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Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the geography right) aren't likely to speak. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail". I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term "Where the fu** are the Romans?" is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was a bad imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--"...Blood and Sand" already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand. Torn from his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But not all battles are fought upon the sands. Treachery, corruption, and the allure of sensual pleasures will constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he must become more than a man. More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. Starring Australian actor, Andy Whitfield (McLeod's Daughters) as Spartacus, Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) as Lucretia, John Hannah (The Mummy, Four Weddings and A Funeral) as Batiatus and Peter Mensah (300, The Incredible Hulk) as Doctore, this unique mix of live action, graphic novel effects and brutal battle sequences is set to make "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" an epic television event. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/
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Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the geography right) aren't likely to speak. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail". I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term "Where the fu** are the Romans?" is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was a bad imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--"...Blood and Sand" already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand . Torn from his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But not all battles are fought upon the sands. Treachery, corruption, and the allure of sensual pleasures will constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he must become more than a man. More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. Starring Australian actor, Andy Whitfield ( McLeod's Daughters) as Spartacus, Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) as Lucretia, John Hannah ( The Mummy, Four Weddings and A Funeral) as Batiatus and Peter Mensah (300, The Incredible Hulk) as Doctore, this unique mix of live action, graphic novel effects and brutal battle sequences is set to make "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" an epic television event. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.
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Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a similar word back then. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? > > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly > Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the > geography right) aren't likely to speak. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda > funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of > the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Monty Python > and The Holy Grail". I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and > splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the > back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners > seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut > and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. > Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a > shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' > naked bottoms. :( > Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm > not sure the term "Where the fu** are the Romans?" is accurate for the > times. > Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet > without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. > Anyone else? > > - Original Message - > From: "Keith Johnson" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the > Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and > because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a > battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview > I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was > a bad imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now > recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey > backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like > wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to > expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for > me. And I gotta admit that title--"...Blood and Sand" already had me a bit > leery. > Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is > good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? > *** > > http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus > > Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The > classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the > graphic and visceral new series, *Spartacus: Blood and Sand*. Torn from > his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal > world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But > not all battles are fought upon the sands. Treachery, corruption, and the > allure of sensual pleasures will constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he > must become more than a man. More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. > > > Starring Australian actor, Andy Whitfield (*McLeod's Daughters)* as > Spartacus, Lucy Lawless *(Xena: Warrior Princess)* as Lucretia, John > Hannah (*The Mummy, Four Weddings and A Funeral)* as Batiatus and Peter > Mensah *(300, The Incredible Hulk)* as Doctore, this unique mix of live > action, graphic novel effects and brutal battle sequences is set to make > "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" an epic television event. > > > -- > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it > now.<http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/> > > > > > -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just can't get past such gaffes. I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a young person ask another "How's it going?" Lazy... - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a similar word back then. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > wrote: Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the geography right) aren't likely to speak. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail". I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term "Where the fu** are the Romans?" is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was a bad imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--"...Blood and Sand" already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good?
(standing ovation) "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just can't get past such gaffes. I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a young person ask another "How's it going?" Lazy... - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a similar word back then. On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? - Original Message ----- From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the geography right) aren't likely to speak. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail". I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term "Where the fu** are the Romans?" is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was a bad imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to e
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According to Wikipedia, there is evidence that the word derives, at least in part, from the Latin facere. There's even an attempt to tie in ancient Greek. I'd post the link, but I'm afraid that Tracey might send someone after me... "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:26:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the geography right) aren't likely to speak. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail". I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term "Where the fu** are the Romans?" is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was a bad imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--"...Blood and Sand" already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand. Torn from his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But not all battles are fought upon the sands. Treachery, corruption, and the allure of sensual pleasures will constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he must become more than a man. More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. Starring Australian actor, Andy Whitfield (McLeod's Daughters) as Spartacus, Lucy Lawless (Xena: Warrior Princess) as Lucretia, John Hannah (The Mummy, Four Weddings and A Funeral) as Batiatus and Peter Mensah (300, The Incredible Hulk) as Doctore, this unique mix of live action, graphi
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And you would probably be correct sir! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Martin Baxter Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:02:17 To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? According to Wikipedia, there is evidence that the word derives, at least in part, from the Latin facere. There's even an attempt to tie in ancient Greek. I'd post the link, but I'm afraid that Tracey might send someone after me... "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:26:08 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the geography right) aren't likely to speak. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail". I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term "Where the fu** are the Romans?" is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was a bad imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--"...Blood and Sand" already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacus: Blood and Sand. Torn from his homeland and the woman he loves, Spartacus is condemned to the brutal world of the arena where blood and death are primetime entertainment. But not all battles are fought upon the sands. Treachery, corruption, and the allure of sensual pleasures will constantly test Spartacus. To survive, he must become more than a man. More than a gladiator. He must become a legend. Starring Australian actor, Andy Wh
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"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: jazzynupe_...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 22:03:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? And you would probably be correct sir! Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From: Martin Baxter Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 17:02:17 -0500To: SciFiNoir2Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? According to Wikipedia, there is evidence that the word derives, at least in part, from the Latin facere. There's even an attempt to tie in ancient Greek. I'd post the link, but I'm afraid that Tracey might send someone after me... "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:26:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the geography right) aren't likely to speak. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Monty Python and The Holy Grail". I mean, seriously, the blood is spattering and splatering like red water from a burst balloon. One dude got knocked in the back of the head, and blood sprayed all over it was funny. The showrunners seem to have an almost perverse interest in showing closeups of flesh cut and spread, bodies impaled. Silly, gratuitous, unmoving. Quite a bit of nudity too, including of Lucy Lawless I believe. Bit of a shock that, seeing Xena topless, but much better than seeing the dudes' naked bottoms. :( Also there seems to be quite a bit of anachronistic language. At least, I'm not sure the term "Where the fu** are the Romans?" is accurate for the times. Two showings, and I haven't been able to sit through the whole thing yet without laughing or shaking my head at the whole thing. Anyone else? - Original Message - From: "Keith Johnson" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 11:28:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Anyone watch the debut of this series? It's showing on both one of the Encore and Starz channels. I tried to watch the show, out of curiosity, and because Lucy Lawless is one of the stars. But I came in in the middle of a battle scene that frankly made me laugh and grown. Lawless in an interview I'd seen mentioned the show was modeled in part on "300". But what I saw was a bad imitation of "300": the same not-quite-real backgrounds, the now recognizable fast-slow-fast movements of the soldiers in battle, blue-grey backgrounds whose colors are splashed liberally with the blood flowing like wine in battle. Lots of close ups of decapitations, swords cleaving flesh to expose nasty cuts. it was all a bit too frenetic and artificial looking for me. And I gotta admit that title--"...Blood and Sand" already had me a bit leery. Granted, i didn't see anything but the battle. Maybe the actual acting is good and it's worth a look? Can anyone give a recommendation? *** http://www.starz.com/originals/spartacus Betrayed by the Romans. Forced into slavery. Reborn as a Gladiator. The classic tale of the Republic’s most infamous rebel comes alive in the graphic and visceral new series, Spartacu
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Worf, My thoughts exactly. Really enjoed Rome. Hated that they only did 2 seasons, but it was good tv. Fate. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "Mr Worf" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:07 To: Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: keithbjohn...@... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had > to be a similar word back then. > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly > Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the > geography right) aren't likely to speak. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > From: keithbjohn...@... > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda > funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it remin
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Glad it's not just me... - Original Message - From: "Mr Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:44:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: keithbjohn...@... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a > similar word back then. > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > > To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly > Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the > geography right) aren't likely to speak. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > From: keithbjohn...@... > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at part of it again, the fight scenes really do border on kinda > funny, the "300"-style imitation is so over the top it reminds me more > of the hilariously bloody fight scene with the Black Knight in "Mo
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No, Keith, you're not alone. And no, Mr Worf, I haven't seen "Rome" yet. It's available on DVD through my library, and I'm in the queue to check it out. Maybe by Thanksgiving... "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 04:49:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Glad it's not just me... - Original Message - From: "Mr Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:44:07 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: keithbjohn...@... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had > to be a similar word back then. > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly > Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the > geography right) aren't likely to speak. > > "If all the world's a s
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If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: keithbjohn...@... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had > to be a similar word back then. > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly > Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the > geography right) aren't likely to speak. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > From: keithbjohn...@... > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:37:09 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and
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Rent 300 or watch it on tv. Its not worth a purchase unless you are looking for the extras. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go > out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + > > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > All hail Spartacus! :) > > I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that > shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. > The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when > everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter > makes it laughable. > > Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is > the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. > I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they > were going to make the serious action into gore porn. > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter > wrote: > > > > > > (standing ovation) > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > > > > > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > From: keithbjohn...@... > > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless > it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical > dramas. I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically > as if they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate > words, the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That > always irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a > well-written drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, > then have a young person ask another "How's it going?" > > Lazy... > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mr. Worf" > > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to > be a similar word back then. > > > > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of > Spartacus? > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Martin Baxter" > > > > To: "SciFiNoir2" > > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again with you all the way, Keith. THe c
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All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a > similar word back then. > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Again with you all the way, Keith. THe curse words they're using are mostly > Anglo-Saxon, something that folks who live in Greece (If I've got the > geography right) aren't likely to speak. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the peo
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You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: > > > All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with > slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There > was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there > bodies... > > > "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" > From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie > > --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter * wrote: > > > From: Martin Baxter > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM > > > If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go > out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> > > > > > -- > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > > From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > All hail Spartacus! :) > > I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that > shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. > The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when > everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter > makes it laughable. > > Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is > the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. > I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they > were going to make the serious action into gore porn. > > --- In scifino...@yahoogro > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>, > Martin Baxter wrote: > > > > > > (standing ovation) > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? > > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> > > > > > > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro > > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> > > > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless > it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical > dramas. I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically > as if they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate > words, the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That > always irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a > well-written drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, > then have a young person ask another "How's it going?" > > Lazy... > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Mr. Worf" > > To: scifino...@yahoogro > > ups.com<htt
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I'm actually surprised at how this show's production value. It is a green screen mess... - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:53:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie < astromancer2...@yahoo.com > wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: From: Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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It shows the potential what can be done. We have long entered into a new age of movie production. However except for Sin City and a few others they really haven't used it to its fullest potential. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > I'm actually surprised at how this show's production value. It is a green > screen mess... > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:53:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael > Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept > them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg > chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. > > The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the > use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most > of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: > >> >> >> All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), >> with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." >> There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there >> bodies... >> >> >> "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >> From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie >> >> --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter * wrote: >> >> >> From: Martin Baxter >> >> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? >> To: "SciFiNoir2" >> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM >> >> >> If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to >> go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. >> >> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in >> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> >> http://www.youtube. com/watch? >> v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com >> >> From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com >> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + >> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? >> >> >> All hail Spartacus! :) >> >> I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that >> shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. >> The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when >> everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter >> makes it laughable. >> >> Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus >> is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in >> it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that >> they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. >> >> --- In scifino...@yahoogro >> ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>, >> Martin Baxter wrote: >> > >> > >> > (standing ovation) >> > >> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in >> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> > >> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? >> > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To: scifino...@yahoogro >> > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> >> >> > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... >> > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + >> > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing
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I agree with you, Mr Worf. The toys are there. We just need someone who knows how to play with them properly. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 20:56:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? It shows the potential what can be done. We have long entered into a new age of movie production. However except for Sin City and a few others they really haven't used it to its fullest potential. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: I'm actually surprised at how this show's production value. It is a green screen mess... - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 9:53:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the t
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Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The Ultimate Warrior". "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" -
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I think that they are using one, but after the fights were shot, someone maybe the marketing people told them to do something with the blood. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that > era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The > Ultimate Warrior". > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael > Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept > them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg > chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. > > The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the > use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most > of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: > > > > All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), > with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." > There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there > bodies... > > > "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" > From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie > > --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter * wrote: > > > From: Martin Baxter > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM > > > If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go > out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> > > > > > -- > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > > From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > All hail Spartacus! :) > > I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that > shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. > The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when > everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter > makes it laughable. > > Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is > the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. > I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they > were going to make the serious action into gore porn. > > --- In scifino...@yahoogro > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>, > Martin Baxter wrote: > > > > > > (standing ovation) > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? > > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> > > > > > > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro > > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> > > > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless > it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, &
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More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head lost a pint easy. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a > similar word back then. > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Was the f-word even being used by the Britons during the time of Spartacus? > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:17:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > >
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I watched the end credits last night, trying to get a name, but the type was too small for me to pick out. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:01:50 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? I think that they are using one, but after the fights were shot, someone maybe the marketing people told them to do something with the blood. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The Ultimate Warrior". "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that prob
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p.s., for any FCC trolls in the house -- I've since lost the item in question, and the person who supplied it to me is now a guest of the State of Jawja. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: truthseeker...@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 16:10:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? I... uh, already have obtained it through certain channels. Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/
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They were also playing around with the coloring of it as well. Especially towards the end where it went from red to off red. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head > lost a pint easy. > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), > with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." > There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there > bodies... > > "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" > From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie > > --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter * wrote: > > > From: Martin Baxter > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM > > > If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go > out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> > > > > > -- > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > All hail Spartacus! :) > > I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that > shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. > The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when > everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter > makes it laughable. > > Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is > the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. > I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they > were going to make the serious action into gore porn. > > --- In scifino...@yahoogro > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>, > Martin Baxter wrote: > > > > > > (standing ovation) > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? > > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> > > > > > > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro > > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> > > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless > it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical > dramas. I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically > as if they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate > words, the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That > always irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a > well-written drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, > then have a young person ask another "How's it going?
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Yeah, I noticed that. Thought my TV was off-tune, then remembered that it is barely five months old. And the consistency of the blood was closer to Kool-Aid at times. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:23:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? They were also playing around with the coloring of it as well. Especially towards the end where it went from red to off red. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head lost a pint easy. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06
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Some people believe that if you off color the blood it seems less gory. So people will sit through a hack and slash without getting queasy if the blood isn't red. Others use it for a dramatic effect. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > Yeah, I noticed that. Thought my TV was off-tune, then remembered that it > is barely five months old. And the consistency of the blood was closer to > Kool-Aid at times. > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:23:52 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > They were also playing around with the coloring of it as well. Especially > towards the end where it went from red to off red. > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter > wrote: > > > > More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head > lost a pint easy. > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -------------- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), > with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." > There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there > bodies... > > "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" > From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie > > --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter * wrote: > > > From: Martin Baxter > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM > > > If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go > out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> > > > > > -- > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > All hail Spartacus! :) > > I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that > shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. > The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when > everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter > makes it laughable. > > Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is > the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. > I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they > were going to make the serious action into gore porn. > > --- In scifino...@yahoogro > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>, > Martin Baxter wrote: > > > > > > (standing ovation) > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? > > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> > > > > > > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro > > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> > > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that
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Those I know who find it queasying nonetheless would say that the weakened product doesn't do anything to ease their nausea. As for dramatic effect, I really can't say. The things I've seen in real life makes the movies look weak. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:51:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Some people believe that if you off color the blood it seems less gory. So people will sit through a hack and slash without getting queasy if the blood isn't red. Others use it for a dramatic effect. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Yeah, I noticed that. Thought my TV was off-tune, then remembered that it is barely five months old. And the consistency of the blood was closer to Kool-Aid at times. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:23:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? They were also playing around with the coloring of it as well. Especially towards the end where it went from red to off red. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head lost a pint easy. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic language was intentional a
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It doesn't match the "sprayfu" of the Japanese samurai movies from the early 70s. Almost too neat. The people that decolorized it are copying Hitchcock. The shower scene from Psycho freaked out a lot of people even though you didn't see the knife penetrate or the color of blood. People's minds filled in the rest. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > Those I know who find it queasying nonetheless would say that the weakened > product doesn't do anything to ease their nausea. As for dramatic effect, I > really can't say. The things I've seen in real life makes the movies look > weak. > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:51:03 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > Some people believe that if you off color the blood it seems less gory. > So people will sit through a hack and slash without getting queasy if the > blood isn't red. Others use it for a dramatic effect. > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Martin Baxter > wrote: > > > > Yeah, I noticed that. Thought my TV was off-tune, then remembered that it > is barely five months old. And the consistency of the blood was closer to > Kool-Aid at times. > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:23:52 -0800 > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > They were also playing around with the coloring of it as well. Especially > towards the end where it went from red to off red. > > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter > wrote: > > > > More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head > lost a pint easy. > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), > with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." > There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there > bodies... > > "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" > From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie > > --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter * wrote: > > > From: Martin Baxter > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM > > > If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go > out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> > > > > > -- > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > All hail Spartacus! :) > > I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that > shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. > The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when > everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter > makes it laughable. > > Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is > the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. > I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they > were going to make the serious action into gore
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You mean "the Deadliest Warrior"? Love that show - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:58:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The Ultimate Warrior". "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie < astromancer2...@yahoo.com > wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: From: Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com , Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well
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Is that show responsible for the Pirates vs Ninja battle? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: > > > You mean "the Deadliest Warrior"? Love that show > > > - Original Message - > From: "Martin Baxter" > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:58:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that > era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The > Ultimate Warrior". > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > -------------- > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > From: hellomahog...@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael > Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept > them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg > chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. > > The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the > use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most > of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. > > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: > > > > All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), > with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." > There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there > bodies... > > > "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" > From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie > > --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter * wrote: > > > From: Martin Baxter > > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > To: "SciFiNoir2" > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM > > > If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go > out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> > > > > > -- > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > > From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + > Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > All hail Spartacus! :) > > I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that > shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. > The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when > everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter > makes it laughable. > > Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is > the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. > I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they > were going to make the serious action into gore porn. > > --- In scifino...@yahoogro > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>, > Martin Baxter wrote: > > > > > > (standing ovation) > > > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in > bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? > > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> > > > > > > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro > > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> > > > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
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Yes, Mr Worf, it does. And, Keith, thank you for ironing me out there. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:40:34 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Is that show responsible for the Pirates vs Ninja battle? On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: You mean "the Deadliest Warrior"? Love that show - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:58:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The Ultimate Warrior". "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer
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Whatever, I still wasn't moved by "Spartacus". As for "Psycho", you know what actually garnered as much shocked attention about that movie as the shower scene, maybe even more? The fact that "Psycho" actually had on full display in the bathroom a toilet! Remember that was back in the day when some TV shows and movies still had married couples incongruously sleeping in separate beds, when the word "pregnant" was always replaced by "in the family way", when real life and real life bodily functions simply weren't discussed or shown. Toilets just weren't shown in film or TV at that time, but Hitchcock did it and it caused quite a stir at the time. - Original Message - From: "Mr. Worf" To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:20:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? It doesn't match the "sprayfu" of the Japanese samurai movies from the early 70s. Almost too neat. The people that decolorized it are copying Hitchcock. The shower scene from Psycho freaked out a lot of people even though you didn't see the knife penetrate or the color of blood. People's minds filled in the rest. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Those I know who find it queasying nonetheless would say that the weakened product doesn't do anything to ease their nausea. As for dramatic effect, I really can't say. The things I've seen in real life makes the movies look weak. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:51:03 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Some people believe that if you off color the blood it seems less gory. So people will sit through a hack and slash without getting queasy if the blood isn't red. Others use it for a dramatic effect. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: Yeah, I noticed that. Thought my TV was off-tune, then remembered that it is barely five months old. And the consistency of the blood was closer to Kool-Aid at times. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:23:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? They were also playing around with the coloring of it as well. Especially towards the end where it went from red to off red. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head lost a pint easy. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > wrote: From: Martin Baxter < truthseeker...@hotmail.com > Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" < scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must
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(Groan) "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Keith Johnson wrote: From: Keith Johnson Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 11:19 PM You mean "the Deadliest Warrior"? Love that show - Original Message - From: "Martin Baxter" To: "SciFiNoir2" Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 3:58:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The Ultimate Warrior". "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from mod
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Conclusion...blood and sand are the main characters of the show... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:47 PM Yeah, I noticed that. Thought my TV was off-tune, then remembered that it is barely five months old. And the consistency of the blood was closer to Kool-Aid at times. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:23:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? They were also playing around with the coloring of it as well. Especially towards the end where it went from red to off red. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head lost a pint easy. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me y
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...With a 50% loss on the stab in the back... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:04 PM More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head lost a pint easy. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope... they say that it was invented around the 1100s. But there had to be a > similar word back then. > > > On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 3:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote: >
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...And when do you need to consult someone about (gush!)? "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Mr. Worf wrote: From: Mr. Worf Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:01 PM I think that they are using one, but after the fights were shot, someone maybe the marketing people told them to do something with the blood. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The Ultimate Warrior". "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, &
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What I meant is that they may have had people that assisted them with the fight scenes. It was probably shot for realism, but after the film was shot and edited they added on the EXTRA blood splatter taking it to the 20th level. For example, turning it to 20 when even the bloodiest movies go to 3 or 4. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:18 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: > > > ...And when do you need to consult someone about (gush!)? > > > "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" > From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie > > --- On *Wed, 1/27/10, Mr. Worf * wrote: > > > From: Mr. Worf > > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:01 PM > > > I think that they are using one, but after the fights were shot, someone > maybe the marketing people told them to do something with the blood. > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Martin Baxter hotmail.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: > >> >> >> Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that >> era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The >> Ultimate Warrior". >> >> >> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in >> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> >> http://www.youtube. com/watch? >> v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> To: scifino...@yahoogro >> ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> >> From: HelloMahogany@ >> gmail.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=hellomahog...@gmail.com> >> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 >> >> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? >> >> >>You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like >> Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they >> had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the >> leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. >> >> The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was >> the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for >> most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. >> >> >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie > yahoo.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=astromancer2...@yahoo.com> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), >> with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." >> There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there >> bodies... >> >> >> "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >> From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie >> >> --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter > hotmail.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@hotmail.com> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Martin Baxter > hotmail.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@hotmail.com>> >> >> >> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? >> To: "SciFiNoir2" > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> >> > >> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM >> >> >> If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to >> go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. >> >> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in >> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> >> http://www.youtube. com/watch? >> v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com >> >> From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com >> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + >> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? >> >> >> All hail Spartacus! :) >> >> I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that >> sho
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Why consult when you can (gush!)? "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 2:58 PM Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The Ultimate Warrior". "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1
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Okay, I missed the Michael J. move...But I beg to differ on the use of the green screen...I've noticed SyFy's Sacuary and other like shows have been using g.s. backgrounds since Gemini Division aired...The trend of cheap production to come? "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Mr. Worf wrote: From: Mr. Worf Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:53 PM You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:01:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand"
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I guess that you didn't read the post about them auctioning off the Stargate sets? That is a clear sign that they are moving in that direction. Green screen can open up a lot of flexibility for them though. It just takes money and rendering time to do it. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:41 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: > > > Okay, I missed the Michael J. move...But I beg to differ on the use of the > green screen...I've noticed SyFy's Sacuary and other like shows have been > using g.s. backgrounds since Gemini Division aired...The trend of cheap > production to come? > > "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" > From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie > > --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Mr. Worf * wrote: > > > From: Mr. Worf > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:53 PM > > > You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael > Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept > them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg > chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. > > The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the > use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most > of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. > > On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie yahoo.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=astromancer2...@yahoo.com> > > wrote: > >> >> >> All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), >> with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." >> There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there >> bodies... >> >> >> "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >> From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie >> >> --- On *Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter > hotmail.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@hotmail.com> >> >* wrote: >> >> >> From: Martin Baxter > hotmail.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=truthseeker...@hotmail.com>> >> >> >> Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? >> To: "SciFiNoir2" > ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com> >> > >> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM >> >> >> If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to >> go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. >> >> "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in >> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> >> http://www.youtube. com/watch? >> v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com >> >> From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com >> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + >> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? >> >> >> All hail Spartacus! :) >> >> I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that >> shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. >> The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when >> everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter >> makes it laughable. >> >> Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus >> is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in >> it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that >> they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. >> >> --- In scifino...@yahoogro >> ups.com<http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=scifino...@yahoogroups.com>, >> Martin Baxter wrote: >> > >> > >> > (standing ovation) >> > >> > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in >> bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant >> > >> > http://www.youtube. com/watch? >> > v=fQUxw9aUVik<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > To: scifino...@yahoogro >> > up
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Wouldn't surprise me at all, pal. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:41:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Okay, I missed the Michael J. move...But I beg to differ on the use of the green screen...I've noticed SyFy's Sacuary and other like shows have been using g.s. backgrounds since Gemini Division aired...The trend of cheap production to come? "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Mr. Worf wrote: From: Mr. Worf Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:53 PM You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always irritates m
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I've never seen any catalog quotes on the prices of the two, but I daresay that gushing is less expensive. ;-) "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:32:37 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Why consult when you can (gush!)? "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 2:58 PM Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The Ultimate Warrior". "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious dram
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I was about to question the "sand" part of that, but remembered that I somehow managed to pass on the new ep yesterday. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:55:44 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Conclusion...blood and sand are the main characters of the show... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:47 PM Yeah, I noticed that. Thought my TV was off-tune, then remembered that it is barely five months old. And the consistency of the blood was closer to Kool-Aid at times. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:23:52 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? They were also playing around with the coloring of it as well. Especially towards the end where it went from red to off red. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:04 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head lost a pint easy. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said &quo
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Nothing but truth there. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 17:14:42 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? ...With a 50% loss on the stab in the back... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:04 PM More blood indeed... the guy who took that shot to the back of the head lost a pint easy. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:22:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in historical dramas. > I see a lot of them where the characters are speaking idiomatically as if > they're from modern American. Even if they use the time-appropriate words, > the way those words are structured into phrases is just off. That always > irritates me. For example, don't tell me you're giving me a well-written > drama that takes place in, say, a Puritan village in the 1700s, then have a > young person ask another "How's it going?" > Lazy... > > - Original Message - > From: "Mr. Worf" > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010
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Let's see...Hundreds of thousands of dollars on props or a big green sheet and a graphics geek...do the math... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Saturday, January 30, 2010, 2:38 PM Wouldn't surprise me at all, pal. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:41:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? Okay, I missed the Michael J. move...But I beg to differ on the use of the green screen...I've noticed SyFy's Sacuary and other like shows have been using g.s. backgrounds since Gemini Division aired...The trend of cheap production to come? "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Mr. Worf wrote: From: Mr. Worf Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:53 PM You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying
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Still cheaper...Wow, that's gonna put a crimp in the fan auctions setup... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Mr. Worf wrote: From: Mr. Worf Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 10:12 PM I guess that you didn't read the post about them auctioning off the Stargate sets? That is a clear sign that they are moving in that direction. Green screen can open up a lot of flexibility for them though. It just takes money and rendering time to do it. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 6:41 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: Okay, I missed the Michael J. move...But I beg to differ on the use of the green screen...I've noticed SyFy's Sacuary and other like shows have been using g.s. backgrounds since Gemini Division aired...The trend of cheap production to come? "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Mr. Worf wrote: From: Mr. Worf Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:53 PM You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely, I just have an issue with lazy writing on that level unless it's > intentional. In "Hercules" and "Xena", for example, the anachronistic > language was intentional and sometimes funny. The god Apollo, for example, > was portrayed as a magical surfer type, who even said "Dude". But > "Spartacus", from what i can tell, is trying to be serious drama, so I just > can't get past such gaffes. > I've noticed more and more in recent years that problem in hi
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True...Maybe they were just trying to keep the graphic novel them going...(Boy, did I sound thick...) "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Mr. Worf wrote: From: Mr. Worf Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, January 29, 2010, 7:28 PM What I meant is that they may have had people that assisted them with the fight scenes. It was probably shot for realism, but after the film was shot and edited they added on the EXTRA blood splatter taking it to the 20th level. For example, turning it to 20 when even the bloodiest movies go to 3 or 4. On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 5:18 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: ...And when do you need to consult someone about (gush!)? "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Mr. Worf wrote: From: Mr. Worf Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:01 PM I think that they are using one, but after the fights were shot, someone maybe the marketing people told them to do something with the blood. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 12:58 PM, Martin Baxter wrote: Whatever happened to "consultants" who know what actual combat from that era looks like? We know they're out there, because they were all on "The Ultimate Warrior". "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:53:15 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? You forgot swing thrust kick slice and the ever popular jump like Michael Jordan kill move. The arena scene would have been awesome if they had kept them at speed because the effects were very realistic. (like the leg chopping) Stopping the action to do the blood gushing was just silly. The other thing that I thought was interesting about the production was the use of green screen. This may be one of the few shows that use it for most of the shots. The rest looked like shots from the Paramount lot. On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 6:22 PM, C.W. Badie wrote: All I got out of it was 'swing, thrust, (gush!), slice, block (gush!), with slow motion on the (gush!) part...That is barely one aspect of "300." There was a bit of a hint that people of that age had more blood in there bodies... "Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet" >From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Martin Baxter wrote: From: Martin Baxter Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? To: "SciFiNoir2" Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 2:33 PM If that's all the show will ever be, then it would be more economical to go out and buy "300" than to subscribe to Showtime. "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: HelloMahogany@ gmail.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:44:00 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? All hail Spartacus! :) I just watched the first episode and I have to say that the director that shot this must have had 300 on infinite replay when they were making this. The fight scenes although realistic looking in action turn to cartoons when everything is slowed down to allow the special effect blood to splatter makes it laughable. Has anyone watched the series called Rome? Spartacus ain't it. Spartacus is the dumbed down blood and guts version for teen boys that has nudity in it. I don't think that when they shot this series that the actor knew that they were going to make the serious action into gore porn. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter wrote: > > > (standing ovation) > > "If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody > hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant > > http://www.youtube. com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik > > > > > To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com > From: KeithBJohnson@ ... > Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:09:14 + > Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: "Spartacus: Blood and Sand" - Any good? > > > > > > > > > > &
