date:20100129

It's 6 degrees here in Chicago...rain...Hmph!

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Subject: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 3:00 PM

And here it'll be cloudy and rainy tonight in the ATL...  :(
Oh well, it's great to read about, and I really dig the different full moon 
names from Native culture.

 * *
http://news. yahoo.com/ s/space/20100129 /sc_space/ biggestandbright 
estfullmoonof201 0tonight

http://www.space. com/spacewatch/ full-moon- names-2010- 100127.html

Biggest and Brightest Full Moon of 2010 Tonight

 Reuters – A full moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in London January 
1, 2010. REUTERS/Dylan Martinez  … 
Robert Roy Britt
Editorial Director
SPACE.com Robert Roy Britt
editorial Director
space.com – Fri Jan 29, 7:45 am ET

Tonight's full moon will be the biggest and brightest full moon of the year. It 
offers anyone with clear skies an opportunity to identify easy-to-see features 
on the moon.
This being the first full moon of 2010, it is also known as the wolf moon, a 
moniker dating back to Native American culture and the notion that hungry 
wolves howled at the full moon on cold winter nights. Each month brings another 
full moon name.
But why will this moon be bigger than others? Here's how the moon works:
The moon is, on average, 238,855 miles (384,400 km) from Earth. The moon's 
orbit around Earth – which causes it to go through all its phases once every 
29.5 days – is not a perfect circle, but rather an ellipse. One side of the 
orbit is 31,070 miles (50,000 km) closer than the other. 
So in each orbit, the moon reaches this closest point to us, called perigee. 
Once or twice a year, perigee coincides with a full moon, as it will tonight, 
making the moon bigger and brighter than any other full moons during the year.
Tonight it will be about 14 percent wider and 30 percent brighter than lesser 
full Moons of the year, according to Spaceweather. com.
As a bonus, Mars will be just to the left of the moon tonight. Look for the 
reddish, star-like object. 
Full moon craziness 
Many people think full moons cause strange behavior among animals and even 
humans. In fact several studies over the years have tried to tie lunar phases 
to births, heart attacks, deaths, suicides, violence, psychiatric hospital 
admissions and epileptic seizures, and more. Connections have been inclusive or 
nonexistent.
The moon does have some odd effects on our planet, and there are oodles of 
other amazing moon facts and misconceptions:

A full moon at perigee also brings higher ocean tides. This tug of the moon on 
Earth also creates tides in the planet's crust, not just in the oceans.
Beaches are more polluted during full moon, owing to the higher tides.
In reality, there's no such thing as a full moon. The full moon occurs when the 
sun, Earth and the moon are all lined up, almost. If they're perfectly aligned, 
Earth casts a shadow on the moon and there's a total lunar eclipse. So during 
what we call a full moon, the moon's face is actually slightly less than 100 
percent illuminated.
The moon is moving away as you read this, by about 1.6 inches (4 cm) a year.
The moon illusion
Finally, be sure to get out and see the full moon as it rises, right around 
sunset. Along the horizon, the moon tends to seem even bigger. This is just an 
illusion. 
You can prove to yourself that this is an illusion. Taking a small object such 
as a pencil eraser, hold it at arm's length, and compare its size to that of 
the moon just as it rises. Then repeat the experiment later in the night and 
you'll see that the moon compares the same in both cases. Alternately, snap two 
photos of the moon, with a digital camera or your cell phone, when the moon is 
near the horizon and later when it's higher in the sky. Pull both photos up on 
your computer screen and make a side-by-side comparison.
Astronomers and psychologists agree the moon illusion is just that, but they 
don't agree on how to explain it

RE: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it

2010-01-29 Thread Martin Baxter


Not good astronomy weather, I know. Not much better here in Georgia, though. 
Expecting a low of 22 tonight.
  
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[scifinoir2] Stargate props up for auction

*After all the recent auctions for Propworx http://www.propworx.com/'s
Battlestar Galactica props, they are now selling off 15 years of Stargate
SG-1 and Atlantis props http://stargateartifacts.com/. Over the next
couple of months minor items will be sold on eBay, and the major items will
be sold in two live auctions. eBay auctions will consist of smaller props,
most costumes, drawings and even parts of Stargates. The live auctions will
contain items such as the Thor puppet, The Ark of Truth, and the only fully
working Stargate. (Multiple Stargates needed for travel).* My wife will be
bidding on Daniel Jackson. I wouldn't mind a Zat gun, but at $3K–$4K, it's a
bit rich for my blood... although if the neighbor's dog keeps getting out of
his electric fence I might have no choice...

Are they axing the show? Or switching over to green screen only?

Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it

It was already cloudy here, or maybe I was just groggy from having to drive all 
the way up to Alpharetta in the pre-dawn cold, and just didn't notice. Nah, 
can't be that: i never fail to notice the moon and stars, no matter how tired i 
am. 

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it 

Keith, I glimpsed the Moon this morning when I was putting the trash out for 
pickup, and it was a whopper then, just barely above the treetops. Despite the 
cold, I stood and stared. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it

Ha-ha, I hear you! From Christmas until about the second week in January, it 
was dipping below 20 at night both here and back home in DFW. Daytime highs 
sometimes not above freezing, and it was windy to boot. Way too much cold for 
most of us! 
And don't get me started on the saga of my car battery dying while I'm at home 
taking care of my flu-infected wife, and me having to tote it and a replacement 
to and from Sears, trudging half a mile each way in bone chilling cold, bearing 
that not insignificant weight! 

- Original Message - 
From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:37:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it 






It's 6 degrees here in Chicago...rain...Hmph! 

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet 
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 3:00 PM 





And here it'll be cloudy and rainy tonight in the ATL... :( 
Oh well, it's great to read about, and I really dig the different full moon 
names from Native culture. 

 * * 
http://news. yahoo.com/ s/space/20100129 /sc_space/ biggestandbright 
estfullmoonof201 0tonight 

http://www.space. com/spacewatch/ full-moon- names-2010- 100127.html 

Biggest and Brightest Full Moon of 2010 Tonight 
SPACE.com




A full moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in LondonReuters – A full 
moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in London January 1, 2010. 
REUTERS/Dylan Martinez … 
Robert Roy Britt 
Editorial Director 
SPACE.com Robert Roy Britt 
editorial Director 
space.com – Fri Jan 29, 7:45 am ET 

Tonight's full moon will be the biggest and brightest full moon of the year. It 
offers anyone with clear skies an opportunity to identify easy-to-see features 
on the moon. 
This being the first full moon of 2010, it is also known as the wolf moon, a 
moniker dating back to Native American culture and the notion that hungry 
wolves howled at the full moon on cold winter nights. Each month brings another 
full moon name . 
But why will this moon be bigger than others? Here's how the moon works : 
The moon is, on average, 238,855 miles (384,400 km) from Earth. The moon's 
orbit around Earth – which causes it to go through all its phases once every 
29.5 days – is not a perfect circle, but rather an ellipse. One side of the 
orbit is 31,070 miles (50,000 km) closer than the other. 
So in each orbit, the moon reaches this closest point to us, called perigee. 
Once or twice a year, perigee coincides with a full moon, as it will tonight, 
making the moon bigger and brighter than any other full moons during the year. 
Tonight it will be about 14 percent wider and 30 percent brighter than lesser 
full Moons of the year, according to Spaceweather. com . 
As a bonus, Mars will be just to the left of the moon tonight. Look for the 
reddish, star-like object. 
Full moon craziness 
Many people think full moons cause strange behavior among animals and even 
humans. In fact several studies over the years have tried to tie lunar phases 
to births, heart attacks, deaths, suicides, violence, psychiatric hospital 
admissions and epileptic seizures, and more. Connections have been inclusive or 
nonexistent. 
The moon does have some odd effects on our planet, and there are oodles of 
other amazing moon facts and misconceptions: 

• A full moon at perigee also brings higher ocean tides . This tug of the 
moon on Earth also creates tides in the planet's crust, not just in the oceans. 
• Beaches are more polluted during full moon, owing to the higher tides. 
• In reality, there's no such thing as a full moon. The full moon occurs 
when the sun, Earth and the moon are all lined up, almost. If they're perfectly 
aligned, Earth casts a shadow on the moon and there's a total lunar eclipse . 
So during what we call a full moon, the moon's face is actually slightly less 
than 100 percent illuminated. 
• The moon is moving away as you read this, by about 1.6 inches (4 cm) a 
year. 

The moon illusion 
Finally, be sure to get out and see the full moon as it rises, right around 
sunset. Along the horizon, the moon tends to seem even bigger. This is just an 
illusion. 
You can prove to yourself that this is an illusion. Taking a small object such 
as a pencil eraser, hold it at arm's length, and compare its size to that of 
the moon just as it rises. Then repeat the experiment later in the night and 
you'll see that the moon compares the same in both cases. Alternately, snap two 
photos of the moon, with a digital camera or your cell phone, when the moon is 
near the horizon and later when it's

Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you cansee it

2010-01-29 Thread jazzynupe_007

Keith,

I can easily beat that.  Did my cold weather special forces training for the 
Marines outside of Nome, Alaska.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:40:35 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can
 see it

The coldest weather i've ever experienced was in Chi-town back in '97, when I 
was up working on a software project for my then employer. I remember the 
absolute temperature was -10 F (i had *never* experienced below temps before!). 
But with the winds off the Lake, chill factors were down to -25 F! Amazing 
stuff. Having lived there for a time, and having spent several visits there for 
my project, I was by then knowledgeable of how to dress: five layers of 
clothing on my torso (t-shirt, thermal shirt, flannel shirt, sweater, coat), 
thermal leggings underneath my jeans, thermal socks, two hats to enclose ears 
as well as head, full facial covering. 
Believe it or not, I actually walked around downtown for two hours in that. I 
was staying in a hotel near State street, so there was lots of stuff to see. 
A year ago I accompanied my wife to training in Boston in January, and temps 
dropped to 8 F, it snowed, and the winds were fierce. Really, really bad--but 
not as bad as that time in Chicago... 

- Original Message - 
From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:37:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it 

It's 6 degrees here in Chicago...rain...Hmph! 

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet 
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: 

From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 3:00 PM 

And here it'll be cloudy and rainy tonight in the ATL... :( 
Oh well, it's great to read about, and I really dig the different full moon 
names from Native culture. 

 * * 
http://news. yahoo.com/ s/space/20100129 /sc_space/ biggestandbright 
estfullmoonof201 0tonight 

http://www.space. com/spacewatch/ full-moon- names-2010- 100127.html 

Biggest and Brightest Full Moon of 2010 Tonight 
SPACE.com

A full moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in LondonReuters – A full 
moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in London January 1, 2010. 
REUTERS/Dylan Martinez … 
Robert Roy Britt 
Editorial Director 
SPACE.com Robert Roy Britt 
editorial Director 
space.com – Fri Jan 29, 7:45 am ET 

Tonight's full moon will be the biggest and brightest full moon of the year. It 
offers anyone with clear skies an opportunity to identify easy-to-see features 
on the moon. 
This being the first full moon of 2010, it is also known as the wolf moon, a 
moniker dating back to Native American culture and the notion that hungry 
wolves howled at the full moon on cold winter nights. Each month brings another 
full moon name . 
But why will this moon be bigger than others? Here's how the moon works : 
The moon is, on average, 238,855 miles (384,400 km) from Earth. The moon's 
orbit around Earth – which causes it to go through all its phases once every 
29.5 days – is not a perfect circle, but rather an ellipse. One side of the 
orbit is 31,070 miles (50,000 km) closer than the other. 
So in each orbit, the moon reaches this closest point to us, called perigee. 
Once or twice a year, perigee coincides with a full moon, as it will tonight, 
making the moon bigger and brighter than any other full moons during the year. 
Tonight it will be about 14 percent wider and 30 percent brighter than lesser 
full Moons of the year, according to Spaceweather. com . 
As a bonus, Mars will be just to the left of the moon tonight. Look for the 
reddish, star-like object. 
Full moon craziness 
Many people think full moons cause strange behavior among animals and even 
humans. In fact several studies over the years have tried to tie lunar phases 
to births, heart attacks, deaths, suicides, violence, psychiatric hospital 
admissions and epileptic seizures, and more. Connections have been inclusive or 
nonexistent. 
The moon does have some odd effects on our planet, and there are oodles of 
other amazing moon facts and misconceptions: 

• A full moon at perigee also brings higher ocean tides . This tug of the 
moon on Earth also creates tides in the planet's crust, not just in the oceans. 
• Beaches are more polluted during full moon, owing to the higher tides. 
• In reality, there's no such thing as a full moon. The full moon occurs 
when the sun, Earth and the moon are all lined up, almost. If they're perfectly 
aligned, Earth casts

Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

Yeah it used to air on Saturday nights, at 9 pm CST, I believe. I used to watch 
it all the time. 

- Original Message - 
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:17:23 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 

I forgot about Mannix! That was one of the first detective shows that I 
remember watching! I haven't seen any re-runs of that show though. It was on tv 
from 1968-75. 

According to wiki Gail Fisher won multiple Emmys for that show. 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 

Not bad at all. I also liked Teresa Graves (Get Christie Love) and Gail 
Fisher (Mannix) 

- Original Message - 
From: Tracey de Morsella  tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:31:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 

How come you guys never bring up Tamara Dobson (Cleopatra Jones). She sounds 
like she belongs in this group 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Dobson 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:51 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 

I was never enamored of Ms. Grier (sacrilege I know!), but poor Lisa Nicole 
Carson did it for me! Too bad she seems to be suffering from serious emotional 
problems. Nola Gaye, yes indeed. And let's not forget Lola Falana and Dianne 
Carroll. Oh--and Sofia Vergara from Modern Family. Wow, wow, wow! 

Halle who? 

- Original Message - 
From: C.W. Badie  astromancer2...@yahoo.com  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:40:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 

I've met and seen folk who look better naked and others who look great in 
clothes...Halle is the latter...Yeah, I know there are some who look great 
bothe ways...I am a school of the full-figured 60's and 70's genre No one 
mentioned Nola Gaye, Lisa Nicole Carson, Pam Grier (who does not need to be 
mentioned along with Raquel or Sophia) and a few other youngsters whom I have 
trouble remembering...Nope, didn't forget Tracey either (wink!)... 

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet 
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Kelwyn  ravena...@yahoo.com  wrote: 

From: Kelwyn  ravena...@yahoo.com  
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:48 AM 

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: 
  Rather than Berry, I humbly suggest looking up any movie with Selma Hayek 
in it--the dancing scene in that vampire movie alone is worth the price of ten 
shots of Berry's nekkid chest--this despite Hayek keeping her clothes on! Or 
anything that features Sanaa Lathan, she of the incredibly cute smile and 
dreamy eyes that just suck one in. Or anything with Gabrielle Union, face as 
pretty and perfect as a living doll's. Nia Long in Love Jones is just a treat 
to look at too --and it's a good movie to boot.  

I see you and raise you: 

~rave! 

-- 
Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Tamara Dobson

I never got that sensual/animal vibe from Pam Grier. I'm not blind to 
her...assets...but beyond the pure superficial physical stuff, it wasn't ever a 
big deal for me. 

- Original Message - 
From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:42:15 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Tamara Dobson 

Pam has a sensual/animal sexuality vibe. 
Tamara was tough but loyal. 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 

You mean she kept her clothes *on*? :) 

- Original Message - 
From: B Smith  daikaij...@yahoo.com  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:42:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Tamara Dobson 

Same here. 

She had a different aura than Pam. She was beautiful but didn't seem as 
accessible as Pam in some way. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 

 I was sad to hear that she died. I was a fan as a kid 

 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
 Behalf Of Kelwyn 
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:31 AM 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Tamara Dobson 

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: 
   How come you guys never bring up Tamara Dobson (Cleopatra Jones). She 
 sounds like she belongs in this group   
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Dobson  

 {{Bowing before the infinite wisdom of the Exalted List Goddess (we are not 
 worthy!)}} Oh my God! Tamara Dobson! I LOVE Tamara Dobson. She was a six 
 foot, two inch GODDESS! Ms. Dobson had such a strong grip on my psyche that 
 I created not one but TWO characters in homage to her: Akisha Dauphine 
 (Beautiful Princess) and Ashnan (the nourishing bread) Clythera (another 
 name for Aphrodite). 

 The only bitter sweet part of this reminiscence is discovering (today) that 
 Miss Dobson died in 2006 at age 62. 

 Let's pour a little wine for the Goddess who is no longer here. 

 http://farm1.static.flickr.com/77/185554733_72e5beeebe_o.jpg 

  http://farm1.static.flickr.com/77/185554733_72e5beeebe_o.jpg  

-- 
Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! 
Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Tamara Dobson

Um...Okay...So I don't think beyond the superficial...Don't have to when 
checking out the female form (especially Pam's)...recreational is the first 
consideration...Intellect is the plus!

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:


From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Tamara Dobson
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 5:08 PM


  




I never got that sensual/animal vibe from Pam Grier. I'm not blind to 
her...assets. ..but beyond the pure superficial physical stuff, it wasn't ever 
a big deal for me.

- Original Message -
From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 12:42:15 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Tamara Dobson

  



Pam has a sensual/animal sexuality vibe. 
Tamara was tough but loyal. 



On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:17 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net 
wrote:





You mean she kept her clothes *on*?   :)

- Original Message -
From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo. com
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:42:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Tamara Dobson

  



Same here. 

She had a different aura than Pam. She was beautiful but didn't seem as 
accessible as Pam in some way.

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote:

 I was sad to hear that she died. I was a fan as a kid
 
 
 
 From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On
 Behalf Of Kelwyn
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:31 AM
 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Tamara Dobson
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote:
   How come you guys never bring up Tamara Dobson (Cleopatra Jones). She
 sounds like she belongs in this group  
 http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Tamara_Dobson  
 
 
 
 
 
 {{Bowing before the infinite wisdom of the Exalted List Goddess (we are not
 worthy!)}} Oh my God! Tamara Dobson! I LOVE Tamara Dobson. She was a six
 foot, two inch GODDESS! Ms. Dobson had such a strong grip on my psyche that
 I created not one but TWO characters in homage to her: Akisha Dauphine
 (Beautiful Princess) and Ashnan (the nourishing bread) Clythera (another
 name for Aphrodite).
 
 
 
 
 
 The only bitter sweet part of this reminiscence is discovering (today) that
 Miss Dobson died in 2006 at age 62.
 
 
 
 
 
 Let's pour a little wine for the Goddess who is no longer here.
 
 
 
 
 
 http://farm1. static.flickr. com/77/185554733 _72e5beeebe_ o.jpg
 
 
 
 
 
 http://farm1. static.flickr. com/77/185554733 _72e5beeebe_ o.jpg









-- 
Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! 
Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it

No, my friend...cold in Chicago was -24 degrees with a -57 degree wind 
chill...THAT is cold...I was a cabbie at the time...Oh yeah, you forgot the 
scarf...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:


From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 4:40 PM


  




The coldest weather i've ever experienced was in Chi-town back in '97, when I 
was up working on a software project for my then employer. I remember the 
absolute temperature was -10 F (i had *never* experienced below temps before!). 
But with the winds off the Lake, chill factors were down to -25 F! Amazing 
stuff. Having lived there for a time, and having spent several visits there for 
my project, I was by then knowledgeable of how to dress: five layers of 
clothing on my torso (t-shirt, thermal shirt, flannel shirt, sweater, coat), 
thermal leggings underneath my jeans, thermal socks, two hats to enclose ears 
as well as head, full facial covering.
Believe it or not, I actually walked around downtown for two hours in that. I 
was staying in a hotel near State street, so there was lots of stuff to see.
A year ago I accompanied my wife to training in Boston in January, and temps 
dropped to 8 F, it snowed, and the winds were fierce. Really, really bad--but 
not as bad as that time in Chicago...

- Original Message -
From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:37:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular- -if you can 
see it

  







It's 6 degrees here in Chicago...rain. ..Hmph!

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote:


From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Subject: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular- -if you can see it
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 3:00 PM


  


And here it'll be cloudy and rainy tonight in the ATL...  :(
Oh well, it's great to read about, and I really dig the different full moon 
names from Native culture.

 * *
http://news. yahoo.com/ s/space/20100129 /sc_space/ biggestandbright 
estfullmoonof201 0tonight

http://www.space. com/spacewatch/ full-moon- names-2010- 100127.html


Biggest and Brightest Full Moon of 2010 Tonight




 Reuters – A full moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in London January 
1, 2010. REUTERS/Dylan Martinez  … 
Robert Roy Britt
Editorial Director
SPACE.com Robert Roy Britt
editorial Director
space.com – Fri Jan 29, 7:45 am ET

Tonight's full moon will be the biggest and brightest full moon of the year. It 
offers anyone with clear skies an opportunity to identify easy-to-see features 
on the moon.
This being the first full moon of 2010, it is also known as the wolf moon, a 
moniker dating back to Native American culture and the notion that hungry 
wolves howled at the full moon on cold winter nights. Each month brings another 
full moon name.
But why will this moon be bigger than others? Here's how the moon works:
The moon is, on average, 238,855 miles (384,400 km) from Earth. The moon's 
orbit around Earth – which causes it to go through all its phases once every 
29.5 days – is not a perfect circle, but rather an ellipse. One side of the 
orbit is 31,070 miles (50,000 km) closer than the other. 
So in each orbit, the moon reaches this closest point to us, called perigee. 
Once or twice a year, perigee coincides with a full moon, as it will tonight, 
making the moon bigger and brighter than any other full moons during the year.
Tonight it will be about 14 percent wider and 30 percent brighter than lesser 
full Moons of the year, according to Spaceweather. com.
As a bonus, Mars will be just to the left of the moon tonight. Look for the 
reddish, star-like object. 
Full moon craziness 
Many people think full moons cause strange behavior among animals and even 
humans. In fact several studies over the years have tried to tie lunar phases 
to births, heart attacks, deaths, suicides, violence, psychiatric hospital 
admissions and epileptic seizures, and more. Connections have been inclusive or 
nonexistent.
The moon does have some odd effects on our planet, and there are oodles of 
other amazing moon facts and misconceptions:

A full moon at perigee also brings higher ocean tides. This tug of the moon on 
Earth also creates tides in the planet's crust, not just in the oceans.
Beaches are more polluted during full moon, owing to the higher tides.
In reality, there's no such thing as a full moon. The full moon occurs when the 
sun, Earth and the moon

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sherlock Holmes

Agreed, and it's not a knock against Adams. She's just a young actress who 
comes off as a young woman in the movie. I like her as a person, i think she's 
very pretty, and I think she's a good actress--just wrong for the role. What a 
sad world we live in when they couldn't have gotten an actress closer to 
Downey's own age. 

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:30:02 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Sherlock Holmes 

Keith, Irene Adler, in the Holmes universe, is meant to be a woman of some 
years (not old, but experienced in the ways of the world), something McAdams 
couldn't hope to carry off. Casting works in mysterious (and incorrect) ways. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it

You forgot uphill...Both ways...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
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--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 4:29 PM

Ha-ha, I hear you! From Christmas until about the second week in January, it 
was dipping below 20 at night both here and back home in DFW. Daytime highs 
sometimes not above freezing, and it was windy to boot. Way too much cold for 
most of us!
And don't get me started on the saga of my car battery dying while I'm at home 
taking care of my flu-infected wife, and me having to tote it and a replacement 
to and from Sears, trudging half a mile each way in bone chilling cold, bearing 
that not insignificant weight!

- Original Message -
From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:37:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular- -if you can 
see it

It's 6 degrees here in Chicago...rain. ..Hmph!

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote:

From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Subject: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular- -if you can see it
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 3:00 PM

And here it'll be cloudy and rainy tonight in the ATL...  :(
Oh well, it's great to read about, and I really dig the different full moon 
names from Native culture.

 * *
http://news. yahoo.com/ s/space/20100129 /sc_space/ biggestandbright 
estfullmoonof201 0tonight

http://www.space. com/spacewatch/ full-moon- names-2010- 100127.html

Biggest and Brightest Full Moon of 2010 Tonight

 Reuters – A full moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in London January 
1, 2010. REUTERS/Dylan Martinez  … 
Robert Roy Britt
Editorial Director
SPACE.com Robert Roy Britt
editorial Director
space.com – Fri Jan 29, 7:45 am ET

Tonight's full moon will be the biggest and brightest full moon of the year. It 
offers anyone with clear skies an opportunity to identify easy-to-see features 
on the moon.
This being the first full moon of 2010, it is also known as the wolf moon, a 
moniker dating back to Native American culture and the notion that hungry 
wolves howled at the full moon on cold winter nights. Each month brings another 
full moon name.
But why will this moon be bigger than others? Here's how the moon works:
The moon is, on average, 238,855 miles (384,400 km) from Earth. The moon's 
orbit around Earth – which causes it to go through all its phases once every 
29.5 days – is not a perfect circle, but rather an ellipse. One side of the 
orbit is 31,070 miles (50,000 km) closer than the other. 
So in each orbit, the moon reaches this closest point to us, called perigee. 
Once or twice a year, perigee coincides with a full moon, as it will tonight, 
making the moon bigger and brighter than any other full moons during the year.
Tonight it will be about 14 percent wider and 30 percent brighter than lesser 
full Moons of the year, according to Spaceweather. com.
As a bonus, Mars will be just to the left of the moon tonight. Look for the 
reddish, star-like object. 
Full moon craziness 
Many people think full moons cause strange behavior among animals and even 
humans. In fact several studies over the years have tried to tie lunar phases 
to births, heart attacks, deaths, suicides, violence, psychiatric hospital 
admissions and epileptic seizures, and more. Connections have been inclusive or 
nonexistent.
The moon does have some odd effects on our planet, and there are oodles of 
other amazing moon facts and misconceptions:

A full moon at perigee also brings higher ocean tides. This tug of the moon on 
Earth also creates tides in the planet's crust, not just in the oceans.
Beaches are more polluted during full moon, owing to the higher tides.
In reality, there's no such thing as a full moon. The full moon occurs when the 
sun, Earth and the moon are all lined up, almost. If they're perfectly aligned, 
Earth casts a shadow on the moon and there's a total lunar eclipse. So during 
what we call a full moon, the moon's face is actually slightly less than 100 
percent illuminated.
The moon is moving away as you read this, by about 1.6 inches (4 cm) a year.
The moon illusion
Finally, be sure to get out and see the full moon as it rises, right around 
sunset. Along the horizon, the moon tends to seem even bigger. This is just an 
illusion. 
You can prove to yourself that this is an illusion. Taking a small object such 
as a pencil eraser, hold it at arm's length

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series

Well, is this whole thing about having done it all before supposed to refer to 
alternative realities/possibilies, or a spiritual recycling of reality? If the 
latter, then that would explain away any scientific arguments--all you have 
to do then is believe in a god! :) 

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 4:42:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

The writers ahve never seen quantum number theory in all its glory. Mind you, 
if they had, they'd be drooling into their water cups at the Home for the 
Insane. 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: hellomahog...@gmail.com 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0800 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

What didn't make sense was how could the same people exist over again and 
again? How can you have Starbuck exist multiple times with a ship of the exact 
same technology? That alone would be so astronomical that there isn't enough 
room on earth to have space for the zeros. 

Just the sheer randomness of the world allow us to exist. However even if you 
were to have the same people get together in chronological order over and over 
again to create you it may not happen. 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Tracey de Morsella  
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com  wrote: 

That the cycle repeats over and over again is what I was thinking 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:35 PM 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

They were saying that the original creator of the cylons was also a cylon in 
the original show. (Ti's wife which didn't fit.) They made it seem like it was 
probably something that happened or happens over and over again with humans. 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tracey de Morsella  
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com  wrote: 

That it has happened before has got me too. I believe it is the tie in to BSG 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:30 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being 
told that we haven't seen before. I am wondering if they are going to explain 
the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. 

Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella  
tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com  wrote: 

I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and 
even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was 
really good. 

That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to 
BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw 
Moore's Space show. 

I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling 
regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on 
ratings? 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of B Smith 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

Three. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: 

 That's two of us, Bosco. 

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 From: ironpi...@... 
 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

 BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. 

 B 

 --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 

 From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... 
 Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New 
SF Series 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' 
ggs...@... 
 Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM 

 What do you think. I'm still smarting 
 from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story

Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it

Even in one of those Chicago winter??

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 4:26 PM

It was already cloudy here, or maybe I was just groggy from having to drive all 
the way up to Alpharetta in the pre-dawn cold, and just didn't notice.  Nah, 
can't be that: i never fail to notice the moon and stars, no matter how tired i 
am.

- Original Message -
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com
To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular- -if you can 
see it

Keith, I glimpsed the Moon this morning when I was putting the trash out for 
pickup, and it was a whopper then, just barely above the treetops. Despite the 
cold, I stood and stared.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series

In the last few years, I bought a house, lost my mother, my wife's mother, my 
sister has fought two bouts with cancer, I got a boss I despised at my old job, 
then lost that job because of him, spent most of a year unemployed, helped my 
older brother convalesce from back surgery, and had to deal with a diagnosis of 
Type 2 diabetes. 
Not to be depressing and all, but there were times I was pulled in so many 
directions, that even my years long Friday night scifi fix suffered. I catch an 
ep of BSG here, record one there, then just forget or get behind, never to 
catch back up. Also--and this is really major for me, the original fan of 
serious scifi--I think the BSG theme started weighing on me a bit. It's a great 
show with its serious tone, its dark themes. But I noticed that it always 
seemed i was trying to watch a recording of it at night, and the darkness of 
the show--literal and figurative--seemed to make me feel a bit down. 
I guess that's my typically long winded way of saying it was a bit heavy for me 
during times when i have dealt with a lot of emotional stress. Again, that's 
unheard for me. I kept up on the Stargates, Star Trek reruns, etc., but never 
got back to BSG. I think I'm at a point where I'm ready to catch up now. 

- Original Message - 
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:47:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 









Had I known what I know now, I probably would not have seen the Finale. Why did 
you miss the finale? You were one season behind right? You will probably like 
Caprica, because you do not have the bitter aftertaste of the finale. Lucky 
you. I think it’s a pretty good show. I’m a fan of Esai Morales and Eric 
Stolze, and they put some effort into this. Moore is not attached, as far as I 
know. So, despite its origins, I hope it does well 



Speaking of Enterprise. One storyline that surprised me in its depth was the 
ongoing saga with the Andorians and The captain’s evolving relationship with 
their leader. I really liked that 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:21 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 









I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune? 
Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour 
marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time travel 
saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in time to a 
Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox is kidnapped 
by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the Augment DNA, which is 
changing its victims into the more human looking klingons of Kirk's early 
years. 

- Original Message - 
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 






I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and 
even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was 
really good. 

That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to 
BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw 
Moore's Space show. 

I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling 
regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on 
ratings? 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of B Smith 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

Three. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: 
 
 
 That's two of us, Bosco. 
 
 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 
 
 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 
 
 
 
 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 From: ironpi...@... 
 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. 
 
 B 
 
 --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 
 
 From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... 
 Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New 
SF Series 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' 
ggs...@...

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

(Groan)

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
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--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:19 PM

You mean the Deadliest Warrior? Love that show

- Original Message -
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com
To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:58:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

Whatever happened to consultants who know what actual combat from that era 
looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on The Ultimate 
Warrior.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael 
Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them 
at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) 
Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. 

The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use 
of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the 
shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. 

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com wrote:

All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with 
slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of 300. There was 
a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM

If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out 
and buy 300 than to subscribe to Showtime.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

All hail Spartacus! :) 

I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot 
this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight 
scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is 
slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. 

Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the 
dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't 
think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going 
to make the serious action into gore porn. 

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote:

 (standing ovation)

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

 From: KeithBJohnson@ ...
 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 +
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

 Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's 
 intentional. In Hercules and Xena, for example, the anachronistic 
 language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, 
 was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said Dude. But 
 Spartacus, from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just 
 can't get past such gaffes.
 I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. 
 I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if 
 they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, 
 the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always 
 irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written 
 drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a 
 young person ask another How's it going?
 Lazy...

 - Original

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Tamara Dobson

No...she took some off...I'd say we just saw less of her on screen...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:

From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Tamara Dobson
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:17 PM

You mean she kept her clothes *on*?   :)

- Original Message -
From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo. com
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:42:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Tamara Dobson

Same here. 

She had a different aura than Pam. She was beautiful but didn't seem as 
accessible as Pam in some way.

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote:

 I was sad to hear that she died. I was a fan as a kid

 From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On
 Behalf Of Kelwyn
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:31 AM
 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Tamara Dobson

 --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote:
   How come you guys never bring up Tamara Dobson (Cleopatra Jones). She
 sounds like she belongs in this group  
 http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Tamara_Dobson  

 {{Bowing before the infinite wisdom of the Exalted List Goddess (we are not
 worthy!)}} Oh my God! Tamara Dobson! I LOVE Tamara Dobson. She was a six
 foot, two inch GODDESS! Ms. Dobson had such a strong grip on my psyche that
 I created not one but TWO characters in homage to her: Akisha Dauphine
 (Beautiful Princess) and Ashnan (the nourishing bread) Clythera (another
 name for Aphrodite).

 The only bitter sweet part of this reminiscence is discovering (today) that
 Miss Dobson died in 2006 at age 62.

 Let's pour a little wine for the Goddess who is no longer here.

 http://farm1. static.flickr. com/77/185554733 _72e5beeebe_ o.jpg

 http://farm1. static.flickr. com/77/185554733 _72e5beeebe_ o.jpg

Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

What I remember of Mannix was he got the crap beat out of him just about every 
other week...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
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--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:17 PM


  



I forgot about Mannix! That was one of the first detective shows that I 
remember watching!  I haven't seen any re-runs of that show though. It was on 
tv from 1968-75. 

According to wiki Gail Fisher won multiple Emmys for that show. 


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net 
wrote:





Not bad at all. I also liked Teresa Graves (Get Christie Love) and Gail 
Fisher (Mannix)

- Original Message -
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:31:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

  





How come you guys never bring up Tamara Dobson (Cleopatra Jones).  She sounds 
like she belongs  in this group
http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Tamara_Dobson
 


From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:51 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
 





I was never enamored of Ms. Grier (sacrilege I know!), but poor Lisa Nicole 
Carson did it for me! Too bad she seems to be suffering from serious emotional 
problems. Nola Gaye, yes indeed. And let's not forget Lola Falana and Dianne 
Carroll. Oh--and Sofia Vergara from  Modern Family. Wow, wow, wow!

Halle who?

- Original Message -
From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:40:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

  







I've met and seen folk who look better naked and others who look great in 
clothes...Halle is the latter...Yeah, I know there are some who look great 
bothe ways...I am a school of the full-figured 60's and 70's genre No one 
mentioned Nola Gaye, Lisa Nicole Carson, Pam Grier (who does not need to be 
mentioned along with Raquel or Sophia) and a few other youngsters whom I have 
trouble remembering. ..Nope, didn't forget Tracey either (wink!)...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
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--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com wrote:

From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:48 AM

  


--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote:  
 Rather than Berry, I humbly suggest looking up any movie with Selma Hayek in 
it--the dancing scene in that vampire movie alone is worth the price of ten 
shots of Berry's nekkid chest--this despite Hayek keeping her clothes on! Or 
anything that features Sanaa Lathan, she of the incredibly cute smile and 
dreamy eyes that just suck one in. Or anything with Gabrielle Union, face as 
pretty and perfect as a living doll's. Nia Long in Love Jones is just a treat 
to look at too --and it's a good movie to boot.  

I see you and raise you:





~rave!






 













-- 
Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! 
Mahogany at: http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/mahogany_ pleasures_ of_darkness/

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series

I agree. There was one season where it was heart wrenching to watch, but I
also believe that it was necessary on some level. The best writing that they
did in the entire series was during that time frame.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 In the last few years, I bought a house,  lost my mother, my wife's mother,
 my sister has fought two bouts with cancer, I got a boss I despised at my
 old job, then lost that job because of him, spent most of a year unemployed,
 helped my older brother convalesce from back surgery, and had to deal with a
 diagnosis of Type 2 diabetes.
 Not to be depressing and all, but there were times I was pulled in so many
 directions, that even my years long Friday night scifi fix suffered. I catch
 an ep of BSG here, record one there, then just forget or get behind, never
 to catch back up. Also--and this is really major for me, the original fan of
 serious scifi--I think the BSG theme started weighing on me a bit. It's a
 great show with its serious tone, its dark themes. But I noticed that it
 always seemed i was trying to watch a recording of it at night, and the
 darkness of the show--literal and figurative--seemed to make me feel a bit
 down.
 I guess that's my typically long winded way of saying it was a bit heavy
 for me during times when i have dealt with a lot of emotional stress. Again,
 that's unheard for me.  I kept up on the Stargates, Star Trek reruns, etc.,
 but never got back to BSG. I think I'm at a point where I'm ready to catch
 up now.


 - Original Message -
 From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:47:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most
 Promising New SF Series



  Had I known what I know now, I probably would not have seen the Finale.
 Why did you miss the finale? You were one season behind right?You will
 probably like Caprica, because you do not have the bitter aftertaste of the
 finale.  Lucky you.  I think it’s a pretty good show.  I’m a fan of Esai
 Morales and Eric Stolze, and they put some effort into this.  Moore is not
 attached, as far as I know.  So, despite its origins, I hope it does well



 Speaking of Enterprise.  One storyline that surprised me in its depth was
 the ongoing saga with the Andorians and The captain’s evolving relationship
 with their leader. I really liked that



 *From:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] *On
 Behalf Of *Keith Johnson
 *Sent:* Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:21 PM

 *To:* scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 *Subject:* Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most
 Promising New SF Series






  I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune?
 Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour
 marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time
 travel saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in
 time to a Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox
 is kidnapped by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the
 Augment DNA, which is changing its victims into the more human looking
 klingons of Kirk's early years.


 - Original Message -
 From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most
 Promising New SF Series



 I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and
 even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was
 really good.

 That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to
 BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw
 Moore's Space show.

 I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling
 regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on
 ratings?

 -Original Message-
 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:
 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com] On
 Behalf Of B Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising
 New SF Series

 Three.

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Martin
 Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote:
 
 
  That's two of us, Bosco.
 
  If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
 bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
 
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
 
 
 
 
  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com
  From: ironpi...@...
  Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800
  Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sherlock Holmes

His character may have been working on theories of self defense. Fighting on
one level is cold and calculated. Boxing is called the sweet science.

I always believed that Holmes was exploring the physical limits of the human
body in addition to his logical pursuits.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 I've never read any of the stories, so wondered about Watson's fiance as
 well. Is she in the books? I liked her personality too.
 Given that Holmes is a student of--everything--his Eastern fighting ability
 didn't bother me. That is, it didn't bother me once i got over the shock of
 seeing Holmes portrayed as a brawler of any kind. I always pictured him as
 being less physical. I mean, I can see him fighting when necessary, and
 doing so with cool efficiency. I'd liken Holmes the fighter to a Vulcan:
 incredibly good, but only doing what's necessary to end a fight, moves
 calculated and struck with an economy of motion and a maximum of effort. I
 remember watching one of the rare times Voyager allowed martial arts
 master Tuvok to fight, and he was amazing, moving in swift circles of motion
 to dispatch his opponents, but always in control. So I could see someone
 like Holmes having studied Indian fighting styles (since kung fu is said to
 have its roots there), as well as Chinese and Japanese arts. I'd have
 expected a bit more of the soft stuff: judo and aikido to redirect his
 opponent's power, rather than a reliance on so much hard fighting, as
 efficient as it was.

 But the way they had him show a side of barely contained rage threw me. It
 wasn't so much *how* he fought, but *why* he fought that confused me. Is
 that Ritchie's take, a redoing of Holmes, or is it true to the books?


 - Original Message -
 From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:07:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sherlock Holmes



 I have to agree with you about Rachel McAdams.

 Another character that no one has mentioned yet was Mrs. Watson. She seemed
 to maybe be spunkier than she lets on. I was half expecting her to show up
 in a fight scene.

 One thing that I found interesting was the Holmes fu. His fighting style
 was very martial arts like rather than British fisticuffs and Wrassling
 styles of the day.


 On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Keith Johnson 
 keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:



 I thought they were overplaying Holmes as the crazy man-of-action at the
 beginning. The cage match and the unkempt Holmes were a bit much at first,
 and I was seriously missing the deductive reasoning parts. But later in, the
 movie settled in to give us more of Holmes the detective--and of course, the
 point was to show how incredibly out of sorts he was without a challenging
 case to focus his vast mental energies. Once he started doing some sleuthing
 I was pleasantly surprised too. It was paced well, I liked the way they
 reproduced England, the action was good, the villain good, the music was
 very impressive. And Law as Watson is probably closer to the book than the
 more aged, sidekicks of the movie.

 My only slight complaint was that Rachel McAdams seemed just a tad too
 young and slight of personality to play Holmes' untrustworthy lover. I'd
 have preferred a slightly older, stronger actress in the role. But no real
 big issue there.
 My wife and I both liked it, moreso as we discussed it this past weekend.
 Indeed, I wouldn't mind seeing it again. And boy did they leave things open
 for a sequel!


 - Original Message -
 From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:39:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sherlock Holmes



 That was my first thoughts too. Now I'm glad that I saw it.

 I just hope that they don't try to take two different actors and turn it
 into a tv show.

 On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote:

 The reviews were pretty good. It was more griping from true fans over
 Ritchie's take. Turns out it was the fans of the movie Sherlock Holmes
 series and not the Holmes of the books. They thought his style and
 storytelling didn't mesh with Sherlock Holmes. Boy were they wrong. Ritchie
 did his homework by going to the source material and delivered an
 entertaining and exciting film.

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@...
 wrote:
 
  I read all good reviews.  I'm dying to see it.  What did you hear?

 
  -Original Message-
  From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com]
 On
  Behalf Of B Smith
  Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 8:56 AM
  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Sherlock Holmes
 
  I don't know why this movie got so much flack at first. It's was very
 good
  and Downey and Law were excellent.
 
  Guy Ritchie has his golden ticket to A list

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

Conclusion...blood and sand are the main characters of the show...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
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--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:47 PM

Yeah, I noticed that. Thought my TV was off-tune, then remembered that it is 
barely five months old. And the consistency of the blood was closer to Kool-Aid 
at times.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:23:52 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

They were also playing around with the coloring of it as well. Especially 
towards the end where it went from red to off red.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com 
wrote:

More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head lost a 
pint easy.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with 
slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of 300. There was 
a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM

If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out 
and buy 300 than to subscribe to Showtime.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

All hail Spartacus! :) 

I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot 
this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight 
scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is 
slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. 

Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the 
dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't 
think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going 
to make the serious action into gore porn. 

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote:

 (standing ovation)

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 From: KeithBJohnson@ ...
 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 +
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

 Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's 
 intentional. In Hercules and Xena, for example, the anachronistic 
 language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, 
 was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said Dude. But 
 Spartacus, from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just 
 can't get past such gaffes.
 I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. 
 I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if 
 they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, 
 the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always 
 irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written 
 drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a 
 young person ask another How's it going?
 Lazy...

 - Original Message -
 From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ ...
 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2]

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Alien Life May Be on Earth: Scientist

I've seen the commercials, but they never inspired me to watch the show 
proper...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
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--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Alien Life May Be on Earth: Scientist
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:21 PM


  



Andromeda strain is a plausible story. They have been theorizing that life 
started on this planet from an microbe that made it here from space. Plus we 
have rocks from pieces of Mars on the north pole.

There's a new show coming on called Meteor men. Anyone seen the commercials for 
it? http://www.meteorit emen.com/


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com wrote:

I saw this in the newspaper today (yeah, I'm old school like that) and the 
notion both intrigues and fascinates me.  The idea of microscopic life has 
intrigued writers for centuries.  I think of Horton Hears a Who or the money 
shot at the end of Men in Black off the top of my head. Imagine, as we live 
on earth, civilizations may live on (and in) us.

~rave!

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ ... wrote:

 Alien Life May Be on Earth: ScientistAre aliens already among us?
 http://omnikool. discovery. com/RealMedia/ ads/click_ lx.ads/news. 
 discovery. com/space/ alien-life- microbes- earth.html/ 211439930/ 
 Top3/default/ empty.gif/ 67504861466b7454 4355344143765a37 ?x
  Tue Jan 26, 2010 01:59 PM ET | content provided by Raphael G. Satter,
 Associated Press
  [image: Alien Life May Be on Earth: Scientist]

 According to Paul Davies, an award-winning Arizona State University
 physicist, alien life could be lurking right under our noses -- or even in
 our noses.
 *Getty Images*

 *THE GIST:*

    - *Some microbes here on Earth may have originated in space, according to
    one scientist.*
    - *Proving that some life forms on Earth are of alien origin would be
    fraught with difficulties. *


  - -

 For the past 50 years, scientists have scoured the skies for radio signals
 from beyond our planet, hoping for some sign of extraterrestrial
 lifehttp://news. discovery. com/earth/ its-the-end- of-the-world- 
 its-an-alien- invasion- no-its-a- cloud.html.
 But one physicist says there's no reason alien life couldn't already be
 lurking among us -- or maybe even in us.

 Paul Davies, an award-winning Arizona State University physicist known for
 his popular science writing said Tuesday that life may have developed on
 Earth not once but several times.

 Davies said the variant life forms -- most likely tiny microbes -- could
 still be hanging around right under our noses -- or even in our noses.

 How do we know all life on Earth descended from a single origin? he told a
 conference at London's prestigious Royal Society, which serves as Britain's
 academy of sciences. We've just scratched the surface of the microbial
 world.

 The idea that alien micro-organisms could be hiding out here on Earth has
 been discussed for a while, according to Jill Tarter, the director of the
 U.S. SETI project, which listens for signals from civilizations based around
 distant stars.

 She said several of the scientists involved in the project were interested
 in pursuing the notion, which Davies earlier laid out in a 2007 article
 published in *Scientific American* in which he asked: Are aliens among us?

 So far, there's no answer. And ever finding one would be fraught with
 difficulties, as Davies himself acknowledged.

 Unusual organisms abound -- including chemical-eating bacteria which hide
 out deep in the ocean and organisms that thrive in boiling-hot springs --
 but that doesn't mean they're different life forms entirely.

 How weird do they have to be to suggest a second genesis as opposed to just
 an obscure branch of the family tree? he said. Davies suggested that the
 only way to prove an organism wasn't life as we know it was if it were
 built using exotic elements which no other form of life had.
  [image: garbage]
 *WATCH VIDEO: Will the real ET be little green men or little green bacteria?
 * http://news. discovery. com/videos/ space-alien- speculation. html

 *Related Links:*
  - -


    - *Alien Abductions: Idiocy of the Worst
 Kind*http://news. discovery. com/space/ alien-abductions -idiocy-of- 
 the-worst- kind.html
    - *Man Looks for Aliens, Loses
 Job*http://news. discovery. com/space/ man-looks- for-aliens- loses-job. 
 html
    - *HowStuffWorks. com:
 Aliens*http://science. howstuffworks. com/alien- physiology. htm
    - *Kepler Telescope to Scout for Alien
 Worlds*http://news. discovery. com/space/ kepler-telescope -alien-life. html


  - -

 Such organisms have yet to be found. Davies also noted that less than 1
 percent of all the world's bacteria had been

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

...With a 50% loss on the stab in the back...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:04 PM

More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head lost a 
pint easy.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with 
slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of 300. There was 
a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM

If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out 
and buy 300 than to subscribe to Showtime.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

All hail Spartacus! :) 

I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot 
this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight 
scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is 
slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. 

Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the 
dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't 
think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going 
to make the serious action into gore porn. 

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote:

 (standing ovation)

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 From: KeithBJohnson@ ...
 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 +
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

 Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's 
 intentional. In Hercules and Xena, for example, the anachronistic 
 language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, 
 was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said Dude. But 
 Spartacus, from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just 
 can't get past such gaffes.
 I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. 
 I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if 
 they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, 
 the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always 
 irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written 
 drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a 
 young person ask another How's it going?
 Lazy...

 - Original Message -
 From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ ...
 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

 Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a 
 similar word back then. 

 On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote:

 Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus?

 - Original Message -
 From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ...

 To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern

 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

 Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly

RE: [scifinoir2] Pluto's Little Sister Found?

I'll be waiting...
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--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Pluto's Little Sister Found?
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:02 PM

And, as for print, I'm gonna have to go self-publishing, as soon as the 
dominoes are all in place.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:27:26 -0800
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Pluto's Little Sister Found?

...And I'll still be here griping about when you and Kieth are going to put 
your stuff in print...Pretend you didn't hear that...as usual...

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--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Pluto's Little Sister Found?
To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:22 PM

I'm gonna have to start writing space-based fiction again, just to use some of 
the stuff that popping out of the woodwork.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:54:09 -0800
Subject: [scifinoir2] Pluto's Little Sister Found?

Pluto's Little Sister Found?
When it comes to objects in the Kuiper Belt, the vast, icy ring that encircles 
our solar system, size matters.

By Irene Klotz | Mon Jan 25, 2010 01:49 PM ET 

 The smallest object ever found in the Kuiper Belt, a vast, icy ring that 
encircles our solar system, helps to explain how these debris disks are formed.
NASA, ESA, and G. Bacon (STScI)

THE GIST: 

An icy body one-third of a mile wide is the smallest known object ever found in 
the Kuiper Belt.
The Kuiper Belt is a vast, icy ring just beyond Neptune that encircles the 
solar system.
The discovery links solar system formation to planet-forming debris disks 
around other stars.

The frozen worlds orbiting beyond Neptune include not only dwarf planets like 
Pluto and Ceres, but also a tiny, icy toehold just one-third of a mile wide.
The discovery, made by a team of astronomers scouring Hubble Space Telescope 
observations, sets a new record for the smallest Kuiper Belt object found. 
Previously, the smallest known Pluto sibling was a 30-mile-wide Kuiper Belt 
object.
The Kuiper Belt region, located about 4.6 billion miles away, is filled with 
objects believed to be left over from the solar system's formation. It is 
similar to the asteroid belt, located between Mars and Jupiter, but much 
bigger. Unlike the asteroids that contain rock and metals, Kuiper Belt objects 
have icy bodies of methane, ammonia, water and other volatiles.
The Kuiper Belt is particularly interesting to scientists looking for planetary 
systems beyond our solar system. Planets are believed to form from collapsing 
disks of gas and dust orbiting stars.
The dusty particles begin to stick together and eventually build up larger 
objects. Not all make it into planets. It's the leftover ones are what we're 
seeing when we look at Kuiper Belt objects and asteroids, University of 
Arizona astronomer John Stansberry told Discovery News.
The finding of a very small Kuiper Belt object links our solar system's debris 
disk to those observed around other stars, added University of Toronto's Hilke 
Schlichting, who led the team that made the discovery.
We can observe micron-sized particles (in extrasolar debris disks), which are 
thought to be induced by collisions, from grinding down larger objects, 
Schlichting told Discovery News. By finding this evidence for collision 
grinding in the Kuiper Belt, it seems to be the missing link between our Kuiper 
Belt and extrasolar debris disks.
When it comes to Kuiper Belt objects, size matters. Scientists can use this 
information to determine an object's density and what it is made from. In 
larger bodies, gravity plays the dominant role in shaping objects. In smaller 
ones, it is the strength of its materials that matters.

WATCH VIDEO: Astrophysicist Andy Puckett explores the universe, especially 
undiscovered asteroids that could one day smack into our planet. Related Links: 

Taking the Kuiper Belt Census
Wide Angle: Asteroids
HowStuffWorks. com: Kuiper Belt
Pluto, Sponsored By McDonalds 

The discovery of just one small object is probably not going to lead to great 
advances. But if we started to

RE: [scifinoir2] Question

Sorry, bud, BYOK...

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--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Question
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:00 PM

Did they supply Kevlar, pal?

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:32:04 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Question

Hmm...Sounds like a Chuckie Cheese birthday party I went to once...

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--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com wrote:

From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Question
To: Black SciFi blackscifihorrorfan tasyclub@ yahoogroups. com
Cc: Sci Fi scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 7:16 AM

has anyone seen this movie Gas-s-s-s-s that is on retroplex right now?  it's 
about kids taking over the world after a mysterious gas kills everyone over 
25.  it is simply stupid, but funny.  roger corman of course.  they just had a 
scene in the junk yard where they were shooting at each other calling out old 
movie star names with all the sound effects of guns shooting, but they were not 
shooting.  the guys were falling like they had been shot, but it was hilarious!

Fate.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

Why consult when you can (gush!)?

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--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 2:58 PM

Whatever happened to consultants who know what actual combat from that era 
looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on The Ultimate 
Warrior.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael 
Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them 
at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) 
Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. 

The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use 
of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the 
shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. 

On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com wrote:

All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with 
slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of 300. There was 
a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
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--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM

If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out 
and buy 300 than to subscribe to Showtime.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

All hail Spartacus! :) 

I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot 
this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight 
scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is 
slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. 

Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the 
dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't 
think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going 
to make the serious action into gore porn. 

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote:

 (standing ovation)

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

 From: KeithBJohnson@ ...
 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 +
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

 Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's 
 intentional. In Hercules and Xena, for example, the anachronistic 
 language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, 
 was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said Dude. But 
 Spartacus, from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just 
 can't get past such gaffes.
 I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. 
 I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if 
 they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, 
 the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always 
 irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written 
 drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a 
 young person ask another How's it going?
 Lazy...

 - Original Message -
 From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ ...

 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

 Nope... they say

RE: [scifinoir2] Tom Cruise Shocks Oprah (gif)

Wow...I surely thought the Germans would appreciate an approach to mental 
health created by a science fiction writer...Or was I mistaken?

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--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:


From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Tom Cruise Shocks Oprah (gif)
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 2:41 PM


  



And now, we know why Germany has banned Scientology. ..



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Re: [scifinoir2] Tom Cruise Shocks Oprah (gif)

Nope. They are very strict on it too. Chick Corea was banned from Germany
because he is a scientologist as well. As well as others. Basically any
members of a unofficial religion is blacklisted. Its a bit draconian but I
see their point of view after having to deal with the legacy of Hitler.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:46 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.comwrote:



 Wow...I surely thought the Germans would appreciate an approach to mental
 health created by a science fiction writer...Or was I mistaken?

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 From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

 --- On *Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com* wrote:


 From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Tom Cruise Shocks Oprah (gif)
 To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 2:41 PM


 And now, we know why Germany has banned Scientology. ..

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

Enamored or not, we were all 'affected' by these women...

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--- On Wed, 1/27/10, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: B Smith daikaij...@yahoo.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 9:45 AM

LOL. The scary thing is that Pam apparently had a sister who looked exactly 
liker her. So God made two of them.

Lisa Nicole Carson and Nona Gaye. *SMH* I hope they both overcome their demons. 
I'd love to see these ladies act again.

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@. .. wrote:

 --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@  wrote:

  I was never enamored of Ms. Grier 

 =:0

 Mr. Johnson, as it is my policy NEVER to duel with an unarmed man so, I will 
 never engage you in this conversation, again!

 ~(no)rave!

Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

...Who?

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--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote:


From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:45 PM


  




Yeah man! Does it for me way more than Halle Berry.

- Original Message -
From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:04:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

  







(sigh) He said Nia long...(sigh)

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--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote:


From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 3:02 PM


  


Doesn't do a lot for me. I stand by the women I listed below as being prettier, 
sexier, and more attractive in personality.
But that's just me, this is truly a matter of personal taste.

- Original Message -
From: Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo. com
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 3:48:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

  



--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote:  
 Rather than Berry, I humbly suggest looking up any movie with Selma Hayek in 
it--the dancing scene in that vampire movie alone is worth the price of ten 
shots of Berry's nekkid chest--this despite Hayek keeping her clothes on! Or 
anything that features Sanaa Lathan, she of the incredibly cute smile and 
dreamy eyes that just suck one in. Or anything with Gabrielle Union, face as 
pretty and perfect as a living doll's. Nia Long in Love Jones is just a treat 
to look at too --and it's a good movie to boot.  
I see you and raise you:


~rave!

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

Okay, I missed the Michael J. move...But I beg to differ on the use of the 
green screen...I've noticed SyFy's Sacuary and other like shows have been using 
g.s. backgrounds since Gemini Division aired...The trend of cheap production to 
come?

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
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--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:53 PM


  



You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael 
Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them 
at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) 
Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. 

The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use 
of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the 
shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. 


On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com wrote:








All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with 
slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of 300. There was 
a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies...


Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com wrote:


From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com

Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM


  


If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out 
and buy 300 than to subscribe to Showtime.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

  



All hail Spartacus! :) 

I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot 
this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight 
scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is 
slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. 

Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the 
dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't 
think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going 
to make the serious action into gore porn. 


--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote:

 
 (standing ovation)
 
 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
 hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
 
 http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik
 
 
 
 
 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

 From: KeithBJohnson@ ...
 Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 +
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's 
 intentional. In Hercules and Xena, for example, the anachronistic 
 language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, 
 was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said Dude. But 
 Spartacus, from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just 
 can't get past such gaffes.
 I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. 
 I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if 
 they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, 
 the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always 
 irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written 
 drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a 
 young person ask another How's it going?
 Lazy...
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ ...

 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a 
 similar word back then. 
 
 
 On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus?
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Martin

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?

I guess that you didn't read the post about them auctioning off the Stargate
sets? That is a clear sign that they are moving in that direction. Green
screen can open up a lot of flexibility for them though. It just takes money
and rendering time to do it.

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:41 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.comwrote:



 Okay, I missed the Michael J. move...But I beg to differ on the use of the
 green screen...I've noticed SyFy's Sacuary and other like shows have been
 using g.s. backgrounds since Gemini Division aired...The trend of cheap
 production to come?

 Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
 From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

 --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com* wrote:


 From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:53 PM


 You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael
 Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept
 them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg
 chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly.

 The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the
 use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most
 of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot.

 On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ 
 yahoo.comhttp://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=astromancer2...@yahoo.com
  wrote:



   All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!),
 with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of 300.
 There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there
 bodies...


 Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
 From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

 --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ 
 hotmail.comhttp://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@hotmail.com
 * wrote:


 From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ 
 hotmail.comhttp://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@hotmail.com


 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
 To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro 
 ups.comhttp://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com
 
 Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM


  If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to
 go out and buy 300 than to subscribe to Showtime.

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
 bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 http://www.youtube. com/watch? 
 v=fQUxw9aUVikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




 --
 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com

 From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
 Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 +
 Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?


   All hail Spartacus! :)

 I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that
 shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this.
 The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when
 everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter
 makes it laughable.

 Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus
 is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in
 it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that
 they were going to make the serious action into gore porn.

 --- In scifino...@yahoogro 
 ups.comhttp://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com,
 Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote:
 
 
  (standing ovation)
 
  If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
 bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant
 
  http://www.youtube. com/watch? 
  v=fQUxw9aUVikhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
 
 
 
 
  To: scifino...@yahoogro 
  ups.comhttp://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com

  From: KeithBJohnson@ ...
  Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 +
  Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Spartacus: Blood and Sand - Any good?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless
 it's intentional. In Hercules and Xena, for example, the anachronistic
 language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example,
 was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said Dude. But
 Spartacus, from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just
 can't get past such gaffes.
  I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical
 dramas. I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically
 as if they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series

Wow. I guess I'll catch up on the last two seasons of BSG in the next few 
weeks. More later 

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:16:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

Don't count yourself that lucky, my friend. You're a man of discrimination and 
taste. You will throw up a little in your mouth at the viewing. 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:21:10 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune? 
Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour 
marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time travel 
saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in time to a 
Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox is kidnapped 
by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the Augment DNA, which is 
changing its victims into the more human looking klingons of Kirk's early 
years. 

- Original Message - 
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and 
even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was 
really good. 

That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to 
BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw 
Moore's Space show. 

I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling 
regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on 
ratings? 

-Original Message- 
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of B Smith 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

Three. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: 

 That's two of us, Bosco. 

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 

 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
 From: ironpi...@... 
 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

 BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. 

 B 

 --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 

 From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... 
 Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New 
SF Series 
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' 
ggs...@... 
 Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM 

 What do you think. I'm still smarting 
 from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was 
blended 
 into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 

 5 
 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series 

 This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica 
 spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years 
 before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this 
 series could become a classic. 

 Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least 
 of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still 
smarting 
 from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that 
Caprica 
 might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are 
these: Caprica 
 is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it 
is 
 the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 

 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding 

 As I wrote 
 a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica 
City 
 and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a 
 culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely 
liberal, 
 but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. 
Unlike 
 most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is 
 the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us

Re: [scifinoir2] Brittany Murphy's Husband Denies Rumours around Deaths

Very odd stuff, though her mother being such a staunch defender says something 
interesting... 

- Original Message - 
From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:19:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Brittany Murphy's Husband Denies Rumours around 
Deaths 

Keith, everything I've heard about her husband is that he ran to the shady 
side. That claim is a longshot at best. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Brittany Murphy's Husband Denies Rumours around Deaths

Great comparison, I hadn't thought of that. Odd: people spend so much time 
trying to crown the next America's Sweetheart, trying to pick people at 
various times like Jennifer Anniston, Gwyneth Paltrow, etc. I think Murphy had 
much more likeability on screen, and she was at least as good an actress as 
Anniston, at least, from her performance in Don't Say a Word. I often 
wondered casually why she didn't get more exposure. Wonder if it's because she 
didn't go through a lot of public stuff to keep her in the tabloids like 
marrying/divorcing a famous guy, having drug-binges at popular nightspots and 
flashing her breasts in public, etc.? 

- Original Message - 
From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 8:59:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Brittany Murphy's Husband Denies Rumours around 
Deaths 









Same here. But I too liked Brittany. Something about her reminded me of Judy 
Holiday 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Martin Baxter 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:20 PM 
To: SciFiNoir2 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Brittany Murphy's Husband Denies Rumours around 
Deaths 





Keith, everything I've heard about her husband is that he ran to the shady 
side. That claim is a longshot at best. 



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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series

Come on, Martin...already got a complex about math...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie

--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote:

From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:42 PM

The writers ahve never seen quantum number theory in all its glory. Mind you, 
if they had, they'd be drooling into their water cups at the Home for the 
Insane.

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0800
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series

What didn't make sense was how could the same people exist over again and 
again? How can you have Starbuck exist multiple times with a ship of the exact 
same technology? That alone would be so astronomical that there isn't enough 
room on earth to have space for the zeros. 

Just the sheer randomness of the world allow us to exist. However even if you 
were to have the same people get together in chronological order over and over 
again to create you it may not happen. 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur 
aladvantage. com wrote:

That the cycle repeats over and over again is what I was thinking

From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On 
Behalf Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:35 PM

To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series

They were saying that the original creator of the cylons was also a cylon in 
the original show. (Ti's wife which didn't fit.) They made it seem like it was 
probably something that happened or happens over and over again with humans. 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur 
aladvantage. com wrote:

That it has happened before has got me too.  I believe it is the tie in to BSG

From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On 
Behalf Of Mr. Worf
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:30 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series

I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being 
told that we haven't seen before.  I am wondering if they are going to explain 
the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. 

Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur 
aladvantage. com wrote:
I think I might watch it.  They have showed it like 15 times this week and
even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was
really good.

That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to
BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside.  I went months before I saw
Moore's Space show.

I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling
regarding BSG after being big fans.  I wonder how that is going to impact on
ratings?

-Original Message-
From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On
Behalf Of B Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising
New SF Series

Three.

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote:

 That's two of us, Bosco.

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant

 http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik

 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
 From: ironpi...@.. .
 Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising
New SF Series

       BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone.

 B

 --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote:

 From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@...
 Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New
SF Series
 To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@. .., 'glenn'
ggs...@...
 Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM

 What do you think.  I'm still smarting
 from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was
blended
 into BSG to piggyback off of its success.  But I do like it

 5
 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series

 This Friday brings the first episode of

Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you cansee it

Wow, how long were you there, and what constitutes cold weather training? Do 
you have to stalk and kill caribou or something? Build an igloo? Were there any 
kind of war games involved? 

- Original Message - 
From: jazzynupe 007 jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:51:57 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you cansee 
it 

Keith, 

I can easily beat that. Did my cold weather special forces training for the 
Marines outside of Nome, Alaska. 

Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry 

From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:40:35 + (UTC) 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it 

The coldest weather i've ever experienced was in Chi-town back in '97, when I 
was up working on a software project for my then employer. I remember the 
absolute temperature was -10 F (i had *never* experienced below temps before!). 
But with the winds off the Lake, chill factors were down to -25 F! Amazing 
stuff. Having lived there for a time, and having spent several visits there for 
my project, I was by then knowledgeable of how to dress: five layers of 
clothing on my torso (t-shirt, thermal shirt, flannel shirt, sweater, coat), 
thermal leggings underneath my jeans, thermal socks, two hats to enclose ears 
as well as head, full facial covering. 
Believe it or not, I actually walked around downtown for two hours in that. I 
was staying in a hotel near State street, so there was lots of stuff to see. 
A year ago I accompanied my wife to training in Boston in January, and temps 
dropped to 8 F, it snowed, and the winds were fierce. Really, really bad--but 
not as bad as that time in Chicago... 

- Original Message - 
From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:37:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it 

It's 6 degrees here in Chicago...rain...Hmph! 

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet 
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: 

From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 3:00 PM 

And here it'll be cloudy and rainy tonight in the ATL... :( 
Oh well, it's great to read about, and I really dig the different full moon 
names from Native culture. 

 * * 
http://news. yahoo.com/ s/space/20100129 /sc_space/ biggestandbright 
estfullmoonof201 0tonight 

http://www.space. com/spacewatch/ full-moon- names-2010- 100127.html 

Biggest and Brightest Full Moon of 2010 Tonight 
SPACE.com

A full moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in LondonReuters – A full 
moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in London January 1, 2010. 
REUTERS/Dylan Martinez … 
Robert Roy Britt 
Editorial Director 
SPACE.com Robert Roy Britt 
editorial Director 
space.com – Fri Jan 29, 7:45 am ET 

Tonight's full moon will be the biggest and brightest full moon of the year. It 
offers anyone with clear skies an opportunity to identify easy-to-see features 
on the moon. 
This being the first full moon of 2010, it is also known as the wolf moon, a 
moniker dating back to Native American culture and the notion that hungry 
wolves howled at the full moon on cold winter nights. Each month brings another 
full moon name . 
But why will this moon be bigger than others? Here's how the moon works : 
The moon is, on average, 238,855 miles (384,400 km) from Earth. The moon's 
orbit around Earth – which causes it to go through all its phases once every 
29.5 days – is not a perfect circle, but rather an ellipse. One side of the 
orbit is 31,070 miles (50,000 km) closer than the other. 
So in each orbit, the moon reaches this closest point to us, called perigee. 
Once or twice a year, perigee coincides with a full moon, as it will tonight, 
making the moon bigger and brighter than any other full moons during the year. 
Tonight it will be about 14 percent wider and 30 percent brighter than lesser 
full Moons of the year, according to Spaceweather. com . 
As a bonus, Mars will be just to the left of the moon tonight. Look for the 
reddish, star-like object. 
Full moon craziness 
Many people think full moons cause strange behavior among animals and even 
humans. In fact several studies over the years have tried to tie lunar phases 
to births, heart attacks, deaths, suicides, violence, psychiatric hospital 
admissions and epileptic seizures, and more. Connections have been inclusive or 
nonexistent. 
The moon does have some odd effects on our planet, and there are oodles of 
other amazing

Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it

Wow, wow, wow, that is cold!! I can tolerate heat all day: summers back home in 
DFW routinely see daytime highs of 110 -112. But I've always been cold natured. 
Several subsequent visits to the doctor show my iron is a tad low, which might 
contribute. 
And I forgot to mention the scarf, but I indeed had one! 
- Original Message - 
From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:43:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it 

No, my friend...cold in Chicago was -24 degrees with a -57 degree wind 
chill...THAT is cold...I was a cabbie at the time...Oh yeah, you forgot the 
scarf... 

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet 
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: 

From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 4:40 PM 

The coldest weather i've ever experienced was in Chi-town back in '97, when I 
was up working on a software project for my then employer. I remember the 
absolute temperature was -10 F (i had *never* experienced below temps before!). 
But with the winds off the Lake, chill factors were down to -25 F! Amazing 
stuff. Having lived there for a time, and having spent several visits there for 
my project, I was by then knowledgeable of how to dress: five layers of 
clothing on my torso (t-shirt, thermal shirt, flannel shirt, sweater, coat), 
thermal leggings underneath my jeans, thermal socks, two hats to enclose ears 
as well as head, full facial covering. 
Believe it or not, I actually walked around downtown for two hours in that. I 
was staying in a hotel near State street, so there was lots of stuff to see. 
A year ago I accompanied my wife to training in Boston in January, and temps 
dropped to 8 F, it snowed, and the winds were fierce. Really, really bad--but 
not as bad as that time in Chicago... 

- Original Message - 
From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:37:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular- -if you can 
see it 

It's 6 degrees here in Chicago...rain. ..Hmph! 

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet 
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: 

From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular- -if you can see it 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 3:00 PM 

And here it'll be cloudy and rainy tonight in the ATL... :( 
Oh well, it's great to read about, and I really dig the different full moon 
names from Native culture. 

 * * 
http://news. yahoo.com/ s/space/20100129 /sc_space/ biggestandbright 
estfullmoonof201 0tonight 

http://www.space. com/spacewatch/ full-moon- names-2010- 100127.html 

Biggest and Brightest Full Moon of 2010 Tonight 
SPACE.com

A full moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in LondonReuters – A full 
moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in London January 1, 2010. 
REUTERS/Dylan Martinez … 
Robert Roy Britt 
Editorial Director 
SPACE.com Robert Roy Britt 
editorial Director 
space.com – Fri Jan 29, 7:45 am ET 

Tonight's full moon will be the biggest and brightest full moon of the year. It 
offers anyone with clear skies an opportunity to identify easy-to-see features 
on the moon. 
This being the first full moon of 2010, it is also known as the wolf moon, a 
moniker dating back to Native American culture and the notion that hungry 
wolves howled at the full moon on cold winter nights. Each month brings another 
full moon name . 
But why will this moon be bigger than others? Here's how the moon works : 
The moon is, on average, 238,855 miles (384,400 km) from Earth. The moon's 
orbit around Earth – which causes it to go through all its phases once every 
29.5 days – is not a perfect circle, but rather an ellipse. One side of the 
orbit is 31,070 miles (50,000 km) closer than the other. 
So in each orbit, the moon reaches this closest point to us, called perigee. 
Once or twice a year, perigee coincides with a full moon, as it will tonight, 
making the moon bigger and brighter than any other full moons during the year. 
Tonight it will be about 14 percent wider and 30 percent brighter than lesser 
full Moons of the year, according to Spaceweather. com . 
As a bonus, Mars will be just to the left of the moon tonight. Look for the 
reddish, star-like object. 
Full moon craziness 
Many people think full moons cause strange behavior among animals and even 
humans. In fact

Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it

Damn near felt like it. Just glad I live a relatively short walk from a mall. 
Don't trust Sears for doing any serious mechanic work anymore, but I'm okay 
buying a Diehard battery in a pinch. 
- Original Message - 
From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:45:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it 

You forgot uphill...Both ways... 

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet 
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: 

From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 4:29 PM 

Ha-ha, I hear you! From Christmas until about the second week in January, it 
was dipping below 20 at night both here and back home in DFW. Daytime highs 
sometimes not above freezing, and it was windy to boot. Way too much cold for 
most of us! 
And don't get me started on the saga of my car battery dying while I'm at home 
taking care of my flu-infected wife, and me having to tote it and a replacement 
to and from Sears, trudging half a mile each way in bone chilling cold, bearing 
that not insignificant weight! 

- Original Message - 
From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ yahoo.com 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:37:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular- -if you can 
see it 

It's 6 degrees here in Chicago...rain. ..Hmph! 

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet 
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 

--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: 

From: Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular- -if you can see it 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 3:00 PM 

And here it'll be cloudy and rainy tonight in the ATL... :( 
Oh well, it's great to read about, and I really dig the different full moon 
names from Native culture. 

 * * 
http://news. yahoo.com/ s/space/20100129 /sc_space/ biggestandbright 
estfullmoonof201 0tonight 

http://www.space. com/spacewatch/ full-moon- names-2010- 100127.html 

Biggest and Brightest Full Moon of 2010 Tonight 
SPACE.com

A full moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in LondonReuters – A full 
moon is seen over the Houses of Parliament in London January 1, 2010. 
REUTERS/Dylan Martinez … 
Robert Roy Britt 
Editorial Director 
SPACE.com Robert Roy Britt 
editorial Director 
space.com – Fri Jan 29, 7:45 am ET 

Tonight's full moon will be the biggest and brightest full moon of the year. It 
offers anyone with clear skies an opportunity to identify easy-to-see features 
on the moon. 
This being the first full moon of 2010, it is also known as the wolf moon, a 
moniker dating back to Native American culture and the notion that hungry 
wolves howled at the full moon on cold winter nights. Each month brings another 
full moon name . 
But why will this moon be bigger than others? Here's how the moon works : 
The moon is, on average, 238,855 miles (384,400 km) from Earth. The moon's 
orbit around Earth – which causes it to go through all its phases once every 
29.5 days – is not a perfect circle, but rather an ellipse. One side of the 
orbit is 31,070 miles (50,000 km) closer than the other. 
So in each orbit, the moon reaches this closest point to us, called perigee. 
Once or twice a year, perigee coincides with a full moon, as it will tonight, 
making the moon bigger and brighter than any other full moons during the year. 
Tonight it will be about 14 percent wider and 30 percent brighter than lesser 
full Moons of the year, according to Spaceweather. com . 
As a bonus, Mars will be just to the left of the moon tonight. Look for the 
reddish, star-like object. 
Full moon craziness 
Many people think full moons cause strange behavior among animals and even 
humans. In fact several studies over the years have tried to tie lunar phases 
to births, heart attacks, deaths, suicides, violence, psychiatric hospital 
admissions and epileptic seizures, and more. Connections have been inclusive or 
nonexistent. 
The moon does have some odd effects on our planet, and there are oodles of 
other amazing moon facts and misconceptions: 

• A full moon at perigee also brings higher ocean tides . This tug of the 
moon on Earth also creates tides in the planet's crust, not just in the oceans. 
• Beaches are more polluted during full moon, owing to the higher tides. 
• In reality, there's no such thing as a full moon. The full moon occurs 
when the sun, Earth and the moon are all lined up, almost

Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see it

Yes indeed. Whenever I go outside, no matter how cold, I can't help but take a 
moment to stare at the Moon and stars if there's no cloud cover. Been looking 
up and wondering, dreaming, wishing for as long as I can remember. When I was a 
wee lad of nine or so, i used to take my dad's flashlight, point it into the 
nighttime sky, and leave it on for a long time. I had just discovered the 
concept of the light year, and was absolutely fascinated by the thought that 
the photons from my flashlight beam would still be hurtling toward those stars 
decades later. Even now, corny as it may sound, i get a thrill out of thinking 
that one of my light particles is hurtling through space thirty-plus lightyears 
from me. Often I'd flash Morse code with the flashlight, in my naive youth 
expecting that someday some advanced alien race would catch the two or three of 
my photons that managed to get out to them and then interpret SOS as 
something meaningful! 

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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 6:46:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it 






Even in one of those Chicago winter?? 

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--- On Fri, 1/29/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: 



From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular--if you can see 
it 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 4:26 PM 





It was already cloudy here, or maybe I was just groggy from having to drive all 
the way up to Alpharetta in the pre-dawn cold, and just didn't notice. Nah, 
can't be that: i never fail to notice the moon and stars, no matter how tired i 
am. 

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From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 4:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Wolf Moon Tonight to be Spectacular- -if you can 
see it 





Keith, I glimpsed the Moon this morning when I was putting the trash out for 
pickup, and it was a whopper then, just barely above the treetops. Despite the 
cold, I stood and stared. 


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Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

That was part of the fun of those old detective shows. The guys weren't 
invincible, weren't some kind of Special Forces/Green Beret/SEAL who could kill 
a man with their pinky. They were regular guys who had to depend on sleuthing, 
healthy tips to the local pimp or drunk for information, and good old 
fashioned stubborness. Made them more relatable to me. Remember Jim Rockford? 
He was always getting beat up too, and i loved that show. 

By the way, i hear The Rockford Files is being remade soon. 

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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:09:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 






What I remember of Mannix was he got the crap beat out of him just about every 
other week... 

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From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:17 PM 




I forgot about Mannix! That was one of the first detective shows that I 
remember watching! I haven't seen any re-runs of that show though. It was on tv 
from 1968-75. 

According to wiki Gail Fisher won multiple Emmys for that show. 


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Keith Johnson  KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net  
wrote: 






Not bad at all. I also liked Teresa Graves (Get Christie Love) and Gail 
Fisher (Mannix) 

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To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:31:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 








How come you guys never bring up Tamara Dobson (Cleopatra Jones). She sounds 
like she belongs in this group 

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Tamara_Dobson 





From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 8:51 PM 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 









I was never enamored of Ms. Grier (sacrilege I know!), but poor Lisa Nicole 
Carson did it for me! Too bad she seems to be suffering from serious emotional 
problems. Nola Gaye, yes indeed. And let's not forget Lola Falana and Dianne 
Carroll. Oh--and Sofia Vergara from Modern Family. Wow, wow, wow! 

Halle who? 

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From: C.W. Badie  astromancer2002@ yahoo.com  
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:40:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 







I've met and seen folk who look better naked and others who look great in 
clothes...Halle is the latter...Yeah, I know there are some who look great 
bothe ways...I am a school of the full-figured 60's and 70's genre No one 
mentioned Nola Gaye, Lisa Nicole Carson, Pam Grier (who does not need to be 
mentioned along with Raquel or Sophia) and a few other youngsters whom I have 
trouble remembering. ..Nope, didn't forget Tracey either (wink!)... 

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--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Kelwyn  ravena...@yahoo. com  wrote: 


From: Kelwyn  ravena...@yahoo. com  
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:48 AM 






--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ... wrote: 
  Rather than Berry, I humbly suggest looking up any movie with Selma Hayek 
in it--the dancing scene in that vampire movie alone is worth the price of ten 
shots of Berry's nekkid chest--this despite Hayek keeping her clothes on! Or 
anything that features Sanaa Lathan, she of the incredibly cute smile and 
dreamy eyes that just suck one in. Or anything with Gabrielle Union, face as 
pretty and perfect as a living doll's. Nia Long in Love Jones is just a treat 
to look at too --and it's a good movie to boot.  


I see you and raise you: 







~rave! 
























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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series

I can believe it. I'm looking forward to finally getting caught up. 

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From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:12:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

I agree. There was one season where it was heart wrenching to watch, but I also 
believe that it was necessary on some level. The best writing that they did in 
the entire series was during that time frame. 

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 

In the last few years, I bought a house, lost my mother, my wife's mother, my 
sister has fought two bouts with cancer, I got a boss I despised at my old job, 
then lost that job because of him, spent most of a year unemployed, helped my 
older brother convalesce from back surgery, and had to deal with a diagnosis of 
Type 2 diabetes. 
Not to be depressing and all, but there were times I was pulled in so many 
directions, that even my years long Friday night scifi fix suffered. I catch an 
ep of BSG here, record one there, then just forget or get behind, never to 
catch back up. Also--and this is really major for me, the original fan of 
serious scifi--I think the BSG theme started weighing on me a bit. It's a great 
show with its serious tone, its dark themes. But I noticed that it always 
seemed i was trying to watch a recording of it at night, and the darkness of 
the show--literal and figurative--seemed to make me feel a bit down. 
I guess that's my typically long winded way of saying it was a bit heavy for me 
during times when i have dealt with a lot of emotional stress. Again, that's 
unheard for me. I kept up on the Stargates, Star Trek reruns, etc., but never 
got back to BSG. I think I'm at a point where I'm ready to catch up now. 

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From: Tracey de Morsella  tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:47:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

Had I known what I know now, I probably would not have seen the Finale. Why did 
you miss the finale? You were one season behind right? You will probably like 
Caprica, because you do not have the bitter aftertaste of the finale. Lucky 
you. I think it’s a pretty good show. I’m a fan of Esai Morales and Eric 
Stolze, and they put some effort into this. Moore is not attached, as far as I 
know. So, despite its origins, I hope it does well 

Speaking of Enterprise. One storyline that surprised me in its depth was the 
ongoing saga with the Andorians and The captain’s evolving relationship with 
their leader. I really liked that 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:21 PM 

To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune? 
Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour 
marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time travel 
saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in time to a 
Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox is kidnapped 
by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the Augment DNA, which is 
changing its victims into the more human looking klingons of Kirk's early 
years. 

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From: Tracey de Morsella  tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and 
even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was 
really good. 

That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to 
BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw 
Moore's Space show. 

I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling 
regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on 
ratings? 

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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ] On 
Behalf Of B Smith 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 

Three. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: 

 That's two of us, Bosco. 

 If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in 
bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sherlock Holmes

That might be true. Like I said, I've never read a Holme's story, so I wasn't 
sure if Ritchie's treatment of him as attacking with barely suppressed rage was 
accurate or not. 

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From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:38:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sherlock Holmes 

His character may have been working on theories of self defense. Fighting on 
one level is cold and calculated. Boxing is called the sweet science. 

I always believed that Holmes was exploring the physical limits of the human 
body in addition to his logical pursuits. 

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 

I've never read any of the stories, so wondered about Watson's fiance as well. 
Is she in the books? I liked her personality too. 
Given that Holmes is a student of--everything--his Eastern fighting ability 
didn't bother me. That is, it didn't bother me once i got over the shock of 
seeing Holmes portrayed as a brawler of any kind. I always pictured him as 
being less physical. I mean, I can see him fighting when necessary, and doing 
so with cool efficiency. I'd liken Holmes the fighter to a Vulcan: incredibly 
good, but only doing what's necessary to end a fight, moves calculated and 
struck with an economy of motion and a maximum of effort. I remember watching 
one of the rare times Voyager allowed martial arts master Tuvok to fight, and 
he was amazing, moving in swift circles of motion to dispatch his opponents, 
but always in control. So I could see someone like Holmes having studied Indian 
fighting styles (since kung fu is said to have its roots there), as well as 
Chinese and Japanese arts. I'd have expected a bit more of the soft stuff: 
judo and aikido to redirect his opponent's power, rather than a reliance on so 
much hard fighting, as efficient as it was. 

But the way they had him show a side of barely contained rage threw me. It 
wasn't so much *how* he fought, but *why* he fought that confused me. Is that 
Ritchie's take, a redoing of Holmes, or is it true to the books? 

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From: Mr. Worf  hellomahog...@gmail.com  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:07:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sherlock Holmes 

I have to agree with you about Rachel McAdams. 

Another character that no one has mentioned yet was Mrs. Watson. She seemed to 
maybe be spunkier than she lets on. I was half expecting her to show up in a 
fight scene. 

One thing that I found interesting was the Holmes fu. His fighting style was 
very martial arts like rather than British fisticuffs and Wrassling styles of 
the day. 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 

I thought they were overplaying Holmes as the crazy man-of-action at the 
beginning. The cage match and the unkempt Holmes were a bit much at first, 
and I was seriously missing the deductive reasoning parts. But later in, the 
movie settled in to give us more of Holmes the detective--and of course, the 
point was to show how incredibly out of sorts he was without a challenging case 
to focus his vast mental energies. Once he started doing some sleuthing I was 
pleasantly surprised too. It was paced well, I liked the way they reproduced 
England, the action was good, the villain good, the music was very impressive. 
And Law as Watson is probably closer to the book than the more aged, sidekicks 
of the movie. 

My only slight complaint was that Rachel McAdams seemed just a tad too young 
and slight of personality to play Holmes' untrustworthy lover. I'd have 
preferred a slightly older, stronger actress in the role. But no real big issue 
there. 
My wife and I both liked it, moreso as we discussed it this past weekend. 
Indeed, I wouldn't mind seeing it again. And boy did they leave things open for 
a sequel! 

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From: Mr. Worf  hellomahog...@gmail.com  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:39:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Sherlock Holmes 

That was my first thoughts too. Now I'm glad that I saw it. 

I just hope that they don't try to take two different actors and turn it into a 
tv show. 

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:04 AM, B Smith  daikaij...@yahoo.com  wrote: 

The reviews were pretty good. It was more griping from true fans over 
Ritchie's take. Turns out it was the fans of the movie Sherlock Holmes series 
and not the Holmes of the books. They thought his style and storytelling didn't 
mesh with Sherlock Holmes. Boy were they wrong. Ritchie did his homework by 
going to the source material and delivered an entertaining and exciting film. 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: 

 I read all good reviews. I'm dying to

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series

Any of the math you like? I rather enjoyed trig. It was a revelation to me when 
I took it back in high school, the way one can calculate distances and heights 
based on simple formulae. And such a relief after having taken a year of 
geometry which seemed to be nothing but endless proofs--ugh! I still do trig in 
my head as much as possible just for grins. 

I loved calculus, especially differential calc because of its relationship to 
motion and stuff. I had to take a year and half of calc, and by the third 
course it got hairy, as I was then doing differential/integral calc in all 
three dimensions, and in three different coordinate systems: Cartesian, 
cylindrical, and spherical. (this was needed for the electromagnetic theory 
courses I had to take). After that it was a year of differential equations, a 
year of linear algebra (Matrix algebra), which was fun. 

Every time I go back home to Texas I pull out some of those advanced math books 
and marvel I could do the work. I have notebooks where a single 
problem--writing the equations to describe the shape of an EM wave leaving an 
antenna, bouncing off a wall, and partially going through it--consists of two 
solid pages of math. I get the *concepts* still, but the actual math sometimes 
makes my head spin! 

Guess that's why writing is my first love... 

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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 5:25:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 






Come on, Martin...already got a complex about math... 

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--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: 



From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 
To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 3:42 PM 




The writers ahve never seen quantum number theory in all its glory. Mind you, 
if they had, they'd be drooling into their water cups at the Home for the 
Insane. 

If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com 
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:53:03 -0800 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 




What didn't make sense was how could the same people exist over again and 
again? How can you have Starbuck exist multiple times with a ship of the exact 
same technology? That alone would be so astronomical that there isn't enough 
room on earth to have space for the zeros. 

Just the sheer randomness of the world allow us to exist. However even if you 
were to have the same people get together in chronological order over and over 
again to create you it may not happen. 



On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Tracey de Morsella  tdli...@multicultur 
aladvantage. com  wrote: 








That the cycle repeats over and over again is what I was thinking 





From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 4:35 PM 



To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 








They were saying that the original creator of the cylons was also a cylon in 
the original show. (Ti's wife which didn't fit.) They made it seem like it was 
probably something that happened or happens over and over again with humans. 


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 4:01 PM, Tracey de Morsella  tdli...@multicultur 
aladvantage. com  wrote: 





That it has happened before has got me too. I believe it is the tie in to BSG 





From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com ] On 
Behalf Of Mr. Worf 
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 2:30 PM 
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising 
New SF Series 







I think that the show is interesting. It is nice to see part of the story being 
told that we haven't seen before. I am wondering if they are going to explain 
the it has happened before dialog that keeps popping up. 

Also the number of the advanced units were they patterned after the gods? 


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tracey de Morsella  tdli...@multicultur 
aladvantage. com  wrote: 

I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and 
even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was 
really good. 

That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to 
BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw 
Moore's

[scifinoir2] What if Actors' Roles were Switched in Sherlock Holmes?

After seeing the movie last Sunday, I was wondering about the casting. Downey 
and Law are really good, but why did Ritchie cast them that way? Law, who's 
taller, a bit leaner, and has a bit more of an intensely thoughtful look, would 
seem at first glance to be the natural choice to play Holmes. At least, he 
probably on the surface appears closer to the tall, lean, serious Holmes of all 
those movies i saw as a kid. Downey, with his shorter stature, lined, worn 
face, large expressive eyes, and tendency to look comical, serious,and slightly 
off all at once, would seem to be a good fit for a slightly comedic 
Watson--the guy who comments/critiques/jokes from the sidelines as the 
oh-so-serious Holmes goes about solving the crimes. 

Indeed, i can see a time before Downey's return to such lofty heights, where 
another director would probably think it natural to cast the dapper and 
handsome Law as Holmes, and the quixotic Downey as his funny sidekick. Wonder 
how such a movie would have turned out? Would the casting have dictated a more 
traditional take on the characters? Would Rithie's slight twist on the 
traditional movie treatments of the characters still have worked if the roles 
had been switched?

Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

Yea the Rockford files replaced Mannix as the show to watch when I was a
kid. (also Mission Impossible and Mod Squad)

On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote:

That was part of the fun of those old detective shows. The guys weren't
invincible, weren't some kind of Special Forces/Green Beret/SEAL who could
kill a man with their pinky. They were regular guys who had to depend on
sleuthing, healthy tips to the local pimp or drunk for information, and
good old fashioned stubborness. Made them more relatable to me. Remember Jim
Rockford? He was always getting beat up too, and i loved that show.

By the way, i hear The Rockford Files is being remade soon.

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From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:09:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

What I remember of Mannix was he got the crap beat out of him just about
every other week...

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--- On *Wed, 1/27/10, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com* wrote:

From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:17 PM

I forgot about Mannix! That was one of the first detective shows that I
remember watching! I haven't seen any re-runs of that show though. It was
on tv from 1968-75.

According to wiki Gail Fisher won multiple Emmys for that show.

On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@
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wrote:

Not bad at all. I also liked Teresa Graves (Get Christie Love) and Gail
Fisher (Mannix)

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How come you guys never bring up Tamara Dobson (Cleopatra Jones). She
sounds like she belongs in this group

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/
Tamara_Dobsonhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Dobson

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I was never enamored of Ms. Grier (sacrilege I know!), but poor Lisa
Nicole Carson did it for me! Too bad she seems to be suffering from serious
emotional problems. Nola Gaye, yes indeed. And let's not forget Lola Falana
and Dianne Carroll. Oh--and Sofia Vergara from Modern Family. Wow, wow,
wow!

Halle who?

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I've met and seen folk who look better naked and others who look great in
clothes...Halle is the latter...Yeah, I know there are some who look great
bothe ways...I am a school of the full-figured 60's and 70's genre No one
mentioned Nola Gaye, Lisa Nicole Carson, Pam Grier (who does not need to be
mentioned along with Raquel or Sophia) and a few other youngsters whom I
have trouble remembering. ..Nope, didn't forget Tracey either (wink!)...

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet
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Subject: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

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Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:48 AM

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ ...
wrote: Rather than Berry, I humbly suggest looking up any movie with
Selma Hayek in it--the dancing scene in that vampire movie alone is worth
the price of ten shots of Berry's nekkid chest--this despite Hayek keeping
her clothes on! Or anything that features Sanaa Lathan, she of the
incredibly cute smile and dreamy eyes

Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish

Oh don't make me sad! I remember the good old shows for the important works 
they were at the time due to their cultural significance, then get sad when 
they're mined shamelessly for quick cash nowadays. 
Mod Squad was a seminal show for its time. I was puzzled as to why they did a 
remake, given the power and import of the original couldn't be recaptured in 
these modern times. it just came off as someone capitalizing on the name and 
memory of a show, but not really contributing to its significance. In the 70s, 
young hippie types as cops, a black man and a woman as detectives, was 
revolutionary. In modern times it's same old same old. Even TV shows like New 
York Undercover had covered that ground by the time the movie came out. 
I felt the same about Shaft. They just cashed in on the name, then gave us a 
movie where Jackson brought nothing new to the role, made nothing approaching 
the type of statements Roundtree was making back in the day (even of some of 
those statements were sexist). And it was toothless to boot, as the studio 
demanded they cut back on all the sexuality of Roundtree's original movies. 
Then what was the point...? 
And most of all, I still lament what Tom Cruise did to the Mission Impossible 
concept with his movies. I believe that was one of the first of the recent 
trend of remakes in name only, where the studio cashes in on the cachet of a 
name, then proceeds to completely butcher the original concept. The MI movies 
were okay (the third had lots of good action thanks to Abrams), but they were 
nothing like the real concept of the series. The series were about deception, 
planning, and teamwork. They had a lot of intelligently planned and executed 
missions. The movies were star vehicles centering on Cruise, with the other 
agents as mere assistants. It was really more a spy movie based on a single 
spy. I wish they'd have just created a new franchise and not sullied the memory 
of MI by using that great series' name. And what did they to Jim Phelps 
character in the first flick was unforgivable. Peter Graves--the second but 
most well known Jim Phelps---was aghast at that move. 

Yeah, yeah I know: idiot modern, younger audiences need more action. Man I get 
tired of that excuse. What are we producing, succeeding generations of kids 
with short attention spans? 

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From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 1:16:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 






Yea the Rockford files replaced Mannix as the show to watch when I was a kid. 
(also Mission Impossible and Mod Squad) 


On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Keith Johnson  keithbjohn...@comcast.net  
wrote: 






That was part of the fun of those old detective shows. The guys weren't 
invincible, weren't some kind of Special Forces/Green Beret/SEAL who could kill 
a man with their pinky. They were regular guys who had to depend on sleuthing, 
healthy tips to the local pimp or drunk for information, and good old 
fashioned stubborness. Made them more relatable to me. Remember Jim Rockford? 
He was always getting beat up too, and i loved that show. 

By the way, i hear The Rockford Files is being remade soon. 


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Sent: Friday, January 29, 2010 7:09:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 







What I remember of Mannix was he got the crap beat out of him just about every 
other week... 

Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet 
From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie 


--- On Wed, 1/27/10, Mr. Worf  hellomahog...@gmail.com  wrote: 




From: Mr. Worf  hellomahog...@gmail.com  
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:17 PM 




I forgot about Mannix! That was one of the first detective shows that I 
remember watching! I haven't seen any re-runs of that show though. It was on tv 
from 1968-75. 

According to wiki Gail Fisher won multiple Emmys for that show. 


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:07 PM, Keith Johnson  KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net  
wrote: 






Not bad at all. I also liked Teresa Graves (Get Christie Love) and Gail 
Fisher (Mannix) 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:31:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re:Swordfish 








How come you guys never bring up Tamara Dobson (Cleopatra Jones). She sounds 
like she belongs in this group 

http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Tamara_Dobson 





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