Re: [SMW-devel] Status of faceted search for SMW

2013-08-16 Thread David H. Mason

hi Joel,

For your consideration, ElasticSearch also supports geospatial features. It
will certainly make people's lives easier to support just one indexing system.
I ported a system from Solr to ElasticSearch in less than one day.

David 

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 02:53:44PM -0400, Joel Natividad wrote:
>Hi folks,
>We're also salvaging Enhanced Retrieval from the SMW+ project and
>upgrading Solr to the latest version to take advantage of Solr geospatial
>support. A We aim to give it back to the community before SMWCon Fall
>2013.
>Best,
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>On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Yury Katkov 
>wrote:
> 
>  Hi guys!A 
>  Year after year I listen and read about various teams working on their
>  implementations of filtered/faceted search for Semantic MediaWiki.
>  A Does anyone has the results that don't require patching the core?
>  Something like that maybe?A http://i.imgur.com/pwNmMiq.png
>  Cheers!A 
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Re: [SMW-devel] Status of faceted search for SMW

2013-08-16 Thread Joel Natividad
Hi folks,
We're also salvaging Enhanced Retrieval from the SMW+ project and upgrading
Solr to the latest version to take advantage of Solr geospatial support.
 We aim to give it back to the community before SMWCon Fall 2013.

Best,
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Yury Katkov  wrote:

> Hi guys!
>
> Year after year I listen and read about various teams working on their
> implementations of filtered/faceted search for Semantic MediaWiki.  Does
> anyone has the results that don't require patching the core? Something like
> that maybe? http://i.imgur.com/pwNmMiq.png
>
> Cheers!
> -
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>
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Re: [SMW-devel] [Semediawiki-user] Status of faceted search for SMW

2013-08-16 Thread David H. Mason

Yes, ElasticSearch supports facets
http://www.elasticsearch.org/guide/reference/api/search/facets/ and, being
built on Lucene (like Solr), it's a very good full-text search engine with
considerable language facilities.

It's very easy to work with and I'm happy that WMF has selected it (if only
it were a triple store, though there is https://github.com/lobid/lodmill it's
too much for most installs. But IMO there would still be huge advantages for
SMW to take advantage of ES along with Javascript/API development). 

David

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 06:15:48PM +0400, Yury Katkov wrote:
> hmmm? Is it likely to meet (2) requirement?
> 
> > 2) It must include filters (facets) that works together with good
> > full-text search engine.
> -
> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:37 PM, David H. Mason
>  wrote:
> >
> > You may want to wait until WMF selects a search solution:
> > http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Search
> >
> > That way people won't have to set up Solr & whatever else is selected, if 
> > it's not
> > Solr. (I'm hoping for ElasticSearch, which is also based on Lucene and is
> > currently a little easier to manage, though they're both quite simple these
> > days).
> >
> > The addition of decent search for MW/SMW will be very much welcome, as would
> > interactive faceted search. I would be able to help with front end 
> > (Javascript)
> > work on this. I've already written custom facetted search for MW using Solr.
> > But ideally it will work with existing Semantic Result Formats without 
> > hacks.
> >
> > David
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 05:26:30PM +0400, Yury Katkov wrote:
> >> Hi Yaron!
> >>
> >> My basic requirement for faceted search is that it must be a faceted
> >> search, that is:
> >>
> >> 1) It must include good full-text search engine. Ideally with
> >> morphology support. Super ideally - with some fancy things like search
> >> query analysis and adaptive algorithms.
> >> 2) It must include filters (facets) that works together with good
> >> full-text search engine.
> >>
> >> it seems that Drilldown, Miga and filtered don't have (1). I'm trying
> >> SolrSearch now.
> >> -
> >> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Yaron Koren  wrote:
> >> > Hi Yury,
> >> >
> >> > There are, of course, a number of existing faceted search solutions that
> >> > don't require any patches:
> >> >
> >> > - The Semantic Drilldown extension
> >> > - The Special:RunQuery page of Semantic Forms
> >> > - The "filtered" result format in Semantic Result Formats (I'm assuming 
> >> > it
> >> > still works, though I don't know)
> >> > - The SolrStore extension (again, I assume it works)
> >> > - Miga (http://migadv.com) - not a MediaWiki extension, but can be used 
> >> > to
> >> > provide a faceted search interface for SMW data
> >> >
> >> > My guess is that you have some specific interface requirement, like that 
> >> > it
> >> > should look like Exhibit, but I don't know.
> >> >
> >> > -Yaron
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Yury Katkov  
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi guys!
> >> >>
> >> >> Year after year I listen and read about various teams working on their
> >> >> implementations of filtered/faceted search for Semantic MediaWiki.  Does
> >> >> anyone has the results that don't require patching the core? Something
> >> >> like
> >> >> that maybe? http://i.imgur.com/pwNmMiq.png
> >> >>
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Re: [SMW-devel] [Semediawiki-user] Status of faceted search for SMW

2013-08-16 Thread Yury Katkov
hmmm? Is it likely to meet (2) requirement?

> 2) It must include filters (facets) that works together with good
> full-text search engine.
-
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On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 5:37 PM, David H. Mason
 wrote:
>
> You may want to wait until WMF selects a search solution:
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Search
>
> That way people won't have to set up Solr & whatever else is selected, if 
> it's not
> Solr. (I'm hoping for ElasticSearch, which is also based on Lucene and is
> currently a little easier to manage, though they're both quite simple these
> days).
>
> The addition of decent search for MW/SMW will be very much welcome, as would
> interactive faceted search. I would be able to help with front end 
> (Javascript)
> work on this. I've already written custom facetted search for MW using Solr.
> But ideally it will work with existing Semantic Result Formats without hacks.
>
> David
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 05:26:30PM +0400, Yury Katkov wrote:
>> Hi Yaron!
>>
>> My basic requirement for faceted search is that it must be a faceted
>> search, that is:
>>
>> 1) It must include good full-text search engine. Ideally with
>> morphology support. Super ideally - with some fancy things like search
>> query analysis and adaptive algorithms.
>> 2) It must include filters (facets) that works together with good
>> full-text search engine.
>>
>> it seems that Drilldown, Miga and filtered don't have (1). I'm trying
>> SolrSearch now.
>> -
>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Yaron Koren  wrote:
>> > Hi Yury,
>> >
>> > There are, of course, a number of existing faceted search solutions that
>> > don't require any patches:
>> >
>> > - The Semantic Drilldown extension
>> > - The Special:RunQuery page of Semantic Forms
>> > - The "filtered" result format in Semantic Result Formats (I'm assuming it
>> > still works, though I don't know)
>> > - The SolrStore extension (again, I assume it works)
>> > - Miga (http://migadv.com) - not a MediaWiki extension, but can be used to
>> > provide a faceted search interface for SMW data
>> >
>> > My guess is that you have some specific interface requirement, like that it
>> > should look like Exhibit, but I don't know.
>> >
>> > -Yaron
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Yury Katkov  
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi guys!
>> >>
>> >> Year after year I listen and read about various teams working on their
>> >> implementations of filtered/faceted search for Semantic MediaWiki.  Does
>> >> anyone has the results that don't require patching the core? Something
>> >> like
>> >> that maybe? http://i.imgur.com/pwNmMiq.png
>> >>
>> >> Cheers!
>> >> -
>> >> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
>> >>
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Re: [SMW-devel] [Semediawiki-user] Status of faceted search for SMW

2013-08-16 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 08/16/2013 09:37 AM, David H. Mason wrote:
> You may want to wait until WMF selects a search solution:
> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Search 
> 
> That way people won't have to set up Solr & whatever else is selected, if 
> it's not
> Solr. (I'm hoping for ElasticSearch, which is also based on Lucene and is
> currently a little easier to manage, though they're both quite simple these
> days)

Just today there was a thread that announced ElasticSearch is what
they've settled on and put up on test2:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical/71994

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Re: [SMW-devel] [Semediawiki-user] Status of faceted search for SMW

2013-08-16 Thread David H. Mason

You may want to wait until WMF selects a search solution:
http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Search 

That way people won't have to set up Solr & whatever else is selected, if it's 
not
Solr. (I'm hoping for ElasticSearch, which is also based on Lucene and is
currently a little easier to manage, though they're both quite simple these
days).

The addition of decent search for MW/SMW will be very much welcome, as would
interactive faceted search. I would be able to help with front end (Javascript)
work on this. I've already written custom facetted search for MW using Solr.
But ideally it will work with existing Semantic Result Formats without hacks.

David

On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 05:26:30PM +0400, Yury Katkov wrote:
> Hi Yaron!
> 
> My basic requirement for faceted search is that it must be a faceted
> search, that is:
> 
> 1) It must include good full-text search engine. Ideally with
> morphology support. Super ideally - with some fancy things like search
> query analysis and adaptive algorithms.
> 2) It must include filters (facets) that works together with good
> full-text search engine.
> 
> it seems that Drilldown, Miga and filtered don't have (1). I'm trying
> SolrSearch now.
> -
> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Yaron Koren  wrote:
> > Hi Yury,
> >
> > There are, of course, a number of existing faceted search solutions that
> > don't require any patches:
> >
> > - The Semantic Drilldown extension
> > - The Special:RunQuery page of Semantic Forms
> > - The "filtered" result format in Semantic Result Formats (I'm assuming it
> > still works, though I don't know)
> > - The SolrStore extension (again, I assume it works)
> > - Miga (http://migadv.com) - not a MediaWiki extension, but can be used to
> > provide a faceted search interface for SMW data
> >
> > My guess is that you have some specific interface requirement, like that it
> > should look like Exhibit, but I don't know.
> >
> > -Yaron
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Yury Katkov  wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi guys!
> >>
> >> Year after year I listen and read about various teams working on their
> >> implementations of filtered/faceted search for Semantic MediaWiki.  Does
> >> anyone has the results that don't require patching the core? Something
> >> like
> >> that maybe? http://i.imgur.com/pwNmMiq.png
> >>
> >> Cheers!
> >> -
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> >>
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Re: [SMW-devel] [Semediawiki-user] Status of faceted search for SMW

2013-08-16 Thread Yury Katkov
Hi Yaron!

My basic requirement for faceted search is that it must be a faceted
search, that is:

1) It must include good full-text search engine. Ideally with
morphology support. Super ideally - with some fancy things like search
query analysis and adaptive algorithms.
2) It must include filters (facets) that works together with good
full-text search engine.

it seems that Drilldown, Miga and filtered don't have (1). I'm trying
SolrSearch now.
-
Yury Katkov, WikiVote



On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Yaron Koren  wrote:
> Hi Yury,
>
> There are, of course, a number of existing faceted search solutions that
> don't require any patches:
>
> - The Semantic Drilldown extension
> - The Special:RunQuery page of Semantic Forms
> - The "filtered" result format in Semantic Result Formats (I'm assuming it
> still works, though I don't know)
> - The SolrStore extension (again, I assume it works)
> - Miga (http://migadv.com) - not a MediaWiki extension, but can be used to
> provide a faceted search interface for SMW data
>
> My guess is that you have some specific interface requirement, like that it
> should look like Exhibit, but I don't know.
>
> -Yaron
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Yury Katkov  wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys!
>>
>> Year after year I listen and read about various teams working on their
>> implementations of filtered/faceted search for Semantic MediaWiki.  Does
>> anyone has the results that don't require patching the core? Something
>> like
>> that maybe? http://i.imgur.com/pwNmMiq.png
>>
>> Cheers!
>> -
>> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
>>
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Re: [SMW-devel] Status of faceted search for SMW

2013-08-16 Thread Lists
Hi,


I was workiing with SMWPlus and still work with SMW Classic for customers
since several years now. I also had build a search engine for MW and
optimized the install process for Solr and SMWPlus together with Ontoprise.
>From my perspective canceling the "Prototype.js-dependency" would be the
FIRST requirement to get something for production long term maintainable.
The coresponding SMWPlus-code looks some how weired and complex. I would
guess building a complete new solution based on Solr would be easier and
more robust- so the better approach... although looking what Ontoprise did
in some situations would help.

c u stevie

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Von: Nico Frieling [mailto:argb...@gmx.de] 
Gesendet: Freitag, 16. August 2013 09:17
An: Yury Katkov
Cc: SMW developer list; Semantic MediaWiki users
Betreff: Re: [SMW-devel] Status of faceted search for SMW

Hi Yuri,
 
I am trying hard on getting the main features of former SMW+ extension
Enhanced Retrieval to work again. Currently, solr-based indexing works via
solr dataimporthandler and the search page offers facetting based on
ajax-solr, although it looks kind of ugly, as in my wiki it mainly shows
template calls. My main problem is my lack of knowledge concerning
Javascript and its dependencies towards Ontoprise's ScriptManager, which
causes problems between jQuery and Prototype.js in other contexts like
Semantic Result Formats.
 
I plan to submit it to the community in the next weeks. See also at
http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/OntoLTS
 
Regards
 
Nico
  
Gesendet: Freitag, 16. August 2013 um 08:11 Uhr
Von: "Yury Katkov" 
An: "Semantic MediaWiki users" ,
"SMW developer list" 
Betreff: [SMW-devel] Status of faceted search for SMW Hi guys!  
 
Year after year I listen and read about various teams working on their
implementations of filtered/faceted search for Semantic MediaWiki.  Does
anyone has the results that don't require patching the core? Something like
that maybe? http://i.imgur.com/pwNmMiq.png
 
Cheers!  
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Re: [SMW-devel] [Semediawiki-user] Status of faceted search for SMW

2013-08-16 Thread Yaron Koren
Hi Yury,

There are, of course, a number of existing faceted search solutions that
don't require any patches:

- The Semantic Drilldown extension
- The Special:RunQuery page of Semantic Forms
- The "filtered" result format in Semantic Result Formats (I'm assuming it
still works, though I don't know)
- The SolrStore extension (again, I assume it works)
- Miga (http://migadv.com) - not a MediaWiki extension, but can be used to
provide a faceted search interface for SMW data

My guess is that you have some specific interface requirement, like that it
should look like Exhibit, but I don't know.

-Yaron


On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:11 AM, Yury Katkov  wrote:

> Hi guys!
>
> Year after year I listen and read about various teams working on their
> implementations of filtered/faceted search for Semantic MediaWiki.  Does
> anyone has the results that don't require patching the core? Something like
> that maybe? http://i.imgur.com/pwNmMiq.png
>
> Cheers!
> -
> Yury Katkov, WikiVote
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Re: [SMW-devel] Status of faceted search for SMW

2013-08-16 Thread Nico Frieling


Hi Yuri,
 
I am trying hard on getting the main features of former SMW+ extension Enhanced Retrieval to work again. Currently, solr-based indexing works via solr dataimporthandler and the search page offers facetting based on ajax-solr, although it looks kind of ugly, as in my wiki it mainly shows template calls. My main problem is my lack of knowledge concerning _javascript_ and its dependencies towards Ontoprise's ScriptManager, which causes problems between jQuery and Prototype.js in other contexts like Semantic Result Formats.
 

I plan to submit it to the community in the next weeks. See also at http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/OntoLTS

 

Regards

 

Nico

 

Gesendet: Freitag, 16. August 2013 um 08:11 Uhr
Von: "Yury Katkov" 
An: "Semantic MediaWiki users" , "SMW developer list" 
Betreff: [SMW-devel] Status of faceted search for SMW


Hi guys! 
 

Year after year I listen and read about various teams working on their implementations of filtered/faceted search for Semantic MediaWiki.  Does anyone has the results that don't require patching the core? Something like that maybe? http://i.imgur.com/pwNmMiq.png

 

Cheers! 
-
Yury Katkov, WikiVote
 







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