Re: [SMW-devel] SMW min version has changed (related to Special:Ask autocompletion)
CNIT wrote: 10.09.2010 9:05, Daniel Friesen пишет: 1.17 has a new installer being worked on, which seams to both provide installation capabilities to command line (which previously only could do upgrades), and upgrade capabilities to the web interface (which previously could only do installation), so my guess is that by the time we get something that makes extension upgrade easier we'll already have something that makes MW upgrade easier. Unless of course you decide to modify the source code... not that WordPress and the other platforms with self-upgrade similar to what you are thinking of even support such a thing... ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] Core patches are not always easy to port. Also skins are still a major problem, they are low-level PHP code, not the set of high-level templates. All of my skins are monobook-derived ones :-( Some are heavily modified. WordPress skins are the same... actually, they're worse... in WordPress the skins are horridly intermingled with globals and intermingle scope so badly if you tried to load two for any purpose they could potentially clash... (though, I would love a high-level template system... that would make my own work much nicer if all sorts of CMS systems offered that) Core patches can be re-patched most of the time. If you're not going to at least make your patches merely hooks then I don't believe it's random extension's job to support versions of MW that are no longer supported and no longer receiving security backports (1.14 is vulnerable to a number of XSS and CSRF vectors that were backported to 1.15). -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] -- Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances and start using them to simplify application deployment and accelerate your shift to cloud computing. http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] SMW min version has changed (related to Special:Ask autocompletion)
Hi, Yeah, I put in $wgOut-addExtensionStyle() in the code because I was told, via Code Review, that it was a better alternative to $wgOut-addLink(). But I (or anyone else) could switch it to addLink(), which has been around for a much longer time, if compatibility with older versions is still important. I think addExtensionStyle() was added around MW 1.14. -Yaron On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 09/09/2010 21:19, Alex Kozak wrote: I'll be devil's advocate and say I think this is somewhat unfortunate. But I do understand the reasons behind it. It's worth mentioning that sometimes upgrading MW can be expensive for an organization, but not as much for an extension. And this will be even more true when MediaWiki has an extension management interface which will allow extension upgrades without having access or the ability to upgrade the core platform. I agree -- after all, I only noticed the problem because I had old wikis running myself. But the problem seems to be minor since (1) I am the first to notice it, and (2) SMW 1.5.2 is just a minor upgrade without critical changes (such as security updates etc.), so there is not much trouble for those who are forced to stay with SMW 1.5.1 due to an old MW version. -- Markus On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 09/09/2010 18:49, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey, Do you know what the minimal MW version is that SMW supports now? I just tested SMW trunk with MW 1.15.4, and it seems to be working fine (I ran a query on Special:Ask without problems). So I'd say this is not an issue, as you should simply not be running any older MW version anyway. I agree. We still need to update our installation instructions to clarify that SMW supports only MW 1.15 and greater now. I'll send note to the user list, too. --Markus Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw * http://blog.bn2vs.com * http://wiki.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. 50 72 6F 67 72 61 6D 6D 69 6E 67 20 34 20 6C 69 66 65! -- -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- Alex Kozak Program Assistant Creative Commons -- Automate Storage Tiering Simply Optimize IT performance and efficiency through flexible, powerful, automated storage tiering capabilities. View this brief to learn how you can reduce costs and improve performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-sfdev2dev ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- WikiWorks · MediaWiki Consulting · http://wikiworks.com -- Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances and start using them to simplify application deployment and accelerate your shift to cloud computing http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] SMW min version has changed (related to Special:Ask autocompletion)
On 11/09/2010 17:33, Yaron Koren wrote: Hi, Yeah, I put in $wgOut-addExtensionStyle() in the code because I was told, via Code Review, that it was a better alternative to $wgOut-addLink(). But I (or anyone else) could switch it to addLink(), which has been around for a much longer time, if compatibility with older versions is still important. I think addExtensionStyle() was added around MW 1.14. Ok, good to know. But I think we can keep it as it is: nobody even complained. It is probably about time to drop support for MW 1.13 and earlier (it was kept more or less because there was no problem with it). Even 1.14 is not really relevant any more, or at least conforming to the code style guideline for newer versions is more important. -- Markus On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 5:53 AM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 09/09/2010 21:19, Alex Kozak wrote: I'll be devil's advocate and say I think this is somewhat unfortunate. But I do understand the reasons behind it. It's worth mentioning that sometimes upgrading MW can be expensive for an organization, but not as much for an extension. And this will be even more true when MediaWiki has an extension management interface which will allow extension upgrades without having access or the ability to upgrade the core platform. I agree -- after all, I only noticed the problem because I had old wikis running myself. But the problem seems to be minor since (1) I am the first to notice it, and (2) SMW 1.5.2 is just a minor upgrade without critical changes (such as security updates etc.), so there is not much trouble for those who are forced to stay with SMW 1.5.1 due to an old MW version. -- Markus On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.orgmailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 09/09/2010 18:49, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey, Do you know what the minimal MW version is that SMW supports now? I just tested SMW trunk with MW 1.15.4, and it seems to be working fine (I ran a query on Special:Ask without problems). So I'd say this is not an issue, as you should simply not be running any older MW version anyway. I agree. We still need to update our installation instructions to clarify that SMW supports only MW 1.15 and greater now. I'll send note to the user list, too. --Markus Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw * http://blog.bn2vs.com * http://wiki.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. 50 72 6F 67 72 61 6D 6D 69 6E 67 20 34 20 6C 69 66 65! -- -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- Alex Kozak Program Assistant Creative Commons -- Automate Storage Tiering Simply Optimize IT performance and efficiency through flexible, powerful, automated storage tiering capabilities. View this brief to learn how you can reduce costs and improve performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-sfdev2dev ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances and start using them to simplify application deployment and accelerate your shift to cloud computing http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] SMW min version has changed (related to Special:Ask autocompletion)
1.17 has a new installer being worked on, which seams to both provide installation capabilities to command line (which previously only could do upgrades), and upgrade capabilities to the web interface (which previously could only do installation), so my guess is that by the time we get something that makes extension upgrade easier we'll already have something that makes MW upgrade easier. Unless of course you decide to modify the source code... not that WordPress and the other platforms with self-upgrade similar to what you are thinking of even support such a thing... ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] Alex Kozak wrote: I'll be devil's advocate and say I think this is somewhat unfortunate. But I do understand the reasons behind it. It's worth mentioning that sometimes upgrading MW can be expensive for an organization, but not as much for an extension. And this will be even more true when MediaWiki has an extension management interface which will allow extension upgrades without having access or the ability to upgrade the core platform. AK On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Markus Krötzsch markus-8frlne0xlec1mck3qmo25g7bcmlr1...@public.gmane.org mailto:markus-8frlne0xlec1mck3qmo25g7bcmlr1...@public.gmane.org wrote: On 09/09/2010 18:49, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey, Do you know what the minimal MW version is that SMW supports now? I just tested SMW trunk with MW 1.15.4, and it seems to be working fine (I ran a query on Special:Ask without problems). So I'd say this is not an issue, as you should simply not be running any older MW version anyway. I agree. We still need to update our installation instructions to clarify that SMW supports only MW 1.15 and greater now. I'll send note to the user list, too. --Markus Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw * http://blog.bn2vs.com * http://wiki.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. 50 72 6F 67 72 61 6D 6D 69 6E 67 20 34 20 6C 69 66 65! -- -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list semediawiki-devel-5nwgofrqmnerv+lv9mx5uipxlwaov...@public.gmane.org mailto:semediawiki-devel-5nwgofrqmnerv+lv9mx5uipxlwaov...@public.gmane.org https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p..sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:semediawiki-devel-5nwgofrqmnerv+lv9mx5uipxlwaov...@public.gmane.org https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- Alex Kozak Program Assistant Creative Commons -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list semediawiki-devel-5nwgofrqmnerv+lv9mx5uipxlwaov...@public.gmane.org https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] -- Automate Storage Tiering Simply Optimize IT performance and efficiency through flexible, powerful, automated storage tiering capabilities. View this brief to learn how you can reduce costs and improve performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-sfdev2dev ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] SMW min version has changed (related to Special:Ask autocompletion)
On 09/09/2010 21:19, Alex Kozak wrote: I'll be devil's advocate and say I think this is somewhat unfortunate. But I do understand the reasons behind it. It's worth mentioning that sometimes upgrading MW can be expensive for an organization, but not as much for an extension. And this will be even more true when MediaWiki has an extension management interface which will allow extension upgrades without having access or the ability to upgrade the core platform. I agree -- after all, I only noticed the problem because I had old wikis running myself. But the problem seems to be minor since (1) I am the first to notice it, and (2) SMW 1.5.2 is just a minor upgrade without critical changes (such as security updates etc.), so there is not much trouble for those who are forced to stay with SMW 1.5.1 due to an old MW version. -- Markus On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org mailto:mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 09/09/2010 18:49, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey, Do you know what the minimal MW version is that SMW supports now? I just tested SMW trunk with MW 1.15.4, and it seems to be working fine (I ran a query on Special:Ask without problems). So I'd say this is not an issue, as you should simply not be running any older MW version anyway. I agree. We still need to update our installation instructions to clarify that SMW supports only MW 1.15 and greater now. I'll send note to the user list, too. --Markus Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw * http://blog.bn2vs.com * http://wiki.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. 50 72 6F 67 72 61 6D 6D 69 6E 67 20 34 20 6C 69 66 65! -- -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net mailto:Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- Alex Kozak Program Assistant Creative Commons -- Automate Storage Tiering Simply Optimize IT performance and efficiency through flexible, powerful, automated storage tiering capabilities. View this brief to learn how you can reduce costs and improve performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/dell-sfdev2dev ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] SMW min version has changed (related to Special:Ask autocompletion)
Hey, Do you know what the minimal MW version is that SMW supports now? I just tested SMW trunk with MW 1.15.4, and it seems to be working fine (I ran a query on Special:Ask without problems). So I'd say this is not an issue, as you should simply not be running any older MW version anyway. Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw * http://blog.bn2vs.com * http://wiki.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. 50 72 6F 67 72 61 6D 6D 69 6E 67 20 34 20 6C 69 66 65! -- -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] SMW min version has changed (related to Special:Ask autocompletion)
On 09/09/2010 18:49, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey, Do you know what the minimal MW version is that SMW supports now? I just tested SMW trunk with MW 1.15.4, and it seems to be working fine (I ran a query on Special:Ask without problems). So I'd say this is not an issue, as you should simply not be running any older MW version anyway. I agree. We still need to update our installation instructions to clarify that SMW supports only MW 1.15 and greater now. I'll send note to the user list, too. --Markus Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw * http://blog.bn2vs.com * http://wiki.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. 50 72 6F 67 72 61 6D 6D 69 6E 67 20 34 20 6C 69 66 65! -- -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
Re: [SMW-devel] SMW min version has changed (related to Special:Ask autocompletion)
I'll be devil's advocate and say I think this is somewhat unfortunate. But I do understand the reasons behind it. It's worth mentioning that sometimes upgrading MW can be expensive for an organization, but not as much for an extension. And this will be even more true when MediaWiki has an extension management interface which will allow extension upgrades without having access or the ability to upgrade the core platform. AK On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Markus Krötzsch mar...@semantic-mediawiki.org wrote: On 09/09/2010 18:49, Jeroen De Dauw wrote: Hey, Do you know what the minimal MW version is that SMW supports now? I just tested SMW trunk with MW 1.15.4, and it seems to be working fine (I ran a query on Special:Ask without problems). So I'd say this is not an issue, as you should simply not be running any older MW version anyway. I agree. We still need to update our installation instructions to clarify that SMW supports only MW 1.15 and greater now. I'll send note to the user list, too. --Markus Cheers -- Jeroen De Dauw * http://blog.bn2vs.com * http://wiki.bn2vs.com Don't panic. Don't be evil. 50 72 6F 67 72 61 6D 6D 69 6E 67 20 34 20 6C 69 66 65! -- -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd ___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel -- Alex Kozak Program Assistant Creative Commons -- This SF.net Dev2Dev email is sponsored by: Show off your parallel programming skills. Enter the Intel(R) Threading Challenge 2010. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-thread-sfd___ Semediawiki-devel mailing list Semediawiki-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/semediawiki-devel
