Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Todd And Margo Chester]

  
  
On 04/18/2011 10:24 PM, Jason Bronner wrote:

  

  any kind of business that needs a database backend, a
webserver, NAS services, or mail services and doesnt want to
deal with administrative nightmares of Microsoft products,
or have their TCO raised with licensing fees.
   

  

I absolute concur!  But, who are they?  Any particular industry to
target?

-T
  

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Hiisi]

On 19 April 2011 09:37, Todd And Margo Chester  wrote:
> On 04/18/2011 10:24 PM, Jason Bronner wrote:
>>
>> any kind of business that needs a database backend, a webserver, NAS
>> services, or mail services and doesnt want to deal with administrative
>> nightmares of Microsoft products, or have their TCO raised with licensing
>> fees.
>>
>>
>
> I absolute concur!  But, who are they?  Any particular industry to target?
>
> -T
>

Web-hosting companies maybe?
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Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Todd And Margo Chester]

On 04/18/2011 10:42 PM, Jason Bronner wrote:


HR/Payroll, Medical/H7, Client/Server app vendors or anything else 
that needs to consume data that you can cable a stupid MySQL box onto 
the router and say, there's your database. 0TCO, now GO! 


We have some HR/Payroll and Medical folks kicking around.
Great tip!  Thank you,

-T

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Todd And Margo Chester]

On 04/18/2011 10:40 PM, Hiisi wrote:

On 19 April 2011 09:37, Todd And Margo Chester  wrote:

On 04/18/2011 10:24 PM, Jason Bronner wrote:

any kind of business that needs a database backend, a webserver, NAS
services, or mail services and doesnt want to deal with administrative
nightmares of Microsoft products, or have their TCO raised with licensing
fees.



I absolute concur!  But, who are they?  Any particular industry to target?

-T


Web-hosting companies maybe?


The big guys have driven them all out of business.  :'[

RE: What kins of business use Linux?

[James M Pulver]

I suppose it's going to depend a LOT on the business, but I don't know of any 
"types of business" that would prefer Linux necessarily. Are you their primary 
IT support or a Consultant? If you're the primary IT guy for the small 
business, then like the above, if they need network storage etc, you could 
suggest / drop in Linux. If they need a basic mail server, drop in Linux. If 
they need a Kiosk, maybe drop in Linux. If they can get away from Office, drop 
in some Linux desktops.

If you're a consultant, it's probably going to depend a lot on the local IT 
staff. Can they support Linux? What tasks to they need to do?

In small business, I'd expect mostly Windows. Too many common apps are Windows 
only, like Quickbooks. And the vast majority of non tech people use Office.

--
James Pulver
Information Technology Area Supervisor
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Cornell University


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Subject: Re: What kins of business use Linux?

On 04/18/2011 10:40 PM, Hiisi wrote:
> On 19 April 2011 09:37, Todd And Margo Chester  wrote:
>> On 04/18/2011 10:24 PM, Jason Bronner wrote:
>>> any kind of business that needs a database backend, a webserver, NAS
>>> services, or mail services and doesnt want to deal with administrative
>>> nightmares of Microsoft products, or have their TCO raised with licensing
>>> fees.
>>>
>>>
>> I absolute concur!  But, who are they?  Any particular industry to target?
>>
>> -T
>>
> Web-hosting companies maybe?

The big guys have driven them all out of business.  :'[

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:20 AM, Todd And Margo Chester
 wrote:
> Hi All,

> This may seems like a weird question, when I am sifting
> through my lists of businesses, does anyone have an tips
> as to what kinds of businesses prefer Linux?  I would
> like to directly target those kinds of businesses
> before settling from more Windows work.

Cloud computing. Enterprise grade storage and virtualization. Finance.
Supercomputing. Web kiosks. Back end IT services, such spam filtering,
DNS, and outward facing SMTP servers as opposed to Exchange servers.
Educational. Small computers (netbooks, secure laptops, smartphones,
Tivo and other deliberately limited services.) CGI farms.

I've spent the last few years working for finance companies.

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 19/04/2011 07:20, Todd And Margo Chester a écrit :

Sort of like graphics houses prefer Apple.  What kinds of
business prefer Linux?


The french Gendarmerie Nationale ( = police force) is currently 
migrating no less than 85.000 desktops from Windows XP to Ubuntu 10.04.


Niki
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Mail : i...@microlinux.fr
Tél. : 04 66 63 10 32

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Troy Dawson]

On 04/19/2011 12:20 AM, Todd And Margo Chester wrote:

Hi All,

I am a consultant who only works in two counties.
I am currently working my way out of two jobs,
which is normal. Also means I have to do some
cold calling, also normal. And to facilitate
that, I have made up a database of local businesses.
I work with both Linux and Windows. (The occasional
Apple too, but you did not hear me admit to that.)

I really do not feel like the *aggravation* of having
to maintain any more Windows installations: low quality
software that almost works and has to be fussed with
20 times more than a Linux installation. And customer
who are never really very happy with the way things
turn out, or the expense.

This may seems like a weird question, when I am sifting
through my lists of businesses, does anyone have an tips
as to what kinds of businesses prefer Linux? I would
like to directly target those kinds of businesses
before settling from more Windows work.

Sort of like graphics houses prefer Apple. What kinds of
business prefer Linux?

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
-T


Here in Chicago, Trading and Financial firms.
The reason is that for them, "time is money" is literal.  If they get 
the trade done before someone else, they get the money.  And it didn't 
take them long to realize that a finely tuned linux machine is the 
fastest thing out there.

Just know that most of them out there are brutal to their admins.
Troy
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Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Vaclav Mocek]

On 04/19/2011 06:20 AM, Todd And Margo Chester wrote:

Hi All,

I am a consultant who only works in two counties.
I am currently working my way out of two jobs,
which is normal.  Also means I have to do some
cold calling, also normal.  And to facilitate
that, I have made up a database of local businesses.
I work with both Linux and Windows.  (The occasional
Apple too, but you did not hear me admit to that.)

I really do not feel like the *aggravation* of having
to maintain any more Windows installations: low quality
software that almost works and has to be fussed with
20 times more than a Linux installation.  And customer
who are never really very happy with the way things
turn out, or the expense.

This may seems like a weird question, when I am sifting
through my lists of businesses, does anyone have an tips
as to what kinds of businesses prefer Linux?  I would
like to directly target those kinds of businesses
before settling from more Windows work.

Sort of like graphics houses prefer Apple.  What kinds of
business prefer Linux?

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.

Many thanks,
-T 

Embedded systems - from routers to TVs, cameras and medical devices.

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Nicolas Kovacs]

Le 19/04/2011 07:20, Todd And Margo Chester a écrit :

I really do not feel like the *aggravation* of having
to maintain any more Windows installations: low quality
software that almost works and has to be fussed with
20 times more than a Linux installation.  And customer
who are never really very happy with the way things
turn out, or the expense.


I'm running a small business specialized in 100% GNU/Linux and FOSS 
systems, aimed at professional users, e. g. folks who use a PC as a tool 
to get work done. So far, my clients are small town halls, public 
libraries, a private school. My networks are mainly CentOS on servers, 
and a personal mix of CentOS and Fedora on desktops. Right now, it looks 
like I'll use the SL6/minimal-GNOME combination as a base for the new 
desktops.


I think a significant number of my clients don't even know they're using 
Linux. My only contact with Windows is when I have to retrieve data from 
a rotten install before replacing it with a crisp and clean Linux 
install. Sometimes, I integrate the odd Windows XP client in a mixed 
network, but more often than not, I just tell my clients that I don't do 
Windows, and I (politely) advise them to see someone else. So far, only 
one client wanted to migrate back, and it was the sort of client I was 
glad to be rid of anyway.


Cheers from the sunny South of France,

Niki Kovacs
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Mail : i...@microlinux.fr
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Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[john h outlan]

>
>
>>
> I'm running a small business specialized in 100% GNU/Linux and FOSS
> systems, aimed at professional users, e. g. folks who use a PC as a tool to
> get work done. So far, my clients are small town halls, public libraries, a
> private school. My networks are mainly CentOS on servers, and a personal mix
> of CentOS and Fedora on desktops. Right now, it looks like I'll use the
> SL6/minimal-GNOME combination as a base for the new desktops.
>
> I think a significant number of my clients don't even know they're using
> Linux. My only contact with Windows is when I have to retrieve data from a
> rotten install before replacing it with a crisp and clean Linux install.
> Sometimes, I integrate the odd Windows XP client in a mixed network, but
> more often than not, I just tell my clients that I don't do Windows, and I
> (politely) advise them to see someone else. So far, only one client wanted
> to migrate back, and it was the sort of client I was glad to be rid of
> anyway.
>
> Cheers from the sunny South of France,
>
> Niki Kovacs
>
> >>>snip>>>

I use Scientific Linux in a small CPA practice I run.  Mainly because (other
than being an enthusiast) I feel my data is safer.


~~
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Orlando, FL  USA
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Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Bluejay Adametz]

> What kinds of
> business prefer Linux?

While some equipment vendors seem to push Windows, the locally-built
manufacturing-control applications on the servers I support are
predominantly Linux-based. If it just has to run (or large chunks of
machinery comes to a grinding halt - perhaps literally), then you want
... well, you probably want VMS, but the Next Best Thing in my mind is
Linux.

And rather than deal with different distributions, I run SL on my
workstations and home machines.

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RE: What kins of business use Linux?

[Lukas Press]

I worked in civil engineering consultancy for the best part of ten years and
although everyone used windows I always thought the business was ripe for
conversion to linux/FOSS.   We used various specialist applications pretty
much round the clock, particularly CAD, and any reduction in the regular
"server down for maintenence" periods would have been most welcome to a
project manager like me, and presumably to the bean counters as well.  I
would imagine the same goes for the architects, environmental consultants,
structural and M&E engineers I worked with too, as all worked in a similar
way.

 

FOSS alternatives to the industry standard proprietary CAD & GIS solutions
were criminally overlooked too imo - limited numbers of floating proprietary
software licences to serve a large pool of users created a constant
practical problem.

 

Chris

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Todd And Margo Chester]

On 04/19/2011 03:00 PM, john h outlan wrote:

I use Scientific Linux in a small CPA practice I run.  Mainly because
(other than being an enthusiast) I feel my data is safer.


I have one CPA firm running Linux.  CCH constantly threatens to
go to a M$ server, but so far have not pulled the trigger on this.

I can not seem to get through to the other CPA firms in the area.
They are really, really cheap.  The accountants are suppose to
do their own I.T. and not call anyone.  And, every two years,
they run down to Costco and buy a new $400.00 mystery computer.
They figure they get rid of all their problems and viruses when they
throw the old computer away and they never had to call anyone.
Some refuse to purchase Anti Viruses: cheaper to just throw the
computer away every two years.  (Geez, I really want these
guys doing my taxes!)

Fortunately, not all of them: I think I got the only one!

Just a funny story: one of the accountants is so cheap he had
two two drawer file cabinets with a door across them as his
desk.  And, yes, if you leaned up against the door/table top,
it slid off.

Don't forget you can encrypt your hard drives with SL6.

-T

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Eero Volotinen]

2011/4/19 Todd And Margo Chester :
> Hi All,
>
> I am a consultant who only works in two counties.
> I am currently working my way out of two jobs,
> which is normal.  Also means I have to do some
> cold calling, also normal.  And to facilitate
> that, I have made up a database of local businesses.
> I work with both Linux and Windows.  (The occasional
> Apple too, but you did not hear me admit to that.)
>
> I really do not feel like the *aggravation* of having
> to maintain any more Windows installations: low quality
> software that almost works and has to be fussed with
> 20 times more than a Linux installation.  And customer
> who are never really very happy with the way things
> turn out, or the expense.
>
> This may seems like a weird question, when I am sifting
> through my lists of businesses, does anyone have an tips
> as to what kinds of businesses prefer Linux?  I would
> like to directly target those kinds of businesses
> before settling from more Windows work.

Almost all? From single server hosting companies to clustered
scientific/medical environments
?

--
Eero

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Todd And Margo Chester]

On 04/19/2011 03:00 PM, john h outlan wrote:

I use Scientific Linux in a small CPA practice I run.  Mainly because
(other than being an enthusiast) I feel my data is safer.




Don't forget you can encrypt your hard drives with SL6.


Seriously, about three years ago, this area had a rash of
servers stole from CPA firms.  The object being identity
theft.

-T

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Todd And Margo Chester]

  
  
On 04/20/2011 01:04 AM, Lukas Press wrote:

  
  
  
  

  I worked in
civil engineering consultancy for the best part
of ten years and although everyone used windows I always
thought the
business was ripe for conversion to linux/FOSS.   We
used
various specialist applications pretty much round the
clock,
particularly CAD, and any reduction in the regular
"server down for
maintenence" periods would have been most welcome to a
project manager like me, and presumably to the bean
counters as well.  I
would imagine the same goes for the architects,
environmental consultants,
structural and M&E engineers I worked with too, as
all worked in a
similar way.
   
  FOSS
alternatives to the industry standard proprietary CAD
& GIS solutions were criminally overlooked too imo –
limited numbers
of floating proprietary software licences to serve a
large pool of users created
a constant practical problem.
   
  Chris

  

Hi Chris,

What CAD software are you running on Linux.  Targeting
business that run that CAD may prove fruitful!

Many thanks,
-T
  

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Todd And Margo Chester]

On 04/20/2011 11:30 AM, Eero Volotinen wrote:

Almost all? From single server hosting companies to clustered
scientific/medical environments
?

I should check out the smaller medical groups.  Ones that can not
afford their own staff.

Thank you!

-T

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Lukas Press]

On 04/20/2011 07:36 PM, Todd And Margo Chester wrote:

On 04/20/2011 01:04 AM, Lukas Press wrote:


I worked in civil engineering consultancy for the best part of ten 
years and although everyone used windows I always thought the 
business was ripe for conversion to linux/FOSS.   We used 
various specialist applications pretty much round the clock, 
particularly CAD, and any reduction in the regular "server down for 
maintenence" periods would have been most welcome to a project 
manager like me, and presumably to the bean counters as well.  I 
would imagine the same goes for the architects, environmental 
consultants, structural and M&E engineers I worked with too, as all 
worked in a similar way.


FOSS alternatives to the industry standard proprietary CAD & GIS 
solutions were criminally overlooked too imo -- limited numbers of 
floating proprietary software licences to serve a large pool of users 
created a constant practical problem.


Chris


Hi Chris,

What CAD software are you running on Linux.  Targeting
business that run that CAD may prove fruitful!

Many thanks,
-T


I never tried any, although I heard good things about pro/engineer - 
http://www.ptc.com/products/creo-elements-pro/ which runs natively on linux.

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Phong Nguyen]

>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> What CAD software are you running on Linux.  Targeting
>> business that run that CAD may prove fruitful!
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> -T
> 
> I never tried any, although I heard good things about pro/engineer - 
> http://www.ptc.com/products/creo-elements-pro/ which runs natively on linux.
> 
The big CAD vendors have given up on Linux (including Pro/E). There are some 
open-source tools like BRL-CAD but I'm not aware of any really extensive use of 
them. 

- Phong

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:55 PM, Phong Nguyen  wrote:
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> What CAD software are you running on Linux.  Targeting
>>> business that run that CAD may prove fruitful!
>>>
>>> Many thanks,
>>> -T
>>
>> I never tried any, although I heard good things about pro/engineer - 
>> http://www.ptc.com/products/creo-elements-pro/ which runs natively on linux.
>>
> The big CAD vendors have given up on Linux (including Pro/E). There are some 
> open-source tools like BRL-CAD but I'm not aware of any really extensive use 
> of them.
>
> - Phong

Oh? I found that for circuit design and schematic capture, the problem
wasn't lack of tools: it was poverty of device models already *in* the
tools for Linux. I probably contributed 200 component
specifications to various CAD devices, just so they'd be in the basic
libraries and I wouldn't have to redo them with the next release. And
admittedly, the Windows ones had better libraries. But the Linux and
UNIX ones were more stable, easier to erase stupidities like single
points with wires connected to themselves only, and other
foollishness.

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Chris Tooley]

On 11-04-18 10:20 PM, Todd And Margo Chester wrote:

This may seems like a weird question, when I am sifting
through my lists of businesses, does anyone have an tips
as to what kinds of businesses prefer Linux? I would
like to directly target those kinds of businesses
before settling from more Windows work.


In my experience, a lot of online advertising companies use Linux - but 
I don't recommend working for them unless you like feeling slimy at the 
end of the day.  I've also had a lot of experience with Linux in the 
scientific community. Perhaps there are some research-based operations 
local to you? I know a lot of grid computing is using Linux almost 
exclusively.


I would probably start concentrating heavily on services over a network 
though. The whole world is going to be connected and being able to serve 
them information or media reliably and robustly would be a boon to your 
potential clients :) (load balancing, backup, storage, security, &tc.)


Pretty much everyone is going to need a server for their data and being 
able to provide them that service is a good thing IMO.


-Chris

Re: What kins of business use Linux?

[Chris Tooley]

Don't forget to include "scientific-linux-us...@fnal.gov" 
 in reply-to ;)


-Chris

On 11-04-26 2:23 PM, Jason Bronner wrote:

what chris said. anything that consumes data is going to benefit from
linux on the backend whether it be network attached storage or stupid
mysql boxes you can just cable onto the router. they dont go down,
they don't crash, and they're dirt cheap to piece together RAID
backpanes in cases, slap linux on, and use for any form of a data dump
somewhere on your production network. ill occasionally prostitute
myself making multi terabyte NAS units for home theatre installations,
and dropping linux on them in terms delivering a low cost unit makes
them very attractive.

On 4/26/11, Chris Tooley  wrote:

On 11-04-18 10:20 PM, Todd And Margo Chester wrote:

This may seems like a weird question, when I am sifting
through my lists of businesses, does anyone have an tips
as to what kinds of businesses prefer Linux? I would
like to directly target those kinds of businesses
before settling from more Windows work.


In my experience, a lot of online advertising companies use Linux - but
I don't recommend working for them unless you like feeling slimy at the
end of the day.  I've also had a lot of experience with Linux in the
scientific community. Perhaps there are some research-based operations
local to you? I know a lot of grid computing is using Linux almost
exclusively.

I would probably start concentrating heavily on services over a network
though. The whole world is going to be connected and being able to serve
them information or media reliably and robustly would be a boon to your
potential clients :) (load balancing, backup, storage, security,&tc.)

Pretty much everyone is going to need a server for their data and being
able to provide them that service is a good thing IMO.

-Chris

OT: What kinds of Linux use business? (Was: Re: What kins of business use Linux?)

[Hiisi]

On 19 April 2011 09:20, Todd And Margo Chester  wrote:
> Hi All,
> What kinds of
> business prefer Linux?
>

Subject says it all ;- )
What are the most popular distributions in business environment by list opinion?
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Re: OT: What kinds of Linux use business? (Was: Re: What kins of business use Linux?)

[Larry Brower]

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>> Hi All,
>> What kinds of
>> business prefer Linux?
>>
> 
> Subject says it all ;- )
> What are the most popular distributions in business environment by list 
> opinion?
> --
> Hiisi.
> Registered Linux User #487982. Be counted at: http://counter.li.org/
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Re: OT: What kinds of Linux use business? (Was: Re: What kins of business use Linux?)

[Bluejay Adametz]

> What are the most popular distributions in business environment by list 
> opinion?

Around here, a large manufacturing site, we use RedHat EL where we
need contract support (or we're running something that requires
Authentic RedHat in order for that vendor to support us), Scientific
Linux where we don't need that support.

SL has a slight lead over RedHat for our production systems. Then
there are a number of workstations and test machines that are running
SL.

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Re: OT: What kinds of Linux use business? (Was: Re: What kins of business use Linux?)

[jdow]

On 2011/04/27 04:08, Bluejay Adametz wrote:

What are the most popular distributions in business environment by list opinion?


Around here, a large manufacturing site, we use RedHat EL where we
need contract support (or we're running something that requires
Authentic RedHat in order for that vendor to support us), Scientific
Linux where we don't need that support.

SL has a slight lead over RedHat for our production systems. Then
there are a number of workstations and test machines that are running
SL.

  - Bluejay Adametz


Um, somehow I don't think that question quite parses if you look at it
critically. And this is not the best place for a a question asking "what
kind of Linux do Linux user businesses use?" I'd think Distrowatch would
be a better place.

A smart business uses the tools that work best for them. I use Linux,
probably migrating to SL, for some infrastructure tools. I use Windows
because that is where I make my money. Trust me. It really IS nicer
than waiting tables or cleaning houses for a living. I write software.
The kind of software I write has little or no Linux market. So I follow
the money. Sensible businesses do the same. "I need to . The best
tool for  is . And  runs on  OS on  machines. So
I run  machines with  OS running  for ing." I refuse
to get that order mixed up. If I did I'd find myself uncompetitive
and in some cases feeding spammers off my idle machine cycles.

{o.o}   Joanne Dow