Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Twins separated at birth met and married

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I'm glad you stuck around.  Please jump in more to keep us honest.  I 
think Americans need to be more of the world.  We can only grow and 
learn from having out of the states perspectives in the conversation.
> -- Original message -- 
> From: "Meta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> I have to thank you as well, Tracy. 
> When I joined this list it really was for the sci/fi and while I still
> like that aspect of the list, I stay because even though I've never
> met any of you good people face to face, I feel a kindred with most of
> you. 
> Sometimes I feel left out because of the talk of shows, etc that
> haven't as yet made it this side of the pond, but with all
> the other things that get discussed,debated, etc. I find myself
> here nearly every day. 
> I've learned so much of what is going on in this world and especially
> America from you guys and "I thank you all" for teaching me about
> so many things I didn't know or understand. I may not join in
> many discussions but know that I'm absorbing all the good 'mind food'
> I can here.
>
> Thanks,
> Meta
>
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Thanks guys. I was just thinking scifinoir was no longer a scifi list, 
>> but a life sharing list. I can not take credit for nurturing it, but I 
>> am glad it happened. I think you should be applauding yourselves. 
>>
>> Martin wrote:
>> 
>>> Three cheers for Tracey!
>>>
>>> Hip-hip HOORAY!
>>>
>>> Hip-hip HOORAY!
>>>
>>> Hip-hip HOORAY!
>>>
>>> Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
>>>   
> God bless you, Martin. I think we do that for each other. You
> know, I
>   
>>> played football on a
>>> team in Newark, NJ after I got out of the Air Force. I was
>>>   
> primarily a
>   
>>> defensive safety, and
>>> we were one tough team! And you know where our strength came
>>>   
> from? Each
>   
>>> other.
>>>
>>> See, when we huddled before each play, we held hands. So much
>>>   
> strength and
>   
>>> support flowed
>>> between us...
>>>
>>> That's what I feel here, with all of us. 
>>>
>>> I think it's pretty cool that we started with a shared passion,
>>>   
> and that has
>   
>>> grown into what we have, 
>>> with the passion still our glue, of course.
>>>
>>> And kudos to Mama Tracey for nurturing our deviations from the
>>>   
> main subject,
>   
>>> and allowing us to
>>> become so close...
>>>
>>> Maurice Jennings
>>> Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>>> KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>>> Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation =>
>>>   
> http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
>   
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _ 
>>>
>>> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>>   
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>   
>>> Behalf Of Martin
>>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:55 PM
>>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married
>>>
>>> Reece, your words give me joy every day, and I'm in sore need of
>>>   
> it these
>   
>>> days. I'm beginning to look at you as a role model.
>>>
>>> Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com>
>>>   
> yahoo.com>
>   
>>> wrote: Sigh...I know. I tend to attempt to lighten up potentially
>>> painful/heavy
>>> subjects
>>> with sick humor...a gift I developed during my cop days...LOL!
>>>
>>> And Martin, I know I don't have to say this to you, but I'm sure
>>>   
> you know my
>   
>>> twisted humor is in NO way meant to take anything away from the very
>>> human and touching parts of your life. In fact, they hit home for
>>>   
> me...
>   
>>> I have a son who was born April 15, 1968. I was preparing to head
>>>   
> to the
>   
>>> Philippines.
>>>
>>> He was born David William Jennings. At 8 months, he was adopted,
>>>   
> and his
>   
>>> name
>>> was changed. I won't put it here. You never know...well, until
>>>   
> 1998, I had
>   
>>> no idea
>>> what his adopted name was, or anything about him. Then I stumbled
>>>   
> across
>   
>>> his mother.
>>> We had a brief connection in 1967 (what a choice of word!) that
>>>   
> lead to her
>   
>>> pregnancy. 
>>>
>>> I did a search of his name on the fledgling internet, and 2 names
>>>   
> popped up.
>   
>>> A VERY unique
>>> first and last name helped, so I called the Junior name. My son
>>>   
> answered,
>   
>>> and I gently probed
>>> until I found out he had no idea that I existed. So...I dropped the
>>> 'F'-bomb (FATHER) on him.
>>>
>>> "I am your biological father." I gave him information about me.
>>>   
> He, of
>   
>>> course, was blown out.
>>> He said he couldn't talk right then. About 5 hours later I
>>>   
> received a phone
>   
>>> call from a very blunt,
>>> intense woman. She grilled me about his mother, our meeting,
>>>   
> where the mom
>   
>>> was from...during the
>>> conversatio

RE: [scifinoir2] Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network

[Astromancer]

Some of it would be rated M-14...Some of Lillie's Brood is pretty racy!

Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Man, I would LOVE to see 
some of Ms. Butler's works on the screen! 
But only if they're done by the right people!

Maurice Jennings
Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
 




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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:39 PM
To: SciFi Noir
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network

Well, now we know where to pitch the Octavia Butler stories.

On 1/15/08 6:32 PM, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> (the Yahoo! teaser read: "As if she wasn't powerful enough..."
> w.t.f.?)
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> http://tv.yahoo.

com/contributor/30579/news/urn:newsml:tv.ap.org:200801
> 15:tv_oprah_channel__ER:63569
> 
> Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network
> By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer
> Tue Jan 15, 9:39 AM PST
> 
> Oprah Winfrey is getting her own TV network.
> 
> Discovery Communications and Winfrey announced a deal Tuesday where
> the Discovery Health network will be turned over to Winfrey next
> year, becoming OWN -- the Oprah Winfrey Network.
> 
> The cash-free transaction involved Winfrey turning over her Web site
> to Discovery, while the communications company makes her chairman of
> the network, which is currently seen in 68 million homes, said David
> Zaslav, Discovery Communications chief.
> 
> "The focus of the channel will be the focus of Oprah's brand, which
> is the educate and inspire people to live the best life they can,"
> Zaslav said.
> 
> Some of Winfrey's stable of regular contributors could be expected to
> be part of the programming, he said. Winfrey's current talk show, as
> well as rights to use of reruns, is spoken for until the end of the
> 2010-11 season.
> 
> Besides hosting syndication's top-rated talk show, Winfrey puts out
> her own magazine.
> 
> 
> 

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say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say 
something that interests the Community, and you really, really don’t want to 
get them interested." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie
   
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RE: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married

[Astromancer]

You forgot Iced tea (GAG!!)

Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Na...that would be Mint 
Juleps!

Maurice Jennings
Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:32 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married

Now that is a bit too stereotypical for the bunch I ran into, but I will say
that they had their ideas about northern-born blacks...By the way, I love
lemonade...you don't think that had anything to do with my mom being from
Georgia, do you?

KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net wrote: just
seems so quaint and Southern, sitting in the parlour talking. Had y'all not
be cousins, next thing you would have ended up on the swing chair on the
front porch, sippin' lemonade!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Come on man! a stranger has come over to see your daughter...I have no
problem with that at all...Besides, I thought it was kind of adorable to
have family members that protective of you...I guess we'd end up going to a
movie or something...

KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net wrote: Wow,
sounds like something from a soap opera!
Out of curiousity, why was Moms listening in to your conversation in the
other room? This being Savannah and all, were y'all gonna go courtin' in the
front parlour??!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
I feel you. Keith...When I was stationed in South Carolina, one of the guys
in my unit set me up with a girl in neighboring Savannah, Georgia, his home
town. So we went to her house and were introduced. "Where or you from?" she
asked me. "I'm from Chicago," I replied. "Wow, I have an aunt Clara who
lives, there," she said excitedly. "Really? so do I," I said in kind "What's
her last name?"
"Carter," was her answer. I stopped cold.
"Um...by chance do you have any relatives named Bynes?" I asked.
"Yes," she answered.
"What about Badie?"
"Why, yes!"
Oh boy, I thought.
"Well, it's a pleasure to meet you, cousin!"
Her mom, who was listening in the other room stuck her head out, along with
her brother. We all had a good laugh that day, but I never dated another
girl in Savannah, because I fond that I was practically related to the
entire city! Meanwhile, David, my buddy sat there saying "Oh no!" So I think
I have an idea of how you felt... 

KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net wrote:
When I graduate from high school, my mom sat me down one day and said "I
want to show you a picture". She showed me a snapshot of a Black girl
attending what I later found out was a Jack and Jill Ball. "She's gorgeous!"
I exclaimed. "Who is she?"

"That's your half sister", mom replied.

She went on to tell me that now that I was going to be leaving home, she
wanted to make sure I didn't accidentally run into my half sister and have
something like the story below happen. My birth day had about nine kids
outside of my and my siblings by my birth mom, and I've never met any of
them. Since this particular half-sister was my age and going to college in
the general area, Mom wanted to make sure i recognized her in case we met.
Since there were still a lot of other siblings of my running around I didn't
know, when my wife Phyllis and I met, there were a lot of questions about
her parentage just to be safe.

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 

> Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:50pm EST 
> 
> LONDON (Reuters) - A couple discovered after they had married that they 
> were twins who had been split up at birth and adopted by separate 
> families, according to a member of Britain's House of Lords. 
> 
> British peer David Alton recounted the story to parliament last month to 
> support his argument that artificially conceived children should be told 
> who their biological parents are. 
> 
> Alton said he had heard the story of the separated twins from a High 
> Court judge who had dealt with the case. 
> 
> "This did not involve in vitro fertilization: It involved the normal 
> birth of twins who were separated at birth and adopted by separate 
> parents," said Alton, an independent member of the Lords. "They were 
> never told that they were twins." 
> 
> "They met later in life and felt an inevitable attraction, and the judge 
> had to deal with the consequences of the marriage that they entered into 
> and all the issues of their separation," he said. 
> 
> "I suspect that it will be a matter of litigation in the future if we do 
> not make information of this kind available to children who have been 
> donor-conceived," he said. 
> 
> Alt

RE: [scifinoir2] Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network

[Astromancer]

Some of it would be rated M-14...Some of Lillie's Brood is pretty racy!

Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Man, I would LOVE to see 
some of Ms. Butler's works on the screen! 
But only if they're done by the right people!

Maurice Jennings
Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
 




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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:39 PM
To: SciFi Noir
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network

Well, now we know where to pitch the Octavia Butler stories.

On 1/15/08 6:32 PM, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> (the Yahoo! teaser read: "As if she wasn't powerful enough..."
> w.t.f.?)
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> http://tv.yahoo.

com/contributor/30579/news/urn:newsml:tv.ap.org:200801
> 15:tv_oprah_channel__ER:63569
> 
> Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network
> By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer
> Tue Jan 15, 9:39 AM PST
> 
> Oprah Winfrey is getting her own TV network.
> 
> Discovery Communications and Winfrey announced a deal Tuesday where
> the Discovery Health network will be turned over to Winfrey next
> year, becoming OWN -- the Oprah Winfrey Network.
> 
> The cash-free transaction involved Winfrey turning over her Web site
> to Discovery, while the communications company makes her chairman of
> the network, which is currently seen in 68 million homes, said David
> Zaslav, Discovery Communications chief.
> 
> "The focus of the channel will be the focus of Oprah's brand, which
> is the educate and inspire people to live the best life they can,"
> Zaslav said.
> 
> Some of Winfrey's stable of regular contributors could be expected to
> be part of the programming, he said. Winfrey's current talk show, as
> well as rights to use of reruns, is spoken for until the end of the
> 2010-11 season.
> 
> Besides hosting syndication's top-rated talk show, Winfrey puts out
> her own magazine.
> 
> 
> 

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"Akin, but no matter what you think, I am concerned for your life, so I’ll only 
say this once; if you talk too much or ask too many questions, you might say 
something that interests the Community, and you really, really don’t want to 
get them interested." - The Side Street Chonicles by C.W. Badie
   
-
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Twins separated at birth met and married

[Reece Jennings]

Meta:
 
Where is home for you?
 
 Maurice Jennings
Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Meta
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:40 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Twins separated at birth met and married



I have to thank you as well, Tracy. 
When I joined this list it really was for the sci/fi and while I still
like that aspect of the list, I stay because even though I've never
met any of you good people face to face, I feel a kindred with most of
you. 
Sometimes I feel left out because of the talk of shows, etc that
haven't as yet made it this side of the pond, but with all
the other things that get discussed,debated, etc. I find myself
here nearly every day. 
I've learned so much of what is going on in this world and especially
America from you guys and "I thank you all" for teaching me about
so many things I didn't know or understand. I may not join in
many discussions but know that I'm absorbing all the good 'mind food'
I can here.

Thanks,
Meta


--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com,
"Tracey de Morsella (formerly
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks guys. I was just thinking scifinoir was no longer a scifi list, 
> but a life sharing list. I can not take credit for nurturing it, but I 
> am glad it happened. I think you should be applauding yourselves. 
> 
> Martin wrote:
> > Three cheers for Tracey!
> >
> > Hip-hip HOORAY!
> >
> > Hip-hip HOORAY!
> >
> > Hip-hip HOORAY!
> >
> > Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
God bless you, Martin. I think we do that for each other. You
know, I
> > played football on a
> > team in Newark, NJ after I got out of the Air Force. I was
primarily a
> > defensive safety, and
> > we were one tough team! And you know where our strength came
from? Each
> > other.
> > 
> > See, when we huddled before each play, we held hands. So much
strength and
> > support flowed
> > between us...
> > 
> > That's what I feel here, with all of us. 
> > 
> > I think it's pretty cool that we started with a shared passion,
and that has
> > grown into what we have, 
> > with the passion still our glue, of course.
> > 
> > And kudos to Mama Tracey for nurturing our deviations from the
main subject,
> > and allowing us to
> > become so close...
> > 
> > Maurice Jennings
> > Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> > KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
> > Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation =>
http://www.legacyho  mesavers.com
> >  mesavers.com/> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _ 
> > 
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com]
On
> > Behalf Of Martin
> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:55 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]  ups.com
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married
> > 
> > Reece, your words give me joy every day, and I'm in sore need of
it these
> > days. I'm beginning to look at you as a role model.
> > 
> > Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com>
> > wrote: Sigh...I know. I tend to attempt to lighten up potentially
> > painful/heavy
> > subjects
> > with sick humor...a gift I developed during my cop days...LOL!
> > 
> > And Martin, I know I don't have to say this to you, but I'm sure
you know my
> > twisted humor is in NO way meant to take anything away from the very
> > human and touching parts of your life. In fact, they hit home for
me...
> > 
> > I have a son who was born April 15, 1968. I was preparing to head
to the
> > Philippines.
> > 
> > He was born David William Jennings. At 8 months, he was adopted,
and his
> > name
> > was changed. I won't put it here. You never know...well, until
1998, I had
> > no idea
> > what his adopted name was, or anything about him. Then I stumbled
across
> > his mother.
> > We had a brief connection in 1967 (what a choice of word!) that
lead to her
> > pregnancy. 
> > 
> > I did a search of his name on the fledgling internet, and 2 names
popped up.
> > A VERY unique
> > first and last name helped, so I called the Junior name. My son
answered,
> > and I gently probed
> > until I found out he had no idea that I existed. So...I dropped the
> > 'F'-bomb (FATHER) on him.
> > 
> > "I am your biological father." I gave him information about me.
He, of
> > course, was blown out.
> > He said he couldn't talk right then. About 5 hours later I
received a phone
> > call from a very blunt,
> > intense woman. She grilled me about his mother, our meeting,
where the mom
> > was from...during the
> 

[scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight

[tetsuwanatom1]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If this current incarnation of John Connor is to lead a revolution he 
needs to man up. He's a wee whiny.
>
> So I watched the second episode last night and...and so I like 
Summer Glau
> (I already liked her in Firefly) -- but I think this is totally a 
one season
> show. 
> 
> 
> On 1/15/08 9:16 AM, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers 
strike. it
> > wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in 
my
> > hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy.
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
> > KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight,
> > after "Prison Break". I think this might be its regular time 
slot, now
> > that K*ville has been cancelled
> >> > 
> >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >> >
> > 
> >  
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Entertainers in Steroid Report

[tetsuwanatom1]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
Clef took roids in a vain attempt to move his hairline forward.


> Hold on...why do we care that Mary J Blige has taken steroids 
again? She
> can¹t stay in key with or withOUT Œem. Is this satire?
> 
> 
> On 1/15/08 6:36 PM, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > R&B music star Mary J. Blige, rap musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and
> > Wyclef Jean, and award-winning author and producer Tyler Perry 
(say
> > it ain't so!)
> > 
> > ~rave!
> > 
> > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U5PVS00&show_article=1
> > 
> > 
> > ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - A number of entertainers were named in 
connection
> > with an Albany-based steroid investigation, but they are not part 
of
> > an ongoing criminal probe, according to a published report.
> > The Times Union of Albany cited unidentified law enforcement
> > officials in reporting Sunday that R&B music star Mary J. Blige, 
rap
> > musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and Wyclef Jean, and award-winning
> > author and producer Tyler Perry may have received or used 
performance-
> > enhancing drugs. 
> > 
> > Law enforcement officials have said evidence does not indicate 
that
> > the celebrities broke the law, but that investigators are 
focusing on
> > doctors, pharmacists and clinics that provide the drugs.
> > 
> > Albany District Attorney P. David Soares launched the 
investigation
> > into steroid trafficking last year.
> > 
> > Soares is "not confirming, denying or discussing any of the names"
> > involved in the investigation, said spokeswoman Heather Streeter
> > Orth. 
> > 
> > A spokeswoman for Blige denied the singer had taken illegal 
steroids.
> > 
> > Ken Sunshine, a spokesman for Perry, declined to comment.
> > 
> > There was no response to calls Sunday and Monday seeking comment 
from
> > representatives of other entertainers.
> > 
> > While athletes use steroids and human growth hormone to get 
bigger,
> > faster and stronger, the drugs can also lure other people with 
their
> > supposed anti-aging qualities.
> > 
> > Soares' multistate investigation has focused on Signature 
Pharmacy of
> > Orlando, Fla. So far, 10 defendants have pleaded guilty and news
> > reports have linked some professional athletes to Soares' probe.
> > 
> > Soares has said Signature was at the center of a web of businesses
> > and doctors that illegally wrote prescriptions for steroids.
> > Authorities raided the company almost a year ago and its owners 
and
> > operators are awaiting trial in Albany on related charges.
> > 
> > Records shared with the Times Union and information from several
> > cooperating witnesses on Long Island allege the celebrities 
received
> > prescribed human growth hormone or steroids, the newspaper said.
> > 
> > The newspaper said that Blige received the human growth hormone
> > Jentropin and Oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid, in orders sent to 
her
> > at the Beverly Hills Hotel.
> > 
> > Her spokeswoman denounced the report. "Mary J. Blige has never 
taken
> > any performance enhancing illegal steroids," Karynne Tencer told 
the
> > Daily News. 
> > 
> > Former Sen. George Mitchell released a report last month on
> > performance-enhancing drugs in baseball. That report said former 
Mets
> > clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski provided steroids and human 
growth
> > hormone linked to several prominent players. Radomski pleaded 
guilty
> > last year to charges that he dealt steroids to players for a 
decade.
> > 
> > Congressional hearings are to begin this month on the Mitchell
> > report. 
> > 
> > Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
> > material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or 
redistributed.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Smith co-stars in sci-fi movie

[tetsuwanatom1]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

More importantly, why the need to SPECIFY it's a stepson?

NFN, I saw the original again a few nights ago. Rennie's 
constant, "Oh you silly humans" mugging is quaint. I wonder what 
Reeves can do with the role. 

Also, I hope Gort is bad ass.
>
> true, but why add a black child nd then give us anothe absent 
father? it's time to make a statement! :)
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> 
> Well, have you seen the original? There IS no sign of the father. 
His mom
> is dating some dude. They live in a boarding house, where Klaatu 
also has a
> room.
> 
> On 1/15/08 12:03 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > okay, so the Black kid has a white stepmom. Dare i hope her Black 
husband is
> > going to be *alive* in the film and survive to the end of the 
movie?
> > 
> > -- Original message --
> > From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >  >
> > 
> > source: Hollywood Reporter
> > 
> > Smith down to 'Earth' for sci-fi re-do
> > 
> > By Leslie Simmons
> > 
> > Jan 15, 2008
> > Jaden Smith has landed a part in Fox's sci-fi thriller "The Day 
the Earth
> > Stood Still."
> > 
> > Smith will play the rebellious Jacob, the 8-year-old stepson of 
scientist
> > Helen Benson (Jennifer Connelly) who first makes contact with the 
humanoid
> > alien Klaatu (Keanu Reeves). Kathy Bates and Golden Globe winner 
Jon Hamm
> > also star.
> > 
> > Scott Derrickson is directing the contemporary reinvention of the 
1951 Fox
> > classic being produced by Erwin Stoff, Gregory Goodman and Paul 
Boardman. It
> > is filming in Vancouver.
> > 
> > David Scarpa penned the screenplay about Klaatu's arrival on 
Earth that
> > triggers a global upheaval as governments and scientists race to 
unravel the
> > mystery behind his appearance.
> > 
> > Smith's Jacob and stepmother Helen get caught up in Klaatu's 
mission,
> > coming to understand the ramifications of his being a self-
described "friend
> > to the Earth."
> > 
> > The 9-year-old is the son of Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith. He
> > co-starred in 2006 with his father in "The Pursuit of Happyness," 
for which
> > he won a Teen Choice Award and an MTV Movie Award.
> > 
> > Smith is repped by WMA's Nicole David and Overbrook Management's 
James
> > Lassiter and Miguel Melendez.
> > 
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
>  
> 
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[scifinoir2] Studios Issue Pink Slips to Producers

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Studios Issue Pink Slips to Producers
Not even Hugh Jackman can dance his way out of this one...
by Travis Fickett
http://tv.ign.com/articles/845/845796p1.html
January 15, 2008 - With the writers' strike in its 11th week, studios 
are looking for a way to cut costs. This has come down in the form of 
"termination letters" to a wide array of writers and producers. What's 
being terminated in this case are "overall" deals – which are 
arrangements with studios in which writers or producers give the studio 
first crack at their projects while the studio pays a fee and overhead 
expenses (like staff and development costs). An awful lot of those deals 
are being ended. Among the terminated is Hugh Jackman, who was a 
producer on the much maligned and quickly cancelled Viva Laughlin.

Other producers to get cut from their respective studios – according to 
Daily Variety – include Kevin Falls (Journeyman), Barry Schindel 
(Numbers), Larry Kaplow (K-Ville), Matt Silverstein and Dave Jesser 
(Drawn Together and the upcoming Unhitched), David Guarascio and Moses 
Port (Aliens in America), Peter Horton (Dirty Sexy Money), and others. 
In total – and this is only so far – 75 deals have been cut across town.

To be clear, this does not mean these shows have been cancelled. It just 
means that development deals have been terminated, effectively ending 
studios' current relationship with those writers or producers. How such 
a massive cleaning of house will affect the development of future 
television projects is unclear, but it's a fairly dramatic (and some 
would argue drastic) volley fired by the AMPTP over the WGA's bow.

RE: [scifinoir2] Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network

[Reece Jennings]

Man, I would LOVE to see some of Ms. Butler's works on the screen! 
But only if they're done by the right people!
 
 Maurice Jennings
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Daryle
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 6:39 PM
To: SciFi Noir
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network




Well, now we know where to pitch the Octavia Butler stories.

On 1/15/08 6:32 PM, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 com> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> (the Yahoo! teaser read: "As if she wasn't powerful enough..."
> w.t.f.?)
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> http://tv.yahoo.

com/contributor/30579/news/urn:newsml:tv.ap.org:200801
> 15:tv_oprah_channel__ER:63569
> 
> Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network
> By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer
> Tue Jan 15, 9:39 AM PST
> 
> Oprah Winfrey is getting her own TV network.
> 
> Discovery Communications and Winfrey announced a deal Tuesday where
> the Discovery Health network will be turned over to Winfrey next
> year, becoming OWN -- the Oprah Winfrey Network.
> 
> The cash-free transaction involved Winfrey turning over her Web site
> to Discovery, while the communications company makes her chairman of
> the network, which is currently seen in 68 million homes, said David
> Zaslav, Discovery Communications chief.
> 
> "The focus of the channel will be the focus of Oprah's brand, which
> is the educate and inspire people to live the best life they can,"
> Zaslav said.
> 
> Some of Winfrey's stable of regular contributors could be expected to
> be part of the programming, he said. Winfrey's current talk show, as
> well as rights to use of reruns, is spoken for until the end of the
> 2010-11 season.
> 
> Besides hosting syndication's top-rated talk show, Winfrey puts out
> her own magazine.
> 
> 
> 

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[scifinoir2] Connor Terminates Competitors

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Fox's Jan. 13 debut of Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles scored 
the best opening-night demographic ratings of any new show in three 
years, Variety reported.

Boosted by strong marketing and a big NFL-playoffs lead-in, the Warner 
Brothers TV-produced Terminator notched a 7.6 rating/18 share among 
adults 18-49 and delivered some 18.3 million viewers with its one-hour 
debut on Sunday at 8, preliminary Nielsen national data showed.

The pilot gave Fox its best premiere numbers for a scripted show in 
eight years, since Malcolm in the Middle became an instant hit on a 
Sunday night in January 2000. Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles 
moved into its regular Monday 9 p.m. timeslot on Jan. 14.
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RE: [scifinoir2] Smith co-stars in sci-fi movie

[Reece Jennings]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
(choking and laughing with ironic glee!)
 
 Maurice Jennings
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 12:03 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Smith co-stars in sci-fi movie



okay, so the Black kid has a white stepmom. Dare i hope her Black husband is
going to be *alive* in the film and survive to the end of the movie?

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
media.com> 

source: Hollywood Reporter

Smith down to 'Earth' for sci-fi re-do

By Leslie Simmons 

Jan 15, 2008
Jaden Smith has landed a part in Fox's sci-fi thriller "The Day the Earth
Stood Still."

Smith will play the rebellious Jacob, the 8-year-old stepson of scientist
Helen Benson (Jennifer Connelly) who first makes contact with the humanoid
alien Klaatu (Keanu Reeves). Kathy Bates and Golden Globe winner Jon Hamm
also star.

Scott Derrickson is directing the contemporary reinvention of the 1951 Fox
classic being produced by Erwin Stoff, Gregory Goodman and Paul Boardman. It
is filming in Vancouver.

David Scarpa penned the screenplay about Klaatu's arrival on Earth that
triggers a global upheaval as governments and scientists race to unravel the
mystery behind his appearance.

Smith's Jacob and stepmother Helen get caught up in Klaatu's mission,
coming to understand the ramifications of his being a self-described "friend
to the Earth."

The 9-year-old is the son of Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith. He
co-starred in 2006 with his father in "The Pursuit of Happyness," for which
he won a Teen Choice Award and an MTV Movie Award.

Smith is repped by WMA's Nicole David and Overbrook Management's James
Lassiter and Miguel Melendez.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married

[Reece Jennings]

Na...that would be Mint Juleps!
 
 Maurice Jennings
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Astromancer
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 11:32 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married



Now that is a bit too stereotypical for the bunch I ran into, but I will say
that they had their ideas about northern-born blacks...By the way, I love
lemonade...you don't think that had anything to do with my mom being from
Georgia, do you?

KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net wrote: just
seems so quaint and Southern, sitting in the parlour talking. Had y'all not
be cousins, next thing you would have ended up on the swing chair on the
front porch, sippin' lemonade!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Come on man! a stranger has come over to see your daughter...I have no
problem with that at all...Besides, I thought it was kind of adorable to
have family members that protective of you...I guess we'd end up going to a
movie or something...

KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net wrote: Wow,
sounds like something from a soap opera!
Out of curiousity, why was Moms listening in to your conversation in the
other room? This being Savannah and all, were y'all gonna go courtin' in the
front parlour??!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
I feel you. Keith...When I was stationed in South Carolina, one of the guys
in my unit set me up with a girl in neighboring Savannah, Georgia, his home
town. So we went to her house and were introduced. "Where or you from?" she
asked me. "I'm from Chicago," I replied. "Wow, I have an aunt Clara who
lives, there," she said excitedly. "Really? so do I," I said in kind "What's
her last name?"
"Carter," was her answer. I stopped cold.
"Um...by chance do you have any relatives named Bynes?" I asked.
"Yes," she answered.
"What about Badie?"
"Why, yes!"
Oh boy, I thought.
"Well, it's a pleasure to meet you, cousin!"
Her mom, who was listening in the other room stuck her head out, along with
her brother. We all had a good laugh that day, but I never dated another
girl in Savannah, because I fond that I was practically related to the
entire city! Meanwhile, David, my buddy sat there saying "Oh no!" So I think
I have an idea of how you felt... 

KeithBJohnson@  comcast.net wrote:
When I graduate from high school, my mom sat me down one day and said "I
want to show you a picture". She showed me a snapshot of a Black girl
attending what I later found out was a Jack and Jill Ball. "She's gorgeous!"
I exclaimed. "Who is she?"

"That's your half sister", mom replied.

She went on to tell me that now that I was going to be leaving home, she
wanted to make sure I didn't accidentally run into my half sister and have
something like the story below happen. My birth day had about nine kids
outside of my and my siblings by my birth mom, and I've never met any of
them. Since this particular half-sister was my age and going to college in
the general area, Mom wanted to make sure i recognized her in case we met.
Since there were still a lot of other siblings of my running around I didn't
know, when my wife Phyllis and I met, there were a lot of questions about
her parentage just to be safe.

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 

> Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:50pm EST 
> 
> LONDON (Reuters) - A couple discovered after they had married that they 
> were twins who had been split up at birth and adopted by separate 
> families, according to a member of Britain's House of Lords. 
> 
> British peer David Alton recounted the story to parliament last month to 
> support his argument that artificially conceived children should be told 
> who their biological parents are. 
> 
> Alton said he had heard the story of the separated twins from a High 
> Court judge who had dealt with the case. 
> 
> "This did not involve in vitro fertilization: It involved the normal 
> birth of twins who were separated at birth and adopted by separate 
> parents," said Alton, an independent member of the Lords. "They were 
> never told that they were twins." 
> 
> "They met later in life and felt an inevitable attraction, and the judge 
> had to deal with the consequences of the marriage that they entered into 
> and all the issues of their separation," he said. 
> 
> "I suspect that it will be a matter of litigation in the future if we do 
> not make information of this kind available to children who have been 
> donor-conceived," he said. 
> 
> Alton could not immediately be reached for comment and no further 
> info

RE: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married

[Reece Jennings]

Tracey, moderators wield a lot more influence than we sometimes believe.  I
belong to a police group where
debate is squashed if it leads off of police topics.  It got so bad that a
splinter group was formed just FOR
off-topic stuff, fun stuff, support stuff, etc.  The good thing is that the
splinter group allows some graphics and
reasonable file downloads.  I like that we don't because no viruses get
passed...

I don't know about everybody else, but I used to think twice, and sometimes
agonize about posting non-skiffy
(I learned a new word!) subjects.  But as we got to know you, and you us, it
became easier.  I think we also
do a good job of monitoring ourselves so we don't get silly (especially me!)
with what we discuss.

I was especially impressed with your tete a' tete with Amy.  You could have
EASILY played the Queen Moderator
card and cut off discussion.  But you were surely above that, and I enjoyed
seeing that side of you!  :o)

Tray-CEEE! 


 Maurice Jennings
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-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 10:56 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married

Thanks guys.  I was just thinking scifinoir was no longer a scifi list, but
a life sharing list.  I can not take credit for nurturing it, but I am glad
it happened.  I think you should be applauding yourselves. 

Martin wrote:
> Three cheers for Tracey!
>
> Hip-hip HOORAY!
>
> Hip-hip HOORAY!
>
> Hip-hip HOORAY!
>
> Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
God bless you, Martin.  I think we do that for each other.  You know, I
>  played football on a
>  team in Newark, NJ after I got out of the Air Force.  I was primarily 
> a  defensive safety, and  we were one tough team!  And you know where 
> our strength came from?  Each  other.
>   
>  See, when we huddled before each play, we held hands.  So much 
> strength and  support flowed  between us...
>   
>  That's what I feel here, with all of us. 
>   
>  I think it's pretty cool that we started with a shared passion, and 
> that has  grown into what we have,  with the passion still our glue, 
> of course.
>   
>  And kudos to Mama Tracey for nurturing our deviations from the main 
> subject,  and allowing us to  become so close...
>   
>   Maurice Jennings
>  Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
>  KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
>  Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation => 
> http://www.legacyhomesavers.com  
>   
>   
>   
>  
>  _
>  
>  From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On  Behalf Of Martin
>  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:55 PM
>  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married
>  
>  Reece, your words give me joy every day, and I'm in sore need of it 
> these  days. I'm beginning to look at you as a role model.
>  
>  Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com> 
> yahoo.com>
>  wrote: Sigh...I know. I tend to attempt to lighten up potentially  
> painful/heavy  subjects  with sick humor...a gift I developed during 
> my cop days...LOL!
>  
>  And Martin, I know I don't have to say this to you, but I'm sure you 
> know my  twisted humor is in NO way meant to take anything away from 
> the very  human and touching parts of your life. In fact, they hit home
for me...
>  
>  I have a son who was born April 15, 1968. I was preparing to head to 
> the  Philippines.
>  
>  He was born David William Jennings. At 8 months, he was adopted, and 
> his  name  was changed. I won't put it here. You never know...well, 
> until 1998, I had  no idea  what his adopted name was, or anything 
> about him. Then I stumbled across  his mother.
>  We had a brief connection in 1967 (what a choice of word!) that lead 
> to her  pregnancy.
>  
>  I did a search of his name on the fledgling internet, and 2 names popped
up.
>  A VERY unique
>  first and last name helped, so I called the Junior name. My son 
> answered,  and I gently probed  until I found out he had no idea that 
> I existed. So...I dropped the  'F'-bomb (FATHER) on him.
>  
>  "I am your biological father." I gave him information about me. He, 
> of  course, was blown out.
>  He said he couldn't talk right then. About 5 hours later I received a 
> phone  call from a very blunt,  intense woman. She grilled me about 
> his mother, our meeting, where the mom  was from...during the  
> conversation...I mean interrogation...I figured that she was his wife. 
> It  wasn't like she didn't give me clues...
>  "What are you to my husband?" was a big one! After about 30 minutes, 
> I  guess she saw that I wasn't t

Re: [scifinoir2] [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

[KeithBJohnson]

maybe i should post my recent adventures with Comcast to this site. Yeah, it's 
all nuts. I recently have started wondering, how much time and resources to 
companies devote to creating intentionally muddled and tricky services and 
languages to get over on us? Recently I purchased a new washing machine from 
Lowes. The sales sticker bragged "10% off ,and free delivery". Well, I bought 
it, and sure enough, I got the 10% off. Of course, the salesman tells me i got 
it just under the wire, as the sale was ending that day, and for a change I 
didn't read the exception in the micro print where the disclaimers are listed. 
When  i pay for it, I then get a bunch of paper from the lady ringing me up. 
When I ask what it is, she says "that's your free delivery discount".
"Free delivery discount?" I asked, "I thought it was already free". 
"Oh no", was the answer, "you have to mail this to the address listed, then in 
4 - 6 weeks we'll refund the cost of delivery. But for now you have to pay for 
it". 

So, like those refunds from Best buy, the onus is now on me to be sure to mail 
this to Lowes, then follow up on it in 4 -6 weeks so they can't claim it never 
arrived. And of course, they're hoping I'll forget so they don't have to give 
back money they never should have taken.

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

[source: MediaPost TV Board]

Too Much Information -- Or Is Obfuscation The Preferred Policy?
by Mitch Oscar, Tuesday, January 15, 2008

I'm a Comcast customer. Recently, included in my monthly billing statement
was an "IMPORTANT Information" alert about Service, Installation & Equipment
Prices for myself and my neighbors:

Level of Service 

Current Price

Basic (3,5) 
$15.95 

New Price February 1, 2008
$17.95 

Expanded Basic Service

$36.04 

$36.54 

Standard Cable (2,3)

$51.99 

$54.49 

Digital Starter (4)

$55.98 

$58.48 

1) The minimum level of cable service you may purchase is BASIC SERVICE. As
a cable customer, you must purchase BASIC SERVICE to subscribe to any other
video service offered by Comcast Service, programming and equipment are
subject to availability. All pricing, programming channel locations are
subject to change. Please call 1-866-660-6137 for further information. The
purchase of premium channels, packages and a la carte services including iN
DEMAND, Pay-Per-View and Channel 1 On Demand) requires the appropriate
equipment (c)2008 Comcast. All Rights Reserved.

2) The price for Standard Cable includes Basic Service and Expanded Basic
Service.

3) A cable box/converter may not be necessary to view Basic Service or
Standard Cable. Please visit www.comcast.com/cablebox or call 1-866-660-6137
for further information.

4) Digital Starter includes Standard Cable, a discounted Digital Cable Box,
a remote control, Interactive Program Guide, MusicChoice and limited Channel
1 On Demand content. To upgrade to a discounted high definition cable box
and remote control, an additional $6 equipment fee is required.

5) Discount available to subscribers who are age 65+ and not more than 1
person under age 65 in household. Customers must complete and submit
application to Comcast Cable at 21 Old Route 6, Carmel, New York 10512.
Restrictions apply.

I'm fine with all this information, although I must admit that the fine
print didn't really help clarify exactly what I was getting for my dough.
Being the curious type of guy that I am, with trepidation I turned to the
next page and the next and the next -- and then my head imploded. Too many
pricing choices, each with its own arcane definition. Take a look for
yourself (left and right, at two out of the three pages. Perhaps this
printed exercise was meant to satiate the government as well as obfuscate
instead of clarify. Beats me. Don't get me wrong -- I enjoy my Comcast
service (though I wish my HD/DVR wouldn't freeze up so often and the set top
box would be cooler than a hot griddle). However, there must be an easier,
more inviting way to communicate viewing and service options to consumers.

Then again, I should be thankful that the Comcast services pricing litany
was at least in decipherable English. You should see my family plan monthly
wireless billing statement...

Mitch Oscar is executive vice president, director of CaratDigital, Carat
North America. 



 

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[scifinoir2] Clarence B. Jones: Lest We Forget - Civil rights and The Election

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

The Clinton vs. Obama contest for the Democratic ticket of the upcoming 
residential race raises some provocative issues when reflecting on the 
Women's Movement and the African American community. So much so that a 
recent comment by Senator Hillary Clinton about it taking President 
Lyndon B. Johnson's signing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 for Dr. 
King's dream to be realized ("It took a president to get it done," 
stated Senator Clinton) was viewed by many as racially insensitive and a 
major gaffe. The comment has further sparked a national debate and has 
become, for now, a focal point of an already white hot, volatile 
political contest. It's no surprise that Dr. King's name and the Civil 
Rights Movement have been invoked into this discussion. I suspect that 
it won't be the last time either. Aside from Abraham Lincoln and the 
Emancipation Proclamation, Dr. King, with whom I worked closely as 
personal counsel, advisor and draft speechwriter for much of the Civil 
Rights Movement, may have done more to achieve social, political and 
economic justice in America than any other event or person in the 
previous 400 years. So, as we approach November 2008, the burning 
question has been and will remain: What will it be? The historic 
opportunity to elect the first woman or first African American male as 
president of the United States.

There are few white women for whom I have more respect than Gloria 
Steinem, an ideological Godmother of the women's movement. In a recent 
op-ed column in the New York Times about the Obama vs. Clinton contest 
for the Democratic Party's nominee for President of the United States 
("Women Are Never Front-Runners," January 8, 2008), Ms. Steinem's 
lifelong advocacy for gender equality appears to have become politically 
transformed into an advocacy of gender preferential treatment or 
implicit "female entitlement."

I am 77 years old, male and black. My experience in our country, as an 
African-American, and the reality of American history contravenes the 
assumption underlying Ms Steinem's thesis: women in the United States 
have been equally or more oppressed, excluded and discriminated against 
than African American men, writing in her op-ed, "Gender is probably the 
most restricting force in American life, whether the question is who 
must be in the kitchen or who could be in the White House." As evidence 
she cites the historical fact that "Black men were given the vote a 
half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot..." 
That historical anomaly standing alone, however, obscures the reality 
that white middle class women, as a group, have been one of the 
principal beneficiaries of Dr. King's legacy of struggle for racial 
justice and gender equality.

Further, the forefathers and foremothers of white middle class women in 
America did not endure the Middle Passage, chattel slavery by 
predecessor governments to our current government, the failure of 
Reconstruction, segregation, and years of racial injustice in our 
country. African-Americans are the heirs of a past of rope, fire and 
murder, sanctioned by institutionalized racism throughout the history of 
our country. As such, the election of an African American male to the 
presidency of the United States, under the reality of this unique 
American experience, is or would not be any less of an event or 
"historical first" than the election of a middle class white woman as 
President of the United States.

Which brings me to Senator Clinton's recent comments, presumably, to 
contrast her qualifications for president with those of Senator Obama, 
comparing herself to President Lyndon Johnson with the words, "It took a 
president to get it done." My longevity as a personal counsel and a 
draft speech writer for my beloved friend, Martin Luther King, Jr., has 
blessed me with the memory and the obligation of a living witness. The 
challenge confronting me and others, who worked with Dr. King, is how to 
set the record straight without appearing to third parties, especially 
the media, to be playing the so-called "race card". The absence of such 
raced based politics is what may be part of the unexpected broad appeal 
of the Obama candidacy.

I would like to remind all the candidates that this is the week of Dr. 
King's 79th birthday. Distorted application or misappropriation of his 
legacy for self serving political purposes by any candidate besmirches 
this legacy. Less there be some question about the roles of Martin 
Luther King and President Lyndon Johnson, let me "make it plain": the 
passage of the 1964 Civil Rights Act was not principally because of 
President Lyndon B. Johnson. It was because of Martin Luther King, Jr. 
LBJ was only responding to what Martin often said, quoting Victor Hugo 
in Les Miserables, that "There is one thing stronger than all the armies 
in the world and that is an idea whose time has come." The passage of 
the 1964 Civil Rights Act was "an idea whose time h

[scifinoir2] Fw: FW: msnbc.com - BREAKING NEWS: Nevada Supreme Court rules NBC can block Kucinich from debate

[Amy Harlib]

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The SCHMUCKS!

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now also up on the website. 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Twins separated at birth met and married

[KeithBJohnson]

i forgot, where on that side of the pond do you live?

-- Original message -- 
From: "Meta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I have to thank you as well, Tracy. 
When I joined this list it really was for the sci/fi and while I still
like that aspect of the list, I stay because even though I've never
met any of you good people face to face, I feel a kindred with most of
you. 
Sometimes I feel left out because of the talk of shows, etc that
haven't as yet made it this side of the pond, but with all
the other things that get discussed,debated, etc. I find myself
here nearly every day. 
I've learned so much of what is going on in this world and especially
America from you guys and "I thank you all" for teaching me about
so many things I didn't know or understand. I may not join in
many discussions but know that I'm absorbing all the good 'mind food'
I can here.

Thanks,
Meta


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks guys. I was just thinking scifinoir was no longer a scifi list, 
> but a life sharing list. I can not take credit for nurturing it, but I 
> am glad it happened. I think you should be applauding yourselves. 
> 
> Martin wrote:
> > Three cheers for Tracey!
> >
> > Hip-hip HOORAY!
> >
> > Hip-hip HOORAY!
> >
> > Hip-hip HOORAY!
> >
> > Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
God bless you, Martin. I think we do that for each other. You
know, I
> > played football on a
> > team in Newark, NJ after I got out of the Air Force. I was
primarily a
> > defensive safety, and
> > we were one tough team! And you know where our strength came
from? Each
> > other.
> > 
> > See, when we huddled before each play, we held hands. So much
strength and
> > support flowed
> > between us...
> > 
> > That's what I feel here, with all of us. 
> > 
> > I think it's pretty cool that we started with a shared passion,
and that has
> > grown into what we have, 
> > with the passion still our glue, of course.
> > 
> > And kudos to Mama Tracey for nurturing our deviations from the
main subject,
> > and allowing us to
> > become so close...
> > 
> > Maurice Jennings
> > Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> > KEEP your home and Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
> > Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation =>
http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _ 
> > 
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> > Behalf Of Martin
> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:55 PM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married
> > 
> > Reece, your words give me joy every day, and I'm in sore need of
it these
> > days. I'm beginning to look at you as a role model.
> > 
> > Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com>
> > wrote: Sigh...I know. I tend to attempt to lighten up potentially
> > painful/heavy
> > subjects
> > with sick humor...a gift I developed during my cop days...LOL!
> > 
> > And Martin, I know I don't have to say this to you, but I'm sure
you know my
> > twisted humor is in NO way meant to take anything away from the very
> > human and touching parts of your life. In fact, they hit home for
me...
> > 
> > I have a son who was born April 15, 1968. I was preparing to head
to the
> > Philippines.
> > 
> > He was born David William Jennings. At 8 months, he was adopted,
and his
> > name
> > was changed. I won't put it here. You never know...well, until
1998, I had
> > no idea
> > what his adopted name was, or anything about him. Then I stumbled
across
> > his mother.
> > We had a brief connection in 1967 (what a choice of word!) that
lead to her
> > pregnancy. 
> > 
> > I did a search of his name on the fledgling internet, and 2 names
popped up.
> > A VERY unique
> > first and last name helped, so I called the Junior name. My son
answered,
> > and I gently probed
> > until I found out he had no idea that I existed. So...I dropped the
> > 'F'-bomb (FATHER) on him.
> > 
> > "I am your biological father." I gave him information about me.
He, of
> > course, was blown out.
> > He said he couldn't talk right then. About 5 hours later I
received a phone
> > call from a very blunt,
> > intense woman. She grilled me about his mother, our meeting,
where the mom
> > was from...during the
> > conversation...I mean interrogation...I figured that she was his
wife. It
> > wasn't like she didn't give me clues...
> > "What are you to my husband?" was a big one! After about 30
minutes, I
> > guess she saw that I wasn't the 
> > least bit defensive, I answered every painful question she had.
So she
> > handed the phone to my son.
> > 
> > We talked, shared information, laughed, and marveled at how
parallel our
> > lives were. That is the ONLY
> > conversation we have ever had. It was summer 1998. I have sent
him letters
> > and pictures, and he has
> > responded with the same. It turns out

Re: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Horror

[Gymfig]

 
In a message dated 1/15/2008 8:00:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Do they have a list of the movies where the black guy dies first?

JJ Mohareb

I did not see one. 



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Re: [scifinoir2] Blacks in Horror

[Justin Mohareb]

Do they have a list of the movies where the black guy dies first?

JJ Mohareb


On Jan 15, 2008 8:00 AM,  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> _http://blackhorrormovies.com/whatsnew.htm_
>  (http://blackhorrormovies.com/whatsnew.htm)




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Re: [scifinoir2] Iraq Vets Killing Stateside

[KeithBJohnson]

that's what i wonder about. As Ken Burns (and others) have shown, war is war, 
and war is hell. Any man or woman fighting in any conflict gets scarred. But 
when it comes to the modern conflicts--Vietnam on--we hear about guys going 
nuts, becoming homeless, killing their wives, etc.  Is the fact truly that 
modern conflicts are producing more people with psychological problems, or did 
the older war vets simply not talk about it? Ken Burns said that when he heard 
the incredible stories of the men interviewed for "The War" he asked them the 
question "Why in the world haven't you spoken about this before?" They usually 
replied "You just didn't talk about it. You buried it and went on with your 
life".

What has changed, I wonder?

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Keith, I can't answer your question on whether or not Korea turned out damaged 
souls or not, but I can say this. My paternal step-grandfather and maternal 
grandfather and great-uncles all served in Korea, and none of them would talk 
about it. *Ever*.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good point you raise: is there any empirical data for 
the percentage of vets with post-traumatic stress from each war that led became 
debilitating, and how many from each war turned to violent or even psychotic 
behaviour? The cliche has always been that the Doughboys and GIs of WWI and 
WWII had it rough, but were so loved when they came back that they settled into 
life nicely. (Ken Burns' latest documentary turns that idea on its head insofar 
as WWII is concerned). Not sure what the scuttlebutt is on Korea, but Vietnam 
has long been the poster child for turning nice young boys into psycho killers.

I'm curious as to how each "war" compares in terms of the psychological 
casualties it produced in this country?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Just like the Nam vets...just like Korea and WWII...In short, this is not a 
revelation and it seems as if we'll never learn our lesson...

Amy Harlib wrote: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is what happens when vets are not given proper re-adjustment to 
civilian life programs, neglect as serious as the neglect of their health 
care. Indicts the Bush administration all the more. That is the real 
criminal - Bush and his policies!
Amy

Subject: [scifinoir2] Iraq Vets Killing Stateside

Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles
By DEBORAH SONTAG and LIZETTE ALVAREZ
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/us/13vets.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
Late one night in the summer of 2005, Matthew Sepi, a 20-year-old Iraq
combat veteran, headed out to a 7-Eleven in the seedy Las Vegas
neighborhood where he had settled after leaving the Army.

This particular 7-Eleven sits in the shadow of the Stratosphere
casino-hotel in a section of town called the Naked City. By day, the
area, littered with malt liquor cans, looks depressed but not menacing.
By night, it becomes, in the words of a local homicide detective, “like
Falluja.”

Mr. Sepi did not like to venture outside too late. But, plagued by
nightmares about an Iraqi civilian killed by his unit, he often needed
alcohol to fall asleep. And so it was that night, when, seized by a gut
feeling of lurking danger, he slid a trench coat over his slight frame —
and tucked an assault rifle inside it.

“Matthew knew he shouldn’t be taking his AK-47 to the 7-Eleven,”
Detective Laura Andersen said, “but he was scared to death in that
neighborhood, he was military trained and, in his mind, he needed the
weapon to protect himself.”

Head bowed, Mr. Sepi scurried down an alley, ignoring shouts about
trespassing on gang turf. A battle-weary grenadier who was still legally
under-age, he paid a stranger to buy him two tall cans of beer, his
self-prescribed treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder.

As Mr. Sepi started home, two gang members, both large and both armed,
stepped out of the darkness. Mr. Sepi said in an interview that he spied
the butt of a gun, heard a boom, saw a flash and “just snapped.”

In the end, one gang member lay dead, bleeding onto the pavement. The
other was wounded. And Mr. Sepi fled, “breaking contact” with the enemy,
as he later described it. With his rifle raised, he crept home, loaded
180 rounds of ammunition into his car and drove until police lights
flashed behind him.

“Who did I take fire from?” he asked urgently. Wearing his Army
camouflage pants, the diminutive young man said he had been ambushed and
then instinctively “engaged the targets.” He shook. He also cried.

“I felt very bad for him,” Detective Andersen said.

Nonetheless, Mr. Sepi was booked, and a local newspaper soon reported:
“Iraq veteran arrested in killing.”

Town by town across the country, headlines have been telling similar
stories. Lakewood, Wash.: “Family Blames Iraq After Son Kills Wife.”
Pierre, S.D.: “Soldier Charged With Murder Testifies About Postwar
Stress.

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight

[KeithBJohnson]

it's good, but not groundbreaking, inspiring, or even as action-packed and 
attention grabbing as, say, the first episode of "Lost"

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Because Faux/Fixed/Fox has deemed it so. They've been hyping this since August. 
It's ingrained in the minds of the sheeple- "This will be good. It must be 
seen."

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, I agree. I kept thinking that the twelve (?) eps 
they made should just be a self-contained miniseries and be done with it. The 
always on the run theme, the fact that a muscular dude in leather and boots 
will show up every week to menace them, the Terminator (the good one) doing the 
Data thing of learning what it is to be human--i can't see that past a few eps 
having any staying power.

Why is it being so acclaimed and buzzed about?

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
So I watched the second episode last night and...and so I like Summer Glau
(I already liked her in Firefly) -- but I think this is totally a one season
show. 

On 1/15/08 9:16 AM, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers strike. it
> wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in my
> hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight,
> after "Prison Break". I think this might be its regular time slot, now
> that K*ville has been cancelled
>> > 
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> 
> 
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[scifinoir2] Re: Entertainers in Steroid Report

[ravenadal]

Well, the question is...in the instance of a 50 cent...for 
instance...did he gain an unfair advantage by benefit of his steroid 
induced muscles?  Has Mary J's career been enhanced through her posh 
steroid assisted makeover and was some other worthy diva...say, Kelly 
Price...hurt by it?  If not, is this use of steroids by actors and 
artists less morally bankrupt than when athletes do it?

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> Hold on...why do we care that Mary J Blige has taken steroids 
again? She
> can¹t stay in key with or withOUT Œem. Is this satire?
> 
> 
> On 1/15/08 6:36 PM, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >  
> >  
> >  
> > 
> > R&B music star Mary J. Blige, rap musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and
> > Wyclef Jean, and award-winning author and producer Tyler Perry 
(say
> > it ain't so!)
> > 
> > ~rave!
> > 
> > http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U5PVS00&show_article=1
> > 
> > 
> > ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - A number of entertainers were named in 
connection
> > with an Albany-based steroid investigation, but they are not part 
of
> > an ongoing criminal probe, according to a published report.
> > The Times Union of Albany cited unidentified law enforcement
> > officials in reporting Sunday that R&B music star Mary J. Blige, 
rap
> > musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and Wyclef Jean, and award-winning
> > author and producer Tyler Perry may have received or used 
performance-
> > enhancing drugs. 
> > 
> > Law enforcement officials have said evidence does not indicate 
that
> > the celebrities broke the law, but that investigators are 
focusing on
> > doctors, pharmacists and clinics that provide the drugs.
> > 
> > Albany District Attorney P. David Soares launched the 
investigation
> > into steroid trafficking last year.
> > 
> > Soares is "not confirming, denying or discussing any of the names"
> > involved in the investigation, said spokeswoman Heather Streeter
> > Orth. 
> > 
> > A spokeswoman for Blige denied the singer had taken illegal 
steroids.
> > 
> > Ken Sunshine, a spokesman for Perry, declined to comment.
> > 
> > There was no response to calls Sunday and Monday seeking comment 
from
> > representatives of other entertainers.
> > 
> > While athletes use steroids and human growth hormone to get 
bigger,
> > faster and stronger, the drugs can also lure other people with 
their
> > supposed anti-aging qualities.
> > 
> > Soares' multistate investigation has focused on Signature 
Pharmacy of
> > Orlando, Fla. So far, 10 defendants have pleaded guilty and news
> > reports have linked some professional athletes to Soares' probe.
> > 
> > Soares has said Signature was at the center of a web of businesses
> > and doctors that illegally wrote prescriptions for steroids.
> > Authorities raided the company almost a year ago and its owners 
and
> > operators are awaiting trial in Albany on related charges.
> > 
> > Records shared with the Times Union and information from several
> > cooperating witnesses on Long Island allege the celebrities 
received
> > prescribed human growth hormone or steroids, the newspaper said.
> > 
> > The newspaper said that Blige received the human growth hormone
> > Jentropin and Oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid, in orders sent to 
her
> > at the Beverly Hills Hotel.
> > 
> > Her spokeswoman denounced the report. "Mary J. Blige has never 
taken
> > any performance enhancing illegal steroids," Karynne Tencer told 
the
> > Daily News. 
> > 
> > Former Sen. George Mitchell released a report last month on
> > performance-enhancing drugs in baseball. That report said former 
Mets
> > clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski provided steroids and human 
growth
> > hormone linked to several prominent players. Radomski pleaded 
guilty
> > last year to charges that he dealt steroids to players for a 
decade.
> > 
> > Congressional hearings are to begin this month on the Mitchell
> > report. 
> > 
> > Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
> > material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or 
redistributed.
> > 
> >  
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>

[scifinoir2] The Comic Book Page

[ravenadal]

Check it out.

http://www.comicbookpage.com/

Re: [scifinoir2] Entertainers in Steroid Report

[Daryle]

Hold on...why do we care that Mary J Blige has taken steroids again? She
can¹t stay in key with or withOUT Œem. Is this satire?


On 1/15/08 6:36 PM, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> R&B music star Mary J. Blige, rap musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and
> Wyclef Jean, and award-winning author and producer Tyler Perry (say
> it ain't so!)
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U5PVS00&show_article=1
> 
> 
> ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - A number of entertainers were named in connection
> with an Albany-based steroid investigation, but they are not part of
> an ongoing criminal probe, according to a published report.
> The Times Union of Albany cited unidentified law enforcement
> officials in reporting Sunday that R&B music star Mary J. Blige, rap
> musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and Wyclef Jean, and award-winning
> author and producer Tyler Perry may have received or used performance-
> enhancing drugs. 
> 
> Law enforcement officials have said evidence does not indicate that
> the celebrities broke the law, but that investigators are focusing on
> doctors, pharmacists and clinics that provide the drugs.
> 
> Albany District Attorney P. David Soares launched the investigation
> into steroid trafficking last year.
> 
> Soares is "not confirming, denying or discussing any of the names"
> involved in the investigation, said spokeswoman Heather Streeter
> Orth. 
> 
> A spokeswoman for Blige denied the singer had taken illegal steroids.
> 
> Ken Sunshine, a spokesman for Perry, declined to comment.
> 
> There was no response to calls Sunday and Monday seeking comment from
> representatives of other entertainers.
> 
> While athletes use steroids and human growth hormone to get bigger,
> faster and stronger, the drugs can also lure other people with their
> supposed anti-aging qualities.
> 
> Soares' multistate investigation has focused on Signature Pharmacy of
> Orlando, Fla. So far, 10 defendants have pleaded guilty and news
> reports have linked some professional athletes to Soares' probe.
> 
> Soares has said Signature was at the center of a web of businesses
> and doctors that illegally wrote prescriptions for steroids.
> Authorities raided the company almost a year ago and its owners and
> operators are awaiting trial in Albany on related charges.
> 
> Records shared with the Times Union and information from several
> cooperating witnesses on Long Island allege the celebrities received
> prescribed human growth hormone or steroids, the newspaper said.
> 
> The newspaper said that Blige received the human growth hormone
> Jentropin and Oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid, in orders sent to her
> at the Beverly Hills Hotel.
> 
> Her spokeswoman denounced the report. "Mary J. Blige has never taken
> any performance enhancing illegal steroids," Karynne Tencer told the
> Daily News. 
> 
> Former Sen. George Mitchell released a report last month on
> performance-enhancing drugs in baseball. That report said former Mets
> clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski provided steroids and human growth
> hormone linked to several prominent players. Radomski pleaded guilty
> last year to charges that he dealt steroids to players for a decade.
> 
> Congressional hearings are to begin this month on the Mitchell
> report. 
> 
> Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This
> material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
> 
>  
> 




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Re: [scifinoir2] Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network

[Daryle]

Well,  now we know where to  pitch the Octavia Butler stories.

On 1/15/08 6:32 PM, "ravenadal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> (the Yahoo! teaser read: "As if she wasn't powerful enough..."
> w.t.f.?)
> 
> ~rave!
> 
> http://tv.yahoo.com/contributor/30579/news/urn:newsml:tv.ap.org:200801
> 15:tv_oprah_channel__ER:63569
> 
> Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network
> By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer
> Tue Jan 15, 9:39 AM PST
>  
> Oprah Winfrey is getting her own TV network.
> 
> Discovery Communications and Winfrey announced a deal Tuesday where
> the Discovery Health network will be turned over to Winfrey next
> year, becoming OWN -- the Oprah Winfrey Network.
> 
> The cash-free transaction involved Winfrey turning over her Web site
> to Discovery, while the communications company makes her chairman of
> the network, which is currently seen in 68 million homes, said David
> Zaslav, Discovery Communications chief.
> 
> "The focus of the channel will be the focus of Oprah's brand, which
> is the educate and inspire people to live the best life they can,"
> Zaslav said.
> 
> Some of Winfrey's stable of regular contributors could be expected to
> be part of the programming, he said. Winfrey's current talk show, as
> well as rights to use of reruns, is spoken for until the end of the
> 2010-11 season.
> 
> Besides hosting syndication's top-rated talk show, Winfrey puts out
> her own magazine.
> 
>  
> 




[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[scifinoir2] Entertainers in Steroid Report

[ravenadal]

R&B music star Mary J. Blige, rap musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and 
Wyclef Jean, and award-winning author and producer Tyler Perry (say 
it ain't so!)

~rave!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8U5PVS00&show_article=1

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - A number of entertainers were named in connection 
with an Albany-based steroid investigation, but they are not part of 
an ongoing criminal probe, according to a published report. 
The Times Union of Albany cited unidentified law enforcement 
officials in reporting Sunday that R&B music star Mary J. Blige, rap 
musicians 50 Cent, Timbaland and Wyclef Jean, and award-winning 
author and producer Tyler Perry may have received or used performance-
enhancing drugs. 

Law enforcement officials have said evidence does not indicate that 
the celebrities broke the law, but that investigators are focusing on 
doctors, pharmacists and clinics that provide the drugs. 

Albany District Attorney P. David Soares launched the investigation 
into steroid trafficking last year. 

Soares is "not confirming, denying or discussing any of the names" 
involved in the investigation, said spokeswoman Heather Streeter 
Orth. 

A spokeswoman for Blige denied the singer had taken illegal steroids. 

Ken Sunshine, a spokesman for Perry, declined to comment. 

There was no response to calls Sunday and Monday seeking comment from 
representatives of other entertainers. 

While athletes use steroids and human growth hormone to get bigger, 
faster and stronger, the drugs can also lure other people with their 
supposed anti-aging qualities. 

Soares' multistate investigation has focused on Signature Pharmacy of 
Orlando, Fla. So far, 10 defendants have pleaded guilty and news 
reports have linked some professional athletes to Soares' probe. 

Soares has said Signature was at the center of a web of businesses 
and doctors that illegally wrote prescriptions for steroids. 
Authorities raided the company almost a year ago and its owners and 
operators are awaiting trial in Albany on related charges. 

Records shared with the Times Union and information from several 
cooperating witnesses on Long Island allege the celebrities received 
prescribed human growth hormone or steroids, the newspaper said. 

The newspaper said that Blige received the human growth hormone 
Jentropin and Oxandrolone, an anabolic steroid, in orders sent to her 
at the Beverly Hills Hotel. 

Her spokeswoman denounced the report. "Mary J. Blige has never taken 
any performance enhancing illegal steroids," Karynne Tencer told the 
Daily News. 

Former Sen. George Mitchell released a report last month on 
performance-enhancing drugs in baseball. That report said former Mets 
clubhouse attendant Kirk Radomski provided steroids and human growth 
hormone linked to several prominent players. Radomski pleaded guilty 
last year to charges that he dealt steroids to players for a decade. 

Congressional hearings are to begin this month on the Mitchell 
report. 



Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This 
material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[scifinoir2] Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network

[ravenadal]

(the Yahoo! teaser read: "As if she wasn't powerful enough..." 
w.t.f.?)

~rave!

http://tv.yahoo.com/contributor/30579/news/urn:newsml:tv.ap.org:200801
15:tv_oprah_channel__ER:63569

Oprah Winfrey getting her own TV network
By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer 
Tue Jan 15, 9:39 AM PST
 
Oprah Winfrey is getting her own TV network.

Discovery Communications and Winfrey announced a deal Tuesday where 
the Discovery Health network will be turned over to Winfrey next 
year, becoming OWN -- the Oprah Winfrey Network.

The cash-free transaction involved Winfrey turning over her Web site 
to Discovery, while the communications company makes her chairman of 
the network, which is currently seen in 68 million homes, said David 
Zaslav, Discovery Communications chief.

"The focus of the channel will be the focus of Oprah's brand, which 
is the educate and inspire people to live the best life they can," 
Zaslav said.

Some of Winfrey's stable of regular contributors could be expected to 
be part of the programming, he said. Winfrey's current talk show, as 
well as rights to use of reruns, is spoken for until the end of the 
2010-11 season.

Besides hosting syndication's top-rated talk show, Winfrey puts out 
her own magazine.

[scifinoir2] [OT] Comcast's new rates -- say wha?

[Daryle]

[source: MediaPost TV Board]

Too Much Information -- Or Is Obfuscation The Preferred Policy?
by Mitch Oscar, Tuesday, January 15, 2008

I'm a Comcast customer. Recently, included in my monthly billing statement
was an "IMPORTANT Information" alert about Service, Installation & Equipment
Prices for myself and my neighbors:

Level of Service 

Current Price
 
Basic (3,5) 
$15.95 

New Price February 1, 2008
$17.95 

Expanded Basic Service

$36.04 

$36.54 

Standard Cable (2,3)

$51.99 

$54.49 

Digital Starter (4)

$55.98 

$58.48 



1) The minimum level of cable service you may purchase is BASIC SERVICE. As
a cable customer, you must purchase BASIC SERVICE to subscribe to any other
video service offered by Comcast Service, programming and equipment are
subject to availability. All pricing, programming channel locations are
subject to change. Please call 1-866-660-6137 for further information. The
purchase of premium channels, packages and a la carte services including iN
DEMAND, Pay-Per-View and Channel 1 On Demand) requires the appropriate
equipment (c)2008 Comcast. All Rights Reserved.



2) The price for Standard Cable includes Basic Service and Expanded Basic
Service.



3) A cable box/converter may not be necessary to view Basic Service or
Standard Cable. Please visit www.comcast.com/cablebox or call 1-866-660-6137
for further information.



4) Digital Starter includes Standard Cable, a discounted Digital Cable Box,
a remote control, Interactive Program Guide, MusicChoice and limited Channel
1 On Demand content. To upgrade to a discounted high definition cable box
and remote control, an additional $6 equipment fee is required.



5) Discount available to subscribers who are age 65+ and not more than 1
person under age 65 in household. Customers must complete and submit
application to Comcast Cable at 21 Old Route 6, Carmel, New York 10512.
Restrictions apply.



I'm fine with all this information, although I must admit that the fine
print didn't really help clarify exactly what I was getting for my dough.
Being the curious type of guy that I am, with trepidation I turned to the
next page and the next and the next -- and then my head imploded. Too many
pricing choices, each with its own arcane definition. Take a look for
yourself (left and right, at two out of the three pages. Perhaps this
printed exercise was meant to satiate the government as well as obfuscate
instead of clarify. Beats me. Don't get me wrong -- I enjoy my Comcast
service (though I wish my HD/DVR wouldn't freeze up so often and the set top
box would be cooler than a hot griddle). However, there must be an easier,
more inviting way to communicate viewing and service options to consumers.

Then again, I should be thankful that the Comcast services pricing litany
was at least in decipherable English. You should see my family plan monthly
wireless billing statement...


Mitch Oscar is executive vice president, director of CaratDigital, Carat
North America. 
 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Obama fairy tale has Chicago-size hole

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I just wish that the choices were not so dirty.  I still think that 
Obama is the less of the two evils and that Edwards is even less evil 
than Obama and the Clintons.  But that is not saying much.   You forget, 
I'm the one that this morning raised the issue of all the bizarre 
accidental deaths and suicides that happened to anyone testifying 
against the Clintons.  I think both Obama and Edwards are lambs compared 
to the Clintons.   I'm just wishing for a clean democrat to elect and 
that is not going to happen

B. Smith wrote:
> Illinois politics are pretty rotten but I've lived in several states 
> and worked with state government on a variety of things and most are 
> pretty much the same. Obama isn't a choirboy but he isn't Michael 
> Madigan or Richard Daley either.
>
> Let's not forget that Hillary doesn't want the "right wing media" to 
> start putting out those stories of her time as First Lady in Arkansas 
> and Washington again. Whitewater, Commoditygate, the file scandal, 
> Vin Foster and the rest isn't buried that deep in peoples' minds and 
> her life in New York politics hasn't been squeaky clean either.
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
> Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> Scary, but not surprising
>>
>> ravenadal wrote:
>> 
>>> www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-
>>>   
> kass_09jan09,0,4588673.column
>   
>>> chicagotribune.com
>>> Obama fairy tale has Chicago-size hole
>>> John Kass
>>>
>>> January 9, 2008
>>>
>>>  Prospective First Laddie Bill Clinton bought into the fairy tale 
>>> theme Tuesday in New Hampshire, wondering why the media doesn't 
>>>   
> treat 
>   
>>> Sen. Barack Obama as harshly as we treat his wife.
>>>
>>> "Give me a break," Bill said, stumping for Sen. Hillary Clinton's 
>>> presidential campaign. "This whole thing is the biggest fairy 
>>>   
> tale 
>   
>>> I've ever seen."
>>>
>>> Normally, politicians whining about media treatment can't be 
>>>   
> taken 
>   
>>> seriously. But today, President Clinton, though the earth may 
>>>   
> crack 
>   
>>> open and devour me, it appears you're absolutely correct:
>>>
>>> The Clintons are indeed the victims of a Vast Left Wing [Media] 
>>> Conspiracy.
>>>
>>> Who knows why, exactly? As surveys have suggested, most reporters 
>>>   
> are 
>   
>>> Democrats, and many covering the campaign must be pouring their 
>>> collective liberal guilt into the vessel that is Obama.
>>>
>>> Either way, all this pro-Barack hope and change and excitement, 
>>>   
> all 
>   
>>> these delicious, Barack-inspired comparisons to the Kennedys and 
>>> Camelot and Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., it's all quite 
>>>   
> overwhelming, 
>   
>>> until you consider what's been cut out:
>>>
>>> That Obama is only a few short years removed from taking orders 
>>>   
> in 
>   
>>> Springfield, in the Illinois State Senate, and you know how clean 
>>> Illinois politics is.
>>>
>>> So as we wait for Obama to transform our politics, let's hold our 
>>> breath and see who turns purple first. That'll give me time to 
>>> apologize to Sen. Clinton about that "white witch" crack over the 
>>> weekend.
>>>
>>> Last Sunday, I dipped my fingertips into fairyland analogies, 
>>>   
> into 
>   
>>> C.S. Lewis' land of Narnia, describing Obama as a gentle forest 
>>>   
> faun, 
>   
>>> the Mr. Tumnus of the Democratic primaries, the one national 
>>> political character who gets media hugs from almost everybody.
>>>
>>> I like Obama, but I won't apologize for comparing him to a kind 
>>>   
> and 
>   
>>> beloved faun. He is indeed the Mr. Tumnus of American politics, 
>>> gently offering free tea and cakes to all Americans, all the free 
>>> stuff that won't cost us anything (unless you're a taxpayer).
>>>
>>> He doesn't play a flute, but he sure makes great speeches, and 
>>>   
> you 
>   
>>> can see that infectious, charismatic Tumnusotude on TV.
>>>
>>> But, blinded by Obama, I foolishly used the "white witch" analogy 
>>>   
> for 
>   
>>> Sen. Clinton.
>>>
>>> So I apologize to her, and not just because my wife told me to. 
>>>   
> Women 
>   
>>> have it hard enough without foolish "white witch" analogies. I 
>>>   
> went 
>   
>>> too far, I shouldn't have done it, and besides, Hillary had that 
>>> emotional moment at the diner the other day, and you probably 
>>>   
> won't 
>   
>>> believe me, but it melted my frozen heart.
>>>
>>> I think it was an absolutely sincere moment. And even though a 
>>> politician would use everything -- even a sincere moment -- the 
>>>   
> fact 
>   
>>> is that Hillary Clinton let her guard down, finally, and stopped 
>>> being icy.
>>>
>>> This doesn't mean I agree with her. I disagree with her on just 
>>>   
> about 
>   
>>> everything. But she has been running as a candidate, in the 
>>>   
> arena, 
>   
>>> for years. And as she campaigns, Obama gets

Re: [scifinoir2] Jobs Announces Super-Thin MacBook Air

[Daryle]

Yeah I saw this. It¹s basically iPod Mega, and though this is a great
machine for kids and students,  I would wait until they fix what¹s wrong
with this one (like the battery life on a machine that turns on when it
opens -- or is left open,which is pretty likely on a machine one inch thick)
and re-release it for $900 in colors you actually want.

And don¹t miss THIS part, folks:

³The machine doesn't come with a built-in optical drive for reading CDs
> and DVDs, a feature Jobs says consumers won't miss because they can
> download movies and music over the Internet and access the optical
drives on other PCs and Macs to install new software.²

Screech so wait. You can install and RUN software from another computer
on your wireless network on this new Macbook? Are you MAD?!! Go Go Gadget
PIRACY! This is one of the craziest things I¹ve heard in a long time, and
this is EXACTLY why the music industry is mad at Apple. Here comes Microsoft
halting  development  of Office for Mac because peple won¹t need to  buy it
anymore. All I need is to go to Starbucks and find someone with the program
on their HD,  upload,  install -- and boom. $800 in software for the cost
of a latte.

I have been an Apple person since the 80s but this is not the Apple
Computer, Inc. I signed on for.

I may be using that HP TX 1200 soon, folks. But uhm...hold the Vista.


On 1/15/08 3:03 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> ASAN FRANCISCO ‹ Apple Inc. Chief Executive Steve Jobs took the wraps
> off a super-slim new laptop at Macworld Tuesday, unveiling a personal
> computer less than an inch thick that turns on the moment it's opened.
> 
> Jobs also confirmed the tech giant's foray into online movie rentals,
> revealing an alliance with all six major movie studios to offer films
> over high-speed Internet connections 30 days after they're released on DVD.
> 
> Always a showman, Jobs unwound the string on a standard-sized manila
> office envelope and slid out the ultra-thin MacBook Air notebook
> computer to coos and peals of laughter from fans at the conference.
> 
> At its beefiest, the new computer is .76 inches thick; at its thinnest,
> it's .16 inches, he said. It comes standard with an 80-gigabyte hard
> drive, with the option of a 64GB flash-based solid state drive as an
> upgrade.
> The machine doesn't come with a built-in optical drive for reading CDs
> and DVDs, a feature Jobs says consumers won't miss because they can
> download movies and music over the Internet and access the optical
> drives on other PCs and Macs to install new software. They can buy an
> external drive, however, that will retail for $99.
> 
> Trading in Apple stock was heavy Tuesday, the first day of the Macworld
> Conference & Expo in San Francisco. It fell 5.52 percent to $168.91 at
> midday.
> 
> The new laptop, which has a 13.3-inch screen and full-sized laptop
> keyboard, will cost $1,799 when it goes on sale in two weeks, though
> Apple is taking orders now. The company's Web site is already touting
> the machine. The price is competitive with other laptops in its market
> segment.
> 
> The machine helps fortify Apple's already-sizzling Macintosh product
> lineup and burnish its polished image as a purveyor of cool.
> 
> Apple's Macintosh business hit record sales of 7 million units in the
> company's fiscal 2007, up more than 30 percent from the previous year.
> 
> After hovering for years with a 2 percent to 3 percent share of the
> personal computer market in the United States, Apple's slice has grown
> to almost 8 percent, making it the nation's third-largest PC vendor,
> according to the latest figures from market researcher Gartner Inc.
> 
> Other revelations during Jobs' keynote address reflected the
> Cupertino-based company's intensifying efforts to push deeper into
> consumers' living rooms with technologies that blend Internet technology
> into home entertainment devices.
> 
> The movie-rental announcement capped months of speculation that an Apple
> movie rental service was in the offing. The service launched Tuesday in
> the United States and will roll out internationally later this year.
> 
> Apple will have more than 1,000 movies for online rental through iTunes
> by the end of February, with prices of $2.99 for older movies and $3.99
> for new releases. Users can watch instantly over a broadband Internet
> connection, or download and keep the movie for 30 days while having 24
> hours to finish the movie once it's started.
> 
> Titles will be available within 30 days of their DVD release.
> 
> Apple is partnering with 20th Century Fox, Warner Brothers, Walt Disney,
> Paramount, Universal and Sony on the service, which will work on Macs,
> Windows-based machines, iPhones, iPods or Apple TV set-top boxes.
> 
> Jobs also unveiled a string of new features for the iPhone, showing how
> users of the combination iPod-cell phone-Internet surfing device can now
> pinpoint their location

[scifinoir2] Re: Obama fairy tale has Chicago-size hole

[B. Smith]

Illinois politics are pretty rotten but I've lived in several states 
and worked with state government on a variety of things and most are 
pretty much the same. Obama isn't a choirboy but he isn't Michael 
Madigan or Richard Daley either.

Let's not forget that Hillary doesn't want the "right wing media" to 
start putting out those stories of her time as First Lady in Arkansas 
and Washington again. Whitewater, Commoditygate, the file scandal, 
Vin Foster and the rest isn't buried that deep in peoples' minds and 
her life in New York politics hasn't been squeaky clean either.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Scary, but not surprising
> 
> ravenadal wrote:
> > www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-
kass_09jan09,0,4588673.column
> >
> > chicagotribune.com
> > Obama fairy tale has Chicago-size hole
> > John Kass
> >
> > January 9, 2008
> >
> >  Prospective First Laddie Bill Clinton bought into the fairy tale 
> > theme Tuesday in New Hampshire, wondering why the media doesn't 
treat 
> > Sen. Barack Obama as harshly as we treat his wife.
> >
> > "Give me a break," Bill said, stumping for Sen. Hillary Clinton's 
> > presidential campaign. "This whole thing is the biggest fairy 
tale 
> > I've ever seen."
> >
> > Normally, politicians whining about media treatment can't be 
taken 
> > seriously. But today, President Clinton, though the earth may 
crack 
> > open and devour me, it appears you're absolutely correct:
> >
> > The Clintons are indeed the victims of a Vast Left Wing [Media] 
> > Conspiracy.
> >
> > Who knows why, exactly? As surveys have suggested, most reporters 
are 
> > Democrats, and many covering the campaign must be pouring their 
> > collective liberal guilt into the vessel that is Obama.
> >
> > Either way, all this pro-Barack hope and change and excitement, 
all 
> > these delicious, Barack-inspired comparisons to the Kennedys and 
> > Camelot and Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., it's all quite 
overwhelming, 
> > until you consider what's been cut out:
> >
> > That Obama is only a few short years removed from taking orders 
in 
> > Springfield, in the Illinois State Senate, and you know how clean 
> > Illinois politics is.
> >
> > So as we wait for Obama to transform our politics, let's hold our 
> > breath and see who turns purple first. That'll give me time to 
> > apologize to Sen. Clinton about that "white witch" crack over the 
> > weekend.
> >
> > Last Sunday, I dipped my fingertips into fairyland analogies, 
into 
> > C.S. Lewis' land of Narnia, describing Obama as a gentle forest 
faun, 
> > the Mr. Tumnus of the Democratic primaries, the one national 
> > political character who gets media hugs from almost everybody.
> >
> > I like Obama, but I won't apologize for comparing him to a kind 
and 
> > beloved faun. He is indeed the Mr. Tumnus of American politics, 
> > gently offering free tea and cakes to all Americans, all the free 
> > stuff that won't cost us anything (unless you're a taxpayer).
> >
> > He doesn't play a flute, but he sure makes great speeches, and 
you 
> > can see that infectious, charismatic Tumnusotude on TV.
> >
> > But, blinded by Obama, I foolishly used the "white witch" analogy 
for 
> > Sen. Clinton.
> >
> > So I apologize to her, and not just because my wife told me to. 
Women 
> > have it hard enough without foolish "white witch" analogies. I 
went 
> > too far, I shouldn't have done it, and besides, Hillary had that 
> > emotional moment at the diner the other day, and you probably 
won't 
> > believe me, but it melted my frozen heart.
> >
> > I think it was an absolutely sincere moment. And even though a 
> > politician would use everything -- even a sincere moment -- the 
fact 
> > is that Hillary Clinton let her guard down, finally, and stopped 
> > being icy.
> >
> > This doesn't mean I agree with her. I disagree with her on just 
about 
> > everything. But she has been running as a candidate, in the 
arena, 
> > for years. And as she campaigns, Obama gets the applause and 
media 
> > sainthood and a pass as a gentle faun in the national fairy tale.
> >
> > But this fairy tale doesn't begin in Kenya or Hawaii or Kansas or 
at 
> > Harvard. Obama's political fairy tale really begins in Chicago.
> >
> > That's where Obama's own real estate fairy loved to play in 
Illinois 
> > Democratic -- and Republican -- politics.
> >
> > Chicago is not really an enchanted land, unless you've got clout 
at 
> > City Hall, and then you can be white guys with mob connections 
and 
> > drink with Mayor Richard Daley at Como Inn at Christmas parties, 
and 
> > receive $100 million in city affirmative action contracts. And no 
> > Democrat -- not even our national change-agent Barack Obama -- 
would 
> > dare demand answers.
> >
> > Other Chicago fairy tales include the gangbanger who runs the 
corrupt 
> 
> > Hired Truck program out of City Hall, and the 11th Ward hacks who 
> > broke fe

[scifinoir2] Hillary's Real MLK Problem

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Hillary's Real MLK Problem
Barbara Ehrenreich
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barbara-ehrenreich/hillarys-real-mlk-proble_b_81608.html
Posted January 15, 2008 | 12:58 PM (EST)
At first I took it as another, yawn, white rip-off of black culture and 
creativity: the Rolling Stones appropriating the Bo Diddley beat, Bo 
Derek sporting corn rows, and now Hillary giving Lyndon Baines Johnson 
credit for the voting rights act of 1965. If you had to give this honor 
to a white guy, LBJ was an odd choice, since he'd spent the 1964 
Democratic convention scheming to prevent the Mississippi Freedom 
Democratic Party from taking any Dixiecrat seats. By Clinton's 
standards, maybe Richard Nixon should be credited with the legalization 
of abortion in 1972.

But Clinton's LBJ remark reveals something more worrisome than racial 
tone-deafness - a theory of social change that's as elitist as it is 
inaccurate. Black civil rights weren't won by suited men (or women) 
sitting at desks. They were won by a mass movement of millions who 
marched, sat in at lunch counters, endured jailings, and took bullets 
and beatings for the right to vote and move freely about. Some were 
students and pastors; many were dirt-poor farmers and urban workers. No 
one has ever attempted to list all their names.

There's a problem too, of course, with the conventional abbreviation of 
the Civil Rights Movement into two names - Martin Luther King, Jr. and 
Rosa Parks. What about Fannie Lou Hamer, who led the Mississippi Freedom 
Democratic Party's delegation to the 19464 convention? What about Ella 
Baker, Fred Hampton, Stokely Carmichael and hundreds of other leaders? 
The Great Person theory of history may simplify textbook-writing, but 
leaves us with no clue as to how change actually happens.

Women's rights, for example, weren't brokered by Betty Friedan and 
Gloria Steinem over tea. As Steinem would be the first to acknowledge, 
the feminist movement of the 70s took root around kitchen tables and 
coffee tables, ignited by hundreds of thousands of now-anonymous women 
who were sick of being called "honey" at work and excluded from "men's" 
jobs. Media stars like Friedan and Steinem did a brilliant job of 
proselytizing, but it took an army of unsung heroines to stage the 
protests, organize the conferences, hand out the fliers, and spread the 
word to their neighbors and co-workers.

"Change" is this year's Democratic battle cry, but if you don't know how 
it happens, you're not likely to make it happen yourself. A case in 
point is Clinton's 1993 "health reform" plan. She didn't do any 
"listening tour" for that, no televised town meetings with heart-rending 
grassroots testimonies. Instead, she gathered up a cadre of wonks for 
months of closed-door meetings, some so secretive that the participants 
themselves were barred from bringing in pencils or pens. According to 
David Corn of The Nation, when Clinton was told that 70 percent of 
Americans polled favored a single-payer system at the time, she 
responded sarcastically with, "Now tell me something interesting."

She could have gone about things differently, in a way that wouldn't 
have left 47 million Americans uninsured today. She could have started 
by realizing that no real change would come about without a mobilization 
of the ordinary people who wanted it. Instead of sequestering herself 
with economists and business consultants, she might have met with 
representatives of nurses' organizations, doctors' groups, health 
workers' unions, and patient advocates. Then she could have gone to the 
public and said: I'm working for a major change in the way we do things 
and it's going to run into heavy resistance, so I'll need your support 
in every possible way.

But she did it her way, and ended up with a 1300 page plan that no one, 
on either side of the aisle, liked or could even comprehend - proving 
that historical change isn't made by the smartest girl in the room, even 
if she shares a bed with the president. Similarly, she ignored the 
anti-war movement of this decade and alienated untold numbers of 
Democratic voters, feminists included.

I'd like to think that Obama, with his community organizing experience 
and insistence on firing people up, gets it a little better. But whoever 
is elected president this year, there won't be any real change in a 
progressive direction without a mass social movement to bring it about - 
either by holding the president accountable or by holding his or her 
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[scifinoir2] Jobs Announces Super-Thin MacBook Air

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

ASAN FRANCISCO — Apple Inc. Chief Executive Steve Jobs took the wraps 
off a super-slim new laptop at Macworld Tuesday, unveiling a personal 
computer less than an inch thick that turns on the moment it's opened.

Jobs also confirmed the tech giant's foray into online movie rentals, 
revealing an alliance with all six major movie studios to offer films 
over high-speed Internet connections 30 days after they're released on DVD.

Always a showman, Jobs unwound the string on a standard-sized manila 
office envelope and slid out the ultra-thin MacBook Air notebook 
computer to coos and peals of laughter from fans at the conference.

At its beefiest, the new computer is .76 inches thick; at its thinnest, 
it's .16 inches, he said. It comes standard with an 80-gigabyte hard 
drive, with the option of a 64GB flash-based solid state drive as an 
upgrade.
The machine doesn't come with a built-in optical drive for reading CDs 
and DVDs, a feature Jobs says consumers won't miss because they can 
download movies and music over the Internet and access the optical 
drives on other PCs and Macs to install new software. They can buy an 
external drive, however, that will retail for $99.

Trading in Apple stock was heavy Tuesday, the first day of the Macworld 
Conference & Expo in San Francisco. It fell 5.52 percent to $168.91 at 
midday.

The new laptop, which has a 13.3-inch screen and full-sized laptop 
keyboard, will cost $1,799 when it goes on sale in two weeks, though 
Apple is taking orders now. The company's Web site is already touting 
the machine. The price is competitive with other laptops in its market 
segment.

The machine helps fortify Apple's already-sizzling Macintosh product 
lineup and burnish its polished image as a purveyor of cool.

Apple's Macintosh business hit record sales of 7 million units in the 
company's fiscal 2007, up more than 30 percent from the previous year.

After hovering for years with a 2 percent to 3 percent share of the 
personal computer market in the United States, Apple's slice has grown 
to almost 8 percent, making it the nation's third-largest PC vendor, 
according to the latest figures from market researcher Gartner Inc.

Other revelations during Jobs' keynote address reflected the 
Cupertino-based company's intensifying efforts to push deeper into 
consumers' living rooms with technologies that blend Internet technology 
into home entertainment devices.

The movie-rental announcement capped months of speculation that an Apple 
movie rental service was in the offing. The service launched Tuesday in 
the United States and will roll out internationally later this year.

Apple will have more than 1,000 movies for online rental through iTunes 
by the end of February, with prices of $2.99 for older movies and $3.99 
for new releases. Users can watch instantly over a broadband Internet 
connection, or download and keep the movie for 30 days while having 24 
hours to finish the movie once it's started.

Titles will be available within 30 days of their DVD release.

Apple is partnering with 20th Century Fox, Warner Brothers, Walt Disney, 
Paramount, Universal and Sony on the service, which will work on Macs, 
Windows-based machines, iPhones, iPods or Apple TV set-top boxes.

Jobs also unveiled a string of new features for the iPhone, showing how 
users of the combination iPod-cell phone-Internet surfing device can now 
pinpoint their location on Web maps, text-message multiple people at 
once and customize their home screens.

Jobs also said Apple has sold 4 million iPhones during their first 200 
days on sale.

The crowd applauded when Jobs demonstrated mapping upgrades to the 
iPhone. Other features rolling out Tuesday included the ability to 
switch around icons on the iPhones home screen. Users also can create up 
to nine home screens.

Jobs also unveiled new software for the iPod Touch music player. New 
models will have be able to process e-mail and perform new mapping 
functions.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/15/thinnovation-jobs-announ_n_81612.html

[scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight

[B. Smith]

Actually people buried it at first. The original pilot was pretty bad 
so they rewrote and tweaked the hell out of it. Looks like the 
changes helped the series.

So far I'm enjoying the series. There are a few ongoing mysteries, I 
like most of the main cast and it's fun. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> yeah, I agree. I kept thinking that the twelve (?) eps they made 
should just be a self-contained miniseries and be done with it. The 
always on the run theme, the fact that a muscular dude in leather and 
boots will show up every week to menace them, the Terminator (the 
good one) doing the Data thing of learning what it is to be human--i 
can't see that past a few eps having any staying power.
> 
> Why is it being so acclaimed and buzzed about?
> 
> -- Original message -- 
> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> So I watched the second episode last night and...and so I like 
Summer Glau
> (I already liked her in Firefly) -- but I think this is totally a 
one season
> show. 
> 
> On 1/15/08 9:16 AM, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers 
strike. it
> > wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in 
my
> > hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy.
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
> > KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight,
> > after "Prison Break". I think this might be its regular time 
slot, now
> > that K*ville has been cancelled
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[scifinoir2] The 10 Most Moving Deaths That Mostly Stuck

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

By ROBIN BROWNFIELD
Source: SyFy Portal
Jan-15-2008

Death in science-fiction and fantasy shows rarely sticks. In nearly 
every case, the character eventually gets resurrected, cloned, replaced 
by an alternate dimension replica, returned by the powers that be, or 
continue to haunt and entertain as ghostly versions of themselves.

On occasion, though, a character dies and stays dead, or at least mostly 
dead. Since we’re in the dead of winter, I thought it would warm the 
hearts to remember 10 of the most moving deaths that stuck in the past 
10 years as we continue to celebrate the 10th anniversary of SyFy Portal.

Allen Doyle from "Angel." -- Joss Whedon loves to kill off beloved 
characters, and I have to struggle hard not to make this entire list 
consist of Whedonverse characters. Still, Doyle deserves mention because 
just as we grew completely smitten with him, and as it seemed he finally 
won Cordelia’s heart, he gets all heroic and sacrifices himself to save 
his fellow benign demons and half-demons.

What made his death even more poignant was the eventual real life 
drug-overdose death of troubled actor Glenn Quinn. No magic was ever 
going to bring him back.

Winifred "Fred" Berkle from "Angel" -- While actress Amy Acker remained 
on the show till the end, her character, Fred, the sweet brainy waif and 
love interest of many, died a sudden death just as she finally showed 
romantic interest in the ill-fated Wesley Wyndham-Price. We felt the 
intense grief of the show’s most tragic character as the life of the 
woman he loved slipped through his fingers and disappeared, with no hope 
of ever bringing her back. Of course, her body still remained as the 
long-winded, leather-clad, blue god Illyria.

Hoban "Wash" Washburn from "Firefly" and "Serenity" -- Granted Wash died 
in the theatrical movie, "Serenity," but we all know they’re the same 
thing. I had the privilege of seeing screenings of "Serenity" before its 
general release date. As was the case of nearly everyone else in the 
theater the first time around, I was mesmerized by the movie, totally 
immersed in the story, and then it happened. Suddenly, and without 
warning, Wash was dead, impaled through the chest by a giant spear! I 
believe in the next 10 to 15 minutes of the film, I was in shock, and 
yet still while reeling from Wash’s death, within moments I found myself 
laughing -- at Jayne, and then Kaylee -- and feeling really guilty about 
it. Upon subsequent viewings of the movie, we learned we actually had 
warning that Wash would die, but I had forgotten than Joss loves to 
impale us in our collective chests, and then proceed to ripping our 
hearts out.

  Joyce Summers from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- "The Body," the 
episode about the death of Buffy’s mother, is possibly one of the finest 
episodes of television ever. From the moment Buffy discovers her 
mother’s dead body to the wishful thoughts and mundane-yet-special 
memories that pass through Buffy’s mind as she’s dealing with the 
reality of her mother’s death, we become Buffy. Everything she did, the 
sounds of life as normal going on in the background as her entire world 
has changed, the futile attempts to revive her mother, the starkness of 
the sunlight – all make us feel it is happening to us as well. I didn’t 
originally see this series in order or from the beginning, and while I 
liked it enough, I never took it seriously until I saw this episode. It 
was responsible for my becoming a fan of the entire body of Joss 
Whedon’s work.

Joyce did show up again in Season 7 as “The First,” but that doesn’t 
count as a revived character – as she was evil, out of character, and 
not a continued presence.

Tara Maclay from "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" -- For almost three seasons, 
she was a favorite Scooby, Willow’s girlfriend, the kindest, sweetest 
character in the stable of Buffy characters, and then suddenly, without 
warning, she was dead.

Johnston Green from "Jericho" -- Johnston Green was the voice of reason, 
the anchor, and a well-grounded central character in Jericho. Gerald 
McRaney owned this character, made us love him, and made us rely on him 
to keep the other citizens of Jericho sane. Then he died at the end of 
the first season! We all know that as bad as things had been in Jericho 
and the rest of the United States, all hell is going to break loose in 
Season 2 without him.

Jonathan Kent from "Smallville" -- Granted, when word got out that a 
main character was going to die on "Smallville," I had two reactions. 
One was "Yeah, yeah. They say that almost every week, and dead Chloe or 
Lana always come back!" My other reaction was that if anyone really did 
die on the show, it would be Pa Kent, because that’s the way it always 
happens in Superman lore.

  I couldn’t stand Jonathan Kent. He was always so preachy and on the 
moral high-ground, often to the point where I wanted to slap his tilted 
head. Still, when he died, not only was it heart-breaking and 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight

[Daryle]

Nah that  was NBC with ³Bionic Woman².  And then everybody watched -- and it
was rubbish. Remember the huge fall off between episode 1 and 2? A bad show
is a bad show. Terminator is no Bionic Woman.


On 1/15/08 2:19 PM, "Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Because Faux/Fixed/Fox has deemed it so. They've been hyping this since
> August. It's ingrained in the minds of the sheeple- "This will be good. It
> must be seen."
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]   wrote:
> yeah, I agree. I kept thinking that the twelve (?) eps they made should just
> be a self-contained miniseries and be done with it. The always on the run
> theme, the fact that a muscular dude in leather and boots will show up every
> week to menace them, the Terminator (the good one) doing the Data thing of
> learning what it is to be human--i can't see that past a few eps having any
> staying power.
> 
> Why is it being so acclaimed and buzzed about?
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >
> So I watched the second episode last night and...and so I like Summer Glau
> (I already liked her in Firefly) -- but I think this is totally a one season
> show. 
> 
> On 1/15/08 9:16 AM, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:
> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers strike. it
>> > wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in my
>> > hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy.
>> > 
>> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>>  ,
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 >> >
 >> > Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight,
>> > after "Prison Break". I think this might be its regular time slot, now
>> > that K*ville has been cancelled
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> organized along the lines of the Mafia." -Kurt Vonnegut, "A Man Without A
> Country"
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Re: [scifinoir2] How to be Black in a Horror Movie

[Gymfig]

 
In a message dated 1/15/2008 2:15:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

but this one featured the Requisite Sassy Black Chick, who turned out to be 
Brucina Lee. She died the Requisite Heroic Death, though, buying our heroes the 
time needed to solve the mystery and save their own lives.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Fw: Breaking News: MSNBC debate must include Kucinich

[Martin]

Democracy, they laughingly call it...

Amy Harlib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Direct from the "horse's mouth", as it were.

Breaking News: Judge says MSNBC debate 
must include Kucinich 

-from the Los Angeles Times:

A judge in Nevada has just ordered MSNBC to include Rep. Dennis Kucinich in 
Tuesday's Democratic Party presidential debate in Las Vegas or he will cancel 
the forum.

Senior Clark County District Court Judge Charles Thompson vowed to issue an 
injunction halting the nationally televised debate if MSNBC failed to comply. 
Kucinich had filed a lawsuit seeking to be included just this morning.

The judge ruled it was a matter of fairness and Nevada voters would benefit 
from hearing from more than just Hillary Clinton, John Edwards and Barack 
Obama. Kucinich had been invited to participate in the 6 p.m. Pacific debate 
Tuesday, but that invitation was rescinded last week ... So set up a fourth 
podium.

Andrew Malcolm, correspondent - The Los Angeles Times

Dear Kucinich Supporters,

FINALLY, the principle that we are a nation of laws and not of corporate media 
control has prevailed. And without your support, your phone calls and emails 
and letters, this issue might never have attracted the national attention it 
has.

BUT, while Dennis is preparing to go to Nevada - court order in hand - to 
represent your interests, expect that MSNBC, NBC, its parent company GE, and 
dozens of other alphabet-soup corporations in the nation will start filing 
appeals on top of appeals to keep Dennis out of the debate and try to deplete 
our limited financial resources. Multi-billion corporations don't want Dennis 
on that stage Tuesday night. And they will do everything; spend anything they 
need to make sure that his voice - your voice - is not heard. The law is on our 
side, but the dollars are on theirs.

NOW, more than ever, we need your continued financial support to stop 
megalomania-media from robbing you of your Constitutional rights, taking 
control of the American electoral process, and hand-picking the candidates they 
want you to choose from.

Defend your rights today. Make a contribution today to the only candidate who 
is willing to challenge the powerful interests that want to control you. 

They will try to outspend us, but, with your help, they won't be able to 
out-fight us. Please, contribute whatever you can to defend your rights, and 
ask everyone you know to do the same.

We won today, but tomorrow is another battle.

Strength through Peace
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Re: [scifinoir2] Obama fairy tale has Chicago-size hole

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

Scary, but not surprising

ravenadal wrote:
> www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-kass_09jan09,0,4588673.column
>
> chicagotribune.com
> Obama fairy tale has Chicago-size hole
> John Kass
>
> January 9, 2008
>
>  Prospective First Laddie Bill Clinton bought into the fairy tale 
> theme Tuesday in New Hampshire, wondering why the media doesn't treat 
> Sen. Barack Obama as harshly as we treat his wife.
>
> "Give me a break," Bill said, stumping for Sen. Hillary Clinton's 
> presidential campaign. "This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale 
> I've ever seen."
>
> Normally, politicians whining about media treatment can't be taken 
> seriously. But today, President Clinton, though the earth may crack 
> open and devour me, it appears you're absolutely correct:
>
> The Clintons are indeed the victims of a Vast Left Wing [Media] 
> Conspiracy.
>
> Who knows why, exactly? As surveys have suggested, most reporters are 
> Democrats, and many covering the campaign must be pouring their 
> collective liberal guilt into the vessel that is Obama.
>
> Either way, all this pro-Barack hope and change and excitement, all 
> these delicious, Barack-inspired comparisons to the Kennedys and 
> Camelot and Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., it's all quite overwhelming, 
> until you consider what's been cut out:
>
> That Obama is only a few short years removed from taking orders in 
> Springfield, in the Illinois State Senate, and you know how clean 
> Illinois politics is.
>
> So as we wait for Obama to transform our politics, let's hold our 
> breath and see who turns purple first. That'll give me time to 
> apologize to Sen. Clinton about that "white witch" crack over the 
> weekend.
>
> Last Sunday, I dipped my fingertips into fairyland analogies, into 
> C.S. Lewis' land of Narnia, describing Obama as a gentle forest faun, 
> the Mr. Tumnus of the Democratic primaries, the one national 
> political character who gets media hugs from almost everybody.
>
> I like Obama, but I won't apologize for comparing him to a kind and 
> beloved faun. He is indeed the Mr. Tumnus of American politics, 
> gently offering free tea and cakes to all Americans, all the free 
> stuff that won't cost us anything (unless you're a taxpayer).
>
> He doesn't play a flute, but he sure makes great speeches, and you 
> can see that infectious, charismatic Tumnusotude on TV.
>
> But, blinded by Obama, I foolishly used the "white witch" analogy for 
> Sen. Clinton.
>
> So I apologize to her, and not just because my wife told me to. Women 
> have it hard enough without foolish "white witch" analogies. I went 
> too far, I shouldn't have done it, and besides, Hillary had that 
> emotional moment at the diner the other day, and you probably won't 
> believe me, but it melted my frozen heart.
>
> I think it was an absolutely sincere moment. And even though a 
> politician would use everything -- even a sincere moment -- the fact 
> is that Hillary Clinton let her guard down, finally, and stopped 
> being icy.
>
> This doesn't mean I agree with her. I disagree with her on just about 
> everything. But she has been running as a candidate, in the arena, 
> for years. And as she campaigns, Obama gets the applause and media 
> sainthood and a pass as a gentle faun in the national fairy tale.
>
> But this fairy tale doesn't begin in Kenya or Hawaii or Kansas or at 
> Harvard. Obama's political fairy tale really begins in Chicago.
>
> That's where Obama's own real estate fairy loved to play in Illinois 
> Democratic -- and Republican -- politics.
>
> Chicago is not really an enchanted land, unless you've got clout at 
> City Hall, and then you can be white guys with mob connections and 
> drink with Mayor Richard Daley at Como Inn at Christmas parties, and 
> receive $100 million in city affirmative action contracts. And no 
> Democrat -- not even our national change-agent Barack Obama -- would 
> dare demand answers.
>
> Other Chicago fairy tales include the gangbanger who runs the corrupt 

> Hired Truck program out of City Hall, and the 11th Ward hacks who 
> broke federal law to create massive patronage armies of city workers -
> - improperly hired and promoted, for the express purpose of 
> controlling local elections.
>
> Obama endorsed the mayor for re-election, and other machine hacks, 
> including Cook County Board President Todd Stroger, a Daley puppet 
> and political disaster. This upset some local reformers.
>
> His supporters say he had to play ball with the Daley machine to 
> survive. And he's promised Tribune readers that he'd keep U.S. Atty. 
> Patrick Fitzgerald in Chicago fighting political corruption. This 
> threatens Daley and the state's Republican combine masters, but Obama 
> may indeed do most for change by maintaining the status quo.
>
> One fairy tale that touches close to home for Obama (literally, 
> Obama's home) is the story of his real estate fairy, the indicted 
> fixer Tony Rezko, who helped the Obamas buy their dream house.
>
> 

Re: [scifinoir2] Iraq Vets Killing Stateside

[Martin]

Keith, I can't answer your question on whether or not Korea turned out damaged 
souls or not, but I can say this. My paternal step-grandfather and maternal 
grandfather and great-uncles all served in Korea, and none of them would talk 
about it. *Ever*.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  good point you raise: is there any empirical data for 
the percentage of vets with post-traumatic stress from each war that led became 
debilitating, and how many from each war turned to violent or even psychotic 
behaviour? The cliche has always been that the Doughboys and GIs of WWI and 
WWII had it rough, but were so loved when they came back that they settled into 
life nicely. (Ken Burns' latest documentary turns that idea on its head insofar 
as WWII is concerned). Not sure what the scuttlebutt is on Korea, but Vietnam 
has long been the poster child for turning nice young boys into psycho killers.

I'm curious as to how each "war" compares in terms of the psychological 
casualties it produced in this country?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Just like the Nam vets...just like Korea and WWII...In short, this is not a 
revelation and it seems as if we'll never learn our lesson...

Amy Harlib wrote: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is what happens when vets are not given proper re-adjustment to 
civilian life programs, neglect as serious as the neglect of their health 
care. Indicts the Bush administration all the more. That is the real 
criminal - Bush and his policies!
Amy

Subject: [scifinoir2] Iraq Vets Killing Stateside

Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles
By DEBORAH SONTAG and LIZETTE ALVAREZ
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/us/13vets.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
Late one night in the summer of 2005, Matthew Sepi, a 20-year-old Iraq
combat veteran, headed out to a 7-Eleven in the seedy Las Vegas
neighborhood where he had settled after leaving the Army.

This particular 7-Eleven sits in the shadow of the Stratosphere
casino-hotel in a section of town called the Naked City. By day, the
area, littered with malt liquor cans, looks depressed but not menacing.
By night, it becomes, in the words of a local homicide detective, “like
Falluja.”

Mr. Sepi did not like to venture outside too late. But, plagued by
nightmares about an Iraqi civilian killed by his unit, he often needed
alcohol to fall asleep. And so it was that night, when, seized by a gut
feeling of lurking danger, he slid a trench coat over his slight frame —
and tucked an assault rifle inside it.

“Matthew knew he shouldn’t be taking his AK-47 to the 7-Eleven,”
Detective Laura Andersen said, “but he was scared to death in that
neighborhood, he was military trained and, in his mind, he needed the
weapon to protect himself.”

Head bowed, Mr. Sepi scurried down an alley, ignoring shouts about
trespassing on gang turf. A battle-weary grenadier who was still legally
under-age, he paid a stranger to buy him two tall cans of beer, his
self-prescribed treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder.

As Mr. Sepi started home, two gang members, both large and both armed,
stepped out of the darkness. Mr. Sepi said in an interview that he spied
the butt of a gun, heard a boom, saw a flash and “just snapped.”

In the end, one gang member lay dead, bleeding onto the pavement. The
other was wounded. And Mr. Sepi fled, “breaking contact” with the enemy,
as he later described it. With his rifle raised, he crept home, loaded
180 rounds of ammunition into his car and drove until police lights
flashed behind him.

“Who did I take fire from?” he asked urgently. Wearing his Army
camouflage pants, the diminutive young man said he had been ambushed and
then instinctively “engaged the targets.” He shook. He also cried.

“I felt very bad for him,” Detective Andersen said.

Nonetheless, Mr. Sepi was booked, and a local newspaper soon reported:
“Iraq veteran arrested in killing.”

Town by town across the country, headlines have been telling similar
stories. Lakewood, Wash.: “Family Blames Iraq After Son Kills Wife.”
Pierre, S.D.: “Soldier Charged With Murder Testifies About Postwar
Stress.” Colorado Springs: “Iraq War Vets Suspected in Two Slayings,
Crime Ring.”

Individually, these are stories of local crimes, gut-wrenching
postscripts to the war for the military men, their victims and their
communities. Taken together, they paint the patchwork picture of a quiet
phenomenon, tracing a cross-country trail of death and heartbreak.

The New York Times found 121 cases in which veterans of Iraq and
Afghanistan committed a killing in this country, or were charged with
one, after their return from war. In many of those cases, combat trauma
and the stress of deployment — along with alcohol abuse, family discord
and other attendant problems — appear to have set the stage for a
tragedy that was part destruction, part self-destruction.

Three-quarters of these veterans were still in the military a

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight

[Martin]

Because Faux/Fixed/Fox has deemed it so. They've been hyping this since August. 
It's ingrained in the minds of the sheeple- "This will be good. It must be 
seen."

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  yeah, I agree. I kept thinking that the 
twelve (?) eps they made should just be a self-contained miniseries and be done 
with it. The always on the run theme, the fact that a muscular dude in leather 
and boots will show up every week to menace them, the Terminator (the good one) 
doing the Data thing of learning what it is to be human--i can't see that past 
a few eps having any staying power.

Why is it being so acclaimed and buzzed about?

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
So I watched the second episode last night and...and so I like Summer Glau
(I already liked her in Firefly) -- but I think this is totally a one season
show. 

On 1/15/08 9:16 AM, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers strike. it
> wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in my
> hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight,
> after "Prison Break". I think this might be its regular time slot, now
> that K*ville has been cancelled
>> > 
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Re: [scifinoir2] How to be Black in a Horror Movie

[Martin]

I can think of one exception to this, Gymfig, courtesy of none other than the 
Schlockmeister Himself, Mister Uwe Boll, in one of his many video-game epics. 
Can't recall the name, as they all blur, but this one featured the Requisite 
Sassy Black Chick, who turned out to be Brucina Lee. She died the Requisite 
Heroic Death, though, buying our heroes the time needed to solve the mystery 
and save their own lives.
   
  (sob)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
In a message dated 1/15/2008 11:43:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Step 12: Learn how to roll and bug out your eyes. Eye-rolling and bugging out 
is essential fare for the Black horror film actor. Rolling your eyes until 
the whites show works well in comedic moments, as it always elicits a chuckle 
from the white folk. And it's also great in death scenes, where your bug-eyed 
look conveys the perfect sense of horror as you're being eviscerated. For added 
effect, eye-rolling works much better if you're dark-skinned (see Step 11).

That is the gospel truth

Overtime I see a black character in a horror movie, they never make it to the 
end. The guy is almost always the pretty boy jock. The girl wants to pout and 
console some girl who is crying her eyes out. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] How to be Black in a Horror Movie

[Gymfig]

 
In a message dated 1/15/2008 11:43:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Step 12: Learn how to roll and bug out your eyes. Eye-rolling and bugging out 
is essential fare for the Black horror film actor. Rolling your eyes until 
the whites show works well in comedic moments, as it always elicits a chuckle 
from the white folk. And it's also great in death scenes, where your bug-eyed 
look conveys the perfect sense of horror as you're being eviscerated. For added 
effect, eye-rolling works much better if you're dark-skinned (see Step 11).

That is the gospel truth
 
Overtime I see a black character in a horror movie, they never make it to the 
end. The guy is almost always the pretty boy jock. The girl wants to pout and 
console some girl who is crying her eyes out. 



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Re: [scifinoir2] Smith co-stars in sci-fi movie

[KeithBJohnson]

true, but why add a black child nd then give us anothe absent father? it's time 
to make a statement! :)

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Well, have you seen the original? There IS no sign of the father. His mom
is dating some dude. They live in a boarding house, where Klaatu also has a
room.

On 1/15/08 12:03 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> okay, so the Black kid has a white stepmom. Dare i hope her Black husband is
> going to be *alive* in the film and survive to the end of the movie?
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >
> 
> source: Hollywood Reporter
> 
> Smith down to 'Earth' for sci-fi re-do
> 
> By Leslie Simmons
> 
> Jan 15, 2008
> Jaden Smith has landed a part in Fox's sci-fi thriller "The Day the Earth
> Stood Still."
> 
> Smith will play the rebellious Jacob, the 8-year-old stepson of scientist
> Helen Benson (Jennifer Connelly) who first makes contact with the humanoid
> alien Klaatu (Keanu Reeves). Kathy Bates and Golden Globe winner Jon Hamm
> also star.
> 
> Scott Derrickson is directing the contemporary reinvention of the 1951 Fox
> classic being produced by Erwin Stoff, Gregory Goodman and Paul Boardman. It
> is filming in Vancouver.
> 
> David Scarpa penned the screenplay about Klaatu's arrival on Earth that
> triggers a global upheaval as governments and scientists race to unravel the
> mystery behind his appearance.
> 
> Smith's Jacob and stepmother Helen get caught up in Klaatu's mission,
> coming to understand the ramifications of his being a self-described "friend
> to the Earth."
> 
> The 9-year-old is the son of Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith. He
> co-starred in 2006 with his father in "The Pursuit of Happyness," for which
> he won a Teen Choice Award and an MTV Movie Award.
> 
> Smith is repped by WMA's Nicole David and Overbrook Management's James
> Lassiter and Miguel Melendez.
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Clinton, Obama step back from flap

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

I appreciate that.  Believe it or not, the events in NH, made me an 
Obama supporter, which leaves me ambivalent.  I admire some of his 
accomplishments, but many of his moves seem calculated.  He's  player.  
I realize that is why he has risen so far so fast, but it does not make 
me feel any better about him. I know this is politics and to be 
expected, but it leaves me cold.  I'm going to TRY to back off.  :) I'd 
still subscribe to the anybody but Clinton axiom, but I feel 
uncomfortable throwing my passion behind Obama.  I really want  Kucinich 
or Edwards or none of the above.  I wish the powers that be had not 
anointed Obama their golden boy

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Okay.   I stand corrected and actually I can see it.   I may not be an Obama 
> supporter but I do lke the fact he has tried to take the high road during 
> this 
> campaign.   The Clintions have been know for using under-the-table dirty 
> tricks.   Especially when they are up against the wall (like Hillary is now).
>
>
> -GTW
>
>
> In a message dated 1/15/08 2:20:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> writes:
>
>
>   
>> Actually, I read several sources that said Obama called the truce in the
>> middle of a speech.  I think that thereafter the Clintons had no
>> choice.  I'm not surprised.  I remember that there used to read about
>> people who could testify against in their various cases them dying under
>> mysterious circumstances or committing suicide in bizarre ways. (more
>> than 20 people)  It was rumored they were behind it.  If it is true,
>> then campaign dirty tricks is small time for them.
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> 
>>> Same here.   The last thing we need is to give blacks more excuses to stay
>>> home instead of going to vote.   I got the feeling someone in Clinton's 
>>>   
>> camp
>> 
>>> told her that.
>>>
>>>
>>> -GTW
>>>
>>>
>>> In a message dated 1/14/08 9:06:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>   
>>>> Wit a very heavy heart, I have to agree sigh
>>>>
>>>> Daryle wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> This is one of those things you can$B".(Bt recover from. The damage is 
>>>>>   
>> already
>> 
>>>>> done. I think that if the party loses this year, we can trace it all 
>>>>>   
>> back
>> 
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>> to
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> New Hampshire.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 1/14/08 8:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>>   
>>>>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080115/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp
>>>>>> Democratic presidential rivals Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama
>>>>>> stepped back from a controversy over race Monday night, agreeing that a
>>>>>> prolonged clash over civil rights could harm their party's overall 
>>>>>> 
>> drive
>> 
>>>>>> to win the White House.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The two leading Democratic contenders shifted course as Republicans
>>>>>> pointed toward Tuesday's pivotal primary in Michigan, where Mitt Romney
>>>>>> and John McCain both pledged to lead a revival for a state and an auto
>>>>>> industry ravaged by recession.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Obama was the first to try and quell the controversy that flared in the
>>>>>> Democratic campaign in recent days, calling reporters together to say 
>>>>>> 
>> he
>> 
>>>>>> didn't want the campaign "to degenerate into so much tit-for-tat,
>>>>>> back-and-forth that we lose sight of why all of us are doing this."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Referring to Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards, he said that while
>>>>>> they may have disagreements, "we share the same goals. We're all
>>>>>> Democrats, we all believe in civil rights, we all believe in equal
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>> rights."
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>>

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight

[Daryle]

Why people are going crazy over this series:

 1. Summer Glau. She¹s pretty easy on the eyes in this show, I must admit.
 2. The Terminator brand is huge. Everybody loves this story. Even if you
don¹t, you know it by heart. And what ELSE are you gonna watch?
 3. It¹s a better T3 than T3 was. If the show stops at 20 episodes and has
Arnold (or for that  matter, Joe Morton in a flashback) in ONE of
them...dude. That would be it. Movie time.


On 1/15/08 12:12 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> yeah, I agree. I kept thinking that the twelve (?) eps they made should just
> be a self-contained miniseries and be done with it. The always on the run
> theme, the fact that a muscular dude in leather and boots will show up every
> week to menace them, the Terminator (the good one) doing the Data thing of
> learning what it is to be human--i can't see that past a few eps having any
> staying power.
> 
> Why is it being so acclaimed and buzzed about?
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >
> So I watched the second episode last night and...and so I like Summer Glau
> (I already liked her in Firefly) -- but I think this is totally a one season
> show. 
> 
> On 1/15/08 9:16 AM, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  > wrote:
> 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers strike. it
>> > wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in my
>> > hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy.
>> > 
>> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
>>  ,
>> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 >> >
 >> > Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight,
>> > after "Prison Break". I think this might be its regular time slot, now
>> > that K*ville has been cancelled
 >> > 
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>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Smith co-stars in sci-fi movie

[Daryle]

Well, have you  seen the original? There IS no sign of the father. His mom
is dating some dude. They live in a boarding house, where Klaatu also has a
room.


On 1/15/08 12:03 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> okay, so the Black kid has a white stepmom. Dare i hope her Black husband is
> going to be *alive* in the film and survive to the end of the movie?
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>  >
> 
> source: Hollywood Reporter
> 
> Smith down to 'Earth' for sci-fi re-do
> 
> By Leslie Simmons
> 
> Jan 15, 2008
> Jaden Smith has landed a part in Fox's sci-fi thriller "The Day the Earth
> Stood Still."
> 
> Smith will play the rebellious Jacob, the 8-year-old stepson of scientist
> Helen Benson (Jennifer Connelly) who first makes contact with the humanoid
> alien Klaatu (Keanu Reeves). Kathy Bates and Golden Globe winner Jon Hamm
> also star.
> 
> Scott Derrickson is directing the contemporary reinvention of the 1951 Fox
> classic being produced by Erwin Stoff, Gregory Goodman and Paul Boardman. It
> is filming in Vancouver.
> 
> David Scarpa penned the screenplay about Klaatu's arrival on Earth that
> triggers a global upheaval as governments and scientists race to unravel the
> mystery behind his appearance.
> 
> Smith's Jacob and stepmother Helen get caught up in Klaatu's mission,
> coming to understand the ramifications of his being a self-described "friend
> to the Earth."
> 
> The 9-year-old is the son of Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith. He
> co-starred in 2006 with his father in "The Pursuit of Happyness," for which
> he won a Teen Choice Award and an MTV Movie Award.
> 
> Smith is repped by WMA's Nicole David and Overbrook Management's James
> Lassiter and Miguel Melendez.
> 
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> 
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> 




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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight

[KeithBJohnson]

yeah, I agree. I kept thinking that the twelve (?) eps they made should just be 
a self-contained miniseries and be done with it. The always on the run theme, 
the fact that a muscular dude in leather and boots will show up every week to 
menace them, the Terminator (the good one) doing the Data thing of learning 
what it is to be human--i can't see that past a few eps having any staying 
power.

Why is it being so acclaimed and buzzed about?

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
So I watched the second episode last night and...and so I like Summer Glau
(I already liked her in Firefly) -- but I think this is totally a one season
show. 

On 1/15/08 9:16 AM, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> 
> I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers strike. it
> wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in my
> hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight,
> after "Prison Break". I think this might be its regular time slot, now
> that K*ville has been cancelled
>> > 
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Smith co-stars in sci-fi movie

[KeithBJohnson]

okay, so the Black kid has a white stepmom. Dare i hope her Black husband is 
going to be *alive* in the film and survive to the end of the movie?

-- Original message -- 
From: Daryle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

source: Hollywood Reporter

Smith down to 'Earth' for sci-fi re-do

By Leslie Simmons 

Jan 15, 2008
Jaden Smith has landed a part in Fox's sci-fi thriller "The Day the Earth
Stood Still."

Smith will play the rebellious Jacob, the 8-year-old stepson of scientist
Helen Benson (Jennifer Connelly) who first makes contact with the humanoid
alien Klaatu (Keanu Reeves). Kathy Bates and Golden Globe winner Jon Hamm
also star.

Scott Derrickson is directing the contemporary reinvention of the 1951 Fox
classic being produced by Erwin Stoff, Gregory Goodman and Paul Boardman. It
is filming in Vancouver.

David Scarpa penned the screenplay about Klaatu's arrival on Earth that
triggers a global upheaval as governments and scientists race to unravel the
mystery behind his appearance.

Smith's Jacob and stepmother Helen get caught up in Klaatu's mission,
coming to understand the ramifications of his being a self-described "friend
to the Earth."

The 9-year-old is the son of Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith. He
co-starred in 2006 with his father in "The Pursuit of Happyness," for which
he won a Teen Choice Award and an MTV Movie Award.

Smith is repped by WMA's Nicole David and Overbrook Management's James
Lassiter and Miguel Melendez.


 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight

[KeithBJohnson]

i enjoyed it. It has strong potential, needed some tweaking. I might be 
premature, but i was going on the rumours that it was definitely slated for 
cancellation. "Cane" is the same story. Maybe the ax hasn't officially come 
down on those shows, but the writing was on the wall...

You still live there?

-- Original message -- 
From: "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers strike. it 
wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in my 
hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight, 
after "Prison Break". I think this might be its regular time slot, now 
that K*ville has been cancelled
> 
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Re: [scifinoir2] How to be Black in a Horror Movie

[KeithBJohnson]

It's funny how long Blacks were used as cannon--monster?--fodder in horror 
flicks. When I went to see "Jurassic Park", I remember the very first scene as 
the terrible lizard was being unloaded at night. i remembered noticing how 
there was literally a Great White Hunter--complete with cliched hat--standing 
there with a gun. Yet the poor joe tasked with climbing *onto* the cage was an 
old Brother who looked like he was older than my dad! When he of course gets 
killed, my brother-in-law and I turned ot each other and said simultaneously 
"Why'd the Black man have to die first"?

When did the trend of Blacks dying early and often in horror films finally 
start reversing? The first Black in a major role who survived that I can 
remember was Ice Cube in "Anaconda". Later, LL Cool survived to the end in 
"Deep Blue Sea", but his line "Black men never survive stuff like this" was  
funny, telling commentary.  Now there are more Black people prone to survive to 
the end than before, but i've also noticed a lot of horror movies are still 
mostly peopled by white actors.

-- Original message -- 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Introduction
Being a black person in a horror _movie_ 
(http://www.ehow.com/how_2102479_be-black-horror-movie.html#) isn't easy. 
You're rarely the hero, hardly ever the 
villain, and more often than not you end up dead. But as they say, "When in 
Rome…die as a Roman," or something like that. At least there are steps you 
can 
take to make your inevitable demise run as smoothly as possible. 
Instructions
Difficulty: Moderately Easy 
Things You'll Need
* Blackness 
* The ability to die 
Steps

1
Step One
Be athletic. This gives you a character trait with which people can identify 
you, as you will probably be written with little personality. Try wearing a 
letterman jacket and carrying some sort of ball. 

2
Step Two
Hang out with white people. They'll inevitably go snooping around a spooky 
house or an abandoned oil rig, and then it's your turn to shine! 

3
Step Three
Die valiantly, preferably with the phrase "Save yourselves!" or "Get out of 
here!" It helps if you're Charles Dutton. 

4
Step Four
Learn voodoo. Raise the dead if the need arises. 

5
Step Five
Gather up two friends and mug someone in an alley, not realizing that he's a 
superhuman murderer or alien or predator or superhuman murdering alien 
predator with tentacles that shoot out of his armpits and burn you with acidic 
armpit 
moisture and make your face melt like in Raiders of the Lost Ark, or 
something. Anyway, the point is: you die. 

6
Step Six
Be funny. Who knows, you might actually survive if the audience likes you. If 
this means being scared of your own shadow, so be it. Learn how to 
"skedaddle." 

7
Step Seven
If you're old, be wise. Learn all about the legend of the three-eyed mutant 
who was teased as a child and abandoned in the swamp only to emerge every full 
moon to exact revenge. This will come in handy when the hero comes to you and 
asks what the heck is going on. After you tell him, of course, you'll probably 
be ripped to shreds, you snitch. 

8
Step Eight
Seduce the hero. It helps if you're a vampire or some sort of seducing-type 
undead person with a cape. 

9
Step Nine
Be a rapper. This could take some time if you have to A) learn how to rap, B) 
get signed to a record deal, C) have a hit song, D) get shot in order to 
prove your street credibility and E) retire to become an actor, but when you're 
on 
screen being stabbed to death with a pitchfork, it'll all be worth it. 

10
Step Ten
Make your own movie. Nowadays, all you need is a digital video camera, a few 
lights (bug zappers will do), a backyard, a great movie poster and Lance 
Henriksen. 



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Re: [scifinoir2] How to be Black in a Horror Movie

[KeithBJohnson]

Hilarious! I died laughing when Step 10 said all you need is "...Lance 
Henriksen"! That guy never met a film he didn't like! Of course, he's also done 
decent things like the series "Millennium"...

As for the list, that was great. Good thing is, at least they retired a couple 
of steps from back in the day, as I remember the stuff I watched as a kid:

Horror Tips for the Black Actor (circa 1930 - 1999)

Step 11: Be really dark-skinned. Nothing is so gratifying to some audiences as 
to see a really dark-skinned person --who by nature of that dark skin is 
already scary--get offed. Too bad they died, but somehow the world's a bit 
safer now, isn't it?

Step 12: Learn how to roll and bug out your eyes. Eye-rolling  and bugging out 
is essential fare for the Black horror film actor. Rolling your eyes 'til the 
whites show works well in comedic moments, as it always elicites a chuckle from 
the white folk. And it's also great in death scenes, where your bug-eyed look 
conveys the perfect sense of horror as you're being eviscerated. For added 
effect, eye-rolling works much better if you're dark-skinned (see Step 11).

Step 13: Have a great scream. Everyone knows that the heroic white guy never 
screams before he dies (assuming he dies at all). He usually just grimaces and 
says "damn", or calmly smokes a cig, or goes down fighting,  or kisses the 
blonde before nobly meeting his fate. But everyone knows Black men are more 
cowardly and prone to run, so as a Black actor, you must learn to generate an 
ear-splitting, blood curdling scream that rivals the women. 

Step 14: Learn how to carry things or serve tea. You're probably a porter or 
kitchen hand or working on the railroad, so mastery of essential 
domestic/labour skills is a must for the successful Black horror film actor. 
Don't be insulted by acting as a menial: you won't be around that long.

Step 15: Lose the sex drive. If you're along for the ride, you are the eunuch 
of the group. While all the white folk are making out, you stand around scared, 
rolling your eyes, or maybe carrying something for them. Don't even *think* of 
touching the blonde, or Dracula won't be the only one getting a stake through 
the heart!

Fortunately much of this list no longer applies, but I can tell you it 
represented the bulk of Black actors in horror flicks I saw growing up, from 
Abbott and Costello horror flicks to slasher flicks, to vampire/zombie pics. 
That is, when we were in them at all...


-- Original message -- 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Introduction
Being a black person in a horror _movie_ 
(http://www.ehow.com/how_2102479_be-black-horror-movie.html#) isn't easy. 
You're rarely the hero, hardly ever the 
villain, and more often than not you end up dead. But as they say, "When in 
Rome…die as a Roman," or something like that. At least there are steps you 
can 
take to make your inevitable demise run as smoothly as possible. 
Instructions
Difficulty: Moderately Easy 
Things You'll Need
* Blackness 
* The ability to die 
Steps

1
Step One
Be athletic. This gives you a character trait with which people can identify 
you, as you will probably be written with little personality. Try wearing a 
letterman jacket and carrying some sort of ball. 

2
Step Two
Hang out with white people. They'll inevitably go snooping around a spooky 
house or an abandoned oil rig, and then it's your turn to shine! 

3
Step Three
Die valiantly, preferably with the phrase "Save yourselves!" or "Get out of 
here!" It helps if you're Charles Dutton. 

4
Step Four
Learn voodoo. Raise the dead if the need arises. 

5
Step Five
Gather up two friends and mug someone in an alley, not realizing that he's a 
superhuman murderer or alien or predator or superhuman murdering alien 
predator with tentacles that shoot out of his armpits and burn you with acidic 
armpit 
moisture and make your face melt like in Raiders of the Lost Ark, or 
something. Anyway, the point is: you die. 

6
Step Six
Be funny. Who knows, you might actually survive if the audience likes you. If 
this means being scared of your own shadow, so be it. Learn how to 
"skedaddle." 

7
Step Seven
If you're old, be wise. Learn all about the legend of the three-eyed mutant 
who was teased as a child and abandoned in the swamp only to emerge every full 
moon to exact revenge. This will come in handy when the hero comes to you and 
asks what the heck is going on. After you tell him, of course, you'll probably 
be ripped to shreds, you snitch. 

8
Step Eight
Seduce the hero. It helps if you're a vampire or some sort of seducing-type 
undead person with a cape. 

9
Step Nine
Be a rapper. This could take some time if you have to A) learn how to rap, B) 
get signed to a record deal, C) have a hit song, D) get shot in order to 
prove your street credibility and E) retire to become an actor, but when you're 
on 
screen being stabbed to death with a pitchfork, it'll all be worth it. 

10
Step Ten
Make your own movie. N

[scifinoir2] Re: Twins separated at birth met and married

[Meta]

I have to thank you as well, Tracy. 
When I joined this list it really was for the sci/fi and while I still
like that aspect of the list, I stay because even though I've never
met any of you good people face to face, I feel a kindred with most of
you. 
Sometimes I feel left out because of the talk of shows, etc that
haven't as yet made it this side of the pond, but with all
the other things that get discussed,debated, etc. I find myself
here nearly every day. 
I've learned so much of what is going on in this world and especially
America from you guys and "I thank you all" for teaching me about
so many things I didn't know or understand. I may not join in
many discussions but know that I'm absorbing all the good 'mind food'
I can here.

Thanks,
Meta
  


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly
Tracey L. Minor)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Thanks guys.  I was just thinking scifinoir was no longer a scifi list, 
> but a life sharing list.  I can not take credit for nurturing it, but I 
> am glad it happened.  I think you should be applauding yourselves. 
> 
> Martin wrote:
> > Three cheers for Tracey!
> >
> > Hip-hip HOORAY!
> >
> > Hip-hip HOORAY!
> >
> > Hip-hip HOORAY!
> >
> > Reece Jennings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  God bless you, Martin.  I think we do that for each other.  You
know, I
> >  played football on a
> >  team in Newark, NJ after I got out of the Air Force.  I was
primarily a
> >  defensive safety, and
> >  we were one tough team!  And you know where our strength came
from?  Each
> >  other.
> >   
> >  See, when we huddled before each play, we held hands.  So much
strength and
> >  support flowed
> >  between us...
> >   
> >  That's what I feel here, with all of us. 
> >   
> >  I think it's pretty cool that we started with a shared passion,
and that has
> >  grown into what we have, 
> >  with the passion still our glue, of course.
> >   
> >  And kudos to Mama Tracey for nurturing our deviations from the
main subject,
> >  and allowing us to
> >  become so close...
> >   
> >   Maurice Jennings
> >  Have you or someone you know been threatened with foreclosure?
> >  KEEP your home and  Stop Foreclosure in its Tracks!
> >  Get a Free, No Obligation Evaluation =>
http://www.legacyhomesavers.com
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >   
> >  
> >  _  
> >  
> >  From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> >  Behalf Of Martin
> >  Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:55 PM
> >  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >  Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married
> >  
> >  Reece, your words give me joy every day, and I'm in sore need of
it these
> >  days. I'm beginning to look at you as a role model.
> >  
> >  Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings124%40yahoo.com>
yahoo.com>
> >  wrote: Sigh...I know. I tend to attempt to lighten up potentially
> >  painful/heavy
> >  subjects
> >  with sick humor...a gift I developed during my cop days...LOL!
> >  
> >  And Martin, I know I don't have to say this to you, but I'm sure
you know my
> >  twisted humor is in NO way meant to take anything away from the very
> >  human and touching parts of your life. In fact, they hit home for
me...
> >  
> >  I have a son who was born April 15, 1968. I was preparing to head
to the
> >  Philippines.
> >  
> >  He was born David William Jennings. At 8 months, he was adopted,
and his
> >  name
> >  was changed. I won't put it here. You never know...well, until
1998, I had
> >  no idea
> >  what his adopted name was, or anything about him. Then I stumbled
across
> >  his mother.
> >  We had a brief connection in 1967 (what a choice of word!) that
lead to her
> >  pregnancy. 
> >  
> >  I did a search of his name on the fledgling internet, and 2 names
popped up.
> >  A VERY unique
> >  first and last name helped, so I called the Junior name. My son
answered,
> >  and I gently probed
> >  until I found out he had no idea that I existed. So...I dropped the
> >  'F'-bomb (FATHER) on him.
> >  
> >  "I am your biological father." I gave him information about me.
He, of
> >  course, was blown out.
> >  He said he couldn't talk right then. About 5 hours later I
received a phone
> >  call from a very blunt,
> >  intense woman. She grilled me about his mother, our meeting,
where the mom
> >  was from...during the
> >  conversation...I mean interrogation...I figured that she was his
wife. It
> >  wasn't like she didn't give me clues...
> >  "What are you to my husband?" was a big one! After about 30
minutes, I
> >  guess she saw that I wasn't the 
> >  least bit defensive, I answered every painful question she had.
So she
> >  handed the phone to my son.
> >  
> >  We talked, shared information, laughed, and marveled at how
parallel our
> >  lives were. That is the ONLY
> >  conversation we have ever had. It was summer 1998. I have sent
him letters
> >  and pictures, and he has
> >  responded with the same. It turns o

[scifinoir2] OT: Good news on the blogging front...

[g123curious]

FYI... for those in the New England area...

I will be speaking at this ACLU conference on January 26, 2008 during a 
workshop titled "Blogging For Civil Liberties." To learn more, see:
http://action.aclum.org/2008conference

George
http://ivebeenmugged.typepad.com

Re: [scifinoir2] Iraq Vets Killing Stateside

[KeithBJohnson]

good point you raise: is there any empirical data for the percentage of vets 
with post-traumatic stress from each war that led became debilitating, and how 
many from each war turned to violent or even psychotic behaviour? The cliche 
has always been that the Doughboys and GIs of WWI and WWII had it rough, but 
were so loved when they came back that they settled into life nicely. (Ken 
Burns' latest documentary turns that idea on its head insofar as WWII is 
concerned). Not sure what the scuttlebutt is on Korea, but Vietnam has long 
been the poster child for turning nice young boys into psycho killers.

I'm curious as to how each "war" compares in terms of the psychological 
casualties it produced in this country?

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Just like the Nam vets...just like Korea and WWII...In short, this is not a 
revelation and it seems as if we'll never learn our lesson...

Amy Harlib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This is what happens when vets are not given proper re-adjustment to 
civilian life programs, neglect as serious as the neglect of their health 
care. Indicts the Bush administration all the more. That is the real 
criminal - Bush and his policies!
Amy

Subject: [scifinoir2] Iraq Vets Killing Stateside

Across America, Deadly Echoes of Foreign Battles
By DEBORAH SONTAG and LIZETTE ALVAREZ
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/us/13vets.html?_r=1&hp=&oref=slogin&pagewanted=print
Late one night in the summer of 2005, Matthew Sepi, a 20-year-old Iraq
combat veteran, headed out to a 7-Eleven in the seedy Las Vegas
neighborhood where he had settled after leaving the Army.

This particular 7-Eleven sits in the shadow of the Stratosphere
casino-hotel in a section of town called the Naked City. By day, the
area, littered with malt liquor cans, looks depressed but not menacing.
By night, it becomes, in the words of a local homicide detective, “like
Falluja.”

Mr. Sepi did not like to venture outside too late. But, plagued by
nightmares about an Iraqi civilian killed by his unit, he often needed
alcohol to fall asleep. And so it was that night, when, seized by a gut
feeling of lurking danger, he slid a trench coat over his slight frame —
and tucked an assault rifle inside it.

“Matthew knew he shouldn’t be taking his AK-47 to the 7-Eleven,”
Detective Laura Andersen said, “but he was scared to death in that
neighborhood, he was military trained and, in his mind, he needed the
weapon to protect himself.”

Head bowed, Mr. Sepi scurried down an alley, ignoring shouts about
trespassing on gang turf. A battle-weary grenadier who was still legally
under-age, he paid a stranger to buy him two tall cans of beer, his
self-prescribed treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder.

As Mr. Sepi started home, two gang members, both large and both armed,
stepped out of the darkness. Mr. Sepi said in an interview that he spied
the butt of a gun, heard a boom, saw a flash and “just snapped.”

In the end, one gang member lay dead, bleeding onto the pavement. The
other was wounded. And Mr. Sepi fled, “breaking contact” with the enemy,
as he later described it. With his rifle raised, he crept home, loaded
180 rounds of ammunition into his car and drove until police lights
flashed behind him.

“Who did I take fire from?” he asked urgently. Wearing his Army
camouflage pants, the diminutive young man said he had been ambushed and
then instinctively “engaged the targets.” He shook. He also cried.

“I felt very bad for him,” Detective Andersen said.

Nonetheless, Mr. Sepi was booked, and a local newspaper soon reported:
“Iraq veteran arrested in killing.”

Town by town across the country, headlines have been telling similar
stories. Lakewood, Wash.: “Family Blames Iraq After Son Kills Wife.”
Pierre, S.D.: “Soldier Charged With Murder Testifies About Postwar
Stress.” Colorado Springs: “Iraq War Vets Suspected in Two Slayings,
Crime Ring.”

Individually, these are stories of local crimes, gut-wrenching
postscripts to the war for the military men, their victims and their
communities. Taken together, they paint the patchwork picture of a quiet
phenomenon, tracing a cross-country trail of death and heartbreak.

The New York Times found 121 cases in which veterans of Iraq and
Afghanistan committed a killing in this country, or were charged with
one, after their return from war. In many of those cases, combat trauma
and the stress of deployment — along with alcohol abuse, family discord
and other attendant problems — appear to have set the stage for a
tragedy that was part destruction, part self-destruction.

Three-quarters of these veterans were still in the military at the time
of the killing. More than half the killings involved guns, and the rest
were stabbings, beatings, strangulations and bathtub drownings.
Twenty-five offenders faced murder, manslaughter or homicide charges for
fatal car crashes res

Re: [scifinoir2] Twins separated at birth met and married

[KeithBJohnson]

naw, i'd say a more Southern love would be for sweet iced tea!
and by the way, just funnin' you on the parlour and swing thing. In the modern 
South that's never really done anymore.

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Now that is a bit too stereotypical for the bunch I ran into, but I will say 
that they had their ideas about northern-born blacks...By the way, I love 
lemonade...you don't think that had anything to do with my mom being from 
Georgia, do you?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just seems so quaint and Southern, sitting in the 
parlour talking. Had y'all not be cousins, next thing you would have ended up 
on the swing chair on the front porch, sippin' lemonade!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Come on man! a stranger has come over to see your daughter...I have no problem 
with that at all...Besides, I thought it was kind of adorable to have family 
members that protective of you...I guess we'd end up going to a movie or 
something...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow, sounds like something from a soap opera!
Out of curiousity, why was Moms listening in to your conversation in the other 
room? This being Savannah and all, were y'all gonna go courtin' in the front 
parlour??!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
I feel you. Keith...When I was stationed in South Carolina, one of the guys in 
my unit set me up with a girl in neighboring Savannah, Georgia, his home town. 
So we went to her house and were introduced. "Where or you from?" she asked me. 
"I'm from Chicago," I replied. "Wow, I have an aunt Clara who lives, there," 
she said excitedly. "Really? so do I," I said in kind "What's her last name?"
"Carter," was her answer. I stopped cold.
"Um...by chance do you have any relatives named Bynes?" I asked.
"Yes," she answered.
"What about Badie?"
"Why, yes!"
Oh boy, I thought.
"Well, it's a pleasure to meet you, cousin!"
Her mom, who was listening in the other room stuck her head out, along with her 
brother. We all had a good laugh that day, but I never dated another girl in 
Savannah, because I fond that I was practically related to the entire city! 
Meanwhile, David, my buddy sat there saying "Oh no!" So I think I have an idea 
of how you felt... 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When I graduate from high school, my mom sat me down one day and said "I want 
to show you a picture". She showed me a snapshot of a Black girl attending what 
I later found out was a Jack and Jill Ball. "She's gorgeous!" I exclaimed. "Who 
is she?"

"That's your half sister", mom replied.

She went on to tell me that now that I was going to be leaving home, she wanted 
to make sure I didn't accidentally run into my half sister and have something 
like the story below happen. My birth day had about nine kids outside of my and 
my siblings by my birth mom, and I've never met any of them. Since this 
particular half-sister was my age and going to college in the general area, Mom 
wanted to make sure i recognized her in case we met. Since there were still a 
lot of other siblings of my running around I didn't know, when my wife Phyllis 
and I met, there were a lot of questions about her parentage just to be safe.

-- Original message -- 
From: "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)" 

> Fri Jan 11, 2008 3:50pm EST 
> 
> LONDON (Reuters) - A couple discovered after they had married that they 
> were twins who had been split up at birth and adopted by separate 
> families, according to a member of Britain's House of Lords. 
> 
> British peer David Alton recounted the story to parliament last month to 
> support his argument that artificially conceived children should be told 
> who their biological parents are. 
> 
> Alton said he had heard the story of the separated twins from a High 
> Court judge who had dealt with the case. 
> 
> "This did not involve in vitro fertilization: It involved the normal 
> birth of twins who were separated at birth and adopted by separate 
> parents," said Alton, an independent member of the Lords. "They were 
> never told that they were twins." 
> 
> "They met later in life and felt an inevitable attraction, and the judge 
> had to deal with the consequences of the marriage that they entered into 
> and all the issues of their separation," he said. 
> 
> "I suspect that it will be a matter of litigation in the future if we do 
> not make information of this kind available to children who have been 
> donor-conceived," he said. 
> 
> Alton could not immediately be reached for comment and no further 
> information was available about the twins or where they were from. 
> 
> "I think it's a very tragic story for the people involved," said Pam 
> Hodgkins, head of a group that helps adults affected by adoption. 
> 
> "It is a lesson that we need to learn and apply to the situation of 
> donor-conceived children," she told Sky News. 
> 
> "Whilst ... nowadays it w

[scifinoir2] [Fwd: An Ambivalent Embrace of Obama:

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

 Original Message 
Subject:[AFAMHED] FW: Dr. Maulana Karenga On Obama
Date:   Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:39:42 -0500
From:   Coates, Rodney D. Dr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To:   Coates, Rodney D. Dr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



An Ambivalent Embrace of Obama:
The Maturity or Masking of America
Los Angeles Times, 01-10-08, p. A-7
Dr. Maulana Karenga


It is a fundamental lesson of our history, witnessed and inscribed in the
hard-rock reality of our daily lives and enduring struggle, that there is
no easy walk or way to freedom, no shortcut or quick jump to justice or
empowerment of the people and no untroubled and trial-free path to an
enduring peace in the world. Every inch of ground gained and every
achievement worthy of the name requires serious and sustained struggle.
Indeed, Frederick Douglass forever reminds us “Without struggle, there is
no progress.” Thus, as we dare the awesome task of repairing and remaking
society and the world, we must also remember Amilcar Cabral’s advice to
“mask no difficulties, tell no lies and claim no easy victory.”

And so, when we see Barack Obama embraced and voted frontrunner in Iowa,
we must not misread the signs or see signs where there is none. Even the
most cynical among us can see that Obama speaks to the masses of people
needing and longing for another way to understand and assert themselves
in the world. They yearn to move away from the Bush-men’s fear peddling
and people-hate, their war-mongering and wanton waste of lives and
futures, and their polar-cold contempt for the rightful concerns of the
masses of people of this country and the world. Certainly, the people
would rather send their sons and daughters to college than to die an
undeserved death in an unjust and illegal war. They are tired of the
crass con-games of Karl Rove, the cultivating of paranoia posing as
patriotism of Dick Cheney and the readiness of the crazed right to blow
up the world in the name of an imagined superior race, racialized
religion or some other illusion on which they self-medicate and sell to
others. And Obama lifts the people up; talks hope, healing, unity and
change, and offers a chance for everyone to come together on common
ground and to act together for the common good.

But there are signs that all is not as it seems here. First, the claims
of the maturing of America is code for the maturing of White America thru
its media-claimed move beyond racist and racialized thought and practice
to endorse a Black man as frontrunner in a 95% White and small state
called Iowa. Surely, the problems of centuries of racial injustice and
oppression are not solved even by the election of a Black president of
the country let alone by the political endorsement of a small Midwestern
state. The question remains what will they do in the long run and when
they don’t vote by raising their hands as in Iowa but vote in secret and
serious remembrance of race and class in states still to speak?

Perhaps, the White support for Obama is softer and more ambivalent than
we want to believe and depends for many on his temporary use as a
sellable symbol of racial reconciliation without resolution thru
struggle; an undeniable asset in party-building, bringing in new voters
and those once alienated; and for providing a mask and moral message of
change from an African American known for compromise and seeking
consensus.

Secondly, one cannot claim political or moral maturity on the issue of
race if Obama is compelled to practice ethnic self-concealment as an
African American. Much has been made of his being a “Kansas Kenyan”,
which is seen as a mixed and “global identity”, free of the “urban
identity” that suggests anger, indictment and social justice claims. But
this makes as much sense as finding relief and some confused and
convenient meaning in Colin Powell’s being a “New York Jamaican”, instead
of an African American shaped, like Obama and other mixed race and
nationality Blacks, in the crucible of life and struggle in America. And
what justice or principled unity is there, if we, as Africans, have to
come to the table of common ground naked and in need of White approval
rather than fully clothed in the concerns and identity of our own
cultural community, not needing permission or sanction from anyone?

Thirdly, when Obama talks of change it must be more than one president
and administration replacing another. It must be structural, systemic not
simple surface change? This means change in the unegalitarian
distribution of wealth and power in this country which are overwhelmingly
in White hands and this requires a movement not just an election.
Moreover, if we declare the need and desire for real change, we must
prefigure in our current practice the future we wish to forge and bring
into being. Thus, if he values multicultural and multiracial cooperation
for common good, Obama must have more than Whites around him as major
advisors and they must be seen and known, r

[scifinoir2] [Fwd: FW: [Playahata ] Listen to Lester & Najee's letter to Bob Johnson]

[Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)]

 Original Message 
Subject:FW: [Playahata ] Listen to Lester & Najee's letter to Bob 
Johnson
Date:   Tue, 15 Jan 2008 10:35:50 -0500
From:   CINQUE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


*From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Hataz We R
*Sent:* Tuesday, January 15, 2008 10:11 AM
*To:* PlayahataCommunity
*Subject:* [Playahata ] Listen to Lester &Najee's letter to Bob Johnson

*Sound and fury on the campaign trail*
*The debate over the Clinton campaign's remarks on race has favored
symbol over substance, and that's bad for black America. *
*By Lester Spence*
Jan. 14, 2008 | /"We have to be very, very careful about how we speak
about that era in American politics ... It is one thing to run a
campaign and be respectful of everyone's motives and actions, and it is
something else to denigrate those. That bothered me a great deal." /
-- Rep. James Clyburn of South Carolina, as quoted in the New York Times
on Friday.
Clyburn's comments to the Times, along with his hint that he might drop
his neutral status and make an endorsement before the South Carolina
presidential primary
because of Bill and Hillary Clinton
's remarks
denigrating Barack Obama 's
campaign, kicked the presidential primary race into a new phase that
seems to be all about race.
It started last Monday in New Hampshire,
 when Clinton made an
attempt to distinguish between her practical experience and Obama's
lyrically potent message of "hope," and noted that while Martin Luther
King Jr. nobly fought for change, "it took a president to get it done."
Then came the "fairy tale" remark by former President Clinton,
 who now says he only used it
to refer to Obama's claim that he's never wavered in his opposition to
the Iraq war.
Clyburn seemed to view such statements as insensitive at best and mildly
racist at worst, and enough for him to think about changing his mind and
putting his weight behind one of the other candidates. He has since
withdrawn his threat, but the controversy won't go away. On "Meet the
Press" Sunday, Clinton tried to blame the Obama campaign for fanning the
flames about her remarks, which Obama denied as "ludicrous." But a memo
leaked to the Huffington Post showed

 

the Obama camp had compiled a list of examples of Clinton's alleged
racial insensitivity that it was sharing with activists. Finally on
Sunday BET founder Bob Johnson got Clinton into hotter water by seeming
to refer to Obama's self-confessed youthful drug experimentation in a
speech on Clinton's behalf in South Carolina.
What's striking in all of the controversy is that it centers on racial
symbols, rather than substance. I believe Clyburn missed a prime
opportunity to move the country's focus beyond symbolic slights toward
real democratic change -- and this says a great deal about the practice
of black politics at the elite level. And the fact that the mainstream
media is paying such close attention to the debate over words and
symbols says even more about what America thinks of black politics --
that it is more about reducing racial offense and fights over "black
leaders" than it is about reducing the real impact of racism on the
lives of black citizens, using government to do so.
Here are a couple of facts about South Carolina and about Rep. Clyburn's
district that I wish had become part of the debate. This is the first
election in modern memory where the Democratic candidates really have to
compete for African-American voters. And by "compete" I do not mean go
to a black church, use a fake black accent, talk about black folks'
spirituality, blame black folks for black folks' problems -- and then
expect their votes. The winner of the South Carolina primary will be the
person that gets the most African-American votes period. And because
each of the three Democratic candidates remaining needs those votes,
they have to go after them vigorously. This places African-Americans and
their elected representatives in a prime position.
With that in mind, take a look at James Clyburn's congressional
district. It is predominantly black, having been carved by black
Democrats and white Republicans in order to ensure a majority black
district, and encompasses five counties as well as parts of 10 others.
It has a large number of poor residents. The poverty rate in
Williamsburg County, for example, is almost double the state's poverty
rate, at 27.90 percent (with a child poverty rate of approximately 36
percent). It is far below the United States average in the percentage of
its citizens educated beyond high school. Its median household income is
more than $17,000 lower than 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight

[Daryle]

K-Ville was in limbo because of the Strike, but yesterday a lot of shows got
canceled because of the strike. They called it ³Black Monday². Here¹s a
Hollywood Reporter article about it:

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i1f048e311710f2fb
afb08ac7b0b34e19

>From this article, here¹s the relevant paragraph:

³In a clear sign about the future of Fox's "K-Ville" and NBC's "Journeyman"
-- two low-rated 20th TV-produced freshman series whose ultimate fate has
remained in limbo because of the strike -- the studio terminated the overall
deals of "K-Ville" creator/exec producer Jonathan Lisco and co-exec producer
Lawrence Kaplow as well as that of "Journeyman" creator/exec producer Kevin
Falls.²


On 1/15/08 9:16 AM, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers strike. it
> wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in my
> hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight,
> after "Prison Break". I think this might be its regular time slot, now
> that K*ville has been cancelled
>> > 
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
> 
>  
> 




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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight

[Daryle]

So I watched the second episode last night and...and so I like Summer Glau
(I already liked her in Firefly) -- but I think this is totally a one season
show. 


On 1/15/08 9:16 AM, "B. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers strike. it
> wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in my
> hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy.
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com  ,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> > Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight,
> after "Prison Break". I think this might be its regular time slot, now
> that K*ville has been cancelled
>> > 
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
> 
>  
> 




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[scifinoir2] Smith co-stars in sci-fi movie

[Daryle]

source: Hollywood Reporter

Smith down to 'Earth' for sci-fi re-do

By Leslie Simmons 

Jan 15, 2008
Jaden Smith has landed a part in Fox's sci-fi thriller "The Day the Earth
Stood Still."

Smith will play the rebellious Jacob, the 8-year-old stepson of scientist
Helen Benson (Jennifer Connelly) who first makes contact with the humanoid
alien Klaatu (Keanu Reeves). Kathy Bates and Golden Globe winner Jon Hamm
also star.

Scott Derrickson is directing the contemporary reinvention of the 1951 Fox
classic being produced by Erwin Stoff, Gregory Goodman and Paul Boardman. It
is filming in Vancouver.

David Scarpa penned the screenplay about Klaatu's arrival on Earth that
triggers a global upheaval as governments and scientists race to unravel the
mystery behind his appearance.

Smith's Jacob and stepmother Helen get caught up in Klaatu's mission,
coming to understand the ramifications of his being a self-described "friend
to the Earth."


The 9-year-old is the son of Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith. He
co-starred in 2006 with his father in "The Pursuit of Happyness," for which
he won a Teen Choice Award and an MTV Movie Award.

Smith is repped by WMA's Nicole David and Overbrook Management's James
Lassiter and Miguel Melendez.

Re: [scifinoir2] Fw: Bush sells weapons to Saudi Arabia

[Martin]

Amy, now we know why he went to the Middle East- personal delivery. :P

I would love to see him leave the White House and go directly to the Big House, 
but I'm almost dead certain that Ed Rollins and Turd Blossom will conspire to 
martyr the man, and put another Republican in the White House.

Amy Harlib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



This (AP article below) reads as much as a farce as it does news-- our prez 
goes to
Israel where he has already promised them $30 billion over the
next 10 years, some part of which (if it follows the usual rules, 75%) will 
have to be
spent on US weapons manufacturers. Then he goes to Saudi Arabia and other
"friendly" Arab nations and sells/gives them another $11 billion's worth of
weapons made in the USA. Doesn't matter if the US taxpayer is footing the
bill or not, the US weapons manufacturers just made a nice chunk of change.
and chances are the US taxpayer has contributed mightily to the deal.

Isn't it dignified, for us to have the best government that money can buy?

And, Bush, who just stole the last two elections, and did his level best to
reduce our democracy to ashes is going to advocate "democracy" to the
Saudis? How can these AP folks write this trash with a straight face?

and
"the king greeted Bush at the base of the steps of Air Force One — a gesture 
the president never affords foreign leaders visiting the U.S. A band played 
each country's national anthem as the leaders walked on a red carpet behind a 
high-stepping uniformed officer carrying a gold sword."

How lovely and democratic-- one wonders whether the people in Saudi Arabia hate 
their
own dictator as much as they hate Bush, a topic not touched on in this piece of 
Pravda writing...

Ah, but I rant... Check it out for yourself, and let yourself feel the full 
range of disgust
at what our country has become... -- AH


- Original Message - 
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 4:10 PM
Subject: Bush sells weapons to Saudi Arabia


Bush delivers arms sale to Saudi Arabia 
By ANNE GEARAN, AP Diplomatic Writer 38 minutes ago 

 
President Bush, on his first visit to this oil-rich kingdom, delivered a major 
arms sale Monday to a key ally in a region where the U.S. casts neighboring 
Iran as a menace to stability.
Bush's talks with Saudi King Abdullah, which began over dinner and were 
continuing with late-night meetings, also were expected to cover peace between 
Israelis and Palestinians and democracy in the Middle East.
Coinciding with Bush's trip, the Bush administration in Washington notified 
Congress on Monday that it will offer Saudi Arabia the chance to buy 
sophisticated Joint Direct Attack Munitions — or "smart bomb" — technology and 
related equipment, the State Department said. The administration envisions the 
transfer of 900 of the precision-guided bomb kits, worth $123 million, that 
would give the kingdom's armed forces highly accurate targeting abilities.
The proposed deal follows notification of five other packages to Saudi Arabia, 
the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait, bringing to $11.5 billion the amount of 
advanced U.S. weaponry, including Patriot missiles, that the administration has 
announced it will provide to friendly Arab nations, State Department spokesman 
Sean McCormack said. Administration officials say the total amount of eventual 
sales as part of the Gulf Security Dialogue is estimated at $20 billion, a 
figure subject to actual purchases.
The arms packages are an important part of the U.S. strategy to bolster the 
defenses of oil-producing Gulf nations, such as Saudi Arabia, against threats 
from Iran. Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states, which have majority Sunni Muslim 
populations, harbor deep suspicions about Shiite Iran's apparent designs to 
establish itself as a major power.
Congress already has been briefed on all the packages, which also include the 
sale of the Navy's Littoral Combat system. Lawmakers mostly see the deals as 
critical to maintaining relations with war-on-terror allies. Some are opposed 
to the JDAMs portion out of concern that it gives Saudi Arabia the ability to 
attack Israel, but are unlikely to muster the two-thirds majority needed, 
within an allowed 30-day period, to block the sales.
The administration has assured lawmakers in closed briefings in recent months 
that there would be proper restrictions on the JDAMs sales to ensure they would 
not threaten to Israel. Israel, which has been sold JDAMs technology by the 
U.S. as well, also has said it does not oppose the deal.
White House counselor Ed Gillespie said he did not know if the president and 
the king had discussed rising oil prices, but he said the subject has come up 
on this trip, particularly in terms of Bush's goals for developing alternate 
fuels and sources of energy, including nuclear power. The Saudis are 
responsible for almost one-third of OPEC's total output. Gillespie said Mideast 
leaders "talked about the nature of the market and the vast demand tha

[scifinoir2] Re: Sarah Connor Chronicles on Tonight

[B. Smith]

I thought K-Ville wrapped up production due to the writers strike. it 
wasn't my favorite show but I watched it because it was filmed in my 
hometown and pumped some cash into the local economy.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Not sure if everyone was aware the show was airing tonight, 
after "Prison Break". I think this might be its regular time slot, now 
that K*ville has been cancelled
> 
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>

[scifinoir2] How to be Black in a Horror Movie

[Gymfig]

Introduction
Being a black person in a horror _movie_ 
(http://www.ehow.com/how_2102479_be-black-horror-movie.html#)  isn't easy. 
You're rarely the hero, hardly ever the 
villain, and more often than not you end up dead. But as they say, "When in 
Rome…die as a Roman," or something like that. At least there are steps you can 
take to make your inevitable demise run as smoothly as possible. 
Instructions
Difficulty: Moderately Easy 
Things You'll Need
*   Blackness  
*   The ability to die 
Steps
 
1
Step One
Be athletic. This gives you a character trait with which people can identify 
you, as you will probably be written with little personality. Try wearing a 
letterman jacket and carrying some sort of ball. 

 
2
Step Two
Hang out with white people. They'll inevitably go snooping around a spooky 
house or an abandoned oil rig, and then it's your turn to shine! 

 
3
Step Three
Die valiantly, preferably with the phrase "Save yourselves!" or "Get out of 
here!" It helps if you're Charles Dutton. 

 
4
Step Four
Learn voodoo. Raise the dead if the need arises. 

 
5
Step Five
Gather up two friends and mug someone in an alley, not realizing that he's a 
superhuman murderer or alien or predator or superhuman murdering alien 
predator with tentacles that shoot out of his armpits and burn you with acidic 
armpit 
moisture and make your face melt like in Raiders of the Lost Ark, or 
something. Anyway, the point is: you die. 

 
6
Step Six
Be funny. Who knows, you might actually survive if the audience likes you. If 
this means being scared of your own shadow, so be it. Learn how to 
"skedaddle." 

 
7
Step Seven
If you're old, be wise. Learn all about the legend of the three-eyed mutant 
who was teased as a child and abandoned in the swamp only to emerge every full 
moon to exact revenge. This will come in handy when the hero comes to you and 
asks what the heck is going on. After you tell him, of course, you'll probably 
be ripped to shreds, you snitch. 

 
8
Step Eight
Seduce the hero. It helps if you're a vampire or some sort of seducing-type 
undead person with a cape. 

 
9
Step Nine
Be a rapper. This could take some time if you have to A) learn how to rap, B) 
get signed to a record deal, C) have a hit song, D) get shot in order to 
prove your street credibility and E) retire to become an actor, but when you're 
on 
screen being stabbed to death with a pitchfork, it'll all be worth it. 

 
10
Step Ten
Make your own movie. Nowadays, all you need is a digital video camera, a few 
lights (bug zappers will do), a backyard, a great movie poster and Lance 
Henriksen. 
 
 
 
_http://www.ehow.com/how_2102479_be-black-horror-movie.html_ 
(http://www.ehow.com/how_2102479_be-black-horror-movie.html) 




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[scifinoir2] Blacks in Horror

[Gymfig]

_http://blackhorrormovies.com/whatsnew.htm_ 
(http://blackhorrormovies.com/whatsnew.htm) 



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Re: [scifinoir2] Clinton, Obama step back from flap

[GWashin891]

Okay.   I stand corrected and actually I can see it.   I may not be an Obama 
supporter but I do lke the fact he has tried to take the high road during this 
campaign.   The Clintions have been know for using under-the-table dirty 
tricks.   Especially when they are up against the wall (like Hillary is now).


-GTW


In a message dated 1/15/08 2:20:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:


> Actually, I read several sources that said Obama called the truce in the
> middle of a speech.  I think that thereafter the Clintons had no
> choice.  I'm not surprised.  I remember that there used to read about
> people who could testify against in their various cases them dying under
> mysterious circumstances or committing suicide in bizarre ways. (more
> than 20 people)  It was rumored they were behind it.  If it is true,
> then campaign dirty tricks is small time for them.
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Same here.   The last thing we need is to give blacks more excuses to stay
> > home instead of going to vote.   I got the feeling someone in Clinton's 
> camp
> > told her that.
> >
> >
> > -GTW
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 1/14/08 9:06:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > writes:
> >
> >
> >  
> >> Wit a very heavy heart, I have to agree sigh
> >>
> >> Daryle wrote:
> >>    
> >>> This is one of those things you can$B".(Bt recover from. The damage is 
> already
> >>> done. I think that if the party loses this year, we can trace it all 
> back
> >>>      
> >> to
> >>    
> >>> New Hampshire.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 1/14/08 8:38 PM, "Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)"
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080115/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp
> >>>> Democratic presidential rivals Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama
> >>>> stepped back from a controversy over race Monday night, agreeing that a
> >>>> prolonged clash over civil rights could harm their party's overall 
> drive
> >>>> to win the White House.
> >>>>
> >>>> The two leading Democratic contenders shifted course as Republicans
> >>>> pointed toward Tuesday's pivotal primary in Michigan, where Mitt Romney
> >>>> and John McCain both pledged to lead a revival for a state and an auto
> >>>> industry ravaged by recession.
> >>>>
> >>>> Obama was the first to try and quell the controversy that flared in the
> >>>> Democratic campaign in recent days, calling reporters together to say 
> he
> >>>> didn't want the campaign "to degenerate into so much tit-for-tat,
> >>>> back-and-forth that we lose sight of why all of us are doing this."
> >>>>
> >>>> Referring to Clinton and former Sen. John Edwards, he said that while
> >>>> they may have disagreements, "we share the same goals. We're all
> >>>> Democrats, we all believe in civil rights, we all believe in equal
> >>>>        
> >> rights."
> >>    
> >>>> Clinton's campaign issued a statement in the same vein about an hour or
> >>>> so after Obama spoke, saying it was time to seek common ground. "And in
> >>>> that spirit, let's come together, because I want more than anything 
> else
> >>>> to ensure that our family stays together on the front lines of the
> >>>> struggle to expand rights for all Americans," she said.
> >>>>
> >>>> Strikingly, though, one of Clinton's supporters, New York Rep. Charles
> >>>> Rangel, was sharply critical of Obama in an interview during the day.
> >>>> "How race got into this thing is because Obama said 'race,'" Rangel, 
> the
> >>>> dean of the Congressional Black Caucus, said on NY1.
> >>>>
> >>>> For all the maneuvering, Democrats are without a contested election on
> >>>> Tuesday.
> >>>>
> >>>> That was in contrast to the Republican campaign, where McCain and 
> Romney
> >>>> battled in a Michigan primary that neither could afford to lose.
> >>>>
> >>>> "I will not rest until Michigan is back," said Romney, a native son who
> >>>> jabbed at his rival