[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
On 8/10/07, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > William wrote: > > > From the guy who started this thread: > > - > > David Collierto me > > > > Hello William, > > > > Now that's what I call a response! Thank you. > > > > I'll take a look at Sage and give you some feedback. I am looking for a way > > to contribute to the school, maybe this is an appropriate tool. > > Any chance we can see the response you sent to David Collier? It must > have been exceptional. Actually you guys wrote the response. All I did was forward his email to the list, collect the about 8 or 9 responses, then forward them all back to him as a single email. I didn't actually write anything really. William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
William wrote: > From the guy who started this thread: > - > David Collierto me > > Hello William, > > Now that's what I call a response! Thank you. > > I'll take a look at Sage and give you some feedback. I am looking for a way > to contribute to the school, maybe this is an appropriate tool. Any chance we can see the response you sent to David Collier? It must have been exceptional. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
>From the guy who started this thread: - David Collierto me Hello William, Now that's what I call a response! Thank you. I'll take a look at Sage and give you some feedback. I am looking for a way to contribute to the school, maybe this is an appropriate tool. DRC On 8/10/07, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/9/07, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > E.g., sage-edu, sage-youth, sage-newbie, etc. > > > > I think that Timothy is correct about sage-edu being too general and > > sage-youth might make older beginners feel that the group is not for > > them. > > > > I personally like sage-newbie and I can't think of a better name than this. > > Since the list is entirely you're idea, you should get to choose the name, so > "sage-newbie" it is!. Interested people can sign up here: > http://groups.google.com/group/sage-newbie > > Ted, as soon as you sign up, I'll add you as a moderator. > As moderators, I think we should very strongly encourage > a spirit of "no question is too elementary -- and there is no > bad question" in this particularly list. We should really make > sure it is as friendly as possible even to the most naive questions. > > -- William > -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://www.williamstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
On 8/9/07, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > E.g., sage-edu, sage-youth, sage-newbie, etc. > > I think that Timothy is correct about sage-edu being too general and > sage-youth might make older beginners feel that the group is not for > them. > > I personally like sage-newbie and I can't think of a better name than this. Since the list is entirely you're idea, you should get to choose the name, so "sage-newbie" it is!. Interested people can sign up here: http://groups.google.com/group/sage-newbie Ted, as soon as you sign up, I'll add you as a moderator. As moderators, I think we should very strongly encourage a spirit of "no question is too elementary -- and there is no bad question" in this particularly list. We should really make sure it is as friendly as possible even to the most naive questions. -- William --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
David wrote: > Good ideas, I think. I'd like more high school math (drawing triangles etc, > lots of trig and algebra exercises) included. What I had in mind was something a bit more aggressive than this :-) The beginner's book is designed to give the reader the fundamental skills needed use Sage effectively at a moderate level of ability. As soon as the beginner's book is finished, however, my plan is to immediately follow it with a copyleft Fundamental Mathematics book which is designed from the ground-up to leverage Sage. This book can include all of the subjects you mentioned. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
Martin wrote: > wasn't the list supposed to focus on highschool math and SAGE? I'd prefer > sage-highschool in that case. My idea was to help CAS/Sage beginners no matter how old they are. I mentioned using high school students for the beta testing because we already have one that needs help and I think we could easily find more :-) Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
On Thursday 09 August 2007, Ted Kosan wrote: > William wrote: > > Please do. The hardest thing is choosing a name. Could both you > > and Timoth Clemans suggest some possibilities? > > > > E.g., sage-edu, sage-youth, sage-newbie, etc. > > I think that Timothy is correct about sage-edu being too general and > sage-youth might make older beginners feel that the group is not for > them. > > I personally like sage-newbie and I can't think of a better name than this. > > Ted Hi there, wasn't the list supposed to focus on highschool math and SAGE? I'd prefer sage-highschool in that case. Martin -- name: Martin Albrecht _pgp: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x8EF0DC99 _www: http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~malb _jab: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
William wrote: > Please do. The hardest thing is choosing a name. Could both you > and Timoth Clemans suggest some possibilities? > > E.g., sage-edu, sage-youth, sage-newbie, etc. I think that Timothy is correct about sage-edu being too general and sage-youth might make older beginners feel that the group is not for them. I personally like sage-newbie and I can't think of a better name than this. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
sage-highschool since sage edu in general means calculus and upper undergrad and grad level On 8/9/07, Timothy Clemans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Good ideas, I think. I'd like more high school math (drawing triangles etc, > > lots of trig and algebra exercises) included. > > SymPy has a geometry module. It is being written as apart of one of > Summer of Code people for his project. I don't know if it will include > a function for calculating circle circle intersections. > > http://sympy.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/sympy/geometry/ > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
> Good ideas, I think. I'd like more high school math (drawing triangles etc, > lots of trig and algebra exercises) included. SymPy has a geometry module. It is being written as apart of one of Summer of Code people for his project. I don't know if it will include a function for calculating circle circle intersections. http://sympy.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/sympy/geometry/ --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
On 8/9/07, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I propose that a 3rd experimental Sage google group be created for CAS > beginners like this student and that the beginner's book be used as > its focus. I will volunteer to help run the group. Please do. The hardest thing is choosing a name. Could both you and Timoth Clemans suggest some possibilities? E.g., sage-edu, sage-youth, sage-newbie, etc. -- William > > Invite this student to join the group along with some other high > school students who are interested in learning Sage. These students > can then put the book through beta testing so that the bugs can be > worked out of it. > > If the beta test indicates that this approach works, make the group permanent. > > What do people think? > > Ted > > > > -- William Stein Associate Professor of Mathematics University of Washington http://www.williamstein.org --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
On 8/9/07, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > William, > > This is exactly the kind of student that I had in mind in my response > to your marketing email. He is fairly good with computers but not so > good with math for various reasons and there are hundreds of thousands > of these type of students in the world. > > My opinion is that Sage definitely is appropriate for a beginner if > they are introduced to it in the right way. My Sage beginner's > tutorial has turned into a Sage Beginner's book and I think I can have > a useable version of it ready soon. > > The book takes a ground-up approach to teaching Sage ant it only > assumes that the reader understands arithmetic and some beginning > algebra as a prerequisite. Here is a link to the current version of > the book if anyone wants to take a look at it: > > http://206.21.94.60/tmp/sage_beginners_book_v.30_alpha.pdf > > I propose that a 3rd experimental Sage google group be created for CAS > beginners like this student and that the beginner's book be used as > its focus. I will volunteer to help run the group. Please add me to the group too. > > Invite this student to join the group along with some other high > school students who are interested in learning Sage. These students > can then put the book through beta testing so that the bugs can be > worked out of it. > > If the beta test indicates that this approach works, make the group permanent. > > What do people think? Good ideas, I think. I'd like more high school math (drawing triangles etc, lots of trig and algebra exercises) included. > > Ted > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
Timothy wrote:
> I am a high school student. "SAGE Beginners Book" seems to be more
> about computation in general than how to use SAGE to explore
> mathematics and get help on math homework.
Computation in general is deeply ingrained into the fabric of Sage and
therefore Sage users need to have a solid understanding of it. As
William indicated in the slides he posted recently, knowing how to
program in Python is an absolute must before using Sage at all. :-)
Since the book is targeted at non-programming beginners, it must teach
them how to program before it can teach them how to use Sage. I have
found that before teaching a person how to program, it helps to
provide them with an explanation of how a computer actually works.
Therefore, the first 20 or so pages of the book provide this
explanation.
They are not going to understand everything they read in these 20
pages because it packs a significant number of subtle concepts into a
small space. As they start working through the "learning how to
program" part of Sage, however, they will be referred back to these 20
pages for the explanations of what is really going on behind the
scenes.
For example, when the book needs to explain what
var('a,b,c,sum,result') is doing, the foundation has already been laid
for this explanation. :-)
Ted
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[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
I am a high school student. "SAGE Beginners Book" seems to be more about computation in general than how to use SAGE to explore mathematics and get help on math homework. I like the idea of a Google Group for discussing SAGE for high-school students. SAGE includes SymPy so a student could play around with equations in pure python from the notebook. We really need a good geometry package because finding to find various intersections and what not without understanding geometry to make cool animations and stuff in SAGE is very hard. On 8/9/07, Ted Kosan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > William, > > This is exactly the kind of student that I had in mind in my response > to your marketing email. He is fairly good with computers but not so > good with math for various reasons and there are hundreds of thousands > of these type of students in the world. > > My opinion is that Sage definitely is appropriate for a beginner if > they are introduced to it in the right way. My Sage beginner's > tutorial has turned into a Sage Beginner's book and I think I can have > a useable version of it ready soon. > > The book takes a ground-up approach to teaching Sage ant it only > assumes that the reader understands arithmetic and some beginning > algebra as a prerequisite. Here is a link to the current version of > the book if anyone wants to take a look at it: > > http://206.21.94.60/tmp/sage_beginners_book_v.30_alpha.pdf > > I propose that a 3rd experimental Sage google group be created for CAS > beginners like this student and that the beginner's book be used as > its focus. I will volunteer to help run the group. > > Invite this student to join the group along with some other high > school students who are interested in learning Sage. These students > can then put the book through beta testing so that the bugs can be > worked out of it. > > If the beta test indicates that this approach works, make the group permanent. > > What do people think? > > Ted > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
William, This is exactly the kind of student that I had in mind in my response to your marketing email. He is fairly good with computers but not so good with math for various reasons and there are hundreds of thousands of these type of students in the world. My opinion is that Sage definitely is appropriate for a beginner if they are introduced to it in the right way. My Sage beginner's tutorial has turned into a Sage Beginner's book and I think I can have a useable version of it ready soon. The book takes a ground-up approach to teaching Sage ant it only assumes that the reader understands arithmetic and some beginning algebra as a prerequisite. Here is a link to the current version of the book if anyone wants to take a look at it: http://206.21.94.60/tmp/sage_beginners_book_v.30_alpha.pdf I propose that a 3rd experimental Sage google group be created for CAS beginners like this student and that the beginner's book be used as its focus. I will volunteer to help run the group. Invite this student to join the group along with some other high school students who are interested in learning Sage. These students can then put the book through beta testing so that the bugs can be worked out of it. If the beta test indicates that this approach works, make the group permanent. What do people think? Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[sage-support] Re: Fwd: Computer Algerbra Systems (not spam)
There are three free public SAGE Notebooks on sage.math. First off one can define equations and inequalities. EXAMPLES: g = 5*x^2 - 3 == 50 h = x + 1 < 30 Second one can plot 2D functions. EXAMPLES: plot(x^2).show() plot(sin(x)).show() Your son could write programs to explore algebra 2 concepts. He would use the Python language. Notebook addresses: sagenb.org sagenb.com https://sage.math.washington.edu:8102 On 8/9/07, William Stein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: David Collier <> > Date: Aug 9, 2007 7:40 AM > Subject: Computer Algerbra Systems > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Hello Professor Stein, > > My son is a junior at Sacred Heart High School in Kingston, MA. He > will be taking Algebra II this year. He is not a great mathematician, > but is very handy with his personal computer. I am looking for a > software program that runs on the Windows operating system that would > allow him to type his homework in "natural" notation. I am hoping the > computer will make the subject a little more interesting. > > I found your name in a Wikipedia article about Sage. Do you think > Sage is the appropriate software for a beginner? > > If you got this far, thanks for reading my note. > > David Collier, Chief Engineer > ACS Telescada Corporation > 35 Corporate Park Drive > Pembroke, MA 02359 > www.telescada.com > www.acsmotion.com > 781-829-9228 > > -- > > This e-mail message and the information it contains are confidential > and are intended solely for the use of the named addressee(s). > Any unauthorized disclosure, use or dissemination, either whole or > partial, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient(s) > of the message, please notify the sender immediately. > > -- > > > -- > William Stein > Associate Professor of Mathematics > University of Washington > http://www.williamstein.org > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ To post to this group, send email to sage-support@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/sage-support URLs: http://sage.math.washington.edu/sage/ and http://sage.scipy.org/sage/ -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
