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Here is Verison's comments: http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/09/ouch-verizon-defends-setting-broadband-bar-low.ars On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: And this is why we can't get people to understand how a public option in health care is a good idea. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 9:36:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband The thing that bugged me was that they never tried any alternative models. Only one was ever tried. They could have tried the portal method. where there is advertisements on the pages that are used. (they could have also used a subscription method too) I think people would be happy to pay for an access to the net anywhere in the city. But of course that is where the ISPs would have a problem. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Of course, the business model won't work. The businesses won't make money. Martin (spitting again) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:01:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband San Francisco got close to having citywide wifi and it was blocked by comcast in a board of supervisors meeting. (of course) The city decided that they would offer it on their own then said that the business model wouldn't work. So now there are a couple of senior buildings that have it and not much else. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th
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So... technologically, Verizon wants us to be a Third-World country. Thanks, guys! For *nothing*. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 00:04:25 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband Here is Verison's comments: http://arstechnica.com/telecom/news/2009/09/ouch-verizon-defends-setting-broadband-bar-low.ars On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: And this is why we can't get people to understand how a public option in health care is a good idea. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 9:36:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband The thing that bugged me was that they never tried any alternative models. Only one was ever tried. They could have tried the portal method. where there is advertisements on the pages that are used. (they could have also used a subscription method too) I think people would be happy to pay for an access to the net anywhere in the city. But of course that is where the ISPs would have a problem. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Of course, the business model won't work. The businesses won't make money. Martin (spitting again) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:01:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband San Francisco got close to having citywide wifi and it was blocked by comcast in a board of supervisors meeting. (of course) The city decided that they would offer it on their own then said that the business model wouldn't work. So now there are a couple of senior buildings that have it and not much else. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband
PreCISELY, my friend. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 04:09:23 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband And this is why we can't get people to understand how a public option in health care is a good idea. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 9:36:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband The thing that bugged me was that they never tried any alternative models. Only one was ever tried. They could have tried the portal method. where there is advertisements on the pages that are used. (they could have also used a subscription method too) I think people would be happy to pay for an access to the net anywhere in the city. But of course that is where the ISPs would have a problem. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Of course, the business model won't work. The businesses won't make money. Martin (spitting again) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:01:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband San Francisco got close to having citywide wifi and it was blocked by comcast in a board of supervisors meeting. (of course) The city decided that they would offer it on their own then said that the business model wouldn't work. So now there are a couple of senior buildings that have it and not much else. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying
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Mr Worf, as Keith so aptly put it, this is all scarily analogous to the health-care issue. The people who have the power don't want the change, for fear that it'll dent their profit margins. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 18:36:12 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband The thing that bugged me was that they never tried any alternative models. Only one was ever tried. They could have tried the portal method. where there is advertisements on the pages that are used. (they could have also used a subscription method too) I think people would be happy to pay for an access to the net anywhere in the city. But of course that is where the ISPs would have a problem. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Of course, the business model won't work. The businesses won't make money. Martin (spitting again) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:01:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband San Francisco got close to having citywide wifi and it was blocked by comcast in a board of supervisors meeting. (of course) The city decided that they would offer it on their own then said that the business model wouldn't work. So now there are a couple of senior buildings that have it and not much else. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest
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Of course, the business model won't work. The businesses won't make money. Martin (spitting again) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:01:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband San Francisco got close to having citywide wifi and it was blocked by comcast in a board of supervisors meeting. (of course) The city decided that they would offer it on their own then said that the business model wouldn't work. So now there are a couple of senior buildings that have it and not much else. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ __ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness
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And, while I'm here, allow me to blame Ronnie Reagan for this. He's the clown who started the deregulation ball rolling for the cable industry, allowing the companies the power to pull this kind of crap. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:01:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband San Francisco got close to having citywide wifi and it was blocked by comcast in a board of supervisors meeting. (of course) The city decided that they would offer it on their own then said that the business model wouldn't work. So now there are a couple of senior buildings that have it and not much else. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ __ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group
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(standing ovation) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2009 04:38:39 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ __ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 _ Windows Live: Make it easier for your friends to see what you’re up to on Facebook. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_facebook:082009
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true, true! - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 7:48:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband And, while I'm here, allow me to blame Ronnie Reagan for this. He's the clown who started the deregulation ball rolling for the cable industry, allowing the companies the power to pull this kind of crap. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:01:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband San Francisco got close to having citywide wifi and it was blocked by comcast in a board of supervisors meeting. (of course) The city decided that they would offer it on their own then said that the business model wouldn't work. So now there are a couple of senior buildings that have it and not much else. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ __ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group
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The thing that bugged me was that they never tried any alternative models. Only one was ever tried. They could have tried the portal method. where there is advertisements on the pages that are used. (they could have also used a subscription method too) I think people would be happy to pay for an access to the net anywhere in the city. But of course that is where the ISPs would have a problem. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Of course, the business model won't work. The businesses won't make money. Martin (spitting again) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:01:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband San Francisco got close to having citywide wifi and it was blocked by comcast in a board of supervisors meeting. (of course) The city decided that they would offer it on their own then said that the business model wouldn't work. So now there are a couple of senior buildings that have it and not much else. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ __ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 -- Bringing
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And this is why we can't get people to understand how a public option in health care is a good idea. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 9:36:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband The thing that bugged me was that they never tried any alternative models. Only one was ever tried. They could have tried the portal method. where there is advertisements on the pages that are used. (they could have also used a subscription method too) I think people would be happy to pay for an access to the net anywhere in the city. But of course that is where the ISPs would have a problem. On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:46 AM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: Of course, the business model won't work. The businesses won't make money. Martin (spitting again) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:01:17 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband San Francisco got close to having citywide wifi and it was blocked by comcast in a board of supervisors meeting. (of course) The city decided that they would offer it on their own then said that the business model wouldn't work. So now there are a couple of senior buildings that have it and not much else. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany
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I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009
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I agree. That is why I posted it. Not a lot of people are following this story, and the media isn't really covering it. They figure that if they can snowjob congress into giving them money for doing nothing, then they will be better off. They have been making excuses about broadband availability for 10 years now. They lie a lot. It is the corporate standard of operation. When I lived in San Francisco they tried to block offering cable to people in several parts of the city even though they had the conduits there. The main feed for the city ran down my street but it took several years for them to offer it to my neighborhood. (and other incidents) I have no love for them at all. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:13 AM, daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ __ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009
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This is the same industry that claims it's not possible to offer generic cable boxes to be stocked in stores. That we can't have a situation where one could do a one-time payment and keep the box for life, instead of paying fees to the companies forever. I have asked my ATT, then Comcast, reps this question, and they have actually tried to give me scientific reasons why it's not feasible. I don't bother telling them I have a degree in electrical engineering, and that back in the day I could build a basic cable filter from parts at Radio Shack. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 3:54:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I agree. That is why I posted it. Not a lot of people are following this story, and the media isn't really covering it. They figure that if they can snowjob congress into giving them money for doing nothing, then they will be better off. They have been making excuses about broadband availability for 10 years now. They lie a lot. It is the corporate standard of operation. When I lived in San Francisco they tried to block offering cable to people in several parts of the city even though they had the conduits there. The main feed for the city ran down my street but it took several years for them to offer it to my neighborhood. (and other incidents) I have no love for them at all. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:13 AM, daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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That is funny because they used to sell them here for years. I think they only started saying that they couldn't have them because people were able to get their hands on unlocked boxes so cheaply. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: This is the same industry that claims it's not possible to offer generic cable boxes to be stocked in stores. That we can't have a situation where one could do a one-time payment and keep the box for life, instead of paying fees to the companies forever. I have asked my ATT, then Comcast, reps this question, and they have actually tried to give me scientific reasons why it's not feasible. I don't bother telling them I have a degree in electrical engineering, and that back in the day I could build a basic cable filter from parts at Radio Shack. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 3:54:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I agree. That is why I posted it. Not a lot of people are following this story, and the media isn't really covering it. They figure that if they can snowjob congress into giving them money for doing nothing, then they will be better off. They have been making excuses about broadband availability for 10 years now. They lie a lot. It is the corporate standard of operation. When I lived in San Francisco they tried to block offering cable to people in several parts of the city even though they had the conduits there. The main feed for the city ran down my street but it took several years for them to offer it to my neighborhood. (and other incidents) I have no love for them at all. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:13 AM, daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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They weren't widely sold at all... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 5, 2009 12:51:13 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband That is funny because they used to sell them here for years. I think they only started saying that they couldn't have them because people were able to get their hands on unlocked boxes so cheaply. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: This is the same industry that claims it's not possible to offer generic cable boxes to be stocked in stores. That we can't have a situation where one could do a one-time payment and keep the box for life, instead of paying fees to the companies forever. I have asked my ATT, then Comcast, reps this question, and they have actually tried to give me scientific reasons why it's not feasible. I don't bother telling them I have a degree in electrical engineering, and that back in the day I could build a basic cable filter from parts at Radio Shack. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 3:54:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I agree. That is why I posted it. Not a lot of people are following this story, and the media isn't really covering it. They figure that if they can snowjob congress into giving them money for doing nothing, then they will be better off. They have been making excuses about broadband availability for 10 years now. They lie a lot. It is the corporate standard of operation. When I lived in San Francisco they tried to block offering cable to people in several parts of the city even though they had the conduits there. The main feed for the city ran down my street but it took several years for them to offer it to my neighborhood. (and other incidents) I have no love for them at all. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:13 AM, daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo ! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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San Francisco got close to having citywide wifi and it was blocked by comcast in a board of supervisors meeting. (of course) The city decided that they would offer it on their own then said that the business model wouldn't work. So now there are a couple of senior buildings that have it and not much else. On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:38 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Here in Atlanta, a company named Clear is all over the place selling true wifi service. They have these little green pavilions setup at movie theatres, in shopping center parking lots, etc. They guarantee wifi service all over the city, for home and laptops, and from what I hear, it's pretty good, pretty widespread, and pretty reliable. The problem? We shouldn't be *paying* for citywide wifi! A few years back, several cities in the US--Philadelphia, Chicago, San Francisco, Atlanta--either proposed free citywide wifi for the populace, or were actually in the process of implementing it. What happened? The telecoms cried foul!, said it was unfair competition, and went to work with their lobbyists. As result, state legislatures all over the country started quashing the concept. So now, instead of cash-strapped people being able to access wifi without having to pay for a meal or coffee or something, they have to pay forty bucks a month for the privilege. Just as with health care, until Americans get that making some things available to all people actually *helps* all people, stuff like this will continue. In this country, capitalism and the myth of rugged individualism are considered near-Divine concepts, even as the big companies and those in power screw the populace. Anything else is just socialism. - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:13:44 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: comment: The FCC and broadband I saw that crap. What they are trying to do is a typical protect the bottom line corporate dodge. And meanwhile the world marches further into the 21st century. BTW Australia is implementing a national broadband network. So that whole size of the landmass b***s*** they are trying to use to redifine broadband is a bunch of hogwash. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: BASTICHES. Screw us over at any turn, they will. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: politicalpe...@yahoogroups.com politicalpervs%40yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@... Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 16:57:00 -0700 Subject: [scifinoir2] comment: The FCC and broadband Broadband companies have been petitioning the FCC this week to change the definition of what can be called broadband. That means that if they succeed that they can slow down the speed to 128k and still call it broadband. It is possible that ATT, Comcast and others are trying to change the definition so they don't have to spend money bringing broadband to rural customers. Many of whom don't receive anything or very slow dialup. This way they can squeak by and pocket the rest of the money that Obama is offering them. Meanwhile in Japan and Europe they have 80megbits per second speeds. Did you know that we are ranked at 19th in the world for internet speed? Here is a video on it: http://g4tv.com/attackoftheshow/theloop/68292/FCC-Broadband-Speed-Limit-Debate.html -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ __ Hotmail® is up to 70% faster. Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_faster:082009 -- Bringing diversity to perversity for 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
