Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed...
How could you possibly know that? Slef E. > - Original Message - > From: "Terry Pellman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:10 AM > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed... > > > > > While you may not like him, Perkins would have put another trophy in our > case. __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed...
<> I'll have to admit, that was a well thought out response. I pray I didn't take you away from anything. T --- "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: "Terry Pellman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed... > While you may not like him, Perkins would have put another trophy in our case. > BULLSHIT !! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. Database of all Bama games ever played and more! Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed...
- Original Message - From: "Terry Pellman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed... > While you may not like him, Perkins would have put another trophy in our case. > BULLSHIT !! __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed...
One other thing...take a minute and compare Oliver and Kines and their tenures/results/stats in their respective seasons here. You won't find a lot of difference. Oliver gets a lot of credit...but a lot of it he doesn't deserve. T --- Steven Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kines was not a good D coorinator the first time and won't be now. For the life of me I can't figure out why CMS would consult Perkins when he still has his dad RTR LC --- Terry Pellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > When Shula got the HC job, his *mentor* on how to > handle operations was Joe Kines. Granted, Oliver > ran a good D, but his ship has long been sunk. Even > with a new AD, sunk. If Kines goes anywhere soon, > it'll be to an *office* position. > > You like the way Shula is handling the HC > job...consider who his advisor is. It's not his > Dad, it's not CMM... > > Now, I don't like the fashion in which a few things > broke down last year...but, the thought/notion it > falls on Kines shoulders? Ain't so. In fact, a lot > of it falls on DuBose/fRan and the type of players > they brought in. > > T > > > --- "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't believe at Brother Bill's age, he is going > to be after the head > coach position any more. His defenses win > championships & that's all I care > about. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tim Boozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of > Oliver? > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Behalf Of Pat Smoot > > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM > > > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama > Athletics Discussion List > > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of > Oliver? > > > > > > > > > I'm still chanting for him & the season hasn't > even started yet. I have > > > zero faith in Kines. > > > > > > > > > > I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but > I'm still straddling the > > fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best > defensive minds ever, but > > I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head > coaching job are totally > > out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula > every chance he got and > > become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would > probably be on the side > of > > "get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake > with the grandkids." > > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to > your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your > subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > _ > TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation > > FREE Registration on TideFans.com: > - > FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com > FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com > FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY > FREE Message Boards: > http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm > > > Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, > recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your > thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. > Database of all Bama games ever played and more! > > Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your > subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net _ TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation FREE Registration on TideFans.com: - FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY FREE Message Boards: http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on fo
Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed...
Perkins had a lot to do with Shula being hired in the first place. I'd say, probably as much influence as anyone. While you may not like him, Perkins would have put another trophy in our case. Shula said, "Kines is the one who prepared me and guided me in my development (still ongoing) as a head coach." Now, tell me this. If that is the case and I have no reason to believe Shula is a liar what logic stands to the notion he needs to be let go or is going to be let go? Quite simply, if there is a transition it'll be with a move of Kines to an ADMIN type position. Fired? It's not going to happen unless something of major proportions happens on the field. --- Steven Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kines was not a good D coorinator the first time and won't be now. For the life of me I can't figure out why CMS would consult Perkins when he still has his dad RTR LC --- Terry Pellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > When Shula got the HC job, his *mentor* on how to > handle operations was Joe Kines. Granted, Oliver > ran a good D, but his ship has long been sunk. Even > with a new AD, sunk. If Kines goes anywhere soon, > it'll be to an *office* position. > > You like the way Shula is handling the HC > job...consider who his advisor is. It's not his > Dad, it's not CMM... > > Now, I don't like the fashion in which a few things > broke down last year...but, the thought/notion it > falls on Kines shoulders? Ain't so. In fact, a lot > of it falls on DuBose/fRan and the type of players > they brought in. > > T > > > --- "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't believe at Brother Bill's age, he is going > to be after the head > coach position any more. His defenses win > championships & that's all I care > about. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tim Boozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of > Oliver? > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Behalf Of Pat Smoot > > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM > > > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama > Athletics Discussion List > > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of > Oliver? > > > > > > > > > I'm still chanting for him & the season hasn't > even started yet. I have > > > zero faith in Kines. > > > > > > > > > > I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but > I'm still straddling the > > fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best > defensive minds ever, but > > I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head > coaching job are totally > > out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula > every chance he got and > > become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would > probably be on the side > of > > "get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake > with the grandkids." > > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to > your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your > subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > _ > TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation > > FREE Registration on TideFans.com: > - > FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com > FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com > FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY > FREE Message Boards: > http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm > > > Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, > recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your > thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. > Database of all Bama games ever played and more! > > Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your > subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net ___
Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed...
IAWTP. - Original Message - From: "Steven Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed... > Kines was not a good D coorinator the first time and > won't be now. For the life of me I can't figure out > why CMS would consult Perkins when he still has his > dad > > RTR > LC > > --- Terry Pellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > When Shula got the HC job, his *mentor* on how to > > handle operations was Joe Kines. Granted, Oliver > > ran a good D, but his ship has long been sunk. Even > > with a new AD, sunk. If Kines goes anywhere soon, > > it'll be to an *office* position. > > > > You like the way Shula is handling the HC > > job...consider who his advisor is. It's not his > > Dad, it's not CMM... > > > > Now, I don't like the fashion in which a few things > > broke down last year...but, the thought/notion it > > falls on Kines shoulders? Ain't so. In fact, a lot > > of it falls on DuBose/fRan and the type of players > > they brought in. > > > > T > > > > > > --- "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't believe at Brother Bill's age, he is going > > to be after the head > > coach position any more. His defenses win > > championships & that's all I care > > about. > > > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Tim Boozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics > > Discussion List" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM > > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of > > Oliver? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Behalf Of Pat Smoot > > > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM > > > > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama > > Athletics Discussion List > > > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of > > Oliver? > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm still chanting for him & the season hasn't > > even started yet. I have > > > > zero faith in Kines. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but > > I'm still straddling the > > > fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best > > defensive minds ever, but > > > I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head > > coaching job are totally > > > out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula > > every chance he got and > > > become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would > > probably be on the side > > of > > > "get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake > > with the grandkids." > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > > Discussion List > > > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to > > your subscription visit > > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > > Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your > > subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > > _ > > TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation > > > > FREE Registration on TideFans.com: > > > - > > FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com > > FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com > > FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY > > FREE Message Boards: > > http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm > > > > > > Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, > > recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your > > thoughts in our message board
Re: [RollTideFan] With Kines, this is what is missed...
Kines was not a good D coorinator the first time and won't be now. For the life of me I can't figure out why CMS would consult Perkins when he still has his dad RTR LC --- Terry Pellman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > When Shula got the HC job, his *mentor* on how to > handle operations was Joe Kines. Granted, Oliver > ran a good D, but his ship has long been sunk. Even > with a new AD, sunk. If Kines goes anywhere soon, > it'll be to an *office* position. > > You like the way Shula is handling the HC > job...consider who his advisor is. It's not his > Dad, it's not CMM... > > Now, I don't like the fashion in which a few things > broke down last year...but, the thought/notion it > falls on Kines shoulders? Ain't so. In fact, a lot > of it falls on DuBose/fRan and the type of players > they brought in. > > T > > > --- "Pat Smoot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't believe at Brother Bill's age, he is going > to be after the head > coach position any more. His defenses win > championships & that's all I care > about. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Tim Boozer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "RollTideFan-The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:38 AM > Subject: RE: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of > Oliver? > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Behalf Of Pat Smoot > > > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:48 AM > > > To: RollTideFan-The University of Alabama > Athletics Discussion List > > > Subject: Re: [RollTideFan] Have we seen last of > Oliver? > > > > > > > > > I'm still chanting for him & the season hasn't > even started yet. I have > > > zero faith in Kines. > > > > > > > > > > I'm with you on the zero faith in Kines part, but > I'm still straddling the > > fence on Oliver. No doubt he is one of the best > defensive minds ever, but > > I'm not sure that his dreams of getting the head > coaching job are totally > > out of his head. He could end up undermining Shula > every chance he got and > > become a cancer on the staff. Right now, I would > probably be on the side > of > > "get rid of Kines and leave Oliver at the lake > with the grandkids." > > > > > > > __ > > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List > > > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to > your subscription visit > http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > > > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your > subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > > > _ > TideFans.com: FREE for the BamaNation > > FREE Registration on TideFans.com: > - > FREE Email Address: http://freemail.TideFans.com > FREE WebSpace: http://signup.TideFans.com > FREE Alabama Newsletter: http://TideFans.com/ALWKLY > FREE Message Boards: > http://TideFans.com/boards/signup.htm > > > Visit TideFans.com for daily updates on football, > recruiting, basketball, baseball, and to share your > thoughts in our message boards and chatrooms. > Database of all Bama games ever played and more! > > Best of all...EVERYTHING'S FREE! > > __ > RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics > Discussion List > > "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" > > To join or leave the list or to make changes to your > subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net > __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ RollTideFan - The University of Alabama Athletics Discussion List "Welcome to RollTideFan! Wear a cup!" To join or leave the list or to make changes to your subscription visit http://listinfo.rolltidefan.net
