[scots-l] Sands of Kuwait

[Nigel Gatherer]

One of my students has asked me for a tune, "The Sands of Kuwait". I
think I might have it on a record somewhere, but I can't remember
where. Does anyone have a transcription of it that they can let me have?

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[scots-l] Re: Looking for a tune

[Nigel Gatherer]

Toby Rider wrote:

> As I had suspected.. An "old-timey" tune.. Have you ever heard
> Eck Robertson?

Yes, I have his 'Master Fiddler' collection on cassette. You need a
different pair of ears to appreciate it, in my opinion.

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Re: [scots-l] Balqu(h)idder Lasses

[Erich Marschner]

This is a fife tune we used to play in the mid-70s in the 1st Maryland
Regiment, a Revolutionary War living history group.  I learned it from Tom
Benoit, a fifer in the Old Guard, the US Army fife and drum corps.  I've
adapted the original abc slightly to show how we played the tune - almost
the same, but with a couple of minor changes - and I've written out the
second part as well.  (I tried to show both together, but I couldn't quite
work out how to do that.)

This was always one of my favorite tunes to play, in part because the fifes
would play it 'solo' - i.e., no drums.

Regards,

Erich

X:517
T:Balquhidder Lasses - 1st part
S:Jim Coon, internet
Z:Nigel Gatherer
N:Slightly modified by Erich Marschner, to reflect how I learned it.
N:Learned from Tom Benoit of the Old Guard Fife and Drum Corps
(http://www.ogfdc.org/index.php).
N:As played by the Musick (fifes and drums) of the 1st Maryland Regiment,
ca. 1975
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:Edor
BA | G2 FG EFGA  | B2 B2 e3 e  | d2 A2 ABAG | DEFG A2 |
BA | G2 FG EFGA  | B2 B2 e3 e  | d2 A2 BAGF | E6  :|
B2 | e2 ef e2 B2 | efgf  e2 Bc | d2 de dAFA | DEFG A2  |
B2 | e2 ef e2 B2 | efgf  e2 Bc | d2 A2 BAGF | E6   |
B2 | e2 ef e2 B2 | efgf  e2 Bc | d2 de dAFA | DEFG A2  |
BA | G2 FG EFGA  | B2 B2 e3 e  | d2 A2 BAGF | E6  |]

X:518
T:Balquhidder Lasses - 2nd Part
S:Jim Coon, internet
Z:Erich Marschner
N:As played by the Musick (fifes and drums) of the 1st Maryland Regiment,
ca. 1975
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:Edor
GF | E2 B,2 E2 EF  | GAGE G3 G | F2 F4 (D2 | D)CDE F2  |
GF | E2 B,2 E2 EF  | G4   GBAG | FD A,D E2 B,2 | E6   :|
EF | GABA G2 F(G/2A/2) | G2 E4  DE | FGAG F2 (D2   | D2) DEF2  |
BA | GABA G2 F(G/2A/2) | G2 E4  EG | FD A,D E2 B,2 | E6|
EF | GABA G2 F(G/2A/2) | G2 E4  DE | FGAG F2 (D2   | D2) DEF2  |
GF | E2 B,2 E2 EF  | G4   GBAG | FD A,D E2 B,2 | E6   |]




on 3/25/03 10:18 AM, David Francis at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> Nigel wrote:
> 
>> I've been sent this tune by someone in the states - I've never heard it
>> before, and can't match it. Does anyone else know it?
> 
> Bella McNab's have been playing this tune for a number of years.  I don't
> know much about it at all - we got it from an album by Dave Swarbrick called
> 'The Ceilidh Album' (which I notice has just been re-issued on CD)
> 
>> X:517
>> T:Balquidder Lasses
>> S:Jim Coon, internet
>> Z:Nigel Gatherer
>> M:4/4
>> L:1/8
>> K:Edor
>> BA | G2 FG EFGA  | B2 B2 e4| d2 A2 ABAF | DEFG A2
>> BA | G2 FG EFGA  | B2 B2 e4| d2 A2 BAGF | E6  :|
>> B2 | e2 ef e2 B2 | efgf  e2 Bc | d2 de dAFA | DEFG A2
>> B2 | e2 ef e2 B2 | efgf  e2 Bc | d2 A2 BAGF | E6
>> B2 | e2 ef e2 B2 | efgf  e2 Bc | d2 de dAFA | DEFG A2
>> BA | G2 FG EFGA  | B2 B2 e4| d2 A2 BAGF | E6  |]
> 
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Re: [scots-l] Scots Music Quiz

[Wendy Galovich]

On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:16:47 + (GMT)
Nigel Gatherer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2. What the connects the titles of these old Scottish reels: "John of
> Badenyon;" "Och a Chiallain;" "Cuir sa Chiste Mhoir Mi."

Oh oh oh... I know this one. :-) In the Cape Breton tradition they are commonly known 
as the wedding reels. Working from memory of John Campbell's ramblings during 
workshops... The first Cape Breton fiddle recording ever made was of the "wedding reel 
set" and was recorded by Angus Chisholm, Dan J. Campbell (John's father) and Angus 
Gillis. The record company paid them $100 Canadian and traveling expenses.

Marcia Palmater uses that recording as the opening theme for her weekly radio show, 
"Downeast Ceilidh".

Wendy
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Re: [scots-l] Scots Music Quiz

[Jack Campin]

I would need books to answer most of those (especially number 10), 
which is cheating, but I suspect the answer you're going to give
to this one is the wrong way round:

> Finally, what are the original Scottish tunes on which the following
> are based:
> 20. The Gallowglass (Ireland)

Surely it's more likely that the Irish jig (or perhaps a march version
thereof) came first?

There is another lament by a relative of the composer of that one, also
based on an Irish tune, where the Irish version was printed in the same
book the Scottish one first appeared in (thanks to Charlie Gore for
pointing that out, in an issue of "Box and Fiddle" last year).  I think
it was in print elsewhere before the subject of the lament died.

Amazingly, the OED (first edition) doesn't have "gallowglass".  When
would they have been topical enough to have the tune named (or renamed)
after them?

These two tunes work well together - you're usually going to surprise
the whole audience because hardly anybody knows both the Irish and the
Scottish one.  (The third one in the family - see my Dalkeith site - is
much less played than the other two).

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[scots-l] Benjamin Franklin on Scottish music

[Jack Campin]

I happened to come across Benjamin Franklin's "Dissertation upon
Scottish Music" this week - grandiloquent title for one page of
speculations that reads like a Usenet post.  I'd expected to find
it on the web (e.g. as part of a collected Franklin site) but can't;
I might type it in next week if it doesn't turn up.

He has an interesting idea.  He thought that the oldest Scottish music
was mainly derived from harp repertoire; specifically, harps that play
without damping.  This, he thought, had implications for its underlying
harmonic structure; instead of being organized guitar-accompanist style
with every moment in the music having a definite chord, and the melody
placed above that, he thought that the harmony arose from *successive*
tones in the music - each note harmonizing with its predecessors, and
the sequence of intervals being chosen to make this work, which implies
a preference for melodic intervals wider than a tone. 

Now this can't entirely work, as string damping must have been
practiced from very early times, and ignoring the possibility that
some tunes might be of purely vocal origin is nuts.  But it does
connect with Scottish music's tendency to arpeggiate, and maybe it
*does* work the way he thought it did for a subclass of tunes.

What would the repertoire of Scottish tunes that could be played
effectively on an undamped wire harp be composed of?

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[scots-l] Looking for a tune

[Mary Umbarger]

>
>
>
>X:518
>T:Brilliancy Medley
>D:Eck Robertson, Master Fiddler
>
As I had suspected.. An "old-timey" tune.. Have you ever heard Eck
Robertson?


Dear Toby,
 I have never had the pleasure of hearing Eck Robertson.  The fiddler I
have a recording of is Dr. Mac Snoderly from the Asheville,NC area.  He,also
is a Master Fiddler and a very nice man. I have met him at festivals.  His
arrangement is awesome.  I wish I could 'write' in abc  and I would post my
concept of his Brilliancy.  It is very similar to the last one that Nigel
sent.


Mary Umbarger


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Re: [scots-l] Scots Music Quiz

[Ian J L Adkins]

<< 15. The Bonnets o' Bonnie Dundee >>

Uh, Dundee?



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Re: [scots-l] Re: Looking for a tune

[Toby Rider]

Nigel Gatherer wrote:

Mary Umbarger wrote:

 

  There is a fiddle player here in North Carolina that play a reel
he calls Brilliancy.  It sounds a lot like The Mathematician.
   

does
 

anyone know of an abc listing on this?
   

Hi Mary. Try the following web page for instructions on sending
non-HTML posts:
http://www.expita.com/nomime.html

Brilliancy sometimes goes like this:

X:518
T:Brilliancy Medley
D:Eck Robertson, Master Fiddler
 



   As I had suspected.. An "old-timey" tune.. Have you ever heard Eck 
Robertson?



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[scots-l] Re: Looking for a tune

[Nigel Gatherer]

Nigel Gatherer wrote:

> ...I think I've got another version in a Dave Swarbrick book in the
> cellar, which I'll transcribe later.

Here it is. Is it more like the one played round your bit?

X:519
T:Brilliancy Medley
B:Dave Swarbrick Takes a Bow
Z:Nigel Gatherer
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:A
g2 | aece  aece  | aecA BA F2 | E3  B cBcA  | B2 e2   e2 
eg | aece  aece  | aecA BA F2 | E2 EF ABcA  | B2 A2   A2   :| 
E2 | A2 cA G2 BG | FEFG AGFE  | D2 FD C2 EC | B,G,B,C B,DCB,|
 A,CEF A2 cA | BABc dBAG  | Bcde  fgaf  | edcBA2  :|]

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[scots-l] Scots Music Quiz

[Nigel Gatherer]

Having to make it much harder this year since there are resident
geniuses in our midst. I'll also have to think of a suitable prize.
This time there are twenty questions, twenty points. If - like question
1 - there are two parts to the answer, each correct answer will win
half a point. My decision will be final. Have a go!

SCOTTISH FOLK/TRADITIONAL MUSIC QUIZ

1. "Her auld faither girns at the ingle side - 'It's the Lowland squire
   ye maun wed, An' ye to the kirk in a coach shall ride, An' in velvet
   an' silk ye'll be cled, An' on siller ware ye shall dine at the
   board, An' the diamonds shall shine on your broo..."

These lyrics by William Martin were published in about 1903 to music
arranged by Gavin Greig; but who composed the original tune, and what
was it called?

2. What the connects the titles of these old Scottish reels: "John of
Badenyon;" "Och a Chiallain;" "Cuir sa Chiste Mhoir Mi."

3. The Shetland fiddler Ian Burns composed quite a few tunes, but what
was his very first composition?

4. Which town held Scotland's first folk festival in 1964?

5. Which Scottish harper is also celebrated as an artist in engraved
glass?

6. Which song is quoted here: "Now the summer's in prime, wi' the
flowers richly blooming, And the wild mountain thyme a' the moorlands
perfuming..."

7. Which of the following has NOT been a member of the Tannahill
Weavers: Iain MacInnes; Michael Ward; Derek Hoy; Dougie MacLean; Bill
Bourne; Ross Kennedy.

8. He was from Dundee, and in 1921 at age eleven he saw Scott Skinner
perform at the Caird Hall. His own recording began with Beltona in
1931, and he played with many of Scotland's top musicians. His popular
compositions include "Lament for Will Starr" and "J B Milne." Who is he?

9. Patie Birnie was a celebrated fiddler from Loanhead, just outside
Edinburgh. Name another, possibly more recent, fiddler from Loanheed.

10. Who, in August 1999, said "...[quicksteps] started out as military
marches for the fife; usually a regiment had its own slow march
(invariably duple time) and quickstep (usually 6/8).  These probably
got into the dance repertoire via the piano; the Volunteer regiments of
the late 18th century inspired a mountain of salon marches aimed at
parlour patriots. The first printed quicksteps for the pipes date from
just after the Napoleonic War, which is a generation later.  But
probably the pipers had been adapting the fifers' tunes for decades
previously.  The army dropped the fife in 1816, and most of the old
quicksteps rapidly fell out of use, with the pipers' repertoire tending
to use the same rhythms but totally different melodic patterns..."

Which locations do the following tunes and songs suggest: 

11. Mairi's Wedding 
12. The Dark Island
13. Teribus
14. Glencoe Village Hall
15. The Bonnets o' Bonnie Dundee

Finally, what are the original Scottish tunes on which the following
are based:

16. Billy in the Lowground (USA)
17. Old Molly Hare (USA)
18. The Boyne Hunt (Ireland)
19. The Watchmaker (Ireland)
20. The Gallowglass (Ireland)

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[scots-l] Re: Looking for a tune

[Nigel Gatherer]

Jack Campin wrote:

> Is that high B in bar 9 for real, or an octave-out slip?  (Those are
> exasperatingly easy to make in ABC, it's the main source of error in
> the notation).

I always put in at least one deliberate mistake so that people don't
steal my work and pass it off as their own. (That's a pack of lies by
the way.) Yes, there's more than one mistake in my transcription.
Here's the second draft:

X:518
T:Brilliancy Medley
D:Eck Robertson, Master Fiddler
Z:Nigel Gatherer
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:A
(3efg | a2 ga f2 eg | aecA BA F2 | A,2 C2 DA,CA, | B,2 E2  G2 
  eg  | aecA  Bcde  | aecA BA F2 | A,CEG  A2 f2  | ecBGA2   :|
(3EFG | AB c2 GABG  | FEFG AGFE  | D2  FD C2 EC  | B,A,B,C DCB,C |
A,CEF A2 cA | BABc d2 cB | ABce   fgaf   | edcBA2   :|

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Re: [scots-l] Re: Looking for a tune

[Jack Campin]

> Thank you for the correction!  I just started using a new program
> and didn't realize I had not made the adjustment.

Big improvement, but you still haven't quite beaten it - superfluous
"X-" header lines and too much quoted (and double-spaced) text.

The default settings you started with appear to imply that IncrediMail
must be the only mail client in the universe that makes Outlook Express
look good.


Nigel posted...

X:518
T:Brilliancy Medley
D:Eck Robertson, Master Fiddler
Z:Nigel Gatherer
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:A
(3efg | a2 ga f2 eg | aecA BA F2 | A,2 C2 dA,CA, | B,2 E2  G2 
  eg  | aecA  Bcde  | aecA BA F2 | A,CEG  A2 f2  | ecBGA2   :|
(3EFG | Ab c2 GABG  | FEFG AGFE  | D2  FD C2 EC  | B,A,B,C DCB,C |
A,CEF A2 cA | BABc d2 cB | ABce   fgaf   | edcBA2   :|

Is that high B in bar 9 for real, or an octave-out slip?  (Those are
exasperatingly easy to make in ABC, it's the main source of error in
the notation).


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Re: [scots-l] Kilsyth?

[Jack Campin]

> Anyone been to Kilsyth? I have a friend who lives there now, says
> it's boring, in his thick Glasgowegian brogue. Is he right? :-)

He's probably just spoilt by the cultural buzz and 24/7 excitement of
Cumbernauld next door.

I think the nearest regular Scottish music is Fintry one way and Falkirk
folk club the other.

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[scots-l] Re: Looking for a tune

[Nigel Gatherer]

Mary Umbarger wrote:

>  ...Thanks...for the ABC's. It's somewhat different from the one
> here, however, it could be in the musicians intrepretation of the
> tune.

With many of these old tunes - especially from the US - there are as
many interpretations of a tune as there are musicians who play it. I
think I've got another version in a Dave Swarbrick book in the cellar,
which I'll transcribe later.

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Re: [scots-l] Re: Looking for a tune

[Mary Umbarger]

 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, March 28, 2003 04:29:25
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [scots-l] Re: Looking for a tune
 
Dear Nigel,
 Thank you for the correction!  I just started using a new program and
didn't realize I had not made the adjustment.  Thanks, also for the ABC's. 
It's somewhat different from the one here, however, it could be in the
musicians intrepretation of the tune.
Harpin' in Harmony,
 Mary U







Mary Umbarger wrote:
 
> There is a fiddle player here in North Carolina that play a reel
> he calls Brilliancy. It sounds a lot like The Mathematician. does
> anyone know of an abc listing on this?
 
Hi Mary. Try the following web page for instructions on sending
non-HTML posts:
 
http://www.expita.com/nomime.html
 

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[scots-l] Re: Looking for a tune

[Nigel Gatherer]

Mary Umbarger wrote:

>There is a fiddle player here in North Carolina that play a reel
> he calls Brilliancy.  It sounds a lot like The Mathematician.
 does
> anyone know of an abc listing on this?

Hi Mary. Try the following web page for instructions on sending
non-HTML posts:

http://www.expita.com/nomime.html

Brilliancy sometimes goes like this:

X:518
T:Brilliancy Medley
D:Eck Robertson, Master Fiddler
Z:Nigel Gatherer
M:4/4
L:1/8
K:A
(3efg | a2 ga f2 eg | aecA BA F2 | A,2 C2 dA,CA, | B,2 E2  G2 
  eg  | aecA  Bcde  | aecA BA F2 | A,CEG  A2 f2  | ecBGA2   :|
(3EFG | Ab c2 GABG  | FEFG AGFE  | D2  FD C2 EC  | B,A,B,C DCB,C |
A,CEF A2 cA | BABc d2 cB | ABce   fgaf   | edcBA2  :|]

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