[scifinoir2] Obama May Tear Down Wall Between NASA And Pentagon
Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link (Update1) Email mailto:?Subject=Bloomberg%20news:%20%20Obama%20Moves%20to%20Counter%20China %20With%20Pentagon-NASA%20Link%20%28Update1%29%20body=%20Obama%20Moves%20to %20Counter%20China%20With%20Pentagon-NASA%20Link%20%28Update1%29%20%0D%0A%0D %0A%20http%3A//www.bloomberg.com/apps/news%3Fpid%3Demail_en%26refer=home%26s id%3DaGMy_XFWN_VY | Print http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001refer=homesid=aGMy_XFWN_VY | A http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001refer=homesid=aGMy_XFWN_VY http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001refer=homesid=aGMy_XFWN_VY A http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20670001refer=homesid=aGMy_XFWN_VY A By Demian McLean http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/data?pid=avimageiid=i4ouekH2dGg0 Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Barack+Obamasite=wnewsclient=wnewsp roxystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetfields= wnnissort=date:D:S:d1 Obama will probably tear down long-standing barriers between the U.S.'s civilian and military space programs to speed up a mission to the moon amid the prospect of a new space race with China. Obama's transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle, which isn't slated to fly until 2015, according to people who've discussed the idea with the Obama team. The potential change comes as Pentagon concerns are rising over China's space ambitions because of what is perceived as an eventual threat to U.S. defense satellites, the lofty battlefield eyes of the military. The Obama administration will have all those issues on the table, said Neal http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Neal+Lanesite=wnewsclient=wnewsprox ystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetfields=wnn issort=date:D:S:d1 Lane, who served as President Bill http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Bill%0AClinton%3Fssite=wnewsclient=w newsproxystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetf ields=wnnissort=date:D:S:d1 Clinton's science adviser and wrote recently that Obama must make early decisions critical to retaining U.S. space dominance. The foreign affairs and national security implications have to be considered. China, which destroyed one of its aging satellites in a surprise missile test in 2007, is making strides in its spaceflight program. The military-run effort carried out a first spacewalk in September and aims to land a robotic rover on the moon in 2012, with a human mission several years later. A Level of Proficiency If China puts a man on the moon, that in itself isn't necessarily a threat to the U.S., said Dean Cheng, a senior Asia analyst with CNA Corp., http://www.cna.org/ an Alexandria, Virginia-based national-security research firm. But it would suggest that China had reached a level of proficiency in space comparable to that of the United States. Obama has said the Pentagon's space program -- which spent about $22 billion in fiscal year 2008, almost a third more than NASA's budget -- could be tapped to speed the civilian agency toward its goals as the recession pressures federal spending. NASA faces a five-year gap between the retirement of the space shuttle in 2010 and the first launch of Orion, the six- person craft that will carry astronauts to the International Space Station and eventually the moon. Obama has said he would like to narrow that gap, during which the U.S. will pay Russia to ferry astronauts to the station. NASA Resistance The Obama team has asked NASA officials about the costs and savings of scrapping the agency's new Ares I rocket, which is being developed by Chicago-based Boeing Co. and Minneapolis- based Alliant Techsystems Inc. NASA chief Michael http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Michael+Griffinsite=wnewsclient=wnew sproxystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetfiel ds=wnnissort=date:D:S:d1 Griffin opposes the idea and told Obama's transition team leader, Lori http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Lori+Garversite=wnewsclient=wnewspr oxystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetfields=w nnissort=date:D:S:d1 Garver, that her colleagues lack the engineering background to evaluate rocket options, agency spokesman Chris Shank said. The NASA review team is just asking questions; no decisions have been made, said Nick http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Nick+Shapirosite=wnewsclient=wnewsp roxystylesheet=wnewsoutput=xml_no_dtdie=UTF-8oe=UTF-8filter=pgetfields= wnnissort=date:D:S:d1 Shapiro, a transition spokesman for Obama. The team will pass its finding on to presidential appointees, said Shapiro. At the Pentagon, there may be support for combining launch vehicles. While NASA hasn't recently approached the Pentagon about using its Delta IV
[RE][scifinoir2] Obama May Tear Down Wall Between NASA And Pentagon
Something in that sits wrong with me. Can't place it, but I know I don't like the idea. 'll let you all know when I do sort out the particulars. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Obama May Tear Down Wall Between NASA And Pentagon Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:57:41 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, CINQUE cinque3...@verizon.net, ggs...@yahoo.com, 'paul demorsella' pc...@yahoo.com, 'Chris de Morsella' cdemorse...@yahoo.com Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link (Update1) Email %20With%20Pentagon-NASA%20Link%20%28Update1%29%20amp;body=%20Obama%20Moves%20to %20Counter%20China%20With%20Pentagon-NASA%20Link%20%28Update1%29%20%0D%0A%0D %0A%20http%3A//www.bloomberg.com/apps/news%3Fpid%3Demail_en%26refer=home%26s id%3DaGMy_XFWN_VY | Print | A A A By Demian McLean http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/data?pid=avimageamp;iid=i4ouekH2dGg0 Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack roxystylesheet=wnewsamp;output=xml_no_dtdamp;ie=UTF-8amp;oe=UTF-8amp;filter=pamp;getfields= wnnisamp;sort=date:D:S:d1 Obama will probably tear down long-standing barriers between the U.S.'s civilian and military space programs to speed up a mission to the moon amid the prospect of a new space race with China. Obama's transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle, which isn't slated to fly until 2015, according to people who've discussed the idea with the Obama team. The potential change comes as Pentagon concerns are rising over China's space ambitions because of what is perceived as an eventual threat to U.S. defense satellites, the lofty battlefield eyes of the military. The Obama administration will have all those issues on the table, said Neal ystylesheet=wnewsamp;output=xml_no_dtdamp;ie=UTF-8amp;oe=UTF-8amp;filter=pamp;getfields=wnn isamp;sort=date:D:S:d1 Lane, who served as President Bill newsamp;proxystylesheet=wnewsamp;output=xml_no_dtdamp;ie=UTF-8amp;oe=UTF-8amp;filter=pamp;getf ields=wnnisamp;sort=date:D:S:d1 Clinton's science adviser and wrote recently that Obama must make early decisions critical to retaining U.S. space dominance. The foreign affairs and national security implications have to be considered. China, which destroyed one of its aging satellites in a surprise missile test in 2007, is making strides in its spaceflight program. The military-run effort carried out a first spacewalk in September and aims to land a robotic rover on the moon in 2012, with a human mission several years later. A Level of Proficiency If China puts a man on the moon, that in itself isn't necessarily a threat to the U.S., said Dean Cheng, a senior Asia analyst with CNA Corp., an Alexandria, Virginia-based national-security research firm. But it would suggest that China had reached a level of proficiency in space comparable to that of the United States. Obama has said the Pentagon's space program -- which spent about $22 billion in fiscal year 2008, almost a third more than NASA's budget -- could be tapped to speed the civilian agency toward its goals as the recession pressures federal spending. NASA faces a five-year gap between the retirement of the space shuttle in 2010 and the first launch of Orion, the six- person craft that will carry astronauts to the International Space Station and eventually the moon. Obama has said he would like to narrow that gap, during which the U.S. will pay Russia to ferry astronauts to the station. NASA Resistance The Obama team has asked NASA officials about the costs and savings of scrapping the agency's new Ares I rocket, which is being developed by Chicago-based Boeing Co. and Minneapolis- based Alliant Techsystems Inc. NASA chief Michael samp;proxystylesheet=wnewsamp;output=xml_no_dtdamp;ie=UTF-8amp;oe=UTF-8amp;filter=pamp;getfiel ds=wnnisamp;sort=date:D:S:d1 Griffin opposes the idea and told Obama's transition team leader, Lori oxystylesheet=wnewsamp;output=xml_no_dtdamp;ie=UTF-8amp;oe=UTF-8amp;filter=pamp;getfields=w nnisamp;sort=date:D:S:d1 Garver, that her colleagues lack the engineering background to evaluate rocket options, agency spokesman Chris Shank said. The NASA review team is just asking questions; no decisions have been made, said Nick roxystylesheet=wnewsamp;output=xml_no_dtdamp;ie=UTF-8amp;oe=UTF-8amp;filter=pamp;getfields= wnnisamp;sort=date:D:S:d1 Shapiro, a transition spokesman for Obama. The team will pass its finding on to presidential appointees, said Shapiro. At the Pentagon, there may be support for combining launch vehicles. While NASA hasn't recently approached the Pentagon about using its Delta IV and Atlas V s/AtlasV500Series.html rockets, building them for manned missions could allow for cost sharing, said
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as eye candy, being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Date : Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:19:15 + From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape? I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his logical box. Beverly Crusher was a fav of mine, but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the ultra butch category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the ultra fem category? What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a man. -- Original message -- From: Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. Too bad they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much unexplored potential Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a female following they have. Meta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[RE][scifinoir2] 20th Century Fox Says F$*K You WB We Will Try And Stop Watchmen!
(walking away, shaking head...) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] 20th Century Fox Says F$*K You WB We Will Try And Stop Watchmen! Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 21:33:07 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, CINQUE cinque3...@verizon.net, ggs...@yahoo.com, 'paul demorsella' pc...@yahoo.com By Kellvin Chavez on December 29, 2008 An attorney for 20th Century Fox says the studio will press its case to delay the release of Watchmen, but a rival studio says it plans to release the film as scheduled. U.S. District Court Judge Gary Feess last week agreed with Fox that Warner Bros. had infringed its copyright by developing and shooting the superhero flick, casting some doubt on its March 6 release date. Feess said Monday he plans to hold a trial Jan. 20 to decide remaining issues. Fox claims it never fully relinquished story rights for the graphic novel from its deal made in the late 1980s, and sued Warner Bros. in February. Warner Bros. contended Fox isn't entitled to distribution. Warner Bros. said in a statement released Monday afternoon that it won't move the movie's release date and still thinks it will win the case, either at trial or through an appeal. http://www.latinoreview.com/news/20th-century-fox-says-f-k-you-wb-we-will-tr y-and-stop-watchmen-5910 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
A... I fondly remember Seven's debut into the world of science fiction. Marked the second of only three times I ever cursed at my television. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:45:55 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show. Sigh….. I know. Sex sells From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 - From : Meta To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. Too bad they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much unexplored potential Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a female following they have. Meta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] El Guapo's Top Ten Kick Ass Movies Of 2008!
If this were objective, I'd think you had something, Martin, but it's entirely possible that someone does like one more than the other. Justin On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: *This* is why I have no truck with critics. IMO, there's NO WAY that The Wrestler lands over The Dark Knight. -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com
Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA
i totally agree with the assessment of young mr. crusher. genius he may be, but even being a genius has 2 give away sometimes with experience and training. the ep where he got his field promotion 2 ensign? riker and troi's mom (the late great majel) are kidnapped by the ferengi and it is wesley who recognizes the pattern in the static. good ep in that it was kool seeing wes come on the bridge in his uniform, but it was time 2 write him off the show. he was doing too much. i also noticed in STTNG: Nemesis that he did not have a speaking role, and he was in his dress whites. guess he got tired of 'traveling'? Dr. Fate --- On Sat, 1/3/09, keithbjohn...@comcast.net keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 2:19 AM Welcome! I'm really happy to see another Trek fan possibly as rabid as me. (We'll forgo the Trekkie vs. Trekker discussion for a bit!) I agree with you about Wesley Crusher. After a while it got silly. Remember the ep when Geordi is stranded on a plane with a Romulan, and they can't be reached because the magnetic field of the planet is so intense? Back on the Enterprise, the senior staff is sitting around saying How can we reach Geordi? and at a loss. Suddenly, Wesley gets the bright idea to send down a beacon emitting a neutrino beam.Late, when the beacon materializes on the planet, Geordi's first words are Thank you, Wesley Crusher! Even my wife--a casual Trek fan--commented, Man, that's sad. Geordi didn't even think of anyone else but Wesley as being behind that solution! -- Original message - - From: Dax nx_31...@yahoo. com Hello, I do hope that you are doing well and the rest of the group. I mean the thing to me about TNG was that I felt that Wesley was solving too many things on the ship and made me think that the senior staff was really dumb. I am sure somewhere in Star Fleet Command they were thinking the same thing. I thought that however the first Hulk was not good due to the fact that gave too much back info which made the flow of the movie slow. I think if that did not do that it would have been a great movie. In all rights I understand why they did but for die hard fans we know the hulk. We know not to make him angry! --Lavender If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate. - - - - -- From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:35 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA Hey Dax: Thanks for taking a leap and sending us your introduction. There are about 10 additional members who recently joined who I hope will follow your lead and submit their profiles as well. (HINT, HINT to those of you who have joined over the past few months. There are a lot of Dax and Sisko fans here on the list, myself included so you should feel right at home. The young nerd character irks me too, but now a new character is starting to irk me. The goth chick. Usually she is a geek hybrid. I liked the first Hulk more than most, but I did not love it. Please share with us why the first Hulk is your favorite Welcome to the group!!! Tracey -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA 1. Name: Wil Lavender 2. Location: Milledgeville GA 3. Nickname/ Alias: Dax 4. To which Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or identify(describe the character): Jadzia Dax. Old but yet fun and wise. 5. Favorite SciFi Genres: Space 6. Favorite Scifi Movies: Star Trek 7. Favorite SciFi TV or Online Shows ((canceled shows ok) Well I would have to say Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica 8. Favorite SciFi Producers and Directors: I don't have one. 9. Favorite SciFi Characters: Capt. Janeway and Capt. Sisko 10. Favorite SciFi Villain: Q 11. Favorite SciFi Comics and Graphic Novels: X men 12. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Book: 13. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Comic or Graphic Novel: X Men 14. Favorite SciFi Film movie (s) that flopped: The first Hulk movie 15. Your SciFi Favorite TVShow (s)that was/were canceled unfairly: Jerhico 16. Favorite Speculative Fiction Books: Not sure 17. Favorite Speculative Fiction Authors: Not sure 18. List speculative fiction stereotyped scenarios or characters that irk you: The young nerd 19. Other topics of
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] El Guapo's Top Ten Kick Ass Movies Of 2008!
I concur entirely, Justin. This just might be an unfair reaction on my part. Still, I'll stick with my Little Voice until proven wrong. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] El Guapo's Top Ten Kick Ass Movies Of 2008! Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:02:03 -0500 From : Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com If this were objective, I'd think you had something, Martin, but it's entirely possible that someone does like one more than the other. Justin On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: *This* is why I have no truck with critics. IMO, there's NO WAY that The Wrestler lands over The Dark Knight. -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
Keith, u are so right about them being under used. the exceptions for the trek series were Dax and Kira. i even liked Dax's character when she was in the alternate universe. the thing between her and Sisko was too kool! always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit. as 4 B5, Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass. smart, sexy, and tough. she was good. Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as Aeryn Sun. but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black (so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1. Dr. Fate --- On Sat, 1/3/09, keithbjohn...@comcast.net keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 1:19 AM That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape? I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his logical box. Beverly Crusher was a fav of mine, but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the ultra butch category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the ultra fem category? What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a man. -- Original message - - From: Meta hett...@yahoo. com --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. Too bad they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much unexplored potential Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a female following they have. Meta
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] El Guapo's Top Ten Kick Ass Movies Of 2008!
On my list Dark Knight isn't even top 5. I liked it, and it was great, but Slumdog Millionaire and The Wrestler were far better films. And to be honest, I enjoyed Iron Man more than Dark Knight. I really like Christian Bale, and Chris Nolan, but the movie was about 45 minutes too long. Folks forget that part of the art of movie-making is editing. Dark Knight feels like it was edited on paper and everything that was shot was used. That works for some films, but to me, it didn't work for Dark Knight. I like that Latinoreview is getting the love it's getting right now. On Jan 3, 2009, at 12:05 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: I concur entirely, Justin. This just might be an unfair reaction on my part. Still, I'll stick with my Little Voice until proven wrong. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] El Guapo's Top Ten Kick Ass Movies Of 2008! Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 11:02:03 -0500 From : Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com If this were objective, I'd think you had something, Martin, but it's entirely possible that someone does like one more than the other. Justin On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 8:02 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: *This* is why I have no truck with critics. IMO, there's NO WAY that The Wrestler lands over The Dark Knight. -- Read the Bitter Guide to the Bitter Guy. http://thebitterguy.livejournal.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor to be announced on BBC tomorrow
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: Just in on the BBC website. They are going to announce who is going to be the next doctor on a special Confidential at 17.35 saturday evening Link here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7807742.stm Love Magic, -A Well, now I know and all I can say is ?. Meta
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor to be announced on BBC tomorrow
I think he can do it if Moffat doesn't fuck it up...and I don't have high hopes for Moffat. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Meta hett...@yahoo.com wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@... wrote: Just in on the BBC website. They are going to announce who is going to be the next doctor on a special Confidential at 17.35 saturday evening Link here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7807742.stm Love Magic, -A Well, now I know and all I can say is ?. Meta Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote: That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape? Trek has always had an extremely strong female following. Had it not been for females the whole franchise might have never rearose. Females started the very first drive to bring Trek back when it was in danger of being canceled after season two of TOS as well as keeping the drive going for making the move to film. We also had a strong hand in starting the original fan cons. I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his logical box. I didn't start liking Deanna until she started dressing in uniform and I really became a fan after she played the undercover Romulan. Beverly Crusher was a fav of mine, but she was woefully underused. She was a fav of mine as well and they really had not a clue what to do with her, besides kill patients.:) I guess you'd put Janeway in the ultra butch category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the ultra fem category? I liked Janeway at first, until they turned her into a bad rendition of a female Capt. Ahab with earth as the whale. For some reason I liked Seven, okay the costume was a bit much, but I actually thought Jerry did an okay job. I never meshed with Enterprise so I can't really say much about T'pol. I do plan to watch the show from beginning to end one day. I have to, I'm a Trekkie.:) What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a man. The DS9 ladies were as close to real women as Trek ever came, although here and there they strayed a bit. My fav was Kassidy and they sort of half-heartedly used her. Still DS9 is my favorite 'realistic' Trek. TNG's my fav 'fantasy' Trek. As for the others, Star War only had Leia and in the first movie she was just the 'bone' the heroes wanted. I do like her. One can't expect much more from Lucas, after all. I never saw all of Babylon 5, but I liked what I did see a great deal. As for Farscape, I'm still in shock that they took it off. I absolutely loved this show from beginning to end. They got it right. I'm still hoping for a movie or something. Meta
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as eye candy, being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character. Now it took a very long time and much patients before I could bring myself to like her, but at least she didn't go for the obvious hunky human guys. She turned out to be a good character. Meta
[scifinoir2] Re: FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA
Wesley was Gene Wesley Roddenberry. After Roddenberry became less involved in production, etc. the role of Wesley Crusher became less intrusive. I always liked the kid.:) Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: i totally agree with the assessment of young mr. crusher. genius he may be, but even being a genius has 2 give away sometimes with experience and training. the ep where he got his field promotion 2 ensign? riker and troi's mom (the late great majel) are kidnapped by the ferengi and it is wesley who recognizes the pattern in the static. good ep in that it was kool seeing wes come on the bridge in his uniform, but it was time 2 write him off the show. he was doing too much. i also noticed in STTNG: Nemesis that he did not have a speaking role, and he was in his dress whites. guess he got tired of 'traveling'? Dr. Fate --- On Sat, 1/3/09, keithbjohn...@... keithbjohn...@... wrote: From: keithbjohn...@... keithbjohn...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 2:19 AM Welcome! I'm really happy to see another Trek fan possibly as rabid as me. (We'll forgo the Trekkie vs. Trekker discussion for a bit!) I agree with you about Wesley Crusher. After a while it got silly. Remember the ep when Geordi is stranded on a plane with a Romulan, and they can't be reached because the magnetic field of the planet is so intense? Back on the Enterprise, the senior staff is sitting around saying How can we reach Geordi? and at a loss. Suddenly, Wesley gets the bright idea to send down a beacon emitting a neutrino beam. Late, when the beacon materializes on the planet, Geordi's first words are Thank you, Wesley Crusher! Even my wife--a casual Trek fan--commented, Man, that's sad. Geordi didn't even think of anyone else but Wesley as being behind that solution! -- Original message - - From: Dax nx_31...@yahoo. com Hello, I do hope that you are doing well and the rest of the group. I mean the thing to me about TNG was that I felt that Wesley was solving too many things on the ship and made me think that the senior staff was really dumb. I am sure somewhere in Star Fleet Command they were thinking the same thing. I thought that however the first Hulk was not good due to the fact that gave too much back info which made the flow of the movie slow. I think if that did not do that it would have been a great movie. In all rights I understand why they did but for die hard fans we know the hulk. We know not to make him angry! --Lavender If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate. - - - - -- From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:35 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA Hey Dax: Thanks for taking a leap and sending us your introduction. There are about 10 additional members who recently joined who I hope will follow your lead and submit their profiles as well. (HINT, HINT to those of you who have joined over the past few months. There are a lot of Dax and Sisko fans here on the list, myself included so you should feel right at home. The young nerd character irks me too, but now a new character is starting to irk me. The goth chick. Usually she is a geek hybrid. I liked the first Hulk more than most, but I did not love it. Please share with us why the first Hulk is your favorite Welcome to the group!!! Tracey -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA 1. Name: Wil Lavender 2. Location: Milledgeville GA 3. Nickname/ Alias: Dax 4. To which Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or identify(describe the character): Jadzia Dax. Old but yet fun and wise. 5. Favorite SciFi Genres: Space 6. Favorite Scifi Movies: Star Trek 7. Favorite SciFi TV or Online Shows ((canceled shows ok) Well I would have to say Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica 8. Favorite SciFi Producers and Directors: I don't have one. 9. Favorite SciFi Characters: Capt. Janeway and Capt. Sisko 10. Favorite SciFi Villain: Q 11. Favorite SciFi Comics and Graphic Novels: X men 12. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Book: 13. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Comic or Graphic Novel: X Men 14. Favorite
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: Keith, u are so right about them being under used. the exceptions for the trek series were Dax and Kira. i even liked Dax's character when she was in the alternate universe. the thing between her and Sisko was too kool! always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit. as 4 B5, Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass. smart, sexy, and tough. she was good. Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as Aeryn Sun. but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black (so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1. Dr. Fate I liked all the women in Farscape but Claudia was fantastic. The show was just the best, period. Meta
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
The same with me, Meta. In her first few appearances on-air, I ahd to use the mute button, because her voice really rode me the wrong way. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Date : Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:48:18 - From : Meta hett...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as eye candy, being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character. Now it took a very long time and much patients before I could bring myself to like her, but at least she didn't go for the obvious hunky human guys. She turned out to be a good character. Meta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] SF fan dictionary
http://www.smithway.org/fstuff/termsA-B.html Ansible reference this site this month. I read and nodded and laughed occasionally. If anyone wonders why I stay away from the term sci-fi, note the definition. http://www.smithway.org/fstuff/termsO-S.html SCI FI: 1. Science fiction like junk produced for mass audiences. 2. Non fannish term for science fiction. 3. Seriously intended hyper fannish name for science fiction, based on the popularity of hi fi equipment, invented by Forrest J Ackerman. Unfortunately, his own association and involvement with schlock/grade B sf movies brought the term to its currently accepted meaning (covered adequately by definitions 1 and 2 above). There's also the tongue-in-cheek comment, Hoi polloi pronounce it psi phi, but we cognoscente call it skiffy.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced.
Did you folks really think they were going to do something that drastic. We're talking sci-fi here folks. -GTW ** Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0024)
[scifinoir2] Will Smith voted 2008's top moneymaking movie star
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-01-02-smith-top- moneymaker_N.htm?csp=34 Will Smith voted 2008's top moneymaking movie star NEW YORK (AP) No name on the marquee was more pleasing to theater owners in 2008 than Will Smith, according to a survey of movie exhibitors. Smith, star of Hancock and Seven Pounds, was voted the star who generated the most box office revenue for theaters in an annual survey by Quigley Publishing Co. Smith is only the second black actor to be chosen in the Quigley poll, which since 1932 has asked movie exhibitors to vote on the 10 stars who brought in the most business. Sidney Poitier topped the poll in 1968. Smith's superhero summer blockbuster, Hancock, grossed $228 million. Seven Pounds, currently in theaters, has pulled in a somewhat lackluster $39 million in two weeks. Following Smith, in order, were Robert Downey Jr. (Iron Man,Tropic Thunder), Christian Bale (The Dark Knight ), Shia LaBeouf (Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull) and LaBeouf's Indiana Jones co-star Harrison Ford. The top 10 were rounded out by Adam Sandler, Reese Witherspoon, George Clooney, Angelina Jolie and Daniel Craig. Last year's winner, Johnny Depp, who didn't have a film released this year, didn't make this year's poll, nor did seven-time winner Tom Cruise. Anne Hathaway (Rachel Getting Married ) was voted the top star of tomorrow along with Chris Pine of Bottle Shock. Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Shyamalan Casts Airbender
I'm flipping back and forth between the two right now. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Shyamalan Casts Airbender Date : Thu, 01 Jan 2009 16:27:50 + From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com that's what I'd heard. Oh well, there's always the Twilight Zone marathon on SciFi today, or the Looney Tunes one on Cartoon Network -- Original message -- From: Martin Baxter Keith, *painfully* bad. Think I lasted four minutes before changing the channel. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Shyamalan Casts Airbender Date : Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:58:05 + From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I think that movie was already on SciFi Channel just a few weeks ago. I heard little about it at the theatre, so assumed it was bad, and it being on Skiffy only confirmed that. -- Original message -- From: Augustus Augustus Keith, there was one, an awful movie - Dragon Wars, in which it started off in ancient Japan and when the main characters died and were re-born 500 years later, they were all white. good thing the movie SUCKED royally, or i would have been very upset. Dr. Fate --- On Thu, 12/25/08, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Shyamalan Casts Airbender To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 6:44 PM I hear you. As a black man, I am extremely sensitive to-and often disappointed by--our portrayal in popular culture. But at least blacks are hugely visible and at least a significant part of the power structure in media and entertainment. That can't be said for Natives, so I can imagine it's weird at times. Do you ever find yourself frustrated if you see Natives playing roles in which they're cast as pure Caucasian, with their heritage not being part of their character? I'm not saying it's bad, just wonder how people like Natives and even some Latinos feel when they see members of their groups cast as French or something... . -- Original message -- From: moondancerdrake I'm Cherokee in ancestry. :) I so rarely see any show with Native American or First Nation actors that aren't the alcoholic young Indian man, or the wise elderly medicine man character. After a life time of westerns with other folks playing Indians in less than favorable lights, you get to the point of being happy for any positive images at all. There are a few movies that were a saving grace for me. Windwalker was the first that really affected me in a deep way. One actor I can't get enough of that has had much more success than most is Graham Greene. Then of course is Whale Rider. In my opinion Keisha Castle-Hughes would have been a far better Katara. I'm tired of settling. I feel that the role of Saka and Katara deserved to wear Native faces, not be one more thing the whites took away. I'm not saying this view is logical, but in my heart it simply how I feel. I don't want my children to ever feel invisible as often I did growing up. I want them to see our people and others like us in the spot light, not buried in a sea of white faces and ideals. My two cents for what it's worth Moondancer --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: Are you of Native origin? What's your ancestry? I ask because I was just this day thinking about how people of various ethnic groups feel about their portrayal on the big screen. The thought process was started by me watching reruns of Homicide, the great cop drama. I commented to my wife that ten years after that show, the number of blacks in major dramatic roles who *lead* a show is ridiculously small, and ditto at the box office (Will Smith notwithstanding) . As I was musing on that and portrayals of blacks over the years, i wondered How do other ethnic groups feel? Being from Texas, I'm fairly well acquainted with how those of Latin heritage feel about their stereotyped roles, or being played by a white dude. And with all the terrorism stuff nowadays, I've certainly read a lot of complaints by Arabs, Indians, and Pakistanis who hate the roles given to them--or portrayed by, as you say, white folk with makeup on. Do you feel there are any TV shows or movies in recent times that have portrayed Natives favorably or in a balanced manner? Are there any Native actors currently headlining in any dramatic shows or movies? What if any actors do you think have been able to do justice to the group? I can only think of a couple. I know Adam Beach gets a lot of work playing a Native (Lonesome Dove, Flags of Our Fathers among others). -- Original message -- From:
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced.
Honestly, G, I *was*. Silly me, thinking that because we here in the States had just elected a man of color to our nation's highest office, the world might take a cue. You know what they say about the word assume... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced. Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:03:17 EST From : gwashin...@aol.com To : dar...@darylelockhart.com, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Did you folks really think they were going to do something that drastic. We're talking sci-fi here folks. -GTW ** Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0024) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced.
Yeah, color me silly, too. I thought they were trying to give the show an edge. And I don't think it's an issue of it being sci-fi, I think it's surprising because if ANY media company in the world WOULD go there, it would be the BBC. On Jan 3, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Honestly, G, I *was*. Silly me, thinking that because we here in the States had just elected a man of color to our nation's highest office, the world might take a cue. You know what they say about the word assume... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced. Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:03:17 EST From : gwashin...@aol.com To : dar...@darylelockhart.com, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Did you folks really think they were going to do something that drastic. We're talking sci-fi here folks. -GTW ** Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0024) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[RE][scifinoir2] 11Geeked Out Movies of 2009, G.I. Joe is There...
Push and Up are the two on that list I'm waiting for. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] 11Geeked Out Movies of 2009, G.I. Joe is There... Date : Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:53:48 -0500 From : Mike Street streetfor...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4296838.html -- Blog: http://www.Greasyguide.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/streetforce1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] 11Geeked Out Movies of 2009, G.I. Joe is There...
I am currently reading Push, and it looks like the movie will be as good as the comic. I don't think most people are going to care, but with Djimon Honsou and Dakota Fanning in it, someone will show up. On Dec 30, 2008, at 11:28 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Push and Up are the two on that list I'm waiting for. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] 11Geeked Out Movies of 2009, G.I. Joe is There... Date : Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:53:48 -0500 From : Mike Street streetfor...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4296838.html -- Blog: http://www.Greasyguide.com Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/streetforce1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
RE: [Bulk] [RE][scifinoir2] Obama May Tear Down Wall Between NASA And Pentagon
Chris, that is part of the itch under my skin when I ponder this. Mind you, I can understand the desire of the Guv'mint to have a military presence in space, just in case First Contact is less than friendly, but the military mindset isn't entirely flexible, which can lead to trouble in and of itself. Don't want that at all. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [Bulk] [RE][scifinoir2] Obama May Tear Down Wall Between NASA And Pentagon Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:45:59 -0800 From : Chris de Morsella cdemorse...@yahoo.com To : 'Martin Baxter' truthseeker...@lycos.com, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'Tracey de Morsella' tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com,juliai...@yahoo.it Cc : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, 'CINQUE' cinque3...@verizon.net, ggs...@yahoo.com, 'paul demorsella' pc...@yahoo.com He is militarizing the civilian space agency and the imposition of the military mindset and the DOD prerogatives will mean an end (or at least a severe curtailment) to the civilian science missions. Obviously need to know more details – for example is it cooperation just on building a new launch platform or will the tie in be broader – but me thinks it stinks. Just what we do not need a further expansion of the reach and direct control of the military-industrial complex over what had previously been dancing a little to the edge. NASA is being absorbed by the DOD – and that saddens me. Chris From: Martin Baxter [mailto:truthseeker...@lycos.com] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 4:54 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Cc: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com; CINQUE; ggs...@yahoo.com; 'paul demorsella'; 'Chris de Morsella' Subject: [Bulk] [RE][scifinoir2] Obama May Tear Down Wall Between NASA And Pentagon Something in that sits wrong with me. Can't place it, but I know I don't like the idea. 'll let you all know when I do sort out the particulars. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Obama May Tear Down Wall Between NASA And Pentagon Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 00:57:41 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella To : , CINQUE , , 'paul demorsella' , 'Chris de Morsella' Obama Moves to Counter China With Pentagon-NASA Link (Update1) Email %20With%20Pentagon-NASA%20Link%20%28Update1%29%20amp;body=%20Obama%20Moves%20to %20Counter%20China%20With%20Pentagon-NASA%20Link%20%28Update1%29%20%0D%0A%0D %0A%20http%3A//www.bloomberg.com/apps/news%3Fpid%3Demail_en%26refer=home%26s id%3DaGMy_XFWN_VY | Print | A A A By Demian McLean http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/data?pid=avimageamp;iid=i4ouekH2dGg0 Jan. 2 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack roxystylesheet=wnewsamp;output=xml_no_dtdamp;ie=UTF-8amp;oe=UTF-8amp;filter=pamp;getfields= wnnisamp;sort=date:D:S:d1 Obama will probably tear down long-standing barriers between the U.S.'s civilian and military space programs to speed up a mission to the moon amid the prospect of a new space race with China. Obama's transition team is considering a collaboration between the Defense Department and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration because military rockets may be cheaper and ready sooner than the space agency's planned launch vehicle, which isn't slated to fly until 2015, according to people who've discussed the idea with the Obama team. The potential change comes as Pentagon concerns are rising over China's space ambitions because of what is perceived as an eventual threat to U.S. defense satellites, the lofty battlefield eyes of the military. The Obama administration will have all those issues on the table, said Neal ystylesheet=wnewsamp;output=xml_no_dtdamp;ie=UTF-8amp;oe=UTF-8amp;filter=pamp;getfields=wnn isamp;sort=date:D:S:d1 Lane, who served as President Bill newsamp;proxystylesheet=wnewsamp;output=xml_no_dtdamp;ie=UTF-8amp;oe=UTF-8amp;filter=pamp;getf ields=wnnisamp;sort=date:D:S:d1 Clinton's science adviser and wrote recently that Obama must make early decisions critical to retaining U.S. space dominance. The foreign affairs and national security implications have to be considered. China, which destroyed one of its aging satellites in a surprise missile test in 2007, is making strides in its spaceflight program. The military-run effort carried out a first spacewalk in September and aims to land a robotic rover on the moon in 2012, with a human mission several years later. A Level of Proficiency If China puts a man on the moon, that in itself isn't necessarily a threat to the U.S., said Dean Cheng, a senior Asia analyst with CNA Corp., an Alexandria, Virginia-based national-security research firm. But it would suggest that China had reached a level of proficiency in space comparable to that of the United States. Obama has said the Pentagon's space program -- which spent about $22 billion in fiscal year 2008, almost a third more than NASA's budget -- could be tapped to speed the civilian agency toward its
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced.
Exactly! -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced. Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 18:34:41 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Yeah, color me silly, too. I thought they were trying to give the show an edge. And I don't think it's an issue of it being sci-fi, I think it's surprising because if ANY media company in the world WOULD go there, it would be the BBC. On Jan 3, 2009, at 6:16 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Honestly, G, I *was*. Silly me, thinking that because we here in the States had just elected a man of color to our nation's highest office, the world might take a cue. You know what they say about the word assume... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced. Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:03:17 EST From : gwashin...@aol.com To : dar...@darylelockhart.com, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Did you folks really think they were going to do something that drastic. We're talking sci-fi here folks. -GTW ** Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0024) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup
Well, what do you struggle with precisely? ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 6:20 PM, Dax nx_31...@yahoo.com wrote: *OK beat me and pound on me, for my statement I am about to make I am sorry. But I find that--fascinating. I struggle with that and wonder how is it to be a total vegan? Can you provide more insight?* *--Lavender* *If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate.* *From:* Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com *Sent:* Thursday, January 01, 2009 11:18 PM *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Cat Soup And that's why I'm vegan. :) ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 11:08 PM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Whenever I see articles where people decry the inhumane treatment of animals, my two sides always war with other. The one side indeed hates to hear of even animals that are being killed for food treated in brutal fashion. I hate the idea, for example, of dropping live lobsters into boiling water. So suffocation, strangling, beating them to death appalls me. Kill them humanely (as strangely as that sounds). The other side, though, is always the cynical one that wonders how many of these folks eat meat themselves and are just focusing on a certain *type* of animal. Many folks eat chicken, cow, pork, and seafood, for example, but then freak at countries where cats and dogs are on the menu, calling them barbaric or uncivilized. Well, that's just a matter of culture and taste--literally. So, kill them with kindness, but don't condemn someone for eating Fluffy or Fido, 'cause in some cultures, your serving up those steaks is just as barbaric. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com Cats have a strong flavor. Dogs taste much better, but if you really want cat meat, I can have it delivered by tomorrow, said the butcher, who gave only her surname, Huang. http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/printedition/2008/12/19/cats.html Chinese protest over cats on menu By William Foreman Associated Press Friday, December 19, 2008 Guangzhou, China —- While animal lovers in Beijing protested the killing of cats for food on Thursday, a butcher in Guangdong province —- where felines are the main ingredient in a famous soup —- just shrugged her shoulders and wielded her cleaver. Cats have a strong flavor. Dogs taste much better, but if you really want cat meat, I can have it delivered by tomorrow, said the butcher, who gave only her surname, Huang. It was just this attitude that outraged about 40 cat lovers who unfurled banners in a tearful protest outside the Guangdong government office in Beijing Many were retirees who care for stray felines they said were being rounded up by dealers. We must make them correct this uncivilized behavior, said Wang Hongyao, who represented the group in submitting a letter urging the provincial government to crack down on traders and restaurants, although they were breaking no laws. The protest was the latest clash between age-old traditions and the new sensibilities made possible by China's growing affluence. Pet ownership was once rare because the Communist Party condemned it as bourgeois and most people simply couldn't afford a cat or dog. The protesters' indignation was whipped up by recent reports in Chinese newspapers about the cat meat industry. On Monday, the Southern Metropolis Daily —- a Guangdong paper famous for its exposes and aggressive reporting —- ran a story that said about 1,000 cats were transported by train to Guangdong each day. The animals came from Nanjing, a major trading hub for cats, the newspaper said. They were brought to market by dealers on motorcycles, crammed into wooden crates and sent to Guangdong on trains. A photo showed a cat with green eyes peering from a crowded crate. Some people in Nanjing spend their days fishing for cats, often stealing pets, the report said. One cat owner in Guanghzou said people are afraid to let their pets leave the house for fear they will get nabbed. It's never been this bad. Who knows, it might be because of the bad economy. I've heard that there are cat-nabbing syndicates from Hunan that are rounding up cats, said the man, who would only
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
How could I forget Susan Ivanova? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Date : Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:56:43 - From : Meta hett...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus wrote: Keith, u are so right about them being under used. the exceptions for the trek series were Dax and Kira. i even liked Dax's character when she was in the alternate universe. the thing between her and Sisko was too kool! always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit. as 4 B5, Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass. smart, sexy, and tough. she was good. Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as Aeryn Sun. but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black (so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1. Dr. Fate I liked all the women in Farscape but Claudia was fantastic. The show was just the best, period. Meta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
how indeedy? --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 3:14 PM How could I forget Susan Ivanova? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Date : Sat, 03 Jan 2009 19:56:43 - From : Meta hett...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus wrote: Keith, u are so right about them being under used. the exceptions for the trek series were Dax and Kira. i even liked Dax's character when she was in the alternate universe. the thing between her and Sisko was too kool! always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit. as 4 B5, Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass. smart, sexy, and tough. she was good. Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as Aeryn Sun. but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black (so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1. Dr. Fate I liked all the women in Farscape but Claudia was fantastic. The show was just the best, period. Meta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] Casting shows Who is a savvy multi-million pound brand
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/4094067/Casting-Matt- Smith-shows-that-Doctor-Who-is-a-savvy-multi-million-pound-brand.html Casting a fresh-faced 26-year-old as the Time Lord suggests to Andrew Pettie that Doctor Who is more than merely a long-running television show - it's a savvy multi-million-pound brand. By Andrew Pettie Last Updated: 12:48AM GMT 04 Jan 2009 Comments 0 | Comment on this article Previous1 of 2 ImagesNext Matt Smith is the new Doctor Who Who is the odd one out: Stephen Fry, Matt Smith, David Morrissey, Patterson Joseph, Catherine Zeta-Jones, Catherine Tate, Bill Nighy, Rhys Ifans? The answer is Matt Smith, who was unveiled yesterday as the 11th Doctor Who; the others were among the dozens of actors touted for the role. At 26, Smith will be the youngest ever Doctor. A relative unknown from Northampton, his most celebrated role to date was in the original stage production of Alan Bennett's The History Boys. On screen he has featured in BBC adaptations of Philip Pullman's The Ruby in the Smoke and The Shadow in the North alongside Doctor Who favourite Billie Piper. He won't been seen in the Tardis until the end of the year, when David Tennant, the tenth Doctor, will regenerate during the 2009 Christmas special. But it illustrates Doctor Who's grip on British audiences that a casting decision was deemed worthy of a Saturday afternoon slot on BBC One. The BBC displayed the programme on giant outdoor screens, an honour usually reserved for such national traditions as the Last Night of the Proms and England getting knocked out of the World Cup on penalties. The unveiling of a new Doctor is now a major news event. But why? First, of course, because Doctor Who is so popular. The recent Christmas special starring David Morrissey and Dervla Kirwan was watched by 11.7 million people; the 2007 special, in which Kylie Minogue helped save the world, attracted 12.2 million. And audiences don't just watch Doctor Who, they love it. Broadcasters use a thing called the Appreciation Index, or AI, to measure viewers' responses. Aside from the soaps, since its revival in 2005 Doctor Who has had the highest AI rating of any TV drama. It is also watched by a startling cross-section of the population. Television executives have coined the phrase three-generation TV for shows that grandparents, parents and grandchildren can enjoy together. It is a channel controller's holy grail and, in finding it, Doctor Who's executive producer Russell T Davies has remade Saturday teatime television. True, The X Factor and Strictly Come Dancing win similar ratings. But they rely on timeless elements singing, dancing that predate television. To conjure up a scripted drama that keeps eight-year olds and 80-year olds captivated is a feat of alchemy. No wonder a host of imitators trail in the Doctor's wake. Nor is it a surprise that Steven Spielberg, the master of family entertainment, thinks the world would be a poorer place without Doctor Who. Davies, who writes many of the scripts and oversees all aspects of the show, must take much of the credit. But beneath the childlike glee of a genuine Whovian lies a shrewd self-publicist. Davies and the BBC have milked interest in the identity of the 11th Doctor for all it is worth. The Christmas special was called The Next Doctor (it featured a man with delusions that he was the Doctor). Since Tennant said in October that he would quit the Tardis, Davies has barely let an interview go by without touting a replacement; Zeta-Jones was one of his tips. All this despite Davies's earlier admission that I literally am not part of choosing the new Doctor Who. I've not been in a single meeting about it. I haven't got a list. This is true: Matt Smith was chosen by Stephen Moffat and Piers Wenger, who will succeed Russell T Davies as executive producer for series five, which starts filming this summer and will air in 2010. Davies, however, has already written Tennant's final episode, without knowing which actor Tennant would regenerate into. But the Who hullabaloo isn't just a tease; it illustrates that Doctor Who is now more than entertainment; it's a global, multi-million-pound brand. The series is shown in 42 countries, from Belgium to Brazil and Thailand to Turkey. There are two spin-offs, the darker Torchwood starring John Barrowman as Captain Jack Harkness, and The Sarah Jane Adventures, a children's drama about one of the Doctor's former companions. The merchandise is legion; you can buy everything from your own Sonic Screwdriver (an LED torch) to Cyberman bubble bath (wouldn't the water upset their circuits?). But Doctor Who is a success primarily because it is so effortlessly entertaining. This is in large part due to the elasticity of its sci- fi premise. Thanks to the Tardis, the Doctor can travel anywhere in space or time. One moment he's rubbing shoulders with Shakespeare, the next battling aliens far
Re: [scifinoir2] Twilight Zone Marathon on SciFi
Gerald, I'm right there with you on To Serve Man. I've seen it a dozen times easily and, knowing fully what the punch line is going to be every time, I still jump at its utterance, then squirm in my seat when Lloyd Bochner's character is refusing food offered him, knowing his eventual fate. Martin (squirming right now) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Twilight Zone Marathon on SciFi Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 00:59:18 -0800 (PST) From : Gerald Haynes efhay...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I've always considered The Silence as one of my favorites. I know it's been spoofed a million times, but for some reason To Serve Man always gets me. The Dummy creeps me out every time I see it... well, because it's a talking dummy. Gerald Haynes Time, Money, and Quality, you may have only two. Never enough time to do it right. Always enough time to do it over. Continual improvement is always better than delayed perfection. From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 2, 2009 12:55:01 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Twilight Zone Marathon on SciFi Which ep was that one? Is it the one when the people flee their planet in a spaceship because they fear nuclear annihilation is nigh? You're so right about the depth of the show. Even now, I will catch an ep I've never seen before--or at least, not in its entirety. I'm still amazed at the power of such shows. -- Original message - - From: Daryle Lockhart 2 weeks ago, they showed On Thursday We Leave For Home, and I sat there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school. Serling was SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10 lists that have Kick The Can and Time Enough At Last aren't digging deep enough into the series. This was really good writing, and in some cases, some really good acting! On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: I forgot to mention, SciFi's been running a Twilight Zone marathon since yesterday. It's running until around 6 am EST tomorrow morning. You know, it's kinda sad: all the new and original dreck they throw at us, and still, a nearly fifty-year-old series has some of the best writing and acting on TV right now. I've seen most of the Zone eps many times over: Anthony, the evil little kid who sends bad people to the cornfield... William Shatner freaking out at the gremlin jumping on the wing of his plane during a storm...the diabolical little Talking Tina doll who determines to kill abusive stepdad Telly Savalas...Robert Redford's TV debut as the handsome spirit of Death stalking a fearful old woman... --and on and on. Some of the shows are a bit dated now, if only because their endings are no longer a surprise to someone steeped in decades of scifi lore (such as the man and woman astronauts stranded on an unknown planet who at the end reveal their names to be Adam and Eve). But despite that, the Zone is still an engaging, intelligent, and relevant show. One can't help watch the ep where everyone is forced to get a new body as a teen, even though all the bodies look alike, without thinking of the group think the soon departing administration foisted on this country. Or how can you look at Burgess Meredith's bookish character, sentenced to death for being obsolete in a State where reading old books and the Bible is banned, and not feel the sting of fundamentalists who try to force one moral stricture on all people? All of it wrapped in some of the best writing TV's ever seen, with Rod Serling and others' sharp dialogue firing off like the writings of a great play, language wielded like a fine to ol, with even the names of the characters a treat. And who can forget Serling himself, delivering that inimitable clipped-speak that introduces each show. Twilight Zone may be older than me, its shows all black and white and lacking in fancy CGI and FX, its plots sometimes predictable. But it still has messages that resonate at any time, warnings we all need to heed, humour we can all share, and a professionalism of writing and acting that i wish more creators nowadays would mimic. -Inline Message Follows- 2 weeks ago, they showed On Thursday We Leave For Home, and I sat there like it was the first time it was ever aired. I hadn't seen it in years, and it was my favorite episode in high school. Serling was SO ahead of his time with these episodes, and top 10 lists that have Kick The Can and Time Enough At Last aren't digging deep enough into the series. This was really good writing, and in some cases, some really good acting! On Jan 2, 2009, at 12:10 AM, KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: I forgot to mention, SciFi's been
[scifinoir2] Re: Predestination and ontological paradoxes in Planet of the Apes marathon
But eye LIKE when pondering Temporal Disinterest Hypotheses make my head hurt. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Dax nx_31...@... wrote: As Janeway always says when it gives you a headache is best to simply ignore it. :-) --Lavender If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate. -- From: ravenadal ravena...@... Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:44 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Predestination and ontological paradoxes in Planet of the Apes marathon I watched movies 2-5 in the Planet of the Apes series during Encore's 24 hour New Year Eve's marathon (Going Apesh*t on New Year's). I am a big fan of the original Planet of the Apes but had never seen Escape From The Planet Of The Apes, Conquest Of The Planet Of The Apes, or Battle For The Planet Of The Apes. As a whole, the last three movies in the series are like Randy Watson in Coming to America: they are good and terrible. But they are interesting nonetheless. Since the main conflict is between ape and man, race relations between blacks and whites are surprisingly cordial in the three movies I saw. In fact, The Planet of the Apes pentalogy are one of the few science fiction franchises that portends a future with black people in it. There is a black man on the presidential council that decides Cornelius and Zira's fate in Escape; the governor's chief aide (Hari Rhodes) is black in Conquest; Caesar's right hand man (Austin Stoker)is black in Battle; but black people are liberally sprinkled throughout every social strata presented. Since the last three movies of the Apes pentalogy begin with Doctors Cornelius, Zira and Milo escaping back in time, the question of temporal, predestination and ontological paradoxes arises. In short, as Caesar is the child of two of the talking apes from the 40th- century future, a future that resulted from the Ape rebellion, Caesar's existence creates a predestination paradox and an ontological paradox. Which led me to this interesting article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporal_paradox My personal favorite is the Temporal Disinterest Hypothesis. This hypothesis states that if someone builds a time machine for a specific purpose, and fulfills this purpose by means of time travel into the past, the resulting being (the maker of the time machine) would be satisfied and not have a reason to create a time machine, thus causing yet another paradox. This type of paradox is avoided in the 2002 adaptation of H.G. Wells' The Time Machine where the main character creates a time machine to save his dead fiance, but upon doing so she is killed another way. When traveling to the future he finally finds out that if she did not die he would never create the time machine, thus it is impossible to save her. That kinda makes your head hurt (but I like it!). ~rave! Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
[scifinoir2] George Lazenby (was:Re: New Doctor has been announced)
On Her Majesty's Secret Service was the first Bond movie I ever saw, and because viewing it required me and a quartet of brothers (of other mothers) to make a fantastic voyage from the hood to the whitest of white suburbs (still one of the scariest and most exhilarating nights of my life) it retains a certain fondness in my heart. But, unlike a certain friend of mine who saw Godfather 3 first and swears IT is the best of the Godfather movies, I harbor no such delusions about OHMSS - or George Lazenby. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@... wrote: Actually I like Lazenby. His Bond was kool. From the opening teaser, after he fights the 2 guys on the beach and the woman drives away. He looks right into the camera and delivers a classic Bond line, this never happened to the other fellow! --- On Sat, 1/3/09, Daryle Lockhart dar...@... wrote: From: Daryle Lockhart dar...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced. To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 3:19 PM lol...exactly. Lazenby is the only Bond actor to only do one movie. He is the most forgettable of them all. On Jan 3, 2009, at 3:13 PM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: Who's George Lazenby? ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ theoath_bound. html On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockha rt.comwrote: Well, let's get this discussion going, shall we? http://theblackboxo ffice.com/ ?p=1142 The BBC have announced that Matt Smith will replace David. Personally? I think he's too young. David became the role and this kid is going to spend a season just living up to it. If, as you say, Moffat screws it up, then this guy becomes the George Lazenby of Dr. Who. On Jan 3, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I think he can do it if Moffat doesn't fuck it up...and I don't have high hopes for Moffat. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ theoath_bound. html On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Meta hett...@yahoo. com wrote: --- in scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.brennan@ ... wrote: Just in on the BBC website. They are going to announce who is going to be the next doctor on a special Confidential at 17.35 saturday evening Link here http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 1/hi/entertainme nt/7807742. stm Love Magic, -A Well, now I know and all I can say is ?. Meta - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced.
The Doctor regenerate into the body of the Master? That would be the ultimate shark-jump wankfest. The only thing worse is if he regenerated into a woman. Or Captain Jack. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.comwrote: I've always believed in giving a body a chance to stand or fall on their own merits. I recall two or three people saying that Tennant would never fly in the role. (None here, fear not - these folks live in SkiffyBoardLand.) And allow me to say that I would crack my crankcase if Simm were to be given the job. I can imagine the freak-out that fans would have. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced. Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:38:53 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Well, let's get this discussion going, shall we? http://theblackboxoffice.com/?p=1142 The BBC have announced that Matt Smith will replace David. Personally? I think he's too young. David became the role and this kid is going to spend a season just living up to it. If, as you say, Moffat screws it up, then this guy becomes the George Lazenby of Dr. Who. On Jan 3, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I think he can do it if Moffat doesn't fuck it up...and I don't have high hopes for Moffat. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http:// www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http:// www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http:// www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Meta wrote: --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan wrote: Just in on the BBC website. They are going to announce who is going to be the next doctor on a special Confidential at 17.35 saturday evening Link here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7807742.stm Love amp; Magic, -A Well, now I know and all I can say is ?. Meta Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] AP: Toyota Secretly Developing Solar Powered Green Car
Tracey, I've seen nothing to that effect anywhere in the news. In fact, I'm taking that as an attempt by Big Oil, Inc to knock this down before it sees the light of day. Wouldn't be the first time. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] AP: Toyota Secretly Developing Solar Powered Green Car Date : Sat, 03 Jan 2009 05:02:05 - From : tdemorsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I'm trying to make a career change into renewable energy and during my research, I read this afternoon that it is a mostly false claim. I think the care is partially solar --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Please, please, pleasepleasePLEASE... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] AP: Toyota Secretly Developing Solar Powered Green Car Date : Fri, 2 Jan 2009 02:06:55 -0800 From : Tracey de Morsella To : , , , 'Chris de Morsella' TOKYO - Toyota Motor Corp. is secretly developing a vehicle that will be powered solely by solar energy in an effort to turn around its struggling business with a futuristic ecological car, a top business daily reported Thursday. The Nikkei newspaper, however, said it will be years before the planned vehicle will be available on the market. Toyota's offices were closed Thursday and officials were not immediately available for comment. According to The Nikkei, Toyota is working on an electric vehicle that will get some of its power from solar cells equipped on the vehicle, and that can be recharged with electricity generated from solar panels on the roofs of homes. The automaker later hopes to develop a model totally powered by solar cells on the vehicle, the newspaper said without citing sources. The solar car is part of efforts by Japan's top automaker to grow during hard times, The Nikkei said. In December, Toyota stunned the nation by announcing it will slip into its first operating loss in 70 years, as it gets battered by a global slump, especially in the key U.S. market. The surging yen has also hurt the earnings of Japanese automakers. Still, Toyota is a leader in green technology and executives have stressed they won't cut back on environmental research despite its troubles. Toyota, the manufacturer of the Lexus luxury car and Camry sedan, has already begun using solar panels at its Tsutsumi plant in central Japan to produce some of its own electricity. The solar panels on the roofs add up in size to the equivalent of 60 tennis courts and produce enough electricity to power 500 homes, according to Toyota. That reduces 740 tons a year of carbon dioxide emissions and is equal to using 1,500 barrels of crude oil. Toyota is also likely to indirectly gain expertise in solar energy when its partner in developing and producing hybrid batteries, Panasonic Corp., takes over Japanese rival Sanyo Electric Co., a leader in solar energy, early next year. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/01/01/ap-toyota-secretly-develo_n_154654. html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced.
Nothing wrong with Captain Jack! I just think it'd be the dumbest thing ever for the Doctor to regenerate into the same body as him. :P ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.comwrote: AB, come on now, lay off my guy Capt. Jack! waiting on the new season with Martha Jones. Fate. --- On *Sat, 1/3/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com* wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced. To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 9:47 PM The Doctor regenerate into the body of the Master? That would be the ultimate shark-jump wankfest. The only thing worse is if he regenerated into a woman. Or Captain Jack. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ theoath_bound. htmlhttp://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.comtruthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: I've always believed in giving a body a chance to stand or fall on their own merits. I recall two or three people saying that Tennant would never fly in the role. (None here, fear not - these folks live in SkiffyBoardLand. ) And allow me to say that I would crack my crankcase if Simm were to be given the job. I can imagine the freak-out that fans would have. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced. Date : Sat, 3 Jan 2009 14:38:53 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockha rt.comdar...@darylelockhart.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Well, let's get this discussion going, shall we? http://theblackboxo ffice.com/ ?p=1142http://theblackboxoffice.com/?p=1142 The BBC have announced that Matt Smith will replace David. Personally? I think he's too young. David became the role and this kid is going to spend a season just living up to it. If, as you say, Moffat screws it up, then this guy becomes the George Lazenby of Dr. Who. On Jan 3, 2009, at 2:22 PM, Adrianne Brennan wrote: I think he can do it if Moffat doesn't fuck it up...and I don't have high hopes for Moffat. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http:// www.adriannebrennan .com/botdm. htmlhttp://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http:// www.adriannebrennan .com/bamc. htmlhttp://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to undertake The Oath in Book 1 Bound: http:// www.adriannebrennan .com/theoath_ bound.htmlhttp://www.adriannebrennan.com/theoath_bound.html On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Meta wrote: --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Adrianne Brennan wrote: Just in on the BBC website. They are going to announce who is going to be the next doctor on a special Confidential at 17.35 saturday evening Link here http://news. bbc.co.uk/ 1/hi/entertainme nt/7807742. stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7807742.stm Love amp; Magic, -A Well, now I know and all I can say is ?. Meta - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/addhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add ? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntdshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
[scifinoir2] O'Reilly Factor: Obama's a pop star - WTF?
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Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
For me I thought that Dr. Crusher would become a stronger character when she was in command of the Enterprise. However that fell through. Then it became to me that in every movie her role became less and less. Meaning what was the point in having her in the movies at all. But I have to agree with Mr. Baxter, Jadzia was the best female character out of the whole series. --Lavender If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate. From: Tracey de Morsella Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show. Sigh….. I know. Sex sells From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 - From : Meta hett...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. Too bad they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much unexplored potential Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a female following they have. Meta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] Uncle Ben is Chairman of the Board
LMNAO -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Uncle Ben is Chairman of the Board Date : Thu, 1 Jan 2009 13:27:07 -0500 From : Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Eh. At least he's using a Mac. On Jan 1, 2009, at 11:37 AM, keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: All the makeovers in the world don't obscure the racist origins of Uncle Ben and Aunt Jemima. Yeah, most of us grew up eating Aunt Jemima pancakes and syrup, and I can't deny i've bought Ben's rice now and again (no more), but the very names are rooted in paternalistic racial ideas, a time when an old black man was good to serve the family, just strong enough to cook and clean, not strong enough to be a threat, and when a black woman had to be big and black and nurturing. I know that many people alive don't even get the symbolism, but it irks me. If they really want to be progressive, then both companies should drop the Aunt and Uncle and just use their names. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal http://www.unclebens.com/?showoffice=true http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/business/media/30adco.html Uncle Ben, Board Chairman By STUART ELLIOTT Published: March 30, 2007 A racially charged advertising character, who for decades has been relegated to a minor role in the marketing of the products that still carry his name, is taking center stage in a campaign that gives him a makeover — Madison Avenue style — by promoting him to chairman of the company. From: ravenadal Date: December 31, 2008 9:04:21 PM EST To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Uncle Ben is Chairman of the Board http://www.unclebens.com/?showoffice=true http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/30/business/media/30adco.html Uncle Ben, Board Chairman By STUART ELLIOTT Published: March 30, 2007 A racially charged advertising character, who for decades has been relegated to a minor role in the marketing of the products that still carry his name, is taking center stage in a campaign that gives him a makeover — Madison Avenue style — by promoting him to chairman of the company. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA
Yes, you are right I remember that episode. I mean it came to a point I thought to myself what was the point of having a senior staff when you had him on board. I think what would have been a good episode would have been the lower decks having a party when he left for the academy--what a joy. I know Data was glad even though he didn't have emotions back then. By the way, have you been to a convention? --Lavender If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate. -- From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 2:19 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA Welcome! I'm really happy to see another Trek fan possibly as rabid as me. (We'll forgo the Trekkie vs. Trekker discussion for a bit!) I agree with you about Wesley Crusher. After a while it got silly. Remember the ep when Geordi is stranded on a plane with a Romulan, and they can't be reached because the magnetic field of the planet is so intense? Back on the Enterprise, the senior staff is sitting around saying How can we reach Geordi? and at a loss. Suddenly, Wesley gets the bright idea to send down a beacon emitting a neutrino beam.Late, when the beacon materializes on the planet, Geordi's first words are Thank you, Wesley Crusher! Even my wife--a casual Trek fan--commented, Man, that's sad. Geordi didn't even think of anyone else but Wesley as being behind that solution! -- Original message -- From: Dax nx_31...@yahoo.com Hello, I do hope that you are doing well and the rest of the group. I mean the thing to me about TNG was that I felt that Wesley was solving too many things on the ship and made me think that the senior staff was really dumb. I am sure somewhere in Star Fleet Command they were thinking the same thing. I thought that however the first Hulk was not good due to the fact that gave too much back info which made the flow of the movie slow. I think if that did not do that it would have been a great movie. In all rights I understand why they did but for die hard fans we know the hulk. We know not to make him angry! --Lavender If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate. -- From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:35 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA Hey Dax: Thanks for taking a leap and sending us your introduction. There are about 10 additional members who recently joined who I hope will follow your lead and submit their profiles as well. (HINT, HINT to those of you who have joined over the past few months. There are a lot of Dax and Sisko fans here on the list, myself included so you should feel right at home. The young nerd character irks me too, but now a new character is starting to irk me. The goth chick. Usually she is a geek hybrid. I liked the first Hulk more than most, but I did not love it. Please share with us why the first Hulk is your favorite Welcome to the group!!! Tracey -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA 1. Name: Wil Lavender 2. Location: Milledgeville GA 3. Nickname/ Alias: Dax 4. To which Speculative Fiction Character do you relate or identify(describe the character): Jadzia Dax. Old but yet fun and wise. 5. Favorite SciFi Genres: Space 6. Favorite Scifi Movies: Star Trek 7. Favorite SciFi TV or Online Shows ((canceled shows ok) Well I would have to say Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica 8. Favorite SciFi Producers and Directors: I don't have one. 9. Favorite SciFi Characters: Capt. Janeway and Capt. Sisko 10. Favorite SciFi Villain: Q 11. Favorite SciFi Comics and Graphic Novels: X men 12. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Book: 13. Favorite SciFi Film or TV Adaptation of a Comic or Graphic Novel: X Men 14. Favorite SciFi Film movie (s) that flopped: The first Hulk movie 15. Your SciFi Favorite TVShow (s)that was/were canceled unfairly: Jerhico 16. Favorite Speculative Fiction Books: Not sure 17. Favorite Speculative Fiction Authors: Not sure 18. List speculative fiction stereotyped scenarios or characters that irk you: The young nerd 19. Other topics of importance to you: The state of the humanity 20. List your own published works, if any: None 21. Your web site: www.myspace.com/dax028 22. Favorite Scifi Web Sites: www.startrek.com ~Tell us anything else you think is important: I am a person that loves history and love sci-fi. I am a person that also is
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: New Doctor has been announced.
Actually. From what I've heard they all but edited her out of the new season of Torchwood. And you won't see her again soon in any new episodes of Dr Who (past those now shown on BBC america) either. Sorry -GTW In a message dated 1/3/09 9:57:00 PM, jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com writes: AB, come on now, lay off my guy Capt. Jack! waiting on the new season with Martha Jones. Fate. ** Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0024)
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
I thought of her, but wondered if, like Seven, she'd be thrown in the ultra-fem category because of her appearance, job, and initial characterization. -- Original message -- From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as eye candy, being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Date : Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:19:15 + From : keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape? I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his logical box. Beverly Crusher was a fav of mine, but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the ultra butch category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the ultra fem category? What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a man. -- Original message -- From: Meta --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. Too bad they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much unexplored potential Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a female following they have. Meta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds ---BeginMessage--- May I venture to throw in Leeta, also from DS9? She started out as eye candy, being a Dabo girl, but eventually became a strong character. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Date : Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:19:15 From : KeithBJohnson@comcast.net To : scifino...@yahoogroups.com That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape? I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his logical box. Beverly Crusher was a fav of mine, but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the "ultra butch" category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the "ultra fem" category? What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a man. -- Original message -- From: "Meta" --- In scifino...@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" wrote: I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. Too bad they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much unexplored potential Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a female following they have. Meta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds ---End Message---
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
Oh yeah, Ivanova on B5 was awesome. I also liked the telepath who was enhanced by the Vorlons and became a sort of agent for Sheridan against the Psi Corps and others. Claudia Black on Farscape was amazing. She was one of the toughest, coolest women in TV scifi I've ever seen. I loved her character on SG-1 too, but gotta admit, it was really jarring seeing the tough Aeryn show up as a seemingly flighty thief! Took a while to get adjusted to that change! -- Original message -- From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com Keith, u are so right about them being under used. the exceptions for the trek series were Dax and Kira. i even liked Dax's character when she was in the alternate universe. the thing between her and Sisko was too kool! always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit. as 4 B5, Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass. smart, sexy, and tough. she was good. Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as Aeryn Sun. but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black (so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1. Dr. Fate --- On Sat, 1/3/09, keithbjohn...@comcast.net keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 1:19 AM That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape? I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his logical box. Beverly Crusher was a fav of mine, but she was woefully underused. I guess you'd put Janeway in the ultra butch category, and Seven of Nine and T'Pol in the ultra fem category? What about the women of Deep Space Nine? They seemed to be fairly well-rounded to me. Dax was sexy and attractive, but also smart and tough and serious when needed. She was never too far one way or the other. Same for Kira, who was tough as nails, but allowed to be a woman who could have tender feelings for a man. -- Original message - - From: Meta hett...@yahoo. com --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. Too bad they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much unexplored potential Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a female following they have. Meta ---BeginMessage--- Keith, u are so right about them being under used. the exceptions for the trek series were Dax and Kira. i even liked Dax's character when she was in the alternate universe. the thing between her and Sisko was too kool! always knew he wanted 2 hit just a little bit. as 4 B5, Claudia Christian as Susan Ivanova was kick ass. smart, sexy, and tough. she was good. Farscape was good too with Claudia Black as Aeryn Sun. but then again, always had a little crush on claudia black (so u know she was my fav when they brought her onto SG-1.Dr. Fate--- On Sat, 1/3/09, KeithBJohnson@comcast.net KeithBJohnson@comcast.net wrote:From: KeithBJohnson@comcast.net KeithBJohnson@comcast.netSubject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, diesTo: scifino...@yahoogroups.comDate: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 1:19 AM That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape? I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his logical box. Beverly
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
Good point on the women behind Trek. And there are the creative forces behind the scenes that shepherded the franchise, such as D.C. Fontana, Melinda Snodgrass (the story runner for a while on TNG), and of course, Majel Roddenberry herself. I only threw in Star Wars to be polite, because I know it does have a massive following. But personally I never put it in the same category of serious scif as Trek, B5, and Farscape. Some of the books and fan fiction deal with it in mature, intelligent ways, but the movies--with the exception of The Empire Strikes Back--are just too Saturday morning for me to discuss much in the same breath with Trek. As for Troi's character, Mirina Sirtis herself was constantly frustrated at Troi's rather vacuous portrayal, especially, the much joked about Someone is planning something Captain, but I can't say who or what usage of her empathic powers. Usually, Troi's empathy was no more helpful than the common sense and ability to read others we humans possess. It became a joke that even my casual fan wife was in on. As for that show where Troi was an undercover Romulan, Sirtis herself talked about that. Remember the later ep when the Enterprise and a Romulan ship were locked together in a temporal bubble? While exploring the cause of the problem, Troi's character tells Picard about how Romulan ships use a micro singularity as the power source for their engines. Sirtis was thrilled to get that line, because it showed she'd gained knowledge about Romulans from that undercover ep, and it finally allowed her character to show some intelligence and utility aside from distracting--er, helping--cr ew members as Ship's Counselor. Seven of Nine always bothered me. Jeri Ryan did okay, but she was no better an actor than other characters on the show that ultimately got short shrift, such as Garrett Wang (Kim), Tim Russ (Tuvok), and Robert Beltran (Chakotay). All suffered in the ridiculous focus on Seven. And while I'm a straight guy who doesn't mind seeing the female form, i hate being manipulated, and the Seven catsuits and high heels were just too ridiculous for me to feel anything but manipulated. The sexiest women in recent Trek all had on more clothing and got my attention way more: Dax, Kira, Cassidy Yates. Having watched Voyager reruns for a while now, I'm amazed at how overt this was. There are at least two shows I can think of, for example, where the crew had to fight to survive. I believe both dealt with that race of hunters, the Hirogin (sp?) In both cases, Tuvok--a century-old Vulcan who is supposed to be a superbly skilled martial artist--was injured, punked, and sat on the sidelines while Seven saved the day. She frankly got on my nerves, and the dynamic between her and Janeway became boring. One of the the most puzzling shows of Voyager is an ep where Janeway takes a personal interest in several crew members who simply aren't fitting in on the ship. They all just do what's needed to get by, but after six or seven years, they're just little known misfits. The show was shocking to me because after that long on a small ship with a crew of around 150, how the hell can the Captain not know everyone intimately? How the hell can all those missions and duties only go to that small co re of people Janeway seems to have hung out with? I thought the writing and the premise was awful, and then seeing how much time was wasted on Janeway developing Seven, it made me even more irritated that she's somehow avoided her duty to take an interest in people who'd been on Voyager since day one. -- Original message -- From: Meta hett...@yahoo.com --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, keithbjohn...@... wrote: That's an interesting point: just how big is the female following among Trek? And how does its appeal among women compare with other scifi giants like Babylon 5, Star Wars, Farscape? Trek has always had an extremely strong female following. Had it not been for females the whole franchise might have never rearose. Females started the very first drive to bring Trek back when it was in danger of being canceled after season two of TOS as well as keeping the drive going for making the move to film. We also had a strong hand in starting the original fan cons. I agree that the women of Trek weren't very well utilized in the main. I read character sketches on TNG, for example, revealing that Deanna Troi was originally characterized as having a genius level IQ. The only hint of that we saw was one ep where she beat Data playing 3D chess, and even that might be more her ability to think outside his logical box. I didn't start liking Deanna until she started dressing in uniform and I really became a fan after she played the undercover Romulan. Beverly Crusher was a fav of mine, but she was woefully underused. She was a fav of mine as well and they really had not a clue what to do with her,
Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies
Things really hit rock bottom in the film Star Trek: Insurrection, when Troi asked Crusher if her boobs were getting firmer. I liked the possible future timeline when Crusher was shown to be a ship's captain in her own right. -- Original message -- From: Dax nx_31...@yahoo.com For me I thought that Dr. Crusher would become a stronger character when she was in command of the Enterprise. However that fell through. Then it became to me that in every movie her role became less and less. Meaning what was the point in having her in the movies at all. But I have to agree with Mr. Baxter, Jadzia was the best female character out of the whole series. --Lavender If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate. From: Tracey de Morsella Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to hell with the way they handled Sevenâs overbearing story on the show. Sigh⦠.. I know. Sex sells From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Date : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 - From : Meta hett...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella wrote: I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. Too bad they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much unexplored potential Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a female following they have. Meta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds ---BeginMessage--- For me I thought that Dr. Crusher would become a stronger character when she was in command of the Enterprise. However that fell through. Then it became to me that in every movie her role became less and less. Meaning what was the point in having her in the movies at all. But I have to agree with Mr. Baxter, Jadzia was the best female character out of the whole series. --Lavender If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate. From: Tracey de Morsella Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 6:45 PM To: scifino...@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies Me too. I thought they took a few steps forward with Janeway, but blew it to hell with the way they handled Seven’s overbearing story on the show. Sigh….. I know. Sex sells From: scifino...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin BaxterSent: Friday, January 02, 2009 1:41 PMTo: scifino...@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, dies IMO, Jadzia Dax was in the ballpark. -[ Received Mail Content ]--Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Majel Roddenberry, wife of 'Trek' creator, diesDate : Fri, 02 Jan 2009 17:47:33 -From : "Meta" hett...@yahoo.comTo : scifino...@yahoogroups.com--- In scifino...@yahoogroups.com, "Tracey de Morsella" wrote: I liked her when she did a serious episode with Odo on DS9 and on Next Gen with the guy she fell in love with whose society euthanized elders. Too bad they always used her for comic relief. That character had so much unexplored potential Most of the women of Trek had unexplored potential but it seemed for the most part that unless they could be paired with a male any of their other potential was left to the imagination. Trek does not do women well. Its either ultra butch or ultra fem, with very few glimpses of anything in between. They always forget just how strong a female following they have. Meta http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds ---End Message---
Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA
Yeah, Wil Wheaton said he had some spoken lines in Nemesis, but they were cut. I thought it was odd too: how did they reach him in whatever spacetime he was exploring to say Come to a wedding? Do you remember the DS9 ep when Worf gets caught up in time travel? It had something to do with his son Alexander speaking of a future in which Worf is assassinated, I believe. Doesn't the adult Alexander come back in time to warn Worf? Whatever, remember there as a comment about Alexander meeting a man in a bar or something, who said he wanted to help by initiating the time travel. They never did explain *who* that man was or why he cared. I always assumed it had to be an adult Wesley Crusher, fully in charge of his spacetime abilities. But now I wonder if it was Sisko, seeing as his Prophet inheritance gives him spacetime powers as well... -- Original message -- From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com i totally agree with the assessment of young mr. crusher. genius he may be, but even being a genius has 2 give away sometimes with experience and training. the ep where he got his field promotion 2 ensign? riker and troi's mom (the late great majel) are kidnapped by the ferengi and it is wesley who recognizes the pattern in the static. good ep in that it was kool seeing wes come on the bridge in his uniform, but it was time 2 write him off the show. he was doing too much. i also noticed in STTNG: Nemesis that he did not have a speaking role, and he was in his dress whites. guess he got tired of 'traveling'? Dr. Fate --- On Sat, 1/3/09, keithbjohn...@comcast.net keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 2:19 AM Welcome! I'm really happy to see another Trek fan possibly as rabid as me. (We'll forgo the Trekkie vs. Trekker discussion for a bit!) I agree with you about Wesley Crusher. After a while it got silly. Remember the ep when Geordi is stranded on a plane with a Romulan, and they can't be reached because the magnetic field of the planet is so intense? Back on the Enterprise, the senior staff is sitting around saying How can we reach Geordi? and at a loss. Suddenly, Wesley gets the bright idea to send down a beacon emitting a neutrino beam.Late, when the beacon materializes on the planet, Geordi's first words are Thank you, Wesley Crusher! Even my wife--a casual Trek fan--commented, Man, that's sad. Geordi didn't even think of anyone else but Wesley as being behind that solution! -- Original message - - From: Dax nx_31...@yahoo. com Hello, I do hope that you are doing well and the rest of the group. I mean the thing to me about TNG was that I felt that Wesley was solving too many things on the ship and made me think that the senior staff was really dumb. I am sure somewhere in Star Fleet Command they were thinking the same thing. I thought that however the first Hulk was not good due to the fact that gave too much back info which made the flow of the movie slow. I think if that did not do that it would have been a great movie. In all rights I understand why they did but for die hard fans we know the hulk. We know not to make him angry! --Lavender If you don't like vanilla, try some chocolate. - - - - -- From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:35 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA Hey Dax: Thanks for taking a leap and sending us your introduction. There are about 10 additional members who recently joined who I hope will follow your lead and submit their profiles as well. (HINT, HINT to those of you who have joined over the past few months. There are a lot of Dax and Sisko fans here on the list, myself included so you should feel right at home. The young nerd character irks me too, but now a new character is starting to irk me. The goth chick. Usually she is a geek hybrid. I liked the first Hulk more than most, but I did not love it. Please share with us why the first Hulk is your favorite Welcome to the group!!! Tracey -Original Message- From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 11:20 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: Intro Lavender, Milledgeville, GA 1. Name: Wil Lavender 2. Location:
Re: [scifinoir2] Top Ten Worst Movies of 2008
Yeah, and *that* is why I've been going oh no! ever since I heard M. Knight is doing The Last Airbender live-action movie. Apart from the fact that live-action versions of cartoons often fail to excite, apart from Knight's woeful recasting the characters from Asian-influenced to Caucasian, his recent track record is just plain worrisome. -- Original message -- From: gwashin...@aol.com The Happening is my idea example of a great idea that got butched big-time in it's excution. IMO the basic idea nature/earth gets fed up with humanity f-ing it over nature so it decides to do the same back was/is great (and someday a talented creator may actually do a great movie using it). And the movies first script (when it was called something else) was damn good taunt Crition-like (before he went on the RW wagon) intellegent bio-thriller that kicked butt. But once M. Night got on the project that script was trashed and everything went down hill from their. Sad. -GTW ** Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0024) ---BeginMessage--- The Happening is my idea example of a great idea that got butched big-time in it's excution. IMO the basic idea nature/earth gets fed up with humanity f-ing it over nature so it decides to do the same back was/is great (and someday a talented creator may actually do a great movie using it). And the movies first script (when it was called something else) was damn good taunt Crition-like (before he went on the RW wagon) intellegent bio-thriller that kicked butt. But once M. Night got on the project that script was trashed and everything went down hill from their. Sad. -GTW**Stay up-to-date on the latest news - from fashion trends to celebrity break-ups and everything in between. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0024) ---End Message---
