[sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
Hi all, I finally could verify that the patch at trac 12161 is good, i.e. heals not only the original problem for OS X 10.7, but the _PyUnicodeUCS4_AsUTF8String incarnation, too (at least on one of my own OS X 10.6 installations --- try starting a Sage app after (closing all Sage and all terminal sessions, and) nuking/ removing .sage, *and* do so on a system that boots up in 64bit mode, i.e. by pressing 6 and 4 during startup --- but maybe the computer just has to be young enough so that the OS X 10.6/10.7 installs something different than on older ones, which would be 64bit capable, but Apple does boot them only in 32bit mode; see http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3773 and http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3770). Anyway, would it make sense now to upload some official update of the OS X 10.6 app (with only the trac 12161 patch as delta to the original one currently in the download area)? Cheers, Georg -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
On Feb 21, 6:20 pm, Georg S. Weber georgswe...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi all, I finally could verify that the patch at trac 12161 is good, i.e. heals not only the original problem for OS X 10.7, but the _PyUnicodeUCS4_AsUTF8String incarnation, too (at least on one of my own OS X 10.6 installations --- try starting a Sage app after (closing all Sage and all terminal sessions, and) nuking/ removing .sage, *and* do so on a system that boots up in 64bit mode, i.e. by pressing 6 and 4 during startup --- but maybe the computer just has to be young enough so that the OS X 10.6/10.7 installs something different than on older ones, which would be 64bit capable, but Apple does boot them only in 32bit mode; seehttp://support.apple.com/kb/HT3773and http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3770). Anyway, would it make sense now to upload some official update of the OS X 10.6 app (with only the trac 12161 patch as delta to the original one currently in the download area)? Unless 5.0 is coming within a week (and given the status of http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12024 and http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/11881, that seems highly unlikely), I think this is a VERY good idea. As I've said before, my own laptop has something weird with a missing libtiff or something, so I am reluctant to do it, but hopefully anyone else could? Or the buildbot? And if someone can make Sage 4.8 binaries for Intel 10.4 and 10.5, that would be even better :) -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
Excellent. That's the first confirmation I've had from someone with the problem that it really was #12161. I'm cc-ing sage-devel to let them know it worked. -Ivan On Feb 10, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Michael E O'Sullivan wrote: Brilliant! I restarted terminal and MAC043:~ instructor$ /Applications/sage/sage -- | Sage Version 4.8, Release Date: 2012-01-20 | | Type notebook() for the GUI, and license() for information.| -- The Sage installation tree may have moved (from /Users/buildbot/build/sage/bsd-1/bsd_64_binary/build/sage-4.8 to /Applications/sage). Changing various hardcoded paths... (Please wait at most a few minutes.) DO NOT INTERRUPT THIS. Done resetting paths. Setting permissions of DOT_SAGE directory so only you can read and write it. sage: F.a = GF(16) sage: a^5 a^2 + a Thank you! Mike Michael E O'Sullivan Professor of Mathematics San Diego State University mosul...@math.sdsu.edu 619 594-6697 -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
On Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:12:22 AM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: as a courtesy to the new users, one at least should put a big warning on the download page of this buggy download (*mirrorsname*/sage/osx/intel/index.html) And tell them to use the Terminal (i.e. non '-app' file) version for the time being. Hi, thx for CCing me. Should I remove the -app files from osx/intel or put a warning note there? If yes, what warning? greetings Harald -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
Hi Harald, On 8 February 2012 19:00, Harald Schilly harald.schi...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:12:22 AM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: as a courtesy to the new users, one at least should put a big warning on the download page of this buggy download (*mirrorsname*/sage/osx/intel/index.html) And tell them to use the Terminal (i.e. non '-app' file) version for the time being. Hi, thx for CCing me. Should I remove the -app files from osx/intel or put a warning note there? If yes, what warning? It has come to our attention recently that on MacOSX computers, where Sage has never been installed before, the `-app` version of Sage might fail to start. We apologize for the inconvenience. While we are working on a fix for this problem, please use the non-`-app` version of Sage. Something like this... Dima greetings Harald -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
On Wednesday, February 8, 2012 1:18:35 PM UTC+1, Dima Pasechnik wrote: Something like this... thx. done! -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
Hi, I just got yet another (almost daily now) bug report about our OS X binaries being complete crap. This time from a Fields Medalist! So why don't we deal with this? The traceback he sent me is exactly the same as the one that started this thread.This is really stupid. -- William On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Ivan Andrus darthand...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW you should be able to work around the problem by opening Terminal.app before starting sage. At least if it's the manifestation of the problem that I think it is. -Ivan On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Mike OS wrote: Just corroborating. I encountered the same problem this week installing sage for the first time on a laptop running 10.6.8. I had no problem installing on a imac running 10.6.8 that already had an older copy of sage. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
I'm fairly certain #11881 (which still needs review) will solve the problem. At least the most common problem. Has anyone tried the work around I mentioned below? -Ivan On Feb 7, 2012, at 8:34 PM, William Stein wrote: Hi, I just got yet another (almost daily now) bug report about our OS X binaries being complete crap. This time from a Fields Medalist! So why don't we deal with this? The traceback he sent me is exactly the same as the one that started this thread.This is really stupid. -- William On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Ivan Andrus darthand...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW you should be able to work around the problem by opening Terminal.app before starting sage. At least if it's the manifestation of the problem that I think it is. -Ivan On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Mike OS wrote: Just corroborating. I encountered the same problem this week installing sage for the first time on a laptop running 10.6.8. I had no problem installing on a imac running 10.6.8 that already had an older copy of sage. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
On Wednesday, February 8, 2012 3:34:38 AM UTC+8, William wrote: Hi, I just got yet another (almost daily now) bug report about our OS X binaries being complete crap. This time from a Fields Medalist! So why don't we deal with this? The traceback he sent me is exactly the same as the one that started this thread.This is really stupid. as a courtesy to the new users, one at least should put a big warning on the download page of this buggy download (*mirrorsname*/sage/osx/intel/index.html) And tell them to use the Terminal (i.e. non '-app' file) version for the time being. Otherwise it indeed alienates a lot of people :-( Dima -- William On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Ivan Andrus wrote: FWIW you should be able to work around the problem by opening Terminal.app before starting sage. At least if it's the manifestation of the problem that I think it is. -Ivan On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Mike OS wrote: Just corroborating. I encountered the same problem this week installing sage for the first time on a laptop running 10.6.8. I had no problem installing on a imac running 10.6.8 that already had an older copy of sage. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
On 2/7/12 4:28 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: I'm fairly certain #11881 (which still needs review) will solve the problem. At least the most common problem. Do you, by chance, mean http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12161 #11881 is a huge ticket with lots of patches. Thanks, Jason Has anyone tried the work around I mentioned below? -Ivan On Feb 7, 2012, at 8:34 PM, William Stein wrote: Hi, I just got yet another (almost daily now) bug report about our OS X binaries being complete crap. This time from a Fields Medalist! So why don't we deal with this? The traceback he sent me is exactly the same as the one that started this thread.This is really stupid. -- William On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Ivan Andrusdarthand...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW you should be able to work around the problem by opening Terminal.app before starting sage. At least if it's the manifestation of the problem that I think it is. -Ivan On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Mike OS wrote: Just corroborating. I encountered the same problem this week installing sage for the first time on a laptop running 10.6.8. I had no problem installing on a imac running 10.6.8 that already had an older copy of sage. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
On Feb 7, 2:34 pm, William Stein wst...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I just got yet another (almost daily now) bug report about our OS X binaries being complete crap. This time from a Fields Medalist! So why don't we deal with this? William, on a related note, have all the people who used your 4.8.alpha3 or whatever custom binary successfully people who would now have a .sage directory (after having unsuccessfully used the regular binary)? And I assume this is using the app bundle that caused the problem, correct? If there is something wrong with the buildbot one, we could just create a custom one (I wouldn't, because I don't have libtiff or something so those files in plot/plot3d/base.pyx fail tests) on a machine we know does work. Georg makes it sound like one could test #12161 as being the problem by removing/renaming the .sage directory and then starting up the app bundle and seeing if this fixes the problem. Am I reading this right? If I find a little time I may yet try this tonight, since ... The traceback he sent me is exactly the same as the one that started this thread. This is really stupid. ... you are right about that. Maybe Harald could remove/hide the app bundles for the time being, though that's a drastic move. I wonder if one of our Python updates (certainly not the 2.7 one, of course) was to blame... -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
If I find a little time I may yet try this tonight, since ... I can't reproduce this even if I do mv .sage/ .oldsage with the sketchy binary in question. It must be highly dependent on a lot of stuff :( sorry. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 8:11 PM, kcrisman kcris...@gmail.com wrote: If I find a little time I may yet try this tonight, since ... I can't reproduce this even if I do mv .sage/ .oldsage with the sketchy binary in question. It must be highly dependent on a lot of stuff :( sorry. Yes, I've never replicated this on any of my own computers either. It just happens on important people around me at the worst moment. Really annoying. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
On Feb 8, 2012, at 1:18 AM, Jason Grout wrote: On 2/7/12 4:28 PM, Ivan Andrus wrote: I'm fairly certain #11881 (which still needs review) will solve the problem. At least the most common problem. Do you, by chance, mean http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12161 #11881 is a huge ticket with lots of patches. Thanks, Jason Err, yes of course. Sorry for the confusion. -Ivan Has anyone tried the work around I mentioned below? -Ivan On Feb 7, 2012, at 8:34 PM, William Stein wrote: Hi, I just got yet another (almost daily now) bug report about our OS X binaries being complete crap. This time from a Fields Medalist! So why don't we deal with this? The traceback he sent me is exactly the same as the one that started this thread.This is really stupid. -- William On Sun, Feb 5, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Ivan Andrusdarthand...@gmail.com wrote: FWIW you should be able to work around the problem by opening Terminal.app before starting sage. At least if it's the manifestation of the problem that I think it is. -Ivan On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Mike OS wrote: Just corroborating. I encountered the same problem this week installing sage for the first time on a laptop running 10.6.8. I had no problem installing on a imac running 10.6.8 that already had an older copy of sage. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
FWIW you should be able to work around the problem by opening Terminal.app before starting sage. At least if it's the manifestation of the problem that I think it is. -Ivan On Feb 4, 2012, at 7:52 PM, Mike OS wrote: Just corroborating. I encountered the same problem this week installing sage for the first time on a laptop running 10.6.8. I had no problem installing on a imac running 10.6.8 that already had an older copy of sage. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
Just corroborating. I encountered the same problem this week installing sage for the first time on a laptop running 10.6.8. I had no problem installing on a imac running 10.6.8 that already had an older copy of sage. -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
[sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
Hi, interesting. I have the faint hope that the fix at http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12161 (which I hope to review this weekend --- it requires building twice a Sage app on OS X 10.6, and then test these on OS X 10.7) will also cure this. Even though this new report is on OS X 10.6! Reasoning: The underlying problem fixed by the patch at #12161 was, that a system python binary (/usr/bin/python) was called, instead of the python binary that comes with Sage. According to some web quick searches, _PyUnicodeUCS4_AsUTF8String is encountered when trying to import Python extensions into Python binaries which are slightly incompatible with each other (the difference being about the idea of how to represent Unicode, as UCS2 or UCS4) ... The #12161 problem was so difficult to track because it hurts only on systems that *never* had a Sage installed on it, more precisily that are missing the .sage subdirectory under their user's home directory. I remember that in the past, we had problems because nobody had tried to test whether relocatability still works. I'm not quite sure how many regular build/regression tests we currently run (except for mere building and doctesting), and if some relocatability test is among these (this just can't be easily doctested for obvious reasons). Maybe it would be a good idea to also test Sage rc releases in environments, where .sage has been removed (for each major platform) --- there may be many other issues, with matplotlib, gap, and any of the other components that write (or only look) under .sage. (Testing this also is pretty hard to do by the doctesing framework, I presume). Cheers, Georg -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
Re: [sage-devel] Re: Are the Sage binaries for OS X are crap?
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:53 AM, Georg S. Weber georgswe...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, interesting. I have the faint hope that the fix at http://trac.sagemath.org/sage_trac/ticket/12161 (which I hope to review this weekend --- it requires building twice a Sage app on OS X 10.6, and then test these on OS X 10.7) will also cure this. Even though this new report is on OS X 10.6! Reasoning: The underlying problem fixed by the patch at #12161 was, that a system python binary (/usr/bin/python) was called, instead of the python binary that comes with Sage. According to some web quick searches, _PyUnicodeUCS4_AsUTF8String is encountered when trying to import Python extensions into Python binaries which are slightly incompatible with each other (the difference being about the idea of how to represent Unicode, as UCS2 or UCS4) ... The #12161 problem was so difficult to track because it hurts only on systems that *never* had a Sage installed on it, more precisily that are missing the .sage subdirectory under their user's home directory. I remember that in the past, we had problems because nobody had tried to test whether relocatability still works. I'm not quite sure how many regular build/regression tests we currently run (except for mere building and doctesting), and if some relocatability test is among these (this just can't be easily doctested for obvious reasons). Maybe it would be a good idea to also test Sage rc releases in environments, where .sage has been removed (for each major platform) --- there may be many other issues, with matplotlib, gap, and any of the other components that write (or only look) under .sage. (Testing this also is pretty hard to do by the doctesing framework, I presume). Very interesting!! In fact, every single case of this bug that I've seen (and there have been at least three) was on a system in which Sage had never successfully been run before, ever. This is, of course, exactly the sort of user that we do not want to alienate with our binaries. For all I know, that are hundreds of such people now who have hit this (I sure hope not, but I am not optimistic). -- William Cheers, Georg -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org -- William Stein Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://wstein.org -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-devel URL: http://www.sagemath.org
