RE: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says
Question, if I may. If Africa is the birthplace of mankind don't we all have the same roots? One love. . . To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:44:11 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says Could be a million reasons. Don't know them, so can't say. Some do it because they honestly feel such areas have better quality of life (schools, homes, parks, etc). Some do it because they feel deep down that white is better--even if they can't admit it to themselves. I have some black friends like that, who live in majority white, very conservative areas. Always complaining about racism and stuff, but never seem to be able to find the will to move. Makes me impatient... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38:02 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says They live in the mostly white section of Marin county. The area is now much more integrated but back then it was about 99% white. They were doing pretty well though. (business owners, private school for the girls etc.) Thinking back, the lies that they told probably kept them alive in that area. I'm not sure why they moved there though. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Really? Where are they located? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:29:50 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says I think that there is a lot of demons in the closet on this topic that should be exercised. @Keith, I have family members that are passing for Portuguese. I only saw them twice when I was a kid. I wonder have any of them came out of the racial closet or not. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Not at all a surprise. First, the Jewish thing was always noised about. I often joke to my wife, why didn't someone, during any of his mass rallies, look at him and say Hey, waitaminute? Didn't he say 'blonde hair and blue eyes? WTF?? Secondly, given the centuries of exploration, migration, and conquest, a lot more Europeans have African and Asian blood in them than would like to admit. They need to do the same DNA tests on J. Edgar Hoover (rumoured to have black ancestry) and Babe Ruth (often called disparaging names for a black man by some of his white opponents). I've always been fascinated by people who've denied, hidden, or simply didn't know about their heritage. For example, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright didn't discover until the last few years that she was Jewish. Her family evidently tried to hide that fact, no doubt to avoid a lot of problems in American society. I found her surprise surprising, as I'd always assumed she was, based on her looks. I've long been happy that i'm obviously black, and didn't grow up in a time, place, or family where trying to pretend to be something else was either an option, a desire, or even a necessity. There's a scene in one of the Easy Rollins books--it might be Devil in A Blue Dress--where Easy is staking out a hotel lobby. As he's sitting there, he notices a man sitting in a chair, well dressed, manicured nails, light olive skin. Idly curious, Easy stares at the man for a sec. They make eye contact, and the man literally starts looking agitated. Easy quickly realizes that the man in is fact at least part Black, and is obviously passing for something else--Italian or Greek, most likely. Easy looks away, silently assuring the brother that he's not going to blow his cover, cause right or wrong, the man feels he has to hide like that. Easy wasn't going to judge him or cause him pain. I've often had to fight a kind of knee jerk disgust at people of color who've passed for white, or who deny their African roots while embracing the European ones. I had a lot of trouble, honestly, with the Torres character on Voyager, for example, because she was ashamed of her Klingon heritage. But I've had to realize that some people have been raised in times and places where it's simply been too hard to be who they were. Maybe they were taking the easy route; maybe they were just trying to survive. I guess I shouldn't judge. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:59:32 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, 2010 7:39 AM PT Email Share Print
Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says
That depends on the pieces of DNA that you are looking at. For example, almost every animal, insect, and reptile on the planet have similar DNA. The last 2 percent or so make the difference between an elephant and your neighbor. An even smaller part determines your racial makeup and contains your genetic history. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Robert Baker duva...@hotmail.com wrote: Question, if I may. If Africa is the birthplace of mankind don't we all have the same roots? One love. . . -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:44:11 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says Could be a million reasons. Don't know them, so can't say. Some do it because they honestly feel such areas have better quality of life (schools, homes, parks, etc). Some do it because they feel deep down that white is better--even if they can't admit it to themselves. I have some black friends like that, who live in majority white, very conservative areas. Always complaining about racism and stuff, but never seem to be able to find the will to move. Makes me impatient... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38:02 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says They live in the mostly white section of Marin county. The area is now much more integrated but back then it was about 99% white. They were doing pretty well though. (business owners, private school for the girls etc.) Thinking back, the lies that they told probably kept them alive in that area. I'm not sure why they moved there though. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Really? Where are they located? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:29:50 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says I think that there is a lot of demons in the closet on this topic that should be exercised. @Keith, I have family members that are passing for Portuguese. I only saw them twice when I was a kid. I wonder have any of them came out of the racial closet or not. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Not at all a surprise. First, the Jewish thing was always noised about. I often joke to my wife, why didn't someone, during any of his mass rallies, look at him and say Hey, waitaminute? Didn't he say 'blonde hair and blue eyes? WTF?? Secondly, given the centuries of exploration, migration, and conquest, a lot more Europeans have African and Asian blood in them than would like to admit. They need to do the same DNA tests on J. Edgar Hoover (rumoured to have black ancestry) and Babe Ruth (often called disparaging names for a black man by some of his white opponents). I've always been fascinated by people who've denied, hidden, or simply didn't know about their heritage. For example, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright didn't discover until the last few years that she was Jewish. Her family evidently tried to hide that fact, no doubt to avoid a lot of problems in American society. I found her surprise surprising, as I'd always assumed she was, based on her looks. I've long been happy that i'm obviously black, and didn't grow up in a time, place, or family where trying to pretend to be something else was either an option, a desire, or even a necessity. There's a scene in one of the Easy Rollins books--it might be Devil in A Blue Dress--where Easy is staking out a hotel lobby. As he's sitting there, he notices a man sitting in a chair, well dressed, manicured nails, light olive skin. Idly curious, Easy stares at the man for a sec. They make eye contact, and the man literally starts looking agitated. Easy quickly realizes that the man in is fact at least part Black, and is obviously passing for something else--Italian or Greek, most likely. Easy looks away, silently assuring the brother that he's not going to blow his cover, cause right or wrong, the man feels he has to hide like that. Easy wasn't going to judge him or cause him pain. I've often had to fight a kind of knee jerk disgust at people of color who've passed for white, or who deny their African roots while embracing the European ones. I had a lot of trouble, honestly, with the Torres character on Voyager, for example, because she was ashamed of her Klingon heritage. But I've had to realize that some people have been raised in times and places where it's simply been too hard to be who they were. Maybe they were taking the easy route; maybe they were just trying to survive. I guess
RE: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says
So in essence, its just a matter of how far back you wish to go. Adaptations towards different environments can ultimately lead to the disparity and biases we humans indulge in today. Are this adaptations the result of that last 2 percent or vica-versa? Robert D. Baker To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 00:51:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says That depends on the pieces of DNA that you are looking at. For example, almost every animal, insect, and reptile on the planet have similar DNA. The last 2 percent or so make the difference between an elephant and your neighbor. An even smaller part determines your racial makeup and contains your genetic history. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Robert Baker duva...@hotmail.com wrote: Question, if I may. If Africa is the birthplace of mankind don't we all have the same roots? One love. . . To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:44:11 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says Could be a million reasons. Don't know them, so can't say. Some do it because they honestly feel such areas have better quality of life (schools, homes, parks, etc). Some do it because they feel deep down that white is better--even if they can't admit it to themselves. I have some black friends like that, who live in majority white, very conservative areas. Always complaining about racism and stuff, but never seem to be able to find the will to move. Makes me impatient... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38:02 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says They live in the mostly white section of Marin county. The area is now much more integrated but back then it was about 99% white. They were doing pretty well though. (business owners, private school for the girls etc.) Thinking back, the lies that they told probably kept them alive in that area. I'm not sure why they moved there though. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Really? Where are they located? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:29:50 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says I think that there is a lot of demons in the closet on this topic that should be exercised. @Keith, I have family members that are passing for Portuguese. I only saw them twice when I was a kid. I wonder have any of them came out of the racial closet or not. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Not at all a surprise. First, the Jewish thing was always noised about. I often joke to my wife, why didn't someone, during any of his mass rallies, look at him and say Hey, waitaminute? Didn't he say 'blonde hair and blue eyes? WTF?? Secondly, given the centuries of exploration, migration, and conquest, a lot more Europeans have African and Asian blood in them than would like to admit. They need to do the same DNA tests on J. Edgar Hoover (rumoured to have black ancestry) and Babe Ruth (often called disparaging names for a black man by some of his white opponents). I've always been fascinated by people who've denied, hidden, or simply didn't know about their heritage. For example, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright didn't discover until the last few years that she was Jewish. Her family evidently tried to hide that fact, no doubt to avoid a lot of problems in American society. I found her surprise surprising, as I'd always assumed she was, based on her looks. I've long been happy that i'm obviously black, and didn't grow up in a time, place, or family where trying to pretend to be something else was either an option, a desire, or even a necessity. There's a scene in one of the Easy Rollins books--it might be Devil in A Blue Dress--where Easy is staking out a hotel lobby. As he's sitting there, he notices a man sitting in a chair, well dressed, manicured nails, light olive skin. Idly curious, Easy stares at the man for a sec. They make eye contact, and the man literally starts looking agitated. Easy quickly realizes that the man in is fact at least part Black, and is obviously passing for something else--Italian or Greek, most likely. Easy looks away, silently assuring the brother that he's not going to blow his cover, cause right or wrong, the man feels he has to hide like that. Easy wasn't going to judge him or cause him pain. I've often had to fight a kind of knee jerk
Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says
Most of the differences started about 50,000 years ago in how we look as races. Once people began to move away from the African plains they began to change. Most of this still theory though. The last 2 percent of our DNA is jammed with a lot of info beyond looks but if you are allergic to chocolate, your height, nose, how to react to a weird sound, music, speech etc. Epigenomes come into play as well. On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Robert Baker duva...@hotmail.com wrote: So in essence, its just a matter of how far back you wish to go. Adaptations towards different environments can ultimately lead to the disparity and biases we humans indulge in today. Are this adaptations the result of that last 2 percent or vica-versa? Robert D. Baker -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 00:51:15 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says That depends on the pieces of DNA that you are looking at. For example, almost every animal, insect, and reptile on the planet have similar DNA. The last 2 percent or so make the difference between an elephant and your neighbor. An even smaller part determines your racial makeup and contains your genetic history. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Robert Baker duva...@hotmail.com wrote: Question, if I may. If Africa is the birthplace of mankind don't we all have the same roots? One love. . . -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 18:44:11 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says Could be a million reasons. Don't know them, so can't say. Some do it because they honestly feel such areas have better quality of life (schools, homes, parks, etc). Some do it because they feel deep down that white is better--even if they can't admit it to themselves. I have some black friends like that, who live in majority white, very conservative areas. Always complaining about racism and stuff, but never seem to be able to find the will to move. Makes me impatient... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38:02 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says They live in the mostly white section of Marin county. The area is now much more integrated but back then it was about 99% white. They were doing pretty well though. (business owners, private school for the girls etc.) Thinking back, the lies that they told probably kept them alive in that area. I'm not sure why they moved there though. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Really? Where are they located? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:29:50 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says I think that there is a lot of demons in the closet on this topic that should be exercised. @Keith, I have family members that are passing for Portuguese. I only saw them twice when I was a kid. I wonder have any of them came out of the racial closet or not. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Not at all a surprise. First, the Jewish thing was always noised about. I often joke to my wife, why didn't someone, during any of his mass rallies, look at him and say Hey, waitaminute? Didn't he say 'blonde hair and blue eyes? WTF?? Secondly, given the centuries of exploration, migration, and conquest, a lot more Europeans have African and Asian blood in them than would like to admit. They need to do the same DNA tests on J. Edgar Hoover (rumoured to have black ancestry) and Babe Ruth (often called disparaging names for a black man by some of his white opponents). I've always been fascinated by people who've denied, hidden, or simply didn't know about their heritage. For example, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright didn't discover until the last few years that she was Jewish. Her family evidently tried to hide that fact, no doubt to avoid a lot of problems in American society. I found her surprise surprising, as I'd always assumed she was, based on her looks. I've long been happy that i'm obviously black, and didn't grow up in a time, place, or family where trying to pretend to be something else was either an option, a desire, or even a necessity. There's a scene in one of the Easy Rollins books--it might be Devil in A Blue Dress--where Easy is staking out a hotel lobby. As he's sitting there, he notices a man sitting in a chair, well dressed
Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says
Could be a million reasons. Don't know them, so can't say. Some do it because they honestly feel such areas have better quality of life (schools, homes, parks, etc). Some do it because they feel deep down that white is better--even if they can't admit it to themselves. I have some black friends like that, who live in majority white, very conservative areas. Always complaining about racism and stuff, but never seem to be able to find the will to move. Makes me impatient... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38:02 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says They live in the mostly white section of Marin county. The area is now much more integrated but back then it was about 99% white. They were doing pretty well though. (business owners, private school for the girls etc.) Thinking back, the lies that they told probably kept them alive in that area. I'm not sure why they moved there though. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Really? Where are they located? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:29:50 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says I think that there is a lot of demons in the closet on this topic that should be exercised. @Keith, I have family members that are passing for Portuguese. I only saw them twice when I was a kid. I wonder have any of them came out of the racial closet or not. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Not at all a surprise. First, the Jewish thing was always noised about. I often joke to my wife, why didn't someone, during any of his mass rallies, look at him and say Hey, waitaminute? Didn't he say 'blonde hair and blue eyes? WTF?? Secondly, given the centuries of exploration, migration, and conquest, a lot more Europeans have African and Asian blood in them than would like to admit. They need to do the same DNA tests on J. Edgar Hoover (rumoured to have black ancestry) and Babe Ruth (often called disparaging names for a black man by some of his white opponents). I've always been fascinated by people who've denied, hidden, or simply didn't know about their heritage. For example, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright didn't discover until the last few years that she was Jewish. Her family evidently tried to hide that fact, no doubt to avoid a lot of problems in American society. I found her surprise surprising, as I'd always assumed she was, based on her looks. I've long been happy that i'm obviously black, and didn't grow up in a time, place, or family where trying to pretend to be something else was either an option, a desire, or even a necessity. There's a scene in one of the Easy Rollins books--it might be Devil in A Blue Dress--where Easy is staking out a hotel lobby. As he's sitting there, he notices a man sitting in a chair, well dressed, manicured nails, light olive skin. Idly curious, Easy stares at the man for a sec. They make eye contact, and the man literally starts looking agitated. Easy quickly realizes that the man in is fact at least part Black, and is obviously passing for something else--Italian or Greek, most likely. Easy looks away, silently assuring the brother that he's not going to blow his cover, cause right or wrong, the man feels he has to hide like that. Easy wasn't going to judge him or cause him pain. I've often had to fight a kind of knee jerk disgust at people of color who've passed for white, or who deny their African roots while embracing the European ones. I had a lot of trouble, honestly, with the Torres character on Voyager, for example, because she was ashamed of her Klingon heritage. But I've had to realize that some people have been raised in times and places where it's simply been too hard to be who they were. Maybe they were taking the easy route; maybe they were just trying to survive. I guess I shouldn't judge. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:59:32 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, 2010 7:39 AM PT • • Email • Share • Print Hitler Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says DNA shows Adolf Hitler likely to have had Jewish or African roots, reports Daily Mail. Photographer: Keystone/Getty Images Adolf Hitler may have been descended from both Jews and Africans, DNA tests are indicating
Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says
I asked my sister for a little more info. Apparently, they own a horse ranch and appear in local parades with their horses as Hispanic riders. From what I understand, their great grandmother was white, so I guess they are claiming that side of the family. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Could be a million reasons. Don't know them, so can't say. Some do it because they honestly feel such areas have better quality of life (schools, homes, parks, etc). Some do it because they feel deep down that white is better--even if they can't admit it to themselves. I have some black friends like that, who live in majority white, very conservative areas. Always complaining about racism and stuff, but never seem to be able to find the will to move. Makes me impatient... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38:02 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says They live in the mostly white section of Marin county. The area is now much more integrated but back then it was about 99% white. They were doing pretty well though. (business owners, private school for the girls etc.) Thinking back, the lies that they told probably kept them alive in that area. I'm not sure why they moved there though. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Really? Where are they located? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:29:50 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says I think that there is a lot of demons in the closet on this topic that should be exercised. @Keith, I have family members that are passing for Portuguese. I only saw them twice when I was a kid. I wonder have any of them came out of the racial closet or not. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Not at all a surprise. First, the Jewish thing was always noised about. I often joke to my wife, why didn't someone, during any of his mass rallies, look at him and say Hey, waitaminute? Didn't he say 'blonde hair and blue eyes? WTF?? Secondly, given the centuries of exploration, migration, and conquest, a lot more Europeans have African and Asian blood in them than would like to admit. They need to do the same DNA tests on J. Edgar Hoover (rumoured to have black ancestry) and Babe Ruth (often called disparaging names for a black man by some of his white opponents). I've always been fascinated by people who've denied, hidden, or simply didn't know about their heritage. For example, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright didn't discover until the last few years that she was Jewish. Her family evidently tried to hide that fact, no doubt to avoid a lot of problems in American society. I found her surprise surprising, as I'd always assumed she was, based on her looks. I've long been happy that i'm obviously black, and didn't grow up in a time, place, or family where trying to pretend to be something else was either an option, a desire, or even a necessity. There's a scene in one of the Easy Rollins books--it might be Devil in A Blue Dress--where Easy is staking out a hotel lobby. As he's sitting there, he notices a man sitting in a chair, well dressed, manicured nails, light olive skin. Idly curious, Easy stares at the man for a sec. They make eye contact, and the man literally starts looking agitated. Easy quickly realizes that the man in is fact at least part Black, and is obviously passing for something else--Italian or Greek, most likely. Easy looks away, silently assuring the brother that he's not going to blow his cover, cause right or wrong, the man feels he has to hide like that. Easy wasn't going to judge him or cause him pain. I've often had to fight a kind of knee jerk disgust at people of color who've passed for white, or who deny their African roots while embracing the European ones. I had a lot of trouble, honestly, with the Torres character on Voyager, for example, because she was ashamed of her Klingon heritage. But I've had to realize that some people have been raised in times and places where it's simply been too hard to be who they were. Maybe they were taking the easy route; maybe they were just trying to survive. I guess I shouldn't judge. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:59:32 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, 2010 7:39 AM PT
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Really sad, but not uncommon, unfortunately. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 8:42:19 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says I asked my sister for a little more info. Apparently, they own a horse ranch and appear in local parades with their horses as Hispanic riders. From what I understand, their great grandmother was white, so I guess they are claiming that side of the family. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Could be a million reasons. Don't know them, so can't say. Some do it because they honestly feel such areas have better quality of life (schools, homes, parks, etc). Some do it because they feel deep down that white is better--even if they can't admit it to themselves. I have some black friends like that, who live in majority white, very conservative areas. Always complaining about racism and stuff, but never seem to be able to find the will to move. Makes me impatient... - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 1:38:02 AM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says They live in the mostly white section of Marin county. The area is now much more integrated but back then it was about 99% white. They were doing pretty well though. (business owners, private school for the girls etc.) Thinking back, the lies that they told probably kept them alive in that area. I'm not sure why they moved there though. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Really? Where are they located? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:29:50 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says I think that there is a lot of demons in the closet on this topic that should be exercised. @Keith, I have family members that are passing for Portuguese. I only saw them twice when I was a kid. I wonder have any of them came out of the racial closet or not. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Not at all a surprise. First, the Jewish thing was always noised about. I often joke to my wife, why didn't someone, during any of his mass rallies, look at him and say Hey, waitaminute? Didn't he say 'blonde hair and blue eyes? WTF?? Secondly, given the centuries of exploration, migration, and conquest, a lot more Europeans have African and Asian blood in them than would like to admit. They need to do the same DNA tests on J. Edgar Hoover (rumoured to have black ancestry) and Babe Ruth (often called disparaging names for a black man by some of his white opponents). I've always been fascinated by people who've denied, hidden, or simply didn't know about their heritage. For example, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright didn't discover until the last few years that she was Jewish. Her family evidently tried to hide that fact, no doubt to avoid a lot of problems in American society. I found her surprise surprising, as I'd always assumed she was, based on her looks. I've long been happy that i'm obviously black, and didn't grow up in a time, place, or family where trying to pretend to be something else was either an option, a desire, or even a necessity. There's a scene in one of the Easy Rollins books--it might be Devil in A Blue Dress--where Easy is staking out a hotel lobby. As he's sitting there, he notices a man sitting in a chair, well dressed, manicured nails, light olive skin. Idly curious, Easy stares at the man for a sec. They make eye contact, and the man literally starts looking agitated. Easy quickly realizes that the man in is fact at least part Black, and is obviously passing for something else--Italian or Greek, most likely. Easy looks away, silently assuring the brother that he's not going to blow his cover, cause right or wrong, the man feels he has to hide like that. Easy wasn't going to judge him or cause him pain. I've often had to fight a kind of knee jerk disgust at people of color who've passed for white, or who deny their African roots while embracing the European ones. I had a lot of trouble, honestly, with the Torres character on Voyager, for example, because she was ashamed of her Klingon heritage. But I've had to realize that some people have been raised in times and places where it's simply been too hard to be who they were. Maybe they were taking the easy route; maybe they were just trying to survive. I guess I shouldn't judge. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf
[scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says
Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, 2010 7:39 AM PT - - Email?body=Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2F2010-08-24%2Fhitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.htmlsubject=Bloomberg%20news%3A%20Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says - Share http://www.bloomberg.com/share - Printhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2010-08-24/hitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.html [image: Hitler Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says] DNA shows Adolf Hitler likely to have had Jewish or African roots, reports Daily Mail. Photographer: Keystone/Getty Images Adolf Hitler may have been descended from both Jews and Africans, DNA tests are indicating, the Daily Mail reported. Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to trace 39 of the Nazi leader’s relatives earlier this year, the Daily Mail said. The relatives included an Austrian farmer, indentified only as a cousin named Norbert H, the Daily Mail reported. A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b, or Y-DNA, in the relatives’ saliva samples is rare in Germany, as well as Western Europe, the newspaper said. It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, Vermeeren said. Mulders told Belgian magazine Knack that [o]ne can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised, the Daily Mail reported. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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THANK YOU! This will be the gift that keeps giving for some time, because I know this virulently racist bastich who'll be seeing this as soon as I confirm that he still has the last e-mail addy I have on him. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, 2010 7:39 AM PT - - Email?body=Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2F2010-08-24%2Fhitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.htmlsubject=Bloomberg%20news%3A%20Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says - Share http://www.bloomberg.com/share - Printhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2010-08-24/hitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.html [image: Hitler Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says] DNA shows Adolf Hitler likely to have had Jewish or African roots, reports Daily Mail. Photographer: Keystone/Getty Images Adolf Hitler may have been descended from both Jews and Africans, DNA tests are indicating, the Daily Mail reported. Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to trace 39 of the Nazi leader’s relatives earlier this year, the Daily Mail said. The relatives included an Austrian farmer, indentified only as a cousin named Norbert H, the Daily Mail reported. A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b, or Y-DNA, in the relatives’ saliva samples is rare in Germany, as well as Western Europe, the newspaper said. It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, Vermeeren said. Mulders told Belgian magazine Knack that [o]ne can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised, the Daily Mail reported. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
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You have to love god's irony sometimes. :) On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:00 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: THANK YOU! This will be the gift that keeps giving for some time, because I know this virulently racist bastich who'll be seeing this as soon as I confirm that he still has the last e-mail addy I have on him. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, 2010 7:39 AM PT - - Email?body=Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2F2010-08-24%2Fhitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.htmlsubject=Bloomberg%20news%3A%20Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says - Share http://www.bloomberg.com/share - Printhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2010-08-24/hitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.html [image: Hitler Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says] DNA shows Adolf Hitler likely to have had Jewish or African roots, reports Daily Mail. Photographer: Keystone/Getty Images Adolf Hitler may have been descended from both Jews and Africans, DNA tests are indicating, the Daily Mail reported. Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to trace 39 of the Nazi leader’s relatives earlier this year, the Daily Mail said. The relatives included an Austrian farmer, indentified only as a cousin named Norbert H, the Daily Mail reported. A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b, or Y-DNA, in the relatives’ saliva samples is rare in Germany, as well as Western Europe, the newspaper said. It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, Vermeeren said. Mulders told Belgian magazine Knack that [o]ne can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised, the Daily Mail reported. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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Being the cynical person I am, I wouldn't. Be surprised if he was aware of his mixed heritage. Two words: self hate. Gerald On Wed Aug 25th, 2010 7:22 AM EDT Mr. Worf wrote: You have to love god's irony sometimes. :) On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 3:00 AM, Martin Baxter martinbaxt...@gmail.comwrote: THANK YOU! This will be the gift that keeps giving for some time, because I know this virulently racist bastich who'll be seeing this as soon as I confirm that he still has the last e-mail addy I have on him. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 2:59 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, 2010 7:39 AM PT - - Email?body=Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2F2010-08-24%2Fhitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.htmlsubject=Bloomberg%20news%3A%20Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says - Share http://www.bloomberg.com/share - Printhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2010-08-24/hitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.html [image: Hitler Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says] DNA shows Adolf Hitler likely to have had Jewish or African roots, reports Daily Mail. Photographer: Keystone/Getty Images Adolf Hitler may have been descended from both Jews and Africans, DNA tests are indicating, the Daily Mail reported. Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to trace 39 of the Nazi leader’s relatives earlier this year, the Daily Mail said. The relatives included an Austrian farmer, indentified only as a cousin named Norbert H, the Daily Mail reported. A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b, or Y-DNA, in the relatives’ saliva samples is rare in Germany, as well as Western Europe, the newspaper said. It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, Vermeeren said. Mulders told Belgian magazine Knack that [o]ne can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised, the Daily Mail reported. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script? -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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I think that there is a lot of demons in the closet on this topic that should be exercised. @Keith, I have family members that are passing for Portuguese. I only saw them twice when I was a kid. I wonder have any of them came out of the racial closet or not. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Not at all a surprise. First, the Jewish thing was always noised about. I often joke to my wife, why didn't someone, during any of his mass rallies, look at him and say Hey, waitaminute? Didn't he say 'blonde hair and blue eyes? WTF?? Secondly, given the centuries of exploration, migration, and conquest, a lot more Europeans have African and Asian blood in them than would like to admit. They need to do the same DNA tests on J. Edgar Hoover (rumoured to have black ancestry) and Babe Ruth (often called disparaging names for a black man by some of his white opponents). I've always been fascinated by people who've denied, hidden, or simply didn't know about their heritage. For example, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright didn't discover until the last few years that she was Jewish. Her family evidently tried to hide that fact, no doubt to avoid a lot of problems in American society. I found her surprise surprising, as I'd always assumed she was, based on her looks. I've long been happy that i'm obviously black, and didn't grow up in a time, place, or family where trying to pretend to be something else was either an option, a desire, or even a necessity. There's a scene in one of the Easy Rollins books--it might be Devil in A Blue Dress--where Easy is staking out a hotel lobby. As he's sitting there, he notices a man sitting in a chair, well dressed, manicured nails, light olive skin. Idly curious, Easy stares at the man for a sec. They make eye contact, and the man literally starts looking agitated. Easy quickly realizes that the man in is fact at least part Black, and is obviously passing for something else--Italian or Greek, most likely. Easy looks away, silently assuring the brother that he's not going to blow his cover, cause right or wrong, the man feels he has to hide like that. Easy wasn't going to judge him or cause him pain. I've often had to fight a kind of knee jerk disgust at people of color who've passed for white, or who deny their African roots while embracing the European ones. I had a lot of trouble, honestly, with the Torres character on Voyager, for example, because she was ashamed of her Klingon heritage. But I've had to realize that some people have been raised in times and places where it's simply been too hard to be who they were. Maybe they were taking the easy route; maybe they were just trying to survive. I guess I shouldn't judge. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:59:32 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, 2010 7:39 AM PT - - Email?body=Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2F2010-08-24%2Fhitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.htmlsubject=Bloomberg%20news%3A%20Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says - Share http://www.bloomberg.com/share - Printhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2010-08-24/hitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.html [image: Hitler Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says] DNA shows Adolf Hitler likely to have had Jewish or African roots, reports Daily Mail. Photographer: Keystone/Getty Images Adolf Hitler may have been descended from both Jews and Africans, DNA tests are indicating, the Daily Mail reported. Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to trace 39 of the Nazi leader’s relatives earlier this year, the Daily Mail said. The relatives included an Austrian farmer, indentified only as a cousin named Norbert H, the Daily Mail reported. A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b, or Y-DNA, in the relatives’ saliva samples is rare in Germany, as well as Western Europe, the newspaper said. It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, Vermeeren said. Mulders told Belgian magazine Knack that [o]ne can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised, the Daily Mail reported. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany
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Oh wait, one of the most evil men in recorded history, so of course he couldn't be a real Aryan. So, they try to push him off on us? This is insult to injury. And probably just a plan to say that Obama and Rahm Emanuel are actually descendants of Hitler. I really wouldn't put this past them. --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 1:29 PM I think that there is a lot of demons in the closet on this topic that should be exercised. @Keith, I have family members that are passing for Portuguese. I only saw them twice when I was a kid. I wonder have any of them came out of the racial closet or not. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Not at all a surprise. First, the Jewish thing was always noised about. I often joke to my wife, why didn't someone, during any of his mass rallies, look at him and say Hey, waitaminute? Didn't he say 'blonde hair and blue eyes? WTF?? Secondly, given the centuries of exploration, migration, and conquest, a lot more Europeans have African and Asian blood in them than would like to admit. They need to do the same DNA tests on J. Edgar Hoover (rumoured to have black ancestry) and Babe Ruth (often called disparaging names for a black man by some of his white opponents). I've always been fascinated by people who've denied, hidden, or simply didn't know about their heritage. For example, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright didn't discover until the last few years that she was Jewish. Her family evidently tried to hide that fact, no doubt to avoid a lot of problems in American society. I found her surprise surprising, as I'd always assumed she was, based on her looks. I've long been happy that i'm obviously black, and didn't grow up in a time, place, or family where trying to pretend to be something else was either an option, a desire, or even a necessity. There's a scene in one of the Easy Rollins books--it might be Devil in A Blue Dress--where Easy is staking out a hotel lobby. As he's sitting there, he notices a man sitting in a chair, well dressed, manicured nails, light olive skin. Idly curious, Easy stares at the man for a sec. They make eye contact, and the man literally starts looking agitated. Easy quickly realizes that the man in is fact at least part Black, and is obviously passing for something else--Italian or Greek, most likely. Easy looks away, silently assuring the brother that he's not going to blow his cover, cause right or wrong, the man feels he has to hide like that. Easy wasn't going to judge him or cause him pain. I've often had to fight a kind of knee jerk disgust at people of color who've passed for white, or who deny their African roots while embracing the European ones. I had a lot of trouble, honestly, with the Torres character on Voyager, for example, because she was ashamed of her Klingon heritage. But I've had to realize that some people have been raised in times and places where it's simply been too hard to be who they were. Maybe they were taking the easy route; maybe they were just trying to survive. I guess I shouldn't judge. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:59:32 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, 2010 7:39 AM PT Email Share Print DNA shows Adolf Hitler likely to have had Jewish or African roots, reports Daily Mail. Photographer: Keystone/Getty Images Adolf Hitler may have been descended from both Jews and Africans, DNA tests are indicating, the Daily Mail reported. Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to trace 39 of the Nazi leader’s relatives earlier this year, the Daily Mail said. The relatives included an Austrian farmer, indentified only as a cousin named Norbert H, the Daily Mail reported. A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b, or Y-DNA, in the relatives’ saliva samples is rare in Germany, as well as Western Europe, the newspaper said. It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, Vermeeren said. Mulders told Belgian magazine Knack that [o]ne can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised, the Daily Mail reported. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness
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Really? Where are they located? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:29:50 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says I think that there is a lot of demons in the closet on this topic that should be exercised. @Keith, I have family members that are passing for Portuguese. I only saw them twice when I was a kid. I wonder have any of them came out of the racial closet or not. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Not at all a surprise. First, the Jewish thing was always noised about. I often joke to my wife, why didn't someone, during any of his mass rallies, look at him and say Hey, waitaminute? Didn't he say 'blonde hair and blue eyes? WTF?? Secondly, given the centuries of exploration, migration, and conquest, a lot more Europeans have African and Asian blood in them than would like to admit. They need to do the same DNA tests on J. Edgar Hoover (rumoured to have black ancestry) and Babe Ruth (often called disparaging names for a black man by some of his white opponents). I've always been fascinated by people who've denied, hidden, or simply didn't know about their heritage. For example, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright didn't discover until the last few years that she was Jewish. Her family evidently tried to hide that fact, no doubt to avoid a lot of problems in American society. I found her surprise surprising, as I'd always assumed she was, based on her looks. I've long been happy that i'm obviously black, and didn't grow up in a time, place, or family where trying to pretend to be something else was either an option, a desire, or even a necessity. There's a scene in one of the Easy Rollins books--it might be Devil in A Blue Dress--where Easy is staking out a hotel lobby. As he's sitting there, he notices a man sitting in a chair, well dressed, manicured nails, light olive skin. Idly curious, Easy stares at the man for a sec. They make eye contact, and the man literally starts looking agitated. Easy quickly realizes that the man in is fact at least part Black, and is obviously passing for something else--Italian or Greek, most likely. Easy looks away, silently assuring the brother that he's not going to blow his cover, cause right or wrong, the man feels he has to hide like that. Easy wasn't going to judge him or cause him pain. I've often had to fight a kind of knee jerk disgust at people of color who've passed for white, or who deny their African roots while embracing the European ones. I had a lot of trouble, honestly, with the Torres character on Voyager, for example, because she was ashamed of her Klingon heritage. But I've had to realize that some people have been raised in times and places where it's simply been too hard to be who they were. Maybe they were taking the easy route; maybe they were just trying to survive. I guess I shouldn't judge. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:59:32 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, 2010 7:39 AM PT • • Email • Share • Print Hitler Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says DNA shows Adolf Hitler likely to have had Jewish or African roots, reports Daily Mail. Photographer: Keystone/Getty Images Adolf Hitler may have been descended from both Jews and Africans, DNA tests are indicating, the Daily Mail reported. Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to trace 39 of the Nazi leader’s relatives earlier this year, the Daily Mail said. The relatives included an Austrian farmer, indentified only as a cousin named Norbert H, the Daily Mail reported. A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b, or Y-DNA, in the relatives’ saliva samples is rare in Germany, as well as Western Europe, the newspaper said. It is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, in Algeria, Libya and Tunisia as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews, Vermeeren said. Mulders told Belgian magazine Knack that [o]ne can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised, the Daily Mail reported. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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They live in the mostly white section of Marin county. The area is now much more integrated but back then it was about 99% white. They were doing pretty well though. (business owners, private school for the girls etc.) Thinking back, the lies that they told probably kept them alive in that area. I'm not sure why they moved there though. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Really? Where are they located? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 4:29:50 PM Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says I think that there is a lot of demons in the closet on this topic that should be exercised. @Keith, I have family members that are passing for Portuguese. I only saw them twice when I was a kid. I wonder have any of them came out of the racial closet or not. On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.netwrote: Not at all a surprise. First, the Jewish thing was always noised about. I often joke to my wife, why didn't someone, during any of his mass rallies, look at him and say Hey, waitaminute? Didn't he say 'blonde hair and blue eyes? WTF?? Secondly, given the centuries of exploration, migration, and conquest, a lot more Europeans have African and Asian blood in them than would like to admit. They need to do the same DNA tests on J. Edgar Hoover (rumoured to have black ancestry) and Babe Ruth (often called disparaging names for a black man by some of his white opponents). I've always been fascinated by people who've denied, hidden, or simply didn't know about their heritage. For example, former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright didn't discover until the last few years that she was Jewish. Her family evidently tried to hide that fact, no doubt to avoid a lot of problems in American society. I found her surprise surprising, as I'd always assumed she was, based on her looks. I've long been happy that i'm obviously black, and didn't grow up in a time, place, or family where trying to pretend to be something else was either an option, a desire, or even a necessity. There's a scene in one of the Easy Rollins books--it might be Devil in A Blue Dress--where Easy is staking out a hotel lobby. As he's sitting there, he notices a man sitting in a chair, well dressed, manicured nails, light olive skin. Idly curious, Easy stares at the man for a sec. They make eye contact, and the man literally starts looking agitated. Easy quickly realizes that the man in is fact at least part Black, and is obviously passing for something else--Italian or Greek, most likely. Easy looks away, silently assuring the brother that he's not going to blow his cover, cause right or wrong, the man feels he has to hide like that. Easy wasn't going to judge him or cause him pain. I've often had to fight a kind of knee jerk disgust at people of color who've passed for white, or who deny their African roots while embracing the European ones. I had a lot of trouble, honestly, with the Torres character on Voyager, for example, because she was ashamed of her Klingon heritage. But I've had to realize that some people have been raised in times and places where it's simply been too hard to be who they were. Maybe they were taking the easy route; maybe they were just trying to survive. I guess I shouldn't judge. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 2:59:32 AM Subject: [scifinoir2] WTF??? Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says Hitler DNA Tests Show He Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says By Steven Fromm - Aug 24, 2010 7:39 AM PT - - Email?body=Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says%0A%0Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.bloomberg.com%2Fnews%2F2010-08-24%2Fhitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.htmlsubject=Bloomberg%20news%3A%20Hitler%20DNA%20Tests%20Show%20He%20Likely%20Had%20Jewish%2C%20African%20Roots%2C%20Daily%20Mail%20Says - Share http://www.bloomberg.com/share - Printhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/2010-08-24/hitler-dna-tests-show-he-likely-had-jewish-african-roots-daily-mail-says.html [image: Hitler Likely Had Jewish, African Roots, Daily Mail Says] DNA shows Adolf Hitler likely to have had Jewish or African roots, reports Daily Mail. Photographer: Keystone/Getty Images Adolf Hitler may have been descended from both Jews and Africans, DNA tests are indicating, the Daily Mail reported. Journalist Jean-Paul Mulders and historian Marc Vermeeren used DNA to trace 39 of the Nazi leader’s relatives earlier this year, the Daily Mail said. The relatives included an Austrian farmer, indentified only
