Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[George Arterberry]

Shatner is such a carcature at this juncture he may have a caemo selling 
Pricel;ine hotels on Mars Colony in the new Trek movie.




From: Justin Mohareb 
To: "scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com" 
Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 8:38:15 PM
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

  
Bosco, I believe I am in live with you. 

Justin 

On 2009-10-22, at 8:27 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:


  
>Shitner Abrams trek debate Insert Yawn Here. Who cares? Abrams made the 
>best Trek Movie ever without the egomaniac crybaby. He'll probably make 
>another really good one with or without anyone's blessing or approval or 
>senior citizen pointless cameo. I think he should go to the biggest Trek 
>Convention in the world and take a dump on a table and walk out. That movie 
>was the bomb. Anyone who doesn't get that can't keep on keepin on with their 
>OS DVD's and reruns. I'll be their opening night havin enough fun for all of em
>
>Bosco
>
>--- On Thu, 10/22/09, brent wodehouse  wrote:
>
>
>>From: brent wodehouse 
>>Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up
>>To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>>Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 1:09 PM
>>
>>
>>  
>>http://www.stuff. co.nz/entertainm ent/film/ 2986590/William- Shatner-set- 
>>to-be-beamed- up
>>
>>William Shatner set to be beamed up
>>
>>Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009
>>
>>Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the
>>Star Trek sequel.
>>
>>Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not
>>to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise,
>>in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series.
>>
>>Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy.
>>
>>Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost
>>US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel
>>set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be
>>offered a role.
>>
>>"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a
>>press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD.
>>
>>"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned."
>>
>>Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the
>>early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk),
>>Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the lead
>>roles.
>>
>>While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to find
>>a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role.
>>
>>The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of the
>>extra features on the Star Trek DVD.
>>
>>"It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams
>>explained.
>>
>>"The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek films and
>>because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek canon
>>as best we could ... the required machinations to get Shatner into the
>>movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we wanted to
>>tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy with.
>>
>>"It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order to get
>>Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been distracting. "
>>
>>The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg and
>>other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to introduce
>>Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said.
>>
>>"In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything," Abrams added.
>>
>>"I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that needed to
>>be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe there's less
>>of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him
>>(Shatner)."
>>
>>The Star Trek DVD, set for release in Australia on October 29, is filled
>>with extras, including gag reels, three hours of bonus footage,
>>commentary, secrets behind the costumes and sets and deleted scenes that
>>reveal a side story involving Eric Bana's villainous character Nero.
>>
>>The DVD also includes what is billed as "ground-breaking augmented reality
>>technology" which, through a webcam, allows a 3D holographic tour of the
>>Enterprise.
>>
>>Abrams said the decision to hold the world premiere for Star Trek at the
>>Sydney Opera House in April was the perfect launch pad for the movie.
>>
>>"I have been to Sydney before and I loved it the first time," Abrams told
>>AAP in a video interview.
>>
>>"This last time it was so surreal. First of all I had never been to the
>>Opera House which could not have been more beautiful.
>>
>>"The reception was off the charts. The people were so kind. It was
>>beautiful, maybe not atypical Sydney weather, but I called my wife and
>>said 'We might have to move here'.
>>
>>"I am serious. I want to go back not just for professional reasons. I just
>>want to go back because it is fantastic."
>>
>> 
>

Re: [scifinoir2] Hulu May Charge By 2010, Twitter Goes Berserk

[Mr. Worf]

That means that the viascum deal is going through. The management probably
demanded that they increase the profitability before the deal goes through
of all of their divisions.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Tracey de Morsella <
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote:

>
>
>  Chase Carey, News Corp.'s deputy chairman, announced at the B&C OnScreen
> summit that although there's no formal timeline for 
> Hulu.comto begin charging for content, he supposes that 
> it would be around 2010.
>
> Hulu.com is currently a free service that allows users to stream hit TV
> shows, videos, and movies.
>
> "It's time to start getting paid for broadcast content online," Carey said.
>
>
> "I think a free model is a very difficult way to capture the value of our
> content. I think what we need to do is deliver that content to consumers in
> a way where they will appreciate the value," Carey said (via the Broadcasting
> & 
> Cableblog.
>  "Hulu concurs with that, it needs to evolve to have a meaningful
> subscription model as part of its business."
>
>
> According to the Broadcasting & 
> Cableblog,
>
> Carey, who says he's only been to one Hulu board meeting since arriving at
> News Corp., suggests there is still no timeline but supposes it's at least
> in 2010. Carey says that while throwing up a pay-wall around all content is
> not the answer, it doesn't mean there wont be fees for some
> specially-created content and TV previews. Windows are just around the
> corner. American Idol audition previews anyone? Mobile Hulu is another
> potential way of making money.
>
> Twitter  users reacted strongly to the news,
> expressing outrage, anger, and condemnation for the idea. Follow the Twitter
> feed below for real-time reactions.
>
> A few comments from Twitter:
>
> kristenangel: Hulu will be the next Megavideo. Don't companies get it? We
> don't pay for media anymore. If we appreciate the song/movie, we'll buy it!
>
> reidcifrino: WTF @hulu?! THIS IS RIDICULOUS. Officially boycotting them as
> of now. GRRR!
>
> reddit_feed: The good times are over. Hulu to start charging for broadcast
> content in 2010.: submitted by drhatt to entertai..
>
>
>
> Read more at:
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/22/chase-carey-says-hulu-may_n_330824.html
> sci
>
>
>
> Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer
>
> The Green Economy Post
>
> http://greeneconomypost.com
>
> tra...@greeneconomypost.com
>
>
>
>
> 




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[scifinoir2] Hulu May Charge By 2010, Twitter Goes Berserk

[Tracey de Morsella]

Chase Carey, News Corp.'s deputy chairman, announced at the B&C OnScreen
summit that although there's no formal timeline for Hulu.com
  to begin charging for content, he supposes that it
would be around 2010.

Hulu.com is currently a free service that allows users to stream hit TV
shows, videos, and movies.

"It's time to start getting paid for broadcast content online," Carey said. 

"I think a free model is a very difficult way to capture the value of our
content. I think what we need to do is deliver that content to consumers in
a way where they will appreciate the value," Carey said (via the
Broadcasting

& Cable blog. "Hulu concurs with that, it needs to evolve to have a
meaningful subscription model as part of its business."


According to the Broadcasting

& Cable blog,

Carey, who says he's only been to one Hulu board meeting since arriving at
News Corp., suggests there is still no timeline but supposes it's at least
in 2010. Carey says that while throwing up a pay-wall around all content is
not the answer, it doesn't mean there wont be fees for some
specially-created content and TV previews. Windows are just around the
corner. American Idol audition previews anyone? Mobile Hulu is another
potential way of making money.

Twitter   users reacted strongly to the news,
expressing outrage, anger, and condemnation for the idea. Follow the Twitter
feed below for real-time reactions. 

A few comments from Twitter:

kristenangel: Hulu will be the next Megavideo. Don't companies get it? We
don't pay for media anymore. If we appreciate the song/movie, we'll buy it! 

reidcifrino: WTF @hulu?! THIS IS RIDICULOUS. Officially boycotting them as
of now. GRRR!

reddit_feed: The good times are over. Hulu to start charging for broadcast
content in 2010.: submitted by drhatt to entertai..



Read more at:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/10/22/chase-carey-says-hulu-may_n_330824.
htmlsci

 

Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer

The Green Economy Post

http://greeneconomypost.com

tra...@greeneconomypost.com

 

RE: [scifinoir2] Insurance Companies: Rape is a preexisting condition

[Tracey de Morsella]

The medicare for everybody is working . They are seriously going for it in
congress.  

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:18 PM
To: SciFiNoir2
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Insurance Companies: Rape is a preexisting
condition

 



Mr Worf, Keith Olbermann has been saying this for -- well, since the day the
entire mess began, even before his stake n the health-care debacle became
personal (his father being in and out of the hospital due to advanced kidney
disease). If you get MSNBC, take in "Countdown:, and revel in his quiet,
eloquent rage. You'll love the man as much as I do.

Two weeks ago yesterday, he gave an hour-long Special Comment on the state
of health care, calling it "The Fight Against Death". If I can find the
video, I'll post it here. In it, he called for renaming the public option
"Medicare for Everybody", so as to sell it easier to the Clearly Stupid who
can't get their heads around the definition of "public option". Yesterday, a
Democratic congressman did just that, and went onto his show to thank him
for the inspiration.

As for the actual topic of this post, I can't comment into it, as I have far
too many dear women in my life who have been victims of rape. They've all
see n this already, and their reactions usually verge into the poetically
obscene.

Pretty much where I'd go as well...

 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:02:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Insurance Companies: Rape is a preexisting
condition

  

We see outrageous stories from insurance companies regularly now, and yet no
one has actually said, "ENOUGH!!! THIS IS BULL AND WE MUST REIGN THEM IN!!!"


My question is why hasn't anyone in the media said that??



On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

http://eseiro.notlong.com

A Florida woman, who is a victim of sexual abuse, claims that rape was
called a "pre-existing condition" by several health insurance companies,
which would have disqualified her for care.

In 2002, Chris Turner, a health insurance agent from Tampa, Florida, was
drugged and raped during a business trip. When she conferred with a doctor
after her assault, Turner was prescribed preventative anti-HIV drugs, and
she later entered counseling to help deal with the residual psychological
effects of her rape.

A few months later, when Turner was forced to buy new insurance on the
individual market, she suspected, based on her knowledge of the approval
process, that she may no longer qualify for coverage. She called a series of
insurance underwriters and asked them about a hypothetical client who had
been raped, and every insurer she called had the same response: "Nope, we
won't take her." Turner's treatment for her rape, it turns out, constituted
a pre-existing condition that the companies said would disqualify her from
coverage.





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Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Bosco Bosco]

I was hoping you were in line with me. That way I'll be in good company for the 
premier of the next movie

B

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Justin Mohareb  wrote:

From: Justin Mohareb 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up
To: 
Cc: "scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com" 
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 7:45 PM






 





  Feh. That was supposed to be love. 
Justin

On 2009-10-22, at 8:38 PM, Justin Mohareb  wrote:

Bosco, I believe I am in live with you. 
Justin 

On 2009-10-22, at 8:27 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:





 


  Shitner Abrams trek debate Insert Yawn Here. Who cares? 
Abrams made the best Trek Movie ever without the egomaniac crybaby. He'll 
probably make another really good one with or without anyone's blessing or 
approval or senior citizen pointless cameo. I think he should go to the biggest 
Trek Convention in the world and take a dump on a table and walk out. That 
movie was the bomb. Anyone who doesn't get that can't keep on keepin on with 
their OS DVD's and reruns. I'll be their opening night havin enough fun for all 
of em
 
Bosco

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, brent wodehouse  wrote:


From: brent wodehouse 
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 1:09 PM


  

http://www.stuff. co.nz/entertainm ent/film/ 2986590/William- Shatner-set- 
to-be-beamed- up

William Shatner set to be beamed up

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the
Star Trek sequel.

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise,
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series.

Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy.

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel
set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be
offered a role.

"I would love
 to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a
press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD.

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned."

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the
early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk),
Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the lead
roles.

While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to find
a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role.

The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of the
extra features on the Star Trek DVD.

"It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams
explained.

"The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek films and
because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek canon
as best we could ...
 the required machinations to get Shatner into the
movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we wanted to
tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy with.

"It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order to get
Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been distracting. "

The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg and
other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to introduce
Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said.

"In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything," Abrams added.

"I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that needed to
be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe there's less
of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him
(Shatner)."

The Star Trek DVD, set for release in Australia on October 29, is filled
with
 extras, including gag reels, three hours of bonus footage,
commentary, secrets behind the costumes and sets and deleted scenes that
reveal a side story involving Eric Bana's villainous character Nero.

The DVD also includes what is billed as "ground-breaking augmented reality
technology" which, through a webcam, allows a 3D holographic tour of the
Enterprise.

Abrams said the decision to hold the world premiere for Star Trek at the
Sydney Opera House in April was the perfect launch pad for the movie.

"I have been to Sydney before and I loved it the first time," Abrams told
AAP in a video interview.

"This last time it was so surreal. First of all I had never been to the
Opera House which could not have been more beautiful.

"The reception was off the charts. The people were so kind. It was
beautiful, maybe not atypical Sydney weather, but I called my wife and
said 'We might have to move
 here'.

"I am serious. I want to go back not just for professional reasons. I just
want to go back because it is fantastic."




  
 

  




   

[scifinoir2] Fwd: Kanye and Spike Jonez movie

[Mr. Worf]

This is a short movie starring Kanye and was directed by Spike Jonez

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xauwak_we-were-one-a-fairytale-by-spike-jo_shortfilms?from=feedblitz_523284_2748644

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RE: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Tracey de Morsella]

Every few weeks, he would make an announcement, go on a talk show, speak about 
it at the conventions, post a video, do an interview.  I lost track and started 
avoiding the stories, whenever I would see another headline.  I even stopped  
posting news about it because in my opinion it was becoming non-news.

 

 When he first campaigned for it, they said they were working to put him in it, 
by the time he went viral on you tube, it was over.  After his second public 
display, I was kind of hoping he would not get in it.  There were at least 12 
incidents.  I did not track them, so I assume there were more.   As I said, I 
started tuning him out. 

 

Producers seem to like to be in charge of their own movies as much as possible. 
 As far back as I can remember, overt public campaigning for parts is 
considered taboo. Who wants the public deciding your cast? It rarely works and 
most often scares other producers away from the person willing to stoop to 
going public.  Private campaigning using people in powers in Hollywood, does 
work as far as I can tell.  A good example is Johnny Depp in The Pirates in the 
Carribean.  That all took place behind the scenes and most of the public did 
not know about it.

 

Shatner thought fan loyalty would put him above the rules, and based on your 
willingness to minimize his decision to undermine the producers, I would say he 
was right to a degree, but not enough.  I like Shatner as Kirk and in Boston 
Public, but he seems to have a history of being an asshole.  Whether I agree 
with Abram’s decisions to drop the canon or not is irrelevant.  Had Abrams 
given in to Shatner, he would have been his b...@ch.   I’m Glad Shatner did not 
get in the movie, after all the stuff he did.  I think after they decided to 
keep him out and it was too late, he continued to campaign.  I think he was 
trying to tank the film.

 

Why would anyone in their right mine opt for that?  The box office, even with 
the loss of some hard core fans, says Abrams made the right decision, not to 
spend a year in that position being miserable with Shatner in charge.

 

No brainer as far as I can see.  Now, we get a humbled Shatner, who will follow 
the rules and be an actor.  As we have seen in the past, he is a horrible 
producer/director.  He almost ruined the franchise with that movie.

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:42 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

 






Wow, was it that bad? I only caught the peripheral news about it. It may be 
that I was so steamed at Abrams' dropping Shatner, steamed at Shatner for 
allowing them to kill him off in the movie and give Abrams and excuse, and 
steamed at Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman for changing canon that I didn't notice 
Shatner's rants.
What was the worst he did? Post on the web? Badmouth Abrams on talk shows?

- Original Message -
From: "Tracey de Morsella" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:15:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

  

I agree, but the open in public temper tantrum, would have changed the equation 
for a lot of directors.  Even ones not determined to turn Star Gate into Star 
Wars.  

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:26 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

 





Agreed, and that's been my point. The Trek Abrams crafted has a wide appeal. 
But so did "Transformers 2", whcih many say was mediocre at best. It brought in 
lots of Trek fans, lots of scifi fans, lots of Star Wars fans. But I'm not sure 
it captured that elusive magic that was Trek lo these many years.

They could have pleased everyone by keeping the same timeline, and the writers' 
assertions that there's no suspense, because then you'd know no one was going 
to die isn't supportable. Are they really going to kill off one of the bridge 
crew or McCoy? Riiight. Piss off fans, women, blacks, or Asians by killing 
Uhura or Sulu? Doubtful. and even if they did, we'd then say "this bites, let's 
go back to the original timeline where they all lived to old age". Bad move all 
around. I still feel this was more about Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman wanting to 
improve what they saw was a flawed franchise rather than having no other way to 
tell a fresh story in the OS time. 

 

As for Kirk's return, you mean the Nexus? Absolutely. I'm still surprised no 
one has done that. The Nexus moved people through time, it made wishes come 
true, it created a sentient "echo" of Guinan. It was full of enough energy to 
destroy a planet. All they had to say was that the chronaton particle that are 
an essential makeup of the Nexus, mixed with other energies it contains, 
infused Ki

Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Justin Mohareb]

Feh. That was supposed to be love.

Justin

On 2009-10-22, at 8:38 PM, Justin Mohareb   
wrote:



Bosco, I believe I am in live with you.

Justin

On 2009-10-22, at 8:27 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

Shitner Abrams trek debate Insert Yawn Here. Who cares? Abrams  
made the best Trek Movie ever without the egomaniac crybaby. He'll  
probably make another really good one with or without anyone's  
blessing or approval or senior citizen pointless cameo. I think he  
should go to the biggest Trek Convention in the world and take a  
dump on a table and walk out. That movie was the bomb. Anyone who  
doesn't get that can't keep on keepin on with their OS DVD's and  
reruns. I'll be their opening night havin enough fun for all of em


Bosco

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, brent wodehouse   
wrote:


From: brent wodehouse 
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 1:09 PM


http://www.stuff. co.nz/entertainm ent/film/ 2986590/William-  
Shatner-set- to-be-beamed- up


William Shatner set to be beamed up

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up  
to the

Star Trek sequel.

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he  
opted not
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS  
Enterprise,
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV  
series.


Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy.

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning  
almost
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a  
sequel

set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be
offered a role.

"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los  
Angeles at a

press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD.

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned."

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to  
the
early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine  
(Kirk),
Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling  
the lead

roles.

While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed  
to find
a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a  
role.


The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of  
the

extra features on the Star Trek DVD.

"It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams
explained.

"The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek  
films and
because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek  
canon
as best we could ... the required machinations to get Shatner into  
the
movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we  
wanted to
tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy  
with.


"It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order  
to get
Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been  
distracting. "


The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg  
and
other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to  
introduce

Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said.

"In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything," Abrams added.

"I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that  
needed to
be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe  
there's less

of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him
(Shatner)."

The Star Trek DVD, set for release in Australia on October 29, is  
filled

with extras, including gag reels, three hours of bonus footage,
commentary, secrets behind the costumes and sets and deleted scenes  
that

reveal a side story involving Eric Bana's villainous character Nero.

The DVD also includes what is billed as "ground-breaking augmented  
reality
technology" which, through a webcam, allows a 3D holographic tour  
of the

Enterprise.

Abrams said the decision to hold the world premiere for Star Trek  
at the

Sydney Opera House in April was the perfect launch pad for the movie.

"I have been to Sydney before and I loved it the first time,"  
Abrams told

AAP in a video interview.

"This last time it was so surreal. First of all I had never been to  
the

Opera House which could not have been more beautiful.

"The reception was off the charts. The people were so kind. It was
beautiful, maybe not atypical Sydney weather, but I called my wife  
and

said 'We might have to move here'.

"I am serious. I want to go back not just for professional reasons.  
I just

want to go back because it is fantastic."

Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Keith Johnson]

Wow, was it that bad? I only caught the peripheral news about it. It may be 
that I was so steamed at Abrams' dropping Shatner, steamed at Shatner for 
allowing them to kill him off in the movie and give Abrams and excuse, and 
steamed at Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman for changing canon that I didn't notice 
Shatner's rants. 
What was the worst he did? Post on the web? Badmouth Abrams on talk shows? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 7:15:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 









I agree, but the open in public temper tantrum, would have changed the equation 
for a lot of directors. Even ones not determined to turn Star Gate into Star 
Wars. 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:26 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 









Agreed, and that's been my point. The Trek Abrams crafted has a wide appeal. 
But so did "Transformers 2", whcih many say was mediocre at best. It brought in 
lots of Trek fans, lots of scifi fans, lots of Star Wars fans. But I'm not sure 
it captured that elusive magic that was Trek lo these many years. 

They could have pleased everyone by keeping the same timeline, and the writers' 
assertions that there's no suspense, because then you'd know no one was going 
to die isn't supportable. Are they really going to kill off one of the bridge 
crew or McCoy? Riiight. Piss off fans, women, blacks, or Asians by killing 
Uhura or Sulu? Doubtful. and even if they did, we'd then say "this bites, let's 
go back to the original timeline where they all lived to old age". Bad move all 
around. I still feel this was more about Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman wanting to 
improve what they saw was a flawed franchise rather than having no other way to 
tell a fresh story in the OS time. 



As for Kirk's return, you mean the Nexus? Absolutely. I'm still surprised no 
one has done that. The Nexus moved people through time, it made wishes come 
true, it created a sentient "echo" of Guinan. It was full of enough energy to 
destroy a planet. All they had to say was that the chronaton particle that are 
an essential makeup of the Nexus, mixed with other energies it contains, 
infused Kirk's body to both heal his injuries, and in a way rollback time so 
that he was resurrected. Hell, if the Genesis Wave could revive Spock, the 
Nexus should have done it to Kirk! 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:38:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 






I don't think that the audience that went to see the movie was trek fans but a 
mixture. Some of the hardcore people didn't go see the movie. Others hated what 
they did to the timeline. 

One way that they could write Kirk back in is by using the vortex thing that he 
fell into. 


On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Tracey de Morsella < 
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > wrote: 





I like Shatner, but trying to force someone or embarrass them into doing 
something you want is not a good move, particularly when you have a reputation 
for needing to dominate on the set. Trying the turn the public against the 
producers is not a great way to get hired. 



It may have been a bad move, but the ticket sales tell a different story. I 
wanted him in, but after he did that, I felt if I were the producers, there 
would be no way I’d want him in the picture after that. I would view him as 
unable to control or stay on message when doing publicity. I bet they planned 
to put him in the sequel to humble him a little after the stunts he pulled 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 










I'll be succinct. 



One. It was a mistake not to include Shatner in a Trek movie. Unlike many who 
either don't like him, or see him as not essential to Treklore, I like Shatner 
fine. Star Trek was more about Shatner, I'd argue, in terms of the human quest 
for knowledge and enlightenment, than Spock, despite Spock's popularity. 
Really, they need each other, so to have one without the other? Bad move. 



Two. I wonder how they'll bring in Shatner in this new timeline? Makes me 
frustrated again at the whole alternate reality angle, which I fear I shall 
never fully embrace. 


- Original Message - 
From: "brent wodehouse" < brent_wodeho...@thefence.us > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 








http://

Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Justin Mohareb]

Bosco, I believe I am in live with you.

Justin

On 2009-10-22, at 8:27 PM, Bosco Bosco  wrote:

Shitner Abrams trek debate Insert Yawn Here. Who cares? Abrams  
made the best Trek Movie ever without the egomaniac crybaby. He'll  
probably make another really good one with or without anyone's  
blessing or approval or senior citizen pointless cameo. I think he  
should go to the biggest Trek Convention in the world and take a  
dump on a table and walk out. That movie was the bomb. Anyone who  
doesn't get that can't keep on keepin on with their OS DVD's and  
reruns. I'll be their opening night havin enough fun for all of em


Bosco

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, brent wodehouse   
wrote:


From: brent wodehouse 
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 1:09 PM


http://www.stuff. co.nz/entertainm ent/film/ 2986590/William-  
Shatner-set- to-be-beamed- up


William Shatner set to be beamed up

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up  
to the

Star Trek sequel.

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he  
opted not
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS  
Enterprise,
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV  
series.


Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy.

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a  
sequel

set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be
offered a role.

"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los  
Angeles at a

press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD.

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned."

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to  
the

early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk),
Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the  
lead

roles.

While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to  
find

a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role.

The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of  
the

extra features on the Star Trek DVD.

"It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams
explained.

"The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek  
films and
because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek  
canon

as best we could ... the required machinations to get Shatner into the
movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we wanted  
to
tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy  
with.


"It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order  
to get
Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been  
distracting. "


The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg  
and
other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to  
introduce

Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said.

"In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything," Abrams added.

"I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that  
needed to
be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe there's  
less

of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him
(Shatner)."

The Star Trek DVD, set for release in Australia on October 29, is  
filled

with extras, including gag reels, three hours of bonus footage,
commentary, secrets behind the costumes and sets and deleted scenes  
that

reveal a side story involving Eric Bana's villainous character Nero.

The DVD also includes what is billed as "ground-breaking augmented  
reality
technology" which, through a webcam, allows a 3D holographic tour of  
the

Enterprise.

Abrams said the decision to hold the world premiere for Star Trek at  
the

Sydney Opera House in April was the perfect launch pad for the movie.

"I have been to Sydney before and I loved it the first time," Abrams  
told

AAP in a video interview.

"This last time it was so surreal. First of all I had never been to  
the

Opera House which could not have been more beautiful.

"The reception was off the charts. The people were so kind. It was
beautiful, maybe not atypical Sydney weather, but I called my wife and
said 'We might have to move here'.

"I am serious. I want to go back not just for professional reasons.  
I just

want to go back because it is fantastic."

Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Keith Johnson]

I wonder if Star Trek is truly "back" in the old sense? Having movies do well 
during seasons when fans will pay to see any good scifi--or not good, is one 
thing. After all, Wolverine X-Men Origins was crap and it made major bank. 
But Star Trek's appeal is more than box office--which was never its strength 
anyway. It was the series, the books, the fans, the scientists who worked on 
it, loved it, and were inspired by it. It is a cultural phenomenon that lasted 
long past the lights coming up in a theatre, and its influence predates Star 
Wars by a decade. 
So while I'm encouraged the movie did well, I don't know how many of the 
audience were true fans of Trek, how many were new fans of Trek and how many 
are just movie goers. The money generated by the film can't be denied, and that 
power would give impetus to another series. But, if that series is a more Star 
Wars flavored thing designed to appeal to the mainstream, I both wonder if it 
will build a new enduring fan base and engage the old fan base as well. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:50:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 









I agree about the fan demographics. More hardcores would have supported it. I 
liked it but did not love it because of how they played fast and loose with the 
canon.. However, the power plays he made were ridiculous. You idea for bringing 
him back were good ones 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:38 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 





I don't think that the audience that went to see the movie was trek fans but a 
mixture. Some of the hardcore people didn't go see the movie. Others hated what 
they did to the timeline. 

One way that they could write Kirk back in is by using the vortex thing that he 
fell into. 


On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Tracey de Morsella < 
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > wrote: 





I like Shatner, but trying to force someone or embarrass them into doing 
something you want is not a good move, particularly when you have a reputation 
for needing to dominate on the set. Trying the turn the public against the 
producers is not a great way to get hired. 



It may have been a bad move, but the ticket sales tell a different story. I 
wanted him in, but after he did that, I felt if I were the producers, there 
would be no way I’d want him in the picture after that. I would view him as 
unable to control or stay on message when doing publicity. I bet they planned 
to put him in the sequel to humble him a little after the stunts he pulled 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 










I'll be succinct. 



One. It was a mistake not to include Shatner in a Trek movie. Unlike many who 
either don't like him, or see him as not essential to Treklore, I like Shatner 
fine. Star Trek was more about Shatner, I'd argue, in terms of the human quest 
for knowledge and enlightenment, than Spock, despite Spock's popularity. 
Really, they need each other, so to have one without the other? Bad move. 



Two. I wonder how they'll bring in Shatner in this new timeline? Makes me 
frustrated again at the whole alternate reality angle, which I fear I shall 
never fully embrace. 


- Original Message - 
From: "brent wodehouse" < brent_wodeho...@thefence.us > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 








http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2986590/William-Shatner-set-to-be-beamed-up
 

William Shatner set to be beamed up 

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009 

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the 
Star Trek sequel. 

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not 
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise, 
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series. 

Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy. 

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost 
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel 
set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be 
offered a role. 

"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a 
press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD. 

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned." 

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the 
early years of the Star Trek cre

Re: [scifinoir2] Charlize Theron Taking Mel Gibson's Place as Mad Max Star?

[Keith Johnson]

WTF??? 

I love Theron and think she's a tough actress, but don't get this remake 
concept. Is there nothing new under the Sun...? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 6:02:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Charlize Theron Taking Mel Gibson's Place as Mad Max 
Star? 






Keith, deep breathing... 

http://io9.com/5387945/is-charlize-theron-taking-mel-gibsons-place-as-mad-max-star
 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 




Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow! 

Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Bosco Bosco]

Shitner Abrams trek debate Insert Yawn Here. Who cares? Abrams made the 
best Trek Movie ever without the egomaniac crybaby. He'll probably make another 
really good one with or without anyone's blessing or approval or senior citizen 
pointless cameo. I think he should go to the biggest Trek Convention in the 
world and take a dump on a table and walk out. That movie was the bomb. Anyone 
who doesn't get that can't keep on keepin on with their OS DVD's and reruns. 
I'll be their opening night havin enough fun for all of em
 
Bosco

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, brent wodehouse  wrote:


From: brent wodehouse 
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 1:09 PM


  



http://www.stuff. co.nz/entertainm ent/film/ 2986590/William- Shatner-set- 
to-be-beamed- up

William Shatner set to be beamed up

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the
Star Trek sequel.

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise,
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series.

Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy.

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel
set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be
offered a role.

"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a
press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD.

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned."

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the
early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk),
Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the lead
roles.

While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to find
a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role.

The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of the
extra features on the Star Trek DVD.

"It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams
explained.

"The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek films and
because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek canon
as best we could ... the required machinations to get Shatner into the
movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we wanted to
tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy with.

"It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order to get
Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been distracting. "

The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg and
other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to introduce
Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said.

"In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything," Abrams added.

"I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that needed to
be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe there's less
of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him
(Shatner)."

The Star Trek DVD, set for release in Australia on October 29, is filled
with extras, including gag reels, three hours of bonus footage,
commentary, secrets behind the costumes and sets and deleted scenes that
reveal a side story involving Eric Bana's villainous character Nero.

The DVD also includes what is billed as "ground-breaking augmented reality
technology" which, through a webcam, allows a 3D holographic tour of the
Enterprise.

Abrams said the decision to hold the world premiere for Star Trek at the
Sydney Opera House in April was the perfect launch pad for the movie.

"I have been to Sydney before and I loved it the first time," Abrams told
AAP in a video interview.

"This last time it was so surreal. First of all I had never been to the
Opera House which could not have been more beautiful.

"The reception was off the charts. The people were so kind. It was
beautiful, maybe not atypical Sydney weather, but I called my wife and
said 'We might have to move here'.

"I am serious. I want to go back not just for professional reasons. I just
want to go back because it is fantastic."

















  

RE: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Tracey de Morsella]

I agree, but the open in public temper tantrum, would have changed the equation 
for a lot of directors.  Even ones not determined to turn Star Gate into Star 
Wars.  

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:26 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

 






Agreed, and that's been my point. The Trek Abrams crafted has a wide appeal. 
But so did "Transformers 2", whcih many say was mediocre at best. It brought in 
lots of Trek fans, lots of scifi fans, lots of Star Wars fans. But I'm not sure 
it captured that elusive magic that was Trek lo these many years.

They could have pleased everyone by keeping the same timeline, and the writers' 
assertions that there's no suspense, because then you'd know no one was going 
to die isn't supportable. Are they really going to kill off one of the bridge 
crew or McCoy? Riiight. Piss off fans, women, blacks, or Asians by killing 
Uhura or Sulu? Doubtful. and even if they did, we'd then say "this bites, let's 
go back to the original timeline where they all lived to old age". Bad move all 
around. I still feel this was more about Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman wanting to 
improve what they saw was a flawed franchise rather than having no other way to 
tell a fresh story in the OS time. 

 

As for Kirk's return, you mean the Nexus? Absolutely. I'm still surprised no 
one has done that. The Nexus moved people through time, it made wishes come 
true, it created a sentient "echo" of Guinan. It was full of enough energy to 
destroy a planet. All they had to say was that the chronaton particle that are 
an essential makeup of the Nexus, mixed with other energies it contains, 
infused Kirk's body to both heal his injuries, and in a way rollback time so 
that he was resurrected. Hell, if the Genesis Wave could revive Spock, the 
Nexus should have done it to Kirk!


- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:38:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

  

I don't think that the audience that went to see the movie was trek fans but a 
mixture. Some of the hardcore people didn't go see the movie. Others hated what 
they did to the timeline. 

One way that they could write Kirk back in is by using the vortex thing that he 
fell into. 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Tracey de Morsella 
 wrote:

 

I like Shatner, but trying to force someone or embarrass them into doing 
something you want is not a good move, particularly when you have a reputation 
for needing to dominate on the set.  Trying the turn the public against the 
producers is not a great way to get hired.  

 

It may have been a bad move, but the ticket sales tell a different story.I 
wanted him in, but after he did that, I felt if I were the producers, there 
would be no way I’d want him in the picture after that.  I would view him as 
unable to control or stay on message  when doing publicity.   I bet they 
planned to put him in the sequel to humble him a little after the stunts he 
pulled

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

 





I'll be succinct.

 

One. It was a mistake not to include Shatner in a Trek movie. Unlike many who 
either don't like him, or see him as not essential to Treklore, I like Shatner 
fine. Star Trek was more about Shatner, I'd argue, in terms of the human quest 
for knowledge and enlightenment, than Spock, despite Spock's popularity. 
Really, they need each other, so to have one without the other? Bad move.

 

Two. I wonder how they'll bring in Shatner in this new timeline? Makes me 
frustrated again at the whole alternate reality angle, which I fear I shall 
never fully embrace.


- Original Message -
From: "brent wodehouse" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

  

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2986590/William-Shatner-set-to-be-beamed-up

William Shatner set to be beamed up

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the
Star Trek sequel.

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise,
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series.

Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy.

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel
set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatne

RE: [scifinoir2] Alex Rider Dream Gadget Contest

[Tracey de Morsella]

I saw it a few months ago.  It was so so.  My daughter hated it.  I think
when she is 10 or more she will like it.  

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Martin Baxter
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 1:20 PM
To: SciFiNoir2
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Alex Rider Dream Gadget Contest

 



I have heard of this, having four godchildren who are British, but I've
never partaken of the series.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





  _  

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:56:46 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Alex Rider Dream Gadget Contest

  

I don't know Alex Rider from Adam Rider. Had to look it up:

Alex Rider is a series of spy novels by English author Anthony Horowitz
about a young spy named Alex Rider. The series is aimed primarily for
teenagers.Seven novels have been published to date, as well as three graphic
novels, two short stories and a supplementary book. The first novel,
Stormbreaker, was first released in the United Kingdom in 2000 and was
adapted into a motion picture in 2006. A line of action figures based on the
film actors have also been released, featuring two different Alex Rider
figures, Darrius Sayle, and Yassen Gregorovich.[1] A video game was released
in 2006, based on the film. The novels are published by Walker Books in the
United Kingdom. They were first published by Puffin in the United States,
but have also been published more recently by Philomel, also an imprint of
Penguin Books.[2] The graphic novels are published by Walker in the United
Kingdom, and by Philomel in the United States.

Anyhoo...

http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/21/make-magazine-spy-ga.html

http://makezine.com/alexridercontest/

MAKE is teaming up with the Penguin Group to present The Alex Rider Dream
Gadget Contest!

All of you adventure-seekers and gadget lovers out there are invited to join
in. If you were Alex Rider, what gadget would you want in the upcoming
adventure "Crocodile Tears"? Design your dream Alex Rider gadget, inspired
by an everyday object (i.e. an iPod, toothpaste, a pen). The winning gadget
will be built right here at the MAKE Labs. Send us a schematic of what your
gadget is made from and how it works. (Your schematic can be a diagram, a
drawing or an explanation by you). Remember that the winning gadget will be
inspired by an everyday object that one could realistically build (as much
as we wish we could create a pair of scissors that could fly us to the
moon)!



 

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RE: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Tracey de Morsella]

I agree about the fan demographics.  More hardcores would have supported it.  I 
liked it but did not love it because of how they played fast and loose with the 
canon..  However, the power plays he made were ridiculous.  You idea for 
bringing him back were good ones

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:38 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

 



I don't think that the audience that went to see the movie was trek fans but a 
mixture. Some of the hardcore people didn't go see the movie. Others hated what 
they did to the timeline. 

One way that they could write Kirk back in is by using the vortex thing that he 
fell into. 

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Tracey de Morsella 
 wrote:

 

I like Shatner, but trying to force someone or embarrass them into doing 
something you want is not a good move, particularly when you have a reputation 
for needing to dominate on the set.  Trying the turn the public against the 
producers is not a great way to get hired.  

 

It may have been a bad move, but the ticket sales tell a different story.I 
wanted him in, but after he did that, I felt if I were the producers, there 
would be no way I’d want him in the picture after that.  I would view him as 
unable to control or stay on message  when doing publicity.   I bet they 
planned to put him in the sequel to humble him a little after the stunts he 
pulled

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

 





I'll be succinct.

 

One. It was a mistake not to include Shatner in a Trek movie. Unlike many who 
either don't like him, or see him as not essential to Treklore, I like Shatner 
fine. Star Trek was more about Shatner, I'd argue, in terms of the human quest 
for knowledge and enlightenment, than Spock, despite Spock's popularity. 
Really, they need each other, so to have one without the other? Bad move.

 

Two. I wonder how they'll bring in Shatner in this new timeline? Makes me 
frustrated again at the whole alternate reality angle, which I fear I shall 
never fully embrace.


- Original Message -
From: "brent wodehouse" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

  

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2986590/William-Shatner-set-to-be-beamed-up

William Shatner set to be beamed up

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the
Star Trek sequel.

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise,
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series.

Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy.

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel
set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be
offered a role.

"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a
press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD.

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned."

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the
early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk),
Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the lead
roles.

While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to find
a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role.

The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of the
extra features on the Star Trek DVD.

"It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams
explained.

"The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek films and
because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek canon
as best we could ... the required machinations to get Shatner into the
movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we wanted to
tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy with.

"It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order to get
Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been distracting."

The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg and
other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to introduce
Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said.

"In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything," Abrams added.

"I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that needed to
be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe there's le

Re: [scifinoir2] o/t fake M$ update emails again

[Mr. Worf]

Wow that much better than my barbershop. They only do movies and music.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> No, it wouldn't, Mr Worf. Last week, if memory serves, we were discussing
> the phenomenon of buying slightly-illicit movies from the guy at the barber
> shop. My last time there, the guy also had computer software, including
> Photoshop for five bucks.
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:05:30 -0700
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] o/t fake M$ update emails again
>
>You'd be surprised how many fake email, and websites that people have
> created. Not to mention pirated versions of software that is being sold as
> legit.
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Martin Baxter  > wrote:
>
>
>
> Again, I spit on the grave of M$.
>
> As soon as I finish digging it...
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:15:18 -0700
> Subject: [scifinoir2] o/t fake M$ update emails again
>
>Its an oldie but a goodie. Someone started emailing a fake microsoft
> update with a virus attachment.
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4674&tag=nl.e550
> --
>
>
> --
> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn 
> more.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>
>
> --
> Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. 
> Wow!
>
> 
>



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

RE: [scifinoir2] o/t fake M$ update emails again

[Martin Baxter]

No, it wouldn't, Mr Worf. Last week, if memory serves, we were discussing the 
phenomenon of buying slightly-illicit movies from the guy at the barber shop. 
My last time there, the guy also had computer software, including Photoshop for 
five bucks.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 14:05:30 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] o/t fake M$ update emails again















 





  You'd be surprised how many fake email, and websites that 
people have created. Not to mention pirated versions of software that is being 
sold as legit. 


On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Martin Baxter  
wrote:


























Again, I spit on the grave of M$.

As soon as I finish digging it...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:15:18 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] o/t fake M$ update emails again















 





  Its an oldie but a goodie. Someone started emailing a fake 
microsoft update with a virus attachment. 
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4674&tag=nl.e550


-- 



 

  













  
Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more.




















-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/




 

  













  
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Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow!
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[scifinoir2] Charlize Theron Taking Mel Gibson's Place as Mad Max Star?

[Martin Baxter]

Keith, deep breathing... 

http://io9.com/5387945/is-charlize-theron-taking-mel-gibsons-place-as-mad-max-star

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik


  
_
Windows 7: I wanted more reliable, now it's more reliable. Wow!
http://microsoft.com/windows/windows-7/default-ga.aspx?h=myidea?ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:102009

Re: [scifinoir2] o/t fake M$ update emails again

[Mr. Worf]

You'd be surprised how many fake email, and websites that people have
created. Not to mention pirated versions of software that is being sold as
legit.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Martin Baxter
wrote:

>
>
> Again, I spit on the grave of M$.
>
> As soon as I finish digging it...
>
> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
>
>
>
>
> --
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:15:18 -0700
> Subject: [scifinoir2] o/t fake M$ update emails again
>
>Its an oldie but a goodie. Someone started emailing a fake microsoft
> update with a virus attachment.
>
> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4674&tag=nl.e550
> --
>
>
> --
> Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn 
> more.
>
> 
>



-- 
Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Keith Johnson]

Agreed, and that's been my point. The Trek Abrams crafted has a wide appeal. 
But so did "Transformers 2", whcih many say was mediocre at best. It brought in 
lots of Trek fans, lots of scifi fans, lots of Star Wars fans. But I'm not sure 
it captured that elusive magic that was Trek lo these many years. 

They could have pleased everyone by keeping the same timeline, and the writers' 
assertions that there's no suspense, because then you'd know no one was going 
to die isn't supportable. Are they really going to kill off one of the bridge 
crew or McCoy? Riiight. Piss off fans, women, blacks, or Asians by killing 
Uhura or Sulu? Doubtful. and even if they did, we'd then say "this bites, let's 
go back to the original timeline where they all lived to old age". Bad move all 
around. I still feel this was more about Abrams, Orci, and Kurtzman wanting to 
improve what they saw was a flawed franchise rather than having no other way to 
tell a fresh story in the OS time. 



As for Kirk's return, you mean the Nexus? Absolutely. I'm still surprised no 
one has done that. The Nexus moved people through time, it made wishes come 
true, it created a sentient "echo" of Guinan. It was full of enough energy to 
destroy a planet. All they had to say was that the chronaton particle that are 
an essential makeup of the Nexus, mixed with other energies it contains, 
infused Kirk's body to both heal his injuries, and in a way rollback time so 
that he was resurrected. Hell, if the Genesis Wave could revive Spock, the 
Nexus should have done it to Kirk! 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 3:38:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 

  




I don't think that the audience that went to see the movie was trek fans but a 
mixture. Some of the hardcore people didn't go see the movie. Others hated what 
they did to the timeline. 

One way that they could write Kirk back in is by using the vortex thing that he 
fell into. 


On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Tracey de Morsella < 
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com > wrote: 








I like Shatner, but trying to force someone or embarrass them into doing 
something you want is not a good move, particularly when you have a reputation 
for needing to dominate on the set.  Trying the turn the public against the 
producers is not a great way to get hired.  



It may have been a bad move, but the ticket sales tell a different story.    I 
wanted him in, but after he did that, I felt if I were the producers, there 
would be no way I’d want him in the picture after that.  I would view him as 
unable to control or stay on message  when doing publicity.   I bet they 
planned to put him in the sequel to humble him a little after the stunts he 
pulled 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 












I'll be succinct. 



One. It was a mistake not to include Shatner in a Trek movie. Unlike many who 
either don't like him, or see him as not essential to Treklore, I like Shatner 
fine. Star Trek was more about Shatner, I'd argue, in terms of the human quest 
for knowledge and enlightenment, than Spock, despite Spock's popularity. 
Really, they need each other, so to have one without the other? Bad move. 



Two. I wonder how they'll bring in Shatner in this new timeline? Makes me 
frustrated again at the whole alternate reality angle, which I fear I shall 
never fully embrace. 


- Original Message - 
From: "brent wodehouse" < brent_wodeho...@thefence.us > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 

  







http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2986590/William-Shatner-set-to-be-beamed-up
 

William Shatner set to be beamed up 

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009 

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the 
Star Trek sequel. 

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not 
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise, 
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series. 

Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy. 

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost 
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel 
set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be 
offered a role. 

"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a 
press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD. 

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned." 

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to th

RE: [scifinoir2] Alex Rider Dream Gadget Contest

[Martin Baxter]

I have heard of this, having four godchildren who are British, but I've never 
partaken of the series.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:56:46 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Alex Rider Dream Gadget Contest















 





  I don't know Alex Rider from Adam Rider.  Had to look it up:



Alex Rider is a series of spy novels by English author Anthony Horowitz about a 
young spy named Alex Rider. The series is aimed primarily for teenagers.Seven 
novels have been published to date, as well as three graphic novels, two short 
stories and a supplementary book. The first novel, Stormbreaker, was first 
released in the United Kingdom in 2000 and was adapted into a motion picture in 
2006. A line of action figures based on the film actors have also been 
released, featuring two different Alex Rider figures, Darrius Sayle, and Yassen 
Gregorovich.[1] A video game was released in 2006, based on the film. The 
novels are published by Walker Books in the United Kingdom. They were first 
published by Puffin in the United States, but have also been published more 
recently by Philomel, also an imprint of Penguin Books.[2] The graphic novels 
are published by Walker in the United Kingdom, and by Philomel in the United 
States.



Anyhoo...



http://www.boingboing.net/2009/10/21/make-magazine-spy-ga.html



http://makezine.com/alexridercontest/



MAKE is teaming up with the Penguin Group to present The Alex Rider Dream 
Gadget Contest!



All of you adventure-seekers and gadget lovers out there are invited to join 
in. If you were Alex Rider, what gadget would you want in the upcoming 
adventure "Crocodile Tears"? Design your dream Alex Rider gadget, inspired by 
an everyday object (i.e. an iPod, toothpaste, a pen). The winning gadget will 
be built right here at the MAKE Labs. Send us a schematic of what your gadget 
is made from and how it works. (Your schematic can be a diagram, a drawing or 
an explanation by you). Remember that the winning gadget will be inspired by an 
everyday object that one could realistically build (as much as we wish we could 
create a pair of scissors that could fly us to the moon)!





 

  













  
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Windows 7: It helps you do more. Explore Windows 7.
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Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Keith Johnson]

I'm not defending his behaviour, but I am criticizing the move to leave him out 
in the first place. I guess I must overlook or ignore Shatners's rants more 
than most, as his shenanigans have never pushed me to the point of being sick 
of him. I will absolutely admit he can be an egocentric, possessive jerk. 
That's evidenced by the fit he had after Nimoy's success directing "The Search 
for Spock", "The Voyage Home", and others. Shatner all but forced the studio to 
let hiim write and direct a flick, and what we got was inarguably the worst 
Trek film of them all "The Final Frontier". My money was very tight when that 
movie premiered , and I had to count quarters to get a ticket. Still want my 
money back.   



But that being said,  i still feel that Kirk is essential to the spirit of 
Trek. If not, we'd never have had a young Kirk in the new movie. Even with the  
inadvisable death of Kirk in "Generations" (which Shatner *never* should have 
agreed to!) there were ways to have Kirk in the movie, even as a flashback. 



As for ticket sales, you know my position there. It's a good movie, but it's 
not pure Trek in many ways. Lots of Star Wars fans and casual scifi fans who 
aren't as--intense-as people like me. Lots of fans who saw the movie and then 
forgot about it. So I don't doubt that the movie did well. Heck, it would ahve 
done well without Nimoy too, but that doesnt' mean I don't think it would have 
benefited from his appearance. 








- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:34:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 

  







I like Shatner, but trying to force someone or embarrass them into doing 
something you want is not a good move, particularly when you have a reputation 
for needing to dominate on the set.  Trying the turn the public against the 
producers is not a great way to get hired.  



It may have been a bad move, but the ticket sales tell a different story.    I 
wanted him in, but after he did that, I felt if I were the producers, there 
would be no way I’d want him in the picture after that.  I would view him as 
unable to control or stay on message  when doing publicity.   I bet they 
planned to put him in the sequel to humble him a little after the stunts he 
pulled 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 









I'll be succinct. 



One. It was a mistake not to include Shatner in a Trek movie. Unlike many who 
either don't like him, or see him as not essential to Treklore, I like Shatner 
fine. Star Trek was more about Shatner, I'd argue, in terms of the human quest 
for knowledge and enlightenment, than Spock, despite Spock's popularity. 
Really, they need each other, so to have one without the other? Bad move. 



Two. I wonder how they'll bring in Shatner in this new timeline? Makes me 
frustrated again at the whole alternate reality angle, which I fear I shall 
never fully embrace. 


- Original Message - 
From: "brent wodehouse"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 

  




http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2986590/William-Shatner-set-to-be-beamed-up
 

William Shatner set to be beamed up 

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009 

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the 
Star Trek sequel. 

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not 
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise, 
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series. 

Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy. 

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost 
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel 
set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be 
offered a role. 

"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a 
press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD. 

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned." 

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the 
early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk), 
Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the lead 
roles. 

While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to find 
a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role. 

The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of the 
extra features on the Star Trek DVD. 

"It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams 
explained. 

"The prob

RE: [scifinoir2] Insurance Companies: Rape is a preexisting condition

[Martin Baxter]

Mr Worf, Keith Olbermann has been saying this for -- well, since the day the 
entire mess began, even before his stake n the health-care debacle became 
personal (his father being in and out of the hospital due to advanced kidney 
disease). If you get MSNBC, take in "Countdown:, and revel in his quiet, 
eloquent rage. You'll love the man as much as I do.

Two weeks ago yesterday, he gave an hour-long Special Comment on the state of 
health care, calling it "The Fight Against Death". If I can find the video, 
I'll post it here. In it, he called for renaming the public option "Medicare 
for Everybody", so as to sell it easier to the Clearly Stupid who can't get 
their heads around the definition of "public option". Yesterday, a Democratic 
congressman did just that, and went onto his show to thank him for the 
inspiration.

As for the actual topic of this post, I can't comment into it, as I have far 
too many dear women in my life who have been victims of rape. They've all seen 
this already, and their reactions usually verge into the poetically obscene.

Pretty much where I'd go as well... 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:02:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Insurance Companies: Rape is a preexisting condition















 





  We see outrageous stories from insurance companies regularly 
now, and yet no one has actually said, "ENOUGH!!! THIS IS BULL AND WE MUST 
REIGN THEM IN!!!" 

My question is why hasn't anyone in the media said that??



On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

http://eseiro.notlong.com



A Florida woman, who is a victim of sexual abuse, claims that rape was called a 
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drugged and raped during a business trip. When she conferred with a doctor 
after her assault, Turner was prescribed preventative anti-HIV drugs, and she 
later entered counseling to help deal with the residual psychological effects 
of her rape.




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RE: [scifinoir2] o/t fake M$ update emails again

[Martin Baxter]

Again, I spit on the grave of M$.

As soon as I finish digging it...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2009 15:15:18 -0700
Subject: [scifinoir2] o/t fake M$ update emails again















 





  Its an oldie but a goodie. Someone started emailing a fake 
microsoft update with a virus attachment. 
http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=4674&tag=nl.e550

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies

[Mr. Worf]

We forgot Monk's theme, but I think you're correct. We may be out of that
phase. Does Glee have a theme song with lyrics?

It is possible that Hollywood moved away from themes because of the
international syndication. Having only music makes it easier to translate.



On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> We may be a post theme song lyrics society.  Remember the theme song for
> Gary Shandling's sitcom (1986)?:
>
> This is the theme to Garry's Show,
> The theme to Garry's show.
> Garry called me up and asked if I would right his theme song.
> I'm almost halfway finished,
> How do you like it so far,
> How do you like the theme to Garry's Show.
>
> This is the theme to Garry's Show,
> The opening theme to Garry's show.
> This is the music that you hear as you watch the credits.
> We're almost to the part of where I start to whistle.
> Then we'll watch "It's Garry Shandling's Show".
>
> This was the theme to Garry Shandling's show.
>
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
> >
> > True, and I do enjoy Eureka's theme. But most shows don't have lyrics
> > anymore.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Stargates have theme music, as do Eureka, Sanctuary, and Primeval.
> > > Almost all animated TV series have theme music (I love Danny
> Phantom's).
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Mr. Worf" 
> > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:26:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yea, I had a hard time coming up with themes from the newer shows. BSG,
> CSI
> > > were the only ones that I could think of.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Keith Johnson  ...>wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I love this line:  "That's why I'm living in Bel-Air: Two finger snaps
> and
> > >> you live in Bel-Air."
> > >>
> > >> On a related note, I hate that TV series theme songs are becoming so
> rare
> > >> nowadays. So many shows just slap out a quick tune and then cut to
> > >> commercial. It's not just theme songs with vocals that are
> disappearing;
> > >> it's also the ones with longer musical scores. Aside from Law and
> Order, and
> > >> a couple others, I can scare think of any show where the theme music
> is a
> > >> big part of it.  Corny as many were back in the day, you can't deny
> that the
> > >> theme songs for everything from "The Brady Bunch" to "Gilligan's
> Island",
> > >> from "Star Trek" to "The Beverly Hillbillies" stay with you.
> > >>
> > >> - Original Message -
> > >> From: "Kelwyn" 
> > >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > >> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:07:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
> Eastern
> > >> Subject: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> http://phaiyap.notlong.com
> > >>
> > >> Vic Mizzy, a film and television composer best known for writing the
> > >> memorable theme songs for the 1960s sit-coms "Green Acres" and "The
> Addams
> > >> Family," has died. He was 93.
> > >>
> > >> Mizzy died of heart failureSaturday at his home in Bel-Air, said Scott
> > >> Harper, a friend and fellow composer.
> > >>
> > >> A veteran writer of popular songs such as "There's a Faraway Look in
> Your
> > >> Eye" and "Pretty Kitty Blue Eyes," Mizzy launched his TV career in
> 1960 when
> > >> he was asked to compose music for the dramatic anthology series
> "Moment of
> > >> Fear."
> > >>
> > >> He quickly moved on to score episodes of "Shirley Temple's Storybook"
> and
> > >> "The Richard Boone Show" and to write the themes for "Klondike" and
> the
> > >> Dennis Weaver series "Kentucky Jones."
> > >>
> > >> Then came an offbeat assignment: "The Addams Family," the 1964-66 TV
> > >> series based on Charles Addams' macabre magazine cartoons and starring
> John
> > >> Astin as Gomez Addams and Carolyn Jones as his wife, Morticia.
> > >>
> > >> For his theme song, Mizzy played a harpsichord, which gives the theme
> its
> > >> unique flavor. And because the production company, Filmways, refused
> to pay
> > >> for singers, Mizzy sang it himself and overdubbed it three times. The
> song,
> > >> memorably punctuated by finger-snapping, begins with: "They're creepy
> and
> > >> they're kooky, mysterious and spooky, they're altogether ooky: the
> Addams
> > >> family."
> > >>
> > >> In the 1996 book "TV's Biggest Hits: The Story of Television Themes
> From
> > >> 'Dragnet' to 'Friends,' " author Jon Burlingame writes that Mizzy's
> "musical
> > >> conception was so specific that he became deeply involved with the
> filming
> > >> of the main-title sequence, which involved all seven actors snapping
> their
> > >> fingers in carefully timed rhythm to Mizzy's music."
> > >>
> > >> For Mizzy, who owned the publishing rights to "The Addams Family"
> theme,
> > >> it was an easy payday.
> > >>
> > >> "I sat down; I went 'buh-buh-bu

Re: [scifinoir2] Michael Bay Explains Why You Don't Need A Script To Start Making An Awesome Movie

[Mr. Worf]

I dunno about that. I was at an R rated movie and there were two couples
that brought their under 10yr old kids to see it. Why I dunno. It was one of
the Jamie Foxx movies.

I saw a lot of martial art, and black exploitation films when I was under
10. I actually prefered them to Disney.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Keith Johnson
wrote:

>
>
> Well, it's still good you're getting out, and I think it's great to involve
> kids in the whole movie going experience.
>
>
>
> It's funny: my dad took me and my brothers to movies a lot when I was a
> kid, and none of them were strictly kiddie fare. Usually it was the latest
> Godzilla or King Kong movie. You haven't lived until you've sat in a car
> munching popcorn, staring at Mothra, Monster Zero, or the Gargantuans on the
> big screen! Some of the movies were funny, such as the Godzilla movies that
> got more camp over time. Some were less so, such as the evil Gargantuan that
> ate people adn then spit out their bloodied clothing. I remembe all this
> clearly as a kid, and it never bothered me. Dad even took us to see "Night
> of the Living Dead". I was four at the time, remember it clearly. It didn't
> bother me. My oldest brother was fourteen, and he was cool too. But the
> middle boy--ten at the time--had nightmares after that and had to be
> prescribed tranquilizers to sleep for a time. But even did, if it was a
> action, monster, or crime movie , Dad would take all of us to see it.
>
>
>
> My parents rarely monitored what I watched on TV. Of course, back then,
> there wasn't a really anything inappropriate in the pre-cable years. The
> most I can remember arent moments of brief nudity here and there, once on
> Monty Python ("The Dull Life of a Stockbroker" skit), and once in the play
> "Steambath" in which Valerie Perine dropped her towel, to Bill Bixby's
> amazement. But other than that, nada. All the monster, slasher, and war
> movies and stuff, i watched from infancy on.
>
>
>
> Obviously TV and the regular movies are a lot gorier, explicit, and adult
> now than in times past, but do you think parents nowadays are more cautious
> even with fare like I grew up on? To most parents make sure their tiny tots
> only watch Disney and stuff? (I watched that too, by the way!)
>
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Mr. Worf]

I don't think that the audience that went to see the movie was trek fans but
a mixture. Some of the hardcore people didn't go see the movie. Others hated
what they did to the timeline.

One way that they could write Kirk back in is by using the vortex thing that
he fell into.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:34 AM, Tracey de Morsella <
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com> wrote:

>
>
>  I like Shatner, but trying to force someone or embarrass them into doing
> something you want is not a good move, particularly when you have a
> reputation for needing to dominate on the set.  Trying the turn the public
> against the producers is not a great way to get hired.
>
>
>
> It may have been a bad move, but the ticket sales tell a different story.
>   I wanted him in, but after he did that, I felt if I were the producers,
> there would be no way I’d want him in the picture after that.  I would view
> him as unable to control or stay on message  when doing publicity.   I bet
> they planned to put him in the sequel to humble him a little after the
> stunts he pulled
>
>
>
> *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Keith Johnson
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM
> *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  I'll be succinct.
>
>
>
> One. It was a mistake not to include Shatner in a Trek movie. Unlike many
> who either don't like him, or see him as not essential to Treklore, I like
> Shatner fine. Star Trek was more about Shatner, I'd argue, in terms of the
> human quest for knowledge and enlightenment, than Spock, despite Spock's
> popularity. Really, they need each other, so to have one without the other?
> Bad move.
>
>
>
> Two. I wonder how they'll bring in Shatner in this new timeline? Makes me
> frustrated again at the whole alternate reality angle, which I fear I shall
> never fully embrace.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "brent wodehouse" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up
>
>
>
>
> http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2986590/William-Shatner-set-to-be-beamed-up
>
> William Shatner set to be beamed up
>
> Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009
>
> Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the
> Star Trek sequel.
>
> Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not
> to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise,
> in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series.
>
> Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy.
>
> Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost
> US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel
> set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be
> offered a role.
>
> "I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a
> press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD.
>
> "We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned."
>
> Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the
> early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk),
> Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the lead
> roles.
>
> While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to find
> a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role.
>
> The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of the
> extra features on the Star Trek DVD.
>
> "It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams
> explained.
>
> "The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek films and
> because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek canon
> as best we could ... the required machinations to get Shatner into the
> movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we wanted to
> tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy with.
>
> "It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order to get
> Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been distracting."
>
> The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg and
> other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to introduce
> Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said.
>
> "In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything," Abrams added.
>
> "I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that needed to
> be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe there's less
> of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him
> (Shatner)."
>
> The Star Trek DVD, set for release in Australia on October 29, is filled
> with extras, including gag reels, three hours of bonus footage,
> commentary, secrets behind th e costumes and sets and deleted scenes that

RE: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Martin Baxter]

I fell across something a couple of weeks ago that speaks into this, but I was 
going to fail to mention it, as it involves As. But, as it's here and I 
can't avoid it...

In particular, this is an "explanation" as to why Kirk wasn't in the first Trek 
movie. The explanation is, at best ludicrous, considering what was done with 
canon. Have fun with it among yourselves. Hope you won't mind my sitting it 
out...

http://io9.com/5380262/what-would-shatner-have-done-in-the-near-futures-past

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 18:20:46 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up















 





  
I'll be succinct.

 

One. It was a mistake not to include Shatner in a Trek movie. Unlike many who 
either don't like him, or see him as not essential to Treklore, I like Shatner 
fine. Star Trek was more about Shatner, I'd argue, in terms of the human quest 
for knowledge and enlightenment, than Spock, despite Spock's popularity. 
Really, they need each other, so to have one without the other? Bad move.

 

Two. I wonder how they'll bring in Shatner in this new timeline? Makes me 
frustrated again at the whole alternate reality angle, which I fear I shall 
never fully embrace.


- Original Message -
From: "brent wodehouse" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up



  




http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2986590/William-Shatner-set-to-be-beamed-up

William Shatner set to be beamed up

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the
Star Trek sequel.

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise,
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series.

Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy.

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel
set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be
offered a role.

"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a
press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD.

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned."

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the
early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk),
Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the lead
roles.

While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to find
a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role.

The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of the
extra features on the Star Trek DVD.

"It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams
explained.

"The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek films and
because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek canon
as best we could ... the required machinations to get Shatner into the
movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we wanted to
tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy with.

"It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order to get
Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been distracting."

The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg and
other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to introduce
Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said.

"In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything," Abrams added.

"I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that needed to
be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe there's less
of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him
(Shatner)."

The Star Trek DVD, set for release in Australia on October 29, is filled
with extras, including gag reels, three hours of bonus footage,
commentary, secrets behind the costumes and sets and deleted scenes that
reveal a side story involving Eric Bana's villainous character Nero.

The DVD also includes what is billed as "ground-breaking augmented reality
technology" which, through a webcam, allows a 3D holographic tour of the
Enterprise.

Abrams said the decision to hold the world premiere for Star Trek at the
Sydney Opera House in April was the perfect launch pad for the movie.

"I have been to Sydney before and I loved it the first time," Abrams told
AAP in a video interview.

"This last time it was so surreal. First of all I had never been to the
Opera House which could not have been more be

RE: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Tracey de Morsella]

I like Shatner, but trying to force someone or embarrass them into doing 
something you want is not a good move, particularly when you have a reputation 
for needing to dominate on the set.  Trying the turn the public against the 
producers is not a great way to get hired.  

 

It may have been a bad move, but the ticket sales tell a different story.I 
wanted him in, but after he did that, I felt if I were the producers, there 
would be no way I’d want him in the picture after that.  I would view him as 
unable to control or stay on message  when doing publicity.   I bet they 
planned to put him in the sequel to humble him a little after the stunts he 
pulled

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:21 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

 






I'll be succinct.

 

One. It was a mistake not to include Shatner in a Trek movie. Unlike many who 
either don't like him, or see him as not essential to Treklore, I like Shatner 
fine. Star Trek was more about Shatner, I'd argue, in terms of the human quest 
for knowledge and enlightenment, than Spock, despite Spock's popularity. 
Really, they need each other, so to have one without the other? Bad move.

 

Two. I wonder how they'll bring in Shatner in this new timeline? Makes me 
frustrated again at the whole alternate reality angle, which I fear I shall 
never fully embrace.


- Original Message -
From: "brent wodehouse" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

  

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2986590/William-Shatner-set-to-be-beamed-up

William Shatner set to be beamed up

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the
Star Trek sequel.

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise,
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series.

Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy.

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel
set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be
offered a role.

"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a
press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD.

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned."

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the
early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk),
Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the lead
roles.

While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to find
a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role.

The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of the
extra features on the Star Trek DVD.

"It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams
explained.

"The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek films and
because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek canon
as best we could ... the required machinations to get Shatner into the
movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we wanted to
tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy with.

"It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order to get
Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been distracting."

The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg and
other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to introduce
Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said.

"In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything," Abrams added.

"I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that needed to
be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe there's less
of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him
(Shatner)."

The Star Trek DVD, set for release in Australia on October 29, is filled
with extras, including gag reels, three hours of bonus footage,
commentary, secrets behind th e costumes and sets and deleted scenes that
reveal a side story involving Eric Bana's villainous character Nero.

The DVD also includes what is billed as "ground-breaking augmented reality
technology" which, through a webcam, allows a 3D holographic tour of the
Enterprise.

Abrams said the decision to hold the world premiere for Star Trek at the
Sydney Opera House in April was the perfect launch pad for the movie.

"I have been to Sydney before and I loved it the first time," Abrams told
AAP in a video interview.

"This last time it was so surreal. First of all I had never been to the
Opera Hou

Re: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[Keith Johnson]

I'll be succinct. 



One. It was a mistake not to include Shatner in a Trek movie. Unlike many who 
either don't like him, or see him as not essential to Treklore, I like Shatner 
fine. Star Trek was more about Shatner, I'd argue, in terms of the human quest 
for knowledge and enlightenment, than Spock, despite Spock's popularity. 
Really, they need each other, so to have one without the other? Bad move. 



Two. I wonder how they'll bring in Shatner in this new timeline? Makes me 
frustrated again at the whole alternate reality angle, which I fear I shall 
never fully embrace. 


- Original Message - 
From: "brent wodehouse"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 2:09:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up 

  




http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2986590/William-Shatner-set-to-be-beamed-up
 

William Shatner set to be beamed up 

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009 

Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the 
Star Trek sequel. 

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not 
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise, 
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series. 

Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy. 

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost 
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel 
set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be 
offered a role. 

"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a 
press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD. 

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned." 

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the 
early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk), 
Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the lead 
roles. 

While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to find 
a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role. 

The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of the 
extra features on the Star Trek DVD. 

"It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams 
explained. 

"The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek films and 
because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek canon 
as best we could ... the required machinations to get Shatner into the 
movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we wanted to 
tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy with. 

"It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order to get 
Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been distracting." 

The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg and 
other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to introduce 
Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said. 

"In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything," Abrams added. 

"I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that needed to 
be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe there's less 
of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him 
(Shatner)." 

The Star Trek DVD, set for release in Australia on October 29, is filled 
with extras, including gag reels, three hours of bonus footage, 
commentary, secrets behind the costumes and sets and deleted scenes that 
reveal a side story involving Eric Bana's villainous character Nero. 

The DVD also includes what is billed as "ground-breaking augmented reality 
technology" which, through a webcam, allows a 3D holographic tour of the 
Enterprise. 

Abrams said the decision to hold the world premiere for Star Trek at the 
Sydney Opera House in April was the perfect launch pad for the movie. 

"I have been to Sydney before and I loved it the first time," Abrams told 
AAP in a video interview. 

"This last time it was so surreal. First of all I had never been to the 
Opera House which could not have been more beautiful. 

"The reception was off the charts. The people were so kind. It was 
beautiful, maybe not atypical Sydney weather, but I called my wife and 
said 'We might have to move here'. 

"I am serious. I want to go back not just for professional reasons. I just 
want to go back because it is fantastic." 

[scifinoir2] William Shatner set to be beamed up

[brent wodehouse]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/2986590/William-Shatner-set-to-be-beamed-up

William Shatner set to be beamed up

Last updated 13:32 21/10/2009


Hollywood director JJ Abrams appears set to beam William Shatner up to the
Star Trek sequel.

Abrams suffered plenty of criticism from Star Trek fans when he opted not
to cast Shatner, the original Captain James T Kirk of the USS Enterprise,
in this year's big screen update of the iconic sci-fi film and TV series.

Abrams did cast the original Spock, Leonard Nimoy.

Star Trek was one of the most successful films of 2009, earning almost
US$400 million (NZ$542.81m) at the worldwide box office, and with a sequel
set for release in theatres in 2011, Abrams confirmed Shatner may be
offered a role.

"I would love to work with him," Abrams told reporters in Los Angeles at a
press conference to promote the release of the Star Trek DVD.

"We speak. We actually have a lunch date planned."

Abrams opted to make Star Trek a prequel, winding the clock back to the
early years of the Star Trek crew with young actors Chris Pine (Kirk),
Zachary Quinto (Spock) and Simon Pegg (Montgomery Scott) filling the lead
roles.

While Abrams and screenwriters Bob Orci and Alex Kurtzman managed to find
a way to bring Nimoy back, they opted against offering Shatner a role.

The dilemma they faced is examined in The Shatner Conundrum, one of the
extra features on the Star Trek DVD.

"It was a foregone conclusion we wanted him in the movie," Abrams
explained.

"The problem was his character died on screen in one of his Trek films and
because we decided, very early on, that we wanted to adhere to Trek canon
as best we could ... the required machinations to get Shatner into the
movie would have been very difficult to do given the story we wanted to
tell and also to give him the kind of part that he would be happy with.

"It was this thing where it would have felt like a gimmick in order to get
Shatner in the movie, which would have honestly, to me, been distracting."

The success of Abrams' Star Trek and the welcome Pine, Quinto, Pegg and
other new actors received from Trekkies will make it easier to introduce
Shatner into the sequel, Abrams said.

"In terms of moving forward, I am open to anything," Abrams added.

"I feel like the first movie did some of the heavy lifting that needed to
be done in order to free us to continue going forward. Maybe there's less
of a burden and there's going to be more opportunity to work with him
(Shatner)."

The Star Trek DVD, set for release in Australia on October 29, is filled
with extras, including gag reels, three hours of bonus footage,
commentary, secrets behind the costumes and sets and deleted scenes that
reveal a side story involving Eric Bana's villainous character Nero.

The DVD also includes what is billed as "ground-breaking augmented reality
technology" which, through a webcam, allows a 3D holographic tour of the
Enterprise.

Abrams said the decision to hold the world premiere for Star Trek at the
Sydney Opera House in April was the perfect launch pad for the movie.

"I have been to Sydney before and I loved it the first time," Abrams told
AAP in a video interview.

"This last time it was so surreal. First of all I had never been to the
Opera House which could not have been more beautiful.

"The reception was off the charts. The people were so kind. It was
beautiful, maybe not atypical Sydney weather, but I called my wife and
said 'We might have to move here'.

"I am serious. I want to go back not just for professional reasons. I just
want to go back because it is fantastic."

Re: [scifinoir2] Michael Bay Explains Why You Don't Need A Script To Start Making An Awesome Movie

[Keith Johnson]

Well, it's still good you're getting out, and I think it's great to involve 
kids in the whole movie going experience. 



It's funny: my dad took me and my brothers to movies a lot when I was a kid, 
and none of them were strictly kiddie fare. Usually it was the latest Godzilla 
or King Kong movie. You haven't lived until you've sat in a car munching 
popcorn, staring at Mothra, Monster Zero, or the Gargantuans on the big screen! 
Some of the movies were funny, such as the Godzilla movies that got more camp 
over time. Some were less so, such as the evil Gargantuan that ate people adn 
then spit out their bloodied clothing. I remembe all this clearly as a kid, and 
it never bothered me. Dad even took us to see "Night of the Living Dead". I was 
four at the time, remember it clearly. It didn't bother me. My oldest brother 
was fourteen, and he was cool too. But the middle boy--ten at the time--had 
nightmares after that and had to be prescribed tranquilizers to sleep for a 
time. But even did, if it was a action, monster, or crime movie , Dad would 
take all of us to see it. 



My parents rarely monitored what I watched on TV. Of course, back then, there 
wasn't a really anything inappropriate in the pre-cable years. The most I can 
remember arent moments of brief nudity here and there, once on Monty Python 
("The Dull Life of a Stockbroker" skit), and once in the play "Steambath" in 
which Valerie Perine dropped her towel, to Bill Bixby's amazement. But other 
than that, nada. All the monster, slasher, and war movies and stuff, i watched 
from infancy on. 



Obviously TV and the regular movies are a lot gorier, explicit, and adult now 
than in times past, but do you think parents nowadays are more cautious even 
with fare like I grew up on? To most parents make sure their tiny tots only 
watch Disney and stuff? (I watched that too, by the way!) 


- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, October 22, 2009 12:36:27 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Michael Bay Explains Why You Don't Need A Script To  
Start Making An Awesome Movie 

  







Before I became Matinee mom, I averaged 3 a year, now I do about one or two a 
month.  But just the kids stuff. 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 8:21 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Michael Bay Explains Why You Don't Need A Script To 
Start Making An Awesome Movie 









Dang, I average 3 - 5 movies a month at the theatre! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:06:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Michael Bay Explains Why You Don't Need A Script To  
Start Making An Awesome Movie 

  




I feel ya on that. I am averaging one trip to the theater a year now. Netflix 
and cable are my friends. :) 


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 1:00 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > 
wrote: 




Reading things like that are probably why I'm so reticent to commit to seeing 
movies at the theaters. 




"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 

From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 15:38:36 -0700 




Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Michael Bay Explains Why You Don't Need A Script To 
Start Making An Awesome Movie 

  









When I first saw this I thought it was a parody.  Since most of us complain 
about the lack of story.  The fact that he admits it and feels no shame is a 
amazing 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Martin Baxter 
Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 1:16 PM 
To: SciFiNoir2; ggs...@yahoo.com ; cinque3...@verizon.net 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Michael Bay Explains Why You Don't Need A Script To 
Start Making An Awesome Movie 





Tracey... you mean that Bay once *used* scripts? 8-O 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ; ggs...@yahoo.com ; cinque3...@verizon.net 
From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 00:52:35 -0700 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Michael Bay Explains Why You Don't Need A Script To Start 
Making An Awesome Movie 

  







atch some great Decepticon-on-military-satellite action from Transformers 2 , 
while director Michael Bay explains why you don't need to have a script when 
you start creating cool robot action, in this exclusive commentary clip from 
the Revenge Of The Fallen DVD. 
As you might know, the writers' strike forced Bay to start work on TF2 without 
an actual script — all h

Re: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies

[Keith Johnson]

And you had to go back what? Two decades to find memorable ones? oddly enough, 
given the dearth of good TV themes nowadays--especially those with 
vocals--"Enterprise" stands out as a show doing what fewer and fewer shows do. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 4:14:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies 






I wonder if today's composers will be thought of with the same affection? Most 
of the tv show themes just aren't that memorible. Except for Cheers, Friends, 
and couple of others. 


On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Kelwyn < ravena...@yahoo.com > wrote: 


http://phaiyap.notlong.com 

Vic Mizzy, a film and television composer best known for writing the memorable 
theme songs for the 1960s sit-coms "Green Acres" and "The Addams Family," has 
died. He was 93. 

Mizzy died of heart failureSaturday at his home in Bel-Air, said Scott Harper, 
a friend and fellow composer. 

A veteran writer of popular songs such as "There's a Faraway Look in Your Eye" 
and "Pretty Kitty Blue Eyes," Mizzy launched his TV career in 1960 when he was 
asked to compose music for the dramatic anthology series "Moment of Fear." 

He quickly moved on to score episodes of "Shirley Temple's Storybook" and "The 
Richard Boone Show" and to write the themes for "Klondike" and the Dennis 
Weaver series "Kentucky Jones." 

Then came an offbeat assignment: "The Addams Family," the 1964-66 TV series 
based on Charles Addams' macabre magazine cartoons and starring John Astin as 
Gomez Addams and Carolyn Jones as his wife, Morticia. 

For his theme song, Mizzy played a harpsichord, which gives the theme its 
unique flavor. And because the production company, Filmways, refused to pay for 
singers, Mizzy sang it himself and overdubbed it three times. The song, 
memorably punctuated by finger-snapping, begins with: "They're creepy and 
they're kooky, mysterious and spooky, they're altogether ooky: the Addams 
family." 

In the 1996 book "TV's Biggest Hits: The Story of Television Themes From 
'Dragnet' to 'Friends,' " author Jon Burlingame writes that Mizzy's "musical 
conception was so specific that he became deeply involved with the filming of 
the main-title sequence, which involved all seven actors snapping their fingers 
in carefully timed rhythm to Mizzy's music." 

For Mizzy, who owned the publishing rights to "The Addams Family" theme, it was 
an easy payday. 

"I sat down; I went 'buh-buh-buh-bump [snap-snap], buh-buh-buh-bump," he 
recalled in a 2008 interview on CBS' "Sunday Morning" show. "That's why I'm 
living in Bel-Air: Two finger snaps and you live in Bel-Air." 

The season after "The Addams Family" made its debut, Mizzy composed the title 
song for "Green Acres," the 1965-71 rural comedy starring Eddie Albert and Eva 
Gabor. 

For "Green Acres," Burlingame observed in his book, Mizzy "again conceived the 
title song as intertwined with the visuals" of the show's title sequence and 
telling the story of wealthy Oliver and Lisa Douglas moving from New York to a 
farm in the country. 

Burlingame on Monday described the themes for "The Addams Family" and "Green 
Acres" as "two of the best-remembered sitcom themes of all time." 

"Vic was an old-school songwriter who believed in melody and hummability," 
Burlingame said. "He thought that people ought to be able to easily remember a 
theme. 

"Vic was one of the wittiest composers I ever met, and he had an uncanny 
ability to incorporate his own personal sense of humor into his music." 

Mizzy's use of bass harmonica and fuzz guitar in the music of "Green Acres," 
for example, "was somehow perfect for that show's setting, and it only added to 
the humor of the situations," Burlingame said. 

In the case of "The Addams Family," he said, "you've got the harpsichord, which 
lends this antique, sort of macabre quality to the theme. But then you add the 
lyrics, which make it funny. So you have the perfect combination of macabre and 
amusing. It was just right for that show's sensibility." 

Mizzy's many TV credits include writing the themes for Phyllis Diller's 1966-67 
sitcom "The Pruitts of Southampton" and "The Don Rickles Show" (1968-69), for 
which Mizzy also conducted the orchestra. 

Among his movie credits as a composer are the Don Knotts comedies "The Ghost 
and Mr. Chicken," "The Reluctant Astronaut," "The Shakiest Gun in the West," 
"The Love God?" and "How to Frame a Figg." 

Born in Brooklyn on Jan. 9, 1916, Mizzy learned to play the piano as a child. 
While he was a student at New York University, he and his friend Irving Taylor 
began writing songs and sketches for variety shows. 

They appeared on radio's "Major Bowes' Original Amateur Hour" and won an 
amateur contest on the Fred Allen show. The team's first published song was 
"Your Heart Rhymes with Mine." 

Mizzy, who served four years in the Navy during World War II,

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: people eavesdropping

[Augustus Augustus]

but Rave, 

it is sooo funny!

--- On Thu, 10/22/09, Kelwyn  wrote:

From: Kelwyn 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: people eavesdropping
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, October 22, 2009, 12:21 PM






 





  This is wrong on so many levels.



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:

>

> Funny stuff.

> 

> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Augustus Augustus

> wrote:

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> >   Check out what happens when people eaves drop.

> >

> >

> >

> > Eavesdropping Stuff. > uri=mgid: cms:mvideo: cmt.com:40319& group=music& type=error& ref=None& 
> > geo=US>

> >

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> >

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> 

> 

> 

> 

> -- 

> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!

> Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/

>




 

  




 

















  

[scifinoir2] Re: people eavesdropping

[Kelwyn]

This is wrong on so many levels.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> Funny stuff.
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Augustus Augustus
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   Check out what happens when people eaves drop.
> >
> >
> >
> > Eavesdropping 
> > Stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
> Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
>

[scifinoir2] Re: Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies

[Kelwyn]

We may be a post theme song lyrics society.  Remember the theme song for Gary 
Shandling's sitcom (1986)?:

This is the theme to Garry's Show, 
The theme to Garry's show. 
Garry called me up and asked if I would right his theme song. 
I'm almost halfway finished, 
How do you like it so far, 
How do you like the theme to Garry's Show. 

This is the theme to Garry's Show, 
The opening theme to Garry's show. 
This is the music that you hear as you watch the credits. 
We're almost to the part of where I start to whistle. 
Then we'll watch "It's Garry Shandling's Show". 

This was the theme to Garry Shandling's show. 


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Mr. Worf"  wrote:
>
> True, and I do enjoy Eureka's theme. But most shows don't have lyrics
> anymore.
> 
> On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > The Stargates have theme music, as do Eureka, Sanctuary, and Primeval.
> > Almost all animated TV series have theme music (I love Danny Phantom's).
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Mr. Worf" 
> > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 9:26:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies
> >
> >
> >
> > Yea, I had a hard time coming up with themes from the newer shows. BSG, CSI
> > were the only ones that I could think of.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> I love this line:  "That's why I'm living in Bel-Air: Two finger snaps and
> >> you live in Bel-Air."
> >>
> >> On a related note, I hate that TV series theme songs are becoming so rare
> >> nowadays. So many shows just slap out a quick tune and then cut to
> >> commercial. It's not just theme songs with vocals that are disappearing;
> >> it's also the ones with longer musical scores. Aside from Law and Order, 
> >> and
> >> a couple others, I can scare think of any show where the theme music is a
> >> big part of it.  Corny as many were back in the day, you can't deny that 
> >> the
> >> theme songs for everything from "The Brady Bunch" to "Gilligan's Island",
> >> from "Star Trek" to "The Beverly Hillbillies" stay with you.
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Kelwyn" 
> >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2009 3:07:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> >> Subject: [scifinoir2] Composer of Addams Family Theme Song dies
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> http://phaiyap.notlong.com
> >>
> >> Vic Mizzy, a film and television composer best known for writing the
> >> memorable theme songs for the 1960s sit-coms "Green Acres" and "The Addams
> >> Family," has died. He was 93.
> >>
> >> Mizzy died of heart failureSaturday at his home in Bel-Air, said Scott
> >> Harper, a friend and fellow composer.
> >>
> >> A veteran writer of popular songs such as "There's a Faraway Look in Your
> >> Eye" and "Pretty Kitty Blue Eyes," Mizzy launched his TV career in 1960 
> >> when
> >> he was asked to compose music for the dramatic anthology series "Moment of
> >> Fear."
> >>
> >> He quickly moved on to score episodes of "Shirley Temple's Storybook" and
> >> "The Richard Boone Show" and to write the themes for "Klondike" and the
> >> Dennis Weaver series "Kentucky Jones."
> >>
> >> Then came an offbeat assignment: "The Addams Family," the 1964-66 TV
> >> series based on Charles Addams' macabre magazine cartoons and starring John
> >> Astin as Gomez Addams and Carolyn Jones as his wife, Morticia.
> >>
> >> For his theme song, Mizzy played a harpsichord, which gives the theme its
> >> unique flavor. And because the production company, Filmways, refused to pay
> >> for singers, Mizzy sang it himself and overdubbed it three times. The song,
> >> memorably punctuated by finger-snapping, begins with: "They're creepy and
> >> they're kooky, mysterious and spooky, they're altogether ooky: the Addams
> >> family."
> >>
> >> In the 1996 book "TV's Biggest Hits: The Story of Television Themes From
> >> 'Dragnet' to 'Friends,' " author Jon Burlingame writes that Mizzy's 
> >> "musical
> >> conception was so specific that he became deeply involved with the filming
> >> of the main-title sequence, which involved all seven actors snapping their
> >> fingers in carefully timed rhythm to Mizzy's music."
> >>
> >> For Mizzy, who owned the publishing rights to "The Addams Family" theme,
> >> it was an easy payday.
> >>
> >> "I sat down; I went 'buh-buh-buh-bump [snap-snap], buh-buh-buh-bump," he
> >> recalled in a 2008 interview on CBS' "Sunday Morning" show. "That's why I'm
> >> living in Bel-Air: Two finger snaps and you live in Bel-Air."
> >>
> >> The season after "The Addams Family" made its debut, Mizzy composed the
> >> title song for "Green Acres," the 1965-71 rural comedy starring Eddie 
> >> Albert
> >> and Eva Gabor.
> >>
> >> For "Green Acres," Burlingame observed in his book, Mizzy "again conceived
> >> the title song as intertwined with the visuals" of the show's title 
> >> seq

Re: [scifinoir2] people eavesdropping

[Mr. Worf]

Funny stuff.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 6:24 AM, Augustus Augustus
wrote:

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>   Check out what happens when people eaves drop.
>
>
>
> Eavesdropping 
> Stuff.
>
>
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>
>
>
> 




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Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years!
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[scifinoir2] people eavesdropping

[Augustus Augustus]

 







 





  





Check out what happens when people eaves drop.







Eavesdropping Stuff.