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Belated thanks! All is well. Setting my machine back up. I hope to be yaking with you guys in a few days Tracey --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: May all be well for you, Tracey! If there's anything we can do, you know where we live. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:54:42 - From : tdemorsella tdli...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Hey Keith: Sorry To hit you on the list, but I have been trying to reach you. My computer crashed and I no longer have your contact info. Can you call me Tracey Hey fam. Sorry about that. It is an emergency --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: true! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:21:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Keith, you'd be too busy running to carry on a conversation. ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:04:37 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlrouge@, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlrouge@ wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
That's great to hear. Don't worry -- we'll keep the place upright, and have it clean by the time you get back. If we can figure out how to disassemble the giant Optimus Prime over there... how *did* we get that in here, anyway? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Fri, 03 Jul 2009 16:56:35 - From : tdemorsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Belated thanks! All is well. Setting my machine back up. I hope to be yaking with you guys in a few days Tracey --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: May all be well for you, Tracey! If there's anything we can do, you know where we live. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:54:42 - From : tdemorsella To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Hey Keith: Sorry To hit you on the list, but I have been trying to reach you. My computer crashed and I no longer have your contact info. Can you call me Tracey Hey fam. Sorry about that. It is an emergency --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: true! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:21:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Keith, you'd be too busy running to carry on a conversation. ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:04:37 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlrouge@, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlrouge@ wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS
[RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
May all be well for you, Tracey! If there's anything we can do, you know where we live. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Mon, 29 Jun 2009 18:54:42 - From : tdemorsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Hey Keith: Sorry To hit you on the list, but I have been trying to reach you. My computer crashed and I no longer have your contact info. Can you call me Tracey Hey fam. Sorry about that. It is an emergency --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: true! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:21:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Keith, you'd be too busy running to carry on a conversation. ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:04:37 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlro...@..., scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlro...@... wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always
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You're kidding, right? I mean about being sorry? PLEASE contact him here! :o) http://www.smileycentral.com/?partner=ZSzeb001_ZSman000 Moon Walk _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of tdemorsella Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 2:55 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Hey Keith: Sorry To hit you on the list, but I have been trying to reach you. My computer crashed and I no longer have your contact info. Can you call me Tracey Hey fam. Sorry about that. It is an emergency --- In scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: true! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:21:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Keith, you'd be too busy running to carry on a conversation. ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:04:37 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... To : scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlro...@..., scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlro...@... wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@... To: scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most
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Keith, you'd be too busy running to carry on a conversation. ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:04:37 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlro...@aol.com, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlro...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall
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Don't know if anyone caught that horrid Skiffy/Siffy movie Mutant Chronicles last night, but it gives us another entry in this thread, Captain John McGuire. The brother's proud! Intelligent! Noble! In CHARGE! Dead halfway through the flick! :P -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:43:11 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com If you do, *please* video it! That's one of my fav scenes in all of Trek. The scar on Sulu's face was such a great touch. I remember as the whole thing played out between Uhura and Sulu, in the background can be seen two Security guards, lounging near the turbolift, amused by the whole affair. And the sleezy look on Chekov's face when Sulu first went after Uhura was priceless too. - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:22:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you
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true! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:21:26 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Keith, you'd be too busy running to carry on a conversation. ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 05:04:37 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlro...@aol.com, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlro...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen
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I took my wife to dinner in downtown Decatur (fav part of the Atlanta area) last night. Indulged in a burger at Ted's Montana Grill, then walked the Square and sat people watching until the rain drove us away. Despite actors like Ron Perlman and Malkovich in the movie, I'd noticed that Comcast's rating system gave it only one star, so I decided to pass. After the headache-inducing Virtuality on Friday night, I'm really glad I did. On another note, what's up with Comcast's rating system? over and over and over, i see movies given crappy (one star) ratings, yet the actual review on the screen is favorable. For example, they'll rate Mutant Chronicles one star, yet the synopsis will say Exciting scifi thriller full of thrilling special effects. What is the deal? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:36:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Don't know if anyone caught that horrid Skiffy/Siffy movie Mutant Chronicles last night, but it gives us another entry in this thread, Captain John McGuire. The brother's proud! Intelligent! Noble! In CHARGE! Dead halfway through the flick! :P -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:43:11 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com If you do, *please* video it! That's one of my fav scenes in all of Trek. The scar on Sulu's face was such a great touch. I remember as the whole thing played out between Uhura and Sulu, in the background can be seen two Security guards, lounging near the turbolift, amused by the whole affair. And the sleezy look on Chekov's face when Sulu first went after Uhura was priceless too. - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:22:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro
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Ab initio, Keith, I hope that you and Phyliss enjoyed the outing, and I'm envious because you had rain. And *doubly* so because you didn't have to suffer through that. I figure, regarding the ratings system, that there's one go-to source that they're taking their ratings from, and that source really doesn't like many movies. We were discussing Equilibrium last week, and it's way better than the one star it rated. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:06:10 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I took my wife to dinner in downtown Decatur (fav part of the Atlanta area) last night. Indulged in a burger at Ted's Montana Grill, then walked the Square and sat people watching until the rain drove us away. Despite actors like Ron Perlman and Malkovich in the movie, I'd noticed that Comcast's rating system gave it only one star, so I decided to pass. After the headache-inducing Virtuality on Friday night, I'm really glad I did. On another note, what's up with Comcast's rating system? over and over and over, i see movies given crappy (one star) ratings, yet the actual review on the screen is favorable. For example, they'll rate Mutant Chronicles one star, yet the synopsis will say Exciting scifi thriller full of thrilling special effects. What is the deal? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 7:36:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Don't know if anyone caught that horrid Skiffy/Siffy movie Mutant Chronicles last night, but it gives us another entry in this thread, Captain John McGuire. The brother's proud! Intelligent! Noble! In CHARGE! Dead halfway through the flick! :P -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:43:11 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com If you do, *please* video it! That's one of my fav scenes in all of Trek. The scar on Sulu's face was such a great touch. I remember as the whole thing played out between Uhura and Sulu, in the background can be seen two Security guards, lounging near the turbolift, amused by the whole affair. And the sleezy look on Chekov's face when Sulu first went after Uhura was priceless too. - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:22:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on women
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HeyHEY! Zoe Washburn is NOT a garden implement! -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:00:43 - From : ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What would you tell your wife? You would tell her, I don't love dem (sci-fi) hos! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlro...@..., scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlro...@... wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear
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Reminds me of my favorite ho moment in popular culture: Jeopardy champion Ken Jennings is robbed of $200 when Alex Trebek rejects his response to the clue, This term for a long-handled gardening tool can also mean an immoral pleasure seeker. Jennings said, What is a ho? When, of course, the right answer was: What is a rake? ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: HeyHEY! Zoe Washburn is NOT a garden implement! -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:00:43 - From : ravenadal ravena...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What would you tell your wife? You would tell her, I don't love dem (sci-fi) hos! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlrouge@, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlrouge@ wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint
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There go my thirteen-year-old surgical sutures... ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 18:17:21 - From : ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Reminds me of my favorite ho moment in popular culture: Jeopardy champion Ken Jennings is robbed of $200 when Alex Trebek rejects his response to the clue, This term for a long-handled gardening tool can also mean an immoral pleasure seeker. Jennings said, What is a ho? When, of course, the right answer was: What is a rake? ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: HeyHEY! Zoe Washburn is NOT a garden implement! -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:00:43 - From : ravenadal To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What would you tell your wife? You would tell her, I don't love dem (sci-fi) hos! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote: I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlrouge@, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlrouge@ wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I
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i remember that one! That was a *classic* moment!! - Original Message - From: ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2009 2:17:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Reminds me of my favorite ho moment in popular culture: Jeopardy champion Ken Jennings is robbed of $200 when Alex Trebek rejects his response to the clue, This term for a long-handled gardening tool can also mean an immoral pleasure seeker. Jennings said, What is a ho? When, of course, the right answer was: What is a rake? ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: HeyHEY! Zoe Washburn is NOT a garden implement! -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sun, 28 Jun 2009 14:00:43 - From : ravenadal ravena...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com What would you tell your wife? You would tell her, I don't love dem (sci-fi) hos! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson wrote: I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer To: wlrouge@, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlrouge@ wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2002@ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
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If you do, *please* video it! That's one of my fav scenes in all of Trek. The scar on Sulu's face was such a great touch. I remember as the whole thing played out between Uhura and Sulu, in the background can be seen two Security guards, lounging near the turbolift, amused by the whole affair. And the sleezy look on Chekov's face when Sulu first went after Uhura was priceless too. - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:22:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T
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I don't want my first foray into Podcastdom to be me oogling another woman in a scifi world! Whatever would I tell my wife?! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer clockwork...@gmail.com To: wlro...@aol.com, scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 1:30:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrouge wlro...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky
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Lavendar, either a) knee lift or b) pepper spray. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:22:47 -0400 From : wlro...@aol.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally
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This kinda stuff should be on a podcastis there a scifinoir podcast? c w m is the answer - wlrougewlro...@aol.com wrote: I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T
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Oh that explains it. I don't remember it mentioned in the series... - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 3:33:12 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list The open relationships of betazoids were mostly discussed in Peter David Star Trek Novels... --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 6:02 PM In the Star Trek movie, the lady wasn't a Betazoid, but a Deltan. Her race wasn't telepathic, but emitted a high level of pheremones that drove human males crazy. Hence, she had a vow of celibacy that was actually on record. As for the habits of Betazoids, I didn't know that. I don't remember them having open relationships being discussed on the series. The only discussion of their customs really came in reference to Luwaxanna Troi, and that was always suspect. Interesting. ... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:41:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list The star trek movie with the bald Betazoid woman. Also it was mentioned in the dialog on STNG. Here is a quote from Startrek.com Betazoids practice an old style of marriage arrangement called genetic bonding, wherein children are promised to each other for marriage later by their parents. On the same note, Betazoids are known for their ability to love more than one person without losing their ability to love their mate, nor are they bound by their marriage customs. Because marriage is a celebration of the act of love to Betazoids, the wedding ceremony itself is traditionally conducted in the nude. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: Betazoids have numerous lovers? When was that stated? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:31:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I think he hinted at it with Troi (the Beatzoids had numerous lovers) and Dr. Flox (sp? with numerous wives) from Enterprise. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry' s last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance-- Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just
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Troi didn't have that many lovers in the course of the series, and even then, she wasn't married or in a committed relationship with anyone. So i didn't view any of that behavior as unusual, the way, say Phlox's people on Enterprise have multiple spouses and multiple partners. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:13:56 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Um, Keith, you haven't been keeping a close eye on the conselor...(singing) Get around, get around, I get around... --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 10:56 PM Betazoids have numerous lovers? When was that stated? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:31:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I think he hinted at it with Troi (the Beatzoids had numerous lovers) and Dr. Flox (sp? with numerous wives) from Enterprise. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry' s last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance-- Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KER OOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : * mcjennings124@ yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16
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Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links http://groups
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ha ha! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 8:31:42 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list (hearing Phyliss' footsteps, taking cover) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From : C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Um, Keith, you haven't been keeping a close eye on the conselor...(singing) Get around, get around, I get around... --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 10:56 PM Betazoids have numerous lovers? When was that stated? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:31:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I think he hinted at it with Troi (the Beatzoids had numerous lovers) and Dr. Flox (sp? with numerous wives) from Enterprise. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry' s last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance-- Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend.. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KER OOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings124@ yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
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yeah, that's probably the best outfit in the OS. - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:20:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list C.W., i totally agree with you. when Uhura bust out in the mid-drift for the alternate universe episode. i was totally DONE! Fate. --- On Sat, 6/20/09, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 4:55 AM Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start
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Well, he never really got any good stuff written for him. The guy was rarely used in early seasons, other than to get knocked in the head, or say something like here we go (when pushing the warp stickshift up to 4.8). Later in the series he got a few good storylines, but again he was rarely front and center. The only time I can think of where he got anything meaningful was the eps when Peter Weller's xenophobe was menacing Earth, and Travis was dealing with a former lover who he thought was a sympathizer. Some people have complained that the actor didn't get any lines, but then, when he did, the same said he couldn't really act. Someone--was it you , Tracey?--saw him guest starring on a sitcom (maybe Girlfriends or The Game or something) and said he wasn't a good actor. - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 2:25:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ensign travis montgomery. the only really good ep was the one when he went back 2 see his fam after his father passed and he had the sibling riv with his brother. that show cased him and his knowledge of tactics and command. he shined then, but that was his major ep. he was o.k. in a few others, but no break out performances in any but his own. Fate. --- On Sat, 6/20/09, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 4:25 AM Maybe I missed it, but the epitomy of The Disposable Negro would be What's-His-Name from Enterprise.. . --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:55 PM More than welcome, Michelle! My pleasure to spread the word on good viewing, which this is. And now, ladies and gentles, let us send a not-inconsiderable measure of lothing in the direction of Fox, for failing to inform Michelle and those in her area of the goodness they nearly missed... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:14:43 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@michellela urenbooks.. com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Oh cool! Thanks.. I'll check it out in my local Target. It's so weird, because when the show was on FOX in my area, I never heard a thing about it. No commercials or anything. I didn't hear anything about Firefly until the movie Serenity came out in theaters. I can see why it has a following if the series is like the movie. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http:// michellelaurenbo oks.com/? p=1770 ** http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/michellela urenbooks/ join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Michelle, do yourself a good service and pick up Firefly. Still $10 for the series collection at Target, last I looked. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:01:47 - From : Michelle Lauren To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I never watched the series of Firefly, but I did see Serenity and I loved it. Chiwetel Ejiofor was chilling as a government assassin-type. He's an amazing actor; very versatile. I think when Joss Whedon likes actors he puts them in several of his projects. I think it's cool that Whedon feels free to portray ethnic characters in positive as well as not so positive roles. It's one thing if he only shows them as thugs, but his AA characters run a range of socio-economic levels, personalities and powers (i.e. from intelligent thugs to mercenaries to deities, as in Gina Torress for the last two). http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
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I wonder if I try that at club what would happen? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Oh yeah, she was rocking that barbarian garb in the Mirror Universe! Gots to give her credit. And love that scene with evil Sulu: The game has rules. I protest, and you come back. You didn't come back and then, Slap I changed my mind - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 20, 2009 4:55:14 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry
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The open relationships of betazoids were mostly discussed in Peter David Star Trek Novels... --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 6:02 PM In the Star Trek movie, the lady wasn't a Betazoid, but a Deltan. Her race wasn't telepathic, but emitted a high level of pheremones that drove human males crazy. Hence, she had a vow of celibacy that was actually on record.. As for the habits of Betazoids, I didn't know that. I don't remember them having open relationships being discussed on the series. The only discussion of their customs really came in reference to Luwaxanna Troi, and that was always suspect. Interesting. ... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:41:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list The star trek movie with the bald Betazoid woman. Also it was mentioned in the dialog on STNG. Here is a quote from Startrek.com Betazoids practice an old style of marriage arrangement called genetic bonding, wherein children are promised to each other for marriage later by their parents. On the same note, Betazoids are known for their ability to love more than one person without losing their ability to love their mate, nor are they bound by their marriage customs. Because marriage is a celebration of the act of love to Betazoids, the wedding ceremony itself is traditionally conducted in the nude. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: Betazoids have numerous lovers? When was that stated? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:31:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I think he hinted at it with Troi (the Beatzoids had numerous lovers) and Dr. Flox (sp? with numerous wives) from Enterprise. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry' s last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance-- Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend.. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right
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I think it was also mentioned in the first couple of episodes of STNG. On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 12:33 AM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.comwrote: The open relationships of betazoids were mostly discussed in Peter David Star Trek Novels... --- On *Thu, 6/18/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net* wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 6:02 PM In the Star Trek movie, the lady wasn't a Betazoid, but a Deltan. Her race wasn't telepathic, but emitted a high level of pheremones that drove human males crazy. Hence, she had a vow of celibacy that was actually on record. As for the habits of Betazoids, I didn't know that. I don't remember them having open relationships being discussed on the series. The only discussion of their customs really came in reference to Luwaxanna Troi, and that was always suspect. Interesting. ... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:41:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list The star trek movie with the bald Betazoid woman. Also it was mentioned in the dialog on STNG. Here is a quote from Startrek.com Betazoids practice an old style of marriage arrangement called genetic bonding, wherein children are promised to each other for marriage later by their parents. On the same note, Betazoids are known for their ability to love more than one person without losing their ability to love their mate, nor are they bound by their marriage customs. Because marriage is a celebration of the act of love to Betazoids, the wedding ceremony itself is traditionally conducted in the nude. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.nethttp://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Betazoids have numerous lovers? When was that stated? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.comhttp://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.comhttp://us.mc594..mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:31:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I think he hinted at it with Troi (the Beatzoids had numerous lovers) and Dr. Flox (sp? with numerous wives) from Enterprise. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.comhttp://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.comhttp://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.comhttp://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry' s last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance-- Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're
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Um, Keith, you haven't been keeping a close eye on the conselor...(singing) Get around, get around, I get around... --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 10:56 PM Betazoids have numerous lovers? When was that stated? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:31:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I think he hinted at it with Troi (the Beatzoids had numerous lovers) and Dr. Flox (sp? with numerous wives) from Enterprise. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry' s last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance-- Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend.. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KER OOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings124@ yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com
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Well JEEZ, guys...they had to make room for the dragon with the lisp somewhere! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 6:39 PM i second Martin's ovation! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 6:59 PM (standing ovation) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:06:38 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@michellela urenbooks. com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com As far as the Disposable Negro list goes, does anyone think that the TV version of Ogion the Silent (or Aihal) from SciFi Channel's Legend of Earthsea by Ursula LeGuin would fit the list? In the book, he has a very important role, but it's downplayed tremendously in the Scifi TV miniseries, as if his character (played by Danny Glover) isn't really that important other than teaching Ged a few things and disappearing for the majority of the miniseries. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http:// michellelaurenbo oks.com/? p=1770 ** http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/michellela urenbooks/ join http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Maybe I missed it, but the epitomy of The Disposable Negro would be What's-His-Name from Enterprise... --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:55 PM More than welcome, Michelle! My pleasure to spread the word on good viewing, which this is. And now, ladies and gentles, let us send a not-inconsiderable measure of lothing in the direction of Fox, for failing to inform Michelle and those in her area of the goodness they nearly missed... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:14:43 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@michellela urenbooks. com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Oh cool! Thanks. I'll check it out in my local Target. It's so weird, because when the show was on FOX in my area, I never heard a thing about it. No commercials or anything. I didn't hear anything about Firefly until the movie Serenity came out in theaters. I can see why it has a following if the series is like the movie. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http:// michellelaurenbo oks.com/? p=1770 ** http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/michellela urenbooks/ join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Michelle, do yourself a good service and pick up Firefly. Still $10 for the series collection at Target, last I looked. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:01:47 - From : Michelle Lauren To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I never watched the series of Firefly, but I did see Serenity and I loved it. Chiwetel Ejiofor was chilling as a government assassin-type. He's an amazing actor; very versatile. I think when Joss Whedon likes actors he puts them in several of his projects. I think it's cool that Whedon feels free to portray ethnic characters in positive as well as not so positive roles. It's one thing if he only shows them as thugs, but his AA characters run a range of socio-economic levels, personalities and powers (i.e. from intelligent thugs to mercenaries to deities, as in Gina Torress for the last two). http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
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$10??? (reaching for coin bag and counting out quarters...) --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com wrote: From: Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:14 AM Oh cool! Thanks. I'll check it out in my local Target. It's so weird, because when the show was on FOX in my area, I never heard a thing about it. No commercials or anything. I didn't hear anything about Firefly until the movie Serenity came out in theaters. I can see why it has a following if the series is like the movie. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble. com Gift Certificate. Details here:http://michellelaur enbooks.com/ ?p=1770 ** http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/michellela urenbooks/ join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: Michelle, do yourself a good service and pick up Firefly. Still $10 for the series collection at Target, last I looked. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:01:47 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@.. . To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I never watched the series of Firefly, but I did see Serenity and I loved it. Chiwetel Ejiofor was chilling as a government assassin-type. He's an amazing actor; very versatile. I think when Joss Whedon likes actors he puts them in several of his projects. I think it's cool that Whedon feels free to portray ethnic characters in positive as well as not so positive roles. It's one thing if he only shows them as thugs, but his AA characters run a range of socio-economic levels, personalities and powers (i.e. from intelligent thugs to mercenaries to deities, as in Gina Torress for the last two).
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I've seen them all recently and am in dispair that I spent all my time trying
to be a great writer when They are throwing away stuff like Firefly...I could
have been famous 10 years ago writing gack like the B movies they are showing
on...Hope I ger this right, Martin...Skiffy...
--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com wrote:
From: Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:01 AM
I never watched the series of Firefly, but I did see Serenity and I loved it.
Chiwetel Ejiofor was chilling as a government assassin-type. He's an amazing
actor; very versatile. I think when Joss Whedon likes actors he puts them in
several of his projects.
I think it's cool that Whedon feels free to portray ethnic characters in
positive as well as not so positive roles. It's one thing if he only shows
them as thugs, but his AA characters run a range of socio-economic levels,
personalities and powers (i.e. from intelligent thugs to mercenaries to
deities, as in Gina Torress for the last two).
Michelle Lauren
**Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a
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--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
I felt the same about Kendra. I was first disturbed at the almost slave
attitude she had toward Giles, the respect bordering on servitude. And her
death really pissed me off. But as you say, later Whedon brought in more
Blacks and gave them significant roles. And while I don't look for
interracial relationships (still preferring to see more positive black
couples on TV) I give him respect for putting a black man in a relationship
with a white woman (Gunn and Fred). And didn't Faith get it on with a black
man in one ep of Buffy? So I guess he's not prejudiced.
I did ask myself at one moment why the two assassins in Firefly and
Serenity were both black men (Richard Brooks in the series, Chiwetel
Ejiofor in the movie). That side of me that distrusts blacks being stuck in
certain roles wondered if there was some underlying feeling of brothers
being sinister killers, and naturally scary or something. But thinking
about it, I just concluded that they liked the actors, especially Ejiofor,
whose character was a rather cool but heartless killer.
- Original Message -
From: Michelle Lauren michelle@
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:12:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
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This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African
American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed
in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't
developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have
been. *sigh*
I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in
Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well
as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess
played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series).
Michelle Lauren
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--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@
wrote:
Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a
disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the
storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla
and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica.
I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help
repopulate the human race.
There are so many others to list,where do i start?
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Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suitthe three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on women...Yvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan..com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
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(pawing at ground, baying) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:55:14 -0700 (PDT) From : C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suitthe three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on women...Yvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan..com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Right, pal. Skiffy now, Siffy in -- two and a half weeks. Be sure to pick up
extra protection after the change-over.
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Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:33:55 -0700 (PDT)
From : C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
I've seen them all recently and am in dispair that I spent all my time trying
to be a great writer when They are throwing away stuff like Firefly...I could
have been famous 10 years ago writing gack like the B movies they are showing
on...Hope I ger this right, Martin...Skiffy...
--- On Wed, 6/17/09, Michelle Lauren wrote:
From: Michelle Lauren
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:01 AM
I never watched the series of Firefly, but I did see Serenity and I loved it.
Chiwetel Ejiofor was chilling as a government assassin-type. He's an amazing
actor; very versatile. I think when Joss Whedon likes actors he puts them in
several of his projects.
I think it's cool that Whedon feels free to portray ethnic characters in
positive as well as not so positive roles. It's one thing if he only shows
them as thugs, but his AA characters run a range of socio-economic levels,
personalities and powers (i.e. from intelligent thugs to mercenaries to
deities, as in Gina Torress for the last two).
Michelle Lauren
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--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Keith Johnson wrote:
I felt the same about Kendra. I was first disturbed at the almost slave
attitude she had toward Giles, the respect bordering on servitude. And her
death really pissed me off. But as you say, later Whedon brought in more
Blacks and gave them significant roles. And while I don't look for
interracial relationships (still preferring to see more positive black
couples on TV) I give him respect for putting a black man in a relationship
with a white woman (Gunn and Fred). And didn't Faith get it on with a black
man in one ep of Buffy? So I guess he's not prejudiced.
I did ask myself at one moment why the two assassins in Firefly and
Serenity were both black men (Richard Brooks in the series, Chiwetel
Ejiofor in the movie). That side of me that distrusts blacks being stuck in
certain roles wondered if there was some underlying feeling of brothers
being sinister killers, and naturally scary or something. But thinking
about it, I just concluded that they liked the actors, especially Ejiofor,
whose character was a rather cool but heartless killer.
- Original Message -
From: Michelle Lauren
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:12:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African
American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed
in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't
developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have
been. *sigh*
I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in
Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well
as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess
played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series).
Michelle Lauren
**Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for
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--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote:
Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a
disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the
storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla
and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica.
I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help
repopulate the human race.
There are so many others to list,where do i start?
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LMNAO!!! -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:23:38 -0700 (PDT) From : C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Well JEEZ, guys...they had to make room for the dragon with the lisp somewhere! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Augustus Augustus wrote: From: Augustus Augustus Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 6:39 PM i second Martin's ovation! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 6:59 PM (standing ovation) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:06:38 - From : Michelle Lauren To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com As far as the Disposable Negro list goes, does anyone think that the TV version of Ogion the Silent (or Aihal) from SciFi Channel's Legend of Earthsea by Ursula LeGuin would fit the list? In the book, he has a very important role, but it's downplayed tremendously in the Scifi TV miniseries, as if his character (played by Danny Glover) isn't really that important other than teaching Ged a few things and disappearing for the majority of the miniseries. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http:// michellelaurenbo oks.com/? p=1770 ** http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/michellela urenbooks/ join http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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(hearing Phyliss' footsteps, taking cover) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:13:56 -0700 (PDT) From : C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Um, Keith, you haven't been keeping a close eye on the conselor...(singing) Get around, get around, I get around... --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 10:56 PM Betazoids have numerous lovers? When was that stated? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:31:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I think he hinted at it with Troi (the Beatzoids had numerous lovers) and Dr. Flox (sp? with numerous wives) from Enterprise. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Martin Baxter wrote: Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry' s last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance-- Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend.. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KER OOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings124@ yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought
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C.W., i totally agree with you. when Uhura bust out in the mid-drift for the alternate universe episode. i was totally DONE! Fate. --- On Sat, 6/20/09, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 4:55 AM Yeah, yeah, yeah...but Uhura was great just in the minskirt...when she put of the bare midriff outfit in Mirror, Mirror, She stamped herself on my racial memory! Whenever thar episode pops up on TV, I go looking to mate, dude! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 7:53 AM Which way to the super-cold showers? -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:26:42 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on womenYvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished- looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube. com/watch? v
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ensign travis montgomery. the only really good ep was the one when he went back 2 see his fam after his father passed and he had the sibling riv with his brother. that show cased him and his knowledge of tactics and command. he shined then, but that was his major ep. he was o.k. in a few others, but no break out performances in any but his own. Fate. --- On Sat, 6/20/09, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 4:25 AM Maybe I missed it, but the epitomy of The Disposable Negro would be What's-His-Name from Enterprise.. . --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 5:55 PM More than welcome, Michelle! My pleasure to spread the word on good viewing, which this is. And now, ladies and gentles, let us send a not-inconsiderable measure of lothing in the direction of Fox, for failing to inform Michelle and those in her area of the goodness they nearly missed... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:14:43 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@michellela urenbooks.. com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Oh cool! Thanks.. I'll check it out in my local Target. It's so weird, because when the show was on FOX in my area, I never heard a thing about it. No commercials or anything. I didn't hear anything about Firefly until the movie Serenity came out in theaters. I can see why it has a following if the series is like the movie. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http:// michellelaurenbo oks.com/? p=1770 ** http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/michellela urenbooks/ join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Michelle, do yourself a good service and pick up Firefly. Still $10 for the series collection at Target, last I looked. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:01:47 - From : Michelle Lauren To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com I never watched the series of Firefly, but I did see Serenity and I loved it. Chiwetel Ejiofor was chilling as a government assassin-type. He's an amazing actor; very versatile. I think when Joss Whedon likes actors he puts them in several of his projects. I think it's cool that Whedon feels free to portray ethnic characters in positive as well as not so positive roles. It's one thing if he only shows them as thugs, but his AA characters run a range of socio-economic levels, personalities and powers (i.e. from intelligent thugs to mercenaries to deities, as in Gina Torress for the last two). http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
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--- On Sat, 6/20/09, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 4:23 AM Well JEEZ, guys...they had to make room for the dragon with the lisp somewhere! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com wrote: From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_007@ yahoo.com Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 6:39 PM i second Martin's ovation! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 6:59 PM (standing ovation) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:06:38 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@michellela urenbooks. com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com As far as the Disposable Negro list goes, does anyone think that the TV version of Ogion the Silent (or Aihal) from SciFi Channel's Legend of Earthsea by Ursula LeGuin would fit the list? In the book, he has a very important role, but it's downplayed tremendously in the Scifi TV miniseries, as if his character (played by Danny Glover) isn't really that important other than teaching Ged a few things and disappearing for the majority of the miniseries. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http:// michellelaurenbo oks.com/? p=1770 ** http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/michellela urenbooks/ join http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Keith, when the rumors first hit about TNG, i just knew that they were going 2 have a Deltan. it would have been perfect 4 Picard and Riker on the Enterprise. especially Riker. having 2 deal with a beautiful woman who was celibate. or even a man who was Deltan and then having Troi, Beverly and in the beginning Tasha 2 deal with him. that would have been marvelous! Fate. --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 7:02 PM In the Star Trek movie, the lady wasn't a Betazoid, but a Deltan. Her race wasn't telepathic, but emitted a high level of pheremones that drove human males crazy. Hence, she had a vow of celibacy that was actually on record. As for the habits of Betazoids, I didn't know that. I don't remember them having open relationships being discussed on the series. The only discussion of their customs really came in reference to Luwaxanna Troi, and that was always suspect. Interesting. ... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:41:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list The star trek movie with the bald Betazoid woman. Also it was mentioned in the dialog on STNG. Here is a quote from Startrek.com Betazoids practice an old style of marriage arrangement called genetic bonding, wherein children are promised to each other for marriage later by their parents. On the same note, Betazoids are known for their ability to love more than one person without losing their ability to love their mate, nor are they bound by their marriage customs. Because marriage is a celebration of the act of love to Betazoids, the wedding ceremony itself is traditionally conducted in the nude. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: Betazoids have numerous lovers? When was that stated? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:31:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I think he hinted at it with Troi (the Beatzoids had numerous lovers) and Dr. Flox (sp? with numerous wives) from Enterprise. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry' s last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance-- Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell
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So, there are some CSRs out there with tales to tell, eh? ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:10:16 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I was 38 when I started, so I sowed all of my oats with ATamp;T before that! _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:52 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Well, Gene was on the job out in L.A. Reece... got any stories you'd like to share? ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:51:29 -0500 From : Omari Confer To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I didnt know how much of a player Gene was. c w m On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings...@yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes
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And stop me if you think I'm having too much fun here. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:10:16 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I was 38 when I started, so I sowed all of my oats with ATamp;T before that! _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:52 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Well, Gene was on the job out in L.A. Reece... got any stories you'd like to share? ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:51:29 -0500 From : Omari Confer To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I didnt know how much of a player Gene was. c w m On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings...@yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear
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Now THAT was funny!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:15 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And stop me if you think I'm having too much fun here. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:10:16 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I was 38 when I started, so I sowed all of my oats with ATT before that! _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:52 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Well, Gene was on the job out in L.A. Reece... got any stories you'd like to share? ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:51:29 -0500 From : Omari Confer To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I didnt know how much of a player Gene was. c w m On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings...@yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009
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HH!!! LOLLOL!!! Actually more like TO's, or Teletype Operators! I was a Teletype Repairman. Picked up that skill from the Air Force. The OTHER skills I picked up from TO's!! A, the life of a hands-on Technician! _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:14 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list So, there are some CSRs out there with tales to tell, eh? ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:10:16 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I was 38 when I started, so I sowed all of my oats with ATT before that! _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:52 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Well, Gene was on the job out in L.A. Reece... got any stories you'd like to share? ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:51:29 -0500 From : Omari Confer To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I didnt know how much of a player Gene was. c w m On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings...@yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint
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LMNAATWO!!! And I should know better than to lay out a playa's game in public. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:43:50 -0400 From : Reece Jennings mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com HH!!! LOLLOL!!! Actually more like TO's, or Teletype Operators! I was a Teletype Repairman. Picked up that skill from the Air Force. The OTHER skills I picked up from TO's!! A, the life of a hands-on Technician! _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:14 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list So, there are some CSRs out there with tales to tell, eh? ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : RE: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:10:16 -0400 From : Reece Jennings To : I was 38 when I started, so I sowed all of my oats with ATamp;T before that! _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:52 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Well, Gene was on the job out in L.A. Reece... got any stories you'd like to share? ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:51:29 -0500 From : Omari Confer To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I didnt know how much of a player Gene was. c w m On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings...@yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday
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Yes indeed. He was by all accounts a fairly unassuming, humble, even gentle man, but player indeed! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer clockwork...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:51:29 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I didnt know how much of a player Gene was. c w m On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , George
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Would have been interesting indeed. The show was curiously lacking in romance for much of its run. Indeed, one of the reasons I love DS9 so much is the show was more fully formed in terms of well realized characters. There were issues of parenthood, loss of spouse and children, dating problems, interspecies issues, religious conflicts, marriages and breakups--they had it all ! - Original Message - From: Augustus Augustus jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:08:36 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Keith, when the rumors first hit about TNG, i just knew that they were going 2 have a Deltan. it would have been perfect 4 Picard and Riker on the Enterprise. especially Riker. having 2 deal with a beautiful woman who was celibate. or even a man who was Deltan and then having Troi, Beverly and in the beginning Tasha 2 deal with him. that would have been marvelous! Fate. --- On Thu, 6/18/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 7:02 PM In the Star Trek movie, the lady wasn't a Betazoid, but a Deltan. Her race wasn't telepathic, but emitted a high level of pheremones that drove human males crazy. Hence, she had a vow of celibacy that was actually on record. As for the habits of Betazoids, I didn't know that. I don't remember them having open relationships being discussed on the series. The only discussion of their customs really came in reference to Luwaxanna Troi, and that was always suspect. Interesting. ... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:41:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list The star trek movie with the bald Betazoid woman. Also it was mentioned in the dialog on STNG. Here is a quote from Startrek.com Betazoids practice an old style of marriage arrangement called genetic bonding, wherein children are promised to each other for marriage later by their parents. On the same note, Betazoids are known for their ability to love more than one person without losing their ability to love their mate, nor are they bound by their marriage customs. Because marriage is a celebration of the act of love to Betazoids, the wedding ceremony itself is traditionally conducted in the nude. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: Betazoids have numerous lovers? When was that stated? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:31:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I think he hinted at it with Troi (the Beatzoids had numerous lovers) and Dr. Flox (sp? with numerous wives) from Enterprise. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com wrote: Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry' s last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had
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There's mention of it in Nichelle's autobiography... --- On Fri, 6/19/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, June 19, 2009, 6:15 PM Yes indeed. He was by all accounts a fairly unassuming, humble, even gentle man, but player indeed! - Original Message - From: Omari Confer clockworkman@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 10:51:29 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I didnt know how much of a player Gene was. c w m On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry' s last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance-- Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ lycos.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KER OOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings124@ yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list .And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up
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Well, Gene was on the job out in L.A. Reece... got any stories you'd like to share? ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:51:29 -0500 From : Omari Confer clockwork...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I didnt know how much of a player Gene was. c w m On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings...@yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she
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In the Star Trek movie, the lady wasn't a Betazoid, but a Deltan. Her race wasn't telepathic, but emitted a high level of pheremones that drove human males crazy. Hence, she had a vow of celibacy that was actually on record. As for the habits of Betazoids, I didn't know that. I don't remember them having open relationships being discussed on the series. The only discussion of their customs really came in reference to Luwaxanna Troi, and that was always suspect. Interesting - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:41:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list The star trek movie with the bald Betazoid woman. Also it was mentioned in the dialog on STNG. Here is a quote from Startrek.com Betazoids practice an old style of marriage arrangement called genetic bonding, wherein children are promised to each other for marriage later by their parents. On the same note, Betazoids are known for their ability to love more than one person without losing their ability to love their mate, nor are they bound by their marriage customs. Because marriage is a celebration of the act of love to Betazoids, the wedding ceremony itself is traditionally conducted in the nude. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Betazoids have numerous lovers? When was that stated? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:31:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I think he hinted at it with Troi (the Beatzoids had numerous lovers) and Dr. Flox (sp? with numerous wives) from Enterprise. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail
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I was 38 when I started, so I sowed all of my oats with ATT before that! _ From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:52 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Well, Gene was on the job out in L.A. Reece... got any stories you'd like to share? ;-D -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 18 Jun 2009 09:51:29 -0500 From : Omari Confer clockwork...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I didnt know how much of a player Gene was. c w m On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings...@yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up
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Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings...@yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline
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Good. And Jada was wonderful. Like a lot of new shows, it's going to have to develop, but she's certainly worth the look. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:23:46 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Reece, I understand that he did respect her, very much so. Mind you, this is all, at best, tenth-hand intel. And I plan on catching Hawthorne, if I'm conscious at that time. Today's been bumpy in spots, and the bed's talking to me already. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:39:05 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sigh...well, at least I hope he respected her behind closed doors. I'm watching the last half hour of Lonesome Dove. I'm finding lots of good TV since I cut out all 3-digit channels. Anybody planning to watch Jada Pinkett's new series Hawthorne? Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: Martin Baxter Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:27:40 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Not SF, Lauren. She's a Registered Nurse, but I liked her in the last episode of...crap, brain fart...what's the trilogy? She was a captain and pilot. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:15:58 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Is this show supposed to be science fiction? I saw Jada on the cover of my local TV guide, but I didn't watch the show. I think Jada is a good actress; she seems to be very choosy about what roles she takes, which I respect in any actor/actress. However, because she doesn't appear in films as often as some, I'm not quite sure about her acting ability. I've seen her in two comedies and in the TV show A Different World. However, despite the differences in the characters, her acting remained very similar and somewhat reserved. I'll try to tune in to see what the show is about. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, mcjennings...@... wrote: I'm reserving judgement, especially since Jada is the exec producer. That's the only reason I'm going to look! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:21:54 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I have it on Tivo ,but do we need another medical show? City of Angels should have been the standard bearer of a black drama in prime time and it was set up to fail. Maybe True Blood will have a spin off with the sister in the lead? --- On Tue, 6/16/09, mcjennings...@... mcjennings...@... wrote: From: mcjennings...@... mcjennings...@... Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 11:39 AM Sigh...well, at least I hope he respected her behind closed doors. I'm watching the last half hour of Lonesome Dove. I'm finding lots of good TV since I cut out all 3-digit channels. Anybody planning to watch Jada Pinkett's new series Hawthorne? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From: Martin Baxter Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:27:40 -0400 (EDT) To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KER OOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings124@ yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores
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Nice analysis, Keith. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:48:22 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I watched Hawthorne. It has potential. I like Smith's character loved what she did to her daughter! If they can carve out more uniqueness to the role and be sure to create a character that's Pinkett, and avoid the show being just another medical drama, then it can be really good. I like most of the characters, though the dude from Alias is a bit too obvious seeming in his role: the handsome young doctor who's sensitive and all that. Too Grey's Anatomy or George Clooney for me. Hoping a Brother gets a role other than the walk on doctor, or the dude who had the grave illness. Nice seeing so many women get the spotlight, but that's one thing cable shows give us (The Closer, Saving Grave, In Plain Sight, Army Wives) that's not always as prevalent on the so-called broadcast channels. Enjoyable show overall. - Original Message - From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com To: SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:39:05 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Sigh...well, at least I hope he respected her behind closed doors. I'm watching the last half hour of Lonesome Dove. I'm finding lots of good TV since I cut out all 3-digit channels. Anybody planning to watch Jada Pinkett's new series Hawthorne? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From : Martin Baxter Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:27:40 -0400 (EDT) To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn
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Afraid I didn't see all of it, as things got busy a chez moi as it was airing. I'm going to try to check the TNT site to see if it's available for view there, then lock myself in the bathroom and watch it. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:43:09 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Good. And Jada was wonderful. Like a lot of new shows, it's going to have to develop, but she's certainly worth the look. Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: Martin Baxter Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:23:46 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Reece, I understand that he did respect her, very much so. Mind you, this is all, at best, tenth-hand intel. And I plan on catching Hawthorne, if I'm conscious at that time. Today's been bumpy in spots, and the bed's talking to me already. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:39:05 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 Sigh...well, at least I hope he respected her behind closed doors. I'm watching the last half hour of Lonesome Dove. I'm finding lots of good TV since I cut out all 3-digit channels. Anybody planning to watch Jada Pinkett's new series Hawthorne? Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: Martin Baxter Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:27:40 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http
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Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings...@yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem
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Keith, I have heard that story before, at the one DrgaonCon I ever attended. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:08:06 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I'm positive the thing about dating both women at once, then dumping Nichols for Barrett, is true. Like I said, that confession of eternal love story is one I've read twice, but few people I've discussed it with ever heard the tale... - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:03:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I have never heard of that story and not saying that it is not true. Makes me wonder did or was Kirk character was model after him in some way? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:42 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day
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Yes, Keith, he was, and I know how you were feeling. I was there too, standing up and going, WHA?? Absolutely no reasoning behind it. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:55:55 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Was D.L. the dude who could become intangible? Man was I pissed when they killed his character! What a waste! - Original Message - From: Michelle Lauren To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:27:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Martin, I thought briefly of that principal. He does fit the list - and so does his slayer mother from the 70's, the one Spike killed. It's funny, because Buffy the Series didn't have any regular African Americans on the cast, but Angel did for the majority of the show's run. In Buffy, all the black people who appeared got killed almost immediately or they had minor roles. There was one black male cast in like season 6 or 7 of Buffy. He was part of the Initiative; the guy who plays him is named Leonard something and went on to star in the first season of Heroes as D.L. -- where he was unnecessarily killed in a flashback in volume 2. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter wrote: Michelle, there was also the principal of Sunnydale in the latter season/s of Buffy, played by D.B. Woodside. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:12:52 - From : Michelle Lauren To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have been. *sigh* I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series). Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Keith, if memory serves, Faith was involved with the principal of Sunnydale High in the last season of Buffy. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:54:45 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I felt the same about Kendra. I was first disturbed at the almost slave attitude she had toward Giles, the respect bordering on servitude. And her death really pissed me off. But as you say, later Whedon brought in more Blacks and gave them significant roles. And while I don't look for interracial relationships (still preferring to see more positive black couples on TV) I give him respect for putting a black man in a relationship with a white woman (Gunn and Fred). And didn't Faith get it on with a black man in one ep of Buffy? So I guess he's not prejudiced. I did ask myself at one moment why the two assassins in Firefly and Serenity were both black men (Richard Brooks in the series, Chiwetel Ejiofor in the movie). That side of me that distrusts blacks being stuck in certain roles wondered if there was some underlying feeling of brothers being sinister killers, and naturally scary or something. But thinking about it, I just concluded that they liked the actors, especially Ejiofor, whose character was a rather cool but heartless killer. - Original Message - From: Michelle Lauren To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:12:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have been. *sigh* I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series). Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Forgot to add that he was the brother I mentioned earlier in this thread, played by D.B. Woodside, aka President Wayne Palmer. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:54:45 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I felt the same about Kendra. I was first disturbed at the almost slave attitude she had toward Giles, the respect bordering on servitude. And her death really pissed me off. But as you say, later Whedon brought in more Blacks and gave them significant roles. And while I don't look for interracial relationships (still preferring to see more positive black couples on TV) I give him respect for putting a black man in a relationship with a white woman (Gunn and Fred). And didn't Faith get it on with a black man in one ep of Buffy? So I guess he's not prejudiced. I did ask myself at one moment why the two assassins in Firefly and Serenity were both black men (Richard Brooks in the series, Chiwetel Ejiofor in the movie). That side of me that distrusts blacks being stuck in certain roles wondered if there was some underlying feeling of brothers being sinister killers, and naturally scary or something. But thinking about it, I just concluded that they liked the actors, especially Ejiofor, whose character was a rather cool but heartless killer. - Original Message - From: Michelle Lauren To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:12:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have been. *sigh* I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series). Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Michelle, do yourself a good service and pick up Firefly. Still $10 for the
series collection at Target, last I looked.
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Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:01:47 -
From : Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com
To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
I never watched the series of Firefly, but I did see Serenity and I loved it.
Chiwetel Ejiofor was chilling as a government assassin-type. He's an amazing
actor; very versatile. I think when Joss Whedon likes actors he puts them in
several of his projects.
I think it's cool that Whedon feels free to portray ethnic characters in
positive as well as not so positive roles. It's one thing if he only shows
them as thugs, but his AA characters run a range of socio-economic levels,
personalities and powers (i.e. from intelligent thugs to mercenaries to
deities, as in Gina Torress for the last two).
Michelle Lauren
**Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a
chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details
here:http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 **
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--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Keith Johnson wrote:
I felt the same about Kendra. I was first disturbed at the almost slave
attitude she had toward Giles, the respect bordering on servitude. And her
death really pissed me off. But as you say, later Whedon brought in more
Blacks and gave them significant roles. And while I don't look for
interracial relationships (still preferring to see more positive black
couples on TV) I give him respect for putting a black man in a relationship
with a white woman (Gunn and Fred). And didn't Faith get it on with a black
man in one ep of Buffy? So I guess he's not prejudiced.
I did ask myself at one moment why the two assassins in Firefly and
Serenity were both black men (Richard Brooks in the series, Chiwetel
Ejiofor in the movie). That side of me that distrusts blacks being stuck in
certain roles wondered if there was some underlying feeling of brothers
being sinister killers, and naturally scary or something. But thinking
about it, I just concluded that they liked the actors, especially Ejiofor,
whose character was a rather cool but heartless killer.
- Original Message -
From: Michelle Lauren
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:12:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African
American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed
in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't
developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have
been. *sigh*
I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in
Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well
as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess
played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series).
Michelle Lauren
**Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for
a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:
http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 **
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join
--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote:
Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a
disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the
storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla
and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica.
I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help
repopulate the human race.
There are so many others to list,where do i start?
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Oh cool! Thanks. I'll check it out in my local Target. It's so weird, because when the show was on FOX in my area, I never heard a thing about it. No commercials or anything. I didn't hear anything about Firefly until the movie Serenity came out in theaters. I can see why it has a following if the series is like the movie. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Michelle, do yourself a good service and pick up Firefly. Still $10 for the series collection at Target, last I looked. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:01:47 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I never watched the series of Firefly, but I did see Serenity and I loved it. Chiwetel Ejiofor was chilling as a government assassin-type. He's an amazing actor; very versatile. I think when Joss Whedon likes actors he puts them in several of his projects. I think it's cool that Whedon feels free to portray ethnic characters in positive as well as not so positive roles. It's one thing if he only shows them as thugs, but his AA characters run a range of socio-economic levels, personalities and powers (i.e. from intelligent thugs to mercenaries to deities, as in Gina Torress for the last two).
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I think he hinted at it with Troi (the Beatzoids had numerous lovers) and Dr. Flox (sp? with numerous wives) from Enterprise. On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:32 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.comwrote: Mr Worf, wouldn't surprise me in the least if he actually tried to get an open relationship of some sort across the boards. But I doubt that NBC would've aired it, even in the radical 60s. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:39:51 -0700 From : Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings...@yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't
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More than welcome, Michelle! My pleasure to spread the word on good viewing, which this is. And now, ladies and gentles, let us send a not-inconsiderable measure of lothing in the direction of Fox, for failing to inform Michelle and those in her area of the goodness they nearly missed... -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:14:43 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Oh cool! Thanks. I'll check it out in my local Target. It's so weird, because when the show was on FOX in my area, I never heard a thing about it. No commercials or anything. I didn't hear anything about Firefly until the movie Serenity came out in theaters. I can see why it has a following if the series is like the movie. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: Michelle, do yourself a good service and pick up Firefly. Still $10 for the series collection at Target, last I looked. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:01:47 - From : Michelle Lauren To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I never watched the series of Firefly, but I did see Serenity and I loved it. Chiwetel Ejiofor was chilling as a government assassin-type. He's an amazing actor; very versatile. I think when Joss Whedon likes actors he puts them in several of his projects. I think it's cool that Whedon feels free to portray ethnic characters in positive as well as not so positive roles. It's one thing if he only shows them as thugs, but his AA characters run a range of socio-economic levels, personalities and powers (i.e. from intelligent thugs to mercenaries to deities, as in Gina Torress for the last two). http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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(standing ovation) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:06:38 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com As far as the Disposable Negro list goes, does anyone think that the TV version of Ogion the Silent (or Aihal) from SciFi Channel's Legend of Earthsea by Ursula LeGuin would fit the list? In the book, he has a very important role, but it's downplayed tremendously in the Scifi TV miniseries, as if his character (played by Danny Glover) isn't really that important other than teaching Ged a few things and disappearing for the majority of the miniseries. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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i second Martin's ovation! --- On Wed, 6/17/09, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com wrote: From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 6:59 PM (standing ovation) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:06:38 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@michellela urenbooks. com To : scifino...@yahoogro ups.com As far as the Disposable Negro list goes, does anyone think that the TV version of Ogion the Silent (or Aihal) from SciFi Channel's Legend of Earthsea by Ursula LeGuin would fit the list? In the book, he has a very important role, but it's downplayed tremendously in the Scifi TV miniseries, as if his character (played by Danny Glover) isn't really that important other than teaching Ged a few things and disappearing for the majority of the miniseries. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http:// michellelaurenbo oks.com/? p=1770 ** http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/michellela urenbooks/ join http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Ha! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 2:39:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Is that why they did a few episodes around Alzheimer's disease? I think there were three of them. One with Sarek, one with Troi's mom, and one with a one time character that was mentally attacking Troi? Maybe Gene wanted to do an open relationship or 3way? It WAS the 60s! :) On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get
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Gracias. - Original Message - From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com To: SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 3:51:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Nice analysis, Keith. Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From : Keith Johnson Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:48:22 + (UTC) To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I watched Hawthorne. It has potential. I like Smith's character loved what she did to her daughter! If they can carve out more uniqueness to the role and be sure to create a character that's Pinkett, and avoid the show being just another medical drama, then it can be really good. I like most of the characters, though the dude from Alias is a bit too obvious seeming in his role: the handsome young doctor who's sensitive and all that. Too Grey's Anatomy or George Clooney for me. Hoping a Brother gets a role other than the walk on doctor, or the dude who had the grave illness. Nice seeing so many women get the spotlight, but that's one thing cable shows give us (The Closer, Saving Grave, In Plain Sight, Army Wives) that's not always as prevalent on the so-called broadcast channels. Enjoyable show overall. - Original Message - From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com To: SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:39:05 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Sigh...well, at least I hope he respected her behind closed doors. I'm watching the last half hour of Lonesome Dove. I'm finding lots of good TV since I cut out all 3-digit channels. Anybody planning to watch Jada Pinkett's new series Hawthorne? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From : Martin Baxter Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:27:40 -0400 (EDT) To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate
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Then it must be true! :) - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:36:37 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Keith, I have heard that story before, at the one DrgaonCon I ever attended. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 05:08:06 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com I'm positive the thing about dating both women at once, then dumping Nichols for Barrett, is true. Like I said, that confession of eternal love story is one I've read twice, but few people I've discussed it with ever heard the tale... - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:03:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I have never heard of that story and not saying that it is not true. Makes me wonder did or was Kirk character was model after him in some way? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:42 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote
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none at all... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 8:42:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yes, Keith, he was, and I know how you were feeling. I was there too, standing up and going, WHA?? Absolutely no reasoning behind it. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Wed, 17 Jun 2009 04:55:55 + (UTC) From : Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Was D.L. the dude who could become intangible? Man was I pissed when they killed his character! What a waste! - Original Message - From: Michelle Lauren To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:27:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Martin, I thought briefly of that principal. He does fit the list - and so does his slayer mother from the 70's, the one Spike killed. It's funny, because Buffy the Series didn't have any regular African Americans on the cast, but Angel did for the majority of the show's run. In Buffy, all the black people who appeared got killed almost immediately or they had minor roles. There was one black male cast in like season 6 or 7 of Buffy. He was part of the Initiative; the guy who plays him is named Leonard something and went on to star in the first season of Heroes as D.L. -- where he was unnecessarily killed in a flashback in volume 2. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter wrote: Michelle, there was also the principal of Sunnydale in the latter season/s of Buffy, played by D.B. Woodside. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:12:52 - From : Michelle Lauren To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have been. *sigh* I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series). Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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I agree with you.
You must watch the series Firefly. Serenity is really good, but it's like a
great hamburger, whereas the series in toto is like a week of steak dinners.
You have to see some stuff about the Reavers early on to appreciate them fully
in the movie, get to know Caley (sp?) as the funny/shy/sexy mechanic to
appreciate her jumping the doc at the endget pulled into the mystery of the
Preacher to see there's way more to him than meets the eye...
Such a great cast and so much potential wasted. Definitely watch it.
- Original Message -
From: Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:01:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
I never watched the series of Firefly, but I did see Serenity and I loved it.
Chiwetel Ejiofor was chilling as a government assassin-type. He's an amazing
actor; very versatile. I think when Joss Whedon likes actors he puts them in
several of his projects.
I think it's cool that Whedon feels free to portray ethnic characters in
positive as well as not so positive roles. It's one thing if he only shows
them as thugs, but his AA characters run a range of socio-economic levels,
personalities and powers (i.e. from intelligent thugs to mercenaries to
deities, as in Gina Torress for the last two).
Michelle Lauren
**Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a
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--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ wrote:
I felt the same about Kendra. I was first disturbed at the almost slave
attitude she had toward Giles, the respect bordering on servitude. And her
death really pissed me off. But as you say, later Whedon brought in more
Blacks and gave them significant roles. And while I don't look for
interracial relationships (still preferring to see more positive black
couples on TV) I give him respect for putting a black man in a relationship
with a white woman (Gunn and Fred). And didn't Faith get it on with a black
man in one ep of Buffy? So I guess he's not prejudiced.
I did ask myself at one moment why the two assassins in Firefly and
Serenity were both black men (Richard Brooks in the series, Chiwetel
Ejiofor in the movie). That side of me that distrusts blacks being stuck in
certain roles wondered if there was some underlying feeling of brothers
being sinister killers, and naturally scary or something. But thinking
about it, I just concluded that they liked the actors, especially Ejiofor,
whose character was a rather cool but heartless killer.
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From: Michelle Lauren michelle@
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:12:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list
This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African
American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed
in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't
developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have
been. *sigh*
I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in
Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well
as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess
played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series).
Michelle Lauren
**Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for
a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:
http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 **
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--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@
wrote:
Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a
disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the
storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla
and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica.
I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help
repopulate the human race.
There are so many others to list,where do i start?
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And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /
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No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /
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None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Rent Isaac Hayes underappreciated Black exploitation classic Truck Turner and she her in a whole new light. --- On Tue, 6/16/09, mcjennings...@yahoo.com mcjennings...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com mcjennings...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 8:06 AM No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 -0700 (PDT) To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.brennan@ gmail..com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ ... wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /
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Such a fine film, and her character had such a mouth on her. Justin On 16-Jun-09, at 11:06 AM, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com wrote: Rent Isaac Hayes underappreciated Black exploitation classic Truck Turner and she her in a whole new light. --- On Tue, 6/16/09, mcjennings...@yahoo.com mcjennings...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com mcjennings...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 8:06 AM No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 -0700 (PDT) To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.brennan@ gmail.com wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.brennan@ gmail..com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ ... wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/ add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links Messages in this topic (8) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=map MARKETPLACE (1) New IQ Challenge. 92.6% of Americans get this question wrong!. How Many Triangles? 92.6% of Americans Fail this Question!. Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe RECENT ACTIVITY 1 New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! Groups
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Sigh...well, at least I hope he respected her behind closed doors. I'm watching the last half hour of Lonesome Dove. I'm finding lots of good TV since I cut out all 3-digit channels. Anybody planning to watch Jada Pinkett's new series Hawthorne? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:27:40 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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And that was *such* a delight to me. I remember cawing in glee at seeing Uhura saying those wirty durds... ;-) -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:12:26 -0400 From : Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@gmail.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Such a fine film, and her character had such a mouth on her. Justin On 16-Jun-09, at 11:06 AM, George Arterberry wrote: Rent Isaac Hayes underappreciated Black exploitation classic Truck Turner and she her in a whole new light. --- On Tue, 6/16/09, mcjennings...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: SciFi2 Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 8:06 AM No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 -0700 (PDT) To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/ add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links Messages in this topic (8) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=map MARKETPLACE (1) New IQ Challenge. 92.6% of Americans get this question wrong!. How Many Triangles? 92.6% of Americans Fail this Question!. Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe RECENT ACTIVITY 1 New Members Visit Your Group Yahoo! Groups http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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I have it on Tivo ,but do we need another medical show? City of Angels should have been the standard bearer of a black drama in prime time and it was set up to fail. Maybe True Blood will have a spin off with the sister in the lead? --- On Tue, 6/16/09, mcjennings...@yahoo.com mcjennings...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com mcjennings...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 11:39 AM Sigh...well, at least I hope he respected her behind closed doors. I'm watching the last half hour of Lonesome Dove. I'm finding lots of good TV since I cut out all 3-digit channels. Anybody planning to watch Jada Pinkett's new series Hawthorne? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From: Martin Baxter Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:27:40 -0400 (EDT) To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KER OOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings124@ yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
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I'm reserving judgement, especially since Jada is the exec producer. That's the only reason I'm going to look! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:21:54 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I have it on Tivo ,but do we need another medical show? City of Angels should have been the standard bearer of a black drama in prime time and it was set up to fail. Maybe True Blood will have a spin off with the sister in the lead? --- On Tue, 6/16/09, mcjennings...@yahoo.com mcjennings...@yahoo.com wrote: From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com mcjennings...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 11:39 AM Sigh...well, at least I hope he respected her behind closed doors. I'm watching the last half hour of Lonesome Dove. I'm finding lots of good TV since I cut out all 3-digit channels. Anybody planning to watch Jada Pinkett's new series Hawthorne? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From: Martin Baxter Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:27:40 -0400 (EDT) To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KER OOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings124@ yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Reece, I understand that he did respect her, very much so. Mind you, this is all, at best, tenth-hand intel. And I plan on catching Hawthorne, if I'm conscious at that time. Today's been bumpy in spots, and the bed's talking to me already. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:39:05 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sigh...well, at least I hope he respected her behind closed doors. I'm watching the last half hour of Lonesome Dove. I'm finding lots of good TV since I cut out all 3-digit channels. Anybody planning to watch Jada Pinkett's new series Hawthorne? Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: Martin Baxter Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:27:40 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATamp;T -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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Justin, I can see your point about principal Wood. He appeared in a lot of episodes during that season of Buffy. I watched sporadically though season 7, but he never really grabbed me as an interesting character. Even his short-lived relationship with Faith didn't make me interested in watching him. I like the actor who plays him, though. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here:http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Justin Mohareb justinmoha...@... wrote: Well, principal Wood was a fairly significant addition to S7. He suffered in that he wasn't Spike. I really like the flashback stuff with his mother. The initiative was S4. Forrest ended up a cyber-zombie. Justin On 16-Jun-09, at 12:27 PM, Michelle Lauren miche...@... wrote: Martin, I thought briefly of that principal. He does fit the list - and so does his slayer mother from the 70's, the one Spike killed. It's funny, because Buffy the Series didn't have any regular African Americans on the cast, but Angel did for the majority of the show's run. In Buffy, all the black people who appeared got killed almost immediately or they had minor roles. There was one black male cast in like season 6 or 7 of Buffy. He was part of the Initiative; the guy who plays him is named Leonard something and went on to star in the first season of Heroes as D.L. -- where he was unnecessarily killed in a flashback in volume 2. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: Michelle, there was also the principal of Sunnydale in the latter season/s of Buffy, played by D.B. Woodside. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:12:52 - From : Michelle Lauren michelle@ To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have been. *sigh* I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series). Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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A true blood spin off would be an interesting idea. There are a lot of stories that could be told in their universe. On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:21 AM, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@yahoo.com wrote: I have it on Tivo ,but do we need another medical show? City of Angels should have been the standard bearer of a black drama in prime time and it was set up to fail. Maybe True Blood will have a spin off with the sister in the lead? --- On *Tue, 6/16/09, mcjennings...@yahoo.com mcjennings...@yahoo.com*wrote: From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com mcjennings...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 11:39 AM Sigh...well, at least I hope he respected her behind closed doors. I'm watching the last half hour of Lonesome Dove. I'm finding lots of good TV since I cut out all 3-digit channels. Anybody planning to watch Jada Pinkett's new series Hawthorne? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -- *From*: Martin Baxter *Date*: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:27:40 -0400 (EDT) *To*: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com *Subject*: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KER OOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- *Subject : *Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list *Date : *Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + *From : *mcjennings124@ yahoo.com *To : *SciFi2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=JQdwk8Yntds -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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Uhura was definitely easy on the eyes, especially the legs, so representative of a sister's body, and so missed in this modern world where skinny, anorexic-looking actresses are held up as the standard of beauty. But you know, I remember many of those guest actresses as much as, if not more than, Uhura: The actress who played Andrea--the raven-haired android beauty in What Are Little Girls Made of?, with that eye-catching work suit...the three ladies in Mudd's Women, who have their beauty enhanced when taking that crazy drug, especially the one with the long black hair...the beautiful Dr. Helen Noel (character name chosen because she met Kirk on Christmas day), who looked especially fetching in that soft-focus effect Trek often used on women...Yvonne Batgirl Craig's, lithe, gracefully, ferally crazy but undeniably appealing Green Orion Slave Girl Marta in Whom Gods Destroy...the Native lady an amnesiac Kirk (as Kurok) marries in The Paradise Syndrome who was the essence of 60s/70s beauty. You know, the OS alone had more attractive guest stars than a whole season's worth of the malnourished-looking, surgically enhanced people often held up nowadays. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 5:51:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list ...And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail.com wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan adrianne.bren...@gmail..com Subject: Re: [ scifinoir 2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo. com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ ... wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /
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Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile
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I watched Hawthorne. It has potential. I like Smith's character loved what she did to her daughter! If they can carve out more uniqueness to the role and be sure to create a character that's Pinkett, and avoid the show being just another medical drama, then it can be really good. I like most of the characters, though the dude from Alias is a bit too obvious seeming in his role: the handsome young doctor who's sensitive and all that. Too Grey's Anatomy or George Clooney for me. Hoping a Brother gets a role other than the walk on doctor, or the dude who had the grave illness. Nice seeing so many women get the spotlight, but that's one thing cable shows give us (The Closer, Saving Grave, In Plain Sight, Army Wives) that's not always as prevalent on the so-called broadcast channels. Enjoyable show overall. - Original Message - From: mcjennings...@yahoo.com To: SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:39:05 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Sigh...well, at least I hope he respected her behind closed doors. I'm watching the last half hour of Lonesome Dove. I'm finding lots of good TV since I cut out all 3-digit channels. Anybody planning to watch Jada Pinkett's new series Hawthorne? Sent via BlackBerry by ATT From : Martin Baxter Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 08:27:40 -0400 (EDT) To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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I felt the same about Kendra. I was first disturbed at the almost slave attitude she had toward Giles, the respect bordering on servitude. And her death really pissed me off. But as you say, later Whedon brought in more Blacks and gave them significant roles. And while I don't look for interracial relationships (still preferring to see more positive black couples on TV) I give him respect for putting a black man in a relationship with a white woman (Gunn and Fred). And didn't Faith get it on with a black man in one ep of Buffy? So I guess he's not prejudiced. I did ask myself at one moment why the two assassins in Firefly and Serenity were both black men (Richard Brooks in the series, Chiwetel Ejiofor in the movie). That side of me that distrusts blacks being stuck in certain roles wondered if there was some underlying feeling of brothers being sinister killers, and naturally scary or something. But thinking about it, I just concluded that they liked the actors, especially Ejiofor, whose character was a rather cool but heartless killer. - Original Message - From: Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:12:52 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have been. *sigh* I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series). Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 BarnesNoble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhoward@ wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /
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Was D.L. the dude who could become intangible? Man was I pissed when they killed his character! What a waste! - Original Message - From: Michelle Lauren miche...@michellelaurenbooks.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:27:00 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [RE][scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Martin, I thought briefly of that principal. He does fit the list - and so does his slayer mother from the 70's, the one Spike killed. It's funny, because Buffy the Series didn't have any regular African Americans on the cast, but Angel did for the majority of the show's run. In Buffy, all the black people who appeared got killed almost immediately or they had minor roles. There was one black male cast in like season 6 or 7 of Buffy. He was part of the Initiative; the guy who plays him is named Leonard something and went on to star in the first season of Heroes as D.L. -- where he was unnecessarily killed in a flashback in volume 2. Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: Michelle, there was also the principal of Sunnydale in the latter season/s of Buffy, played by D.B. Woodside. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:12:52 - From : Michelle Lauren miche...@... To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com This is a great idea for a list. I nominate Kendra Young, the first African American slayer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer. She was introduced and killed in one episode. Her character could have had a lot of potential but wasn't developed. When she died, the storyline wasn't affected, but it SHOULD have been. *sigh* I can't be angry at Joss Whedon though. He does include black characters in Buffy and the spinoff series, Angel, that were recurring characters as well as likable and important to the plot (such as Gunn and the demigoddess played by Gina Torres from Angel the Series). Michelle Lauren **Purchase my multicultural scifi romance Starstruck: Hunter thru 6/30 for a chance to WIN a $20 Barnesamp;Noble.com Gift Certificate. Details here: http://michellelaurenbooks.com/?p=1770 ** http://groups.yahoo.com/group/michellelaurenbooks/join --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? - - -- Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 /app/peoplemap2/ entry/add? fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/scifinoir2 / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
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I have never heard of that story and not saying that it is not true. Makes me wonder did or was Kirk character was model after him in some way? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:42 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifino...@yahoogro
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I'm positive the thing about dating both women at once, then dumping Nichols for Barrett, is true. Like I said, that confession of eternal love story is one I've read twice, but few people I've discussed it with ever heard the tale... - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:03:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I have never heard of that story and not saying that it is not true. Makes me wonder did or was Kirk character was model after him in some way? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:42 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via BlackBerry by ATT -Original Message- From: C.W. Badie Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 02:51:39 To: Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list And consistently the most beautiful babe on the show...pardon the chauvinism, but she was gorgeous! --- On Thu, 6/11/09, Adrianne Brennan wrote: From: Adrianne Brennan Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, June 11, 2009, 12:26 PM I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adrianne brennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adrianne brennan.com/ books.html# the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge
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I actually think Roddenberry preferred the more thoughtful, introspective captain to the man-of-action lover of Kirk. Remember that Jeffrey Hunter--he of the steely gaze and intense but controlled emotions--was his first choice for ship's captain. Hunter had a more tightly controlled manner to him than the Kirk that emerged by series' end (though it's worth noting that Kirk in the first season also was more controlled than he became later) And note that Patrick Stewart's controlled, intellectual Picard was his next choice. Roddenberry has said that with Picard he finally got the captain he'd always envisioned. He liked Kirk--a lot. But Gene's feeling was always that humanity would be more sophisticated, a bit less driven by base emotions in the future. So while he needed a man of action, he felt it would be a man who took action after some thought. That's why he wanted a Continental man like Picard. Gene liked the European image, the idea of a captain that loves classical music, reads Greek, is a trained archeologist, and more of a diplomat than a straight-out soldier. Picard reflects Gene's view of the future man more than the action-oriented, womanizing Kirk. Remember the early season or two of TNG? Picard was always calling conference in the middle of a crisis, then going off to meet with his staff. There was the show where a race of master strategists staged a mock battle between Picard and a beatup ship commanded by Riker. Picard protested the whole affair at first saying Starfleet is an exploratory organization, not a military one. That illogical statement reflected Roddenberry's belief that humanity in the future will be more sophisticated, less warlike, less controlled by all emotions. - Original Message - From: wlro...@aol.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 1:03:41 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list I have never heard of that story and not saying that it is not true. Makes me wonder did or was Kirk character was model after him in some way? --Lavender From: Keith Johnson Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 12:42 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Yeah, Roddenberry was dating Nichelle Nichols and Majel Barrett at the same time. Indeed, Nichols related that Roddenberry used to take her riding on his motorcycle. One day he said, I need you to meet someone. They drove to a house, Gene walks up and knocks on the door, and Majel answers. Gene introduces the ladies, and Nichols says she realized at that moment he was not only two-timing her, but was going to marry Barrett. (Actually, he may have been three-timing her. He had a previous wife of nearly three decades whom he divorced sometime during this period, so he may have started affairs with Nichols and Barrett while still being married. Not sure). A sad final chapter in this strange tale. Evidently Roddenberry's last years were marked by increasingly ill health. not sure what he had, but it's why he had to relinguish creative control of The Next Generation. At any rate, in those final years, Gene had some mental difficulties. At a big party given in his honor---a party in which most of the OS Trek alumni and showrunners were in attendance--Gene appears in a highly agitated and confused state. In front of all the guests--including his wife Majel--Roddenberry walks over to Nichele Nichols and confesses his undying love for her. You're the one I really loved, Nichelle! I should have married you, Nichelle! he exclaimed. Nichols had to keep her composure and tell the crowd that Gene was just ill and didn't know what he said. I've read this account more than once. Hope it's not just an urban legend. Don't know if it was recorded in Nichols' official autobiography. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@lycos.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 8:27:40 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list None whatsoever. Roddenberry recognized it by putting her right behind KEROOK on the Bridge, so that she (or at least *parts*) of her made it in shot. And, if the tales I've heard are true, Roddenberry did *more* than just recognize her beauty... he *appreciated* it in a way *all* men wish they could've. -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : Re: [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Tue, 16 Jun 2009 12:06:29 + From : mcjennings...@yahoo.com To : SciFi2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com No chauvinism in recognizing beauty. I was flipping channels (a chore without a remote), and I saw her at that console. I was just back from 18 months in the Philippines, and I was appreciating Black Women. And here is Uhura. Lawd! Sent via
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I dunno, I've always thought Uhura kicked ass. :D ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of Blood of the Dark Moon: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/botdm.html Take a bite out of Blood and Mint Chocolates: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/bamc.html Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:22 PM, ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry brotherfromhow...@... wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links
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LMNAATWO! Sorry, Yeoman Rand, you're just not makin' it! -[ Received Mail Content ]-- Subject : [scifinoir2] Re: The Disposible Negro in sci-fi list Date : Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:22:56 - From : ravenadal ravena...@yahoo.com To : scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Beware of the Disposable Negro Effect which is akin to the butterfly effect. You may think a negro is disposable but then you remove them and all heck breaks loose. I mean haven't you seen Douglass Turner Ward's Day of Absence where all the negroes disappear one day and all the white folks don't have a clue as to what to do? I mean take something as innocuous as Lt. Uhura on Star Trek. You would think she was a disposable negro, afterall, anybody can answer the phone, but it totally ignores the fact that her showing up on the bridge everyday in those boots and that mini-skirt made the mens, James T. and the rest of dem, happy - heck - eager to come to work. Remove Uhura and it gone get snarly, snarky and plum ugly up in there quick and in a hurry. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, George Arterberry wrote: Please list the greatest disposible Negroes in sci-fi.What is a disposible Negro you ask? Well if he or she is removed from the storyline it wont change one iota. I'll nominate Anastasia Dee Dualla and her totally uncalled for suicide in Battlestar Galactica. I mean we needed at least some sisters in modern-day Tanzinia to help repopulate the human race. There are so many others to list,where do i start? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQdwk8Yntds
