Re: Perl 6 just hit

[ToddAndMargo]

On 01/02/2017 01:47 AM, Maarten wrote:
I'll just continue with bash before I start with anything else since I 
just recently started playing around with bash.


Hi Maarten,

I write it both Bash and Perl5.

Bash is wonderful if you are doing a lot of system calls.
Bash relies on other programs to do its heavy lifting.
And it is stripped down, which I find constraining

Perl has unbelievable string capabilities.  System
calls can be a bit tricky, especially when passing quotes

-T

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[ToddAndMargo]

On 01/02/2017 07:16 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote:
I write it 

   in

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Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Maarten]

I'll just continue with bash before I start with anything else since I 
just recently started playing around with bash. Thanks for all the 
responses about my question.


Also Happy New year to everyone on the list and best wishes for 2017 :)



On 2016-12-31 07:38, Steven Haigh wrote:

On 31/12/16 17:12, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:

I'd suggest learning bash first. Many complex perl, python, php, etc.
tools are actually wrappers for a few lines of shell.


Yeah, I was going to suggest this too. Your biggest thing will be
shell scripts - they hold everything together.

There's not much that you can't do in bash - but there are a lot more
things that are much more complex / dedicated that you'd be better off
in a language like perl.

The big thing is learning how to think in logical steps. When to use 
if,

for, while etc etc. Once you've got a grip on the basics, the only real
difference between languages is what specific formatting you give to 
the

options to keep its compiler happy.

bash is something you'll use every day - so its probably easy to deal
with from the start.

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Steven Haigh]

On 31/12/16 17:12, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote:
> I'd suggest learning bash first. Many complex perl, python, php, etc.
> tools are actually wrappers for a few lines of shell.

Yeah, I was going to suggest this too. Your biggest thing will be
shell scripts - they hold everything together.

There's not much that you can't do in bash - but there are a lot more
things that are much more complex / dedicated that you'd be better off
in a language like perl.

The big thing is learning how to think in logical steps. When to use if,
for, while etc etc. Once you've got a grip on the basics, the only real
difference between languages is what specific formatting you give to the
options to keep its compiler happy.

bash is something you'll use every day - so its probably easy to deal
with from the start.

-- 
Steven Haigh

Email: net...@crc.id.au
Web: https://www.crc.id.au
Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897



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Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Jos Vos]

Hi Maarten,

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 10:48:58AM +0100, Maarten wrote:

> Thanks for taking the time to response :) Yes it did help a bit, 
> although it didn't make my choice any easier ;) Since even here people 
> have different opinions about python and perl as in preference. I 
> decided to take Steven Haigh's advice and learn both, that way I can 
> find out for myself which I like better. Is it true of what I've heard, 
> that once you know one language it's easier to learn a second? So say I 
> first learn python, then it would be easier for me to learn perl 
> afterwards or the other way around?

Learning a second language is certainly much easier than a first one,
although I would say you should start to learn programming and not a
specific language, but that's a more philosophical discussion.

Starting with Python is certainly better than starting with Perl from
an educational point of view.

Unless you have a specific need to learn both and/or to use Perl, I do
not see a good reason to take the effort to learn Perl at this moment
as a second language, as they are in the same league.  If you want to
extend your programming skills beyond Python, I would suggest to start
learning C, and maybe even Javascript.  The latter not because it is a
nice language, it is not (although it inherits many things from
Python and Perl), but because it has quite some practical value in the
current era of web and even mobile app development.

But again, all opinions are just mine and YMMV ;-).

-- 
--Jos Vos 
--X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV   |   Office: +31 20 6938364
--Amsterdam, The Netherlands|   Mobile: +31 6 26216181

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[David Sommerseth]

On 30/12/16 08:59, Maarten wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Saw this discussion and found it interesting, got a somewhat half on
> topic question. I've been trying to decide on a language to learn,
> python and perl both stood out. There seems to be various discussions of
> why one is better than the other, and the pro's and con's of both. From
> what I've seen perl has been around longer than python and there are
> plenty of places to ask for help and lots of perl modules to use in your
> code. Python on the other hand seems newer, also has modules(probably
> less than perl), and has quite bit of community around too. However
> lately I've been seeing that there are more python projects than perl,
> making me think python might be the better one to go for. So I am more
> wondering what peoples opinions on this mailing list are when it comes
> to python or perl, that way I can consider the opinion of people who
> have been programming for a while before I make a decision to what I am
> going to do ;)

I've worked with both Perl and Python professionally.  I will not say
that I was very good with Perl, but I could make it work reasonably
well.  But my experience with Python was that I got up-to-speed way
faster than with Perl.

Another thing I like about Python is that it is possible to write hard
core performance needing components in C, which is loaded as Python
modules.  Something similar might be be possible with Perl too, but I
have no experience with it.

With that said, I would write a program depending heavily on processing
text and regex, then I would most likely consider Perl for that project
if I would have time to refresh my Perl skills.  Otherwise I would
choose Python, as it is to me quite easy to get started quickly there.

So to me, Perl vs Python is depending just as much of the needs of a new
project.  Both have merits, but since everything isn't a nail, neither
of them are the uniform hammer which works perfect for all occasions.

With all that said, for most of my use cases, Python have been a
reasonably good alternative.


-- 
kind regards,

David Sommerseth

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Maarten]

Hello Jos,

Thanks for taking the time to response :) Yes it did help a bit, 
although it didn't make my choice any easier ;) Since even here people 
have different opinions about python and perl as in preference. I 
decided to take Steven Haigh's advice and learn both, that way I can 
find out for myself which I like better. Is it true of what I've heard, 
that once you know one language it's easier to learn a second? So say I 
first learn python, then it would be easier for me to learn perl 
afterwards or the other way around?


On 2016-12-30 09:58, Jos Vos wrote:

Hi Maarten,

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 08:59:36AM +0100, Maarten wrote:


Saw this discussion and found it interesting, got a somewhat half on
topic question. I've been trying to decide on a language to learn,
python and perl both stood out. There seems to be various discussions 
of
why one is better than the other, and the pro's and con's of both. 
From

what I've seen perl has been around longer than python and there are
plenty of places to ask for help and lots of perl modules to use in 
your

code. Python on the other hand seems newer, also has modules(probably
less than perl), and has quite bit of community around too. However
lately I've been seeing that there are more python projects than perl,
making me think python might be the better one to go for. So I am more
wondering what peoples opinions on this mailing list are when it comes
to python or perl, that way I can consider the opinion of people who
have been programming for a while before I make a decision to what I 
am

going to do ;)


This is an absolute no-brainer: go for Python.  There are IMHO many
reasons for that, some are subjective, some are objective.  My personal
prediction is that the use of Perl will decrease during the time and
that Perl 6 will never gain a significant "market share" in
programming land.  I think even part of the Perl community "fears" the
same.

See also the TIOBE index (http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/) although
do not consider this table to be a reflection of good taste ;-).

And go for Python 3.  Although Python 2 and 3 are almost compatible
(which Perl 5 and 6 are definitely not, which is part of the problem),
when starting to learn better stay with Python 3 from the beginning.

Because you asked: I've been programming for 30+ years (and using
UNIX for the same amount of time) and have used a large number of
languages (of course including Perl).  Python has become my favorite
language, although for some things I have to switch to C or even JS.

Hope this helps a bit.

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Maarten]

Thanks for all the responses so far! :) It's helping met get a better 
picture of what to go for. I have no programming experience and I've 
just been starting to play around with bash since it looked fun to 
learn. So I'm still learning my way around bash scripting. Well that 
sounds like a good idea to learn both and see which I like better, I 
will still have to pick one to go for first. Cause to me it seems it 
would be confusing to learn two languages at the same time when starting 
to learn a first language, or am I seeing that wrong?


I did buy two books, one on python and one on  perl. Learning Perl(By  
Tom Phoenix Brian D Foy Randal L. Schwartz) and Python for 
Informatics(by Charles Serverance)


On 2016-12-30 10:14, prmari...@gmail.com wrote:

By the way. If you would like I can happily send you a brief reading
list ‎if you want to get started with Perl 5. I just need to know if
you already know any other languages so I can send you the right list.
For example if you are already a C++ programmer you only need to read
1 very short book and a couple of pages on the Perl web site to update
what's changed since it was published. If you don't have programing
experience then the list gets longer

  Original Message  
From: prmari...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 04:04
To: Maarten; SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Perl 6 just hit

Ok well I will try to be unbiased but full disclosure I am a real hard
core Perl programmer and I admittedly am not a huge Python fan.
Both have their good and bad points.
‎
The python philosophy is to enforce good programing practices by
enforcing indentation.‎
‎
The Perl philosophy it there are many ways to do it.‎
‎
A little bit of a primer one of  the biggest motivation of the
original writer of Python was he hated how sloppy Perl programmers
 were and wanted to create a language that enforced what he thought
were good coding practices. By the way any one who disagrees a quick
google search for linux journal articles circa 2001 can back me up
with his own words.

The truth is ‎I've seen good and bad code in both languages. An
enforcing indentation doesn't help especially when the the interpreter
can't tell the difference between a tab and the equivalent number of
spaces on that platform.

Perl got an image Problem thanks to a 2002 April fools joke by Larry
Wall the writer of the language which oddly back fired on him. He
announced Perl 6 was the new Perl engine which would also be able to
run code in a VM in any other language. He also created a code repo
for it. A couple of days later he was shocked to find working code in
the repo. So he rolled with it and started to put together extremely
ambitious specs for Perl 6. Now Perl should have gone through several
major releases since then but because of the lofty goals of Perl 6 it
didn't. That's not to say the language has been static. No Perl 5
program I've written in the last 10 years will not run on a version of
Perl 5 from 2002 or even in most cases a version from 2005. To People
who know the language well what we are calling Perl 6 should probably
be called Perl 9.

As for Python it's become popular and definitely Red Hat's favorite
scripting language. It's got a great following and is used for many
things.

As for modules Perl 5 still has more but many of the are dated, Python
is catching up and it has the benefit of youth and popularity.
For example Amazon AWS has a Python API, but not a Perl API. I've been
debating about writing one my self and in the Perl tradition there are
2 ways I can do it build on LWP (lib WWW Perl) to create a native Perl
module, or take the lazy route by create an "XS" module which wraps
the C API. The advantage of the XS method is I can run a script and
have a clumsy but working module in seconds, then spend a couple of
hours to make it easy to use.

What you will here is Perl is dead, but the truth is most people use
it on a daily basis and don't know it. Perl is still the swiss army
chainsaw of scripting languages.

Honestly for support on learning Python is easier.
With Perl if you can get to the point where you really understand the
power of anonymous references, it's still a very fast and flexible
language.

In conclusion
Either one is good. Learn them both at least superficially. Tinker and
play with them and see which one is right for you.



  Original Message  
From: Maarten
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 03:00
To: SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Perl 6 just hit

Hello,

Saw this discussion and found it interesting, got a somewhat half on
topic question. I've been trying to decide on a language to learn,
python and perl both stood out. There seems to be various discussions 
of

why one is better than the other, and the pro's and con's of both. From
what I've seen perl has been around longer than python and there are
plenty of places to ask for help and lots of perl modules to use in 
your

code. Python on the other hand seems newer

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[prmarino1]

By the way I know for a fact that on their big deployment contracts Cisco does 
not use their own products to manage their switches. They actually use Perl 
scripts.

  Original Message  
From: Steven Haigh
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 04:11
To: scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Perl 6 just hit

On 30/12/16 20:04, prmari...@gmail.com wrote:
> What you will here is Perl is dead, but the truth is most people use it on a 
> daily basis and don't know it. Perl is still the swiss army chainsaw of 
> scripting languages.

If you do an online transaction - somewhere between you and your bank,
you hit a perl script.

It's been said that the next financial crisis will be triggered by a
perl bug.

Even more seriously, stuff that absolutely must work, all the time,
every time and for more than a year at a time is written in perl.

Billion of dollars a month get moved around with perl scripts - and that
won't change anytime soon...

-- 
Steven Haigh

Email: net...@crc.id.au
Web: https://www.crc.id.au
Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[prmarino1]

By the way. If you would like I can happily send you a brief reading list ‎if 
you want to get started with Perl 5. I just need to know if you already know 
any other languages so I can send you the right list. For example if you are 
already a C++ programmer you only need to read 1 very short book and a couple 
of pages on the Perl web site to update what's changed since it was published. 
If you don't have programing experience then the list gets longer

  Original Message  
From: prmari...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 04:04
To: Maarten; SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Perl 6 just hit

Ok well I will try to be unbiased but full disclosure I am a real hard core 
Perl programmer and I admittedly am not a huge Python fan.
Both have their good and bad points.
‎
The python philosophy is to enforce good programing practices by enforcing 
indentation.‎
‎
The Perl philosophy it there are many ways to do it.‎
‎
A little bit of a primer one of  the biggest motivation of the original writer 
of Python was he hated how sloppy Perl programmers  were and wanted to create a 
language that enforced what he thought were good coding practices. By the way 
any one who disagrees a quick google search for linux journal articles circa 
2001 can back me up with his own words.

The truth is ‎I've seen good and bad code in both languages. An enforcing 
indentation doesn't help especially when the the interpreter can't tell the 
difference between a tab and the equivalent number of spaces on that platform.

Perl got an image Problem thanks to a 2002 April fools joke by Larry Wall the 
writer of the language which oddly back fired on him. He announced Perl 6 was 
the new Perl engine which would also be able to run code in a VM in any other 
language. He also created a code repo for it. A couple of days later he was 
shocked to find working code in the repo. So he rolled with it and started to 
put together extremely ambitious specs for Perl 6. Now Perl should have gone 
through several major releases since then but because of the lofty goals of 
Perl 6 it didn't. That's not to say the language has been static. No Perl 5 
program I've written in the last 10 years will not run on a version of Perl 5 
from 2002 or even in most cases a version from 2005. To People who know the 
language well what we are calling Perl 6 should probably be called Perl 9.

As for Python it's become popular and definitely Red Hat's favorite scripting 
language. It's got a great following and is used for many things.

As for modules Perl 5 still has more but many of the are dated, Python is 
catching up and it has the benefit of youth and popularity.
For example Amazon AWS has a Python API, but not a Perl API. I've been debating 
about writing one my self and in the Perl tradition there are 2 ways I can do 
it build on LWP (lib WWW Perl) to create a native Perl module, or take the lazy 
route by create an "XS" module which wraps the C API. The advantage of the XS 
method is I can run a script and have a clumsy but working module in seconds, 
then spend a couple of hours to make it easy to use.

What you will here is Perl is dead, but the truth is most people use it on a 
daily basis and don't know it. Perl is still the swiss army chainsaw of 
scripting languages.

Honestly for support on learning Python is easier.
With Perl if you can get to the point where you really understand the power of 
anonymous references, it's still a very fast and flexible language.

In conclusion
Either one is good. Learn them both at least superficially. Tinker and play 
with them and see which one is right for you.



  Original Message  
From: Maarten
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 03:00
To: SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Perl 6 just hit

Hello,

Saw this discussion and found it interesting, got a somewhat half on 
topic question. I've been trying to decide on a language to learn, 
python and perl both stood out. There seems to be various discussions of 
why one is better than the other, and the pro's and con's of both. From 
what I've seen perl has been around longer than python and there are 
plenty of places to ask for help and lots of perl modules to use in your 
code. Python on the other hand seems newer, also has modules(probably 
less than perl), and has quite bit of community around too. However 
lately I've been seeing that there are more python projects than perl, 
making me think python might be the better one to go for. So I am more 
wondering what peoples opinions on this mailing list are when it comes 
to python or perl, that way I can consider the opinion of people who 
have been programming for a while before I make a decision to what I am 
going to do ;)

On 2016-12-30 02:03, prmari...@gmail.com wrote:
> I couldn't agree more, usually when I go to an open source event if
> the crowd is a good one they wind up going some where else after the
> event is over and chat for hours.
> Thanks for the link

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Steven Haigh]

On 30/12/16 20:04, prmari...@gmail.com wrote:
> What you will here is Perl is dead, but the truth is most people use it on a 
> daily basis and don't know it. Perl is still the swiss army chainsaw of 
> scripting languages.

If you do an online transaction - somewhere between you and your bank,
you hit a perl script.

It's been said that the next financial crisis will be triggered by a
perl bug.

Even more seriously, stuff that absolutely must work, all the time,
every time and for more than a year at a time is written in perl.

Billion of dollars a month get moved around with perl scripts - and that
won't change anytime soon...

-- 
Steven Haigh

Email: net...@crc.id.au
Web: https://www.crc.id.au
Phone: (03) 9001 6090 - 0412 935 897



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Re: Perl 6 just hit

[prmarino1]

Ok well I will try to be unbiased but full disclosure I am a real hard core 
Perl programmer and I admittedly am not a huge Python fan.
Both have their good and bad points.
‎
The python philosophy is to enforce good programing practices by enforcing 
indentation.‎
‎
The Perl philosophy it there are many ways to do it.‎
‎
A little bit of a primer one of  the biggest motivation of the original writer 
of Python was he hated how sloppy Perl programmers  were and wanted to create a 
language that enforced what he thought were good coding practices. By the way 
any one who disagrees a quick google search for linux journal articles circa 
2001 can back me up with his own words.

The truth is ‎I've seen good and bad code in both languages. An enforcing 
indentation doesn't help especially when the the interpreter can't tell the 
difference between a tab and the equivalent number of spaces on that platform.

Perl got an image Problem thanks to a 2002 April fools joke by Larry Wall the 
writer of the language which oddly back fired on him. He announced Perl 6 was 
the new Perl engine which would also be able to run code in a VM in any other 
language. He also created a code repo for it. A couple of days later he was 
shocked to find working code in the repo. So he rolled with it and started to 
put together extremely ambitious specs for Perl 6. Now Perl should have gone 
through several major releases since then but because of the lofty goals of 
Perl 6 it didn't. That's not to say the language has been static. No Perl 5 
program I've written in the last 10 years will not run on a version of Perl 5 
from 2002 or even in most cases a version from 2005. To People who know the 
language well what we are calling Perl 6 should probably be called Perl 9.

As for Python it's become popular and definitely Red Hat's favorite scripting 
language. It's got a great following and is used for many things.

As for modules Perl 5 still has more but many of the are dated, Python is 
catching up and it has the benefit of youth and popularity.
For example Amazon AWS has a Python API, but not a Perl API. I've been debating 
about writing one my self and in the Perl tradition there are 2 ways I can do 
it build on LWP (lib WWW Perl) to create a native Perl module, or take the lazy 
route by create an "XS" module which wraps the C API. The advantage of the XS 
method is I can run a script and have a clumsy but working module in seconds, 
then spend a couple of hours to make it easy to use.

What you will here is Perl is dead, but the truth is most people use it on a 
daily basis and don't know it. Perl is still the swiss army chainsaw of 
scripting languages.

Honestly for support on learning Python is easier.
With Perl if you can get to the point where you really understand the power of 
anonymous references, it's still a very fast and flexible language.

In conclusion
Either one is good. Learn them both at least superficially. Tinker and play 
with them and see which one is right for you.



  Original Message  
From: Maarten
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 03:00
To: SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Perl 6 just hit

Hello,

Saw this discussion and found it interesting, got a somewhat half on 
topic question. I've been trying to decide on a language to learn, 
python and perl both stood out. There seems to be various discussions of 
why one is better than the other, and the pro's and con's of both. From 
what I've seen perl has been around longer than python and there are 
plenty of places to ask for help and lots of perl modules to use in your 
code. Python on the other hand seems newer, also has modules(probably 
less than perl), and has quite bit of community around too. However 
lately I've been seeing that there are more python projects than perl, 
making me think python might be the better one to go for. So I am more 
wondering what peoples opinions on this mailing list are when it comes 
to python or perl, that way I can consider the opinion of people who 
have been programming for a while before I make a decision to what I am 
going to do ;)

On 2016-12-30 02:03, prmari...@gmail.com wrote:
> I couldn't agree more, usually when I go to an open source event if
> the crowd is a good one they wind up going some where else after the
> event is over and chat for hours.
> Thanks for the links, I'll look into them even though I'm on too many
> mailing lists already‎ :).
> 
>   Original Message  
> From: ToddAndMargo
> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 18:24
> To: Paul Robert Marino
> Cc: scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov
> Subject: Re: Perl 6 just hit
> 
> On 12/28/2016 01:09 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
>> there is one for active Perl 6
>> projects but they don't want any one who doesn't already have an
>> active Perl 6 project to attend. I asked them very politely for a
>> clarification on their policy and didn't not get a response. I did

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Jos Vos]

Hi Maarten,

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 08:59:36AM +0100, Maarten wrote:

> Saw this discussion and found it interesting, got a somewhat half on 
> topic question. I've been trying to decide on a language to learn, 
> python and perl both stood out. There seems to be various discussions of 
> why one is better than the other, and the pro's and con's of both. From 
> what I've seen perl has been around longer than python and there are 
> plenty of places to ask for help and lots of perl modules to use in your 
> code. Python on the other hand seems newer, also has modules(probably 
> less than perl), and has quite bit of community around too. However 
> lately I've been seeing that there are more python projects than perl, 
> making me think python might be the better one to go for. So I am more 
> wondering what peoples opinions on this mailing list are when it comes 
> to python or perl, that way I can consider the opinion of people who 
> have been programming for a while before I make a decision to what I am 
> going to do ;)

This is an absolute no-brainer: go for Python.  There are IMHO many
reasons for that, some are subjective, some are objective.  My personal
prediction is that the use of Perl will decrease during the time and
that Perl 6 will never gain a significant "market share" in
programming land.  I think even part of the Perl community "fears" the
same.

See also the TIOBE index (http://www.tiobe.com/tiobe-index/) although
do not consider this table to be a reflection of good taste ;-).

And go for Python 3.  Although Python 2 and 3 are almost compatible
(which Perl 5 and 6 are definitely not, which is part of the problem),
when starting to learn better stay with Python 3 from the beginning.

Because you asked: I've been programming for 30+ years (and using
UNIX for the same amount of time) and have used a large number of
languages (of course including Perl).  Python has become my favorite
language, although for some things I have to switch to C or even JS.

Hope this helps a bit.

-- 
--Jos Vos 
--X/OS Experts in Open Systems BV   |   Office: +31 20 6938364
--Amsterdam, The Netherlands|   Mobile: +31 6 26216181

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Maarten]

Hello,

Saw this discussion and found it interesting, got a somewhat half on 
topic question. I've been trying to decide on a language to learn, 
python and perl both stood out. There seems to be various discussions of 
why one is better than the other, and the pro's and con's of both. From 
what I've seen perl has been around longer than python and there are 
plenty of places to ask for help and lots of perl modules to use in your 
code. Python on the other hand seems newer, also has modules(probably 
less than perl), and has quite bit of community around too. However 
lately I've been seeing that there are more python projects than perl, 
making me think python might be the better one to go for. So I am more 
wondering what peoples opinions on this mailing list are when it comes 
to python or perl, that way I can consider the opinion of people who 
have been programming for a while before I make a decision to what I am 
going to do ;)


On 2016-12-30 02:03, prmari...@gmail.com wrote:

I couldn't agree more, usually when I go to an open source event if
the crowd is a good one they wind up going some where else after the
event is over and chat for hours.
Thanks for the links, I'll look into them even though I'm on too many
mailing lists already‎ :).

  Original Message  
From: ToddAndMargo
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 18:24
To: Paul Robert Marino
Cc: scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Perl 6 just hit

On 12/28/2016 01:09 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

there is one for active Perl 6
projects but they don't want any one who doesn't already have an
active Perl 6 project to attend. I asked them very politely for a
clarification on their policy and didn't not get a response. I didn't
get a reply but I know other Perl 5 programmers who showed up looking
to get porting tips, and were asked to leave because they weren't
currently Perl 6 programmers, which is a very poor approach to take if
you really want to rebuild the Perl community.


I have found in all my years in this biz that when so called "experts" 
get

arrogant and condescending, it is usually because they don't
know what they are doing. The real experts love to talk and talk
about what they have learned. Sort of like letting the air out
of a compressed air container.

There is a Perl 6 mailing list with a bunch of great guys
over at

http://lists.perl.org/list/perl6-users.html

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[prmarino1]

I couldn't agree more, usually when I go to an open source event if the crowd 
is a good one they wind up going some where else after the event is over and 
chat for hours.
Thanks for the links, I'll look into them even though I'm on too many mailing 
lists already‎ :).

  Original Message  
From: ToddAndMargo
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 18:24
To: Paul Robert Marino
Cc: scientific-linux-users@fnal.gov
Subject: Re: Perl 6 just hit

On 12/28/2016 01:09 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
> there is one for active Perl 6
> projects but they don't want any one who doesn't already have an
> active Perl 6 project to attend. I asked them very politely for a
> clarification on their policy and didn't not get a response. I didn't
> get a reply but I know other Perl 5 programmers who showed up looking
> to get porting tips, and were asked to leave because they weren't
> currently Perl 6 programmers, which is a very poor approach to take if
> you really want to rebuild the Perl community.

I have found in all my years in this biz that when so called "experts" get
arrogant and condescending, it is usually because they don't
know what they are doing. The real experts love to talk and talk
about what they have learned. Sort of like letting the air out
of a compressed air container.

There is a Perl 6 mailing list with a bunch of great guys
over at

http://lists.perl.org/list/perl6-users.html

-- 
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[ToddAndMargo]

On 12/28/2016 01:09 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

  there is one for active Perl 6
projects but they don't want any one who doesn't already have an
active Perl 6 project to attend. I asked them very politely for a
clarification on their policy and didn't not get a response. I didn't
get a reply but I know other Perl 5 programmers who showed up looking
to get porting tips, and were asked to leave because they weren't
currently Perl 6 programmers, which is a very poor approach to take if
you really want to rebuild the Perl community.


I have found in all my years in this biz that when so called "experts" get
arrogant and condescending, it is usually because they don't
know what they are doing.  The real experts love to talk and talk
about what they have learned.  Sort of like letting the air out
of a compressed air container.

There is a Perl 6 mailing list with a bunch of great guys
over at

http://lists.perl.org/list/perl6-users.html

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[ToddAndMargo]

On 12/28/2016 01:09 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

Well I'm hoping my multi-threaded code will actually be able to use
multiple CPU cores on Linux. its worked on Solaris for a long time but
for some reason its always been CPU core bound on Linux.
Also I would like to start a local Perl 6 work group for Perl 5
programmers looking to port their code. there is one for active Perl 6
projects but they don't want any one who doesn't already have an
active Perl 6 project to attend. I asked them very politely for a
clarification on their policy and didn't not get a response. I didn't
get a reply but I know other Perl 5 programmers who showed up looking
to get porting tips, and were asked to leave because they weren't
currently Perl 6 programmers, which is a very poor approach to take if
you really want to rebuild the Perl community.




These Perl 5 to Perl 6 converters might be of interest to you:

http://search.cpan.org/dist/Perl-ToPerl6/

https://github.com/Util/Blue_Tiger/




--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Paul Robert Marino]

Perl 5 isn't going any where any time soon.
surprisingly you can actually get working Perl 4 RPMs for SL7.
besides there is too much C code linked to lib Perl 5 like Git for example

On Wed, Dec 28, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Natalia Ratnikova <nata...@fnal.gov> wrote:
> Hi All,
> With Perl 6 on the scene, is Perl 5 expected to continue to get full support
> within SL?
> Thanks.
>Natalia.
>
>
> On 12/28/16 3:09 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
>>
>> Well I'm hoping my multi-threaded code will actually be able to use
>> multiple CPU cores on Linux. its worked on Solaris for a long time but
>> for some reason its always been CPU core bound on Linux.
>> Also I would like to start a local Perl 6 work group for Perl 5
>> programmers looking to port their code. there is one for active Perl 6
>> projects but they don't want any one who doesn't already have an
>> active Perl 6 project to attend. I asked them very politely for a
>> clarification on their policy and didn't not get a response. I didn't
>> get a reply but I know other Perl 5 programmers who showed up looking
>> to get porting tips, and were asked to leave because they weren't
>> currently Perl 6 programmers, which is a very poor approach to take if
>> you really want to rebuild the Perl community.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:28 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> Perl 6 just hit EPEL: rakudo-star.x86_64 0:0.0.2016.11-1.el7
>>>>>
>>>>> -T
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> ~~
>>>>> Computers are like air conditioners.
>>>>> They malfunction when you open windows
>>>>> ~~
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/27/2016 05:53 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Cool
>>>> I guess that means I really should start writing in Perl 6
>>>>
>>> I am looking forward to the improved way of passing variables to
>>> subroutines.  :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~~
>>> Computers are like air conditioners.
>>> They malfunction when you open windows
>>> ~~

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Mark Stodola]

Seeing as how it is only in EPEL (Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux), 
I wouldn't expect any change of support for TUV/SL for currently 
maintained releases.



On 12/28/2016 03:24 PM, Natalia Ratnikova wrote:

Hi All,
With Perl 6 on the scene, is Perl 5 expected to continue to get full
support within SL?
Thanks.
   Natalia.

On 12/28/16 3:09 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

Well I'm hoping my multi-threaded code will actually be able to use
multiple CPU cores on Linux. its worked on Solaris for a long time but
for some reason its always been CPU core bound on Linux.
Also I would like to start a local Perl 6 work group for Perl 5
programmers looking to port their code. there is one for active Perl 6
projects but they don't want any one who doesn't already have an
active Perl 6 project to attend. I asked them very politely for a
clarification on their policy and didn't not get a response. I didn't
get a reply but I know other Perl 5 programmers who showed up looking
to get porting tips, and were asked to leave because they weren't
currently Perl 6 programmers, which is a very poor approach to take if
you really want to rebuild the Perl community.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com>
wrote:

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:28 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com>
wrote:

Hi All,

Perl 6 just hit EPEL: rakudo-star.x86_64 0:0.0.2016.11-1.el7

-T

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~


On 12/27/2016 05:53 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

Cool
I guess that means I really should start writing in Perl 6


I am looking forward to the improved way of passing variables to
subroutines.  :-)


--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Natalia Ratnikova]

Hi All,
With Perl 6 on the scene, is Perl 5 expected to continue to get full 
support within SL?

Thanks.
   Natalia.

On 12/28/16 3:09 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

Well I'm hoping my multi-threaded code will actually be able to use
multiple CPU cores on Linux. its worked on Solaris for a long time but
for some reason its always been CPU core bound on Linux.
Also I would like to start a local Perl 6 work group for Perl 5
programmers looking to port their code. there is one for active Perl 6
projects but they don't want any one who doesn't already have an
active Perl 6 project to attend. I asked them very politely for a
clarification on their policy and didn't not get a response. I didn't
get a reply but I know other Perl 5 programmers who showed up looking
to get porting tips, and were asked to leave because they weren't
currently Perl 6 programmers, which is a very poor approach to take if
you really want to rebuild the Perl community.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:28 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com>
wrote:

Hi All,

Perl 6 just hit EPEL: rakudo-star.x86_64 0:0.0.2016.11-1.el7

-T

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~


On 12/27/2016 05:53 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

Cool
I guess that means I really should start writing in Perl 6


I am looking forward to the improved way of passing variables to
subroutines.  :-)


--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Paul Robert Marino]

Well I'm hoping my multi-threaded code will actually be able to use
multiple CPU cores on Linux. its worked on Solaris for a long time but
for some reason its always been CPU core bound on Linux.
Also I would like to start a local Perl 6 work group for Perl 5
programmers looking to port their code. there is one for active Perl 6
projects but they don't want any one who doesn't already have an
active Perl 6 project to attend. I asked them very politely for a
clarification on their policy and didn't not get a response. I didn't
get a reply but I know other Perl 5 programmers who showed up looking
to get porting tips, and were asked to leave because they weren't
currently Perl 6 programmers, which is a very poor approach to take if
you really want to rebuild the Perl community.

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:55 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:28 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Perl 6 just hit EPEL: rakudo-star.x86_64 0:0.0.2016.11-1.el7
>>>
>>> -T
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~~
>>> Computers are like air conditioners.
>>> They malfunction when you open windows
>>> ~~
>
>
> On 12/27/2016 05:53 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:
>>
>> Cool
>> I guess that means I really should start writing in Perl 6
>>
>
> I am looking forward to the improved way of passing variables to
> subroutines.  :-)
>
>
> --
> ~~
> Computers are like air conditioners.
> They malfunction when you open windows
> ~~

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[ToddAndMargo]

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:28 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com> wrote:

Hi All,

Perl 6 just hit EPEL: rakudo-star.x86_64 0:0.0.2016.11-1.el7

-T

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~


On 12/27/2016 05:53 PM, Paul Robert Marino wrote:

Cool
I guess that means I really should start writing in Perl 6



I am looking forward to the improved way of passing variables to
subroutines.  :-)

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~

Re: Perl 6 just hit

[Paul Robert Marino]

Cool
I guess that means I really should start writing in Perl 6

On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 8:28 PM, ToddAndMargo <toddandma...@zoho.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Perl 6 just hit EPEL: rakudo-star.x86_64 0:0.0.2016.11-1.el7
>
> -T
>
> --
> ~~
> Computers are like air conditioners.
> They malfunction when you open windows
> ~~

Perl 6 just hit

[ToddAndMargo]

Hi All,

Perl 6 just hit EPEL: rakudo-star.x86_64 0:0.0.2016.11-1.el7

-T

--
~~
Computers are like air conditioners.
They malfunction when you open windows
~~