RE: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
For video, has anyone considered downloading it and then viewing with VLC or the like, rather than trying to put it "in" Firefox? There are lots of services like: http://www.clipconverter.cc/ , extensions, programs etc that can do this from most websites I've tried (youtube, TED talks, etc)... -- James Pulver CLASSE Computer Group Cornell University -Original Message- From: owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov [mailto:owner-scientific-linux-us...@listserv.fnal.gov] On Behalf Of Yasha Karant Sent: Monday, December 22, 2014 4:31 PM To: SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-USERS@LISTSERV.FNAL.GOV Subject: Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox On 12/22/2014 01:00 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: > On 12/22/2014 12:50 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: >> Since my most recent posting on this matter, I have found: >> >> http://www.ehow.com/how_8409438_use-instead-flash-player-firefox.html >> >> How to Use VLC Instead of Flash Player in Firefox > > Hi Yasha, > > Sounds like you have your hands full! I wish I had more Linux > customers. > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashvideoreplacer/ > > says "This add-on has been removed by its author" > > Doesn't sound so good. > > -T > > p.s. what do you use for remote assistance with your users? It appears that the VLC route does not work. Will VLC "play" Flash? If so, does Firefox allow "helper applications" so that VLC would be used rather than a Firefox plugin? This method -- helper applications -- used to work, but I have no details on the current implementations with regard to the allowed functionalities (e.g., MIME types) as permitted by either SL 6 or SL 7. Presumably, Mozilla Seamonkey has the same issues as Firefox. As for your PS question, a reply probably is more appropriate off-list. Yasha
Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
-- Le (On) 2014-12-22 -0800 à (at) 11:53:25 ToddAndMargo écrivit (wrote): -- > > > Hi Chris, > > Firefox flags the out-of-date Flash plugin as a security hazard. > On my yum.log (SL5.11) I saw : Nov 26 04:10:27 Updated: flash-plugin-11.2.202.424-release.x86_64 ... Dec 10 05:29:02 Updated: flash-plugin-11.2.202.425-release.x86_64 butinfirefox plugins it was stillseenas flash-plugin-11.2.202.424 and blocked as a security hazard. so I had to remove it and re-install : Dec 15 23:40:08 Erased: flash-plugin Dec 15 23:41:49 Installed: flash-plugin-11.2.202.425-release.x86_64 and now it is OK inside firefox. HTH. -- Best regards, Robert FRANCHISSEUR Apollo_gist :-)___ | Robert FRANCHISSEUR Phone : +33 (0)950 635 636 | | 30 rue René Hamon Phone : +33 (0)1 46 78 37 29 | | F-94800 VILLEJUIFe-mail : Robert at Franchisseur . fr | --- pgpYfE0zONj8Z.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
On 12/22/2014 05:25 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: On 12/22/2014 03:44 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 12/22/2014 03:10 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 12/22/2014 02:08 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: And I asked on the Firefox newsgroup. A guy over on the Firefox newsgroup wrote me off list with how to do it. I am waiting for his permission to paste it over here. Got permission, just leave his name off: yes. i am using it myself. from main menu; Edit > Preferences > Applications highlight "Content Type" you want to change, in "Action" column, press up/down pointers, select; Use VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Totem 2.nn.n) (in Firefox) my system is CentOS 6.6, using firefox 24.8.0 and my 'vlc' plugin is 2.28.6. depending on your install of linux and 'vlc', the number will be different. I removed flash and restart FF. I tried loading a flv from disk and it started VLC in a separate windows. I also tried watching the Green Bay Packers highlights and got mined in adds and spy utilities. (The Packer won, by the way.) -T The details for Firefox 34.0.5, IA-32, are slightly different. I use current production Firefox, not the SL ESR version. IA-32 SL 6x . 1. Tools -> Add ons -> Plugins Shockwave flash set to Never Activate in the menu choices VLC multimedia set to Always Activate 2. Edit -> Preferences -> Applications search for flash and use VLC (that may appear as "default" in some cases) Before I did both of these steps, Firefox (after a quit and activate) refused to use VLC, but does now except for the situation as follows. I tried the URL below: http://www.chemgapedia.de/vsengine/help/en/flash/index.html The test Adobe Flash Player Test did not work, with the diagnostic message: Flash not running. I think it is because the site is specifically looking for the flash plugin The test Adobe Flash-Video Test forced a download of a FLV file that was then opened and handled by VLC . Does anyone know why the first test failed and how to get around the issue with VLC ? Yasha Karant Hi Yasha, I have flash player removed from my system (rpm -e). After disabling my Flash Block plugin, setting VLC to Always Activate, and restarting Firefox, I could get this flash video to play (had to restart Firefox first, or I only got audio). http://video.foxnews.com/v/3952709774001/nasa-rover-finds-lifes-building-blocks-on-mars Got this to play too, but I am not sure it is flash. http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Wk-16-Report-Card-Green-Bay-Packers/f036fc70-9e1a-43ae-92c0-beaf4c5bba4a I do believe it all depends on whether or not the site is specifically checking for Flash. I could be wrong. -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
On 12/22/2014 03:44 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 12/22/2014 03:10 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 12/22/2014 02:08 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: And I asked on the Firefox newsgroup. A guy over on the Firefox newsgroup wrote me off list with how to do it. I am waiting for his permission to paste it over here. Got permission, just leave his name off: yes. i am using it myself. from main menu; Edit > Preferences > Applications highlight "Content Type" you want to change, in "Action" column, press up/down pointers, select; Use VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Totem 2.nn.n) (in Firefox) my system is CentOS 6.6, using firefox 24.8.0 and my 'vlc' plugin is 2.28.6. depending on your install of linux and 'vlc', the number will be different. I removed flash and restart FF. I tried loading a flv from disk and it started VLC in a separate windows. I also tried watching the Green Bay Packers highlights and got mined in adds and spy utilities. (The Packer won, by the way.) -T The details for Firefox 34.0.5, IA-32, are slightly different. I use current production Firefox, not the SL ESR version. IA-32 SL 6x . 1. Tools -> Add ons -> Plugins Shockwave flash set to Never Activate in the menu choices VLC multimedia set to Always Activate 2. Edit -> Preferences -> Applications search for flash and use VLC (that may appear as "default" in some cases) Before I did both of these steps, Firefox (after a quit and activate) refused to use VLC, but does now except for the situation as follows. I tried the URL below: http://www.chemgapedia.de/vsengine/help/en/flash/index.html The test Adobe Flash Player Test did not work, with the diagnostic message: Flash not running. The test Adobe Flash-Video Test forced a download of a FLV file that was then opened and handled by VLC . Does anyone know why the first test failed and how to get around the issue with VLC ? Yasha Karant
Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
On 12/22/2014 03:10 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 12/22/2014 02:08 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: And I asked on the Firefox newsgroup. A guy over on the Firefox newsgroup wrote me off list with how to do it. I am waiting for his permission to paste it over here. Got permission, just leave his name off: yes. i am using it myself. from main menu; Edit > Preferences > Applications highlight "Content Type" you want to change, in "Action" column, press up/down pointers, select; Use VLC Multimedia Plugin (compatible Totem 2.nn.n) (in Firefox) my system is CentOS 6.6, using firefox 24.8.0 and my 'vlc' plugin is 2.28.6. depending on your install of linux and 'vlc', the number will be different. I removed flash and restart FF. I tried loading a flv from disk and it started VLC in a separate windows. I also tried watching the Green Bay Packers highlights and got mined in adds and spy utilities. (The Packer won, by the way.) -T -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
On 12/22/2014 02:08 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: And I asked on the Firefox newsgroup. A guy over on the Firefox newsgroup wrote me off list with how to do it. I am waiting for his permission to paste it over here. -- ~~ Computers are like air conditioners. They malfunction when you open windows ~~
Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
On 12/22/2014 01:31 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: Will VLC "play" Flash? Hi Yasha, Yes. Beautifully. I have three flash videos I take to customer sites and I play them on VLC. My favorite one is the I.T. Crowd Vista "We're going to die!" (I think they are making fun of us, but I am not quite sure how yet.) I also have on of Leo Leport stomping on Norton Anti Virus. Can you user test her video with VLC? I just posted this over on Video Lan: https://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=123306 And I asked on the Firefox newsgroup. If, I hear back, I will repost here. -T
Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
On 12/22/2014 01:00 PM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 12/22/2014 12:50 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: Since my most recent posting on this matter, I have found: http://www.ehow.com/how_8409438_use-instead-flash-player-firefox.html How to Use VLC Instead of Flash Player in Firefox Hi Yasha, Sounds like you have your hands full! I wish I had more Linux customers. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashvideoreplacer/ says "This add-on has been removed by its author" Doesn't sound so good. -T p.s. what do you use for remote assistance with your users? It appears that the VLC route does not work. Will VLC "play" Flash? If so, does Firefox allow "helper applications" so that VLC would be used rather than a Firefox plugin? This method -- helper applications -- used to work, but I have no details on the current implementations with regard to the allowed functionalities (e.g., MIME types) as permitted by either SL 6 or SL 7. Presumably, Mozilla Seamonkey has the same issues as Firefox. As for your PS question, a reply probably is more appropriate off-list. Yasha
Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
On 12/22/2014 12:50 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: Since my most recent posting on this matter, I have found: http://www.ehow.com/how_8409438_use-instead-flash-player-firefox.html How to Use VLC Instead of Flash Player in Firefox Hi Yasha, Sounds like you have your hands full! I wish I had more Linux customers. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/flashvideoreplacer/ says "This add-on has been removed by its author" Doesn't sound so good. -T p.s. what do you use for remote assistance with your users?
Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
On 12/22/2014 11:53 AM, ToddAndMargo wrote: On 12/22/2014 10:35 AM, Chris Schanzle wrote: On 12/22/2014 12:51 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: We have end users that we support on machines currently running IA-32 SL6x who need Adobe Flash capability in a Mozilla Firefox browser. From Adobe (presumably under the influence/control of the Microsoft monopoly): *NOTE*: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux. Is there a replacement for the Adobe Flash Player? Is there a version/replacement that properly works with x86-64 SL7 using a 64 bit Firefox? Yasha Karant What's the problem here? Flash is available for 32 and 64-bit browsers, use their yum repo. Just because the version is older than others, doesn't mean it is insecure or won't do the job. Hi Chris, Firefox flags the out-of-date Flash plugin as a security hazard. -T Hi Yasha, I do not know if this will help at all, but I install the "You Tube All HTLM5" extension on all my customer's machines to get them off of Flash as much as possible: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-all-html5 It is also faster at rendering than Flash is. Well at least it corrects a lot of lag problems on You Tube (problem may be You Tube, not Flash). Also, because iOS (iPhone, iPad, etc.) does not support Flash, it seriously behooves your clients to switch to HTML5 (I do recommend this to my clients). -T Todd, These are not my clients (customers) in the for-profit business sense of the word. These typically are colleagues who need Linux support that the regular IT channels at my university will not provide: the IT unit only supports "current" MS Windows with their configuration or, in so far as Apple supports it, Mac OS X. Some of these colleagues, such as the one who raised this issue, is a retired faculty member who still serves as an editor on a major international social science journal. I got sick and tired of trying to make MS Windows work on her machine, and got her to switch to EL . Support problems vanished under EL -- and with Crossover to support the particular (obsolete) versions of the MS Office suite that she must use (I have attempted to get her to switch to Open/LibreOffice, but to no avail -- she also does not like the current MS Office suite user interface and typically will not use it although it is installed under MS Win under VirtualBox). However, the journal and some of her colleagues present material that requires Flash, and Flash is an "accepted" standard by her journal. Thus, I must support Flash format material. Is there a mechanism to force Linux Firefox *NOT* to use the Firefox "old and insecure" database that Firefox uses for MS Win? Although her current machine is X86-64, as with my own laptop, it is under-provisioned for a 64 bit environment. It will run, but not well and may be unstable. Understand that the above mentioned colleague will have ten or more GUI intensive applications open at the same time -- not just a word processor, a spreadsheet, and a web browser. Hence I have left her at IA-32 SL6x. Since my most recent posting on this matter, I have found: http://www.ehow.com/how_8409438_use-instead-flash-player-firefox.html How to Use VLC Instead of Flash Player in Firefox VLC is an open-source cross-platform media player. It allows you to play standard video and audio formats from files on your computer, and also use the Firefox add-on to watch videos online through the browser. VLC's Firefox add-on uses fewer resources on the computer than Flash player does, so you can accomplish more while the video is running without programs having to stop or wait. End quote. Is anyone using Firefox on EL doing the above? If so, how and does it provide the needed functionality? Is the necessary software available from USA repositories or do intellectual property restrictions only allow it to be distributed, say, in the EU? Thanks, Yasha
Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
On 12/22/2014 10:35 AM, Chris Schanzle wrote: On 12/22/2014 12:51 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: We have end users that we support on machines currently running IA-32 SL6x who need Adobe Flash capability in a Mozilla Firefox browser. From Adobe (presumably under the influence/control of the Microsoft monopoly): *NOTE*: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux. Is there a replacement for the Adobe Flash Player? Is there a version/replacement that properly works with x86-64 SL7 using a 64 bit Firefox? Yasha Karant What's the problem here? Flash is available for 32 and 64-bit browsers, use their yum repo. Just because the version is older than others, doesn't mean it is insecure or won't do the job. Hi Chris, Firefox flags the out-of-date Flash plugin as a security hazard. -T Hi Yasha, I do not know if this will help at all, but I install the "You Tube All HTLM5" extension on all my customer's machines to get them off of Flash as much as possible: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/youtube-all-html5 It is also faster at rendering than Flash is. Well at least it corrects a lot of lag problems on You Tube (problem may be You Tube, not Flash). Also, because iOS (iPhone, iPad, etc.) does not support Flash, it seriously behooves your clients to switch to HTML5 (I do recommend this to my clients). -T
Re: Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
On 12/22/2014 12:51 PM, Yasha Karant wrote: We have end users that we support on machines currently running IA-32 SL6x who need Adobe Flash capability in a Mozilla Firefox browser. From Adobe (presumably under the influence/control of the Microsoft monopoly): *NOTE*: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux. Is there a replacement for the Adobe Flash Player? Is there a version/replacement that properly works with x86-64 SL7 using a 64 bit Firefox? Yasha Karant What's the problem here? Flash is available for 32 and 64-bit browsers, use their yum repo. Just because the version is older than others, doesn't mean it is insecure or won't do the job.
Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox [2]
On 12/22/2014 09:51 AM, Yasha Karant wrote: We have end users that we support on machines currently running IA-32 SL6x who need Adobe Flash capability in a Mozilla Firefox browser. From Adobe (presumably under the influence/control of the Microsoft monopoly): *NOTE*: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux. Is there a replacement for the Adobe Flash Player? Is there a version/replacement that properly works with x86-64 SL7 using a 64 bit Firefox? Yasha Karant I found the following information: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ *Linux* Mozilla, Firefox - NPAPI (Extended Support Release) 11.2.202.425 Chrome (embedded), Chromium-based browsers - PPAPI 16.0.0.235 I have searched on the web for PPAPI for Mozilla Firefox; the most I could find was: https://bryanquigley.com/crazy-ideas/adobe-flash-on-firefoxlinux-eol-summaryrecap Other options considered. * We default to Chromium – nope, let’s specifically NOT switch browsers over Flash. o Outcome: That would send the completely wrong message. * We default to a compatible Flash alternative (Shumway, Gnash, Lightspark) o Outcome: That would just be a stop gap measure. And we’ll always be playing catchup. * We add PPAPI support to Firefox ourselves / Hack it in o Outcome: Non-starter. Unless Mozilla adds it we don’t want the maintenance burden. End quote. Note that because Flash is not an ISO standard (unlike PDF), compatible Flash alternatives evidently always will be reverse engineering and thus playing catchup. Unfortunately, many end users and many IT units (that are business management based with little or no concern for computer science but only for-profit vendor technology) use and thus demand Flash. Any suggestions? Yasha Karant
Adobe flash plugin replacement for Firefox
We have end users that we support on machines currently running IA-32 SL6x who need Adobe Flash capability in a Mozilla Firefox browser. From Adobe (presumably under the influence/control of the Microsoft monopoly): *NOTE*: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux. Is there a replacement for the Adobe Flash Player? Is there a version/replacement that properly works with x86-64 SL7 using a 64 bit Firefox? Yasha Karant
