[sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud-internal] William Stein says Sage has overall failed
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Harald Schilly harald.schi...@gmail.com wrote: Surprisingly, sometimes Reddit contains actual discussions: http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/2e3qla/william_stein_says_sage_has_overall_failed/ I just read through it. It might be one reason that there were over 250 new SageMathCloud accounts in the last 24 hours, but that might also be partly due to the new semester/quarter. Thanks to all the knowledgable Sage contributors that answered questions in that thread. The title they gave it -- 'William Stein says Sage has overall failed' -- seems a bit sensational. I think that if people read the blog post they will see that I don't mean that the enormous effort that people like Volker, Jereon, etc., are doing, isn't a fantastic job. I'm measuring progress specifically in terms of the original mission statement. -- William -- H -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-cloud-internal group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-cloud-internal+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-cloud-internal. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org wst...@uw.edu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud-internal] William Stein says Sage has overall failed
The title they gave it -- 'William Stein says Sage has overall failed' -- seems a bit sensational. I think that if people read the blog post they will see that I don't mean that the enormous effort that people like Volker, Jereon, etc., are doing, isn't a fantastic job. I'm measuring progress specifically in terms of the original mission statement. To be fair, you did kind of invite that interpretation with a somewhat dramatic line like that. Sage clearly IS a viable alternative, and basically is a replacement at the undergraduate level. It is not a replacement for everything - perhaps we need a jump like the combinat and matroid crowds did in arithmetic geometry? But neither are they replacements for Sage at this point, right, in many areas? Again, Sage is a viable alternative even for Matlab. It's not as good for this as Octave, apparently, and no third-party support etc. - but some people do use it, or they wouldn't be asking for help. So I think that it would have been better to say that the statement that has failed is a viable *replacement* for all four M's. Well, that would be a hard goal indeed! For precisely the reasons you give. I don't think that makes Sage a failure, it just makes it different. Presumably Maple and Mathematica are not replacements for each other either. - kcrisman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud-internal] William Stein says Sage has overall failed
2014-2015 will be a big year for Sage i think, with SMC leading the charge, now that SMC in particular has matured alot. From personal everyday experience i know that the idea of being able to make a free account and have access to a more mathematically substantial/capable version of Wolfram Alpha ,where you can log in and save things, would be popular once school starts. Its annoying for students (including myself) trying to do something on wolfram alpha, but you cant because your only allowed to use the non-paid gimped version, unless you subscribe to become a pro member ($$$). A lot more that could be said, but just some quick thoughts. On Thursday, August 21, 2014 6:32:03 AM UTC-7, kcrisman wrote: The title they gave it -- 'William Stein says Sage has overall failed' -- seems a bit sensational. I think that if people read the blog post they will see that I don't mean that the enormous effort that people like Volker, Jereon, etc., are doing, isn't a fantastic job. I'm measuring progress specifically in terms of the original mission statement. To be fair, you did kind of invite that interpretation with a somewhat dramatic line like that. Sage clearly IS a viable alternative, and basically is a replacement at the undergraduate level. It is not a replacement for everything - perhaps we need a jump like the combinat and matroid crowds did in arithmetic geometry? But neither are they replacements for Sage at this point, right, in many areas? Again, Sage is a viable alternative even for Matlab. It's not as good for this as Octave, apparently, and no third-party support etc. - but some people do use it, or they wouldn't be asking for help. So I think that it would have been better to say that the statement that has failed is a viable *replacement* for all four M's. Well, that would be a hard goal indeed! For precisely the reasons you give. I don't think that makes Sage a failure, it just makes it different. Presumably Maple and Mathematica are not replacements for each other either. - kcrisman -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[sage-devel] Re: [sage-cloud-internal] William Stein says Sage has overall failed
Hi William, From my point of view Sage definitely has *not* failed! I would not be able to do the computations I need for my research on any other platform at this point (of course this could be possibly done, but with an enormous effort). More and more people are interested in switching to Sage at least people with a focus in combinatorics, representation theory, root systems, and are offering to organize Sage Days to learn and start using and contributing to Sage. In fact, we just concluded Sage Days in India and there were people interested in a variety of topics. From this point of view, Sage has gone far beyond any other mathematical software system I know! Best, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups sage-devel group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
