Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi

[Gerald Haynes]

I've always considered "The Silence" as one of my favorites. I know it's been 
spoofed a million times, but for some reason "To Serve Man" always gets me. 
"The Dummy" creeps me out every time I see it... well, because it's a talking 
dummy.

 Gerald Haynes


"Time, Money, and Quality, you may have only two."
"Never enough time to do it right. Always enough time to do it over."
"Continual improvement is always better than delayed perfection."





From: "keithbjohn...@comcast.net" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 12:55:01 AM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi


Which ep was that one? Is it the one when the people flee their planet in a 
spaceship because they fear nuclear annihilation is nigh?
You're so right about the depth of the show. Even now, I will catch an ep I've 
never seen before--or at least, not in its entirety. I'm still amazed at the 
power of such shows.

 -- Original message  - -
From: Daryle Lockhart 
> 2 weeks ago, they  showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat 
> there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it 
> in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school.  Serling was 
> SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10  lists that 
> have "Kick The Can"  and "Time Enough At Last"  aren't digging deep 
> enough into the series. This was really  good writing, and in some 
> cases,  some really good acting!
> 
> On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone" 
> > marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST 
> > tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and 
> > original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly fifty-year-old 
> > series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right now. 
> > I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the evil 
> > little kid who sends "bad" people to the cornfield... William 
> > Shatner freaking out at the gremlin jumping on the wing of his 
> > plane during a storm...the diabolical little "Talking Tina" doll 
> > who determines to kill abusive stepdad Telly Savalas...Robert 
> > Redford's TV debut as the handsome spirit of Death stalking a 
> > fearful old woman... --and on and on.
> >
> > Some of the shows are a bit dated now, if only because their 
> > endings are no longer a surprise to someone steeped in decades of 
> > scifi lore (such as the man and woman astronauts stranded on an 
> > unknown planet who at the end reveal their names to be Adam and 
> > Eve). But despite that, the Zone is still an engaging, intelligent, 
> > and relevant show. One can't help watch the ep where everyone is 
> > forced to get a new body as a teen, even though all the bodies look 
> > alike, without thinking of the group think the soon departing 
> > administration foisted on this country. Or how can you look at 
> > Burgess Meredith's bookish character, sentenced to death for being 
> > "obsolete" in a State where reading old books and the Bible is 
> > banned, and not feel the sting of fundamentalists who try to force 
> > one moral stricture on all people? All of it wrapped in some of the 
> > best writing TV's ever seen, with Rod Serling and others' sharp 
> > dialogue firing off like the writings of a great play, language 
> > wielded like a fine to
> > ol, with even the names of the characters a treat. And who can 
> > forget Serling himself, delivering that inimitable clipped-speak 
> > that introduces each show.
> >
> > Twilight Zone may be older than me, its shows all black and white 
> > and lacking in fancy CGI and FX, its plots sometimes predictable. 
> > But it still has messages that resonate at any time, warnings we 
> > all need to heed, humour we can all share, and a professionalism of 
> > writing and acting that i wish more creators nowadays would mimic.
> >
> > 
> 




-Inline Message Follows-


2 weeks ago, they  showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat there like 
it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it in years, and it was 
my favorite episode in high school.  Serling was SO ahead of his time with 
these episodes, and top 10  lists that  have "Kick The Can"  and "Time Enough 
At Last"  aren't digging deep enough into the series. This was really  good 
writing, and in some cases,  some really good acting! 


On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote:

I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone" marathon since 
yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST tomorrow morning. You know, it's 
kinda sad: all the new and original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly 
fifty-year-old series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right now. 
I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the evil little kid 
who sends "bad" people to the cornfield... William Sha

[scifinoir2] AP: Toyota Secretly Developing Solar Powered Green Car

[Tracey de Morsella]

TOKYO - Toyota Motor Corp. is secretly developing a vehicle that will be
powered solely by solar energy in an effort to turn around its struggling
business with a futuristic ecological car, a top business daily reported
Thursday.

The Nikkei newspaper, however, said it will be years before the planned
vehicle will be available on the market. Toyota's offices were closed
Thursday and officials were not immediately available for comment.

According to The Nikkei, Toyota is working on an electric vehicle that will
get some of its power from solar cells equipped on the vehicle, and that can
be recharged with electricity generated from solar panels on the roofs of
homes. The automaker later hopes to develop a model totally powered by solar
cells on the vehicle, the newspaper said without citing sources.

The solar car is part of efforts by Japan's top automaker to grow during
hard times, The Nikkei said.

In December, Toyota stunned the nation by announcing it will slip into its
first operating loss in 70 years, as it gets battered by a global slump,
especially in the key U.S. market. The surging yen has also hurt the
earnings of Japanese automakers.

Still, Toyota is a leader in green technology and executives have stressed
they won't cut back on environmental research despite its troubles.

Toyota, the manufacturer of the Lexus luxury car and Camry sedan, has
already begun using solar panels at its Tsutsumi plant in central Japan to
produce some of its own electricity.

The solar panels on the roofs add up in size to the equivalent of 60 tennis
courts and produce enough electricity to power 500 homes, according to
Toyota. That reduces 740 tons a year of carbon dioxide emissions and is
equal to using 1,500 barrels of crude oil.

Toyota is also likely to indirectly gain expertise in solar energy when its
partner in developing and producing hybrid batteries, Panasonic Corp., takes
over Japanese rival Sanyo Electric Co., a leader in solar energy, early next
year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/01/ap-toyota-secretly-develo_n_154654.
html

Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup

[Martin Baxter]

Nothing but truth in those words.

(standing ovation)





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 Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:08:38 +

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Whenever I see articles where people decry the "inhumane" treatment of animals, 
my two sides always war with other. The one side indeed hates to hear of even 
animals that are being killed for food treated in brutal fashion. I hate the 
idea, for example, of dropping live lobsters into boiling water. So 
suffocation, strangling, beating them to death appalls me. Kill them humanely 
(as strangely as that sounds).

The other side, though, is always the cynical one that wonders how many of 
these folks eat meat themselves and are just focusing on a certain *type* of 
animal. Many folks eat chicken, cow, pork, and seafood, for example, but then 
freak at countries where cats and dogs are on the menu, calling them "barbaric" 
or "uncivilized". Well, that's just a matter of culture and taste--literally. 
So, kill them with kindness, but don't condemn someone for eating Fluffy or 
Fido, 'cause in some cultures, your serving up those steaks is just as barbaric.




 -- Original message --
From: "ravenadal" 
> "Cats have a strong flavor. Dogs taste much better, but if you really 
> want cat meat, I can have it delivered by tomorrow," said the butcher, 
> who gave only her surname, Huang.
> 
> 
> http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/printedition/2008/12/19/cats.html
> 
> Chinese protest over cats on menu
> 
> By William Foreman
> 
> Associated Press
> 
> Friday, December 19, 2008
> 
> Guangzhou, China �- While animal lovers in Beijing protested the 
> killing of cats for food on Thursday, a butcher in Guangdong province 
> �- where felines are the main ingredient in a famous soup �- just 
> shrugged her shoulders and wielded her cleaver.
> 
> "Cats have a strong flavor. Dogs taste much better, but if you really 
> want cat meat, I can have it delivered by tomorrow," said the butcher, 
> who gave only her surname, Huang.
> 
> It was just this attitude that outraged about 40 cat lovers who 
> unfurled banners in a tearful protest outside the Guangdong government 
> office in Beijing
> 
> Many were retirees who care for stray felines they said were being 
> rounded up by dealers.
> 
> "We must make them correct this uncivilized behavior," said Wang 
> Hongyao, who represented the group in submitting a letter urging the 
> provincial government to crack down on traders and restaurants, 
> although they were breaking no laws.
> 
> The protest was the latest clash between age-old traditions and the 
> new sensibilities made possible by China's growing affluence.
> 
> Pet ownership was once rare because the Communist Party condemned it 
> as bourgeois and most people simply couldn't afford a cat or dog.
> 
> The protesters' indignation was whipped up by recent reports in 
> Chinese newspapers about the cat meat industry.
> 
> On Monday, the Southern Metropolis Daily �- a Guangdong paper famous 
> for its exposes and aggressive reporting �- ran a story that said 
> about 1,000 cats were transported by train to Guangdong each day.
> 
> The animals came from Nanjing, a major trading hub for cats, the 
> newspaper said. They were brought to market by dealers on motorcycles, 
> crammed into wooden crates and sent to Guangdong on trains.
> 
> A photo showed a cat with green eyes peering from a crowded crate.
> 
> Some people in Nanjing spend their days "fishing for cats," often 
> stealing pets, the report said.
> 
> One cat owner in Guanghzou said people are afraid to let their pets 
> leave the house for fear they will get nabbed.
> 
> "It's never been this bad. Who knows, it might be because of the bad 
> economy. I've heard that there are cat-nabbing syndicates from Hunan 
> that are rounding up cats," said the man, who would only give his 
> surname, Lai, because he feared the cat business might be run by 
> gangsters.
> 
> People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, or PETA, issued a 
> statement Thursday decrying the cruel treatment.
> 
> "China has no animal protection laws, and throughout the country 
> scores of cats and dogs are bred or rounded up, crammed onto trucks 
> and driven for days under hellish conditions to animal markets, where 
> they are beaten to death, strangled or boiled alive," said a spokesman 
> for the group, Michael V. McGraw.
> 
> 





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi

[Martin Baxter]

Daryle, I was thinking the same thoughts as I watched.





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 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi

 Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:18:24 -0500

 From : Daryle Lockhart 

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


2 weeks ago, they showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat 
there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it 
in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school. Serling was 
SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10 lists that 
have "Kick The Can" and "Time Enough At Last" aren't digging deep 
enough into the series. This was really good writing, and in some 
cases, some really good acting!

On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

> I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone" 
> marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST 
> tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and 
> original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly fifty-year-old 
> series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right now. 
> I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the evil 
> little kid who sends "bad" people to the cornfield...William 
> Shatner freaking out at the gremlin jumping on the wing of his 
> plane during a storm...the diabolical little "Talking Tina" doll 
> who determines to kill abusive stepdad Telly Savalas...Robert 
> Redford's TV debut as the handsome spirit of Death stalking a 
> fearful old woman... --and on and on.
>
> Some of the shows are a bit dated now, if only because their 
> endings are no longer a surprise to someone steeped in decades of 
> scifi lore (such as the man and woman astronauts stranded on an 
> unknown planet who at the end reveal their names to be Adam and 
> Eve). But despite that, the Zone is still an engaging, intelligent, 
> and relevant show. One can't help watch the ep where everyone is 
> forced to get a new body as a teen, even though all the bodies look 
> alike, without thinking of the group think the soon departing 
> administration foisted on this country. Or how can you look at 
> Burgess Meredith's bookish character, sentenced to death for being 
> "obsolete" in a State where reading old books and the Bible is 
> banned, and not feel the sting of fundamentalists who try to force 
> one moral stricture on all people? All of it wrapped in some of the 
> best writing TV's ever seen, with Rod Serling and others' sharp 
> dialogue firing off like the writings of a great play, language 
> wielded like a fine to
> ol, with even the names of the characters a treat. And who can 
> forget Serling himself, delivering that inimitable clipped-speak 
> that introduces each show.
>
> Twilight Zone may be older than me, its shows all black and white 
> and lacking in fancy CGI and FX, its plots sometimes predictable. 
> But it still has messages that resonate at any time, warnings we 
> all need to heed, humour we can all share, and a professionalism of 
> writing and acting that i wish more creators nowadays would mimic.
>
> 




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

[scifinoir2] Film tries to capture long-ago Spirit

[ravenadal]

Find this article at: 
http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/movies/36895549.html

Film tries to capture long-ago Spirit

Movie battles lack of name recognition

By STEVE RAMOS

Posted: Jan. 1, 2009

Hollywood is in love with comic-book heroes after recent smashes "Iron 
Man," "The Incredible Hulk" and, of course, "The Dark Knight."

But "The Spirit" is something else.

Denny Colt (Gabriel Macht) is The Spirit, a criminologist resurrected 
as a masked crime-fighter sworn to protect his beloved hometown, 
Central City. Beautiful women surround him: Ellen Dolan (Sarah 
Paulson), Silken Floss (Scarlett Johansson), mysterious siren Lorelei 
(Jaime King), policewoman Morgenstern (Stana Katic) and French black 
widow Plaster of Paris (Paz Vega). His one true love is jewel thief 
Sand Saref (Eva Mendes). His nemesis is The Octopus (Samuel L. 
Jackson), a criminal determined to live forever.

Remember the big-budget movie adaptation of "The Phantom," based on 
the 1930s comic strip character, or Alec Baldwin's big-screen turn in 
1994 as "The Shadow"?

Of course you don't. Comic heroes popular in the past but generally 
out of circulation since often fail to attract young viewers. And that 
was the challenge facing writer-director Frank Miller and the creative 
team behind the movie update of "The Spirit," which opened in theaters 
on Christmas

"As far as what translates from comics to film, I think the truer they 
are to the source material the better," Miller said. "I would cite 
Marvel Entertainment's recent Iron Man and Incredible Hulk as two 
witty examples. If a film gets too presumptuous, they tend to fall 
apart."

Created long ago

In 1940, Will Eisner created a weekly comics magazine for 20 
newspapers. His first character was a city detective named Denny Colt, 
who he gave the more heroic alias The Spirit. Vulnerable, especially 
when a pretty woman is involved, The Spirit's costume consisted of a 
blue suit, gloves and, after some quick persuading by Eisner's 
superiors, a simple mask.

Deborah Del Prete, a Hollywood producer with a lifelong love for 
comics, decided she wanted to make "The Spirit" after meeting Eisner 
at a Comic-Con convention.

"I met with Will at his last Comic-Con, and he never wanted 'The 
Spirit' to be a period piece," Del Prete said. "You know, Will was a 
mentor to Frank (Miller), and they enjoyed a long friendship. But 
Frank looks at things that have been considered classic, and he has 
his own point of view. I think he created something in this movie 
that's fun and dramatic and exciting. There are definite noir elements 
and period costume elements, but it's contemporary, too."

As with other superhero movies, "The Spirit" calls for loads of 
special effects. But because "The Spirit" is about the power of comics 
as a storytelling medium, minimalism was key, said Stu Maschwitz, the 
lead special-effects supervisor on the film and one of the founders of 
The Orphanage, a San Francisco-based effects company.

"Eisner has this surgical eye for detail, and he knew just how much to 
use," Maschwitz said. "This is what I mean about visual efficiency. I 
remember reading something Stephen King wrote about movies - usually, 
a filmmaker is doomed to use too much. A novelist is able to describe 
that part of the room that pushes the story forward and the filmmaker 
has to shoot the entire scene and it gets cluttered.

"With Eisner, every inch of detail in the image, every color, every 
line is helping to develop character or push the story forward. That's 
what Frank set out to do, kind of relentless focus on minimalist 
visuals to tell the maximum amount of story."

Find this article at: 
http://www.jsonline.com/entertainment/movies/36895549.html
 

[scifinoir2] "Button" follows in "Gump's" footsteps

[ravenadal]

http://www.insidesocal.com/tv/2008/12/benjamin-button-a-gump-by-
any.html

"Benjamin Button:" A "Gump" by any other name

By David Kronke on December 24, 2008 10:42 AM 

"The Curious Case of Benjamin Button" is one of those obligatory 
Oscar-bait movies, a big, sprawling thing (two hours and 45 minutes!) 
about the ephemeral, magical moments that make life worth living for 
movie characters that inspire voting members of the Academy of Motion 
Picture Arts and Sciences to feel good about giving it a bunch of 
trophies.

At least, that's how it turned out back when it was called "Forrest 
Gump."

As I was sitting through a recent advance screening, I kept thinking 
that "Gump" screenwriter Eric Roth should sue those responsible for 
"Button's" script for bald plagiarism. Then the end credits rolled, 
and turns out "Button" was written by ... Eric Roth. No point in suing 
yourself, I suppose.

Both films concern characters with comically twee names whose stories 
are related in a series of flashbacks, who lead globe-trotting, 
ostensibly romantically sweeping lives filled with adventure and 
eccentricity and who both learn through sappy epigrams that life is 
both unpredictable and rich with incident. Both were based on stories 
written by others ("Gump," Winston Groom; "Button," F. Scott 
Fitzgerald) that were drastically altered by Mr. Roth, though not so 
drastically altered from one another in their film incarnations. Here 
are a few more curious similarities.

Tough yet rich upbringing hobbled by physical maladies eventually 
overcome

"Forest Gump:" Forrest (Tom Hanks) is slow-witted and must wear leg 
braces and walk about with the use of canes as a child. Eventually, 
he's strong enough to become a long-distance runner.



"Benjamin Button:" Benjamin (Brad Pitt) is born an old man and ages in 
reverse. He spends his earliest years confined to a wheelchair, then 
gets strong enough to walk with the use of canes in his childhood. 
Eventually, he's a strapping and dashing fellow.



Epic tormented romance

"Forrest Gump:" Forrest meets Jenny (Robin Wright Penn) in his youth 
and is immediately smitten, but his love for her goes largely 
unrequited through a series of missed connections and Jenny's own 
searching spirit, for reasons that only make the story more resonant.



"Benjamin Button:" Benjamin meets Daisy (Cate Blanchett) in his 
elderly youth and is immediately smitten, but acting on such an 
infatuation would be, well, creepy. (Not to mention illegal.) They 
meet later, when the age difference isn't so icky, but still, Benjamin 
rejects Daisy's advances (for reasons that will forever go 
bewilderingly un-understood.) They finally hook up, until they don't, 
for reasons that only make the story more resonant.



A mighty storm at sea

"Forrest Gump:" Forrest, in a shrimping boat, survives a hurricane.

"Benjamin Button:" Benjamin, in a boat in the Gulf of Mexico, survives 
a hurricane.

In which the characters learn that war is bad

"Forrest Gump:" Forrest loses his best friend in Vietnam; his other 
best friend loses his legs.

"Benjamin Button:" Benjamin loses his mentor/captain during a surprise 
attack in World War II.

A shout-out to the Red States

"Forrest Gump:" After serving in Vietnam, Forrest reunites with Jenny, 
but abandons her after being put off by her free-wheeling ways with 
her Berkeley hippie friends.

"Benjamin Button:" After serving in World War II, Benjamin reunites 
with Daisy, but abandons her after being put off by her free-wheeling 
ways with her New-York-theater bohemian friends.

Cloying symbol of, well, something

"Forrest Gump:" A feather that appears in key moments of the film, 
cascading downward lightly, spritely, representing the uplifting 
vicissitudes of survival and existence.

"Benjamin Button:" A hummingbird that appears in key moments of the 
film, madly flapping its wings, representing the uplifting 
vicissitudes of survival and existence.

Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup

[Adrianne Brennan]

With me, it's the milk protein, not the lactose.
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On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:55 AM,  wrote:

> Can't remember, tried stuff from Whole Foods, local health stores, Krogers,
> Publix, homemade. The cream made from acai berry is pretty good, but nothing
> satisfies like milk-based ice cream for me.
> I'm officially lactose intolerant, but for me it manifests in cold-like
> symptoms with minor sniffles and congestion. If you can't digest it, no
> wonder you don't miss it.
>
>

Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi

[KeithBJohnson]

Agreed on "The Dummy", and Cliff Robertson did a good job in that ep.

I watched "It's a Good Day" again, (the one with cute little Billy Mumy as the 
evil kid with mental powers) and it still chilled me. When the kid was playing 
with a three-headed gopher he created, then tired of it and said "Be dead now! 
You be dead!", and the people watching had to grin and say "That was a good 
thing you did" I was truly horrified. My wife and I got into a discussion about 
whether Anthony was truly evil (me) or just a "bad kid with no rules or limits" 
(her). She felt that any tyke, given the chance to indulge the native 
selfishness young kids have, and coupled with unlimited power, would end up 
like Anthony. I contended that sure, maybe an omnipotent spoiled brat would 
make everyone eat hog dogs every night or something, but loving to turn pigs 
into monsters, killing creatures he created, setting a "bad man" on fire and 
watching him burn--that seems more like evil than a simple discipline problem.

I also saw a show I'd actually never seen before. It dealt with a guy in a 
small town who was being hanged for killing another guy. As the hanging time 
approaches, the sky above the town goes inexplicably black, as if an eclipse 
had occurred (none had). We learn that the local law and even the newspaper 
editor had evidence that the killing could have been at least self-defense, but 
no one raised a finger to help the convicted. Then it's revealed why: he'd 
killed a racist who was known for burning crosses, and had evidently recently 
beaten a black man. The townspeople didn't cotton to this white man killing 
another white man on behalf of "coloreds", so he had to die. As the time 
approached, the sky got darker and darker. But what's really stunning is that 
among the gathering crowd come to watch the hanging are lots of black folks, 
and the minister sent to give the convicted final succor is a black man! The 
minister talks to the convicted, who, in an even more stunning move, admits t
o enjoying killing the racist and not having a single regret as to what he did. 
He even hurls angry, defiant words at the bloodthirsty crowd. Sadly the black 
minister realizes that although the man had killed to protect the black 
community, he crossed the line into allowing hatred into his heart. Thus, all 
were victims of hatred, and that hatred was manifesting as the darkness above 
the sky. As the hanging commences, we hear on the radio that the darkness is 
appearing over cities all over the world, Man's inner sins spilling out in a 
cloud of foulness.  
Like I said earlier, the whole sin-as-darkness thing might seem a bit 
predictable or cute by our scifi standards, but the power of the message still 
rings true. Especially memorable is Serling dealing with racial topics in a 
time when few did so. And i like how, even though he obviously couldn't have 
gotten away with a black man killing a white back in that day, he still gave 
real meat to a black actor in that show. Great stuff

 -- Original message --
From: Gerald Haynes 
> I've always considered "The Silence" as one of my favorites. I know it's been 
> spoofed a million times, but for some reason "To Serve Man" always gets me. 
> "The 
> Dummy" creeps me out every time I see it... well, because it's a talking 
> dummy.
> 
>  Gerald Haynes
> 
> 
> "Time, Money, and Quality, you may have only two."
> "Never enough time to do it right. Always enough time to do it over."
> "Continual improvement is always better than delayed perfection."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: "keithbjohn...@comcast.net" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 12:55:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi
> 
> 
> Which ep was that one? Is it the one when the people flee their planet in a 
> spaceship because they fear nuclear annihilation is nigh?
> You're so right about the depth of the show. Even now, I will catch an ep 
> I've 
> never seen before--or at least, not in its entirety. I'm still amazed at the 
> power of such shows.
> 
>  -- Original message  - -
> From: Daryle Lockhart 
> > 2 weeks ago, they  showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat 
> > there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it 
> > in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school.  Serling was 
> > SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10  lists that 
> > have "Kick The Can"  and "Time Enough At Last"  aren't digging deep 
> > enough into the series. This was really  good writing, and in some 
> > cases,  some really good acting!
> > 
> > On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote:
> > 
> > > I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone" 
> > > marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST 
> > > tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and 
> > > original dreck they 

Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi

[KeithBJohnson]

Amen. I'm also impressed at the incredible list of guest stars on that series, 
some of which were famous at the time (Art Carney, Gig Young), many of which 
were just starting out, and would go on to greater fame (Robert Redford, 
William Shatner, Elizabeth Montgomery, Carol Burnett,etc.) One of the things I 
really miss with TV nowadays is the lack of good anthology shows like Zone, 
Outer Limits, or even reality-based ones like Police Story. Those shows were 
great to give exposure to up-and-comers. The best we have nowadays is I guess 
"Law and Order" and "CSI", but for some reason I just don't think of those 
shows as being the acting showcase Zone and others were.


 -- Original message --
From: Daryle Lockhart 
> 2 weeks ago, they  showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat  
> there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it  
> in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school.  Serling was  
> SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10  lists that   
> have "Kick The Can"  and "Time Enough At Last"  aren't digging deep  
> enough into the series. This was really  good writing, and in some  
> cases,  some really good acting!
> 
> On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone"  
> > marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST  
> > tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and  
> > original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly fifty-year-old  
> > series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right now.  
> > I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the evil  
> > little kid who sends "bad" people to the cornfield...William  
> > Shatner freaking out at the gremlin jumping on the wing of his  
> > plane during a storm...the diabolical little "Talking Tina" doll  
> > who determines to kill abusive stepdad Telly Savalas...Robert  
> > Redford's TV debut as the handsome spirit of Death stalking a  
> > fearful old woman... --and on and on.
> >
> > Some of the shows are a bit dated now, if only because their  
> > endings are no longer a surprise to someone steeped in decades of  
> > scifi lore (such as the man and woman astronauts stranded on an  
> > unknown planet who at the end reveal their names to be Adam and  
> > Eve). But despite that, the Zone is still an engaging, intelligent,  
> > and relevant show. One can't help watch the ep where everyone is  
> > forced to get a new body as a teen, even though all the bodies look  
> > alike, without thinking of the group think the soon departing  
> > administration foisted on this country. Or how can you look at  
> > Burgess Meredith's bookish character, sentenced to death for being  
> > "obsolete" in a State where reading old books and the Bible is  
> > banned, and not feel the sting of fundamentalists who try to force  
> > one moral stricture on all people? All of it wrapped in some of the  
> > best writing TV's ever seen, with Rod Serling and others' sharp  
> > dialogue firing off like the writings of a great play, language  
> > wielded like a fine to
> > ol, with even the names of the characters a treat. And who can  
> > forget Serling himself, delivering that inimitable clipped-speak  
> > that introduces each show.
> >
> > Twilight Zone may be older than me, its shows all black and white  
> > and lacking in fancy CGI and FX, its plots sometimes predictable.  
> > But it still has messages that resonate at any time, warnings we  
> > all need to heed, humour we can all share, and a professionalism of  
> > writing and acting that i wish more creators nowadays would mimic.
> >
> > 
> 


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2 weeks ago, they  showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school.  Serling was SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10  lists that  have "Kick The Can"  and "Time Enough At Last"  aren't digging deep enough into the series. This was really  good writing, and in some cases,  some really good acting! On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, KeithBJohnson@comcast.net wrote:I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone" marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly fifty-year-old series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right now. I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the evil little kid who sends "bad" people to the cornfield...William Shatner freaking out at the gremlin jumping on the wing of his plane during a storm...the diabolical little "Talking Tina" doll who determines to kill abusive stepdad Telly Savalas...Robert Redford's TV debut as the handsome spirit of Death stalking a fearful old

Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi

[KeithBJohnson]

Agreed. Speaking of "Kick the Can", I was sorely disappointed in its treatment 
in that sorely disappointing Twilight Zone movie. They took a story with a 
typical Zone ending (a clueless person sees the light finally, only to be left 
behind in misery as his fellows go on to another, better place) and made it 
happy! That treacle Spielberg served up made me yell at the screen in anger. 
Then they heaped on more insult by giving a comedic twist to "Nightmare at 
20,000 Feet". And horror of horrors, "It's a Good Life" was completely 
defanged, with the introduction of Anthony's school teacher who at the end was 
teaching him to be a really "good boy". I was so upset I wanted my money back. 
Never did figure out who decided to make the Zone movie so wimpy. The only 
segment that came close to the horror of the original was the one where the 
bigot was sent through time where he was perceived as a member of an oppressed 
minority (a Jew in a concentration camp, a black man in the midst of a Klan 
lynching, a Vietcong soldier in 'Nam) but that one was cut short by the death 
of actor Vic Morrow during filming.

I always wished someone could revisit and do a better TZ movie, but with the 
penchant nowadays for over-the-top gore, nudity, and action over good writing, 
maybe I'll leave well enough alone

 -- Original message --
From: Daryle Lockhart 
> 2 weeks ago, they  showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat  
> there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it  
> in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school.  Serling was  
> SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10  lists that   
> have "Kick The Can"  and "Time Enough At Last"  aren't digging deep  
> enough into the series. This was really  good writing, and in some  
> cases,  some really good acting!
> 
> On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone"  
> > marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST  
> > tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and  
> > original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly fifty-year-old  
> > series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right now.  
> > I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the evil  
> > little kid who sends "bad" people to the cornfield...William  
> > Shatner freaking out at the gremlin jumping on the wing of his  
> > plane during a storm...the diabolical little "Talking Tina" doll  
> > who determines to kill abusive stepdad Telly Savalas...Robert  
> > Redford's TV debut as the handsome spirit of Death stalking a  
> > fearful old woman... --and on and on.
> >
> > Some of the shows are a bit dated now, if only because their  
> > endings are no longer a surprise to someone steeped in decades of  
> > scifi lore (such as the man and woman astronauts stranded on an  
> > unknown planet who at the end reveal their names to be Adam and  
> > Eve). But despite that, the Zone is still an engaging, intelligent,  
> > and relevant show. One can't help watch the ep where everyone is  
> > forced to get a new body as a teen, even though all the bodies look  
> > alike, without thinking of the group think the soon departing  
> > administration foisted on this country. Or how can you look at  
> > Burgess Meredith's bookish character, sentenced to death for being  
> > "obsolete" in a State where reading old books and the Bible is  
> > banned, and not feel the sting of fundamentalists who try to force  
> > one moral stricture on all people? All of it wrapped in some of the  
> > best writing TV's ever seen, with Rod Serling and others' sharp  
> > dialogue firing off like the writings of a great play, language  
> > wielded like a fine to
> > ol, with even the names of the characters a treat. And who can  
> > forget Serling himself, delivering that inimitable clipped-speak  
> > that introduces each show.
> >
> > Twilight Zone may be older than me, its shows all black and white  
> > and lacking in fancy CGI and FX, its plots sometimes predictable.  
> > But it still has messages that resonate at any time, warnings we  
> > all need to heed, humour we can all share, and a professionalism of  
> > writing and acting that i wish more creators nowadays would mimic.
> >
> > 
> 


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2 weeks ago, they  showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school.  Serling was SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10  lists that  have "Kick The Can"  and "Time Enough At Last"  aren't digging deep enough into the series. This was really  good writing, and in some cases,  some really good acting! On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, KeithBJohnson@comcast.net wrote:I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone" m

RE: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup

[Reece Jennings]

Right!  The caseine, huh?  I'm allergic to it big time!

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:16 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup



With me, it's the milk protein, not the lactose. 


~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adrianne  brennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adrianne

brennan.com/theoath_bound.html



On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:55 AM, mailto:keithbjohn...@comcast.net> comcast.net> wrote:


Can't remember, tried stuff from Whole Foods, local health stores, Krogers,
Publix, homemade. The cream made from acai berry is pretty good, but nothing
satisfies like milk-based ice cream for me.
I'm officially lactose intolerant, but for me it manifests in cold-like
symptoms with minor sniffles and congestion. If you can't digest it, no
wonder you don't miss it.

 

 

Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup

[Adrianne Brennan]

Yup! My body shuts down and refuses to digest it. Treats animal proteins the
same way.
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html


On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Reece Jennings wrote:

>  Right!  The caseine, huh?  I'm allergic to it big time!
>
>  --
> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Adrianne Brennan
> *Sent:* Friday, January 02, 2009 10:16 AM
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup
>
>  With me, it's the milk protein, not the lactose.
>
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:55 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Can't remember, tried stuff from Whole Foods, local health stores,
>> Krogers, Publix, homemade. The cream made from acai berry is pretty good,
>> but nothing satisfies like milk-based ice cream for me.
>> I'm officially lactose intolerant, but for me it manifests in cold-like
>> symptoms with minor sniffles and congestion. If you can't digest it, no
>> wonder you don't miss it.
>>
>>
>  
>

[scifinoir2] New Doctor to be announced on BBC tomorrow

[Adrianne Brennan]

Just in on the BBC website. They are going to announce who is going to be
the next doctor on a special Confidential at 17.35 saturday evening

Link here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7807742.stm




Love & Magic,
-A


~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html

[scifinoir2] Azur & Asmar: Magical, musical animated journey

[ravenadal]

www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-azur-asmar-review-
0102jan02,0,1289140.story

chicagotribune.com

By Michael Phillips

Tribune critic

January 2, 2009


Is it too early to announce the most beautiful film of 2009? Two days 
into the new year, it's hard to imagine a more transporting cinematic 
experience coming our way than "Azur & Asmar," an animated feature 
from the French writer-director Michel Ocelot. "Azur & Asmar" got a 
very warm reception at the Cannes Film Festival in 2006, in the 
Directors' Fortnight series, and as is often the case with the 
vagaries of international distribution, it has taken a long time for 
the film to land in Chicago. But here it is, for a week at the Siskel 
Film Center, and any aficionado of animation—of vibrantly realized 
storytelling, in any genre—will be seduced by a wealth of sights and 
sounds.

Warning: If you see "Slumdog Millionaire" in the same week as Ocelot's 
film, your eyes may never recover from the retina-splitting color 
intensity of the imagery. The story is original, though thematic 
references range from Persian art and architecture and the "Arabian 
Nights" fables to Shakespeare's "Pericles." In an unspecified Western 
land, two boys are raised as brothers. Asmar and his birth mother are 
strangers in a strange land, speaking both Arabic and English, making 
the best of their circumstances under the shadow cast by the taciturn, 
coldhearted master of the house. The master's son, Azur, adores his 
surrogate mother's tales from her homeland, of a magical sprite 
imprisoned in a cavern.

The boys' relationship is thorny but hardy, full of fights and 
forgiveness. "I look like an angel," says the fair-skinned, blue-eyed 
Azur. "My country is better than this place," counters the Arabic-
speaking Asmar (Azur speaks a bit himself). Then the dark-skinned 
mother and son are banished from the home. Years later Azur crosses 
the Mediterranean to find the dream land he relished, through his 
surrogate mother's tales, as a child. Shipwrecked, himself now a 
stranger in a strange land, Azur pretends to be blind—his blue eyes 
are considered evil by the locals—and makes an uneasy alliance with a 
beggar, himself an Anglo immigrant, who serves as Azur's introduction 
to this land of saffron and gorgeous tiles.

There's plenty more, involving a delightfully young and confident 
princess (no simpering, passive archetype here), a reunion between 
Azur and Asmar and Asmar's mother, a quest and some splendid leaps 
into fairy tale realms, populated by rainbow-colored oversize birds 
(the preferred mode of transport in this story's later passages) and a 
bright red lion with even brighter blue claws. "Azur & Asmar" travels 
from the "real" to the mythical, fluidly. Ocelot adapted his French- 
and Arabic-language film into English and Arabic, and in both versions 
the smattering of Arabic is not subtitled. It was the correct choice: 
As Azur feels his way through his disorienting surroundings, his 
momentary confusion become ours.

Ocelot has cited France's tortured relationship with Algeria as an 
inspiration for his story. Yet he doesn't pin anything down culturally 
here or reduce his story to a tolerance lesson. The storytelling's so 
vivid and sure, and the computer animation so fabulously brocaded and 
detailed, you never get that "good-for-you" taste. It's a feast, as 
well as a deepening of the shadow puppetry techniques and richly 
saturated hues of Ocelot's previous films, which include "Kirikou and 
the Sorceress" and "Princes & Princesses."

A final word, about the score. Gabriel Yared's music is as subtly 
satisfying as Ocelot's designs are fantastic. If more film music—in 
animation or in live-action—worked such atmospheric wonders, the world 
would be a better place. Early in the story, Azur is struggling 
through lessons in fencing, riding and dancing. "What I ask for is 
grace," sighs his dance instructor. "What I get is porridge." In any 
given year, a filmgoer consumes a lot of animated porridge. And then, 
occasionally, along comes a delicacy on the order of "Azur & Asmar."

[scifinoir2] blood type and diet -- Dr. D'Adamo

[Reece Jennings]

I'd be curious to know your blood type, Adrianne.  I'm type A, and I can't
do red meat.
Type O people tend to need red meat protein.  I've been taking blood
type-specific vitamins
for a couple of years now.  Here are some youtube links to check out...
 
This is on Blood type 'O' and vegetarianism.  
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-VPbbu2pmU

&feature=PlayList&p=FD3B998EE3A10673&playnext=1&index=23
 
This is on Blood type and Stress:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXGk7ppTL0
 &feature=PlayList&p=FD3B998EE3A10673&index=24
 
Blood type and diet:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFv8110Y3H0

&feature=related
 
This is great information.  Dr. D'Adamo is worth checking out.  

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:02 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup



Yup! My body shuts down and refuses to digest it. Treats animal proteins the
same way. 


~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adrianne  brennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adrianne

brennan.com/theoath_bound.html



On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings...@yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote:


Right!  The caseine, huh?  I'm allergic to it big time!

  _  

From: scifino...@yahoogro  ups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogro  ups.com] On
Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 10:16 AM
To: scifino...@yahoogro  ups.com 

Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup



With me, it's the milk protein, not the lactose. 


~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adrianne  brennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adrianne

brennan.com/theoath_bound.html



On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:55 AM, mailto:keithbjohn...@comcast.net> comcast.net> wrote:


Can't remember, tried stuff from Whole Foods, local health stores, Krogers,
Publix, homemade. The cream made from acai berry is pretty good, but nothing
satisfies like milk-based ice cream for me.
I'm officially lactose intolerant, but for me it manifests in cold-like
symptoms with minor sniffles and congestion. If you can't digest it, no
wonder you don't miss it.

 








 

Re: [scifinoir2] blood type and diet -- Dr. D'Adamo

[Adrianne Brennan]

AB+, and not sure how much stock I'd place in the blood type diet thing.
Call me a skeptic, but
~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adriannebrennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html


On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Reece Jennings wrote:

>  I'd be curious to know your blood type, Adrianne.  I'm type A, and I
> can't do red meat.
> Type O people tend to need red meat protein.  I've been taking blood
> type-specific vitamins
> for a couple of years now.  Here are some youtube links to check out...
>
> This is on Blood type 'O' and vegetarianism.
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-VPbbu2pmU&feature=PlayList&p=FD3B998EE3A10673&playnext=1&index=23
>
> This is on Blood type and Stress:
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXGk7ppTL0&feature=PlayList&p=FD3B998EE3A10673&index=24
>
> Blood type and diet:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFv8110Y3H0&feature=related
>
> This is great information.  Dr. D'Adamo is worth checking out.
>
>  --
> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Adrianne Brennan
> *Sent:* Friday, January 02, 2009 11:02 AM
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup
>
>  Yup! My body shuts down and refuses to digest it. Treats animal proteins
> the same way.
>
> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
> Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Reece Jennings 
> wrote:
>
>>  Right!  The caseine, huh?  I'm allergic to it big time!
>>
>>  --
>> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
>> Behalf Of *Adrianne Brennan
>> *Sent:* Friday, January 02, 2009 10:16 AM
>> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup
>>
>>With me, it's the milk protein, not the lactose.
>>
>> ~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
>> http://www.adriannebrennan.com
>> Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:
>> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html
>> Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates:
>> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html
>> Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound:
>> http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:55 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Can't remember, tried stuff from Whole Foods, local health stores,
>>> Krogers, Publix, homemade. The cream made from acai berry is pretty good,
>>> but nothing satisfies like milk-based ice cream for me.
>>> I'm officially lactose intolerant, but for me it manifests in cold-like
>>> symptoms with minor sniffles and congestion. If you can't digest it, no
>>> wonder you don't miss it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>  
>

RE: [scifinoir2] blood type and diet -- Dr. D'Adamo

[Reece Jennings]

You might want to take a look first, though.  I was an extreme skeptic, but
I found a lot of good
in the doctor's research and his lectures.  And AB is a type that you need
to 
be careful of, too. 
 
www.dadamo.com
 
The foods that can harm you or are good for you.  Click on any food in the
list,
and you can find out.  At the very least, a guide.  Heck, I eat chopped
beef, but
I stay away from steaks, etc.  Type A people don't put out a lot of
digestive 
enzymes.  They DO put out lots of mucous when they/we eat foods that don't
agree
with us.  

  _  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 12:01 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] blood type and diet -- Dr. D'Adamo



AB+, and not sure how much stock I'd place in the blood type diet thing.
Call me a skeptic, but 


~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adrianne  brennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adrianne

brennan.com/theoath_bound.html



On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings...@yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote:


I'd be curious to know your blood type, Adrianne.  I'm type A, and I can't
do red meat.
Type O people tend to need red meat protein.  I've been taking blood
type-specific vitamins
for a couple of years now.  Here are some youtube links to check out...
 
This is on Blood type 'O' and vegetarianism.  
 
http://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=2-VPbbu2pmU&feature=PlayList&p=FD3B998EE3A10673&playnext=1&index
=23
 
This is on Blood type and Stress:
 
http://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=JkXGk7ppTL0&feature=PlayList&p=FD3B998EE3A10673&index=24
 
Blood type and diet:
 
http://www.youtube.

com/watch?v=tFv8110Y3H0&feature=related
 
This is great information.  Dr. D'Adamo is worth checking out.  

  _  

From: scifino...@yahoogro  ups.com
[mailto:scifino...@yahoogro  ups.com] On
Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 11:02 AM
To: scifino...@yahoogro  ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup



Yup! My body shuts down and refuses to digest it. Treats animal proteins the
same way. 


~ "Where love and magic meet" ~
http://www.adrianne  brennan.com
Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon:  http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/botdm.html
Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne
 brennan.com/bamc.html
Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adrianne

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On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 10:57 AM, Reece Jennings mailto:mcjennings...@yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote:


Right!  The caseine, huh?  I'm allergic to it big time!

  _  

From: scifino...@yahoogro  ups.com
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With me, it's the milk protein, not the lactose. 


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On Fri, Jan 2, 2009 at 1:55 AM, mailto:keithbjohn...@comcast.net> comcast.net> wrote:


Can't remember, tried stuff from Whole Foods, local health stores, Krogers,
Publix, homemade. The cream made from acai berry is pretty good, but nothing
satisfies like milk-based ice cream for me.
I'm officially lactose intolerant, but for me it manifests in cold-like
symptoms with minor sniffles and congestion. If you can't digest it, no
wonder you don't miss it.

 















 

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Meta]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
wrote:
>
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
Next Gen
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
 Too bad
> they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
> unexplored potential
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
female following they have. 

Meta

RE: [scifinoir2] Yuletide Greetings

[KeithBJohnson]

Glad you enjoyed it. That's too from Brother Hughes to keep for reflection...
 -- Original message --
From: "Reece Jennings" 
> Excellent poem!  Thanks for this...It made me feel good reading it, my
> friend...
> 
>   _  
> 
> From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:04 PM
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Yuletide Greetings
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks for posting. You come up with the coolest stuff! Funny: I was looking
> up a poem by Hughes just yesterday, one that I remembered from long ago,
> that I use as sort of a self-motto. It's "I, Too Sing, America". I love its
> message of saying that we are waiting, biding our time, eating and grinning
> and perhaps seeming weak, but one day--no way can we be kept down. This is
> it:
> 
> I, too, sing America.
> 
> I am the darker brother.
> They send me to eat in the kitchen
> When company comes,
> But I laugh,
> And eat well,
> And grow strong.
> 
> Tomorrow,
> I'll be at the table
> When company comes.
> Nobody'll dare
> Say to me,
> "Eat in the kitchen,"
> Then.
> 
> Besides, 
> They'll see how beautiful I am
> And be ashamed--
> 
> I, too, am America.
> 
> -- Original message --
> From: "ravenadal" mailto:ravenadal%40yahoo.com> com>
> > "We younger Negro artists who create now intend to express our 
> > individual dark-skinned selves without fear or shame. If White people 
> > are pleased, we are glad. If they are not, it doesn't matter...If 
> > colored people are pleased, we are glad. If they are not, their 
> > displeasure doesn't matter either..."
> > 
> > ~Langston Hughes, 1926 
> > 
> > Merry Christmas, one and all!
> > 
> > ~rave!
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
>  


--- Begin Message ---
















Excellent poem!  Thanks for this...It made me feel good 
reading it, my friend...


From: scifino...@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 
KeithBJohnson@comcast.netSent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 4:04 
PMTo: scifino...@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] 
Yuletide Greetings


Thanks for posting. You come up with the coolest stuff! Funny: I was looking 
up a poem by Hughes just yesterday, one that I remembered from long ago, that I 
use as sort of a self-motto. It's "I, Too Sing, America". I love its message of 
saying that we are waiting, biding our time, eating and grinning and perhaps 
seeming weak, but one day--no way can we be kept down. This is it:I, 
too, sing America.I am the darker brother.They send me to eat in the 
kitchenWhen company comes,But I laugh,And eat well,And grow 
strong.Tomorrow,I'll be at the tableWhen company 
comes.Nobody'll dareSay to me,"Eat in the 
kitchen,"Then.Besides, They'll see how beautiful I amAnd be 
ashamed--I, too, am America.-- Original message 
--From: "ravenadal" > "We 
younger Negro artists who create now intend to express our > individual 
dark-skinned selves without fear or shame. If White people > are pleased, 
we are glad. If they are not, it doesn't matter...If > colored people are 
pleased, we are glad. If they are not, their > displeasure doesn't matter 
either..."> > ~Langston Hughes, 1926 > > Merry 
Christmas, one and all!> > ~rave!> > 


  


	
	
	

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[scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor to be announced on BBC tomorrow

[Meta]

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Adrianne Brennan"
 wrote:
>
> Just in on the BBC website. They are going to announce who is going
to be
> the next doctor on a special Confidential at 17.35 saturday evening
> 
> Link here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7807742.stm
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Love & Magic,
> -A
Thanks for the heads-up. I've got my seat booked for tomorrow.
Its a family affair here. When The Doctor is on we all watched.
Had to hold off Christmas Dinner so we could watch the special
last week. Loved it.

Meta

[scifinoir2] Re: Cat Soup

[B. Smith]

I understand pet lovers outrage about the whole thing but what's on 
your plate is offensive to people in other cultures as well. I love 
my dogs but I know everyone in the world doesn't feel the same way.

I work in the agriculture industry and I have a pretty hard edged 
view on some of these issues. The recent outrage over horse slaughter 
for human consumption was a topic of that we hashed over quite a bit. 
Horse lovers hate the practice but production agriculture folks think 
they are just another animal and aren't any more special than a milk 
cow. 

One my mentors had a background in agricultural anthropology and he 
constantly had the horse people in fits. One theory is that horses 
might have been the first large meat animal that early man attempted 
to domesticate(goats and sheep predate them) but due to their long 
gestation, slow maturation and general horsiness farmers switched 
their efforts to cattle. So in his opinion horses were so fickle and 
worthless early man set out to tame wild aurochs, Zebu cattle, 
buffalo and other hell beasts rather than deal with a horse. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter" 
 wrote:
>
> Nothing but truth in those words.
> 
> (standing ovation)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup
> 
 Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:08:38 +
> 
 From : keithbjohn...@...
> 
 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
Whenever I see articles where people decry the "inhumane" treatment 
of animals, my two sides always war with other. The one side indeed 
hates to hear of even animals that are being killed for food treated 
in brutal fashion. I hate the idea, for example, of dropping live 
lobsters into boiling water. So suffocation, strangling, beating them 
to death appalls me. Kill them humanely (as strangely as that sounds).
> 
> The other side, though, is always the cynical one that wonders how 
many of these folks eat meat themselves and are just focusing on a 
certain *type* of animal. Many folks eat chicken, cow, pork, and 
seafood, for example, but then freak at countries where cats and dogs 
are on the menu, calling them "barbaric" or "uncivilized". Well, 
that's just a matter of culture and taste--literally. So, kill them 
with kindness, but don't condemn someone for eating Fluffy or 
Fido, 'cause in some cultures, your serving up those steaks is just 
as barbaric.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  -- Original message --
> From: "ravenadal" 
> > "Cats have a strong flavor. Dogs taste much better, but if you 
really 
> > want cat meat, I can have it delivered by tomorrow," said the 
butcher, 
> > who gave only her surname, Huang.
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/printedition/2008/12/19/cats.html
> > 
> > Chinese protest over cats on menu
> > 
> > By William Foreman
> > 
> > Associated Press
> > 
> > Friday, December 19, 2008
> > 
> > Guangzhou, China �- While animal lovers in Beijing protested 
the 
> > killing of cats for food on Thursday, a butcher in Guangdong 
province 
> > �- where felines are the main ingredient in a famous soup �- 
just 
> > shrugged her shoulders and wielded her cleaver.
> > 
> > "Cats have a strong flavor. Dogs taste much better, but if you 
really 
> > want cat meat, I can have it delivered by tomorrow," said the 
butcher, 
> > who gave only her surname, Huang.
> > 
> > It was just this attitude that outraged about 40 cat lovers who 
> > unfurled banners in a tearful protest outside the Guangdong 
government 
> > office in Beijing
> > 
> > Many were retirees who care for stray felines they said were 
being 
> > rounded up by dealers.
> > 
> > "We must make them correct this uncivilized behavior," said Wang 
> > Hongyao, who represented the group in submitting a letter urging 
the 
> > provincial government to crack down on traders and restaurants, 
> > although they were breaking no laws.
> > 
> > The protest was the latest clash between age-old traditions and 
the 
> > new sensibilities made possible by China's growing affluence.
> > 
> > Pet ownership was once rare because the Communist Party condemned 
it 
> > as bourgeois and most people simply couldn't afford a cat or dog.
> > 
> > The protesters' indignation was whipped up by recent reports in 
> > Chinese newspapers about the cat meat industry.
> > 
> > On Monday, the Southern Metropolis Daily �- a Guangdong paper 
famous 
> > for its exposes and aggressive reporting �- ran a story that 
said 
> > about 1,000 cats were transported by train to Guangdong each day.
> > 
> > The animals came from Nanjing, a major trading hub for cats, the 
> > newspaper said. They were brought to market by dealers on 
motorcycles, 
> > crammed into wooden crates and sent to Guangdong on trains.
> > 
> > A photo showed a cat with green eyes peering from a crowded crate.
> > 
> > Some people in Nanjing spend their days "fishing for cats," often 
> > stealing pets, the report said.
> > 
> > One cat owner 

Re: [scifinoir2] Azur & Asmar: Magical, musical animated journey

[Amy2]

ahar...@earthlink.net
I've seen this film and I agree - it is one of the most gob-smacking, 
awesomely dazzling, gorgeous films I've ever seen and I've seen a lot!
You can see trailers and stills here:
http://www.gkids.tv/watchOnline.cfm?channelCRT=17#channel
Happy New Year,
Amy

Subject: [scifinoir2] Azur & Asmar: Magical, musical animated journey


www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/movies/chi-azur-asmar-review-
0102jan02,0,1289140.story

chicagotribune.com

By Michael Phillips

Tribune critic

January 2, 2009


Is it too early to announce the most beautiful film of 2009? Two days
into the new year, it's hard to imagine a more transporting cinematic
experience coming our way than "Azur & Asmar," an animated feature
from the French writer-director Michel Ocelot. "Azur & Asmar" got a
very warm reception at the Cannes Film Festival in 2006, in the
Directors' Fortnight series, and as is often the case with the
vagaries of international distribution, it has taken a long time for
the film to land in Chicago. But here it is, for a week at the Siskel
Film Center, and any aficionado of animation-of vibrantly realized
storytelling, in any genre-will be seduced by a wealth of sights and
sounds.

Warning: If you see "Slumdog Millionaire" in the same week as Ocelot's
film, your eyes may never recover from the retina-splitting color
intensity of the imagery. The story is original, though thematic
references range from Persian art and architecture and the "Arabian
Nights" fables to Shakespeare's "Pericles." In an unspecified Western
land, two boys are raised as brothers. Asmar and his birth mother are
strangers in a strange land, speaking both Arabic and English, making
the best of their circumstances under the shadow cast by the taciturn,
coldhearted master of the house. The master's son, Azur, adores his
surrogate mother's tales from her homeland, of a magical sprite
imprisoned in a cavern.

The boys' relationship is thorny but hardy, full of fights and
forgiveness. "I look like an angel," says the fair-skinned, blue-eyed
Azur. "My country is better than this place," counters the Arabic-
speaking Asmar (Azur speaks a bit himself). Then the dark-skinned
mother and son are banished from the home. Years later Azur crosses
the Mediterranean to find the dream land he relished, through his
surrogate mother's tales, as a child. Shipwrecked, himself now a
stranger in a strange land, Azur pretends to be blind-his blue eyes
are considered evil by the locals-and makes an uneasy alliance with a
beggar, himself an Anglo immigrant, who serves as Azur's introduction
to this land of saffron and gorgeous tiles.

There's plenty more, involving a delightfully young and confident
princess (no simpering, passive archetype here), a reunion between
Azur and Asmar and Asmar's mother, a quest and some splendid leaps
into fairy tale realms, populated by rainbow-colored oversize birds
(the preferred mode of transport in this story's later passages) and a
bright red lion with even brighter blue claws. "Azur & Asmar" travels
from the "real" to the mythical, fluidly. Ocelot adapted his French-
and Arabic-language film into English and Arabic, and in both versions
the smattering of Arabic is not subtitled. It was the correct choice:
As Azur feels his way through his disorienting surroundings, his
momentary confusion become ours.

Ocelot has cited France's tortured relationship with Algeria as an
inspiration for his story. Yet he doesn't pin anything down culturally
here or reduce his story to a tolerance lesson. The storytelling's so
vivid and sure, and the computer animation so fabulously brocaded and
detailed, you never get that "good-for-you" taste. It's a feast, as
well as a deepening of the shadow puppetry techniques and richly
saturated hues of Ocelot's previous films, which include "Kirikou and
the Sorceress" and "Princes & Princesses."

A final word, about the score. Gabriel Yared's music is as subtly
satisfying as Ocelot's designs are fantastic. If more film music-in
animation or in live-action-worked such atmospheric wonders, the world
would be a better place. Early in the story, Azur is struggling
through lessons in fencing, riding and dancing. "What I ask for is
grace," sighs his dance instructor. "What I get is porridge." In any
given year, a filmgoer consumes a lot of animated porridge. And then,
occasionally, along comes a delicacy on the order of "Azur & Asmar."






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Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi

[Martin Baxter]

No, Keith, not nearly so. To quote Eric Carmen, "Those days are gone..."





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 Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi

 Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:21:21 +

 From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net

 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


Amen. I'm also impressed at the incredible list of guest stars on that series, 
some of which were famous at the time (Art Carney, Gig Young), many of which 
were just starting out, and would go on to greater fame (Robert Redford, 
William Shatner, Elizabeth Montgomery, Carol Burnett,etc.) One of the things I 
really miss with TV nowadays is the lack of good anthology shows like Zone, 
Outer Limits, or even reality-based ones like Police Story. Those shows were 
great to give exposure to up-and-comers. The best we have nowadays is I guess 
"Law and Order" and "CSI", but for some reason I just don't think of those 
shows as being the acting showcase Zone and others were.


 -- Original message --
From: Daryle Lockhart 
> 2 weeks ago, they showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat 
> there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it 
> in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school. Serling was 
> SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10 lists that 
> have "Kick The Can" and "Time Enough At Last" aren't digging deep 
> enough into the series. This was really good writing, and in some 
> cases, some really good acting!
> 
> On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone" 
> > marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST 
> > tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and 
> > original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly fifty-year-old 
> > series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right now. 
> > I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the evil 
> > little kid who sends "bad" people to the cornfield...William 
> > Shatner freaking out at the gremlin jumping on the wing of his 
> > plane during a storm...the diabolical little "Talking Tina" doll 
> > who determines to kill abusive stepdad Telly Savalas...Robert 
> > Redford's TV debut as the handsome spirit of Death stalking a 
> > fearful old woman... --and on and on.
> >
> > Some of the shows are a bit dated now, if only because their 
> > endings are no longer a surprise to someone steeped in decades of 
> > scifi lore (such as the man and woman astronauts stranded on an 
> > unknown planet who at the end reveal their names to be Adam and 
> > Eve). But despite that, the Zone is still an engaging, intelligent, 
> > and relevant show. One can't help watch the ep where everyone is 
> > forced to get a new body as a teen, even though all the bodies look 
> > alike, without thinking of the group think the soon departing 
> > administration foisted on this country. Or how can you look at 
> > Burgess Meredith's bookish character, sentenced to death for being 
> > "obsolete" in a State where reading old books and the Bible is 
> > banned, and not feel the sting of fundamentalists who try to force 
> > one moral stricture on all people? All of it wrapped in some of the 
> > best writing TV's ever seen, with Rod Serling and others' sharp 
> > dialogue firing off like the writings of a great play, language 
> > wielded like a fine to
> > ol, with even the names of the characters a treat. And who can 
> > forget Serling himself, delivering that inimitable clipped-speak 
> > that introduces each show.
> >
> > Twilight Zone may be older than me, its shows all black and white 
> > and lacking in fancy CGI and FX, its plots sometimes predictable. 
> > But it still has messages that resonate at any time, warnings we 
> > all need to heed, humour we can all share, and a professionalism of 
> > writing and acting that i wish more creators nowadays would mimic.
> >
> > 
> 





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

[RE][scifinoir2] AP: Toyota Secretly Developing Solar Powered Green Car

[Martin Baxter]

Please, please, pleasepleasePLEASE...





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 Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:06:55 -0800

 From : "Tracey de Morsella" 

 To : , , 
,   "'Chris de Morsella'" 


TOKYO - Toyota Motor Corp. is secretly developing a vehicle that will be
powered solely by solar energy in an effort to turn around its struggling
business with a futuristic ecological car, a top business daily reported
Thursday.

The Nikkei newspaper, however, said it will be years before the planned
vehicle will be available on the market. Toyota's offices were closed
Thursday and officials were not immediately available for comment.

According to The Nikkei, Toyota is working on an electric vehicle that will
get some of its power from solar cells equipped on the vehicle, and that can
be recharged with electricity generated from solar panels on the roofs of
homes. The automaker later hopes to develop a model totally powered by solar
cells on the vehicle, the newspaper said without citing sources.

The solar car is part of efforts by Japan's top automaker to grow during
hard times, The Nikkei said.

In December, Toyota stunned the nation by announcing it will slip into its
first operating loss in 70 years, as it gets battered by a global slump,
especially in the key U.S. market. The surging yen has also hurt the
earnings of Japanese automakers.

Still, Toyota is a leader in green technology and executives have stressed
they won't cut back on environmental research despite its troubles.

Toyota, the manufacturer of the Lexus luxury car and Camry sedan, has
already begun using solar panels at its Tsutsumi plant in central Japan to
produce some of its own electricity.

The solar panels on the roofs add up in size to the equivalent of 60 tennis
courts and produce enough electricity to power 500 homes, according to
Toyota. That reduces 740 tons a year of carbon dioxide emissions and is
equal to using 1,500 barrels of crude oil.

Toyota is also likely to indirectly gain expertise in solar energy when its
partner in developing and producing hybrid batteries, Panasonic Corp., takes
over Japanese rival Sanyo Electric Co., a leader in solar energy, early next
year.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/01/ap-toyota-secretly-develo_n_154654.
html




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi

[Daryle Lockhart]

No,  "On Thursday"  is about a group of colonists  stranded on an  
asteroid for 30  years and earth finally sends a ship to get them.  
The guy who's been holding the group together resists the  rescue  
party's authority. If you know any Alpha types, or, if you're like me  
and are a recovering Alpha male, this episode is like being visited  
by three ghosts of Christmas.


On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:55 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

Which ep was that one? Is it the one when the people flee their  
planet in a spaceship because they fear nuclear annihilation is nigh?
You're so right about the depth of the show. Even now, I will catch  
an ep I've never seen before--or at least, not in its entirety. I'm  
still amazed at the power of such shows.


-- Original message --
From: Daryle Lockhart 
> 2 weeks ago, they showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat
> there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it
> in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school. Serling was
> SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10 lists that
> have "Kick The Can" and "Time Enough At Last" aren't digging deep
> enough into the series. This was really good writing, and in some
> cases, some really good acting!
>
> On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone"
> > marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST
> > tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and
> > original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly fifty-year- 
old

> > series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right now.
> > I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the evil
> > little kid who sends "bad" people to the cornfield...William
> > Shatner freaking out at the gremlin jumping on the wing of his
> > plane during a storm...the diabolical little "Talking Tina" doll
> > who determines to kill abusive stepdad Telly Savalas...Robert
> > Redford's TV debut as the handsome spirit of Death stalking a
> > fearful old woman... --and on and on.
> >
> > Some of the shows are a bit dated now, if only because their
> > endings are no longer a surprise to someone steeped in decades of
> > scifi lore (such as the man and woman astronauts stranded on an
> > unknown planet who at the end reveal their names to be Adam and
> > Eve). But despite that, the Zone is still an engaging,  
intelligent,

> > and relevant show. One can't help watch the ep where everyone is
> > forced to get a new body as a teen, even though all the bodies  
look

> > alike, without thinking of the group think the soon departing
> > administration foisted on this country. Or how can you look at
> > Burgess Meredith's bookish character, sentenced to death for being
> > "obsolete" in a State where reading old books and the Bible is
> > banned, and not feel the sting of fundamentalists who try to force
> > one moral stricture on all people? All of it wrapped in some of  
the

> > best writing TV's ever seen, with Rod Serling and others' sharp
> > dialogue firing off like the writings of a great play, language
> > wielded like a fine to
> > ol, with even the names of the characters a treat. And who can
> > forget Serling himself, delivering that inimitable clipped-speak
> > that introduces each show.
> >
> > Twilight Zone may be older than me, its shows all black and white
> > and lacking in fancy CGI and FX, its plots sometimes predictable.
> > But it still has messages that resonate at any time, warnings we
> > all need to heed, humour we can all share, and a  
professionalism of

> > writing and acting that i wish more creators nowadays would mimic.
> >
> >
>



From: Daryle Lockhart 
Date: January 2, 2009 12:18:28 AM EST
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi


2 weeks ago, they  showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I  
sat there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't  
seen it in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school.   
Serling was SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10   
lists that  have "Kick The Can"  and "Time Enough At Last"  aren't  
digging deep enough into the series. This was really  good writing,  
and in some cases,  some really good acting!



On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone"  
marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST  
tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and  
original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly fifty-year- 
old series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right  
now. I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the  
evil little kid who sends "bad" people to the cornfield...William  
Shatner freaking out at the gremlin jumping on the wing of his  
plane during a storm...the diabolical little "Talking Tin

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Martin Baxter]

IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.





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 To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
wrote:
>
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
Next Gen
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
 Too bad
> they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much
> unexplored potential
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
female following they have. 

Meta




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[Tracey de Morsella]

Me too.  I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to 
hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show.  Sigh….. 
I know.  Sex sells 

 

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Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM
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IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.





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--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
wrote: 
> 
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on 
Next Gen 
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. 
Too bad 
> they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much 
> unexplored potential 
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for 
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of 
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do 
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few 
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a 
female following they have. 

Meta 







http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds 

 

[scifinoir2] Study links mammoth extinction, comets

[Amy Harlib]

ahar...@earthlink.net
Really fascinating!

 Study links mammoth extinction, comets


> URL to an interesting article in USAToday
> _http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-01-01-mammothimpact_N.htm_
> (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-01-01-mammothimpact_N.htm)
>
> This reinforces
> how vulnerable we are.  (I sure mis those Irish elk and cave  bears.)
>
> First few paragraphs
>
>
>
> By _Dan Vergano_
> (http://www.usatoday.com/community/tags/reporter.aspx?id=133) , USA TODAY
> A swarm of comets that smacked North America 12,900 years  ago wiped out 
> the
> wooly mammoth and early Native American cultures, according to  a soil 
> study
> released Thursday.
> The report in the journal Science focuses on tiny  "nanodiamonds," 
> crystals
> tied to past comet impacts, at six sites across the  continent in a soil 
> layer
> dated to the start of a 1,300-year-long ice age.
> Geologists and archaeologists have long argued about what  caused the
> extinction of dozens of large North American "megafauna" species,  such as
> saber-toothed cats and mammoths.
> "What we're reporting is consistent with a major cosmic  impact that had
> major consequences for the environment and Earth's climate,"  says study 
> leader
> Douglas Kennett of the University of Oregon in Eugene.
> "A swarm of comets" or carbon-rich meteorites either  delivered or created
> the nanodiamonds in a fiery impact, the study suggests. The  report relies 
> on
> photomicrograph analyses of soil samples from Arizona,  Minnesota, 
> Oklahoma,
> South Carolina and two Canadian sites. Photomicrography  captures images 
> seen
> through a microscope.
> "This is the 'smoking gun' evidence for a massive impact event  12,900 
> years
> ago that triggered the (ice age) and the extinction of the  megafauna," 
> says
> nuclear scientist Richard Firestone of the Lawrence Berkeley  (Calif.) 
> National
> Laboratory, who was not part of the study.
> If true, the impact date coincides with the abrupt halting  of deposits of
> "Clovis" Native American artifacts, distinctively fluted tools  and 
> arrowheads.
> Dozens of large animal species vanished then in North America.  Kennett 
> and
> other impact researchers have suggested a continent-wide wildfire  may 
> have
> contributed to the extinction of large North American creatures. In 
> Europe, there
> were disruptions to the prehistoric culture and the demise there  of 
> species
> such as the cave bear and Irish elk. "

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] AP: Toyota Secretly Developing Solar Powered Green Car

[tdemorsella]

I'm trying to make a career change into renewable energy and during my
research, I read this afternoon that it is a mostly false claim.  I
think the care is partially solar

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Martin Baxter"
 wrote:
>
> Please, please, pleasepleasePLEASE...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> 
 From : "Tracey de Morsella" 
> 
 To : , ,   ,
"'Chris de Morsella'" 
> 
> 
TOKYO - Toyota Motor Corp. is secretly developing a vehicle that will be
> powered solely by solar energy in an effort to turn around its
struggling
> business with a futuristic ecological car, a top business daily reported
> Thursday.
> 
> The Nikkei newspaper, however, said it will be years before the planned
> vehicle will be available on the market. Toyota's offices were closed
> Thursday and officials were not immediately available for comment.
> 
> According to The Nikkei, Toyota is working on an electric vehicle
that will
> get some of its power from solar cells equipped on the vehicle, and
that can
> be recharged with electricity generated from solar panels on the
roofs of
> homes. The automaker later hopes to develop a model totally powered
by solar
> cells on the vehicle, the newspaper said without citing sources.
> 
> The solar car is part of efforts by Japan's top automaker to grow during
> hard times, The Nikkei said.
> 
> In December, Toyota stunned the nation by announcing it will slip
into its
> first operating loss in 70 years, as it gets battered by a global slump,
> especially in the key U.S. market. The surging yen has also hurt the
> earnings of Japanese automakers.
> 
> Still, Toyota is a leader in green technology and executives have
stressed
> they won't cut back on environmental research despite its troubles.
> 
> Toyota, the manufacturer of the Lexus luxury car and Camry sedan, has
> already begun using solar panels at its Tsutsumi plant in central
Japan to
> produce some of its own electricity.
> 
> The solar panels on the roofs add up in size to the equivalent of 60
tennis
> courts and produce enough electricity to power 500 homes, according to
> Toyota. That reduces 740 tons a year of carbon dioxide emissions and is
> equal to using 1,500 barrels of crude oil.
> 
> Toyota is also likely to indirectly gain expertise in solar energy
when its
> partner in developing and producing hybrid batteries, Panasonic
Corp., takes
> over Japanese rival Sanyo Electric Co., a leader in solar energy,
early next
> year.
> 
>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/01/ap-toyota-secretly-develo_n_154654.
> html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
>

[scifinoir2] Fantasy Films Feeling The Economic Fallout

[Tracey de Morsella]

Can fantasy epics survive the Credit Crunch Chronicles?

Narnia, His Dark Materials – not even Harry Potter is safe from Tinseltown's
recession

By Guy Adams in Los Angeles
Sunday, 28 December 2008 

America's half-empty shopping malls aren't the only place where big business
is sucking its teeth and proclaiming "everything must go". The worsening
credit crunch is also threatening the future of some of Hollywood's
best-known film franchises.

Disney took advantage of the seasonal news lull last week to quietly slip
out news that it has decided to withdraw from producing The Voyage of the
Dawn Treader, the next in the Chronicles of Narnia series of films based on
the children's books by C S Lewis. 

Blaming "budgetary considerations" for its decision, the studio said it
would not renew an option to co-finance the $200m (£137m) movie because the
worsening economic climate has forced it to become more selective about the
number of films it produces.

It was the second major fantasy franchise to be unceremoniously cancelled in
recent months. Earlier this year, Warner Bros decided not to make a
follow-up to The Golden Compass, the first instalment of Philip Pullman's
His Dark Materials trilogy. At the time, the studio suggested that the
decision to abandon the sequel, The Subtle Knife, had been made because the
original had upset Christian groups.

However, the real reason was likely to have been more prosaic: The Golden
Compass received lukewarm reviews and managed to generate just $70m at the
US box office. Although the film staved off disaster by taking $300m
internationally, investors were sceptical about a follow-up. 

The wider film industry is expecting to tighten its belt in 2009 with even
blue-chip film-makers unable to raise funds. Steven Spielberg's Dreamworks
company is facing a rocky new year after failing to raise the $750m it needs
to produce its slate of 17 films. Some of the money was to have been
provided by AIG, the insurance giant that collapsed in September. No new
investor has yet emerged.

Even Harry Potter, the most profitable franchise in film history, isn't
totally secure. Its screenwriter, Steve Kloves, said recently that Warner
Bros was worried about the prospects for the last three films in the series,
since J K Rowling is no longer driving anticipation for the titles by
producing new books.

Paying by instalments... 

Franchise hits

Harry Potter Surpassed 'Star Wars' and 'The Lord of the Rings', with $4.5bn
(£3.1bn) in sales. Three instalments remain. The 'Half-Blood Prince' will be
released next year.

Twilight Vampire tale had teenagers lining up outside cinemas for midnight
screenings, and international receipts are $200m and counting. Three further
books have already been published.

Franchise misses

Narnia Disney pushed the eject button after 'Prince Caspian', the second in
the series, took $440m, down from $750m for the original, 'The Lion, The
Witch and The Wardrobe'. 

His Dark Materials Tanked in US cinemas, where its first instalment, 'The
Golden Compass', took just $70m. Foreign receipts of $300m saved Warner
Bros.

Franchise hopefuls

Star Trek Superstar director J J Abrams, a $200m budget and a "sexed-up"
plot make May's prequel one of the big gambles of 2009. Paramount hopes to
revive the franchise, but the first trailer divided Trekkies.

Da Vinci Code Tom Hanks is back with a fresh conspiracy movie based on a Dan
Brown potboiler. This one is set in the Vatican.

http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/can-fantasy-epics
-survive-the-credit-crunch-chronicles-1213848.html

[scifinoir2] 20th Century Fox Says F$*K You WB We Will Try And Stop Watchmen!

[Tracey de Morsella]

By Kellvin Chavez on December 29, 2008 

An attorney for 20th Century Fox says the studio will press its case to
delay the release of  
"Watchmen," but a rival studio says it plans to release the film as
scheduled.

U.S. District Court Judge Gary Feess last week agreed with Fox that Warner
Bros. had infringed its copyright by developing and shooting the superhero
flick, casting some doubt on its March 6 release date.

Feess said Monday he plans to hold a trial Jan. 20 to decide remaining
issues.

Fox claims it never fully relinquished story rights for the graphic novel
from its deal made in the late 1980s, and sued Warner Bros. in February.
Warner Bros. contended Fox isn't entitled to distribution.

Warner Bros. said in a statement released Monday afternoon that it won't
move the movie's release date and still thinks it will win the case, either
at trial or through an appeal.

http://www.latinoreview.com/news/20th-century-fox-says-f-k-you-wb-we-will-tr
y-and-stop-watchmen-5910

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? 
And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like 
Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape?

I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read 
character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was 
originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we 
saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be 
more her ability to think outside his logical box.  Beverly Crusher was a fav 
of mine, but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the 
"ultra butch" category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the "ultra fem" category?

What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded 
to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when 
needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was 
tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a 
man.
 -- Original message --
From: "Meta" 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> Next Gen
> > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
>  Too bad
> > they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
> > unexplored potential
> Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> female following they have. 
> 
> Meta
> 
> 


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--- In scifino...@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" >
wrote:
>
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
Next Gen
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
 Too bad
> they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
> unexplored potential
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
female following they have. 

Meta


  


	
	
	

--- End Message ---

Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi

[KeithBJohnson]

Yes, sadly.
 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> No, Keith, not nearly so. To quote Eric Carmen, "Those days are gone..."
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -[ Received Mail Content ]--
> 
>  Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi
> 
>  Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:21:21 +
> 
>  From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net
> 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> Amen. I'm also impressed at the incredible list of guest stars on that 
> series, 
> some of which were famous at the time (Art Carney, Gig Young), many of which 
> were just starting out, and would go on to greater fame (Robert Redford, 
> William 
> Shatner, Elizabeth Montgomery, Carol Burnett,etc.) One of the things I really 
> miss with TV nowadays is the lack of good anthology shows like Zone, Outer 
> Limits, or even reality-based ones like Police Story. Those shows were great 
> to 
> give exposure to up-and-comers. The best we have nowadays is I guess "Law and 
> Order" and "CSI", but for some reason I just don't think of those shows as 
> being 
> the acting showcase Zone and others were.
> 
> 
>  -- Original message --
> From: Daryle Lockhart 
> > 2 weeks ago, they showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat 
> > there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it 
> > in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school. Serling was 
> > SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10 lists that 
> > have "Kick The Can" and "Time Enough At Last" aren't digging deep 
> > enough into the series. This was really good writing, and in some 
> > cases, some really good acting!
> > 
> > On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:
> > 
> > > I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone" 
> > > marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST 
> > > tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and 
> > > original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly fifty-year-old 
> > > series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right now. 
> > > I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the evil 
> > > little kid who sends "bad" people to the cornfield...William 
> > > Shatner freaking out at the gremlin jumping on the wing of his 
> > > plane during a storm...the diabolical little "Talking Tina" doll 
> > > who determines to kill abusive stepdad Telly Savalas...Robert 
> > > Redford's TV debut as the handsome spirit of Death stalking a 
> > > fearful old woman... --and on and on.
> > >
> > > Some of the shows are a bit dated now, if only because their 
> > > endings are no longer a surprise to someone steeped in decades of 
> > > scifi lore (such as the man and woman astronauts stranded on an 
> > > unknown planet who at the end reveal their names to be Adam and 
> > > Eve). But despite that, the Zone is still an engaging, intelligent, 
> > > and relevant show. One can't help watch the ep where everyone is 
> > > forced to get a new body as a teen, even though all the bodies look 
> > > alike, without thinking of the group think the soon departing 
> > > administration foisted on this country. Or how can you look at 
> > > Burgess Meredith's bookish character, sentenced to death for being 
> > > "obsolete" in a State where reading old books and the Bible is 
> > > banned, and not feel the sting of fundamentalists who try to force 
> > > one moral stricture on all people? All of it wrapped in some of the 
> > > best writing TV's ever seen, with Rod Serling and others' sharp 
> > > dialogue firing off like the writings of a great play, language 
> > > wielded like a fine to
> > > ol, with even the names of the characters a treat. And who can 
> > > forget Serling himself, delivering that inimitable clipped-speak 
> > > that introduces each show.
> > >
> > > Twilight Zone may be older than me, its shows all black and white 
> > > and lacking in fancy CGI and FX, its plots sometimes predictable. 
> > > But it still has messages that resonate at any time, warnings we 
> > > all need to heed, humour we can all share, and a professionalism of 
> > > writing and acting that i wish more creators nowadays would mimic.
> > >
> > > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds

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   No, Keith, not nearly so. To quote Eric Carmen, "Those days are gone..."
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 Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 15:21:21 +
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Amen. I'm also impressed at the incredible list of guest stars on that series, some of which were famous at the time (Art Carney, Gig Young), many of which were just starting out, and would go on to greater fame (Robert Redford, William Shatner, Elizabeth Montgomery, Carol Burnett,etc.) One of the things I really miss with TV nowadays is t

Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi

[KeithBJohnson]

Oh, I know that one alright. It's one of the group of hour-long Twilight Zone 
eps. The actor--James Whitmore--always puts me in mind of Spencer Tracy. Great 
show.

 -- Original message --
From: Daryle Lockhart 
> No,  "On Thursday"  is about a group of colonists  stranded on an  
> asteroid for 30  years and earth finally sends a ship to get them.  
> The guy who's been holding the group together resists the  rescue  
> party's authority. If you know any Alpha types, or, if you're like me  
> and are a recovering Alpha male, this episode is like being visited  
> by three ghosts of Christmas.
> 
> On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:55 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
> > Which ep was that one? Is it the one when the people flee their  
> > planet in a spaceship because they fear nuclear annihilation is nigh?
> > You're so right about the depth of the show. Even now, I will catch  
> > an ep I've never seen before--or at least, not in its entirety. I'm  
> > still amazed at the power of such shows.
> >
> > -- Original message --
> > From: Daryle Lockhart 
> > > 2 weeks ago, they showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I sat
> > > there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it
> > > in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school. Serling was
> > > SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10 lists that
> > > have "Kick The Can" and "Time Enough At Last" aren't digging deep
> > > enough into the series. This was really good writing, and in some
> > > cases, some really good acting!
> > >
> > > On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:
> > >
> > > > I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a "Twilight Zone"
> > > > marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST
> > > > tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and
> > > > original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly fifty-year- 
> > old
> > > > series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right now.
> > > > I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the evil
> > > > little kid who sends "bad" people to the cornfield...William
> > > > Shatner freaking out at the gremlin jumping on the wing of his
> > > > plane during a storm...the diabolical little "Talking Tina" doll
> > > > who determines to kill abusive stepdad Telly Savalas...Robert
> > > > Redford's TV debut as the handsome spirit of Death stalking a
> > > > fearful old woman... --and on and on.
> > > >
> > > > Some of the shows are a bit dated now, if only because their
> > > > endings are no longer a surprise to someone steeped in decades of
> > > > scifi lore (such as the man and woman astronauts stranded on an
> > > > unknown planet who at the end reveal their names to be Adam and
> > > > Eve). But despite that, the Zone is still an engaging,  
> > intelligent,
> > > > and relevant show. One can't help watch the ep where everyone is
> > > > forced to get a new body as a teen, even though all the bodies  
> > look
> > > > alike, without thinking of the group think the soon departing
> > > > administration foisted on this country. Or how can you look at
> > > > Burgess Meredith's bookish character, sentenced to death for being
> > > > "obsolete" in a State where reading old books and the Bible is
> > > > banned, and not feel the sting of fundamentalists who try to force
> > > > one moral stricture on all people? All of it wrapped in some of  
> > the
> > > > best writing TV's ever seen, with Rod Serling and others' sharp
> > > > dialogue firing off like the writings of a great play, language
> > > > wielded like a fine to
> > > > ol, with even the names of the characters a treat. And who can
> > > > forget Serling himself, delivering that inimitable clipped-speak
> > > > that introduces each show.
> > > >
> > > > Twilight Zone may be older than me, its shows all black and white
> > > > and lacking in fancy CGI and FX, its plots sometimes predictable.
> > > > But it still has messages that resonate at any time, warnings we
> > > > all need to heed, humour we can all share, and a  
> > professionalism of
> > > > writing and acting that i wish more creators nowadays would mimic.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: Daryle Lockhart 
> > Date: January 2, 2009 12:18:28 AM EST
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Twilight Zone" Marathon on SciFi
> >
> >
> > 2 weeks ago, they  showed "On Thursday We Leave For Home", and I  
> > sat there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't  
> > seen it in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school.   
> > Serling was SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10   
> > lists that  have "Kick The Can"  and "Time Enough At Last"  aren't  
> > digging deep enough into the series. This was really  good writing,  
> > and in some cases,  some really good acting!
> >
> >
> > On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrot

Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies

[KeithBJohnson]

Indeed. As I said in another post just now, there were more balanced women on 
DS9 than any Trek ep. Dax is one of my top fav women of all Trekdom. It's easy 
to say why so many men on the station fell for her. I loved her lighthearted 
nature, that smile she always wore, how she could go from hanging with Kira to 
a romantic date, to a card game at Quarks, then off to pick up a Bat'leth and 
spar with a Klingon.

 -- Original message --
From: "Martin Baxter" 
> IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> dies
> 
>  Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -
> 
>  From : "Meta" 
> 
>  To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
> wrote:
> >
> > I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
> Next Gen
> > with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
>  Too bad
> > they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much
> > unexplored potential
> Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
> the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
> their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
> women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
> glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
> female following they have. 
> 
> Meta
> 
> 
> 
> 
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   IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark.
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--- In scifino...@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" 
wrote:
>
> I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on
Next Gen
> with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders.
 Too bad
> they always used her for comic relief.  That character had so much
> unexplored potential
Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for
the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of
their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do
women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few
glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a
female following they have. 

Meta

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Re: [scifinoir2] Fantasy Films Feeling The Economic Fallout

[KeithBJohnson]

Well it ain't all bad. I'd hate to see big scifi/fantasy movies get pulled. But 
on the positive side, maybe H'wood will get back to actually writing good 
scripts that don't require big-budget FX and CGI.
 -- Original message --
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> Can fantasy epics survive the Credit Crunch Chronicles?
> 
> Narnia, His Dark Materials – not even Harry Potter is safe from Tinseltown's
> recession
> 
> By Guy Adams in Los Angeles
> Sunday, 28 December 2008 
> 
> America's half-empty shopping malls aren't the only place where big business
> is sucking its teeth and proclaiming "everything must go". The worsening
> credit crunch is also threatening the future of some of Hollywood's
> best-known film franchises.
> 
> Disney took advantage of the seasonal news lull last week to quietly slip
> out news that it has decided to withdraw from producing The Voyage of the
> Dawn Treader, the next in the Chronicles of Narnia series of films based on
> the children's books by C S Lewis. 
> 
> Blaming "budgetary considerations" for its decision, the studio said it
> would not renew an option to co-finance the $200m (£137m) movie because the
> worsening economic climate has forced it to become more selective about the
> number of films it produces.
> 
> It was the second major fantasy franchise to be unceremoniously cancelled in
> recent months. Earlier this year, Warner Bros decided not to make a
> follow-up to The Golden Compass, the first instalment of Philip Pullman's
> His Dark Materials trilogy. At the time, the studio suggested that the
> decision to abandon the sequel, The Subtle Knife, had been made because the
> original had upset Christian groups.
> 
> However, the real reason was likely to have been more prosaic: The Golden
> Compass received lukewarm reviews and managed to generate just $70m at the
> US box office. Although the film staved off disaster by taking $300m
> internationally, investors were sceptical about a follow-up. 
> 
> The wider film industry is expecting to tighten its belt in 2009 with even
> blue-chip film-makers unable to raise funds. Steven Spielberg's Dreamworks
> company is facing a rocky new year after failing to raise the $750m it needs
> to produce its slate of 17 films. Some of the money was to have been
> provided by AIG, the insurance giant that collapsed in September. No new
> investor has yet emerged.
> 
> Even Harry Potter, the most profitable franchise in film history, isn't
> totally secure. Its screenwriter, Steve Kloves, said recently that Warner
> Bros was worried about the prospects for the last three films in the series,
> since J K Rowling is no longer driving anticipation for the titles by
> producing new books.
> 
> Paying by instalments... 
> 
> Franchise hits
> 
> Harry Potter Surpassed 'Star Wars' and 'The Lord of the Rings', with $4.5bn
> (£3.1bn) in sales. Three instalments remain. The 'Half-Blood Prince' will be
> released next year.
> 
> Twilight Vampire tale had teenagers lining up outside cinemas for midnight
> screenings, and international receipts are $200m and counting. Three further
> books have already been published.
> 
> Franchise misses
> 
> Narnia Disney pushed the eject button after 'Prince Caspian', the second in
> the series, took $440m, down from $750m for the original, 'The Lion, The
> Witch and The Wardrobe'. 
> 
> His Dark Materials Tanked in US cinemas, where its first instalment, 'The
> Golden Compass', took just $70m. Foreign receipts of $300m saved Warner
> Bros.
> 
> Franchise hopefuls
> 
> Star Trek Superstar director J J Abrams, a $200m budget and a "sexed-up"
> plot make May's prequel one of the big gambles of 2009. Paramount hopes to
> revive the franchise, but the first trailer divided Trekkies.
> 
> Da Vinci Code Tom Hanks is back with a fresh conspiracy movie based on a Dan
> Brown potboiler. This one is set in the Vatican.
> 
> http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/can-fantasy-epics
> -survive-the-credit-crunch-chronicles-1213848.html
> 
> 


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Can fantasy
epics survive the Credit Crunch Chronicles?

Narnia, His Dark
Materials – not even Harry Potter is safe from Tinseltown's recession

By Guy Adams in
Los Angeles
Sunday, 28 December 2008 

America's half-empty shopping malls aren't the only place where big business
is sucking its teeth and proclaiming "everything must go". The
worsening credit crunch is also threatening the future of some of Hollywood's
best-known film franchises.

Disney took advantage of the seasonal news lull last week to quietly slip
out news that it has decided to withdraw from producing The Voyage of the Dawn
Treader, the next in the Chronicles of Narnia series of films based on the
children's books by C S Lewis. 

Blaming "budgetary considerations" for its decision, the studio
said it would not renew an option to co-finance the $200m (£137m) movie because
the worsening economic climate h

Re: [scifinoir2] 10 things you might not know about ...Numbers

[KeithBJohnson]

Good stuff. Back in high school, i was editor of my school newspaper (ah...the 
road not taken!) I was taught by a crusty by kindhearted old news guy who 
reminded me of a nicer Perry White. He was really old school, stressing the 
Who, What, When, Where, How and Why of a good journalist. He taught me to close 
all my news copy with the number "30" to indicate that was the end of the 
story. That's a habit that dates back decades, even centuries, but which has 
mostly fallen out of practice. I doubt any of the younger journalists of today 
even know of the number's usage. Theories as to the origin of "30" for ending a 
news story abound, as detailed below.  --keith




http://everything2.com/title/-30-

 The -30- sign is an archaic term that was used in journalism up to the early 
1980's. The sign was included in the end of copy that was submitted to the 
newsdesk, to mark that this was, indeed, the end of the news story. It is still 
used - albeit rarely - to mark the end of press releases and other 
non-published copy.

The origin of the -30- mark

The -30- mark's true origin is hard to determine. As a previous write-up notes, 
it has been used as one of the telegraph signals meaning "end of story". 
However, the -30- has probably been around since before the telegraph was even 
invented, so this is not likely where it begun.

There are numerous theories regarding possible origins for the-30- sign:

* Eighty means farewell in Bengali; an English officer used 80 in the end 
of a letter to the East India Company in 1785. Adopting this, the EIC mistook 
the 80 for 30.
* The first message during the Civil War. The number "30" was placed on the 
bottom of the telegraph after it was written out. This was later picked up by 
other telegraphers.
* The end mark during early newspapers was the hash sign (#). Typists, 
either by mistake, or to save time, didn't go to upper case, hence "3". A zero 
and two dashes were added for the look of it
* When AP (Associated Press) was established, each member paper was 
entitled to 30 telegraphs a day. The 30 marked the last telegraph.
* Back in the day, when typesetters still manually placed slugs, a 
typesetter would place his #30 slug at the case to symbolize that he was 
finished with his article - so another typesetter could take over the cases
* Press wires closed at the half-hour mark - 30 minutes past the hour.
* Press offices used to close at 3'o'clock. This was later abbreviated to 
3'o, and finally to -30-
* Some people believe that this is a reference to the bible (ignoring that 
we are talking about journalists here, which almost by definition rules out the 
theory), in that 30 silver pieces caused JC's death
* When newspaper stories were handwritten, X meant the end of a sentence, 
XX meant the end of a paragraph, and XXX meant the end of the story (XXX is of 
course 30 in roman numbers)

 -- Original message --
From: "ravenadal" 
> http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-
> perspec1130thingsnov30,0,6049181.story
> 
> 10 things you might not know about ...Numbers
> 
> By Mark Jacob
> 
> Don't be depressed by today's scary economic numbers. Sure, the Dow 
> Jones Industrial Average is a frightening fraction of its former self. 
> But math is proving useful in another way
> 
> 1 "Taking the No. 11 bus" is slang for walking, with the 1's 
> representing your own two legs.
> 
> 2 When restaurant workers cancel an order, they "86" it. For example, 
> a waiter might tell the cook, "Eighty-six the French fries." There are 
> competing theories for the origin of the term. Article 86 of the New 
> York state liquor code spelled out when a customer should be refused 
> alcohol. A soup kitchen during the Depression made only enough soup 
> for 85 people. Delmonico's restaurant in New York City had rib-eye 
> steak listed as No. 86 on the menu, and often ran out. 
> 
> 3 Formulaic screenwriting rules require that a protagonist face an 
> episode of soul-searching despair before rising to conquer the world. 
> Some call this a "low point" or a "dark night of the soul," but no-
> nonsense Hollywood producers refer to it simply as "Page 75."
> 
> 4 "Leet" is a whimsical Internet language in which numbers and other 
> typographical characters impersonate letters to create alternate 
> spellings of words. The title of the TV show "Numb3rs" is an example. 
> In Leet, 3's take the place of E's, 5's impersonate S's, 6's represent 
> G's or B's, 1's pose as L's, and 7's are T's. The term Leet, slang for 
> "elite," can be rendered as 1337. Leet is a constantly mutating 
> bastardization of the language, including such affectations as using Z 
> instead of S to form plurals and spelling "banned" as "B&." There are 
> even Leet converters online. Type in "Shakespeare" and it comes out as 
> S|-|4k35p34r3.
> 
> 
> 
> 5 British musicians call a 128th note a quasihemidemisemiquaver.
> 
> 
> 
> 6 One of Chicago's w

Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA

[KeithBJohnson]

Welcome! I'm really happy to see another Trek fan possibly as rabid as me. 
(We'll forgo the "Trekkie" vs. "Trekker" discussion for a bit!)
I agree with you about Wesley Crusher. After a while it got silly. Remember the 
ep when Geordi is stranded on a plane with a Romulan, and they can't be reached 
because the magnetic field of the planet is so intense? Back on the Enterprise, 
the senior staff is sitting around saying "How can we reach Geordi?" and at a 
loss. Suddenly, Wesley gets the bright idea to send down a beacon emitting a 
neutrino beam.Late, when the beacon materializes on the planet, Geordi's 
first words are "Thank you, Wesley Crusher!"

Even my wife--a casual Trek fan--commented, "Man, that's sad. Geordi didn't 
even think of anyone else but Wesley as being behind that solution!"
 -- Original message --
From: "Dax" 
> Hello, I do hope that you are doing well and the rest of the group. I mean 
> the thing to me about TNG was that I felt that Wesley was solving too many 
> things on the ship and made me think that the senior staff was really dumb. 
> I am sure somewhere in Star Fleet  Command they were thinking the same 
> thing. I thought that however the first Hulk was not good due to the fact 
> that gave too much back info which made the flow of the movie slow. I think 
> if that did not do that it would have been a great movie. In all rights I 
> understand why they did but for die hard fans we know the hulk. We know not 
> to make him angry!
> --Lavender
> If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.
> 
> --
> From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:35 PM
> To: 
> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA
> 
> > Hey Dax:
> >
> > Thanks for taking a leap and sending us your introduction.   There are 
> > about
> > 10 additional members who recently joined who I hope will follow your lead
> > and submit their profiles as well.  (HINT, HINT to those of you who have
> > joined over the past few months.
> >
> > There are a lot of Dax and Sisko fans here on the list, myself included so
> > you should feel right at home.
> >
> > The young nerd character irks me too, but now a new character is starting 
> > to
> > irk me.  The goth chick.  Usually she is a geek hybrid.
> >
> > I liked the first Hulk more than most, but I did not love it. Please share
> > with us why the first Hulk is your favorite
> >
> > Welcome to the group!!!
> >
> > Tracey
> >
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella
> > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA
> >
> > 1.  Name: Wil Lavender
> > 2.  Location: Milledgeville GA
> > 3.  Nickname/ Alias: Dax
> > 4.  To which Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or
> > identify(describe the character): Jadzia Dax. Old but yet fun and wise.
> > 5.  Favorite SciFi Genres: Space
> > 6.  Favorite Scifi Movies: Star Trek
> > 7.  Favorite SciFi TV or Online Shows  ((canceled shows ok) Well I would
> > have to say Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica
> > 8.  Favorite SciFi Producers and Directors: I don't have one.
> > 9.  Favorite SciFi Characters: Capt. Janeway and Capt. Sisko
> > 10. Favorite SciFi Villain: Q
> > 11. Favorite SciFi Comics and Graphic Novels: X men
> > 12. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Book:
> > 13. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Comic or Graphic Novel: X 
> > Men
> > 14. Favorite SciFi Film movie (s) that flopped: The first Hulk movie
> > 15. Your SciFi Favorite  TVShow (s)that was/were canceled unfairly: 
> > Jerhico
> > 16. Favorite Speculative Fiction Books:  Not sure
> > 17. Favorite Speculative Fiction Authors: Not sure
> > 18. List speculative fiction stereotyped scenarios or characters that irk
> > you: The young nerd
> > 19. Other topics of importance to you: The state of the humanity
> > 20. List your own published works, if any: None
> > 21. Your web site: www.myspace.com/dax028
> > 22. Favorite Scifi Web Sites: www.startrek.com
> > ~Tell us anything else you think is important: I am a person that loves
> > history and love sci-fi. I am a person that also is into current events.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa
> > hoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Post your SciFiNoir Profile at
> > 
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo!
>  
> > Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> > 


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Hello, I do hope that you are doing well and the rest of the group. I mean 
the thing to me about TNG was that I felt that Wesley was solving too many 
t

Re: [scifinoir2] Nine Top Critic Top Ten Movies? From Dargis to Reed.

[KeithBJohnson]

I note "Frozen River" is on a couple of lists. Been wanting to see that because 
it stars Melissa Leo. You may remember her as the detective with red, curly, 
wild hair on the great series "Homicide" from back in the '90s. She's a really 
good actress, and has been getting strong reviews for her performance in this 
flick. 
"Cadillac Records" was a very enjoyable movie, and nice to see someone enjoyed 
it enough to be on their top 10.  
 -- Original message --
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
> 
> How
>  m-dargis-to-reed>  about Nine Top Critic Top Tens? From Dargis to Reed. 
> 
> 
> Never hurts to continue surfing the year's best 
> 
> 
> BY: Brad Brevet   |
> December 23rd 2008 at 2:13 AM 
> 
> Top tens are the "thing to do" as the final moments of 2008 begin to tick
> away. I will be offering up my personal top ten a little later this week in
> a Wednesday-Friday 2008 retrospective of sorts to satisfy your listing
> desires through the holiday weekend but for now how about taking a look at
> nine top tens from a list of the top movie critics from around the nation
> from Manohla Dargis at the "New York Times" to Rex Reed at the "New York
> Observer".
> 
> I would like to thank AwardsDaily   for
> pointing out so many of these to me as I began stacking them up as "starred"
> items in my Google Reader. It's interesting to see what films made it on the
> majority of people's lists and what films missed out. I was surprised to
> learn of Silent Light, a film I had not heard of until it made two of the
> lists from the "New York Times" not to mention learning that David Edelstein
> (better known as the critic that got slammed for hating The Dark Knight) has
> Kit Kittredge: An American Girl on his 2008 top ten. Yikes, not winning over
> the faboys with this list David.
> 
> I finish it all off at the end with Roger Ebert's Top Ten Foreign Films and
> for all the bandwagoners, don't worry, Let the Right One In is on there. I
> kid, of course, I actually just started reading the book and have a screener
> copy in hand to watch the minute I finish since I feel that movie has more
> in store than what I originally gleaned from my first screening after which
> I gave the film a B- review
>  . I do need
> to watch my screeners of Timecrimes and Tell No One though, those two films
> seem to be getting praise from a variety of corners.
> 
> Enjoy the lists!
> 
> Manohla Dargis (New York Times
>  )
> 
> 1.Happy-Go-Lucky
> 2.Synecdoche, New York
> 3.Alexandra
> 4.Flight of the Red Balloon
> 5.Silent Light
> 6.Paranoid Park
> 7.The Dark Knight
> 8.Encounters at the End of the World
> 9.Still Life
> 10.   Wendy and Lucy
> 
> A.O. Scott (New   York
> Times)
> 
> 1.WALL.E
> 2.Silent Light
> 3.The Secret of the Grain
> 4.Man on Wire
> 5.The Edge of Heaven
> 6.Happy-Go-Lucky
> 7.Wendy and Lucy
> 8.Milk
> 9.Rachel Getting Married
> 10.   Cadillac Records
> 
> Stephen Holden (New 
> York Times)
> 
> 1.4 Months, 3 Weeks and 2 Days
> 2.The Edge of Heaven
> 3.WALL.E
> 4.Milk
> 5.The Last Mistress
> 6.Happy-Go-Lucky
> 7.A Christmas Tale
> 8.Tell No One
> 9.Frozen River
> 10.   The Visitor
> 
> Peter Travers (Rolling Stone
>  e_years_best_films> )
> 
> 1.Milk
> 2.Slumdog Millionaire
> 3.The Dark Knight
> 4.Frost/Nixon
> 5.WALL.E
> 6.Revolutionary Road
> 7.The Visitor
> 8.Doubt
> 9.Rachel Getting Married
> 10.   Man on Wire
> 
> Kenneth Turan (Los Angeles Times
>  3845.photogallery?1> )
> 
> 1.Slumdog Millionaire
> 2.A Christmas Tale and The Class (tie)
> 3.Frost/Nixon
> 4.Frozen River and Ballast
> 5.Gomorrah and Happy Go Lucky (tie)
> 6.Rachel Getting Married
> 7.Sundance documentaries
> 8.Tell No One
> 9.WALL.E
> 10.   Waltz With Bashir
> 
> David Edlestein (New York 
> Magazine)
> 
> 1.Rachel Getting Married
> 2.WALL.E
> 3.Happy-Go-Lucky
> 4.Cadillac Records
> 5.The Class
> 6.Kit Kittredge: An American Girl
> 7.Waltz With Bashir
> 8.Shotgun Stories
> 9.Doubt
> 10.   Trouble the Water
> 
> Lou Lumenick (New York Post
>  )
> 
> 1.Slumdog Millionaire
> 2.WALL.E
> 3.Milk
> 4.A Christmas Tale
> 5.The Curious