Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 03:04:30PM +0200, Nathann Cohen wrote: PS Nathann, this is a *joke*. No offence is intended. It would have been much funnier if you had had one character say We, Scottish sheep, are black. :-) Nicolas -- Nicolas M. Thiéry Isil nthi...@users.sf.net http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 01:56:10PM +0100, John Cremona wrote: But how many is many? Perhaps At least one would be safer. Let's see; I am certain of at least seven. Probably many more :-) Nicolas -- Nicolas M. Thiéry Isil nthi...@users.sf.net http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
On 14 July 2015 at 13:29, Nicolas M. Thiery nicolas.thi...@u-psud.fr wrote: On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 09:59:37PM +0200, Nathann Cohen wrote: We, European devs, have benefited from NSF funding for Sage in numerous occasions (Sage days, visits, ...) when we had no funding here. You are speaking in your own name only. You are not the Europeans Devs, are are not entitled to speak in their name. This is right, there was an ambiguity in my statement. It could, with a pinch of paranoia, be misinterpreted as you suggest. A statement better representing what I meant is: ``Many European devs, including me, have ...'' But how many is many? Perhaps At least one would be safer. Which reminds me of the old joke: John, Nicolas and Nathann are travelling through Scotland on a train when they go past a black sheep in a field. John says Look, all Scottish sheep are black!. Nicolas says No -- I think you mean *some* Scottish sheep are black. Nathann objects and insists on his version: There exists at least one sheep in Scotland and at least one of sides is black. John PS Nathann, this is a *joke*. No offence is intended. Cheers, Nicolas -- Nicolas M. Thiéry Isil nthi...@users.sf.net http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 09:59:37PM +0200, Nathann Cohen wrote: We, European devs, have benefited from NSF funding for Sage in numerous occasions (Sage days, visits, ...) when we had no funding here. You are speaking in your own name only. You are not the Europeans Devs, are are not entitled to speak in their name. This is right, there was an ambiguity in my statement. It could, with a pinch of paranoia, be misinterpreted as you suggest. A statement better representing what I meant is: ``Many European devs, including me, have ...'' Cheers, Nicolas -- Nicolas M. Thiéry Isil nthi...@users.sf.net http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
PS Nathann, this is a *joke*. No offence is intended. It would have been much funnier if you had had one character say We, Scottish sheep, are black. Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
On Sunday, 12 July 2015 20:59:40 UTC+1, Nathann Cohen wrote: We, European devs, have benefited from NSF funding for Sage in numerous occasions (Sage days, visits, ...) when we had no funding here. You are speaking in your own name only. You are not the Europeans Devs, are are not entitled to speak in their name. Nicolas did not put 'the' after 'we'; do not twist his words please. What he wrote is a correct statement. Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
On Monday, 13 July 2015 08:11:45 UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: On Sunday, 12 July 2015 20:59:40 UTC+1, Nathann Cohen wrote: We, European devs, have benefited from NSF funding for Sage in numerous occasions (Sage days, visits, ...) when we had no funding here. You are speaking in your own name only. You are not the Europeans Devs, are are not entitled to speak in their name. Nicolas did not put 'the' after 'we'; do not twist his words please. What he wrote is a correct statement. and, by the way, Nathann, you do use Sage code that was developed with NFS funding, and thus benefit from it, so your point is really, really moot... Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
Nicolas did not put 'the' after 'we'; do not twist his words please. What he wrote is a correct statement. You are amazing, guys. Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
there were unconfirmed reports of an 1-person demonstration in front of the US Embassy in Paris, with a banner saying Sage Days are a waste of US taxpayer's money! Stop them now! Don't trust anybody who claims to have seen me in Paris. They are liars. Though on the other hand that would prove one point: that anybody can voice his/her own opinion, and yet be heard. There is no need of indirect representation here as everybody can post freely, and so I do not want to be made to talk against my will, encompassed in the set of european developers, developers of combinatorics code, or whatever may come next. I do not trust representatives (least of all self-appointed), and with good reasons. I would be surprised if most of you did (*). Have fun, Nathann (*) In France they believe that the people wants to be monitored US-style, nowadays. Who wouldn't? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
We, European devs, have benefited from NSF funding for Sage in numerous occasions (Sage days, visits, ...) when we had no funding here. You are speaking in your own name only. You are not the Europeans Devs, are are not entitled to speak in their name. Nathann -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
On Thu, Jul 09, 2015 at 04:44:20PM -0700, Fernando Perez wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:17 AM, William Stein [1]wst...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, for me personally and SageMathCloud development, and also support of Sage development at UW, this is a major blow. All I can say is that I'm very bummed to hear this... I always admired your success in securing resources for Sage (with a bit of envy :) when I wasn't able to do so for IPython, and I only wish that today we could have resources for *both*. I tried to learn a lot from watching everything you did with looking for resources for Sage, and FWIW, I also haven't had great luck with the federal agencies. My only success with the NSF has been with stuff that's only tangentially related to ipython/scipy, whereas grants where i went head first into the software (even solicitations that were software infrastructure didn't fare so well). This is a cautionary note that, even though IPython and ODK are doing OK right now, the next cycle may well look very different for us too... Grant funding is a fickle business, which is why I continue wishing SMC sustained commercial success, so that it can have actual *revenue* to invest in Sage itself for the long haul. The question of how to fund our work in a sustainable fashion for the really long haul, as our teams get larger (and thus more expensive) keeps me up at night... All I can say at this point is that I hope the work we'll do on Jupyter, and indirectly with our colleagues at ODK (we'll have some of the Jupyter folks there too) will continue providing benefits to Sage! +1 to each and every item above. We, European devs, have benefited from NSF funding for Sage in numerous occasions (Sage days, visits, ...) when we had no funding here. We will do our best to reciprocate this with ODK. For the longer run, a strategy I will explore in depth will be to try to secure some *permanent* full time dev position(s), typically at LRI. I have no clue of the odds though, so don't hold your breath. Cheers, Nicolas -- Nicolas M. Thiéry Isil nthi...@users.sf.net http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
We, European devs, have benefited from NSF funding for Sage in numerous occasions (Sage days, visits, ...) when we had no funding here. You are speaking in your own name only. You are not the Europeans Devs, are are not entitled to speak in their name. Indeed. However, presumably Nicolas intended to convey that since he is part of the we of all European devs, and since it is very true that many European devs (including ones with no connection whatsoever to sage-combinat or graphs or any of that) have benefited from NSF in such ways, the statement is still true. Perhaps it could have been worded in a way to make it very clear that he did not intend to speak for all of them, though again I doubt that was the intent. Happy week! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
On 8 July 2015 18:17, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: I now have absolutely no NSF funding at all to support any Sage-related (or other) activities anymore. This is the third Sage-related NSF grant proposal I've been on that was rejected in a row. Anyway, for me personally and SageMathCloud development, and also support of Sage development at UW, this is a major blow. Do you have any feedback as to why your projects were not funded? Dr David Kirkby Managing Director Kirkby Microwave Ltd Registered office: Stokes Hall Lodge, Burnham Rd, Chelmsford, Essex, CM3 6DT, United Kingdom Registered in England and Wales as company number 08914892 http://www.kirkbymicrowave.co.uk/ Tel 07910 441670 / +44 7910 441670 (0900-2100 GMT) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 10:17 AM, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Anyway, for me personally and SageMathCloud development, and also support of Sage development at UW, this is a major blow. All I can say is that I'm very bummed to hear this... I always admired your success in securing resources for Sage (with a bit of envy :) when I wasn't able to do so for IPython, and I only wish that today we could have resources for *both*. I tried to learn a lot from watching everything you did with looking for resources for Sage, and FWIW, I also haven't had great luck with the federal agencies. My only success with the NSF has been with stuff that's only tangentially related to ipython/scipy, whereas grants where i went head first into the software (even solicitations that were software infrastructure didn't fare so well). This is a cautionary note that, even though IPython and ODK are doing OK right now, the next cycle may well look very different for us too... Grant funding is a fickle business, which is why I continue wishing SMC sustained commercial success, so that it can have actual *revenue* to invest in Sage itself for the long haul. The question of how to fund our work in a sustainable fashion for the really long haul, as our teams get larger (and thus more expensive) keeps me up at night... All I can say at this point is that I hope the work we'll do on Jupyter, and indirectly with our colleagues at ODK (we'll have some of the Jupyter folks there too) will continue providing benefits to Sage! Cheers, f -- Fernando Perez (@fperez_org; http://fperez.org) fperez.net-at-gmail: mailing lists only (I ignore this when swamped!) fernando.perez-at-berkeley: contact me here for any direct mail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[sage-devel] Announcing $0M in new funding for the SageMathCloud over the next 3 years
Hi, There have been several recent announcements of funding for Sage/Python related projects: - IPython -- Announcing $6M in new funding for the project over the next 3 years (from Sloane, etc.) - OpenDreamKit -- 8.4M A group of Sage developers applied to NSF for $1.7M for open textbooks and a lot of SageMathCloud related development. Today we found out that this proposal was denied (again). I now have absolutely no NSF funding at all to support any Sage-related (or other) activities anymore. This is the third Sage-related NSF grant proposal I've been on that was rejected in a row. Anyway, for me personally and SageMathCloud development, and also support of Sage development at UW, this is a major blow. -- William (http://wstein.org) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
