Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy
Keith, that's exactly why I passed on that ep. Too vivid, even for my twisted brain. The ep I wanted to see was the one at 1 pm Eastern, with MacKenzie Phillips and Colin Mochrie of "Whose Line Is It Anyway?", about a UFO nut and a security guard who come into possession of what appears to be a fragment of a UFO that crashed. You can see the twist coming from light-years off (one of them is part of the cover-up), and it still gets you every time. I saw the ep that's on now, with the military droid on the run, last month, so I'm passing on it for Graham Kerr. (Ultra Old School, am I. [?][?]) On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > There's an "Outer Limits" (the newer series) marathon on SyFy now. The good > thing is, because the show's airing was so inconsistent back in the day, I > can always find an ep or two I've never seen, seen only partially, or seen > only one time. There were some really good shows in that series. The ep on > now, however, is one I have trouble watching. It stars Joel Grey as a > grief-stricken scientist whose only son died. He secrets funds and parts > from the lab where he works to build a robotic son as a substitute, complete > with true self-awareness. The problem is, he has to hide this project, > both from the lab whose resources he's pilfering, and of course from the > world at large, which would treat his "son" as a freak--or menace. What > makes this oft-used scifi trope effective in this show is the combination of > touching sadness and faint fear the show engenders. For example, the robot > boy is obviously not real: his movements are jerky, his eyes are two balls > devoid of sockets or real lids, his mouth is just teeth with no lips. His > overall skeleton--only the upper body at first--is metallic, with a small > amount of skinlike material on his lower jaw. In short, he looks much like > the Terminator skeleton with a bit more human characteristics added. That > alone wouldn't be disturbing, but the child actor who voices the robot is so > genuine, so emotive, so "real", that hearing that voice come out of a > near-expressionless face is quite disturbing. The "Uncanny Valley" effect is > really working here. Adding to the growing sense of unease about the child > is that when he's angry or hurt, one then sees it not just as a angry child, > but a potentially deadly robot whose features are already frankly > frightening. It's the Frankenstein's Monster effect again: he may be a > child, and act like a child, but he's in a frightening body that can do > harm, and his childlike tantrums can turn deadly. > The scene that always disturbs me the most is when the dad comes home to > find his son with the family cat. "Shhh", the son says, "he feel asleep, and > I'm petting him. He's so pretty" The camera pans down to show the > lifeless body of the cat, literally shredded to bloody ribbons by the > unfeeling metallic hands of the son. He didn't mean to kill the cat, but had > no concept of death, his strength, nor an ability to feel. There's something > extremely creepy about this robot child have human innocence, but the body > and face of a monster, which makes his anguished outburst over realizing > he'd killed the cat both poignant and frightening at the same time. You > actually feel for the child, but fear the thing in which he's house. Again, > like Frankenstein's Monster. One of the better "Outer Limits" I've ever > seen, but I can't sit through it more than once. > > > -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik <<32B.gif>><<96C.gif>>
Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy
That's one of those I've never seen all the way to the end. One forgets how good an actress Phillips can be, given the opportunity and sobriety.- Original Message -From: "Martin Baxter" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:33:54 PMSubject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy Keith, that's exactly why I passed on that ep. Too vivid, even for my twisted brain.The ep I wanted to see was the one at 1 pm Eastern, with MacKenzie Phillips and Colin Mochrie of "Whose Line Is It Anyway?", about a UFO nut and a security guard who come into possession of what appears to be a fragment of a UFO that crashed. You can see the twist coming from light-years off (one of them is part of the cover-up), and it still gets you every time. I saw the ep that's on now, with the military droid on the run, last month, so I'm passing on it for Graham Kerr. (Ultra Old School, am I. ) On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Keith Johnson <keithbjohn...@comcast.net> wrote: There's an "Outer Limits" (the newer series) marathon on SyFy now. The good thing is, because the show's airing was so inconsistent back in the day, I can always find an ep or two I've never seen, seen only partially, or seen only one time. There were some really good shows in that series. The ep on now, however, is one I have trouble watching. It stars Joel Grey as a grief-stricken scientist whose only son died. He secrets funds and parts from the lab where he works to build a robotic son as a substitute, complete with true self-awareness. The problem is, he has to hide this project, both from the lab whose resources he's pilfering, and of course from the world at large, which would treat his "son" as a freak--or menace. What makes this oft-used scifi trope effective in this show is the combination of touching sadness and faint fear the show engenders. For example, the robot boy is obviously not real: his movements are jerky, his eyes are two balls devoid of sockets or real lids, his mouth is just teeth with no lips. His overall skeleton--only the upper body at first--is metallic, with a small amount of skinlike material on his lower jaw. In short, he looks much like the Terminator skeleton with a bit more human characteristics added. That alone wouldn't be disturbing, but the child actor who voices the robot is so genuine, so emotive, so "real", that hearing that voice come out of a near-expressionless face is quite disturbing. The "Uncanny Valley" effect is really working here. Adding to the growing sense of unease about the child is that when he's angry or hurt, one then sees it not just as a angry child, but a potentially deadly robot whose features are already frankly frightening. It's the Frankenstein's Monster effect again: he may be a child, and act like a child, but he's in a frightening body that can do harm, and his childlike tantrums can turn deadly. The scene that always disturbs me the most is when the dad comes home to find his son with the family cat. "Shhh", the son says, "he feel asleep, and I'm petting him. He's so pretty" The camera pans down to show the lifeless body of the cat, literally shredded to bloody ribbons by the unfeeling metallic hands of the son. He didn't mean to kill the cat, but had no concept of death, his strength, nor an ability to feel. There's something extremely creepy about this robot child have human innocence, but the body and face of a monster, which makes his anguished outburst over realizing he'd killed the cat both poignant and frightening at the same time. You actually feel for the child, but fear the thing in which he's house. Again, like Frankenstein's Monster. One of the better "Outer Limits" I've ever seen, but I can't sit through it more than once. -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Granthttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy
Indeed, Keith. THe ending was truly powerful, with her character breaking down again, as she did when her husband abandoned her years earlier, taking their baby daughter. Having hope ripped away again was too much for her spirit to bear. On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > That's one of those I've never seen all the way to the end. One forgets how > good an actress Phillips can be, given the opportunity and sobriety. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, September 8, 2010 2:33:54 PM > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy > > > > Keith, that's exactly why I passed on that ep. Too vivid, even for my > twisted brain. > > The ep I wanted to see was the one at 1 pm Eastern, with MacKenzie Phillips > and Colin Mochrie of "Whose Line Is It Anyway?", about a UFO nut and a > security guard who come into possession of what appears to be a fragment of > a UFO that crashed. You can see the twist coming from light-years off (one > of them is part of the cover-up), and it still gets you every time. I saw > the ep that's on now, with the military droid on the run, last month, so I'm > passing on it for Graham Kerr. (Ultra Old School, am I. ) > > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Keith Johnson > wrote: > >> >> >> There's an "Outer Limits" (the newer series) marathon on SyFy now. The >> good thing is, because the show's airing was so inconsistent back in the >> day, I can always find an ep or two I've never seen, seen only partially, or >> seen only one time. There were some really good shows in that series. The ep >> on now, however, is one I have trouble watching. It stars Joel Grey as a >> grief-stricken scientist whose only son died. He secrets funds and parts >> from the lab where he works to build a robotic son as a substitute, complete >> with true self-awareness. The problem is, he has to hide this project, >> both from the lab whose resources he's pilfering, and of course from the >> world at large, which would treat his "son" as a freak--or menace. What >> makes this oft-used scifi trope effective in this show is the combination of >> touching sadness and faint fear the show engenders. For example, the robot >> boy is obviously not real: his movements are jerky, his eyes are two balls >> devoid of sockets or real lids, his mouth is just teeth with no lips. His >> overall skeleton--only the upper body at first--is metallic, with a small >> amount of skinlike material on his lower jaw. In short, he looks much like >> the Terminator skeleton with a bit more human characteristics added. That >> alone wouldn't be disturbing, but the child actor who voices the robot is so >> genuine, so emotive, so "real", that hearing that voice come out of a >> near-expressionless face is quite disturbing. The "Uncanny Valley" effect is >> really working here. Adding to the growing sense of unease about the child >> is that when he's angry or hurt, one then sees it not just as a angry child, >> but a potentially deadly robot whose features are already frankly >> frightening. It's the Frankenstein's Monster effect again: he may be a >> child, and act like a child, but he's in a frightening body that can do >> harm, and his childlike tantrums can turn deadly. >> The scene that always disturbs me the most is when the dad comes home to >> find his son with the family cat. "Shhh", the son says, "he feel asleep, and >> I'm petting him. He's so pretty" The camera pans down to show the >> lifeless body of the cat, literally shredded to bloody ribbons by the >> unfeeling metallic hands of the son. He didn't mean to kill the cat, but had >> no concept of death, his strength, nor an ability to feel. There's something >> extremely creepy about this robot child have human innocence, but the body >> and face of a monster, which makes his anguished outburst over realizing >> he'd killed the cat both poignant and frightening at the same time. You >> actually feel for the child, but fear the thing in which he's house. Again, >> like Frankenstein's Monster. One of the better "Outer Limits" I've ever >> seen, but I can't sit through it more than once. >> >> > > > -- > "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell > wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > -- "If all the world's a stage and we are merely players, who the bloody hell wrote the script?" -- Charles E Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik
RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy
And guess who wanders in with six minutes left in the marathon? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy SyFy is running an "Outer Limits" marathon right now. They're running the eps from the second series from the '90s, not the original black-and-white eps. I will say, I always enjoyed this series. Unlike "Twilight Zone", Outer Limits seemed to me to have a higher quality remake. "Zone" was very hit-and-miss in both its reincarnations, but "Limits" was in the main very enjoyable. Perhaps it's because Limits tended to be more straightforward scifi, where Zone dealt with supernatural as well? Or maybe no one could do it as well as Serling? At any rate, they've shown some good ones so for. The one on now starts with a demonic looking teddy bear pulling a little boy under his bed into limbo. Gotta admit: that little toy with its glowing red eyes was downright creepy! _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/
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Sorry you missed it. Good shows. You know, I realize how much i miss good scifi anthology series. One problem I have with all the shows on the tube now--good and bad--is that it's the same universe week after week. Shows like Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, etc., created completely new worlds each week, with different subject matter and different actors. Just in the brief marathon I saw today, I got to enjoy Rebecca DeMornay, John Savage, Timothy Bussfield, and a host of character actors from all over the place. Really miss that format And, there's a decent ep of "Enterprise" on now. It was toward the end of the Xindi storyline, where some of the shows were actually not bad at all. After the time travel foolishness (the exploding sphere, then Archer's in a Nazi-occupied NYC???) the show got much better. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy And guess who wanders in with six minutes left in the marathon? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy SyFy is running an "Outer Limits" marathon right now. They're running the eps from the second series from the '90s, not the original black-and-white eps. I will say, I always enjoyed this series. Unlike "Twilight Zone", Outer Limits seemed to me to have a higher quality remake. "Zone" was very hit-and-miss in both its reincarnations, but "Limits" was in the main very enjoyable. Perhaps it's because Limits tended to be more straightforward scifi, where Zone dealt with supernatural as well? Or maybe no one could do it as well as Serling? At any rate, they've shown some good ones so for. The one on now starts with a demonic looking teddy bear pulling a little boy under his bed into limbo. Gotta admit: that little toy with its glowing red eyes was downright creepy! Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.
RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy
It was good stuff. They did weaken a bit when they tried to string together several of the common story lines using clip shows. (shudder) And I've been trying to watch Enterprise, but I just had a stampede of teenagers through my living room. My synapses were using smoke signals to communicate. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:05:42 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy Sorry you missed it. Good shows. You know, I realize how much i miss good scifi anthology series. One problem I have with all the shows on the tube now--good and bad--is that it's the same universe week after week. Shows like Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, etc., created completely new worlds each week, with different subject matter and different actors. Just in the brief marathon I saw today, I got to enjoy Rebecca DeMornay, John Savage, Timothy Bussfield, and a host of character actors from all over the place. Really miss that format And, there's a decent ep of "Enterprise" on now. It was toward the end of the Xindi storyline, where some of the shows were actually not bad at all. After the time travel foolishness (the exploding sphere, then Archer's in a Nazi-occupied NYC???) the show got much better. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy And guess who wanders in with six minutes left in the marathon? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy SyFy is running an "Outer Limits" marathon right now. They're running the eps from the second series from the '90s, not the original black-and-white eps. I will say, I always enjoyed this series. Unlike "Twilight Zone", Outer Limits seemed to me to have a higher quality remake. "Zone" was very hit-and-miss in both its reincarnations, but "Limits" was in the main very enjoyable. Perhaps it's because Limits tended to be more straightforward scifi, where Zone dealt with supernatural as well? Or maybe no one could do it as well as Serling? At any rate, they've shown some good ones so for. The one on now starts with a demonic looking teddy bear pulling a little boy under his bed into limbo. Gotta admit: that little toy with its glowing red eyes was downright creepy! Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/
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I'm a big fan of the outer limits old and remake. I'm happy that the series was made and wish they would bring it back with the remake crew for another 10 years. The Xindi alternate timeline on Enterprise was pretty good. It even influenced a video game from it. (although the game wasn't good) On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > Sorry you missed it. Good shows. You know, I realize how much i miss good > scifi anthology series. One problem I have with all the shows on the tube > now--good and bad--is that it's the same universe week after week. Shows > like Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, etc., created completely new worlds each > week, with different subject matter and different actors. Just in the brief > marathon I saw today, I got to enjoy Rebecca DeMornay, John Savage, Timothy > Bussfield, and a host of character actors from all over the place. Really > miss that format > > > > And, there's a decent ep of "Enterprise" on now. It was toward the end of > the Xindi storyline, where some of the shows were actually not bad at all. > After the time travel foolishness (the exploding sphere, then Archer's in a > Nazi-occupied NYC???) the show got much better. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy > > > > And guess who wanders in with six minutes left in the marathon? > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net > Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:31 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy > > > > SyFy is running an "Outer Limits" marathon right now. They're running the > eps from the second series from the '90s, not the original black-and-white > eps. I will say, I always enjoyed this series. Unlike "Twilight Zone", Outer > Limits seemed to me to have a higher quality remake. "Zone" was very > hit-and-miss in both its reincarnations, but "Limits" was in the main very > enjoyable. Perhaps it's because Limits tended to be more straightforward > scifi, where Zone dealt with supernatural as well? Or maybe no one could do > it as well as Serling? > At any rate, they've shown some good ones so for. The one on now starts > with a demonic looking teddy bear pulling a little boy under his bed into > limbo. Gotta admit: that little toy with its glowing red eyes was downright > creepy! > > > > -- > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up > now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/> > > > > > -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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Yeah, the clip shows they used to connect completely disparate eps of Outer Limits were an abomination. I remember them trying to connect the ep about the lady who traveled through time to kill future criminals. There's also an older actor, a very slim man who guest starred in a couple of eps. They tried to weave his shows in too. In fact, I completely skipped the series finale, where Charleton Heston and others have some kind of trial. What was up with that? Gosh, i'm really missing anthology shows! I'm getting really nostalgic, thinking about everything from Alfred Hitchcok Presents, to Creepshow, from Friday the 13th to A Touch of Evil, Tales from the Darkside to Amazing Stories. Not all were great shows, but I miss the concept. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:47:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy It was good stuff. They did weaken a bit when they tried to string together several of the common story lines using clip shows. (shudder) And I've been trying to watch Enterprise, but I just had a stampede of teenagers through my living room. My synapses were using smoke signals to communicate. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:05:42 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy Sorry you missed it. Good shows. You know, I realize how much i miss good scifi anthology series. One problem I have with all the shows on the tube now--good and bad--is that it's the same universe week after week. Shows like Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, etc., created completely new worlds each week, with different subject matter and different actors. Just in the brief marathon I saw today, I got to enjoy Rebecca DeMornay, John Savage, Timothy Bussfield, and a host of character actors from all over the place. Really miss that format And, there's a decent ep of "Enterprise" on now. It was toward the end of the Xindi storyline, where some of the shows were actually not bad at all. After the time travel foolishness (the exploding sphere, then Archer's in a Nazi-occupied NYC???) the show got much better. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy And guess who wanders in with six minutes left in the marathon? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy SyFy is running an "Outer Limits" marathon right now. They're running the eps from the second series from the '90s, not the original black-and-white eps. I will say, I always enjoyed this series. Unlike "Twilight Zone", Outer Limits seemed to me to have a higher quality remake. "Zone" was very hit-and-miss in both its reincarnations, but "Limits" was in the main very enjoyable. Perhaps it's because Limits tended to be more straightforward scifi, where Zone dealt with supernatural as well? Or maybe no one could do it as well as Serling? At any rate, they've shown some good ones so for. The one on now starts with a demonic looking teddy bear pulling a little boy under his bed into limbo. Gotta admit: that little toy with its glowing red eyes was downright creepy! Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now.
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Ditto on Outer Limits. The two Twilight Zone remakes had their moments, but quality was more haphazard. Again, they never got a showrunner/writer of Serling's abilities. I tired of time travel stories, arguably the single most overused plotline in all of Trekdom. Not that I'm against time travel, mind you: "Yesterday's Enteprise" was one of my favs, as was the "Enterprise" ep where Archer lost his memory in a future where Earth had been destroyed by the Xindi. I loved the William Frakes-directed ep where the Enterprise got stuck in a time loop where it was destroyed over and over again. "City on the Edge of Forever" is a well-deserved classic. But Rick Berman and Brannon Braga used time travel so damn much I got sick of it, especially when they expanded the theme to whole story arcs, instead of just as good standalone eps. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:36:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy I'm a big fan of the outer limits old and remake. I'm happy that the series was made and wish they would bring it back with the remake crew for another 10 years. The Xindi alternate timeline on Enterprise was pretty good. It even influenced a video game from it. (although the game wasn't good) On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Sorry you missed it. Good shows. You know, I realize how much i miss good scifi anthology series. One problem I have with all the shows on the tube now--good and bad--is that it's the same universe week after week. Shows like Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, etc., created completely new worlds each week, with different subject matter and different actors. Just in the brief marathon I saw today, I got to enjoy Rebecca DeMornay, John Savage, Timothy Bussfield, and a host of character actors from all over the place. Really miss that format And, there's a decent ep of "Enterprise" on now. It was toward the end of the Xindi storyline, where some of the shows were actually not bad at all. After the time travel foolishness (the exploding sphere, then Archer's in a Nazi-occupied NYC???) the show got much better. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy And guess who wanders in with six minutes left in the marathon? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy SyFy is running an "Outer Limits" marathon right now. They're running the eps from the second series from the '90s, not the original black-and-white eps. I will say, I always enjoyed this series. Unlike "Twilight Zone", Outer Limits seemed to me to have a higher quality remake. "Zone" was very hit-and-miss in both its reincarnations, but "Limits" was in the main very enjoyable. Perhaps it's because Limits tended to be more straightforward scifi, where Zone dealt with supernatural as well? Or maybe no one could do it as well as Serling? At any rate, they've shown some good ones so for. The one on now starts with a demonic looking teddy bear pulling a little boy under his bed into limbo. Gotta admit: that little toy with its glowing red eyes was downright creepy! Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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I think of it as an experiment. They could have used it a little more wisely though. I enjoyed the idea of traveling to different points in alternate futures to see the subtle hints in the background. It reminded me of the Bishop subplot on the Xmen tv show. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > Ditto on Outer Limits. The two Twilight Zone remakes had their moments, but > quality was more haphazard. Again, they never got a showrunner/writer of > Serling's abilities. > > > > I tired of time travel stories, arguably the single most overused plotline > in all of Trekdom. Not that I'm against time travel, mind you: "Yesterday's > Enteprise" was one of my favs, as was the "Enterprise" ep where Archer lost > his memory in a future where Earth had been destroyed by the Xindi. I loved > the William Frakes-directed ep where the Enterprise got stuck in a time loop > where it was destroyed over and over again. "City on the Edge of Forever" is > a well-deserved classic. But Rick Berman and Brannon Braga used time travel > so damn much I got sick of it, especially when they expanded the theme to > whole story arcs, instead of just as good standalone eps. > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 5:36:43 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy > > > > I'm a big fan of the outer limits old and remake. I'm happy that the series > was made and wish they would bring it back with the remake crew for another > 10 years. > > The Xindi alternate timeline on Enterprise was pretty good. It even > influenced a video game from it. (although the game wasn't good) > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:05 PM, Keith Johnson > wrote: > >> >> >> Sorry you missed it. Good shows. You know, I realize how much i miss >> good scifi anthology series. One problem I have with all the shows on the >> tube now--good and bad--is that it's the same universe week after week. >> Shows like Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, etc., created completely new worlds >> each week, with different subject matter and different actors. Just in the >> brief marathon I saw today, I got to enjoy Rebecca DeMornay, John Savage, >> Timothy Bussfield, and a host of character actors from all over the place. >> Really miss that format >> >> >> >> And, there's a decent ep of "Enterprise" on now. It was toward the end of >> the Xindi storyline, where some of the shows were actually not bad at all. >> After the time travel foolishness (the exploding sphere, then Archer's in a >> Nazi-occupied NYC???) the show got much better. >> >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Martin Baxter" >> To: "SciFiNoir2" >> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy >> >> >> >> And guess who wanders in with six minutes left in the marathon? >> >> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in >> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik >> >> >> >> >> -- >> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com >> From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net >> Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:31 + >> Subject: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy >> >> >> >> SyFy is running an "Outer Limits" marathon right now. They're running the >> eps from the second series from the '90s, not the original black-and-white >> eps. I will say, I always enjoyed this series. Unlike "Twilight Zone", Outer >> Limits seemed to me to have a higher quality remake. "Zone" was very >> hit-and-miss in both its reincarnations, but "Limits" was in the main very >> enjoyable. Perhaps it's because Limits tended to be more straightforward >> scifi, where Zone dealt with supernatural as well? Or maybe no one could do >> it as well as Serling? >> At any rate, they've shown some good ones so for. The one on now starts >> with a demonic looking teddy bear pulling a little boy under his bed into >> limbo. Gotta admit: that little toy with its glowing red eyes was downright >> creepy! >> >> >> >> -- >> Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up >> now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! > Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ > > > > > -- Bringing diversity to perversity for over 9 years! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy
If memory serves, Keith, that trial was because she'd dared to use technology in a post-WWIII world where it had been outlawed. And I'm missing anthology series as well. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:00:40 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy Yeah, the clip shows they used to connect completely disparate eps of Outer Limits were an abomination. I remember them trying to connect the ep about the lady who traveled through time to kill future criminals. There's also an older actor, a very slim man who guest starred in a couple of eps. They tried to weave his shows in too. In fact, I completely skipped the series finale, where Charleton Heston and others have some kind of trial. What was up with that? Gosh, i'm really missing anthology shows! I'm getting really nostalgic, thinking about everything from Alfred Hitchcok Presents, to Creepshow, from Friday the 13th to A Touch of Evil, Tales from the Darkside to Amazing Stories. Not all were great shows, but I miss the concept. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:47:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy It was good stuff. They did weaken a bit when they tried to string together several of the common story lines using clip shows. (shudder) And I've been trying to watch Enterprise, but I just had a stampede of teenagers through my living room. My synapses were using smoke signals to communicate. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:05:42 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy Sorry you missed it. Good shows. You know, I realize how much i miss good scifi anthology series. One problem I have with all the shows on the tube now--good and bad--is that it's the same universe week after week. Shows like Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, etc., created completely new worlds each week, with different subject matter and different actors. Just in the brief marathon I saw today, I got to enjoy Rebecca DeMornay, John Savage, Timothy Bussfield, and a host of character actors from all over the place. Really miss that format And, there's a decent ep of "Enterprise" on now. It was toward the end of the Xindi storyline, where some of the shows were actually not bad at all. After the time travel foolishness (the exploding sphere, then Archer's in a Nazi-occupied NYC???) the show got much better. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy And guess who wanders in with six minutes left in the marathon? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy SyFy is running an "Outer Limits" marathon right now. They're running the eps from the second series from the '90s, not the original black-and-white eps. I will say, I always enjoyed this series. Unlike "Twilight Zone", Outer Limits seemed to me to have a higher quality remake. "Zone" was very hit-and-miss in both its reincarnations, but "Limits" was in the main very enjoyable. Perhaps it's because Limits tended to be more straightforward scifi, where Zone dealt with supernatural as well? Or maybe no one could do it as well as Serling? At any rate, they've shown some good ones so for. The one on now starts with a demonic looking teddy bear pulling a little boy under his bed into limbo. Gotta admit: that little toy with its glowing red eyes was downright creepy! Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/
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okay, thanks for the explanation. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 4:12:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy If memory serves, Keith, that trial was because she'd dared to use technology in a post-WWIII world where it had been outlawed. And I'm missing anthology series as well. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:00:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy Yeah, the clip shows they used to connect completely disparate eps of Outer Limits were an abomination. I remember them trying to connect the ep about the lady who traveled through time to kill future criminals. There's also an older actor, a very slim man who guest starred in a couple of eps. They tried to weave his shows in too. In fact, I completely skipped the series finale, where Charleton Heston and others have some kind of trial. What was up with that? Gosh, i'm really missing anthology shows! I'm getting really nostalgic, thinking about everything from Alfred Hitchcok Presents, to Creepshow, from Friday the 13th to A Touch of Evil, Tales from the Darkside to Amazing Stories. Not all were great shows, but I miss the concept. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:47:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy It was good stuff. They did weaken a bit when they tried to string together several of the common story lines using clip shows. (shudder) And I've been trying to watch Enterprise, but I just had a stampede of teenagers through my living room. My synapses were using smoke signals to communicate. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:05:42 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy Sorry you missed it. Good shows. You know, I realize how much i miss good scifi anthology series. One problem I have with all the shows on the tube now--good and bad--is that it's the same universe week after week. Shows like Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, etc., created completely new worlds each week, with different subject matter and different actors. Just in the brief marathon I saw today, I got to enjoy Rebecca DeMornay, John Savage, Timothy Bussfield, and a host of character actors from all over the place. Really miss that format And, there's a decent ep of "Enterprise" on now. It was toward the end of the Xindi storyline, where some of the shows were actually not bad at all. After the time travel foolishness (the exploding sphere, then Archer's in a Nazi-occupied NYC???) the show got much better. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy And guess who wanders in with six minutes left in the marathon? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy SyFy is running an "Outer Limits" marathon right now. They're running the eps from the second series from the '90s, not the original black-and-white eps. I will say, I always enjoyed this series. Unlike "Twilight Zone", Outer Limits seemed to me to have a higher quality remake. "Zone" was very hit-and-miss in both its reincarnations, but "Limits" was in the main very enjoyable. Perhaps it's because Limits tended to be more straightforward scifi, where Zone dealt with supernatural as well? Or maybe no one could do it as well as Serling? At any rate, they've shown some good ones so for. The one on now starts with a demonic looking teddy bear pulling a little boy under his bed into limbo. Gotta admit: that little toy with its glowing red eyes was downright creepy! Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
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More than welcome. It was still fresh in my head because Siffy aired that ep late one night, when I couldn't sleep. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 03:58:39 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy okay, thanks for the explanation. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 4:12:12 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy If memory serves, Keith, that trial was because she'd dared to use technology in a post-WWIII world where it had been outlawed. And I'm missing anthology series as well. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 00:00:40 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy Yeah, the clip shows they used to connect completely disparate eps of Outer Limits were an abomination. I remember them trying to connect the ep about the lady who traveled through time to kill future criminals. There's also an older actor, a very slim man who guest starred in a couple of eps. They tried to weave his shows in too. In fact, I completely skipped the series finale, where Charleton Heston and others have some kind of trial. What was up with that? Gosh, i'm really missing anthology shows! I'm getting really nostalgic, thinking about everything from Alfred Hitchcok Presents, to Creepshow, from Friday the 13th to A Touch of Evil, Tales from the Darkside to Amazing Stories. Not all were great shows, but I miss the concept. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 4:47:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy It was good stuff. They did weaken a bit when they tried to string together several of the common story lines using clip shows. (shudder) And I've been trying to watch Enterprise, but I just had a stampede of teenagers through my living room. My synapses were using smoke signals to communicate. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 21:05:42 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy Sorry you missed it. Good shows. You know, I realize how much i miss good scifi anthology series. One problem I have with all the shows on the tube now--good and bad--is that it's the same universe week after week. Shows like Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, etc., created completely new worlds each week, with different subject matter and different actors. Just in the brief marathon I saw today, I got to enjoy Rebecca DeMornay, John Savage, Timothy Bussfield, and a host of character actors from all over the place. Really miss that format And, there's a decent ep of "Enterprise" on now. It was toward the end of the Xindi storyline, where some of the shows were actually not bad at all. After the time travel foolishness (the exploding sphere, then Archer's in a Nazi-occupied NYC???) the show got much better. - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:54:27 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy And guess who wanders in with six minutes left in the marathon? "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:08:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] "Outer Limits" Marathon on SyFy SyFy is running an "Outer Limits" marathon right now. They're running the eps from the second series from the '90s, not the original black-and-white eps. I will say, I always enjoyed this series. Unlike "Twilight Zone", Outer Limits seemed to me to have a higher quality remake. "Zone" was very hit-and-miss in both its reincarnations, but "Limits" was in the main very enjoyable.
