Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Seeker]

On 19 Apr 2001, 14:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello Everyone!
> 
> I'm looking to move from my netmail and/or AOL to exclusively using an
> email client.  Course, I've never used one before so would like some
> opinions.  :o) 
>   Outlook is kicking my butt with error messages, and I'm not too
>   interested 
> in it for that very reason. I've re-installed it 3 times. Same messages.  
> 
> I'm looking at Pegasus now.  Any others friendly to beginning users?

Just my opinion...but I do not think you can do better than Pegasus 
Mail.  Get it and learn it.  Version 4 is soon to be out.  I think you 
will like it very well.

Dennis

> 
> In addition to opinions, are there websites that compare/contrast the
> different major (free) clients available on the market today?
> 
> TIA!
> 
> KM
> 


Dennis

Injustice is relatively easy to bear; what stings is justice.-H. L. Mencken

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

Can or CAN'T do better than Pegasus?

Also, since I have never used POP3 mail, it's asking me all these questions 
to which no answers.  Outgoing mail server,  etc.

In a message dated 4/19/01 4:15:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Just my opinion...but I do not think you can do better than Pegasus Mail.  
Get it and learn it.  Version 4 is soon to be out.  I think you will like it 
very well.
>  
>  Dennis

RE: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[William Woodward]

The Bat! from www.ritlabs.com is worth looking at.  It is around $30 as I
recall.

> >-Original Message-
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> >Behalf Of Seeker
> >Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:15 PM
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 19 Apr 2001, 14:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Everyone!
> >>
> >> I'm looking to move from my netmail and/or AOL to
> >exclusively using an
> >> email client.  Course, I've never used one before so would
> >like some
> >> opinions.  :o)
> >>   Outlook is kicking my butt with error messages, and I'm not too
> >>   interested
> >> in it for that very reason. I've re-installed it 3 times.
> >Same messages.
> >>
> >> I'm looking at Pegasus now.  Any others friendly to
> >beginning users?
> >
> >Just my opinion...but I do not think you can do better than Pegasus
> >Mail.  Get it and learn it.  Version 4 is soon to be out.  I
> >think you
> >will like it very well.
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> >>
> >> In addition to opinions, are there websites that
> >compare/contrast the
> >> different major (free) clients available on the market today?
> >>
> >> TIA!
> >>
> >> KM
> >>
> >
> >
> >Dennis
> >
> >Injustice is relatively easy to bear; what stings is
> >justice.-H. L. Mencken
> >

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

I have to admit that Pegasus is catering to me well so far.  I need clear, 
concise and sometimes even pictures (don't laugh at me!) to walk me through 
an application when I use it for the first time.   When it says, "CLICK HERE 
IN ORDER TO CONFIGURE YOUR EMAIL CLIENT FOR ONE USER ON ONE COMPUTER,"  that 
is how simple I need it to be since I am a beginning email client user.  

Will also check out Eudora and others later this week. 

Still looking for others' opinions as well. But let's leave OL and OLE out of 
this equation for now.  MS OL  has made my last 3 days miserable  :o)


> Just my opinion...but I do not think you can do better than Pegasus Mail.  
>  Get it and learn it.  Version 4 is soon to be out.  I think you will like 
it 
> 
>  very well.
>  >  
>  >  Dennis

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Gleason Sackmann]

You may also want to checkout POCO:
http://www.pocomail.com

It is very easy to setup, excellant mail filters...

A new, and greatly improved version is expected to be released shortly.



On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:26:43 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have to admit that Pegasus is catering to me well so far. I need clear,
 concise and sometimes even pictures (don't laugh at me!) to walk me
through
 an application when I use it for the first time. When it says, "CLICK HERE
 IN ORDER TO CONFIGURE YOUR EMAIL CLIENT FOR ONE USER ON ONE COMPUTER,"
that
 is how simple I need it to be since I am a beginning email client user.

 Will also check out Eudora and others later this week.

 Still looking for others' opinions as well. But let's leave OL and OLE out
of
 this equation for now. MS OL has made my last 3 days miserable :o)


>Just my opinion...but I do not think you can do better than Pegasus Mail.
 >Get it and learn it. Version 4 is soon to be out. I think you will like
 it
 >
>very well.
>>
>>Dennis

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Marsha Graham]

I adore Pegaus and used to use it all the time.

It got into a fight with my system though and it blew the TCP/IP stack every
day.  Actually, I have a hunch it's a bad interaction with my ISP but I'm
not sure.

I hope I can use it on my new computer without the same problem.  It is more
of a "tech's dream" because you can make it complicated (as I did) or
extremely easy.  It is not very accessible to the blind, however.

Eudora is accessible to the blind and very easy to use.  I think that's
probably the mail system of choice for most people.  It does not have all
the options Pegasus allows, but most people find it more than adequate.

Pegasus is free, so that's an added benefit.  And it is free without
commercials.

Good luck to you in chosing a new mailer.  I hope I get my old one back.
(grin)

Regards,
Marsha Graham

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Summer Rain]

Take a glance at

http://www.5star-shareware.com/Internet/Email-Clients/Email-Clients1.html

There are quite a lot ;-)

~alan

- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:05 AM
Subject: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients


> Hello Everyone!
>
> I'm looking to move from my netmail and/or AOL to exclusively using an
email
> client.  Course, I've never used one before so would like some opinions.
:o)
>   Outlook is kicking my butt with error messages, and I'm not too
interested
> in it for that very reason. I've re-installed it 3 times. Same messages.
>
> I'm looking at Pegasus now.  Any others friendly to beginning users?
>
> In addition to opinions, are there websites that compare/contrast the
> different major (free) clients available on the market today?
>
> TIA!
>
> KM
>

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Summer Rain]

Hello

BTW, may i ask if Pegaus supports HTTP protocol to receive/send emails like
MS outlook express?

Thanks

~alan


- Original Message -
From: Marsha Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients


> I adore Pegaus and used to use it all the time.
>
> It got into a fight with my system though and it blew the TCP/IP stack
every
> day.  Actually, I have a hunch it's a bad interaction with my ISP but I'm
> not sure.
>
> I hope I can use it on my new computer without the same problem.  It is
more
> of a "tech's dream" because you can make it complicated (as I did) or
> extremely easy.  It is not very accessible to the blind, however.
>
> Eudora is accessible to the blind and very easy to use.  I think that's
> probably the mail system of choice for most people.  It does not have all
> the options Pegasus allows, but most people find it more than adequate.
>
> Pegasus is free, so that's an added benefit.  And it is free without
> commercials.
>
> Good luck to you in chosing a new mailer.  I hope I get my old one back.
> (grin)
>
> Regards,
> Marsha Graham
>
>

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Seeker]

Do you mean will it send html mail?  
Version 4 will be able to send html mail.

Dennis


On 20 Apr 2001, 9:37 Summer Rain wrote:

> Hello
> 
> BTW, may i ask if Pegaus supports HTTP protocol to receive/send emails like
> MS outlook express?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> ~alan
> 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Marsha Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 6:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients
> 
> 
> > I adore Pegaus and used to use it all the time.
> >
> > It got into a fight with my system though and it blew the TCP/IP stack
> every
> > day.  Actually, I have a hunch it's a bad interaction with my ISP but I'm
> > not sure.
> >
> > I hope I can use it on my new computer without the same problem.  It is
> more
> > of a "tech's dream" because you can make it complicated (as I did) or
> > extremely easy.  It is not very accessible to the blind, however.
> >
> > Eudora is accessible to the blind and very easy to use.  I think that's
> > probably the mail system of choice for most people.  It does not have all
> > the options Pegasus allows, but most people find it more than adequate.
> >
> > Pegasus is free, so that's an added benefit.  And it is free without
> > commercials.
> >
> > Good luck to you in chosing a new mailer.  I hope I get my old one back.
> > (grin)
> >
> > Regards,
> > Marsha Graham
> >
> >
> 
> 


Dennis

A celebrity is one who is known by many people he is glad he doesn't know.-H. L. 
Mencken

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Summer Rain]

No, i mean, if Pegaus can recieve/send some web-based mails like
hotmail...as i know, outlook can do so..

Regards

~alan

- Original Message -
From: Seeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients


> Do you mean will it send html mail?
> Version 4 will be able to send html mail.
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On 20 Apr 2001, 9:37 Summer Rain wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> > BTW, may i ask if Pegaus supports HTTP protocol to receive/send emails
like
> > MS outlook express?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > ~alan
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Marsha Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 6:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients
> >
> >
> > > I adore Pegaus and used to use it all the time.
> > >
> > > It got into a fight with my system though and it blew the TCP/IP stack
> > every
> > > day.  Actually, I have a hunch it's a bad interaction with my ISP but
I'm
> > > not sure.
> > >
> > > I hope I can use it on my new computer without the same problem.  It
is
> > more
> > > of a "tech's dream" because you can make it complicated (as I did) or
> > > extremely easy.  It is not very accessible to the blind, however.
> > >
> > > Eudora is accessible to the blind and very easy to use.  I think
that's
> > > probably the mail system of choice for most people.  It does not have
all
> > > the options Pegasus allows, but most people find it more than
adequate.
> > >
> > > Pegasus is free, so that's an added benefit.  And it is free without
> > > commercials.
> > >
> > > Good luck to you in chosing a new mailer.  I hope I get my old one
back.
> > > (grin)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Marsha Graham
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> Dennis
>
> A celebrity is one who is known by many people he is glad he doesn't
know.-H. L. Mencken
>
>

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Seeker]

ok, no Pegasus Mail cannot receive hotmail.  It can recieve web mail if 
they also offer POP3.  Some do.



On 20 Apr 2001, 10:03 Summer Rain wrote:

> No, i mean, if Pegaus can recieve/send some web-based mails like
> hotmail...as i know, outlook can do so..
> 
> Regards
> 
> ~alan
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Seeker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients
> 
> 
> > Do you mean will it send html mail?
> > Version 4 will be able to send html mail.
> >
> > Dennis
> >
> >
> > On 20 Apr 2001, 9:37 Summer Rain wrote:
> >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > BTW, may i ask if Pegaus supports HTTP protocol to receive/send emails
> like
> > > MS outlook express?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > ~alan
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: Marsha Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 6:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients
> > >
> > >
> > > > I adore Pegaus and used to use it all the time.
> > > >
> > > > It got into a fight with my system though and it blew the TCP/IP
> > > > stack
> > > every
> > > > day.  Actually, I have a hunch it's a bad interaction with my ISP but
> I'm
> > > > not sure.
> > > >
> > > > I hope I can use it on my new computer without the same problem.  It
> is
> > > more
> > > > of a "tech's dream" because you can make it complicated (as I did) or
> > > > extremely easy.  It is not very accessible to the blind, however.
> > > >
> > > > Eudora is accessible to the blind and very easy to use.  I think
> that's
> > > > probably the mail system of choice for most people.  It does not have
> all
> > > > the options Pegasus allows, but most people find it more than
> adequate.
> > > >
> > > > Pegasus is free, so that's an added benefit.  And it is free without
> > > > commercials.
> > > >
> > > > Good luck to you in chosing a new mailer.  I hope I get my old one
> back.
> > > > (grin)
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Marsha Graham

Dennis

Once seen on road signs all over the United States
The cannibals
Took just one view
And said
He looks too nice
To stew
Burma-Shave

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[A.M. Holm]

On 4/19/01 at 4:26 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Will also check out Eudora and others later this week. 
>
>Still looking for others' opinions as well. But let's leave OL and OLE out
of 
>this equation for now.  MS OL  has made my last 3 days miserable  :o)

Hi Peace,

I am proceeding on the starry-eyed assumption that you have or will have
multiple POP accounts and therefore require an e-mail client that offers
such support. There are a number of them out there, as well as lists of
both freeware and shareware email applications.

Try Dave Central for a staggering array:

http://www.davecentral.com/mailclnt.html

As for individual suggestions, there's Phoenix Mail, an open source client,
with a most pleasant interface, and quite easy to set up. However, the
programme has not even reached version 1. yet and is a tad buggy. There's a
user support forum at 

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phoenix-support/messages

whose archives are open to the public. You might want to have a look at
some of the problems that users experience with the programme (no viable
spelling checker, problems with filters etc.).On the other hand, it is free
and many of its users are quite devoted. The Phoenix home page can be found
at:

http://fox.hispeed.com/phoenix/us_home.shtml

There's another free e-mail client that supports multiple accounts called
"Poco" which has won a number of awards and was mentioned earlier on this
thread. It has a very 'snazzy' interface and is somewhat less buggy than
Phoenix.

http://www.pocomail.com/ 

With slightly fewer features but with a clean and simple interface, there's
the estimable Foxmail. While the current version will support checking mail
from a number of POP accounts, it only has provision for sending mail from
one. However, for ease of setup and operation, Foxmail is a model of
simplicity. The author's homepage has not been available for the past few
months, so it is becoming difficult to find a software list site that
actually has this programme on its servers, instead of a now defunct link
to the author's homepage. However, this one appears to be working:

http://5star.freeserve.com/Internet/Email-Clients/foxmail-download.html

For shareware e-mail clients that are worth the money there's The Bat!, an
extremely stable, feature-rich programme that will do everything and do it
well. It has an intuitive interface and is extensively customizable,
handling innumerable e-mail accounts with ease and with separate account
handling / listing for folders. There's a free download / trial version
available:

http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/indexpage.html

Saving the best (IMHO) for last, there's the little known but terrific
e-mail client, "Calypso". This is another shareware ($30 US ) programme
available for a trail period. The application has a marvellously intuitive
interface, that is visually pleasing as well. It is easy to organize
multiple accounts as well as multiple **versions** of the application so
that it can be shared, say within a family. 

Its filtering system is superb. Incoming and outgoing messages can be
automatically placed in the folders of your choice through a number of
criteria and individual wav. files can be used to designate each filtering
action. (If I'm surfing while Calypso is doing a "mail run" a chorus of
'Hallelujah' informs me that my old college roommate has finally written,
while messages arriving from "SeeknFind" are announced by Jimmy Buffet
singing "the mail boat's in")

Its folder system is not plagued by the limitations of some e-mail clients
and can be set up to your own preferences. The spelling checker is very
good and has a customizable dictionary as well. You could take a look at:

http://www.calypsoemail.com/

This is probably way, way more than you wanted to hear (and my apologies to
the other members of the list). In summary, depending on your needs, the
clean-lined simplicity of Foxmail may be just the ticket and it's free. On
the other hand, Calypso can expand as your e-mail needs require and is
actually worth its price.

A - Calypso-ing when not shovelling in Canada 

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[codehead]

There's two other considerations about which mail program to use:

1.  Is it secure?  Does it have a nasty tendency toward being 
infiltrated by viruses or trojans?  If you choose Outlook or Outlook 
Express, you're not just asking for trouble, you're rolling out a red 
carpet for it, and sending engraved invitations.  Eudora is somewhat 
more secure, but there have been several different reported 
infectious agents.  Most other mailers are ignored, for various 
reasons.

I use Pegasus myself.  Because of its structure, it has proven immune 
to everything so far.  However, it's HTML rendering is far from 
robust.  So if you have correspondents who are rudely mailing HTML 
pages as mail, you may not be able to read their scratches.  (Better 
to encourage them not to do it, anyway.)

2.  Can it be interfaced to encryption software?  PGP can be 
interfaced very easily to both Outlook and Eudora.  There is a free 
third-party plug-in for Pegasus that is so-so.  To find out if there 
is a plug-in for other mailers, please look at 
http://www.pgpi.org/products/tools/search/ for more info.

In a day and age where spying on people's email is becoming ever more 
common, this is something that should be considered.  In my own 
experience, once committed to a email program, it's very hard or 
impossible to convert all the saved messages to another program.  So 
choose wisely.

E.

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Alan S. Harrell]

Good morning, Emily. :-)

On 19 Apr 2001, at 4:18, you posted to seeknfind:

> 2.  Can it be interfaced to encryption software?  PGP can be 
> interfaced very easily to both Outlook and Eudora.  There is a free
> third-party plug-in for Pegasus that is so-so.  To find out if there
> is a plug-in for other mailers, please look at
> http://www.pgpi.org/products/tools/search/ for more info.

What plugin do you use?

Get my Pub Key by sending a blank message to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Alan

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

Will check this one out too! Thanks Gleason!  Hope it's OK to have more than 
one client!  I have plans on a main one and a back up.

KM


In a message dated 4/19/01 4:35:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> You may also want to checkout POCO:   http://www.pocomail.com
>  
>  It is very easy to setup, excellant mail filters... 
>  A new, and greatly improved version is expected to be released shortly. 
>  

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

I will respond to each "Finder's" reply individually. 
I haven't forgotten to reply and/or thank you, just running low on time this 
morning.


Cheers

KM

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Gleason Sackmann]

Yep, it sure it.

I use Outlook 2000, and also Eudora 5.1 and have very few problems.

The fact that you can export files from one to the other makes it easy.




On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 08:46:44 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Will check this one out too! Thanks Gleason! Hope it's OK to have more than
 one client! I have plans on a main one and a back up.

KM


In a message dated 4/19/01 4:35:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>You may also want to checkout POCO: http://www.pocomail.com
>
>It is very easy to setup, excellant mail filters...
 >A new, and greatly improved version is expected to be released shortly.
 >

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Seeker]

On 19 Apr 2001, 4:18 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I use Pegasus myself.  Because of its structure, it has proven immune to
> everything so far.  However, it's HTML rendering is far from robust.  So if
> you have correspondents who are rudely mailing HTML pages as mail, you may
> not be able to read their scratches.  (Better to encourage them not to do
> it, anyway.)

HTML is going to work just fine in version 4 of Pegasus Mail.

> 
> 2.  Can it be interfaced to encryption software?  PGP can be 
> interfaced very easily to both Outlook and Eudora.  There is a free 
> third-party plug-in for Pegasus that is so-so.  To find out if there 
> is a plug-in for other mailers, please look at 
> http://www.pgpi.org/products/tools/search/ for more info.

You can get QDPGP for Pegasus Mail  here:

http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html

http://members.tripod.com/~grt/qdpgp.zip

Note that this will only work with PGP 658 since the author  has been 
unable to obtain the source for any versions after 658.  That may be ok 
anyway since NAI is not releasing the source code we have no way to 
check those versions for backdoors.



Dennis

Once seen on road signs all over the United States
He always used
A steaming towel
And mug and brush
And language foul
'Til he tried
Burma-Shave

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

Cool...thanks


In a message dated 4/20/01 9:17:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Yep, it sure it.
>  
>  I use Outlook 2000, and also Eudora 5.1 and have very few problems.  
>  The fact that you can export files from one to the other makes it easy.  
>  

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

Thanks Marsha!  :o)

In a message dated 4/19/01 6:54:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Good luck to you in chosing a new mailer.  I hope I get my old one back.
>  (grin)
>  
>  Regards, Marsha Graham

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

Like that desert southwest rodent, I'm attracted to bright shiney objects. 
:o)  
Any email clients with exchangeable skins??


In a message dated 4/20/01 2:29:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Take a glance at  
>  http://www.5star-shareware.com/Internet/Email-Clients/Email-Clients1.html  
>  There are quite a lot ;-)  
>  ~alan

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

In a message dated 4/20/01 1:30:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>>  I am proceeding on the starry-eyed assumption that you have or will have 
multiple POP accounts and therefore require an e-mail client that offers such 
support. There are a number of them out there, as well as lists of both 
freeware and shareware email applications.  <<

What are you asking me? Do I have more than one email address that I wish for 
the email client to check? Yes Or do I have more than one user who will be 
checking their email? NO.  So far, I have set up Pegasus as a ONE USER 
PROFILE.  I guess I need to configure it to retrieve both of my POP email 
accounts. Which means I'll have to set it up for multiple user accounts, 
right? hmm

>>  There's another free e-mail client that supports multiple accounts called 
"Poco" which has won a number of awards and was mentioned earlier on this 
thread. <<

Checking into that this weekend. 

>>  However, for ease of setup and operation, Foxmail is a model of 
simplicity. The author's homepage has not been available for the past few 
months, so it is becoming difficult to find a software list site that 
actually has this programme on its servers, instead of a now defunct link to 
the author's homepage. However, this one appears to be working: 
http://5star.freeserve.com/Internet/Email-Clients/foxmail-download.html <<
Does the fact that the author's page is defunct usually equate with this 
software not going to be stable or serviceable much longer?  I'd hate to get 
it, use it, like it, then have to give it up for lack of support and 
upgrades.  Know what I mean?

>> Saving the best (IMHO) for last, there's the little known but terrific 
e-mail client, "Calypso".  ..  (If I'm surfing while 
Calypso is doing a "mail run" a chorus of 'Hallelujah' informs me that my old 
college roommate has finally written,
 while messages arriving from "SeeknFind" are announced by Jimmy Buffet 
singing "the mail boat's in")   http://www.calypsoemail.com/  <<

I'm not totally adverse to paying for a good client.  But it has to be 
GOOOD, easy and really really cool for me to shell out some moolah.  But 
if it's worth it, I'd pay in a heartbeat.  :o)

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

hm I would not want messages to be deleted until I told the server 
that I was done with them.  I'd ask that they be put into the "mail read" 
folder, but NOT deleted.

We all like "free"  :o)

Whay do you mean by "It does not allow setting up more than one SMTP server 
at a time." ?




In a message dated 4/20/01 11:12:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I was not checking mail for a couple of days, hence could not catch this 
thread earlier.
>  I myself use 'FoxMail', a good and simple email client in my opinion.
>  I like the following features of this software : 
>  1. It fetches one message and deletes it from server, then only fetches 
the next message.
>  Outlook Express fetches all messages and then only deletes them from 
server.
>  It may not be a problem for you, but to me, due to disconnection 
problems, counts very much.  
>  2. It let you see and delete messages from the server before downloading, 
if  necessary.  
>  3. It tells you after downloading, how many messages were downloaded to  
whichever folders.  
>  4. It is freeware.
>  
>  But I have one argument against FoxMail : 
>  1. It does not allow setting up more than one SMTP server at a time.

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[A.M. Holm]

On 4/20/01 at 10:29 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Like that desert southwest rodent, I'm attracted to bright shiney objects.

>:o)  
>Any email clients with exchangeable skins??

When I mentioned that Poco had a "snazzy" interface, that's what I was
referring to among other things. One screenshot is worth a thousand words.
 ;>)

A - in Canada 

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Seeker]

On 20 Apr 2001, 23:03 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



>  So far, I have set up Pegasus as
> a ONE USER PROFILE.  I guess I need to configure it to retrieve both of
> my POP email accounts. Which means I'll have to set it up for multiple
> user accounts, right? hmm

To do that see this page:

http://www.pmail.com/faqs/faqs_wsi.htm

Dennis

Once seen on road signs all over the United States
A guy
Who wants
To middle-aisle it
Must never scratch
His little violet
Burma-Shave

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

::big sigh of relief when I SHOULD be more concerned about getting the 
program to actually work:::

In a message dated 4/20/01 11:24:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

When I mentioned that Poco had a "snazzy" interface, that's what I was 
referring to among other things. One screenshot is worth a thousand words.  
;>)
>  
>  A - in Canada 

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Gleason Sackmann]

POCO has exchangeable skins:
http://www.pocomail.com



On Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:29:01 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Like that desert southwest rodent, I'm attracted to bright shiney objects.
 :o)
 Any email clients with exchangeable skins??


In a message dated 4/20/01 2:29:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>Take a glance at
 >http://www.5star-shareware.com/Internet/Email-Clients/Email-Clients1.html
 >There are quite a lot ;-)
 >~alan

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Ed Bockelman]

E-mail remover is a separate program that allows this option.  You can set it up to 
launch your
e-mail client afterwards.

http://eremover.bizhosting.com/

Highly recommended, no matter which e-mail client you use with it.

Ed

> 2. It let you see and delete messages from the server before downloading, if 
>necessary.

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Seeker]

On 20 Apr 2001, 20:51 Ed Bockelman wrote:

> E-mail remover is a separate program that allows this option.  You can set
> it up to launch your e-mail client afterwards.
> 
> http://eremover.bizhosting.com/
> 
> Highly recommended, no matter which e-mail client you use with it.
> 
> Ed
> 
> > 2. It let you see and delete messages from the server before downloading,
> > if necessary.
> 
> 

Pegasus Mail will do this also.


Dennis

Tis more blessed to give than to receive; for example, wedding presents.-H. L. Mencken

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[A.M. Holm]

On 4/20/01 at 11:03 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>In a message dated 4/20/01 1:30:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> I am proceeding on the starry-eyed assumption that you have or will have

>>multiple POP accounts and therefore require an e-mail client that offers
such 
>>support. 
>
>What are you asking me? Do I have more than one email address that I wish
for 
>the email client to check? Yes Or do I have more than one user who will be

>checking their email? NO.  

I was assuming the former rather than the latter.

>So far, I have set up Pegasus as a ONE USER 
>PROFILE.  I guess I need to configure it to retrieve both of my POP email 
>accounts. Which means I'll have to set it up for multiple user accounts, 
>right? hmm

>> There's another free e-mail client that supports multiple accounts
called 
>>"Poco" which has won a number of awards and was mentioned earlier on this

>thread. 

>Checking into that this weekend. 

>Does the fact that the author's page is defunct usually equate with this 
>software not going to be stable or serviceable much longer?  I'd hate to
get 
>it, use it, like it, then have to give it up for lack of support and 
>upgrades.  Know what I mean?

Foxtail is already quite stable. The author (Zang XiaoLong) is Chinese and
did an English version after the Chinese one. The current English version
is 2.1 but he has released version 3 in Chinese. Version 3 is supposed to
provide support for multiple SMTP servers among other things. Version 2.1
allows sending from only one account but can retrieve from multiple POPs

>> Saving the best (IMHO) for last, there's the little known but terrific 
>>e-mail client, "Calypso"

>I'm not totally adverse to paying for a good client.  But it has to be 
>GOOOD, easy and really really cool for me to shell out some moolah.
But 
>if it's worth it, I'd pay in a heartbeat.  :o)

Try out all the likely candidates; that's what I did - virtually everything
is available for at least a 30 day trial if it's shareware. I went down
this path about six months ago and left no stone unturned or in this case,
e-mail client. From A-K Mail, Allegro Mail, Becky, Canine Mail, Vista Mail,
Connexion (whew - what a horror!) Transsoft Mail, Mail Warrior, Ezmail,
Pegasus, The Bat! Mail Navigator, Acorn Mail, Eudora, Poco, Phoenix and
finally to Calypso. (I even toyed briefly with Outlook Express but
abandoned it almost immediately as much too prone to virus attacks.) I am
somewhat tight-fisted  ;>) and it takes a lot to persuade me to part with
my pennies but Calypso is so easy to use and has such a multitude of
features that I felt it was worth the money.

Setting up multiple accounts in Pegasus is not for the faint-hearted but in
Calypso, one doesn't have to have "personalities", one simply adds another
account. All accounts can be polled during an automatic 'mail run' or only
some.

The archival feature is also extremely useful as the messages that one
can't bear to part with begin to insidiously mount up adding MB after MB. I
thought that archiving might be a bit tricky but like virtually everything
in Calypso, it is a breeze to do. The filtering system is also terrific,
capable of filtering both outgoing and incoming mail and creating a folder
for a specific filter 'on the fly'.

I hope that you can find the time to try it.

A - parsimonious in Canada

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Mayan Avitable]

At 10:29 PM 4/20/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Any email clients with exchangeable skins??
>
>Not that I am aware of, but I did see a silver-plated mouse on Red Envelope

Mayan  Avitable
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Ed Bockelman]

OK, now here's a first.  Eudora has stymied me between download and install.

I've d/l'ed two different Eudora archives, and both of them ask me for a
password before it will let me extract the install program.  Nowhere on the
site does it say I'll need a password to install it.

Have you encountered this problem?  How the heck do I install this thing?

Help!

Ed

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[codehead]

"Seeker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> On 19 Apr 2001, 4:18 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > I use Pegasus myself.  Because of its structure, it has proven immune to
> > everything so far.  However, it's HTML rendering is far from robust.  So if
> > you have correspondents who are rudely mailing HTML pages as mail, you may
> > not be able to read their scratches.  (Better to encourage them not to do
> > it, anyway.)
> 
> HTML is going to work just fine in version 4 of Pegasus Mail.

It would be a pleasant surprise if so.  Occasionally, someone will 
send an ill-formed HTML page that causes the current version to 
crash.  It only happens about once every two or three months, an 
average of about one occurrence per 30,000 messages, but it's still 
an annoyance considering that it tends to require a reboot when it 
does.

> > 2.  Can it be interfaced to encryption software?  PGP can be 
> > interfaced very easily to both Outlook and Eudora.  There is a free 
> > third-party plug-in for Pegasus that is so-so.  To find out if there 
> > is a plug-in for other mailers, please look at 
> > http://www.pgpi.org/products/tools/search/ for more info.
> 
> You can get QDPGP for Pegasus Mail  here:
> 
> http://community.wow.net/grt/qdpgp.html
> 
> http://members.tripod.com/~grt/qdpgp.zip
> 
> Note that this will only work with PGP 658 since the author  has been 
> unable to obtain the source for any versions after 658.  That may be ok 
> anyway since NAI is not releasing the source code we have no way to 
> check those versions for backdoors.

NAI will, according to both their own news releases and Phil 
Zimmerman himself, publish the source code to version 7.0.3.  NAI 
typically does not publish the source code immediately on product 
release, but usually takes three to six months after release to 
publish the code.

Much of the reason for this delay is to clean up the notes, comments, 
and formatting problems that code tends to acquire in the rush before 
each release.  I'm sure that anyone on this list who writes software 
for a living can appreciate how some notes and comments that are 
added to a program really shouldn't be published, or how inconsistent 
code formatting can become when several people are furiously working 
to get a product out.  With the PGP source code printout now well 
over the 5,000 page mark, it does take some real time to go through 
the code carefully.

So it's not quite the case that NAI will not be releasing the source 
code for at least one later version.  They are merely following the 
same practice that they have ever snce acquiring PGP.

Emily Sandblade
Founder, Seattle cypherpunks

PGP 5.x key available on public keyservers
PGP Key ID:  0xBD5A33C8
PGP Fingerprint:  75D8 FEE6 4D0D 11EA 69E5  4FE6 4DEA 19F9 BD5A 33C8

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

Ahhh OK Sorry, It was late when I wrote that email. I re-read it after 5 
hours of sleep, and it actually made complete sense the first time.  :o)  
Thanks!  

In a message dated 4/21/01 12:37:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> In FoxMail, you can set up any number of POP3 accounts, but you can not 
setup
>  SMTP servers for sending mail with each of these accounts. Only one SMTP 
> server.
>  I hope that clarifies.
>  
>  Regards,
>  Sajeev.

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[PeaceNsolace]

In a message dated 4/21/01 12:41:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>>  I hope that you can find the time to try it.  <<

I plan on trying it, for sure. But odd how noone else has sung its praises. 
Does anyone else on the this list have Calypso?

>>  A - parsimonious in Canada  <<

::snicker::   Parsimonious...hahaha

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[A.M. Holm]

On 4/21/01 at 8:58 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>I plan on trying it, for sure. But odd how noone else has sung its
praises. 
>Does anyone else on the this list have Calypso?

1.) I seem to recall that there are over 30,000 Windows programmes - some
of the good ones are bound to slip under the radar.

2.) No one else on the list is an "obsessive-compulsive". ;>)

(I'm like this about word processing applications, too. Anyone using
Atlantis Nova? No? How about Suite 602? Guess not.)

There's a Calypso mailing list for other obsessive-compulsive types at
'yahoo groups'.

A - feeling neurotic in Canada 

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Seeker]

On 21 Apr 2001, 11:10 A.M. Holm wrote:

> (I'm like this about word processing applications, too. Anyone using
> Atlantis Nova? 

I have Atlantis Ocean,  does that count? :-

Dennis

Once seen on road signs all over the United States
If anything
Will please
Your Jill
A little jack
For this jar will
Burma-Shave

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Mayan Avitable]

I didn't have the same experience with Eudora. I did have another question 
about it and found sending a question to them by email got a pretty fast reply.



At 11:31 PM 4/20/01 -0700, you wrote:
>OK, now here's a first.  Eudora has stymied me between download and install.
>
>I've d/l'ed two different Eudora archives, and both of them ask me for a
>password before it will let me extract the install program.  Nowhere on the
>site does it say I'll need a password to install it.
>
>Have you encountered this problem?  How the heck do I install this thing?
>
>Help!
>
>Ed

Mayan  Avitable
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Marsha Graham]

I'm sorry, I can no longer remember, which email clients can be set up to
download mail from web based accounts?

Regards,
Marsha

- Original Message -
From: Mayan Avitable <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, April 21, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients


> I didn't have the same experience with Eudora. I did have another question
> about it and found sending a question to them by email got a pretty fast
reply.
>
>
>
> At 11:31 PM 4/20/01 -0700, you wrote:
> >OK, now here's a first.  Eudora has stymied me between download and
install.
> >
> >I've d/l'ed two different Eudora archives, and both of them ask me for a
> >password before it will let me extract the install program.  Nowhere on
the
> >site does it say I'll need a password to install it.
> >
> >Have you encountered this problem?  How the heck do I install this thing?
> >
> >Help!
> >
> >Ed
>
> Mayan  Avitable
> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>

Re: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Sajeev Cholayil]

Hello Peace,
I was not checking mail for a couple of days, hence could not catch this thread 
earlier.
I myself use 'FoxMail', a good and simple email client in my opinion.

I like the following features of this software :

1. It fetches one message and deletes it from server, then only fetches the next 
message.
Outlook Express fetches all messages and then only deletes them from server.
It may not be a problem for you, but to me, due to disconnection problems, counts 
very much.

2. It let you see and delete messages from the server before downloading, if necessary.

3. It tells you after downloading, how many messages were downloaded to whichever 
folders.

4. It is freeware.

But I have one argument against FoxMail :

1. It does not allow setting up more than one SMTP server at a time.

Regards,

Sajeev

Re: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients

[Sajeev Cholayil]

Hello Peace,

At 20/04/2001 11:20:00 PM, you wrote:
>Whay do you mean by "It does not allow setting up more than one SMTP server 
>at a time." ?

In FoxMail, you can set up any number of POP3 accounts, but you can not setup
SMTP servers for sending mail with each of these accounts. Only one SMTP server.
I hope that clarifies.

Regards,
Sajeev.


>
>
>
>
>In a message dated 4/20/01 11:12:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> I was not checking mail for a couple of days, hence could not catch this 
>thread earlier.
>>  I myself use 'FoxMail', a good and simple email client in my opinion.
>>  I like the following features of this software : 
>>  1. It fetches one message and deletes it from server, then only fetches 
>the next message.
>>  Outlook Express fetches all messages and then only deletes them from 
>server.
>>  It may not be a problem for you, but to me, due to disconnection 
>problems, counts very much.  
>>  2. It let you see and delete messages from the server before downloading, 
>if  necessary.  
>>  3. It tells you after downloading, how many messages were downloaded to  
>whichever folders.  
>>  4. It is freeware.
>>  
>>  But I have one argument against FoxMail : 
>>  1. It does not allow setting up more than one SMTP server at a time.
>

Eudora Install probs - (was: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients)

[Alan S. Harrell]

On 20 Apr 2001, at 23:31, Ed Bockelman wrote:

> OK, now here's a first.  Eudora has stymied me between download and
> install.
> 
> I've d/l'ed two different Eudora archives, and both of them ask me for
> a password before it will let me extract the install program.  Nowhere
> on the site does it say I'll need a password to install it.
> 
> Have you encountered this problem?  How the heck do I install this
> thing?

Shut down virus scanner; firewall; and scream_saver and anything else 
stubborn you have running in the background and then try to install 
that sucker again. 

And BTW...I did do a seeknfind for this answer but the URLs would be 
too complicated to report.  I got help at help.com. :-)

If that does not work, try installing in Safe Mode.


Alan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Eudora Install probs - (was: Re: [SaF] Opinions On Email Clients)

[Ed Bockelman]

Thanks for the suggestions.  I couldn't get the sucker to
install by
double-clicking the .exe or by using InControl.  However, I
tried using the
install feature of Add/Remove Programs and it worked.

Very strange.

Ed

"Alan S. Harrell" wrote:

> On 20 Apr 2001, at 23:31, Ed Bockelman wrote:
>
> > OK, now here's a first.  Eudora has stymied me between download and
> > install.
> >
> > I've d/l'ed two different Eudora archives, and both of them ask me for
> > a password before it will let me extract the install program.  Nowhere
> > on the site does it say I'll need a password to install it.
> >
> > Have you encountered this problem?  How the heck do I install this
> > thing?
>
> Shut down virus scanner; firewall; and scream_saver and anything else
> stubborn you have running in the background and then try to install
> that sucker again.
>
> And BTW...I did do a seeknfind for this answer but the URLs would be
> too complicated to report.  I got help at help.com. :-)
>
> If that does not work, try installing in Safe Mode.
>
> Alan
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]