Re: [SMW-devel] Equivalent URI
Hi Laurent, Sorry for my late reply. Thanks for your hint, I will try that. Though, for consistency reasons, I still would like it more to simply use [[equivalent URI::XXX]] on a property page. Best, Benedikt -- AIFB, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) Phone: +49 721 608-47946 Email: benedikt.kaemp...@kit.edu Web: http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Hauptseite/en > -Original Message- > From: lalqu...@gmail.com [mailto:lalqu...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Laurent > Alquier > Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 4:21 AM > To: Jon Lang > Cc: Benedikt Kämpgen; semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [SMW-devel] Equivalent URI > > I could be missing something but you do not have to import the whole > vocabulary to map foaf:knows to a single property. > > I followed the instructions on that page and only had to define a single > property to see the right URI appear in the RDF export. > > - Laurent > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Jon Lang > wrote: > > > Benedikt Kämpgen wrote: > > > Hi Yury, Hi Laurent, > > Thanks for your answers. The thing is, I actually do not want > to import a > whole vocabulary just for "reusing" the URI foaf:knows. I > would prefer to > simply declare a property page in a wiki to have the same URI > as some other. > Whether foaf:knows is used directly (which would not > require a reasoner > afterwards to make use of the data), is linked using > owl:sameAs (which is > mostly done in Linked Data), or is linked using > owl:equivalentProperty > (which would semantically be the right thing) is not so > relevant; but would > it not make sense if equivalent URI for properties worked just > like for > regular pages (and maybe also for categories)? > > > > I'm not quite sure what you mean by that last part (about equivalent > URIs for pages and/or categories); but I wouldn't mind seeing more of OWL > implemented in SMW. In particular, how about an [[equivalent to::]] > property that is mostly equivalent to [[imported from::]], except that the > target property doesn't have to be something that was imported? In RDF, > [[equivalent to::]] would be owl:equivalentProperty. > > -- > Jonathan "Dataweaver" Lang > > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > > > > > > > -- > - Laurent Alquier > http://www.linfa.net smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- Cloud Computing - Latest Buzzword or a Glimpse of the Future? This paper surveys cloud computing today: What are the benefits? Why are businesses embracing it? What are its payoffs and pitfalls? http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sdnl/114/51425149/___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Equivalent URI
I could be missing something but you do not have to import the whole vocabulary to map foaf:knows to a single property. I followed the instructions on that page and only had to define a single property to see the right URI appear in the RDF export. - Laurent On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Jon Lang wrote: > Benedikt Kämpgen wrote: > >> Hi Yury, Hi Laurent, >> >> Thanks for your answers. The thing is, I actually do not want to import a >> whole vocabulary just for "reusing" the URI foaf:knows. I would prefer to >> simply declare a property page in a wiki to have the same URI as some >> other. >> Whether foaf:knows is used directly (which would not require a reasoner >> afterwards to make use of the data), is linked using owl:sameAs (which is >> mostly done in Linked Data), or is linked using owl:equivalentProperty >> (which would semantically be the right thing) is not so relevant; but >> would >> it not make sense if equivalent URI for properties worked just like for >> regular pages (and maybe also for categories)? >> > > I'm not quite sure what you mean by that last part (about equivalent URIs > for pages and/or categories); but I wouldn't mind seeing more of OWL > implemented in SMW. In particular, how about an [[equivalent to::]]property > that is mostly equivalent to [[imported > from::]], except that the target property doesn't have to be something > that was imported? In RDF, [[equivalent to::]] would be > owl:equivalentProperty. > > -- > Jonathan "Dataweaver" Lang > > > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > > -- - Laurent Alquier http://www.linfa.net -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Equivalent URI
Benedikt Kämpgen wrote: > Hi Yury, Hi Laurent, > > Thanks for your answers. The thing is, I actually do not want to import a > whole vocabulary just for "reusing" the URI foaf:knows. I would prefer to > simply declare a property page in a wiki to have the same URI as some > other. > Whether foaf:knows is used directly (which would not require a reasoner > afterwards to make use of the data), is linked using owl:sameAs (which is > mostly done in Linked Data), or is linked using owl:equivalentProperty > (which would semantically be the right thing) is not so relevant; but would > it not make sense if equivalent URI for properties worked just like for > regular pages (and maybe also for categories)? > I'm not quite sure what you mean by that last part (about equivalent URIs for pages and/or categories); but I wouldn't mind seeing more of OWL implemented in SMW. In particular, how about an [[equivalent to::]]property that is mostly equivalent to [[imported from::]], except that the target property doesn't have to be something that was imported? In RDF, [[equivalent to::]] would be owl:equivalentProperty. -- Jonathan "Dataweaver" Lang -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Equivalent URI
Hi Yury, Hi Laurent, Thanks for your answers. The thing is, I actually do not want to import a whole vocabulary just for "reusing" the URI foaf:knows. I would prefer to simply declare a property page in a wiki to have the same URI as some other. Whether foaf:knows is used directly (which would not require a reasoner afterwards to make use of the data), is linked using owl:sameAs (which is mostly done in Linked Data), or is linked using owl:equivalentProperty (which would semantically be the right thing) is not so relevant; but would it not make sense if equivalent URI for properties worked just like for regular pages (and maybe also for categories)? Best, Benedikt -- AIFB, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) Phone: +49 721 608-47946 Email: benedikt.kaemp...@kit.edu Web: http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Hauptseite/en > -Original Message- > From: ganqtur...@gmail.com [mailto:ganqtur...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of > Yury Katkov > Sent: Monday, November 28, 2011 8:19 AM > To: Benedikt Kämpgen > Cc: semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [SMW-devel] Equivalent URI > > Oh, I forgot to add a link to my experiment: > http://scratchpad.referata.com/wiki/Special:ExportRDF/Property:Mypropert > y > > Sincerely yours, > > Yury V. Katkov > WikiVote! llc > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Yury Katkov > wrote: > > > Hi Benedikt! > > I think it should be considered as owl:sameAs and that's all according > to documentation. If you want foaf:knows property to be inferred - you > need an inference engine or just use Import vocabulary feature. > > However when I tried to make equivalent property at Referata I > found that there is no owl:sameAs, but owl:equivalentProperty. That's > weird, is that a mistake in a documentation? > > Sincerely yours, > > Yury V. Katkov > WikiVote! llc > > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Benedikt Kämpgen > wrote: > > > Hello, > > I was wondering, if I declare a property page > "Property:Knows" in SMW > [[equivalent URI:: http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/knows] > <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/knows%5D> ], why is this not > considered in the RDF export? An equivalent relationship > between both would > be nice. A direct usage of foaf:knows in the export would > even be better. > > Regards, > > Benedikt > > -- > AIFB, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) > Phone: +49 721 608-47946 > Email: benedikt.kaemp...@kit.edu > Web: http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Hauptseite/en > > > > > > --- > --- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application > performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes > this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > > > > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Equivalent URI
Oh, I forgot to add a link to my experiment: http://scratchpad.referata.com/wiki/Special:ExportRDF/Property:Myproperty Sincerely yours, Yury V. Katkov WikiVote! llc On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Yury Katkov wrote: > Hi Benedikt! > > I think it should be considered as owl:sameAs and that's all according to > documentation. If you want foaf:knows property to be inferred - you need an > inference engine or just use Import vocabulary feature. > > However when I tried to make equivalent property at Referata I found that > there is no owl:sameAs, but owl:equivalentProperty. That's weird, is that a > mistake in a documentation? > > Sincerely yours, > > Yury V. Katkov > WikiVote! llc > > > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Benedikt Kämpgen < > benedikt.kaemp...@kit.edu> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I was wondering, if I declare a property page "Property:Knows" in SMW >> [[equivalent URI:: http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/knows]], why is this not >> considered in the RDF export? An equivalent relationship between both >> would >> be nice. A direct usage of foaf:knows in the export would even be better. >> >> Regards, >> >> Benedikt >> >> -- >> AIFB, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) >> Phone: +49 721 608-47946 >> Email: benedikt.kaemp...@kit.edu >> Web: http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Hauptseite/en >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure >> contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, >> security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this >> data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d >> ___ >> Semediawiki-devel mailing list >> Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel >> >> > -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Equivalent URI
Hi Benedikt! I think it should be considered as owl:sameAs and that's all according to documentation. If you want foaf:knows property to be inferred - you need an inference engine or just use Import vocabulary feature. However when I tried to make equivalent property at Referata I found that there is no owl:sameAs, but owl:equivalentProperty. That's weird, is that a mistake in a documentation? Sincerely yours, Yury V. Katkov WikiVote! llc On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Benedikt Kämpgen wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering, if I declare a property page "Property:Knows" in SMW > [[equivalent URI:: http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/knows]], why is this not > considered in the RDF export? An equivalent relationship between both would > be nice. A direct usage of foaf:knows in the export would even be better. > > Regards, > > Benedikt > > -- > AIFB, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) > Phone: +49 721 608-47946 > Email: benedikt.kaemp...@kit.edu > Web: http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Hauptseite/en > > > > > > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > > -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] Equivalent URI
It is possible. You just need to follow these instructions if you want to link Property:Knows to the equivalent FOAF concept. http://semantic-mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Import_vocabulary - Laurent On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Benedikt Kämpgen wrote: > Hello, > > I was wondering, if I declare a property page "Property:Knows" in SMW > [[equivalent URI:: http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/knows]], why is this not > considered in the RDF export? An equivalent relationship between both would > be nice. A direct usage of foaf:knows in the export would even be better. > > Regards, > > Benedikt > > -- > AIFB, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) > Phone: +49 721 608-47946 > Email: benedikt.kaemp...@kit.edu > Web: http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Hauptseite/en > > > > > > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Semediawiki-devel mailing list > Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel > > -- - Laurent Alquier http://www.linfa.net -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
[SMW-devel] Equivalent URI
Hello, I was wondering, if I declare a property page "Property:Knows" in SMW [[equivalent URI:: http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/knows]], why is this not considered in the RDF export? An equivalent relationship between both would be nice. A direct usage of foaf:knows in the export would even be better. Regards, Benedikt -- AIFB, Karlsruhe Institute of Technology (KIT) Phone: +49 721 608-47946 Email: benedikt.kaemp...@kit.edu Web: http://www.aifb.kit.edu/web/Hauptseite/en smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
