RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
You make a good, compelling reason for Edwards as Attorney General and maybe even on the High Court someday. I have to readjust my thinking, wanting him as a more convential politician or leader, I guess. But you're really making the point--perhaps *more* important--that it's a lot of the more behind-the-scenes, sometimes less flashy jobs, that are often at least as important as high profile ones like Prez, guvnor, etc. As for Richardson, speaking of flashy, I hear a lot of people say he's not scintillating enough to be Sec of State or anything. I thnk a lot of folks feel he's too weak or boring for the job. Kucinich is so focused on the rights of people, dealing with poverty, education, fair housing and hiring, etc., that I sometimes wonder if he'd be a good secreatary for a cabinet post that handles that. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see Biden or Richardson as secretary of state. As much as many of us like Kucinich, he is not a player and in my opinion, therefore he will not be a part of the equation I agree about Edwards, but to truly clean up the department of Justice and restore the constitution, it will require a high profile AG. Additionally, it set him up for the supreme court. However, your point is well taken. Where do you see him Health and Human Services? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:48 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket i almost feel Edwards would be wasted as Attorney General. Not that he wouldn't do good--he would. And Lord knows, given the abuses from that office the last seven years, we need a good person in that role. But i guess I like Edwards' presence, his affability, his ease with people, I'd rather see him in a role where he'd be in front of the public eye and shaping policy more often, instead of enforcing the law. Do you see a role for Joe Biden? Maybe he could be Secretary of State? What about Kucinich? Education? Housing and Urban Development? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bosco I know you asked Keith who his VP pick was, but here is my list. I love this puzzle Webb- Former Secretary of the Navy; former republican, could help deliver VA, has a good relationship with Obama - they co-sponsored a Vet bill together, produced Vet documentaries for PBS, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple; Con: I hear during his Reagan years he said some things about affirmative action than anger blacks; some say he is too direct and gets foot in the mouth disease Bloomberg - Independents and Moderate republicans like him. Democrats like him. He's been a dem and a republican, he's a good manager. Would change the dem/ Republican dynamic. Cons: No international Experience. From a blue state The four Hilary consolation picks would be: Wesley Clark, Evan Baye, Strickland and Rendell. I think Baye might be the strongest. He is a former governor, has international experience, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple - including deliver Indiana. The appease the women VP pick would be: Sibelius, McCaskil, or the governor of AZ. I do not think the Hillary supporters who are angry will accept a substitute angry and I wonder about two change candidates on the ticket. Also I do not think any of them have international experience I think Sibelius would be best. I think the AZ governor has young children and many Americans have issues with the idea of a woman with young children as president. They think she would neglect the kids. However I like McCaskil, but that would be two new Senators on the ticket. I like Edwards, but he did not deliver NC in 2004 and he does not want it. He wants Attorney General and I think he would be great for it I like Richardson, but he is clumsy of the campaign trail for himself and two change brown candidates at one time might be too much for this racist country to handle. I say give him Secretary of state -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket hey Keith Who would you like to see on the ticket? I am undecided. There are things I absolutely love about HRC and things that make me bum out as much as any poltician has ever made me bum out. I'm curious to know who the other folks under consideration are in the Obama camp. B --- On Sun, 5/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get
Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
(standing ovation) Daryle Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, how I love this part of the argument. I've turned it into a game. You say Rev. Wright and I say it was an aspirin factory. You say Palestinians and I say Rwanda. I love how Clinton people come off like Obama = a complete disaster. A complete disaster = John Kerry, and just 4 years ago everyone was in love with him. The rest of the world is belly laughing at americans at this point. Claiming to be this beacon of democracy but can't see a way to let two people who are leading in votes take a two seat job. The democratic party is behaving like anything but. And Black folks on this 'anti-Obama' kick are the MOST hilarious. Disagree with the dude on the issues, that's your right, but he's teflon right now ( at least until Karl Rove REALLY gets hold of him). Don't hate, congratulate. Help a dude graduate. There are all of NO candidates worth actually supporting, and Democrats are straight up arguing over the best funded scraps. Choosing between Pepsi and Coke is not democracy. Coke using their 'over 35 years of experience' and millions of marketing and research dollars to beat up on Pepsi just because more people are feeling Pepsi right now is not democracy. This is some I can be a better king than you ish, and it's BEYOND ridiculous at this point. This whole Democrat situation is EXACTLY why Americans need to follow true soccer. They'd understand how to operate. As a Chelsea Football Club supporter, allow me to show Hillary Clinton people how this is done -- The season is not over, but begin accepting the truth now -- you have LOST. Manchester United (in this case Barack Obama) has outscored you all season long, and it doesn't matter how much money you spent on the best talent, it doesn't matter that you've won the games that really mattered, the fact is that you are number 2 on the table. nothing will change that. The math simply does not work in your favor. So let it go. Sing your song, raise your scarf, but let it go until August. Why would Clinton want to be President of a country that she had to convince so hard ANYway? She was first lady during one of the most popular president's terms. If THAT ALONE doesn't get you in without argument, save your ad budget and start a bank. A TV Network. Go be mayor of New York City. Go buy Connecticut. When Saturday Night Live skits about you aren't funny because they are TRUE? Being President is not for you. On May 19, 2008, at 7:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/19/2008 6:24:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Amen to that! And she will have no problem blowing up innocent people with her testicular fortitude As opposed to a man that cannot find his when it comes to issues of his former mentor, other black leaders and the Palestinians? **Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod000301) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] There is no reason Good can't triumph over Evil, if only angels will get organized along the lines of the Mafia. -Kurt Vonnegut, A Man Without A Country [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
I always appreciate your point of view Tracey. You're one of the most fair and open-minded people I have come across on the interwebamajig. I really have no idea about potential candidates. I know next to nothing. I'm really interested in the POV of anyone else on the list as well. As for Gymfig's anti-Obama issues, you're in the same boat I was in for both Clinton runs. I ended up voting for him because he was the best of the two options. He turned out to be surprisingly better than I thought he would though there were enough things that bothered me that I never could fully get on the train. I like Hillary. I think she gets a damned if she does/ damned is she doesn't choice more often than any of the men she's run against. She's hungry for the office and to my mind, that's a good thing. That said, I went with Obama in my primary. I think it's pretty clear that what ever his flaws, between him and McCain he's the best option. Bosco --- On Mon, 5/19/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 19, 2008, 6:22 PM Bosco I know you asked Keith who his VP pick was, but here is my list. I love this puzzle Webb- Former Secretary of the Navy; former republican, could help deliver VA, has a good relationship with Obama - they co-sponsored a Vet bill together, produced Vet documentaries for PBS, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple; Con: I hear during his Reagan years he said some things about affirmative action than anger blacks; some say he is too direct and gets foot in the mouth disease Bloomberg - Independents and Moderate republicans like him. Democrats like him. He's been a dem and a republican, he's a good manager. Would change the dem/ Republican dynamic. Cons: No international Experience. From a blue state The four Hilary consolation picks would be: Wesley Clark, Evan Baye, Strickland and Rendell. I think Baye might be the strongest. He is a former governor, has international experience, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple - including deliver Indiana. The appease the women VP pick would be: Sibelius, McCaskil, or the governor of AZ. I do not think the Hillary supporters who are angry will accept a substitute angry and I wonder about two change candidates on the ticket. Also I do not think any of them have international experience I think Sibelius would be best. I think the AZ governor has young children and many Americans have issues with the idea of a woman with young children as president. They think she would neglect the kids. However I like McCaskil, but that would be two new Senators on the ticket. I like Edwards, but he did not deliver NC in 2004 and he does not want it. He wants Attorney General and I think he would be great for it I like Richardson, but he is clumsy of the campaign trail for himself and two change brown candidates at one time might be too much for this racist country to handle. I say give him Secretary of state
RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
Bosco: Thanks for the explanation and the wonderful complement. I was just kidding. I like playing Veep-stakes and even though you asked Keith, I decided to give my view. If you like Clinton, I'm not sure I understand why you voted for Obama. -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 7:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket I always appreciate your point of view Tracey. You're one of the most fair and open-minded people I have come across on the interwebamajig. I really have no idea about potential candidates. I know next to nothing. I'm really interested in the POV of anyone else on the list as well. As for Gymfig's anti-Obama issues, you're in the same boat I was in for both Clinton runs. I ended up voting for him because he was the best of the two options. He turned out to be surprisingly better than I thought he would though there were enough things that bothered me that I never could fully get on the train. I like Hillary. I think she gets a damned if she does/ damned is she doesn't choice more often than any of the men she's run against. She's hungry for the office and to my mind, that's a good thing. That said, I went with Obama in my primary. I think it's pretty clear that what ever his flaws, between him and McCain he's the best option. Bosco --- On Mon, 5/19/08, Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, May 19, 2008, 6:22 PM Bosco I know you asked Keith who his VP pick was, but here is my list. I love this puzzle Webb- Former Secretary of the Navy; former republican, could help deliver VA, has a good relationship with Obama - they co-sponsored a Vet bill together, produced Vet documentaries for PBS, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple; Con: I hear during his Reagan years he said some things about affirmative action than anger blacks; some say he is too direct and gets foot in the mouth disease Bloomberg - Independents and Moderate republicans like him. Democrats like him. He's been a dem and a republican, he's a good manager. Would change the dem/ Republican dynamic. Cons: No international Experience. From a blue state The four Hilary consolation picks would be: Wesley Clark, Evan Baye, Strickland and Rendell. I think Baye might be the strongest. He is a former governor, has international experience, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple - including deliver Indiana. The appease the women VP pick would be: Sibelius, McCaskil, or the governor of AZ. I do not think the Hillary supporters who are angry will accept a substitute angry and I wonder about two change candidates on the ticket. Also I do not think any of them have international experience I think Sibelius would be best. I think the AZ governor has young children and many Americans have issues with the idea of a woman with young children as president. They think she would neglect the kids. However I like McCaskil, but that would be two new Senators on the ticket. I like Edwards, but he did not deliver NC in 2004 and he does not want it. He wants Attorney General and I think he would be great for it I like Richardson, but he is clumsy of the campaign trail for himself and two change brown candidates at one time might be too much for this racist country to handle. I say give him Secretary of state Yahoo! Groups Links
RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
thanks, I really need to think more about this. i was always hoping, since last year, it'd be Obama/Edwards. But with Edwards off the table, I have to stop thinking about someone I *like* and start thinking in terms of all the manueverings and practicalities of the VP candidate. Jim Webb is one, but as some said, it might not be good to lose his voice in the Senate. -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bosco I know you asked Keith who his VP pick was, but here is my list. I love this puzzle Webb- Former Secretary of the Navy; former republican, could help deliver VA, has a good relationship with Obama - they co-sponsored a Vet bill together, produced Vet documentaries for PBS, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple; Con: I hear during his Reagan years he said some things about affirmative action than anger blacks; some say he is too direct and gets foot in the mouth disease Bloomberg - Independents and Moderate republicans like him. Democrats like him. He's been a dem and a republican, he's a good manager. Would change the dem/ Republican dynamic. Cons: No international Experience. From a blue state The four Hilary consolation picks would be: Wesley Clark, Evan Baye, Strickland and Rendell. I think Baye might be the strongest. He is a former governor, has international experience, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple - including deliver Indiana. The appease the women VP pick would be: Sibelius, McCaskil, or the governor of AZ. I do not think the Hillary supporters who are angry will accept a substitute angry and I wonder about two change candidates on the ticket. Also I do not think any of them have international experience I think Sibelius would be best. I think the AZ governor has young children and many Americans have issues with the idea of a woman with young children as president. They think she would neglect the kids. However I like McCaskil, but that would be two new Senators on the ticket. I like Edwards, but he did not deliver NC in 2004 and he does not want it. He wants Attorney General and I think he would be great for it I like Richardson, but he is clumsy of the campaign trail for himself and two change brown candidates at one time might be too much for this racist country to handle. I say give him Secretary of state -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket hey Keith Who would you like to see on the ticket? I am undecided. There are things I absolutely love about HRC and things that make me bum out as much as any poltician has ever made me bum out. I'm curious to know who the other folks under consideration are in the Obama camp. B --- On Sun, 5/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 10:03 AM For me, the two biggest reasons I've said for a year now that she shouldn't be on the ticket are her husband, and her own ambition. As listed below, Bill can't keep his thoughts to himself. I can't even imagine what it'd be like to have him: angry at Hillary being only the veep, disparaging of Obama's lack of experience, full of himself and the advice he'd have to give as a two-term Prez, ticked when Obama would (inevitably) not seek out, and actively ignore, said advice, and frankly, jealous of the spotlight Obama would have. The second reason? Hillary's ambition. This lady wants to be Prez, and everything from her veiled racist strategy (I get hard-working, white voters) to the other dirty tricks show she'd work behind the scenes to undermine Obama. I think-and I believe Obama thinks--that she'd be plotting against him all the time she's grinning in his face. She's in her 60's now, think she wants to wait *eight* years and try again? No way in hell. And trying to be a VP who then steps out and challenges your Prez in the next election, how damaging would that be? Has that ever been done, a VP challenging his sitting Prez for the nomination? Talk about a mess. I can't see Obama wanting to deal with that potential hazard. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_dems_bd18may18,0,7163200.story chicagotribune.com Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket Tribune staff report May 18, 2008 The Democratic primary battle may not technically be over, but I'm ready to move on to the next phase of windy speculation and gratuitous strategery. So here are eight
RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
i almost feel Edwards would be wasted as Attorney General. Not that he wouldn't do good--he would. And Lord knows, given the abuses from that office the last seven years, we need a good person in that role. But i guess I like Edwards' presence, his affability, his ease with people, I'd rather see him in a role where he'd be in front of the public eye and shaping policy more often, instead of enforcing the law. Do you see a role for Joe Biden? Maybe he could be Secretary of State? What about Kucinich? Education? Housing and Urban Development? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bosco I know you asked Keith who his VP pick was, but here is my list. I love this puzzle Webb- Former Secretary of the Navy; former republican, could help deliver VA, has a good relationship with Obama - they co-sponsored a Vet bill together, produced Vet documentaries for PBS, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple; Con: I hear during his Reagan years he said some things about affirmative action than anger blacks; some say he is too direct and gets foot in the mouth disease Bloomberg - Independents and Moderate republicans like him. Democrats like him. He's been a dem and a republican, he's a good manager. Would change the dem/ Republican dynamic. Cons: No international Experience. From a blue state The four Hilary consolation picks would be: Wesley Clark, Evan Baye, Strickland and Rendell. I think Baye might be the strongest. He is a former governor, has international experience, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple - including deliver Indiana. The appease the women VP pick would be: Sibelius, McCaskil, or the governor of AZ. I do not think the Hillary supporters who are angry will accept a substitute angry and I wonder about two change candidates on the ticket. Also I do not think any of them have international experience I think Sibelius would be best. I think the AZ governor has young children and many Americans have issues with the idea of a woman with young children as president. They think she would neglect the kids. However I like McCaskil, but that would be two new Senators on the ticket. I like Edwards, but he did not deliver NC in 2004 and he does not want it. He wants Attorney General and I think he would be great for it I like Richardson, but he is clumsy of the campaign trail for himself and two change brown candidates at one time might be too much for this racist country to handle. I say give him Secretary of state -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket hey Keith Who would you like to see on the ticket? I am undecided. There are things I absolutely love about HRC and things that make me bum out as much as any poltician has ever made me bum out. I'm curious to know who the other folks under consideration are in the Obama camp. B --- On Sun, 5/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 10:03 AM For me, the two biggest reasons I've said for a year now that she shouldn't be on the ticket are her husband, and her own ambition. As listed below, Bill can't keep his thoughts to himself. I can't even imagine what it'd be like to have him: angry at Hillary being only the veep, disparaging of Obama's lack of experience, full of himself and the advice he'd have to give as a two-term Prez, ticked when Obama would (inevitably) not seek out, and actively ignore, said advice, and frankly, jealous of the spotlight Obama would have. The second reason? Hillary's ambition. This lady wants to be Prez, and everything from her veiled racist strategy (I get hard-working, white voters) to the other dirty tricks show she'd work behind the scenes to undermine Obama. I think-and I believe Obama thinks--that she'd be plotting against him all the time she's grinning in his face. She's in her 60's now, think she wants to wait *eight* years and try again? No way in hell. And trying to be a VP who then steps out and challenges your Prez in the next election, how damaging would that be? Has that ever been done, a VP challenging his sitting Prez for the nomination? Talk about a mess. I can't see Obama wanting to deal with that potential hazard. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_dems_bd18may18,0,7163200.story chicagotribune.com Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket Tribune staff report May 18, 2008
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I see Biden or Richardson as secretary of state.As much as many of us like Kucinich, he is not a player and in my opinion, therefore he will not be a part of the equation I agree about Edwards, but to truly clean up the department of Justice and restore the constitution, it will require a high profile AG. Additionally, it set him up for the supreme court. However, your point is well taken. Where do you see him Health and Human Services? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2008 8:48 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket i almost feel Edwards would be wasted as Attorney General. Not that he wouldn't do good--he would. And Lord knows, given the abuses from that office the last seven years, we need a good person in that role. But i guess I like Edwards' presence, his affability, his ease with people, I'd rather see him in a role where he'd be in front of the public eye and shaping policy more often, instead of enforcing the law. Do you see a role for Joe Biden? Maybe he could be Secretary of State? What about Kucinich? Education? Housing and Urban Development? -- Original message -- From: Tracey de Morsella [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bosco I know you asked Keith who his VP pick was, but here is my list. I love this puzzle Webb- Former Secretary of the Navy; former republican, could help deliver VA, has a good relationship with Obama - they co-sponsored a Vet bill together, produced Vet documentaries for PBS, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple; Con: I hear during his Reagan years he said some things about affirmative action than anger blacks; some say he is too direct and gets foot in the mouth disease Bloomberg - Independents and Moderate republicans like him. Democrats like him. He's been a dem and a republican, he's a good manager. Would change the dem/ Republican dynamic. Cons: No international Experience. From a blue state The four Hilary consolation picks would be: Wesley Clark, Evan Baye, Strickland and Rendell. I think Baye might be the strongest. He is a former governor, has international experience, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple - including deliver Indiana. The appease the women VP pick would be: Sibelius, McCaskil, or the governor of AZ. I do not think the Hillary supporters who are angry will accept a substitute angry and I wonder about two change candidates on the ticket. Also I do not think any of them have international experience I think Sibelius would be best. I think the AZ governor has young children and many Americans have issues with the idea of a woman with young children as president. They think she would neglect the kids. However I like McCaskil, but that would be two new Senators on the ticket. I like Edwards, but he did not deliver NC in 2004 and he does not want it. He wants Attorney General and I think he would be great for it I like Richardson, but he is clumsy of the campaign trail for himself and two change brown candidates at one time might be too much for this racist country to handle. I say give him Secretary of state -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket hey Keith Who would you like to see on the ticket? I am undecided. There are things I absolutely love about HRC and things that make me bum out as much as any poltician has ever made me bum out. I'm curious to know who the other folks under consideration are in the Obama camp. B --- On Sun, 5/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 10:03 AM For me, the two biggest reasons I've said for a year now that she shouldn't be on the ticket are her husband, and her own ambition. As listed below, Bill can't keep his thoughts to himself. I can't even imagine what it'd be like to have him: angry at Hillary being only the veep, disparaging of Obama's lack of experience, full of himself and the advice he'd have to give as a two-term Prez, ticked when Obama would (inevitably) not seek out, and actively ignore, said advice, and frankly, jealous of the spotlight Obama would have. The second reason? Hillary's ambition. This lady wants to be Prez, and everything from her veiled racist strategy (I get hard-working, white voters) to the other dirty tricks show she'd work behind the scenes to undermine Obama. I think-and I believe Obama thinks--that she'd
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Bosco I know you asked Keith who his VP pick was, but here is my list. I love this puzzle Webb- Former Secretary of the Navy; former republican, could help deliver VA, has a good relationship with Obama - they co-sponsored a Vet bill together, produced Vet documentaries for PBS, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple; Con: I hear during his Reagan years he said some things about affirmative action than anger blacks; some say he is too direct and gets foot in the mouth disease Bloomberg - Independents and Moderate republicans like him. Democrats like him. He's been a dem and a republican, he's a good manager. Would change the dem/ Republican dynamic. Cons: No international Experience. From a blue state The four Hilary consolation picks would be: Wesley Clark, Evan Baye, Strickland and Rendell. I think Baye might be the strongest. He is a former governor, has international experience, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple - including deliver Indiana. The appease the women VP pick would be: Sibelius, McCaskil, or the governor of AZ. I do not think the Hillary supporters who are angry will accept a substitute angry and I wonder about two change candidates on the ticket. Also I do not think any of them have international experience I think Sibelius would be best. I think the AZ governor has young children and many Americans have issues with the idea of a woman with young children as president. They think she would neglect the kids. However I like McCaskil, but that would be two new Senators on the ticket. I like Edwards, but he did not deliver NC in 2004 and he does not want it. He wants Attorney General and I think he would be great for it I like Richardson, but he is clumsy of the campaign trail for himself and two change brown candidates at one time might be too much for this racist country to handle. I say give him Secretary of state -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket hey Keith Who would you like to see on the ticket? I am undecided. There are things I absolutely love about HRC and things that make me bum out as much as any poltician has ever made me bum out. I'm curious to know who the other folks under consideration are in the Obama camp. B --- On Sun, 5/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 10:03 AM For me, the two biggest reasons I've said for a year now that she shouldn't be on the ticket are her husband, and her own ambition. As listed below, Bill can't keep his thoughts to himself. I can't even imagine what it'd be like to have him: angry at Hillary being only the veep, disparaging of Obama's lack of experience, full of himself and the advice he'd have to give as a two-term Prez, ticked when Obama would (inevitably) not seek out, and actively ignore, said advice, and frankly, jealous of the spotlight Obama would have. The second reason? Hillary's ambition. This lady wants to be Prez, and everything from her veiled racist strategy (I get hard-working, white voters) to the other dirty tricks show she'd work behind the scenes to undermine Obama. I think-and I believe Obama thinks--that she'd be plotting against him all the time she's grinning in his face. She's in her 60's now, think she wants to wait *eight* years and try again? No way in hell. And trying to be a VP who then steps out and challenges your Prez in the next election, how damaging would that be? Has that ever been done, a VP challenging his sitting Prez for the nomination? Talk about a mess. I can't see Obama wanting to deal with that potential hazard. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_dems_bd18may18,0,7163200.story chicagotribune.com Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket Tribune staff report May 18, 2008 The Democratic primary battle may not technically be over, but I'm ready to move on to the next phase of windy speculation and gratuitous strategery. So here are eight reasons Barack Obama should not offer Hillary Clinton the No. 2 spot on the Democratic ticket: 1. She's a familiar Washington insider and a major premise of his candidacy has been changing the ways of Washington. 2. She's pandered brazenly and attacked personally on the campaign trail, showing herself to be the embodiment of the old way of doing politics Obama has disparaged. 3. Her husband, the former president, has shown
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Amen to that! And she will have no problem blowing up innocent people with her testicular fortitude -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Amy Harlib Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 9:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket [EMAIL PROTECTED] The below hints at it but I'll baldly state it, the top reason against Clinton is how totally she is owned by and a puppet of the global corporatocracy that is destroying the planet with its blind greed. Amy www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_dems_bd18may18,0,7163200.story chicagotribune.com Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket Tribune staff report May 18, 2008 The Democratic primary battle may not technically be over, but I'm ready to move on to the next phase of windy speculation and gratuitous strategery. So here are eight reasons Barack Obama should not offer Hillary Clinton the No. 2 spot on the Democratic ticket: 1. She's a familiar Washington insider and a major premise of his candidacy has been changing the ways of Washington. 2. She's pandered brazenly and attacked personally on the campaign trail, showing herself to be the embodiment of the old way of doing politics Obama has disparaged. 3. Her husband, the former president, has shown an inability to stay on message and keep his foot out of his mouth. 4. She's polarizing. Clinton's unfavorable ratings are from 7 to 16 points higher than Obama's in recent national polls. 5. She'll star in Republican attack ads against Obama: The I believe that I've met the qualifications to be commander-in-chief ad will show her saying, Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you'll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy. 6. She crossed the line when she repeated this thought several times to reporters in early March: I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he'd bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002. 7. She's toting unpacked baggage. Obama's high-road approach has kept him from doing what Republican operatives are itching to do: Dig up the half-buried Clinton family scandals of the 1990s and turn over every rock from the last eight years looking for more. 8. Politically, a teammate is better than a counterweight. Bill Clinton himself demonstrated this when he picked another young moderate Democrat from the mid-South - Al Gore of Tennessee - and the two ran a vigorous, consistent campaign. Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1453 - Release Date: 5/18/2008 9:31 AM Yahoo! Groups Links
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PS: Scratch my first choice (smirk) I found this out right after I posted. He's been divorced twice, married 3 times; He's got a bad rep with women due to some very misogynistic writings about women in the military while SecNav; He's got a short temper and is a loose cannon; he was stopped when he was found to be carrying a gun into the Senate. It was one of his aides who forgot there was a gun in his briefcase. :) ; voted against the Constitution of the United States and for Telecoms. He is considered not fully vetted. He also knows all this and more about himself which is why he's said he's happy where he is. However, it is important to note, during his tenure at the VA and in Reagans's cabinet, he maintained a reputation as a free thinker who said what was on his mind, often at odds with the party line. Again and again and again he went to bat for individual vets who were being short changed. When he left there was no love lost on either side. Oh, and for added fun,. But add VA gov Mark Warner to the list. Interesting factoid. Kaine is a jesuit missionary to Honduras and speaks fluent Spanish. I kinda like Biden too, but not a big advantage for picking him -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 4:22 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket Bosco I know you asked Keith who his VP pick was, but here is my list. I love this puzzle Webb- Former Secretary of the Navy; former republican, could help deliver VA, has a good relationship with Obama - they co-sponsored a Vet bill together, produced Vet documentaries for PBS, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple; Con: I hear during his Reagan years he said some things about affirmative action than anger blacks; some say he is too direct and gets foot in the mouth disease Bloomberg - Independents and Moderate republicans like him. Democrats like him. He's been a dem and a republican, he's a good manager. Would change the dem/ Republican dynamic. Cons: No international Experience. From a blue state The four Hilary consolation picks would be: Wesley Clark, Evan Baye, Strickland and Rendell. I think Baye might be the strongest. He is a former governor, has international experience, would appeal to Reagan democrats and white men to help turn some southern states purple - including deliver Indiana. The appease the women VP pick would be: Sibelius, McCaskil, or the governor of AZ. I do not think the Hillary supporters who are angry will accept a substitute angry and I wonder about two change candidates on the ticket. Also I do not think any of them have international experience I think Sibelius would be best. I think the AZ governor has young children and many Americans have issues with the idea of a woman with young children as president. They think she would neglect the kids. However I like McCaskil, but that would be two new Senators on the ticket. I like Edwards, but he did not deliver NC in 2004 and he does not want it. He wants Attorney General and I think he would be great for it I like Richardson, but he is clumsy of the campaign trail for himself and two change brown candidates at one time might be too much for this racist country to handle. I say give him Secretary of state -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 4:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket hey Keith Who would you like to see on the ticket? I am undecided. There are things I absolutely love about HRC and things that make me bum out as much as any poltician has ever made me bum out. I'm curious to know who the other folks under consideration are in the Obama camp. B --- On Sun, 5/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 10:03 AM For me, the two biggest reasons I've said for a year now that she shouldn't be on the ticket are her husband, and her own ambition. As listed below, Bill can't keep his thoughts to himself. I can't even imagine what it'd be like to have him: angry at Hillary being only the veep, disparaging of Obama's lack of experience, full of himself and the advice he'd have to give as a two-term Prez, ticked when Obama would (inevitably) not seek out, and actively ignore, said advice, and frankly, jealous of the spotlight Obama would have. The second reason? Hillary's ambition. This lady wants to be Prez, and everything from her veiled racist strategy (I get hard-working, white voters
Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket
hey Keith Who would you like to see on the ticket? I am undecided. There are things I absolutely love about HRC and things that make me bum out as much as any poltician has ever made me bum out. I'm curious to know who the other folks under consideration are in the Obama camp. B --- On Sun, 5/18/08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] OT:Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, May 18, 2008, 10:03 AM For me, the two biggest reasons I've said for a year now that she shouldn't be on the ticket are her husband, and her own ambition. As listed below, Bill can't keep his thoughts to himself. I can't even imagine what it'd be like to have him: angry at Hillary being only the veep, disparaging of Obama's lack of experience, full of himself and the advice he'd have to give as a two-term Prez, ticked when Obama would (inevitably) not seek out, and actively ignore, said advice, and frankly, jealous of the spotlight Obama would have. The second reason? Hillary's ambition. This lady wants to be Prez, and everything from her veiled racist strategy (I get hard-working, white voters) to the other dirty tricks show she'd work behind the scenes to undermine Obama. I think-and I believe Obama thinks--that she'd be plotting against him all the time she's grinning in his face. She's in her 60's now, think she wants to wait *eight* years and try again? No way in hell. And trying to be a VP who then steps out and challenges your Prez in the next election, how damaging would that be? Has that ever been done, a VP challenging his sitting Prez for the nomination? Talk about a mess. I can't see Obama wanting to deal with that potential hazard. -- Original message -- From: ravenadal [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-change_dems_bd18may18,0,7163200.story chicagotribune.com Top reasons Clinton should not get on dream ticket Tribune staff report May 18, 2008 The Democratic primary battle may not technically be over, but I'm ready to move on to the next phase of windy speculation and gratuitous strategery. So here are eight reasons Barack Obama should not offer Hillary Clinton the No. 2 spot on the Democratic ticket: 1. She's a familiar Washington insider and a major premise of his candidacy has been changing the ways of Washington. 2. She's pandered brazenly and attacked personally on the campaign trail, showing herself to be the embodiment of the old way of doing politics Obama has disparaged. 3. Her husband, the former president, has shown an inability to stay on message and keep his foot out of his mouth. 4. She's polarizing. Clinton's unfavorable ratings are from 7 to 16 points higher than Obama's in recent national polls. 5. She'll star in Republican attack ads against Obama: The I believe that I've met the qualifications to be commander-in-chief ad will show her saying, Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you'll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy. 6. She crossed the line when she repeated this thought several times to reporters in early March: I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he'd bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002. 7. She's toting unpacked baggage. Obama's high-road approach has kept him from doing what Republican operatives are itching to do: Dig up the half-buried Clinton family scandals of the 1990s and turn over every rock from the last eight years looking for more. 8. Politically, a teammate is better than a counterweight. Bill Clinton himself demonstrated this when he picked another young moderate Democrat from the mid-South — Al Gore of Tennessee — and the two ran a vigorous, consistent campaign. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Links
