RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Martin Baxter]

"Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer..."

Okay, okay... I'll watch it. Didn't have to twist my arm. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:04:14 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish


















 



  



  
  
  I've seen Swordfish many times.  It is not good but it has charms.  For 
me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than 
either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's 
assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged 
detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, 
IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. 



~rave!  



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole  
wrote:

>

> I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched 
> Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep 
> thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth 
> the effort.

> 

> I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because 
> they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't 
> (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the 
> DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just 
> being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 

> 

> What do you think?

>  

> Grayson Reyes-Cole 

> http://www.graysonreyescole.com 

> Facebook

> Bright Star 

> The Builder

> The Prescription Playboy

>







 









  
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Tracey de Morsella]

I didn't love it, but enjoyed it.  I don't even remember the Halle Berry tit
scene. But Rave really captures my feelings about the movies in his last two
lines.  Travolta is always fun to watch- even in bad movies.  The action is
good.  I enjoyed Cheadle, Jackson and Berry in their roles.  

-Original Message-
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelwyn
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:04 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

I've seen Swordfish many times.  It is not good but it has charms.  For me,
Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than
either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's
assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged
detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and,
IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. 

~rave!  

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole
 wrote:
>
> I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just
watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I
keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was
worth the effort.
> 
> I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just
because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I
don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he
cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses
up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 
> 
> What do you think?
>  
> Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> http://www.graysonreyescole.com 
> Facebook
> Bright Star 
> The Builder
> The Prescription Playboy
>






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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Mr. Worf]

The only reason I watched the movie was for Halle's breasts.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Grayson wrote:

> The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman,
> and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in
> The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or
> not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie
> Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad.
>
> Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no
> desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on
> this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners.
>
> Grayson
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
> >
> > I've seen Swordfish many times.  It is not good but it has charms.  For
> me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than
> either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's
> assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged
> detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and,
> IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch.
> >
> > ~rave!
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole
>  wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just
> watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I
> keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was
> worth the effort.
> > >
> > > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just
> because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I
> don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he
> cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses
> up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head).
> > >
> > > What do you think?
> > >
> > > Grayson Reyes-Cole
> > > http://www.graysonreyescole.com
> > > Facebook
> > > Bright Star
> > > The Builder
> > > The Prescription Playboy
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Martin Baxter]

Grayson, I'll say this.

You are BLESSED to have missed that. Unless you're a fan of bad porn, because 
that was its only attraction. Paid five bucks to rent the video, and slept 
through everything except that (only because the noise woke me). 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: grayson.reyesc...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:57:37 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish


















 



  



  
  
  The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, 
and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The 
Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or not--was 
as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie Jones who I 
always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad.



Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no desire 
to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on this list 
as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners.



Grayson



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:

>

> I've seen Swordfish many times.  It is not good but it has charms.  For me, 
> Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either 
> her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, 
> "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I 
> like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John 
> Travolta is always fun to watch. 

> 

> ~rave!  

> 

> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole  
> wrote:

> >

> > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched 
> > Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep 
> > thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth 
> > the effort.

> > 

> > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because 
> > they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't 
> > (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked 
> > the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to 
> > just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 

> > 

> > What do you think?

> >  

> > Grayson Reyes-Cole 

> > http://www.graysonreyescole.com 

> > Facebook

> > Bright Star 

> > The Builder

> > The Prescription Playboy

> >

>







 









  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Keith Johnson]

Dude, it ain't worth it for that. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:41:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 






"Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer..." 

Okay, okay... I'll watch it. Didn't have to twist my arm. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: ravena...@yahoo.com 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:04:14 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 




I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, 
Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either 
her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, 
"Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I 
like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John 
Travolta is always fun to watch. 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole  
wrote: 
> 
> I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched 
> Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep 
> thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth 
> the effort. 
> 
> I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because 
> they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't 
> (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the 
> DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just 
> being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 
> 
> What do you think? 
> 
> Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> http://www.graysonreyescole.com 
> Facebook 
> Bright Star 
> The Builder 
> The Prescription Playboy 
> 





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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Keith Johnson]

I didn't like Monster's Ball for lots of reasons. As a black man, i had no 
desire to see a movie in which one black man is on death row, a young black boy 
is verbally abused and encounters major horrors, and white bigots get to have 
sex with black women. I felt the sex scene with Berry and Thornton--which she 
found her courage to do by exposing her top in "Swordfish"--was unnecessarily 
graphic, and disturbed me in profound ways: massah getting it on with the slave 
gal. 
I frankly felt it was a movie only a white guy could have written. Yeah, i know 
Lee Daniels was part of the crew, but he's got his own issues, such as his skin 
color prejudice. I felt Monster's Ball was an update on white male fantasies 
that have dogged us since slavery: white man eliminates black man, abuses black 
woman, but somehow there's something "good" to be found in their relationship. 
Right: give me more movies with black men and black women making it *together* 
in the world. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Grayson"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:57:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 






The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and 
Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The 
Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or not--was 
as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie Jones who I 
always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. 

Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no desire 
to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on this list 
as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. 

Grayson 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Kelwyn"  wrote: 
> 
> I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, 
> Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either 
> her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, 
> "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I 
> like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John 
> Travolta is always fun to watch. 
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole  
> wrote: 
> > 
> > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched 
> > Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep 
> > thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth 
> > the effort. 
> > 
> > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because 
> > they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't 
> > (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked 
> > the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to 
> > just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 
> > 
> > What do you think? 
> > 
> > Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> > http://www.graysonreyescole.com 
> > Facebook 
> > Bright Star 
> > The Builder 
> > The Prescription Playboy 
> > 
> 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Keith Johnson]

I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen enough 
of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it again. 
And unlike "Precious"--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter reality of 
black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one that's as 
universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw black women 
hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era movies where that 
very thing happened. 

I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the 
tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out 
there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i 
said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's sensibilities. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 






I think "Monster's Ball" should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this 
would include the heavily lauded "Precious" and the little appreciated 
"Shadowboxer." In fact, "Precious" actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's 
Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble 
casting and performance 

Likewise, I think "Titantic" should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. 
I recently re-saw "The Abyss" and it confirmed my opinion that even when 
Cameron is "bad," he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at 
well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Grayson"  wrote: 
> 
> The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and 
> Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The 
> Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or 
> not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie 
> Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. 
> 
> Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no 
> desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on 
> this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. 
> 
> Grayson 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Kelwyn"  wrote: 
> > 
> > I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, 
> > Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than 
> > either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's 
> > assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged 
> > detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, 
> > IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. 
> > 
> > ~rave! 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole  
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just 
> > > watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I 
> > > keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was 
> > > worth the effort. 
> > > 
> > > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just 
> > > because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority 
> > > because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining 
> > > how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then 
> > > he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 
> > > 
> > > What do you think? 
> > > 
> > > Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> > > http://www.graysonreyescole.com 
> > > Facebook 
> > > Bright Star 
> > > The Builder 
> > > The Prescription Playboy 
> > > 
> > 
> 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Mr. Worf]

I have to agree with you on that. He is the king of hyped movies.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:10 PM, Kelwyn  wrote:

> I think "Monster's Ball" should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre,
> this would include the heavily lauded "Precious" and the little appreciated
> "Shadowboxer."  In fact, "Precious" actually deepens my appreciation of
> Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both
> ensemble casting and performance
>
> Likewise, I think "Titantic" should be seen as part of James Cameron's
> oeuvre.  I recently re-saw "The Abyss" and it confirmed my opinion that even
> when Cameron is "bad," he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better
> at well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Grayson" 
> wrote:
> >
> > The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman,
> and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in
> The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or
> not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie
> Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad.
> >
> > Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no
> desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on
> this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners.
> >
> > Grayson
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I've seen Swordfish many times.  It is not good but it has charms.  For
> me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than
> either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's
> assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged
> detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and,
> IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch.
> > >
> > > ~rave!
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole
>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just
> watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I
> keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was
> worth the effort.
> > > >
> > > > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just
> because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I
> don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he
> cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses
> up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head).
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > Grayson Reyes-Cole
> > > > http://www.graysonreyescole.com
> > > > Facebook
> > > > Bright Star
> > > > The Builder
> > > > The Prescription Playboy
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Mr. Worf]

Actually, black women hooking up with rednecks happens a lot more than you
might think. There are various reasons for it that I am still analyzing.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen
> enough of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it
> again. And unlike "Precious"--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter
> reality of black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one
> that's as universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw
> black women hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era
> movies where that very thing happened.
>
> I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the
> tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out
> there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i
> said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's
> sensibilities.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelwyn" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
>
>
>
> I think "Monster's Ball" should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre,
> this would include the heavily lauded "Precious" and the little appreciated
> "Shadowboxer." In fact, "Precious" actually deepens my appreciation of
> Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both
> ensemble casting and performance
>
> Likewise, I think "Titantic" should be seen as part of James Cameron's
> oeuvre. I recently re-saw "The Abyss" and it confirmed my opinion that even
> when Cameron is "bad," he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better
> at well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Grayson"  wrote:
> >
> > The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman,
> and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in
> The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or
> not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie
> Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad.
> >
> > Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no
> desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on
> this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners.
> >
> > Grayson
> >
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ,
> "Kelwyn"  wrote:
> > >
> > > I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For
> me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than
> either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's
> assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged
> detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and,
> IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch.
> > >
> > > ~rave!
> > >
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ,
> Grayson Reyes-Cole  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just
> watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I
> keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was
> worth the effort.
> > > >
> > > > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just
> because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I
> don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he
> cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses
> up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head).
> > > >
> > > > What do you think?
> > > >
> > > > Grayson Reyes-Cole
> > > > http://www.graysonreyescole.com
> > > > Facebook
> > > > Bright Star
> > > > The Builder
> > > > The Prescription Playboy
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> 
>



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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Keith Johnson]

Trust me, I'm from Texas and live in Georgia. I know it's a reality of life. 
What I'm saying, though, is it's not the greatest reality of black life. And, 
Hollywood is still in 2010 criminally negligent when it goes to showing healthy 
black male/female couples. It's not that the story is fiction, per se, it's 
just something I've see way too many times from a movie industry that loves 
putting white men with black women, but feels as if two black people onscreen 
is something to be avoided. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:39:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 






Actually, black women hooking up with rednecks happens a lot more than you 
might think. There are various reasons for it that I am still analyzing. 


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen enough 
of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it again. 
And unlike "Precious"--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter reality of 
black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one that's as 
universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw black women 
hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era movies where that 
very thing happened. 

I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the 
tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out 
there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i 
said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's sensibilities. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 







I think "Monster's Ball" should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this 
would include the heavily lauded "Precious" and the little appreciated 
"Shadowboxer." In fact, "Precious" actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's 
Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble 
casting and performance 

Likewise, I think "Titantic" should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. 
I recently re-saw "The Abyss" and it confirmed my opinion that even when 
Cameron is "bad," he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at 
well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. 

~rave! 


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Grayson"  wrote: 
> 
> The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and 
> Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The 
> Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or 
> not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie 
> Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. 
> 
> Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no 
> desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on 
> this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. 
> 
> Grayson 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Kelwyn"  wrote: 
> > 
> > I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, 
> > Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than 
> > either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's 
> > assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged 
> > detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, 
> > IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. 
> > 
> > ~rave! 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole  
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just 
> > > watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I 
> > > keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was 
> > > worth the effort. 
> > > 
> > > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just 
> > > because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority 
> > > because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining 
> > > how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then 
> > > he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 
> > > 
> > > What do you think? 
> > > 
> > > Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> > > http://www.graysonreyescole.com 
> > > Facebook 
> > > Bright Star 
> > > The Builder 
> > > The Prescription Playboy 
> > > 
> > 
> 








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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Keith Johnson]

'Tis true, my man. And if we lived in a world where we got more positive big 
screen releases showing black men and women helping each other, it'd not 
irritate me as much. Even in 2010 with all the crossing of ethnic lines for 
marriage, with more people than ever marrying people of other colors, the 
average black person in America still marries another black person--even with 
NBA players' predilections :) 
We have a real problem in America with image and perception when it comes to 
the black family. That's why so many people were so insanely happy to see the 
Obama's ascend to the White House. I'm not accusing the movie of being 
unrealistic, just of focusing on something that, while real, isn't as important 
as black men and women helping each other--IMHO. 

I couldn't recall any discussion on this film in this group back when it came 
out. Then I realized, I never saw it in theatres because I didn't want to 
support it. More importantly, it came out less than two month's after my father 
died, and I was barely checking e-mail for a long time, let alone contributing 
any. Sorry to beat that deceased equine again! 

- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:39:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 






The merits of "Monster's Ball" have been argued ad nauseum in this space. It is 
a movie that pushes buttons. I am of the minority that believes it is high brow 
exploration of race and class (Berry, Thornton, Heath Ledger and Mos Def do 
good work in this film). The majority dismisses it as trash. The debate, like 
the beat, goes on. 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Keith Johnson  wrote: 
> 
> I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen 
> enough of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it 
> again. And unlike "Precious"--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter 
> reality of black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one 
> that's as universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw 
> black women hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era 
> movies where that very thing happened. 
> 
> I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the 
> tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out 
> there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i 
> said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's 
> sensibilities. 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelwyn"  
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think "Monster's Ball" should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this 
> would include the heavily lauded "Precious" and the little appreciated 
> "Shadowboxer." In fact, "Precious" actually deepens my appreciation of 
> Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both 
> ensemble casting and performance 
> 
> Likewise, I think "Titantic" should be seen as part of James Cameron's 
> oeuvre. I recently re-saw "The Abyss" and it confirmed my opinion that even 
> when Cameron is "bad," he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at 
> well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. 
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Grayson"  wrote: 
> > 
> > The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, 
> > and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in 
> > The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or 
> > not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for 
> > Vinnie Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. 
> > 
> > Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no 
> > desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on 
> > this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. 
> > 
> > Grayson 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Kelwyn"  wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, 
> > > Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than 
> > > either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's 
> > > assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged 
> > > detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus 
> > > and, IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. 
> > > 
> > > ~rave! 
> > > 
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> > >  wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just 
> > > > watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) 
> > > > I keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neith

RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Aubrey Leatherwood]

Just weighing in on Mr Worf's to say that sure black women hook up with 
rednecks, but why does it take that much analyzing? The disrespect many black 
men show women is no different in my opinion than some racist redneck, if 
you've accepted that men are going to treat you like trash... what's the 
difference? I'm not saying this is always the reason, but I've lived in the 
South my whole life and it's one reality I see.

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
FaceBook * MySpace 
Dime 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Keith Johnson]

Okay, I'll bite: Why do you avoid "Titanic"? 
What other popular films have you actively avoided (rather than, just not 
having gotten around to seeing?) 
And what's this about Cameron treating fans badly? 

- Original Message - 
From: "Grayson"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:45:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 






Yeah, I'm sorry Rave, but I can't do it. No Titanic and no Monster's Ball 
regardless of who's oevre it is. I don't typically watch movies that don't 
speak to me regardless of their importance or high regard. It's possible I miss 
out on some things, but I'm comfortable with that. I remind myself that the 
world of known art is so large I cannot possibly consume everything and there 
is something in the world right at this very moment I would love if I were 
exposed to it, but I will never know about. OK, random tangent over. 

On another note, I am a James Cameron fan even if he's vicious to fans in 
airports. The Abyss is one of my all time favorite movies despite the very, 
very end which for me was a let down. 

Grayson 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Kelwyn"  wrote: 
> 
> I think "Monster's Ball" should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this 
> would include the heavily lauded "Precious" and the little appreciated 
> "Shadowboxer." In fact, "Precious" actually deepens my appreciation of 
> Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both 
> ensemble casting and performance 
> 
> Likewise, I think "Titantic" should be seen as part of James Cameron's 
> oeuvre. I recently re-saw "The Abyss" and it confirmed my opinion that even 
> when Cameron is "bad," he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at 
> well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. 
> 
> ~rave! 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Grayson"  wrote: 
> > 
> > The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, 
> > and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in 
> > The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or 
> > not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for 
> > Vinnie Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. 
> > 
> > Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no 
> > desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on 
> > this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. 
> > 
> > Grayson 
> > 
> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Kelwyn"  wrote: 
> > > 
> > > I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, 
> > > Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than 
> > > either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's 
> > > assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged 
> > > detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus 
> > > and, IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. 
> > > 
> > > ~rave! 
> > > 
> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> > >  wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just 
> > > > watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) 
> > > > I keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason 
> > > > was worth the effort. 
> > > > 
> > > > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just 
> > > > because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority 
> > > > because I don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is 
> > > > explaining how he cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his 
> > > > explanations, then he fesses up to just being au naturel and seeing the 
> > > > code in his head). 
> > > > 
> > > > What do you think? 
> > > > 
> > > > Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> > > > http://www.graysonreyescole.com 
> > > > Facebook 
> > > > Bright Star 
> > > > The Builder 
> > > > The Prescription Playboy 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > 
> 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Keith Johnson]

Good question, but I live in the South too, and I can't honestly say I've seen 
such a huge number of black women hook up with dudes who might as well be in 
the Klan. I think the level of racism in Thornton and his dad in the movie is 
one of my problems: most black women would have bolted. Do I know some who 
wouldn't? Sure, but like I said, that particular segment of society--black 
women who date virulently racist white men--isn't the largest part of black 
culture. I'm more concerned about showing the struggles of black men and women 
trying to make it together, as that's still the greater part of black society. 

As for whether it's worse for a black woman to hook up with a racist or a 
disrespectful brother? Hmmm...can't say I've ever done a comparison of that. 
Speaking as a black man, whatever other problems I might have with the opposite 
sex, i wouldn't want to be bringing racism into the mix. I'd *never* hook up 
with a white woman who thought my people were inferior even in the smallest 
part. It's pretty darn hard to purge one's psyche of deep-seated racism. I've 
known many black men and women who've gotten with whites who are prejudiced, 
and it turns my stomach. Even when they "love" the black people, they feel that 
have a free pass to make little racist jokes, call their loved one the n-word 
(happened in front of me once, I almost lost it). And often, their families can 
be even worse. I have a friend right now who's dating someone from the Deep 
South, and that person feels comfortable making all kinds of negative comments 
about black people. That person's family is straight-out bigoted, and don't get 
the "mixing". All other things being equal, whatever other problems you might 
have with a significant other or their family, it'd be nice to take racism off 
the list. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Aubrey Leatherwood"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:15:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 






Just weighing in on Mr Worf's to say that sure black women hook up with 
rednecks, but why does it take that much analyzing? The disrespect many black 
men show women is no different in my opinion than some racist redneck, if 
you've accepted that men are going to treat you like trash... what's the 
difference? I'm not saying this is always the reason, but I've lived in the 
South my whole life and it's one reality I see. 

Aubrey Leatherwood 
www.aubreyleatherwood.com 
FaceBook * MySpace 
Dime 
Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? 
Imperfection 
A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. 
The People You Know, The Sex They Have 
ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 
CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 
ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 






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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Mr. Worf]

Its more like white men with any woman of any race. Even aliens! It is a
luxury of being in power. They allow themselves too many liberties without
much basis rooted in reality.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Keith Johnson wrote:

>
>
> Trust me, I'm from Texas and live in Georgia. I know it's a reality of
> life. What I'm saying, though, is it's not the greatest reality of black
> life. And, Hollywood is still in 2010 criminally negligent when it goes to
> showing healthy black male/female couples. It's not that the story is
> fiction, per se, it's just something I've see way too many times from a
> movie industry that loves putting white men with black women, but feels as
> if two black people onscreen is something to be avoided.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mr. Worf" 
> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:39:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
>
>
>
> Actually, black women hooking up with rednecks happens a lot more than you
> might think. There are various reasons for it that I am still analyzing.
>
> On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen
>> enough of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it
>> again. And unlike "Precious"--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter
>> reality of black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one
>> that's as universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw
>> black women hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era
>> movies where that very thing happened.
>>
>> I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate
>> the tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are
>> out there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me.
>> Like i said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's
>> sensibilities.
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Kelwyn" 
>> To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
>>
>>
>>
>> I think "Monster's Ball" should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre,
>> this would include the heavily lauded "Precious" and the little appreciated
>> "Shadowboxer." In fact, "Precious" actually deepens my appreciation of
>> Halle's Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both
>> ensemble casting and performance
>>
>> Likewise, I think "Titantic" should be seen as part of James Cameron's
>> oeuvre. I recently re-saw "The Abyss" and it confirmed my opinion that even
>> when Cameron is "bad," he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better
>> at well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron.
>>
>> ~rave!
>>
>> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ,
>> "Grayson"  wrote:
>> >
>> > The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman,
>> and Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in
>> The Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or
>> not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie
>> Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad.
>> >
>> > Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no
>> desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on
>> this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners.
>> >
>> > Grayson
>> >
>> > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ,
>> "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For
>> me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than
>> either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's
>> assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged
>> detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and,
>> IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch.
>> > >
>> > > ~rave!
>> > >
>> > > --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com ,
>> Grayson Reyes-Cole  wrote:
>> > &

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Keith Johnson]

Agreed. I think that's why the whole Avatar angle of not just a human man, but 
a white human man, getting with an alien woman bothers some people. I have to 
see the movie to see if it bothers me. But that goes back to the FUBU concept 
for movies: i can't expect a white guy like Cameron to always think "hey, I've 
got to put a black man in the lead role", when he already feels he's sending 
forth some positive messages about the environment, exploitation of indigenous 
species, etc. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:06:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 






Its more like white men with any woman of any race. Even aliens! It is a luxury 
of being in power. They allow themselves too many liberties without much basis 
rooted in reality. 


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






Trust me, I'm from Texas and live in Georgia. I know it's a reality of life. 
What I'm saying, though, is it's not the greatest reality of black life. And, 
Hollywood is still in 2010 criminally negligent when it goes to showing healthy 
black male/female couples. It's not that the story is fiction, per se, it's 
just something I've see way too many times from a movie industry that loves 
putting white men with black women, but feels as if two black people onscreen 
is something to be avoided. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:39:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 









Actually, black women hooking up with rednecks happens a lot more than you 
might think. There are various reasons for it that I am still analyzing. 


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 






I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen enough 
of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it again. 
And unlike "Precious"--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter reality of 
black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one that's as 
universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw black women 
hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era movies where that 
very thing happened. 

I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the 
tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out 
there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i 
said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's sensibilities. 


- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 







I think "Monster's Ball" should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this 
would include the heavily lauded "Precious" and the little appreciated 
"Shadowboxer." In fact, "Precious" actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's 
Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble 
casting and performance 

Likewise, I think "Titantic" should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. 
I recently re-saw "The Abyss" and it confirmed my opinion that even when 
Cameron is "bad," he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at 
well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. 

~rave! 


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Grayson"  wrote: 
> 
> The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and 
> Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The 
> Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or 
> not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie 
> Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad. 
> 
> Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no 
> desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on 
> this list as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners. 
> 
> Grayson 
> 
> --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Kelwyn"  wrote: 
> > 
> > I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, 
> > Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than 
> > either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's 
> > assets, "Monster's Ball&qu

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Mr. Worf]

I'm analyzing it for the deeper psycho/sexual reasons behind it. What is the
attraction there? For example, why are some women turned on by the idea of
having a relationship with someone that despises their race? There are yahoo
groups that are focused on role play of this type that amplifies the racism
aspect and black women join the group at the rate of 1 or 2 a week.

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:15 PM, Aubrey Leatherwood <
aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Just weighing in on Mr Worf's to say that sure black women hook up with
> rednecks, but why does it take that much analyzing? The disrespect many
> black men show women is no different in my opinion than some racist redneck,
> if you've accepted that men are going to treat you like trash... what's the
> difference? I'm not saying this is always the reason, but I've lived in the
> South my whole life and it's one reality I see.
>
> *Aubrey Leatherwood
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> Have*
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Tracey de Morsella]

You guys have not read some of the cut out scenes.  In one, the native guy that 
was originally the heroes adversary, has is tail cut off by the big bad marine 
villain guy.  That means he cannot longer connect to the world or have real sex 
– so in essence--- his dick was cut off.  He asks the hero to become leader of 
the tribe and also to kill him

 

From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:12 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

 






Agreed. I think that's why the whole Avatar angle of not just a human man, but 
a white human man, getting with an alien woman bothers some people. I have to 
see the movie to see if it bothers me. But that goes back to the FUBU concept 
for movies: i can't expect a white guy like Cameron to always think "hey, I've 
got to put a black man in the lead role", when he already feels he's sending 
forth some positive messages about the environment, exploitation of indigenous 
species, etc.

- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:06:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

  

Its more like white men with any woman of any race. Even aliens! It is a luxury 
of being in power. They allow themselves too many liberties without much basis 
rooted in reality. 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:

 

Trust me, I'm from Texas and live in Georgia. I know it's a reality of life. 
What I'm saying, though, is it's not the greatest reality of black life. And, 
Hollywood is still in 2010 criminally negligent when it goes to showing healthy 
black male/female couples. It's not that the story is fiction, per se, it's 
just something I've see way too many times from a movie industry that loves 
putting white men with black women, but feels as if two black people onscreen 
is something to be avoided.



- Original Message -
From: "Mr. Worf" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:39:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

  

Actually, black women hooking up with rednecks happens a lot more than you 
might think. There are various reasons for it that I am still analyzing. 

On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Johnson  
wrote:

 

I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen enough 
of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it again. 
And unlike "Precious"--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter reality of 
black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one that's as 
universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw black women 
hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era movies where that 
very thing happened.

I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the 
tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out 
there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i 
said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's sensibilities.



- Original Message -
From: "Kelwyn" 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

  

I think "Monster's Ball" should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this 
would include the heavily lauded "Precious" and the little appreciated 
"Shadowboxer." In fact, "Precious" actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's 
Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble 
casting and performance 

Likewise, I think "Titantic" should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. 
I recently re-saw "The Abyss" and it confirmed my opinion that even when 
Cameron is "bad," he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at 
well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron.

~rave! 


--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com> , 
"Grayson"  wrote:
>
> The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and 
> Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The 
> Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or 
> not--was as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie 
> Jones who I always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad.
> 
> Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no 
> desire to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on 
> this list as well as a few other Best P

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Keith Johnson]

Dang. Well, just reinforces my belief that people of color need to be producing 
more of our own stories, and those actors of color who do well need to fight 
the fight as much as possible too. And people of color need to *support* those 
efforts when they are done. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Tracey de Morsella"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:17:09 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 









You guys have not read some of the cut out scenes. In one, the native guy that 
was originally the heroes adversary, has is tail cut off by the big bad marine 
villain guy. That means he cannot longer connect to the world or have real sex 
– so in essence--- his dick was cut off. He asks the hero to become leader of 
the tribe and also to kill him 





From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Keith Johnson 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:12 PM 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 









Agreed. I think that's why the whole Avatar angle of not just a human man, but 
a white human man, getting with an alien woman bothers some people. I have to 
see the movie to see if it bothers me. But that goes back to the FUBU concept 
for movies: i can't expect a white guy like Cameron to always think "hey, I've 
got to put a black man in the lead role", when he already feels he's sending 
forth some positive messages about the environment, exploitation of indigenous 
species, etc. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf"  
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 9:06:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 






Its more like white men with any woman of any race. Even aliens! It is a luxury 
of being in power. They allow themselves too many liberties without much basis 
rooted in reality. 


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:07 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 





Trust me, I'm from Texas and live in Georgia. I know it's a reality of life. 
What I'm saying, though, is it's not the greatest reality of black life. And, 
Hollywood is still in 2010 criminally negligent when it goes to showing healthy 
black male/female couples. It's not that the story is fiction, per se, it's 
just something I've see way too many times from a movie industry that loves 
putting white men with black women, but feels as if two black people onscreen 
is something to be avoided. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Mr. Worf" < hellomahog...@gmail.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 



Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:39:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 








Actually, black women hooking up with rednecks happens a lot more than you 
might think. There are various reasons for it that I am still analyzing. 


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Keith Johnson < keithbjohn...@comcast.net > 
wrote: 





I hear you, I just had issues with Monster's Ball as stated below. Seen enough 
of that stuff from movies my whole life without needing to revisit it again. 
And unlike "Precious"--which while rough, at least reflects a bitter reality of 
black American life--the unique story of Monster's Ball isn't one that's as 
universal to me. At least, I can't remember the last time I saw black women 
hooking up with racists white guys since all those slave-era movies where that 
very thing happened. 

I'd have told a movie like that with a black man helping Berry navigate the 
tragedy of her life. We need to see more of the stories--and they are out 
there--of black men and women working *together*.But that's just me. Like i 
said: that was a movie written by a white man with a white man's sensibilities. 




- Original Message - 
From: "Kelwyn" < ravena...@yahoo.com > 
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 7:10:42 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 







I think "Monster's Ball" should be seen as part of Lee Daniels' oeuvre, this 
would include the heavily lauded "Precious" and the little appreciated 
"Shadowboxer." In fact, "Precious" actually deepens my appreciation of Halle's 
Academy Award performance. Daniels is an emerging master of both ensemble 
casting and performance 

Likewise, I think "Titantic" should be seen as part of James Cameron's oeuvre. 
I recently re-saw "The Abyss" and it confirmed my opinion that even when 
Cameron is "bad," he is good. I don't believe there is anybody better at 
well-crafted populist cinema that Cameron. 

~rave! 



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , "Grayson"  wrote: 
> 
> Th

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[C.W. Badie]

...and after a brief view, I am convinced that she looks best dressed...

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Mr. Worf  wrote:


From: Mr. Worf 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 4:36 PM


  



The only reason I watched the movie was for Halle's breasts. 


On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 1:57 PM, Grayson  wrote:

The thing is... I like everybody in this movie. Berry, Cheadle, Jackman, and 
Travolta who I am loving more and more lately (absolutely loved him in The 
Taking of Pelham 123 even though the the plot of that movie--remake or not--was 
as thin as Nick Cage's hairline) plus the very tiny roll for Vinnie Jones who I 
always like in a fight. But the movie is just... bad.

Also is it bad that I haven't seen Monster's Ball and have absolutely no desire 
to do so. It's on my list of movies to never see. Titanic is also on this list 
as well as a few other Best Picture nominees/winners.

Grayson




--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, "Kelwyn"  wrote:
>
> I've seen Swordfish many times.  It is not good but it has charms.  For me, 
> Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either 
> her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, 
> "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I 
> like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John 
> Travolta is always fun to watch.
>
> ~rave!
>
> --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole  
> wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched 
> > Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep 
> > thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth 
> > the effort.
> >
> > I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because 
> > they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't 
> > (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked 
> > the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to 
> > just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head).
> >
> > What do you think?
> >  
> > Grayson Reyes-Cole
> > http://www.graysonr eyescole. com
> > Facebook
> > Bright Star
> > The Builder
> > The Prescription Playboy
> >
>




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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[C.W. Badie]

I was not impressed...does that make me gay?

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote:


From: Tracey de Morsella 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 3:58 PM


  



I didn't love it, but enjoyed it. I don't even remember the Halle Berry tit
scene. But Rave really captures my feelings about the movies in his last two
lines. Travolta is always fun to watch- even in bad movies. The action is
good. I enjoyed Cheadle, Jackson and Berry in their roles. 

-Original Message-
From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelwyn
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:04 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me,
Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than
either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's
assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged
detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and,
IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. 

~rave! 

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole
 wrote:
>
> I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just
watched Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I
keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was
worth the effort.
> 
> I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just
because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I
don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he
cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses
up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 
> 
> What do you think?
>  
> Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> http://www.graysonr eyescole. com 
> Facebook
> Bright Star 
> The Builder
> The Prescription Playboy
>

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Martin Baxter]

Not at all, pal. Merely discriminating in your tastes.

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:59:34 -0800
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish


















 



  



  
  
  I was not impressed...does that make me gay?

"Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet"
>From "THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES" by C.W. Badie

--- On Sun, 1/24/10, Tracey de Morsella  
wrote:


From: Tracey de Morsella 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, January 24, 2010, 3:58 PM


  

I didn't love it, but enjoyed it. I don't even remember the Halle Berry tit
scene. But Rave really captures my feelings about the movies in his last two
lines. Travolta is always fun to watch- even in bad movies. The action is
good. I enjoyed Cheadle, Jackson and Berry in their roles. 

-Original Message-
From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogro ups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelwyn
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 1:04 PM
To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me,
Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than
either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's
assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged
detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and,
IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. 

~rave! 

--- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole
 wrote:
>
> I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just
watched Swordfish all over again for two
 reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I
keep thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was
worth the effort.
> 
> I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just
because they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I
don't (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he
cracked the DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses
up to just being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 
> 
> What do you think?
>  
> Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> http://www.graysonr eyescole. com 
> Facebook
> Bright Star 
> The Builder
> The Prescription Playboy
>

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

[Martin Baxter]

Hey, I'm single. Gotta get a thrill wherever I can...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik




To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:28:21 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish


















 



  



  
  
  
Dude, it ain't worth it for that.

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:41:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish








 



  



  
  
  


"Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer..."

Okay, okay... I'll watch it. Didn't have to twist my arm. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:04:14 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish


















 



  



  
  
  I've seen Swordfish many times.  It is not good but it has charms.  For 
me, Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than 
either her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's 
assets, "Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged 
detective, I like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, 
IMHO, John Travolta is always fun to watch. 



~rave!  



--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole  
wrote:

>

> I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched 
> Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep 
> thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth 
> the effort.

> 

> I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because 
> they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't 
> (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the 
> DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just 
> being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 

> 

> What do you think?

>  

> Grayson Reyes-Cole 

> http://www.graysonreyescole.com 

> Facebook

> Bright Star 

> The Builder

> The Prescription Playboy

>







 









  
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[Aubrey Leatherwood]

I think I just said those same words to somebody today lol!!!

Aubrey Leatherwood
www.aubreyleatherwood.com
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Imperfection
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To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: truthseeker...@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:58:19 -0500
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

  



Hey, I'm single. Gotta get a thrill wherever I can...

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:28:21 +
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

  




Dude, it ain't worth it for that.

- Original Message -
From: "Martin Baxter" 
To: "SciFiNoir2" 
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:41:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

  


"Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer..."

Okay, okay... I'll watch it. Didn't have to twist my arm. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik







To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
From: ravena...@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:04:14 +
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish

  


I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, 
Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either 
her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, 
"Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I 
like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John 
Travolta is always fun to watch. 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Grayson Reyes-Cole  
wrote:
>
> I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched 
> Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep 
> thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth 
> the effort.
> 
> I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because 
> they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't 
> (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the 
> DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just 
> being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 
> 
> What do you think?
>  
> Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> http://www.graysonreyescole.com 
> Facebook
> Bright Star 
> The Builder
> The Prescription Playboy
>






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[Keith Johnson]

Rather than Berry, I humbly suggest looking up any movie with Selma Hayek in 
it--the dancing scene in that vampire movie alone is worth the price of ten 
shots of Berry's nekkid chest--this despite Hayek keeping her clothes on! Or 
anything that features Sanaa Lathan, she of the incredibly cute smile and 
dreamy eyes that just suck one in. Or anything with Gabrielle Union, face as 
pretty and perfect as a living doll's. Nia Long in "Love Jones" is just a treat 
to look at too --and it's a good movie to boot. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 4:58:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 






Hey, I'm single. Gotta get a thrill wherever I can... 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 





To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:28:21 + 
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 






Dude, it ain't worth it for that. 

- Original Message - 
From: "Martin Baxter"  
To: "SciFiNoir2"  
Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 4:41:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 




"Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer..." 

Okay, okay... I'll watch it. Didn't have to twist my arm. 

"If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody 
hell hired the director?" -- Charles L Grant 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik 






To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com 
From: ravena...@yahoo.com 
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 21:04:14 + 
Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Swordfish 




I've seen Swordfish many times. It is not good but it has charms. For me, 
Halle's short red dress scene in Hugh Jackman's trailer is better than either 
her lingerie scene or her topless scene (if you wanna see Halle's assets, 
"Monster's Ball" is a better bet). I like Don Cheadle's dogged detective, I 
like the business at the bank, the business with the bus and, IMHO, John 
Travolta is always fun to watch. 

~rave! 

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Grayson Reyes-Cole  
wrote: 
> 
> I don't know if this movie has ever been discussed here, but I just watched 
> Swordfish all over again for two reasons 1) I was bored and 2) I keep 
> thinking if I watch it again I will like it more. Neither reason was worth 
> the effort. 
> 
> I'm just curious, lots of people I know like the movie and not just because 
> they got to see Halle Berry's boobies, I'm in the minority because I don't 
> (the only scene I like is when Hugh Jackman is explaining how he cracked the 
> DoD, Halle Berry negates all of his explanations, then he fesses up to just 
> being au naturel and seeing the code in his head). 
> 
> What do you think? 
> 
> Grayson Reyes-Cole 
> http://www.graysonreyescole.com 
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