Re: [Scottish] Forming New LUG
Hallo all : - Regarding talk of further fragmenting the Scottish LUG community this allegation assumes at least three things : - 1 That Tony's proposed new UG would be under the LUG umbrella; 2 That one could not be in both a LUG and the pnUG (so as in religious and political mainstreams and sects); 3 That fragmentation is bad in itself and that Tony forking off in despair (if he does) couldn't lead anywhere for the rest. Assumes, I say, but I was told in recent years that to ASSUME makes an ASS of U and ME. For the current record where is there a brief history of ScotLUG's early days please? Pat On Wed, 24 Dec 2003 08:17:45 + William Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tony Dyer wrote: I have become increasingly disaffected by the lack of progress and decisions the charting SLUG's future. As such I intend to form a distinct UG, in the Greater Glasgow Area, devoted to a broad range of Open Source as well as Linux issues and taking in user as well as technical views. If anyone is interested in joining me please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish those who continue with SLUG every success in the future. My Heart and Head are no longer with my co-creation. This kind of response is disappointing to say the least. A lack of progress and decisions regarding the LUG in the middle of December is hardly something to get worked up about - this is a time when most people are winding down and are possibly away from keyboards. Some good comments have been made over the last couple of weeks, and while formalised progress hasn't been decided upon, I think it's only fair to mull over further comments and thoughts over the holiday period. I notice that you didn't participate in the discussion which you yourself initiated on the 9th - any reason for that? You could have guided that thread to engage and enliven LUG members to be more proactive, but you didn't - why? You changed your mind from offering to turn up at meetings and do some content for the website at around half past eight on Monday night to forming another Glasgow LUG at about half past ten. If you attribute your change of heart to some indigestion after your dinner, I can somewhat understand, but otherwise it just smacks of impatience and offhanded irritation. If you feel that your only way forward is to abandon the existing LUG and attempt to form a new one, then good luck to you, but it seems an extremely rash and ill-mannered decision to make. If you want to take charge of something and take it forward, why not do so with the existing LUG instead of creating a new LUG, fragmenting the community? I suggested earlier in the month that the community that is ScotLUG become GLUG, retaining the current membership, times, goals, etc, and the ScotLUG brand be used as an umbrella organisation to help bring together the LUG communities in Scotland. You are suggesting further fragmenting the Scottish LUG community - can we have more details reasons why you feel this is necessary? Please don't take any of these comments as an attack - I genuinely would like to hear your answers to my questions, and any other comments you wish to make to make your position and thinking clearer. if you still feel your only course of action is to fragment the community, I again wish you luck and also a guid new year. -- _ __/| ___ ___ __ _ When Microsoft Office is your only hammer, \`O_o' / _ \/ -_) // / __/ _ \ pretty much everything begins to look like =(_ _)=/_//_/\__/\_,_/_/ \___/ a nail. Or a thumb. -- Rob Pegoraro U - Ack! Phttpt! Thhbbt! neuro at well dot com http://neuro.me.uk/ ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish -- Debian GNU/Linux 3.0r0 Sylpheed 0.7.4 are free software Free as in http://fsfeurope.org/ or http://www.fsf.org/ also http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/ http://www.ukcdr.org/ http://www.debian.org/doc/user-manuals ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Forming New LUG
More mud for the waters.. I'd be keen to see ScotLUG/aLUG/anyLUG move forward and provide a more structured forum for discussion and also offer a point of contact for business and newbies. To do this we need names and probably titles, this is the least that a lot of folks from outside the world of open software projects expect to see. If for whatever reasons we can't agree on this then can I suggest that we form a SIG within ScotLUG and try and keep us all under one banner? The last thing anyone trying to advocate Linux needs is a schism and I don't see any real disagreement that the various alternative proposals are wrong, just wrong for some of us. Obviously for this to work we would need to draw a line under any ill feeling caused by the recent 'discussions'. To summarise the ramble above, could we have an organised sub-group working within ScotLUG? This groups can be self directing and is unlikely to come into conflict with the aims of the main group... talking of which can someone please remind me again what these were? George ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
[Scottish] Forming New LUG
I have become increasingly disaffected by the lack of progress and decisions the charting SLUG's future. As such I intend to form a distinct UG, in the Greater Glasgow Area, devoted to a broad range of Open Source as well as Linux issues and taking in user as well as technical views. If anyone is interested in joining me please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish those who continue with SLUG every success in the future. My Heart and Head are no longer with my co-creation. Tony Dyer -- Copyright 2003 by W. N. Dyer; all rights reserved. First class web hosting from 11 at http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=5075954 ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Forming New LUG
Tony Dyer wrote: I have become increasingly disaffected by the lack of progress and decisions the charting SLUG's future. As such I intend to form a distinct UG, in the Greater Glasgow Area, devoted to a broad range of Open Source as well as Linux issues and taking in user as well as technical views. If anyone is interested in joining me please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish those who continue with SLUG every success in the future. My Heart and Head are no longer with my co-creation. Tony Dyer What's the addy for the new IRC channel? I'd like to find out what your plans are. -- Calum Morrell www.drochaid.org ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Forming New LUG
I'll be posting the details over the festive season to, what I consider an appropriate medium, i.e. a website. I'll happily let the list know in due course. Nice to read your interest in the plans of the proposed UG. Tony Dyer In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Calum Morrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Tony Dyer wrote: I have become increasingly disaffected by the lack of progress and decisions the charting SLUG's future. As such I intend to form a distinct UG, in the Greater Glasgow Area, devoted to a broad range of Open Source as well as Linux issues and taking in user as well as technical views. If anyone is interested in joining me please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish those who continue with SLUG every success in the future. My Heart and Head are no longer with my co-creation. Tony Dyer What's the addy for the new IRC channel? I'd like to find out what your plans are. -- Copyright 2003 by W. N. Dyer; all rights reserved. First class web hosting from 11 at http://oneandone.co.uk/xml/init?k_id=5075954 ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
Re: [Scottish] Forming New LUG
I know this thread has continued considerably past this point, however I the thread has little relevance to my point, so I answer from here. Firstly, I see this as a great loss to scotlug, I live in Alloa, and in this order, work commitments - finance - work commitments have found it difficult to attend more than 2 or 3 scotlug meetings per year, one of those was your talk on linux qualification which had a profound affect on my disabled partner, and indeed I have used my brainbench (the favourite price one you informed us of) qualifications to gain employment since the company I was with then went under. I understand, and agree with what you wish to achieve, however find I have to urge caution. I do not want to see a state where lug's become fragmented in the way the church has ( imagine a protestant lug and a catholic lug each with their own many subdivisions of subdivisions). If you do form an alternative Glasgow lug, then I wish you the best of luck, and hope you will continue to retain close ties with scotlug and most of all ensure that affiliation with either groups is not mutually exclusive. As advocates od both linux and open source, if it comes down to split groups, then cooperation is the best ways to our common goals, the groups should compliment each others, not rival each others. Cheers Andy Gilmour PS Tony, on a totally offtopic note (after visiting your homesite), you can check out my mog's from the cpl at http://antiroot.homedns.org/cats.php and watch their basket at http://antiroot.homedns.org/cam.html. enjoy Tony Dyer wrote: I have become increasingly disaffected by the lack of progress and decisions the charting SLUG's future. As such I intend to form a distinct UG, in the Greater Glasgow Area, devoted to a broad range of Open Source as well as Linux issues and taking in user as well as technical views. If anyone is interested in joining me please contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I wish those who continue with SLUG every success in the future. My Heart and Head are no longer with my co-creation. Tony Dyer ___ Scottish mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/scottish
