Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech
Pelosi needs to work to have him censured. I emailed him tonight.. I wonder if I will get a response??\ --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 9:37 PM Don't forget that we can hit up the Republican House and Senate leaders as well, and let them know how this is being viewed... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:38:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Daryle, you got through? I tried, every ten minutes, frrom the minute I read this this morn (about 7) until I ahd to walk out the door at 12, and ever since I came back in at 2:30. His House page is *claiming* heavy traffic. I suspect that the boy is just hiding from the multiple cyber-canings he's due. I'm about to try the Representatives in his neighboring districts, telling them to hound him. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: dar...@darylelockha rt.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:21:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Done. Rob Miller, the man running against him for Congress in the 2nd district in South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. Mid 20th Century antics. 21st Century response. On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote: According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ ... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months- -we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here: http://www.huffingt onpost.com/ 2009/09/09/ gop-rep-wilson- yells
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech
Send me the e-maila ddy, please. I still can't get through. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: msles59...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:41:05 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Pelosi needs to work to have him censured. I emailed him tonight.. I wonder if I will get a response??\ --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 9:37 PM Don't forget that we can hit up the Republican House and Senate leaders as well, and let them know how this is being viewed... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:38:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Daryle, you got through? I tried, every ten minutes, frrom the minute I read this this morn (about 7) until I ahd to walk out the door at 12, and ever since I came back in at 2:30. His House page is *claiming* heavy traffic. I suspect that the boy is just hiding from the multiple cyber-canings he's due. I'm about to try the Representatives in his neighboring districts, telling them to hound him. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: dar...@darylelockha rt.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:21:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Done. Rob Miller, the man running against him for Congress in the 2nd district in South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. Mid 20th Century antics. 21st Century response. On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote:According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ ... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months- -we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech
Did you catch Olbermann's Special Comment last night? He suggested the kind of panels we really need... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16270176/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:38:19 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech yeah, they straight out lie, hence Palin yesterday giving another speech about death panels. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:50:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Wouldn't surprise me at all. Today, John Boehner (whom I *so* want to call Bonehead) stepped up to a mike and said that, even though Wilson's conduct was unbecoming, his statement was factually true, flying in the face of the fact that it was a lie. I've noticed that the GOP is pretty good about lining up on its talking/slandering points. Maybe they've made a collective decision to tank their party, through Continuous Mass Stupidity. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:22:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right become so
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech
I've bent their ears. But I ahve a special something I want to give Wilson. Or should I say *Colonel* Wislon, of the SC National Guard? Wonder if he can be brought up for disciplinary action based on his uncivility toward his commanding officer? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:37:38 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Don't forget that we can hit up the Republican House and Senate leaders as well, and let them know how this is being viewed... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:38:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Daryle, you got through? I tried, every ten minutes, frrom the minute I read this this morn (about 7) until I ahd to walk out the door at 12, and ever since I came back in at 2:30. His House page is *claiming* heavy traffic. I suspect that the boy is just hiding from the multiple cyber-canings he's due. I'm about to try the Representatives in his neighboring districts, telling them to hound him. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: dar...@darylelockhart.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:21:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Done. Rob Miller, the man running against him for Congress in the 2nd district in South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. Mid 20th Century antics. 21st Century response. On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote:According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech
(standing ovation) I've talked about the nutjobs who carried guns at the Obama healthcare event awhile back. One of the still-stunning things about that was the sheer number of people who watched that and, knowing that there have been numerous death threats against the President, that it was sheer idiocy to carry guns to such an event, still saw nothing wrong with it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:04:17 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech I am reminded of the history of King Henry II and his battles with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Becket. Frustrated with Becket's resistance to his attempt to gain more control over the Church, Henry was said to have exclaimed one day Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?! (The real history suggests he said something much less dramatically pithy, something along the lines of What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?) Whatever his exact words, Henry's statement was interpreted by several of his knights as a desire to have Becket eliminated, and later, four of them murdered the archbishop most violently, literally cutting off the top of his head with their swords, and scattering his brains along the pavement. As I listen to senators and congressmen, former governors and journalists, parents, teachers, and preachers bewail and bemoan the danger of Obama, I think of that event. We already have people wearing sidearms around Obama, and parents so stupid they believe he's subliminally programming their kids. How much more will it take for some overzealous fool to see and hear in the words and actions of Boehner and others a command to rid them of this President? And who will claim responsibility for creating the climate that led to such a tragic attempt? - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:22:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening
Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech
Don't expect a response, he's too overwhelmed, and now, I guarandamntee you he's working all those fanatics who applaud what he did. Like Palin, Beck, Hannity, Cheney and others, he's now really really working that base of people who hate and fear all things not conservative or white. - Original Message - From: L Freeman msles59...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 2:41:05 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Pelosi needs to work to have him censured. I emailed him tonight.. I wonder if I will get a response??\ --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 9:37 PM Don't forget that we can hit up the Republican House and Senate leaders as well, and let them know how this is being viewed... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:38:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Daryle, you got through? I tried, every ten minutes, frrom the minute I read this this morn (about 7) until I ahd to walk out the door at 12, and ever since I came back in at 2:30. His House page is *claiming* heavy traffic. I suspect that the boy is just hiding from the multiple cyber-canings he's due. I'm about to try the Representatives in his neighboring districts, telling them to hound him. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: dar...@darylelockha rt.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:21:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Done. Rob Miller, the man running against him for Congress in the 2nd district in South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. Mid 20th Century antics. 21st Century response. On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote: According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ ... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months- -we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth
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That frightens me no end. When Cindy Sheehan used to park outside Bush's Crawford ranch and stage protests, the Right was all over her. They said she was nuts, said she was stirring up trouble, often spoke of the dangerous climate she was creating. Yet the silence on people wearing guns near Obama is deafening. I know it's a state's right thing, but shouldn't there be a way to modify laws where people can't carry guns within a certain distance of the President? Or is there already such a provision in state laws that require these nuts to keep their distance? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:50:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech (standing ovation) I've talked about the nutjobs who carried guns at the Obama healthcare event awhile back. One of the still-stunning things about that was the sheer number of people who watched that and, knowing that there have been numerous death threats against the President, that it was sheer idiocy to carry guns to such an event, still saw nothing wrong with it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:04:17 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech I am reminded of the history of King Henry II and his battles with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Becket. Frustrated with Becket's resistance to his attempt to gain more control over the Church, Henry was said to have exclaimed one day Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?! (The real history suggests he said something much less dramatically pithy, something along the lines of What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?) Whatever his exact words, Henry's statement was interpreted by several of his knights as a desire to have Becket eliminated, and later, four of them murdered the archbishop most violently, literally cutting off the top of his head with their swords, and scattering his brains along the pavement. As I listen to senators and congressmen, former governors and journalists, parents, teachers, and preachers bewail and bemoan the danger of Obama, I think of that event. We already have people wearing sidearms around Obama, and parents so stupid they believe he's subliminally programming their kids. How much more will it take for some overzealous fool to see and hear in the words and actions of Boehner and others a command to rid them of this President? And who will claim responsibility for creating the climate that led to such a tragic attempt? - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:22:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down
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Yeah I was online during the speech. I've learned to do this because a republican always does something wacky. And sure enough, You Lie! -- so within 20 minutes, the Congressman's name, picture, and number was on twitter. Once I saw he repped the second district, I looked up his opposition. Picked up. Dialed Addison (Joe)'s office. Said my piece. Hung up. Wrote check. Sent. Turned on TCM. The end. On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Daryle, you got through? I tried, every ten minutes, frrom the minute I read this this morn (about 7) until I ahd to walk out the door at 12, and ever since I came back in at 2:30. His House page is *claiming* heavy traffic. I suspect that the boy is just hiding from the multiple cyber-canings he's due. I'm about to try the Representatives in his neighboring districts, telling them to hound him. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: dar...@darylelockhart.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:21:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Done. Rob Miller, the man running against him for Congress in the 2nd district in South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. Mid 20th Century antics. 21st Century response. On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote: According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months-- we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here: http:// www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells- out_n_281480.html My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise
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awesome! - Original Message - From: Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:10:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Yeah I was online during the speech. I've learned to do this because a republican always does something wacky. And sure enough, You Lie! -- so within 20 minutes, the Congressman's name, picture, and number was on twitter. Once I saw he repped the second district, I looked up his opposition. Picked up. Dialed Addison (Joe)'s office. Said my piece. Hung up. Wrote check. Sent. Turned on TCM. The end. On Sep 10, 2009, at 3:38 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Daryle, you got through? I tried, every ten minutes, frrom the minute I read this this morn (about 7) until I ahd to walk out the door at 12, and ever since I came back in at 2:30. His House page is *claiming* heavy traffic. I suspect that the boy is just hiding from the multiple cyber-canings he's due. I'm about to try the Representatives in his neighboring districts, telling them to hound him. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: dar...@darylelockhart.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:21:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Done. Rob Miller, the man running against him for Congress in the 2nd district in South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. Mid 20th Century antics. 21st Century response. On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote: According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar
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Keith, there might be, but what's a distance limit to a nutjob with military sniper training? (I state that because, aty one of the town hall meetings, some WWII vet stood up and said openly that, in order to stop health care reform, he would pick up a gun and go to D.C. And then he asked for people to accompany him. Thunderous applause... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:07:33 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech That frightens me no end. When Cindy Sheehan used to park outside Bush's Crawford ranch and stage protests, the Right was all over her. They said she was nuts, said she was stirring up trouble, often spoke of the dangerous climate she was creating. Yet the silence on people wearing guns near Obama is deafening. I know it's a state's right thing, but shouldn't there be a way to modify laws where people can't carry guns within a certain distance of the President? Or is there already such a provision in state laws that require these nuts to keep their distance? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:50:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech (standing ovation) I've talked about the nutjobs who carried guns at the Obama healthcare event awhile back. One of the still-stunning things about that was the sheer number of people who watched that and, knowing that there have been numerous death threats against the President, that it was sheer idiocy to carry guns to such an event, still saw nothing wrong with it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:04:17 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech I am reminded of the history of King Henry II and his battles with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Becket. Frustrated with Becket's resistance to his attempt to gain more control over the Church, Henry was said to have exclaimed one day Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?! (The real history suggests he said something much less dramatically pithy, something along the lines of What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?) Whatever his exact words, Henry's statement was interpreted by several of his knights as a desire to have Becket eliminated, and later, four of them murdered the archbishop most violently, literally cutting off the top of his head with their swords, and scattering his brains along the pavement. As I listen to senators and congressmen, former governors and journalists, parents, teachers, and preachers bewail and bemoan the danger of Obama, I think of that event. We already have people wearing sidearms around Obama, and parents so stupid they believe he's subliminally programming their kids. How much more will it take for some overzealous fool to see and hear in the words and actions of Boehner and others a command to rid them of this President? And who will claim responsibility for creating the climate that led to such a tragic attempt? - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:22:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L
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Exactly! I wish the FOI boys could be doing bodyguard work for Obama! - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:43:25 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Yes but you know no one wearing an opposition t-shirt let alone a gun was allowed within a mile of Bush when he was president. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@... wrote: That frightens me no end. When Cindy Sheehan used to park outside Bush's Crawford ranch and stage protests, the Right was all over her. They said she was nuts, said she was stirring up trouble, often spoke of the dangerous climate she was creating. Yet the silence on people wearing guns near Obama is deafening. I know it's a state's right thing, but shouldn't there be a way to modify laws where people can't carry guns within a certain distance of the President? Or is there already such a provision in state laws that require these nuts to keep their distance? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:50:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech (standing ovation) I've talked about the nutjobs who carried guns at the Obama healthcare event awhile back. One of the still-stunning things about that was the sheer number of people who watched that and, knowing that there have been numerous death threats against the President, that it was sheer idiocy to carry guns to such an event, still saw nothing wrong with it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:04:17 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech I am reminded of the history of King Henry II and his battles with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Becket. Frustrated with Becket's resistance to his attempt to gain more control over the Church, Henry was said to have exclaimed one day Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?! (The real history suggests he said something much less dramatically pithy, something along the lines of What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?) Whatever his exact words, Henry's statement was interpreted by several of his knights as a desire to have Becket eliminated, and later, four of them murdered the archbishop most violently, literally cutting off the top of his head with their swords, and scattering his brains along the pavement. As I listen to senators and congressmen, former governors and journalists, parents, teachers, and preachers bewail and bemoan the danger of Obama, I think of that event. We already have people wearing sidearms around Obama, and parents so stupid they believe he's subliminally programming their kids. How much more will it take for some overzealous fool to see and hear in the words and actions of Boehner and others a command to rid them of this President? And who will claim responsibility for creating the climate that led to such a tragic attempt? - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:22:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: KeithBJohnson@ Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe
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my God... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:07:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Keith, there might be, but what's a distance limit to a nutjob with military sniper training? (I state that because, aty one of the town hall meetings, some WWII vet stood up and said openly that, in order to stop health care reform, he would pick up a gun and go to D.C. And then he asked for people to accompany him. Thunderous applause... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:07:33 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech That frightens me no end. When Cindy Sheehan used to park outside Bush's Crawford ranch and stage protests, the Right was all over her. They said she was nuts, said she was stirring up trouble, often spoke of the dangerous climate she was creating. Yet the silence on people wearing guns near Obama is deafening. I know it's a state's right thing, but shouldn't there be a way to modify laws where people can't carry guns within a certain distance of the President? Or is there already such a provision in state laws that require these nuts to keep their distance? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:50:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech (standing ovation) I've talked about the nutjobs who carried guns at the Obama healthcare event awhile back. One of the still-stunning things about that was the sheer number of people who watched that and, knowing that there have been numerous death threats against the President, that it was sheer idiocy to carry guns to such an event, still saw nothing wrong with it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:04:17 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech I am reminded of the history of King Henry II and his battles with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Becket. Frustrated with Becket's resistance to his attempt to gain more control over the Church, Henry was said to have exclaimed one day Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?! (The real history suggests he said something much less dramatically pithy, something along the lines of What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?) Whatever his exact words, Henry's statement was interpreted by several of his knights as a desire to have Becket eliminated, and later, four of them murdered the archbishop most violently, literally cutting off the top of his head with their swords, and scattering his brains along the pavement. As I listen to senators and congressmen, former governors and journalists, parents, teachers, and preachers bewail and bemoan the danger of Obama, I think of that event. We already have people wearing sidearms around Obama, and parents so stupid they believe he's subliminally programming their kids. How much more will it take for some overzealous fool to see and hear in the words and actions of Boehner and others a command to rid them of this President? And who will claim responsibility for creating the climate that led to such a tragic attempt? - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:22:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done
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I know. I was about to eat lunch when I saw that. Lost my appetite. And, while I'm in this thread, a brief snippet which may explain what the heck's wrong with South Cakalakey... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/nation/interactives/southerners_091009/index.html?wpisrc=newsletterwpisrc=newsletter If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 16:20:40 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech my God... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:07:16 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Keith, there might be, but what's a distance limit to a nutjob with military sniper training? (I state that because, aty one of the town hall meetings, some WWII vet stood up and said openly that, in order to stop health care reform, he would pick up a gun and go to D.C. And then he asked for people to accompany him. Thunderous applause... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:07:33 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech That frightens me no end. When Cindy Sheehan used to park outside Bush's Crawford ranch and stage protests, the Right was all over her. They said she was nuts, said she was stirring up trouble, often spoke of the dangerous climate she was creating. Yet the silence on people wearing guns near Obama is deafening. I know it's a state's right thing, but shouldn't there be a way to modify laws where people can't carry guns within a certain distance of the President? Or is there already such a provision in state laws that require these nuts to keep their distance? - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:50:39 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech (standing ovation) I've talked about the nutjobs who carried guns at the Obama healthcare event awhile back. One of the still-stunning things about that was the sheer number of people who watched that and, knowing that there have been numerous death threats against the President, that it was sheer idiocy to carry guns to such an event, still saw nothing wrong with it. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 04:04:17 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech I am reminded of the history of King Henry II and his battles with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Becket. Frustrated with Becket's resistance to his attempt to gain more control over the Church, Henry was said to have exclaimed one day Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?! (The real history suggests he said something much less dramatically pithy, something along the lines of What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?) Whatever his exact words, Henry's statement was interpreted by several of his knights as a desire to have Becket eliminated, and later, four of them murdered the archbishop most violently, literally cutting off the top of his head with their swords, and scattering his brains along the pavement. As I listen to senators and congressmen, former governors and journalists, parents, teachers, and preachers bewail and bemoan the danger of Obama, I think of that event. We already have people wearing sidearms around Obama, and parents so stupid they believe he's subliminally programming their kids. How much more will it take for some overzealous fool to see and hear in the words and actions of Boehner and others a command to rid them of this President? And who will claim responsibility for creating the climate that led to such a tragic attempt? - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
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Daryle, you got through? I tried, every ten minutes, frrom the minute I read this this morn (about 7) until I ahd to walk out the door at 12, and ever since I came back in at 2:30. His House page is *claiming* heavy traffic. I suspect that the boy is just hiding from the multiple cyber-canings he's due. I'm about to try the Representatives in his neighboring districts, telling them to hound him. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: dar...@darylelockhart.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:21:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Done. Rob Miller, the man running against him for Congress in the 2nd district in South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. Mid 20th Century antics. 21st Century response. On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote:According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and symbolized all the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and intolerance that has characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition and completion of Palin, still talking death panels today. This is the result of Glen Beck's
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The problem is that most people haven't read the bill including most of congress. Its huge and would take several days to read it, so if you're in opposition you can use the public's ignorance of it to your own advantage. The ones beating the drum of anti-Obamaism can get away with saying anything at this point. Hopefully sooner than later they will do something so outrageous that it will turn many of their own party away from the madness. This incident came close. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:22 AM, daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and symbolized all the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and intolerance that has characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition and completion of Palin, still talking death panels today. This is the result of Glen Beck's charges of racism and witch hunts against good men. This then, is the depth to which some in America have fallen, and it has got to stop. This is no longer irritating, it's dangerous. In an environment where people wear sidearms around the President and feel empowered to call him a liar to his face, something is very, very wrong--and we have to take a step to stop it. I'm taking a small step tonight. I am trying to e-mail and call Joe Wilson to express my disgust and displeasure at what he's done. I say trying because all communication methods are currently busy. Phone lies busy, website, slow. But I provide the below links and ask you to do the same. And
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Mr Worf, in a remotely sane Cosmos, last night would've closed the deal. Unfortunately, I've seen ample evidence to prove that the sheeple are far less edumacated than in previous years. And I posted earlier that, in lieu of not being able to reach Rep Wilson via his page (according to MSNBC, his *supporters* crashed the site to give him cyber high-fives), I was going to reach out to his fellow congressmen in SC to pass the Bad Word to him. Normally, congressional and senatorial contact pages allow anyone to touch base with any Congressperson (last month, I zapped one to Max Baucus, and I've traded a few with Senator Nelson of Florida). Today, they've all been reformatted, allowing only for people in their state to use them. Closing ranks as they hide... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:41:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech The problem is that most people haven't read the bill including most of congress. Its huge and would take several days to read it, so if you're in opposition you can use the public's ignorance of it to your own advantage. The ones beating the drum of anti-Obamaism can get away with saying anything at this point. Hopefully sooner than later they will do something so outrageous that it will turn many of their own party away from the madness. This incident came close. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:22 AM, daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world
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This behavior doesn't surprise me. Mainly because the media in some parts of the country has a tendency of filtering it to a particular bent. Why wouldn't their politicians do the same? They know that they are wrong for what they are doing. It stops being a discussion as soon as they stop listening to opposing points of view. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.comwrote: Mr Worf, in a remotely sane Cosmos, last night would've closed the deal. Unfortunately, I've seen ample evidence to prove that the sheeple are far less edumacated than in previous years. And I posted earlier that, in lieu of not being able to reach Rep Wilson via his page (according to MSNBC, his *supporters* crashed the site to give him cyber high-fives), I was going to reach out to his fellow congressmen in SC to pass the Bad Word to him. Normally, congressional and senatorial contact pages allow anyone to touch base with any Congressperson (last month, I zapped one to Max Baucus, and I've traded a few with Senator Nelson of Florida). Today, they've all been reformatted, allowing only for people in their state to use them. Closing ranks as they hide... If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik -- To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:41:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech The problem is that most people haven't read the bill including most of congress. Its huge and would take several days to read it, so if you're in opposition you can use the public's ignorance of it to your own advantage. The ones beating the drum of anti-Obamaism can get away with saying anything at this point. Hopefully sooner than later they will do something so outrageous that it will turn many of their own party away from the madness. This incident came close. On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 6:22 AM, daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com wrote: According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here
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I am reminded of the history of King Henry II and his battles with the Archbishop of Canterbury, Thomas Becket. Frustrated with Becket's resistance to his attempt to gain more control over the Church, Henry was said to have exclaimed one day Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?! (The real history suggests he said something much less dramatically pithy, something along the lines of What miserable drones and traitors have I nourished and brought up in my household, who let their lord be treated with such shameful contempt by a low-born cleric?) Whatever his exact words, Henry's statement was interpreted by several of his knights as a desire to have Becket eliminated, and later, four of them murdered the archbishop most violently, literally cutting off the top of his head with their swords, and scattering his brains along the pavement. As I listen to senators and congressmen, former governors and journalists, parents, teachers, and preachers bewail and bemoan the danger of Obama, I think of that event. We already have people wearing sidearms around Obama, and parents so stupid they believe he's subliminally programming their kids. How much more will it take for some overzealous fool to see and hear in the words and actions of Boehner and others a command to rid them of this President? And who will claim responsibility for creating the climate that led to such a tragic attempt? - Original Message - From: daikaiju66 daikaij...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:22:03 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect for our duly elected
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I hear Millers' at over 200 - 300K by now! - Original Message - From: Daryle Lockhart dar...@darylelockhart.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 10:21:32 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Done. Rob Miller, the man running against him for Congress in the 2nd district in South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. Mid 20th Century antics. 21st Century response. On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote: According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and symbolized all the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and intolerance that has characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition and completion of Palin, still talking death panels today. This is the result of Glen Beck's charges of racism and witch hunts against good men. This then, is the depth to which some in America have fallen, and it has got to stop. This is no longer irritating, it's dangerous. In an environment where people wear sidearms around the President and feel empowered to call him a liar to his face, something is very, very wrong--and we have to take a step to stop it. I'm taking a small step tonight. I am trying to e-mail and call Joe Wilson to express my disgust and displeasure at what he's done. I say trying because all communication methods
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Don't forget that we can hit up the Republican House and Senate leaders as well, and let them know how this is being viewed... - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:38:46 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Daryle, you got through? I tried, every ten minutes, frrom the minute I read this this morn (about 7) until I ahd to walk out the door at 12, and ever since I came back in at 2:30. His House page is *claiming* heavy traffic. I suspect that the boy is just hiding from the multiple cyber-canings he's due. I'm about to try the Representatives in his neighboring districts, telling them to hound him. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: dar...@darylelockhart.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:21:32 -0400 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Done. Rob Miller, the man running against him for Congress in the 2nd district in South Carolina in the 2010 race raised $100,000 in 8 hours after the address. Mid 20th Century antics. 21st Century response. On Sep 10, 2009, at 9:22 AM, daikaiju66 wrote: According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is going too far. In one
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yeah, they straight out lie, hence Palin yesterday giving another speech about death panels. - Original Message - From: Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com To: SciFiNoir2 scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:50:48 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Wouldn't surprise me at all. Today, John Boehner (whom I *so* want to call Bonehead) stepped up to a mike and said that, even though Wilson's conduct was unbecoming, his statement was factually true, flying in the face of the fact that it was a lie. I've noticed that the GOP is pretty good about lining up on its talking/slandering points. Maybe they've made a collective decision to tank their party, through Continuous Mass Stupidity. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:22:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech According to some sources he made some veiled statements about disrupting or making a scene during the President's speech on Labor Day. If this is the case he needs to be censured. This stuff definitely needs to end. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: (standing ovation) And, just to beat the band, he was lying himself. Section 246 of the bill clearly states that illegal aliens would NOT be covered under the program in any way. And he apologized afterward, ONLY because of his outburst. He still lies in his insistence that he was right in his words. I will drop him a line the minute I'm done here. And I'll throw in You might want to read the bill.) If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@... Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:17:03 + Subject: [scifinoir2] OT: Congressman Joe Wilson Calls Obama Liar During Speech Folks, I don't usually get into the write this person or call that one thing, but you know sometimes enough is enough. For weeks--months--we've listened to the Right call Obama a terrorist, socialist, and even (thank you Mr. Beck) a racist. He's been labeled Nazi, Christian ministers are praying for his death, and parents lost their minds trying to deny their kids the option to listen to him give a fairly safe, canned Stay in school and study hard speech. (Oddly enough, I didn't see any kiddies roaming around today burning down buildings, quoting Marx, or kissing the Koran). Obama has been subjected to more hatred, lies, and vitriol than i can remember in my life, and it's not just of the political type. We've had guys standing outside buildings where he's located, wearing sidearms, something that chills me to my bones. Small wonder that the Secret Service has given him more protection than any Prez in history. I hear he has four times as many death threats as is normal for a President. And of course, the health care debate has been a prime example of the hatred and lies surrounding him, with charges of death panels, socialism, government takeovers, etc., running rampant. It's been disgusting, it's been infuriating, it's been maddening. But I've tried to stay the course, to wade and cut through the garbage of the Right as I try to search for the truth. I've tried to stay above the stench of it all. But tonight, enough was enough. During Obama's speech, South Carolina representative Joe Wilson clearly yells you lie! at the President's assertion that illegal immigrants won't be covered under his health care plan. View the video and see the picture of him here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/09/gop-rep-wilson-yells-out_n_281480.html My feelings about that aside--my feelings about *any* of the policies being discussed aside--this moment sickened me. Have we come so far, has the Right become so emboldened, that it's okay to call the President a liar on television?? It's okay that an image beamed around the world shows disrespect for our duly elected leader, a man trying to do something to help the dispossessed? Is the office so contemptible now that you don't even respect it, if not the man? I've seen some things during Obama's rise, but this is going too far. In one statement, Wilson has crystalized and symbolized all the ignorance, hatred, disrespect, danger, foolishness, and intolerance that has characterized this debate. This, then, is the fruition and completion of Palin, still talking death panels today. This is the result of Glen
