Re: F16 Combat Pilot download
From: Simon Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Was a bit of a bugger to convert too - took almost an hour! Yah! Hurrah for Simon! Tim
Re: Games
From: Dean Woodyatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >so why not embrace that not bitch about it, chances are EVERYONE on the >group has sam related software that they shouldnt have, so stop being so >bloody hypocritical. I don't. Hmm although I may have bought some software off a certain company who it has been since been suggested may not have been in a position to legally sell it. Which possibly means I'm in receipt of stolen goods. Perhaps I should just turn myself in now ;-) I do wish a "History of the Sam" would come out one day. Does MacD still follow this list? Tim
FW: In response to Andrew
Oh they Care allright ( i had a nice chat with Eidos(own's Domark) after i released my stuff ) , never did with Dma/Sony over lemmings thought. I think it also help me inb the fact that i once worked for Domark after doing Sam Version :) But i won on the contract i had with SamCo/Domark/Me , Basicly the Copyrighted Code for Sam version reverted to me after five years (and beens as it was Hand crafted and not ported) , i could do as i wished. The Gfx was all mine to (Except for the Loading screen done by Neil Holmes). And beens as i was not gaining any money (Hense it can only be sold via a NON PROFIT MAKING COMPANY) , i was in the clear. Lemming could be an interesting one , as Gfx was direct from Dma (touch up/Modified by Doug Holmes) , but beens as Sony(own's psygnosis) holds the contracts (if they are still in force) , or Dma would/have become the full owners by know , but there is no intent to defraud. Or Devaluate a ageing product , infact i hope its helps peeps who want to know how to code or sifted though it and found usefull bits to help peeps on. I have (IMHO) legimently release what is mine ( contract with Fred/Dma/Psygnosis/Samco/Domark expired after five years , with all the Sam code copyright referring to me, and Gfx to the artists & Music to the Musician ), and i have left all copyrights intack (visable) , and i also acknoledge them. All i can say is , 1. If you have no right to release , post , upload then your on your own (i have been over zelious on this from time to time , and peeps have rightly ( but maybe over agressivly ) , Objected. Tip - try saying "I own thoose please remove" - instead of "Who the F**K has upload all copyright material, and then go into atack mode" 2. If you do post/upload copyright material , be prepared to answer why. 3. If you own it do what you like , but be carefull on TM & (R) as they are inforcable for 100's of years 4. Don't try my route , I have just been lucky Nearly the last point for everyone to take note is Ultimate (RARE) , they refuse anyone to release upload/down any of there old titles (some obscure intelli law) , unless its packed in the method they choose (i,e as you would dload it from thier site) , if your found to have unzipped + added or removed anything you have violate their rights and you will be knobled. But , this is the biggy , you can upload/download what you want , till u get caught. Then your into a whole new world , this one saw's in this order 1. Benifit of the doubt , ask them to remove. Also ask how much it's cost you (In Sam's case this is 0.00 + Vat) 2. Failure on above by poster/holder, so seek legal if have Copyright/Tm/R, Else go sulk 3. Failure on above by poster/holder, old bill court , no computers etc etc etc So you all be carefull out there :) C Ps I still am unable to spell correctly, and can be totally not arshed to use M$ spell/gramma checker :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Bloggs Sent: 08 March 2002 22:10 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: In response to Andrew >On Friday 08 Mar 2002 6:36 pm, Andrew Collier wrote: > > Did you read my last post in response to sarcasm?!! It most > > definitely >was > > NOT directed at the copyright holders of old games. > >Then who else *was* it directed at? IF YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THE IRONY OF SUCH A SITUATION, I'M NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN WHAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A LIGHT HEARTED SARCASTIC COMMENT. >"I know - once we've cracked how to get it up and running why don't we >sell it Persona for charity purposes" > > > >Just because you can download games for other systems, doesn't make > > >it legal. You mentioned JetPac, and Ultimate are one of the > > >companies who most viciously protect their old Spectrum games: you > > >didn't find >JetPac > > > at World Of Spectrum. > > > > Correct! I never said I did!!! > >So why should the Sam's copyright-holders let you download their >software, based on the unauthorized and illegal availability of that >particular title? SO WHY DOES CHRIS WHITE DO THIS WITH PRINCE OF PERSIA THEN? > > >I think the point is that people on this list only want to point > > >out download sites which respect the wishes of the copyright owner. > > >If that wish is that some money goes to charity every time somebody > > >gets a >game, > > >then it's their right to say so and you should respect it too. > > > > I would if I knew what games they were referring to! > >ANYTHING which isn't specifically made free, is copyrighted to >somebody. Frankly I'm quite surprised by the number of people who don't >seem to immediately realise this. WE DO REALISE THIS ANDREW, CHECK OUT THE 5,438 GAMES FOR DOWNLOAD AT WORLD OF SPECTRUM AND YOU'LL REALISE THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS DON'T CARE BECAUSE THE COMPUTER IS DEAD AND THE SOFTWARE IS NOT FOR SALE! AS DOES CHRIS WHITE! > > >Persona negotiated with some programmers to get rights to > > >distribute a number of their titles, when the origi
FW: F16 Combat Pilot download
cause the programmer bit of more than he could chew :) 1. didn't have rights to do converstion. But thought would be ok once he had done it while he was out of work 2. found the same to be lacking in grunt (4x Screen data to shift , but close to same MHz of Speccy)) 3. Got a job that paided more money after signing contract with Sam CO C -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fred Bloggs Sent: 08 March 2002 22:31 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: F16 Combat Pilot download Ah well, not bad for a day's work. Now if there was a way of stopping the time out on the demo, it would be perfect. It's just a pity the original was never finished - does anyone know why it was scrapped? >From: "Simon Owen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >To: >Subject: RE: F16 Combat Pilot download >Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 22:17:10 - > >Fred Bloggs wrote: > > What I have noticed is that if you press the SPACE bar it crashes - > > and I can't remember if this a bug from the original demo or not. > > So avoid the space bar!!! > >Heh, so it does! I wonder if that was meant to return to BASIC or >something, but the system area has been trashed by then? > > > > Do you think future versions of Sim Coupe will support the TZX > > format - as I noticed there were several cover tapes each featuring > > SAM software. > >Yeah, I don't see why not, especially as there have now been a couple >of requests for it. How long it'll take to go in is another matter >though! I bet it'll actually end up being more useful for loading >Spectrum tapes than SAM ones too. > > > > What I'm not sure is if some is already available, and therefore > > there wouldn't be much point?!! > >I noticed the comment in the TZX file says "Don't Know If This Works >?", which suggests it's a blind untested conversion of the tape (we'll >find out eventually!). The comment also mentions the file was created >by Andrew Barker, who co-maintains the TZX archive. > >Si > _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
FW: In response to Andrew
Only if he has not sold/copied/gave 1 copy away , after either has happened he owes regardless And if they where bothered , they would sue for each amount they could have made+their charges to Sue So taking the second option is 2 late after you have commited the act , soz . but thats law C -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew J Craven Sent: 08 March 2002 22:30 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: In response to Andrew > >I would either pay up, or I would not use it. Probably the latter, > >but I wouldn't go around mailing lists complaining about how stupid > >they were for excercising their legal rights. > > SO ON NOTE THINK ON HOW NICE IT IS THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY UP! But he would take the latter option! > > > What would you say if Simon Owen charged you for using SIM Coupe? > > > >I'd say "That's a breach of the GPL, Sir". Fortunately he doesn't. > > > WELL DO YOU EVER WONDER WHY HE DOESN'T?!! OR WHY CHRIS PILE DOESN'T > CHARGE FOR DEFENDER? IT'S CALLED GOODWILL, AND LONG MAY IT CONTINUE, > OTHERWISE THERE WON'T BE ANY SCENE LEFT IF SUCH AN ATTITUDE PREVAILED. Well if he did, as Andrew says, it'd be a breach of the GPL. There's nothing wrong with goodwill, but copyrights have to be taken into account. We have to balance the scale. --Matt.
Re: In response to Gavin
> Oh, by the way, Colin - whilst watching the closing credits of So! Graham > Norton last night I noticed there was a certain Colin Piggot (with one T) in > the credits. He was credited for design! Is there something you're not > telling us? Nope i've been asked that before, and it aint me. Colin Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam For all the recent Quazar news, see the new look website: http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/
Re: In response to Gavin
No, I'm not on the SC subber list. Indeed, this is the first I've heard of such a list. When this letter becomes available, could you please post it here so that I know as much as everybody else about is going on? I don't know anything about the original copyright arguments, I'm only going on what I see. I stopped using my SAM years ago when it was relegated to the attic, and have only recently returned to the scene due to Simon Owen's excellent Sim Coupe emulator. I'm now getting the impression that the points I've made recently have been made before. If I knew the history then I wouldn't have started "endless copyright arguments" as you describe. I just hope things will be sorted out soon, and that this great scene doesn't die a death. Oh, by the way, Colin - whilst watching the closing credits of So! Graham Norton last night I noticed there was a certain Colin Piggot (with one T) in the credits. He was credited for design! Is there something you're not telling us? From: "Colin Piggot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: Subject: Re: In response to . Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 14:03:05 - As I am still in touch with Gavin Smith who does Sam Community, i've just been sent a message from him to be posted on here on his behalf: --- Start Paste --- I haven't gone AWOL, I've been sorting things out last few weeks, and discussing a few things with Colin regarding Sam Community (as he seems most interested in actually using a SAM these days). Are you on the SC subber list "Fred Bloggs"? There's a letter going out over the next few days explaining the situation. I'm sorry the Persona titles have been in limbo David (and any others interested), it is being sorted. I don't have a computer at the moment but will in the next few days. If you want to discuss any of this feel free to email me directly. (I tried to post something to this effect a few days ago but it was strangely bounced...) Gavin (sorry for poor formatting/quoting, I'm on mail2web.com at the mo) P.S. Let's not have endless copyright arguements *again*... --- End Paste --- _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: In response to .....
As I am still in touch with Gavin Smith who does Sam Community, i've just been sent a message from him to be posted on here on his behalf: --- Start Paste --- I haven't gone AWOL, I've been sorting things out last few weeks, and discussing a few things with Colin regarding Sam Community (as he seems most interested in actually using a SAM these days). Are you on the SC subber list "Fred Bloggs"? There's a letter going out over the next few days explaining the situation. I'm sorry the Persona titles have been in limbo David (and any others interested), it is being sorted. I don't have a computer at the moment but will in the next few days. If you want to discuss any of this feel free to email me directly. (I tried to post something to this effect a few days ago but it was strangely bounced...) Gavin (sorry for poor formatting/quoting, I'm on mail2web.com at the mo) P.S. Let's not have endless copyright arguements *again*... --- End Paste ---
RE: In response to Fred
Well at least someone agrees with me! Anyway, can't stop, I'm off to play Jetpac(don't tell Andrew). From: "Johnna Teare" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: Subject: RE: In response to Fred Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:38:33 - Groan! So Ledbury is making another pantomime dame exit! (He'll be back, he always is!) The ongoing argument was not unpleasany and I have to stand with FredBloggs on much of it. I'm not saying that we should all get a load of freebies, or that people should be forced to relinquish their stand on copyright, merely that if there was more available SAM software for download, this scene would be much more interested than it is. Instead, we get petty feud's like the one that has developed here over the last two nights. Still, the list gets some action at least! I'm off to play my 'illegal' spectrum cloned atic atac now. Won't answer the door just in case you lot have phoned old Pc plod! Johnna -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Sent: 09 March 2002 00:04 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: In response to Fred - Original Message - From: "Andrew Collier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: Re: In response to Fred > Who the hell are you to say that Persona are wrong to try to raise money > for charity* out of their software? > Thanks Andrew As the company around here is far from pleasent these days - I'm pissing off :( I hope Gavin can get something sorted soon ... otherwise, Colin, please feel free to get the ball rolling if nothing comes by the end of next month. Bye to any real Sam owners... and to any of the Clones hanging on this list! _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com
Re: In response to Andrew
That's my worry too. And as Mr Ledbury sails off into the sunset, Gavin is AWOL, the rest of us are left waiting to discuss the finer points of copyright law! I'm sure we won't be waiting long From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: Subject: Re: In response to Andrew Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:18:49 -0800 From: "Fred Bloggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Persona have acquired copyrights to software not produced by themselves. > They didn't write these - that is the crux of what I'm saying. As I have > written in earlier posts, whilst I agree with them wanting to charge for > titles designed and produced by themselves (as Chris Piggot does) I'm > questioning the charges for software not produced by them. In my humble > opinion, it goes against everything which is great about the emulation > scene. I just have to jump in here and ask: So what? I'm sorry, but copyright *can* and *is* assigned. Just because it's not owned by the original author, doesn't make it any less valid. It is up to the copyright holder to make the decision as to whether or not their material is released into the public domain. If they leave it long enough, that decision will be made for them -- it's a provision in law. The only worry either way that I have is that give it long enough, and the material will be lost or destroyed and disappear forever. *shrugs*. Si _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Re: In response to David
Well before you do, do you mind telling us exactly what titles Persona owns? No-one seems to know! From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: Subject: Re: In response to Fred Date: Sat, 9 Mar 2002 00:03:51 - - Original Message - From: "Andrew Collier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: Re: In response to Fred > Who the hell are you to say that Persona are wrong to try to raise money > for charity* out of their software? > Thanks Andrew As the company around here is far from pleasent these days - I'm pissing off :( I hope Gavin can get something sorted soon ... otherwise, Colin, please feel free to get the ball rolling if nothing comes by the end of next month. Bye to any real Sam owners... and to any of the Clones hanging on this list! _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: F16 Combat Pilot download
Yes, it does seem a little slow on the demo. From: "David" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: Subject: Re: F16 Combat Pilot download Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 23:59:57 - - Original Message - From: "Fred Bloggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: RE: F16 Combat Pilot download > Ah well, not bad for a day's work. > > Now if there was a way of stopping the time out on the demo, it would be > perfect. It's just a pity the original was never finished - does anyone know > why it was scrapped? The programmer wasnt up to the demand of handling the 3d in Mode 4. Although the wireframe lower res one was ok. He was up to the coding challenge in the sense of understanding the 3d mechanism - but both him and SAMCo weren't so impressed with the speed at the time. I did recally seeing a slighltly further through version of the game whilst working at SAMCO- although it was still a long way from completion. Wonder what Colins work with Stratosphere would have done to enspire him? :) _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
RE: In response to democracy.
This is getting crazy now! From: "Raymond Ennifer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: Subject: RE: In response to democracy. Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 23:25:51 - All I'm doing is questioning the inconsistencies which exist here, I'm not making decisions! We live in a democracy Andrew - I'll question what I like. We live in a democracy that has been dictated to us by party policies. Income tax, vehicle road tax, Council tax. How many times do they want us to pay for roads. Here in Lincoln, U.K. we even pay to park outside our homes. The only democratic part of our constitution is we can vote for who we want with no pressure from the government of the day. We cannot pick policies, they are in the manifestos. Manifestos are made by the political parties. We then vote on what is in those manifestos we think are better than the others. No longer democratic. Manifestos should be drawn up after the electorate has spoken, not before. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx
Re: In response to Andrew
From: "Fred Bloggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Persona have acquired copyrights to software not produced by themselves. > They didn't write these - that is the crux of what I'm saying. As I have > written in earlier posts, whilst I agree with them wanting to charge for > titles designed and produced by themselves (as Chris Piggot does) I'm > questioning the charges for software not produced by them. In my humble > opinion, it goes against everything which is great about the emulation > scene. I just have to jump in here and ask: So what? I'm sorry, but copyright *can* and *is* assigned. Just because it's not owned by the original author, doesn't make it any less valid. It is up to the copyright holder to make the decision as to whether or not their material is released into the public domain. If they leave it long enough, that decision will be made for them -- it's a provision in law. The only worry either way that I have is that give it long enough, and the material will be lost or destroyed and disappear forever. *shrugs*. Si
RE: In response to Fred
Groan! So Ledbury is making another pantomime dame exit! (He'll be back, he always is!) The ongoing argument was not unpleasany and I have to stand with FredBloggs on much of it. I'm not saying that we should all get a load of freebies, or that people should be forced to relinquish their stand on copyright, merely that if there was more available SAM software for download, this scene would be much more interested than it is. Instead, we get petty feud's like the one that has developed here over the last two nights. Still, the list gets some action at least! I'm off to play my 'illegal' spectrum cloned atic atac now. Won't answer the door just in case you lot have phoned old Pc plod! Johnna -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Sent: 09 March 2002 00:04 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: In response to Fred - Original Message - From: "Andrew Collier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: Re: In response to Fred > Who the hell are you to say that Persona are wrong to try to raise money > for charity* out of their software? > Thanks Andrew As the company around here is far from pleasent these days - I'm pissing off :( I hope Gavin can get something sorted soon ... otherwise, Colin, please feel free to get the ball rolling if nothing comes by the end of next month. Bye to any real Sam owners... and to any of the Clones hanging on this list!
Re: In response to Fred
- Original Message - From: "Andrew Collier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 10:33 PM Subject: Re: In response to Fred > Who the hell are you to say that Persona are wrong to try to raise money > for charity* out of their software? > Thanks Andrew As the company around here is far from pleasent these days - I'm pissing off :( I hope Gavin can get something sorted soon ... otherwise, Colin, please feel free to get the ball rolling if nothing comes by the end of next month. Bye to any real Sam owners... and to any of the Clones hanging on this list!
Re: F16 Combat Pilot download
- Original Message - From: "Fred Bloggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: RE: F16 Combat Pilot download > Ah well, not bad for a day's work. > > Now if there was a way of stopping the time out on the demo, it would be > perfect. It's just a pity the original was never finished - does anyone know > why it was scrapped? The programmer wasnt up to the demand of handling the 3d in Mode 4. Although the wireframe lower res one was ok. He was up to the coding challenge in the sense of understanding the 3d mechanism - but both him and SAMCo weren't so impressed with the speed at the time. I did recally seeing a slighltly further through version of the game whilst working at SAMCO- although it was still a long way from completion. Wonder what Colins work with Stratosphere would have done to enspire him? :)
Re: Games
- Original Message - From: "Matthew J Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Games > > Nope, the demo wasn't owned by Persona. I can't remember which company > > was working on the F16 game. > > Was it Digital Integration? Yep, being worked on by the programmer of the spectrum version in his spare time...
Re: Games
- Original Message - From: "Fred Bloggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Games > You're missing the point David - and one other question, how much are these > games going to cost when they eventually become available? Surely not the > original price! Just a couple of quid at most
RE: In response to democracy.
All I'm doing is questioning the inconsistencies which exist here, I'm not making decisions! We live in a democracy Andrew - I'll question what I like. We live in a democracy that has been dictated to us by party policies. Income tax, vehicle road tax, Council tax. How many times do they want us to pay for roads. Here in Lincoln, U.K. we even pay to park outside our homes. The only democratic part of our constitution is we can vote for who we want with no pressure from the government of the day. We cannot pick policies, they are in the manifestos. Manifestos are made by the political parties. We then vote on what is in those manifestos we think are better than the others. No longer democratic. Manifestos should be drawn up after the electorate has spoken, not before.
Re: In response to Andrew
On Friday, March 8, 2002, at 10:33 pm, Andrew Collier wrote: SO WHY DOES CHRIS WHITE DO THIS WITH PRINCE OF PERSIA THEN? Because he wrote it, and he wants to. It's his decision to make, not yours. It's not your place to use his decision to put pressure onto anybody else. All I'm doing is questioning the inconsistencies which exist here, I'm not making decisions! We live in a democracy Andrew - I'll question what I like. WELL DO YOU EVER WONDER WHY HE DOESN'T?!! OR WHY CHRIS PILE DOESN'T CHARGE FOR DEFENDER? IT'S CALLED GOODWILL, AND LONG MAY IT CONTINUE, OTHERWISE THERE WON'T BE ANY SCENE LEFT IF SUCH AN ATTITUDE PREVAILED. Who the hell are you to say that Persona are wrong to try to raise money for charity* out of their software? You're missing my point Andrew, I've no objections to those who wrote the titles not wishing them to be distributed. If Chris White had done the same with Prince Of Persia as Ultimate have done with Jetpac then I would've respected that. Persona have acquired copyrights to software not produced by themselves. They didn't write these - that is the crux of what I'm saying. As I have written in earlier posts, whilst I agree with them wanting to charge for titles designed and produced by themselves (as Chris Piggot does) I'm questioning the charges for software not produced by them. In my humble opinion, it goes against everything which is great about the emulation scene. You seem to be getting a little agitated by all this Andrew, so I suggest you read some of my earlier posts before you no doubt respond to this one with questions I've already answered. Life is too short for bickering - we should all be working together here. Today as a result of a few positive e-mails a playable demo of F16 Combat Pilot is now available for download for the benefit of all (yourself included). This is due to the excellent work of Simon Owen in transferring the TZX file to DSK format, following up on an idea by Frode from which I unearthed a link for download purposes. Progress, I think. _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
