Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!

[Daryle Lockhart]

I  think X3 suffered from a director who specializes in one to  one  
relationships, horrible casting, AND a bad script. How they  had  
screenings for X3 and nobody  suggested a Colossus/Juggernaut fight  
is beyond me. I don't know...if anybody  could pull multiple bad guys  
off off, I'd say Raimi was the dude. Spiderman 1 and 2 are SO far  
above what the other comic book movies are doing. I think the worst  
thing to do with  3 is to  spend the whole movie on Green Goblin 2.  
That  would be a waste. The teaser site  shows the black suit and I   
think that's going to be a great place to start raising the bar on  
these movies.

I  think Sam Raimi saw the same X3 we all saw.

On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:12 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

What do Peter's social and financial ills have to do with the  
possibility of
a script overloaded with too many characters being bad? Have you seen  
X-3
yet? That's the kind of fumbling we're worried about.

_

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
Sent: Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 21:46
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!

I have to disagree with you guys on this one.

This is Spider man. In the books, Peter's POVERTY is a villian. His
CLASS schedule. It's time for a movie that doesn't treat the audience
like a bunch of slow bus children. The character is a broke college
student who turns broke photographer who turns, eventually,
underpaid public school teacher. Spider-Man is a hero with complex
issues and a textured life. The complexity of the character universe
is what I LIKE about Marvel characters. As far as I'm concerned,
bring on Mysterio! Who ELSE can we dig up?

On Jun 6, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

I agree. Too much of anything--heroes or villains--can result in an
unwieldy
film that focuses too little time on any one element. Batman Returns--
the
second of the modern flicks--was okay, but it had three villians, and
suffered from a splintered storytelling as a result. But as you said,
with
a good, tight script maybe...

_

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Sent: Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 17:26
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Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!

Didn't a certain Batman film have 3 villains? ANd that film sucked.
More isn't necessarily better. I hope that the script for SM3 is
good and that the quantity of villains isn't a coverup for a low
quality script.

George

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wrote:
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 > Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!
 >
 > Source: websguy
 > June 1, 2006
 >
 > Former Marvel Studios CEO Avi Arad may have let a big one out of
the bag when talking to IFMagazine.com. He says there are four
villains in Spider-Man 3!
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!

[KeithBJohnson]

I hear you and see what you're saying. Personally, though, I tend to like one 
or two villians so one can focus on them more. Especially when each is so 
unique that you'd like lots of time to see them work. You end up getting to see 
them use their powers for too short a period of time, 'cause even with a good 
script there's only so much time available. Between the Peter Parker personal 
story (what is it this time? Gwen Stacy?), and the villains, three or four 
sounds like a lot. What if they just had two: Venom, which could be included 
nicely since it is his suit, and then one other?



-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 


I think X3 suffered from a director who specializes in one to one 
relationships, horrible casting, AND a bad script. How they had 
screenings for X3 and nobody suggested a Colossus/Juggernaut fight 
is beyond me. I don't know...if anybody could pull multiple bad guys 
off off, I'd say Raimi was the dude. Spiderman 1 and 2 are SO far 
above what the other comic book movies are doing. I think the worst 
thing to do with 3 is to spend the whole movie on Green Goblin 2. 
That would be a waste. The teaser site shows the black suit and I 
think that's going to be a great place to start raising the bar on 
these movies.

I think Sam Raimi saw the same X3 we all saw.

On Jun 7, 2006, at 12:12 AM, Keith Johnson wrote:

What do Peter's social and financial ills have to do with the 
possibility of
a script overloaded with too many characters being bad? Have you seen 
X-3
yet? That's the kind of fumbling we're worried about.

_

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle Lockhart
Sent: Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 21:46
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!

I have to disagree with you guys on this one.

This is Spider man. In the books, Peter's POVERTY is a villian. His
CLASS schedule. It's time for a movie that doesn't treat the audience
like a bunch of slow bus children. The character is a broke college
student who turns broke photographer who turns, eventually,
underpaid public school teacher. Spider-Man is a hero with complex
issues and a textured life. The complexity of the character universe
is what I LIKE about Marvel characters. As far as I'm concerned,
bring on Mysterio! Who ELSE can we dig up?

On Jun 6, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

I agree. Too much of anything--heroes or villains--can result in an
unwieldy
film that focuses too little time on any one element. Batman Returns--
the
second of the modern flicks--was okay, but it had three villians, and
suffered from a splintered storytelling as a result. But as you said,
with
a good, tight script maybe...

_

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ups.com]
On
Behalf Of g123curious
Sent: Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 17:26
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!

Didn't a certain Batman film have 3 villains? ANd that film sucked.
More isn't necessarily better. I hope that the script for SM3 is
good and that the quantity of villains isn't a coverup for a low
quality script.

George

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> Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!
>
> Source: websguy
> June 1, 2006
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> Former Marvel Studios CEO Avi Arad may have let a big one out of
the bag when talking to IFMagazine.com. He says there are four
villains in Spider-Man 3!
>


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer?

[KeithBJohnson]

Yeah, he's got talent, but it's the kind that can veer into irritatingly 
over-the-top if not handled well. He was stupid as heck in the Rundown, but it 
worked there. But after that, I keep having nightmare visions of that 
commercial for "Dukes of Hazzard", where he met an Australian girl and yells 
"Put another shrimp on the barbie!" at her.  Assuming I'd lost my mind and had 
wanted to see that movie, that one scene alone would have been enough to 
dissuade me. Well, that, and the one with h big-teeth Jessica Simpson kicking 
the dude over in a bar, then standing with her foot on him and saying something 
witty in that horrible Southern accent she faked!

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Waaay too goofy and I liked him in that role with rock too

Tracey

Keith Johnson wrote:
> You don't think Scott might be too goofy for the role? Loved him in that
> flick with The Rock, though!
>
> _ 
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> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Martin Pratt
> Sent: Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 18:40
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer?
>
>
>
> Seann William Scott as Speed, and Vaughan as Detector.
>
> Daryle Lockhart mailto:melaninjitsu%40mac.com> mac.com>
> wrote: Well, Jamie Foxx has taken enough post-Ray bad advice to qualify for 
> the role.
>
> On Jun 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, KeithBJohnson@
>  comcast.net wrote:
>
> Not that I have ageism, but Cruise is too old to play Speed, who's 
> barely into his 20s. Now maybe he can young down to play Racer X, but 
> I don't see it. Besides, he'd probably insist that his hostage--er, 
> wife--get the role of Trixie!
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> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com,
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> wrote:
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>> 
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>> forth? I need to see a CGI treatment of Vaughn buffed up and in the
>> costume, but I just don't see him as Racer X, unless this is a comedy
>> like the cartoon. And who will play Speed i wonder?
>> 
>
> Tom Cruise. No, really. This is one of those projects that keep
> getting mentioned yet never develops. Cruise's peeps kept releasing PR
> that said he wanted to play Speed.
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Re: [scifinoir2] Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer?

[KeithBJohnson]

I agree. Sad, I wish Welling and Erica Durance (Lois) could play the leads in 
the Superman movie, but I understand why the studio doesn't want to mix the 
casts. Speaking of, have you seen the "Superman Returns" trailers. The FX look 
good , but I'm leery of the principals. Routh and Bosworth look way too young 
for their roles, especially considering that this movie is supposed to take 
place five years *after* the time of the flicks with Christopher Reeve and 
Margot Kidder. I like my superheroes to look in their late '20s rather than 
barely out of their teens (Spidey being an exception).  Bosworth's a good 
actress, but she doesn't have the tough look Lois is supposed to have. She 
comes off as kinda frail and helpless. Lois needs to be boisterous and 
tough--even when she's in trouble. And I'm still trying to figure out why they 
gave Lois a kid.  Again, Bosworth looks so young, it doesn't jibe with trying 
to pass off this lady as the same character played by Margot Kidder. What? Was 
sh
e 17 or so when she got pregnant?

On a more personal preference note, I fear the return to two old standards: 
Clark Kent played as a wimpy nerd who's simply the mask for Kal-El, and 
Superman's return to godlike powers. As you know, the original Superman in '38 
was "mild-mannered" but not a klutzy punk as he became over the years. When 
John Byrne redid the mythos after the Crisis, Clark Kent was pretty cool, a 
published author and someone the ladies loved. He wasn't a pushover or a wimp 
that others laughed at. Byrne also had Clark Kent as the real person, with 
Superman being the mask. I loved that treatment. DC Comics has started 
reversing that trend recently, with Clark again being the fumbling, stumbling, 
nerd. Ugh! On the second point, the original Supes of '38 wasn't as strong as 
he later became. Couldn't even fly at first. Over the years he became a 
demi-god able to push whole planets out of orbit. That's too much for me, makes 
the character less believable (yeah, funny!) and makes good stories hard to 
write. H
ow many villains can you craft to challenge a god? John Byrne took it back to 
basics, with the post-Crisis character being weaker--relatively speaking. The 
Supes of the recent cartoons is an example of that. I liked that treatment too. 
DC comics has again reversed the trend, with the powers creeping back up. 
There's a new mini-series by Frank Quietey (he did New X-Men after the first 
movie) even listing Supes as being able to lift several *quadrillion* tons!  
Boooring! 

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Good Casting. But I bet Welling will not want to have anything to do 
with larger than live characters after smallville

Tracey

Keith Johnson wrote:
> Vince Vaughn as Racer X??? Who was smoking the crack when that was put
> forth? I need to see a CGI treatment of Vaughn buffed up and in the
> costume, but I just don't see him as Racer X, unless this is a comedy
> like the cartoon. And who will play Speed i wonder? For some reason I
> could see Tom "Smallville" Welling doing a suitably goofy Speed. You
> need a combination of looks and a kind of earnest, goofy, borderline
> simple-minded charm, to play Speed. Welling's got that in spades. I'd
> go with Amy Acker (Fred from "Angel") as Trixie (I can't see any other
> brunette doing that yell as well as!), and that creepy kid from the new
> "Omen" as Spritle. I guess Michael Jackson's chimp Bubbles could play
> Chim-Chim if he's still living. Dana Delaney for Mrs. Racer, and, I
> don't know, Michael Chicklis as Pops Racer? Maybe the dude who played
> Pyro in the X-Men movies as Sparky? 
> Vince Vaughn might be okay for somebody like Inspector Detector, or one
> of the villains like Ali Bin Schemer...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Said Kakese Dibinga
> Sent: Friday, 02 June, 2006 21:46
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer?
>
>
> Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer? 
>
>
> Source: IGN Filmforce 
> June 2, 2006
> 
> The last time we heard anything about Warner Bros.' live-action big
> screen adaptation of Japanese cartoon series Speed Racer was about two
> years ago. Back then, it was reported that Vince Vaughn was in talks to
> star as Racer X in the film, being produced by Joel Silver and Richard
> and Lauren Shuler Donner.
>
> Now, IGN Filmforce has learned that Larry and Andy Wachowski, the
> creators of "The Matrix" trilogy, may write and direct the feature film.
>
> The site says that none of the parties involved would go on record when
> asked about the project.
>
> Racer X is the long-lost but protective brother of the title character,
> the young driver who travels from race to race with his family.
>
> www.onceuponatimeinthecongo.blogspot.com 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

We reminds me of robin Williams and Jim Carrey.  Both Good and both can 
go overboard and become simply irritating and annoying

Tracey

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yeah, he's got talent, but it's the kind that can veer into irritatingly 
> over-the-top if not handled well. He was stupid as heck in the Rundown, but 
> it worked there. But after that, I keep having nightmare visions of that 
> commercial for "Dukes of Hazzard", where he met an Australian girl and yells 
> "Put another shrimp on the barbie!" at her.  Assuming I'd lost my mind and 
> had wanted to see that movie, that one scene alone would have been enough to 
> dissuade me. Well, that, and the one with h big-teeth Jessica Simpson kicking 
> the dude over in a bar, then standing with her foot on him and saying 
> something witty in that horrible Southern accent she faked!
>
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
> Waaay too goofy and I liked him in that role with rock too
>
> Tracey
>
> Keith Johnson wrote:
>   
>> You don't think Scott might be too goofy for the role? Loved him in that
>> flick with The Rock, though!
>>
>> _ 
>>
>> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Martin Pratt
>> Sent: Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 18:40
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer?
>>
>>
>>
>> Seann William Scott as Speed, and Vaughan as Detector.
>>
>> Daryle Lockhart mailto:melaninjitsu%40mac.com> mac.com>
>> wrote: Well, Jamie Foxx has taken enough post-Ray bad advice to qualify for 
>> the role.
>>
>> On Jun 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, KeithBJohnson@
>>  comcast.net wrote:
>>
>> Not that I have ageism, but Cruise is too old to play Speed, who's 
>> barely into his 20s. Now maybe he can young down to play Racer X, but 
>> I don't see it. Besides, he'd probably insist that his hostage--er, 
>> wife--get the role of Trixie!
>> Inpsector Detector anyone?
>>
>> -- Original message --
>> From: "tetsuwanatom1" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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>>
>> --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com,
>> "Keith Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
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>>> Vince Vaughn as Racer X??? Who was smoking the crack when that was
>>>
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>> put
>>
>> 
>>> forth? I need to see a CGI treatment of Vaughn buffed up and in the
>>> costume, but I just don't see him as Racer X, unless this is a comedy
>>> like the cartoon. And who will play Speed i wonder?
>>>
>>>   
>> Tom Cruise. No, really. This is one of those projects that keep
>> getting mentioned yet never develops. Cruise's peeps kept releasing PR
>> that said he wanted to play Speed.
>>
>> If this project gets off the ground, prolly that kid from CELLULAR. Or
>> an equivalent.
>>
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[scifinoir2] OT [Fwd: TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICE STATE]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

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Subject:TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICE STATE
Date:   Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:47:53 -0400
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AlterNet - Posted on May 26, 2006, Printed on June 1, 2006


TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICE STATE
By Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast

Is the U.S. becoming a police state? Here are the top 10 signs that it 
may well be the case.


1. The Internet Clampdown

One saving grace of alternative media in this age of unfettered 
corporate conglomeration has been the internet. While the masses are 
spoon-fed predigested news on TV and in mainstream print publications, 
the truth-seeking individual still has access to a broad array of 
investigative reporting and political opinion via the world-wide web. 
Of course, it was only a matter of time before the government moved to 
patch up this crack in the sky.

Attempts to regulate and filter internet content are intensifying 
lately, coming both from telecommunications corporations (who are 
gearing up to pass legislation transferring ownership and regulation of 
the internet to themselves), and the Pentagon (which issued an 
"Information Operations Roadmap" 
 in 2003, signed by 
Donald Rumsfeld, which outlines tactics such as network attacks and 
acknowledges, without suggesting a remedy, that US propaganda planted 
in other countries has easily found its way to Americans via the 
internet). One obvious tactic clearing the way for stifling regulation 
of internet content is the growing media frenzy over child pornography 
and "internet predators," which will surely lead to legislation that by 
far exceeds in its purview what is needed to fight such threats.


2. "The Long War"

This little piece of clumsy marketing died off quickly, but it gave 
away what many already suspected: the War on Terror will never end, nor 
is it meant to end. It is designed to be perpetual. As with the War on 
Drugs, it outlines a goal that can never be fully attained -- as long 
as there are pissed off people and explosives. The Long War will 
eternally justify what are ostensibly temporary measures: suspension of 
civil liberties, military expansion, domestic spying, massive deficit 
spending and the like. This short-lived moniker told us all, "get used 
to it. Things aren't going to change any time soon."


3. The USA PATRIOT Act

Did anyone really think this was going to be temporary? Yes, this 
disgusting power grab gives the government the right to sneak into your 
house, look through all your stuff and not tell you about it for weeks 
on a rubber stamp warrant. Yes, they can look at your medical records 
and library selections. Yes, they can pass along any information they 
find without probable cause for purposes of prosecution. No, they're 
not going to take it back, ever.


4. Prison Camps

This last January the Army Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton 
subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root nearly $400 million to build detention 
centers in the United States, for the purpose of unspecified "new 
programs."  Of course, 
the obvious first guess would be that these new programs might involve 
rounding up Muslims or political dissenters -- I mean, obviously 
detention facilities are there to hold somebody. I wish I had more to 
tell you about this, but it's, you know... secret.


5. Touchscreen Voting Machines

Despite clear, copious evidence that these nefarious contraptions are 
built to be tampered with, they continue to spread and dominate the 
voting landscape, thanks to Bush's "Help America Vote Act," the 
exploitation of corrupt elections officials, and the general public's 
enduring cluelessness.

In Utah, Emery County Elections Director Bruce Funk witnessed security 
testing by an outside firm on Diebold voting machines which showed them 
to be a security risk. But his warnings fell on deaf ears. Instead 
Diebold attorneys were flown to Emery County on the governor's airplane 
to squelch the story. Funk was fired. In Florida, Leon County 
Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho discovered an alarming security flaw 
in their Diebold system at the end of last year. Rather than fix the 
flaw, Diebold refused to fulfill its contract. Both of the other two 
touchscreen voting machine vendors, Sequoia and ES&S, now refuse to do 
business with Sancho, who is required by HAVA to implement a 
touchscreen system and will be sued by his own state if he doesn't. 
Diebold is said to be pressuring for Sancho's ouster before it will 
resume servicing the county.

Stories like these and much worse abound, and yet TV news outlets have 
done less coverage of the new era of elections fraud than even 9/11 
conspiracy theories. This is possibly the most important story of this 
century, but nobody seems to give a damn. As long as this issue is 
ignored, real American democracy will remain an illus

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This sums it all up in one neat, terrifying package.  What can we do to 
fight back?
>
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> AlterNet - Posted on May 26, 2006, Printed on June 1, 2006
>
>
> TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICE STATE
> By Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast
>
> Is the U.S. becoming a police state? Here are the top 10 signs that it
> may well be the case.
>
>
> 1. The Internet Clampdown
>
> One saving grace of alternative media in this age of unfettered
> corporate conglomeration has been the internet. While the masses are
> spoon-fed predigested news on TV and in mainstream print publications,
> the truth-seeking individual still has access to a broad array of
> investigative reporting and political opinion via the world-wide web.
> Of course, it was only a matter of time before the government moved to
> patch up this crack in the sky.
>
> Attempts to regulate and filter internet content are intensifying
> lately, coming both from telecommunications corporations (who are
> gearing up to pass legislation transferring ownership and regulation of
> the internet to themselves), and the Pentagon (which issued an
> "Information Operations Roadmap"
>  in 2003, signed by
> Donald Rumsfeld, which outlines tactics such as network attacks and
> acknowledges, without suggesting a remedy, that US propaganda planted
> in other countries has easily found its way to Americans via the
> internet). One obvious tactic clearing the way for stifling regulation
> of internet content is the growing media frenzy over child pornography
> and "internet predators," which will surely lead to legislation that by
> far exceeds in its purview what is needed to fight such threats.
>
>
> 2. "The Long War"
>
> This little piece of clumsy marketing died off quickly, but it gave
> away what many already suspected: the War on Terror will never end, nor
> is it meant to end. It is designed to be perpetual. As with the War on
> Drugs, it outlines a goal that can never be fully attained -- as long
> as there are pissed off people and explosives. The Long War will
> eternally justify what are ostensibly temporary measures: suspension of
> civil liberties, military expansion, domestic spying, massive deficit
> spending and the like. This short-lived moniker told us all, "get used
> to it. Things aren't going to change any time soon."
>
>
> 3. The USA PATRIOT Act
>
> Did anyone really think this was going to be temporary? Yes, this
> disgusting power grab gives the government the right to sneak into your
> house, look through all your stuff and not tell you about it for weeks
> on a rubber stamp warrant. Yes, they can look at your medical records
> and library selections. Yes, they can pass along any information they
> find without probable cause for purposes of prosecution. No, they're
> not going to take it back, ever.
>
>
> 4. Prison Camps
>
> This last January the Army Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton
> subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root nearly $400 million to build detention
> centers in the United States, for the purpose of unspecified "new
> programs."  Of course,
> the obvious first guess would be that these new programs might involve
> rounding up Muslims or political dissenters -- I mean, obviously
> detention facilities are there to hold somebody. I wish I had more to
> tell you about this, but it's, you know... secret.
>
>
> 5. Touchscreen Voting Machines
>
> Despite clear, copious evidence that these nefarious contraptions are
> built to be tampered with, they continue to spread and dominate the
> voting landscape, thanks to Bush's "Help America Vote Act," the
> exploitation of corrupt elections officials, and the general public's
> enduring cluelessness.
>
> In Utah, Emery County Elections Director Bruce Funk witnessed security
> testing by an outside firm on Diebold voting machines which showed them
> to be a security risk. But his warnings fell on deaf ears. Instead
> Diebold attorneys were flown to Emery County on the governor's airplane
> to squelch the story. Funk was fired. In Florida, Leon County
> Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho discovered an alarming security flaw
> in their Diebold system at the end of last year. Rather than fix the
> flaw, Diebold refused to fulfill its contract. Both of the other two
> touchscreen voting machine vendors, Sequoia and ES&S, now refuse to do
> business with Sancho, who is required by HAVA to implement a
> touchscreen system and will be sued by his own state if he doesn't.
> Diebold is said to be pressuring for Sancho's ouster before it will
> resume servicing the county.
>
> Stories like these and much worse abound, and yet TV news outlets have
> done less coverage of the new era of elections fraud than even 9/11
> conspiracy theories. This is possibly the most important story of this
> century, but nobody seems to give a damn. As long as this issue is
> ignored, real American democracy will rema

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICESTATE]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

i do not know. Everybody is starting to get it, but i think they think 
they can vote these jokers out. I hope they are right, but They have 
been fixing elections for long time and have it down to a science. 
Unless there is some sort of mass rejection of this stuff, I do not know 
what anyone can do. and if there is mass rejection, they have those 
camps they had haliburton built. Many suspect they are for those of us 
to do not accept what they are doing and try to take actions.

Scary times

Tracey

Amy Harlib wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> This sums it all up in one neat, terrifying package.  What can we do to 
> fight back?
>   
>> AlterNet - Posted on May 26, 2006, Printed on June 1, 2006
>>
>>
>> TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICE STATE
>> By Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast
>>
>> Is the U.S. becoming a police state? Here are the top 10 signs that it
>> may well be the case.
>>
>>
>> 1. The Internet Clampdown
>>
>> One saving grace of alternative media in this age of unfettered
>> corporate conglomeration has been the internet. While the masses are
>> spoon-fed predigested news on TV and in mainstream print publications,
>> the truth-seeking individual still has access to a broad array of
>> investigative reporting and political opinion via the world-wide web.
>> Of course, it was only a matter of time before the government moved to
>> patch up this crack in the sky.
>>
>> Attempts to regulate and filter internet content are intensifying
>> lately, coming both from telecommunications corporations (who are
>> gearing up to pass legislation transferring ownership and regulation of
>> the internet to themselves), and the Pentagon (which issued an
>> "Information Operations Roadmap"
>>  in 2003, signed by
>> Donald Rumsfeld, which outlines tactics such as network attacks and
>> acknowledges, without suggesting a remedy, that US propaganda planted
>> in other countries has easily found its way to Americans via the
>> internet). One obvious tactic clearing the way for stifling regulation
>> of internet content is the growing media frenzy over child pornography
>> and "internet predators," which will surely lead to legislation that by
>> far exceeds in its purview what is needed to fight such threats.
>>
>>
>> 2. "The Long War"
>>
>> This little piece of clumsy marketing died off quickly, but it gave
>> away what many already suspected: the War on Terror will never end, nor
>> is it meant to end. It is designed to be perpetual. As with the War on
>> Drugs, it outlines a goal that can never be fully attained -- as long
>> as there are pissed off people and explosives. The Long War will
>> eternally justify what are ostensibly temporary measures: suspension of
>> civil liberties, military expansion, domestic spying, massive deficit
>> spending and the like. This short-lived moniker told us all, "get used
>> to it. Things aren't going to change any time soon."
>>
>>
>> 3. The USA PATRIOT Act
>>
>> Did anyone really think this was going to be temporary? Yes, this
>> disgusting power grab gives the government the right to sneak into your
>> house, look through all your stuff and not tell you about it for weeks
>> on a rubber stamp warrant. Yes, they can look at your medical records
>> and library selections. Yes, they can pass along any information they
>> find without probable cause for purposes of prosecution. No, they're
>> not going to take it back, ever.
>>
>>
>> 4. Prison Camps
>>
>> This last January the Army Corps of Engineers gave Halliburton
>> subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root nearly $400 million to build detention
>> centers in the United States, for the purpose of unspecified "new
>> programs."  Of course,
>> the obvious first guess would be that these new programs might involve
>> rounding up Muslims or political dissenters -- I mean, obviously
>> detention facilities are there to hold somebody. I wish I had more to
>> tell you about this, but it's, you know... secret.
>>
>>
>> 5. Touchscreen Voting Machines
>>
>> Despite clear, copious evidence that these nefarious contraptions are
>> built to be tampered with, they continue to spread and dominate the
>> voting landscape, thanks to Bush's "Help America Vote Act," the
>> exploitation of corrupt elections officials, and the general public's
>> enduring cluelessness.
>>
>> In Utah, Emery County Elections Director Bruce Funk witnessed security
>> testing by an outside firm on Diebold voting machines which showed them
>> to be a security risk. But his warnings fell on deaf ears. Instead
>> Diebold attorneys were flown to Emery County on the governor's airplane
>> to squelch the story. Funk was fired. In Florida, Leon County
>> Supervisor of Elections Ion Sancho discovered an alarming security flaw
>> in their Diebold system at the end of last year. Rather than fix the
>> flaw, Diebold refused to fulfill its contract. Both of the other two
>> touchscreen vot

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

ggghhh to vaughn.  uggghhh blaaah to Cruise.  These people are 
definitely on crack

Tracey

tetsuwanatom1 wrote:
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Keith Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
>   
>> Vince Vaughn as  Racer X??? Who was smoking the crack when that was 
>> 
> put
>   
>> forth? I need to see a CGI treatment of Vaughn buffed up and in the
>> costume, but I just don't see him as Racer X, unless this is a comedy
>> like the cartoon. And who will play Speed i wonder? 
>> 
>
> Tom Cruise. No, really. This is one of those projects that keep 
> getting mentioned yet never develops. Cruise's peeps kept releasing PR 
> that said he wanted to play Speed. 
>
> If this project gets off the ground, prolly that kid from CELLULAR. Or 
> an equivalent.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
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>
>
>  
>
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>
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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICESTATE]

[Daryle Lockhart]

I think of all the options,  YOU've chosen the smartest, Tracey.  
Personally, I'm considering it for my own family. Staying and  
fighting implies that there is something to win. Voting does not work  
when both parties are in it for the same goal. There will  be no  
action from the people (which, by the way,  is the true democratic  
solution) until  the people start  going broke en masse. Only another  
depression is going to snap this nation out of its current  daze.   
So  long as we all  carry  4 or 5 credit cards and pay  our loans  
over time we do not believe that  there is a police state. We have  
flat  panel TVs,  we have cable,  we have designer shoes and big  
cars.  It's Blade Runner for real, folks. You  can't VOTE  a  
corporation out of your pocket. You don't unVOTE  a consumer culture.  
YOu  stop  doing things and start  doing other things. You MAKE  
things. Or you BUILD things. Or you buy and sell direct. We've been  
hoodwinked by "convenience" and now here we are...dependent on  
corporations for our very survival. And we're looking at the  
President like "we gotta get this guy outta here". And put WHO in? As  
soon as a Black democrat  comes up  soeaking  truth we will all  find  
1 reasons why  he's not the guy,  but somebody  we never heard  
of  before is.

This list is scary,  but not as scary as watching us build it over  
the past 6 years.

On Jun 7, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.  
Minor) wrote:

i do not know. Everybody is starting to get it, but i think they think
they can vote these jokers out. I hope they are right, but They have
been fixing elections for long time and have it down to a science.
Unless there is some sort of mass rejection of this stuff, I do not know
what anyone can do. and if there is mass rejection, they have those
camps they had haliburton built. Many suspect they are for those of us
to do not accept what they are doing and try to take actions.

Scary times

Tracey

Amy Harlib wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> This sums it all up in one neat, terrifying package.  What can we  
> do to
> fight back?
>
>> AlterNet - Posted on May 26, 2006, Printed on June 1, 2006
>>
>>
>> TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICE STATE
>> By Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast
>>
>> Is the U.S. becoming a police state? Here are the top 10 signs  
>> that it
>> may well be the case.
>>
>>
>> 1. The Internet Clampdown
>>
>> One saving grace of alternative media in this age of unfettered
>> corporate conglomeration has been the internet. While the masses are
>> spoon-fed predigested news on TV and in mainstream print  
>> publications,
>> the truth-seeking individual still has access to a broad array of
>> investigative reporting and political opinion via the world-wide web.
>> Of course, it was only a matter of time before the government  
>> moved to
>> patch up this crack in the sky.
>>
>> Attempts to regulate and filter internet content are intensifying
>> lately, coming both from telecommunications corporations (who are
>> gearing up to pass legislation transferring ownership and  
>> regulation of
>> the internet to themselves), and the Pentagon (which issued an
>> "Information Operations Roadmap"
>>  in 2003, signed by
>> Donald Rumsfeld, which outlines tactics such as network attacks and
>> acknowledges, without suggesting a remedy, that US propaganda planted
>> in other countries has easily found its way to Americans via the
>> internet). One obvious tactic clearing the way for stifling  
>> regulation
>> of internet content is the growing media frenzy over child  
>> pornography
>> and "internet predators," which will surely lead to legislation  
>> that by
>> far exceeds in its purview what is needed to fight such threats.
>>
>>
>> 2. "The Long War"
>>
>> This little piece of clumsy marketing died off quickly, but it gave
>> away what many already suspected: the War on Terror will never  
>> end, nor
>> is it meant to end. It is designed to be perpetual. As with the  
>> War on
>> Drugs, it outlines a goal that can never be fully attained -- as long
>> as there are pissed off people and explosives. The Long War will
>> eternally justify what are ostensibly temporary measures:  
>> suspension of
>> civil liberties, military expansion, domestic spying, massive deficit
>> spending and the like. This short-lived moniker told us all, "get  
>> used
>> to it. Things aren't going to change any time soon."
>>
>>
>> 3. The USA PATRIOT Act
>>
>> Did anyone really think this was going to be temporary? Yes, this
>> disgusting power grab gives the government the right to sneak into  
>> your
>> house, look through all your stuff and not tell you about it for  
>> weeks
>> on a rubber stamp warrant. Yes, they can look at your medical records
>> and library selections. Yes, they can pass along any information they
>> find without probable cause for purposes of prosecution. No, they're
>> not going to take it 

Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICESTATE]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

funny thing, is part of me wants to come home. But i am afraid. Not of 
being in the states. We've been back twice for visits, but of being 
there when they decide to go Nazi on us. It feels very surreal what our 
country is going through. I just wish more people were history buffs so 
they would really have a grip on what is happening.

I'm glad many of you do get it. although maybe being oblivious is better 
when you are powerless to do anything. You definitely seem to get it. 
Leaving is a hard and difficult path. Unfortunately most people are not 
in a position to do it. Daryle, if or when you decide to make a move, 
let me know, so I can share my research. We researched Canada, 6 
countries in Latin America, 5 countries in Asia, and Europe. We talked 
about Africa, as my husband has lived there, but much of it is too 
volatile. If been meeting quite a few African Americans who have done 
it. I have a friend who is going back to the Dominican republic in 
august. He's in the process of selling his property as part of his 
preparation.

Tracey :(

Daryle Lockhart wrote:
> I think of all the options,  YOU've chosen the smartest, Tracey.  
> Personally, I'm considering it for my own family. Staying and  
> fighting implies that there is something to win. Voting does not work  
> when both parties are in it for the same goal. There will  be no  
> action from the people (which, by the way,  is the true democratic  
> solution) until  the people start  going broke en masse. Only another  
> depression is going to snap this nation out of its current  daze.   
> So  long as we all  carry  4 or 5 credit cards and pay  our loans  
> over time we do not believe that  there is a police state. We have  
> flat  panel TVs,  we have cable,  we have designer shoes and big  
> cars.  It's Blade Runner for real, folks. You  can't VOTE  a  
> corporation out of your pocket. You don't unVOTE  a consumer culture.  
> YOu  stop  doing things and start  doing other things. You MAKE  
> things. Or you BUILD things. Or you buy and sell direct. We've been  
> hoodwinked by "convenience" and now here we are...dependent on  
> corporations for our very survival. And we're looking at the  
> President like "we gotta get this guy outta here". And put WHO in? As  
> soon as a Black democrat  comes up  soeaking  truth we will all  find  
> 1 reasons why  he's not the guy,  but somebody  we never heard  
> of  before is.
>
> This list is scary,  but not as scary as watching us build it over  
> the past 6 years.
>
> On Jun 7, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L.  
> Minor) wrote:
>
> i do not know. Everybody is starting to get it, but i think they think
> they can vote these jokers out. I hope they are right, but They have
> been fixing elections for long time and have it down to a science.
> Unless there is some sort of mass rejection of this stuff, I do not know
> what anyone can do. and if there is mass rejection, they have those
> camps they had haliburton built. Many suspect they are for those of us
> to do not accept what they are doing and try to take actions.
>
> Scary times
>
> Tracey
>
> Amy Harlib wrote:
>   
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> This sums it all up in one neat, terrifying package.  What can we  
>> do to
>> fight back?
>>
>> 
>>> AlterNet - Posted on May 26, 2006, Printed on June 1, 2006
>>>
>>>
>>> TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICE STATE
>>> By Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast
>>>
>>> Is the U.S. becoming a police state? Here are the top 10 signs  
>>> that it
>>> may well be the case.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. The Internet Clampdown
>>>
>>> One saving grace of alternative media in this age of unfettered
>>> corporate conglomeration has been the internet. While the masses are
>>> spoon-fed predigested news on TV and in mainstream print  
>>> publications,
>>> the truth-seeking individual still has access to a broad array of
>>> investigative reporting and political opinion via the world-wide web.
>>> Of course, it was only a matter of time before the government  
>>> moved to
>>> patch up this crack in the sky.
>>>
>>> Attempts to regulate and filter internet content are intensifying
>>> lately, coming both from telecommunications corporations (who are
>>> gearing up to pass legislation transferring ownership and  
>>> regulation of
>>> the internet to themselves), and the Pentagon (which issued an
>>> "Information Operations Roadmap"
>>>  in 2003, signed by
>>> Donald Rumsfeld, which outlines tactics such as network attacks and
>>> acknowledges, without suggesting a remedy, that US propaganda planted
>>> in other countries has easily found its way to Americans via the
>>> internet). One obvious tactic clearing the way for stifling  
>>> regulation
>>> of internet content is the growing media frenzy over child  
>>> pornography
>>> and "internet predators," which will surely lead to legislation  
>>> that by
>>> far exceeds in its purview what is nee

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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICESTATE]

[Martin Pratt]

I know how you feel, Tracey. Several friends of mine, including one who's a 
serving Navy officer, are looking at Canada. I'm in the number, too.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
funny thing, is part of me wants to come home. But i am afraid. Not of 
being in the states. We've been back twice for visits, but of being 
there when they decide to go Nazi on us. It feels very surreal what our 
country is going through. I just wish more people were history buffs so 
they would really have a grip on what is happening.

I'm glad many of you do get it. although maybe being oblivious is better 
when you are powerless to do anything. You definitely seem to get it. 
Leaving is a hard and difficult path. Unfortunately most people are not 
in a position to do it. Daryle, if or when you decide to make a move, 
let me know, so I can share my research. We researched Canada, 6 
countries in Latin America, 5 countries in Asia, and Europe. We talked 
about Africa, as my husband has lived there, but much of it is too 
volatile. If been meeting quite a few African Americans who have done 
it. I have a friend who is going back to the Dominican republic in 
august. He's in the process of selling his property as part of his 
preparation.

Tracey :(

Daryle Lockhart wrote:
> I think of all the options, YOU've chosen the smartest, Tracey. 
> Personally, I'm considering it for my own family. Staying and 
> fighting implies that there is something to win. Voting does not work 
> when both parties are in it for the same goal. There will be no 
> action from the people (which, by the way, is the true democratic 
> solution) until the people start going broke en masse. Only another 
> depression is going to snap this nation out of its current daze. 
> So long as we all carry 4 or 5 credit cards and pay our loans 
> over time we do not believe that there is a police state. We have 
> flat panel TVs, we have cable, we have designer shoes and big 
> cars. It's Blade Runner for real, folks. You can't VOTE a 
> corporation out of your pocket. You don't unVOTE a consumer culture. 
> YOu stop doing things and start doing other things. You MAKE 
> things. Or you BUILD things. Or you buy and sell direct. We've been 
> hoodwinked by "convenience" and now here we are...dependent on 
> corporations for our very survival. And we're looking at the 
> President like "we gotta get this guy outta here". And put WHO in? As 
> soon as a Black democrat comes up soeaking truth we will all find 
> 1 reasons why he's not the guy, but somebody we never heard 
> of before is.
>
> This list is scary, but not as scary as watching us build it over 
> the past 6 years.
>
> On Jun 7, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
> Minor) wrote:
>
> i do not know. Everybody is starting to get it, but i think they think
> they can vote these jokers out. I hope they are right, but They have
> been fixing elections for long time and have it down to a science.
> Unless there is some sort of mass rejection of this stuff, I do not know
> what anyone can do. and if there is mass rejection, they have those
> camps they had haliburton built. Many suspect they are for those of us
> to do not accept what they are doing and try to take actions.
>
> Scary times
>
> Tracey
>
> Amy Harlib wrote:
> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> This sums it all up in one neat, terrifying package. What can we 
>> do to
>> fight back?
>>
>> 
>>> AlterNet - Posted on May 26, 2006, Printed on June 1, 2006
>>>
>>>
>>> TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICE STATE
>>> By Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast
>>>
>>> Is the U.S. becoming a police state? Here are the top 10 signs 
>>> that it
>>> may well be the case.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. The Internet Clampdown
>>>
>>> One saving grace of alternative media in this age of unfettered
>>> corporate conglomeration has been the internet. While the masses are
>>> spoon-fed predigested news on TV and in mainstream print 
>>> publications,
>>> the truth-seeking individual still has access to a broad array of
>>> investigative reporting and political opinion via the world-wide web.
>>> Of course, it was only a matter of time before the government 
>>> moved to
>>> patch up this crack in the sky.
>>>
>>> Attempts to regulate and filter internet content are intensifying
>>> lately, coming both from telecommunications corporations (who are
>>> gearing up to pass legislation transferring ownership and 
>>> regulation of
>>> the internet to themselves), and the Pentagon (which issued an
>>> "Information Operations Roadmap"
>>> in 2003, signed by
>>> Donald Rumsfeld, which outlines tactics such as network attacks and
>>> acknowledges, without suggesting a remedy, that US propaganda planted
>>> in other countries has easily found its way to Americans via the
>>> internet). One obvious tactic clearing the way for stifling 
>>> regulation
>>> of internet content is the growing media frenzy over child 
>>> pornography
>>> and "intern

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer?

[Martin Pratt]

Scott can go overe the edge too easily sometimes, but I'm thinking/hoping he 
can control it for a moment.

"Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
We reminds me of robin Williams and Jim Carrey. Both Good and both can 
go overboard and become simply irritating and annoying

Tracey

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yeah, he's got talent, but it's the kind that can veer into irritatingly 
> over-the-top if not handled well. He was stupid as heck in the Rundown, but 
> it worked there. But after that, I keep having nightmare visions of that 
> commercial for "Dukes of Hazzard", where he met an Australian girl and yells 
> "Put another shrimp on the barbie!" at her. Assuming I'd lost my mind and had 
> wanted to see that movie, that one scene alone would have been enough to 
> dissuade me. Well, that, and the one with h big-teeth Jessica Simpson kicking 
> the dude over in a bar, then standing with her foot on him and saying 
> something witty in that horrible Southern accent she faked!
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> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
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> Waaay too goofy and I liked him in that role with rock too
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> Tracey
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>> You don't think Scott might be too goofy for the role? Loved him in that
>> flick with The Rock, though!
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>> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>> Behalf Of Martin Pratt
>> Sent: Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 18:40
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer?
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>> Seann William Scott as Speed, and Vaughan as Detector.
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>> Daryle Lockhart mailto:melaninjitsu%40mac.com> mac.com>
>> wrote: Well, Jamie Foxx has taken enough post-Ray bad advice to qualify for 
>> the role.
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>> On Jun 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, KeithBJohnson@
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>> Not that I have ageism, but Cruise is too old to play Speed, who's 
>> barely into his 20s. Now maybe he can young down to play Racer X, but 
>> I don't see it. Besides, he'd probably insist that his hostage--er, 
>> wife--get the role of Trixie!
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>>> like the cartoon. And who will play Speed i wonder?
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>> Tom Cruise. No, really. This is one of those projects that keep
>> getting mentioned yet never develops. Cruise's peeps kept releasing PR
>> that said he wanted to play Speed.
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Re: [scifinoir2] [Fwd: TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICESTATE]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Except for cost of living being similar to the US, I like Canada. We are 
discussing going there in three years after our business has reached a 
certain level and we are totally out of debt. Leaving corporate America 
caused our salary to drop significantly. Here in Mexico we live like the 
upper class. In Canada, at this time, we would not live so well and it 
would take longer to grow our business. However, we are going to start 
visiting and looking at property next year.

What part of Canada are you thinking of moving to?

Tracey

Martin Pratt wrote:
> I know how you feel, Tracey. Several friends of mine, including one who's a 
> serving Navy officer, are looking at Canada. I'm in the number, too.
>
> "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
> funny thing, is part of me wants to come home. But i am afraid. Not of 
> being in the states. We've been back twice for visits, but of being 
> there when they decide to go Nazi on us. It feels very surreal what our 
> country is going through. I just wish more people were history buffs so 
> they would really have a grip on what is happening.
>
> I'm glad many of you do get it. although maybe being oblivious is better 
> when you are powerless to do anything. You definitely seem to get it. 
> Leaving is a hard and difficult path. Unfortunately most people are not 
> in a position to do it. Daryle, if or when you decide to make a move, 
> let me know, so I can share my research. We researched Canada, 6 
> countries in Latin America, 5 countries in Asia, and Europe. We talked 
> about Africa, as my husband has lived there, but much of it is too 
> volatile. If been meeting quite a few African Americans who have done 
> it. I have a friend who is going back to the Dominican republic in 
> august. He's in the process of selling his property as part of his 
> preparation.
>
> Tracey :(
>
> Daryle Lockhart wrote:
>   
>> I think of all the options, YOU've chosen the smartest, Tracey. 
>> Personally, I'm considering it for my own family. Staying and 
>> fighting implies that there is something to win. Voting does not work 
>> when both parties are in it for the same goal. There will be no 
>> action from the people (which, by the way, is the true democratic 
>> solution) until the people start going broke en masse. Only another 
>> depression is going to snap this nation out of its current daze. 
>> So long as we all carry 4 or 5 credit cards and pay our loans 
>> over time we do not believe that there is a police state. We have 
>> flat panel TVs, we have cable, we have designer shoes and big 
>> cars. It's Blade Runner for real, folks. You can't VOTE a 
>> corporation out of your pocket. You don't unVOTE a consumer culture. 
>> YOu stop doing things and start doing other things. You MAKE 
>> things. Or you BUILD things. Or you buy and sell direct. We've been 
>> hoodwinked by "convenience" and now here we are...dependent on 
>> corporations for our very survival. And we're looking at the 
>> President like "we gotta get this guy outta here". And put WHO in? As 
>> soon as a Black democrat comes up soeaking truth we will all find 
>> 1 reasons why he's not the guy, but somebody we never heard 
>> of before is.
>>
>> This list is scary, but not as scary as watching us build it over 
>> the past 6 years.
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2006, at 11:04 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
>> Minor) wrote:
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>> i do not know. Everybody is starting to get it, but i think they think
>> they can vote these jokers out. I hope they are right, but They have
>> been fixing elections for long time and have it down to a science.
>> Unless there is some sort of mass rejection of this stuff, I do not know
>> what anyone can do. and if there is mass rejection, they have those
>> camps they had haliburton built. Many suspect they are for those of us
>> to do not accept what they are doing and try to take actions.
>>
>> Scary times
>>
>> Tracey
>>
>> Amy Harlib wrote:
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>>> This sums it all up in one neat, terrifying package. What can we 
>>> do to
>>> fight back?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
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 TOP 10 SIGNS OF THE IMPENDING U.S. POLICE STATE
 By Allan Uthman, Buffalo Beast

 Is the U.S. becoming a police state? Here are the top 10 signs 
 that it
 may well be the case.


 1. The Internet Clampdown

 One saving grace of alternative media in this age of unfettered
 corporate conglomeration has been the internet. While the masses are
 spoon-fed predigested news on TV and in mainstream print 
 publications,
 the truth-seeking individual still has access to a broad array of
 investigative reporting and political opinion via the world-wide web.
 Of course, it was only a matter of time before the government 
 moved to
 patch up this crack in the sky.

 Attempts to regulate and filter i

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!

[Martin Pratt]

And I have to disagree with you on that.
   
  Peter's constant money woes, his struggles with classes and families, are 
what made Spidey. He always had the Everyman factor.

Daryle Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  I have to disagree with you guys on this one.

This is Spider man. In the books, Peter's POVERTY is a villian. His 
CLASS schedule. It's time for a movie that doesn't treat the audience 
like a bunch of slow bus children. The character is a broke college 
student who turns broke photographer who turns, eventually, 
underpaid public school teacher. Spider-Man is a hero with complex 
issues and a textured life. The complexity of the character universe 
is what I LIKE about Marvel characters. As far as I'm concerned, 
bring on Mysterio! Who ELSE can we dig up?

On Jun 6, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

I agree. Too much of anything--heroes or villains--can result in an 
unwieldy
film that focuses too little time on any one element. Batman Returns-- 
the
second of the modern flicks--was okay, but it had three villians, and
suffered from a splintered storytelling as a result. But as you said, 
with
a good, tight script maybe...

_

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of g123curious
Sent: Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 17:26
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!

Didn't a certain Batman film have 3 villains? ANd that film sucked.
More isn't necessarily better. I hope that the script for SM3 is
good and that the quantity of villains isn't a coverup for a low
quality script.

George

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> Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!
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> Source: websguy
> June 1, 2006
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> Former Marvel Studios CEO Avi Arad may have let a big one out of
the bag when talking to IFMagazine.com. He says there are four
villains in Spider-Man 3!
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!

[Daryle Lockhart]

Maybe I'm not being  clear, then.

Because that's what I'm saying. the everyday person doesn't just  get  
to deal with one problem at a time.  There are  different things  
coming at us all  from all sides. Life is complex.  Marvel  
characters, at least to me,  always seemed to get that. Marvel  
characters get divorced,  look for work, get beat up, lots of things  
that  a lot of us can relate to. I  think it's time for these movies  
to  get  a little more into  it  and stop  showing these rock'em  
sock'em fights.

On Jun 7, 2006, at 7:19 PM, Martin Pratt wrote:

And I have to disagree with you on that.

Peter's constant money woes, his struggles with classes and families,  
are what made Spidey. He always had the Everyman factor.

Daryle Lockhart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I have to disagree with you guys on this one.

This is Spider man. In the books, Peter's POVERTY is a villian. His
CLASS schedule. It's time for a movie that doesn't treat the audience
like a bunch of slow bus children. The character is a broke college
student who turns broke photographer who turns, eventually,
underpaid public school teacher. Spider-Man is a hero with complex
issues and a textured life. The complexity of the character universe
is what I LIKE about Marvel characters. As far as I'm concerned,
bring on Mysterio! Who ELSE can we dig up?

On Jun 6, 2006, at 5:30 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

I agree. Too much of anything--heroes or villains--can result in an
unwieldy
film that focuses too little time on any one element. Batman Returns--
the
second of the modern flicks--was okay, but it had three villians, and
suffered from a splintered storytelling as a result. But as you said,
with
a good, tight script maybe...

_

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of g123curious
Sent: Tuesday, 06 June, 2006 17:26
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!

Didn't a certain Batman film have 3 villains? ANd that film sucked.
More isn't necessarily better. I hope that the script for SM3 is
good and that the quantity of villains isn't a coverup for a low
quality script.

George

--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 > Four Spider-Man 3 Villains!
 >
 > Source: websguy
 > June 1, 2006
 >
 > Former Marvel Studios CEO Avi Arad may have let a big one out of
the bag when talking to IFMagazine.com. He says there are four
villains in Spider-Man 3!
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Wachowski Bros. Developing Speed Racer?

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

ggghhh to vaughn.  uggghhh blaaah to Cruise.  These people are 
definitely on crack

Tracey

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>> costume, but I just don't see him as Racer X, unless this is a comedy
>> like the cartoon. And who will play Speed i wonder? 
>> 
>
> Tom Cruise. No, really. This is one of those projects that keep 
> getting mentioned yet never develops. Cruise's peeps kept releasing PR 
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