Re: ShopTalk: Sweet Spot Finder/rant
Nope; I spine and freq match every set of shafts I install. I like the spine at 12:00. Others may differ. I have no argument about it. TFlan - Original Message - From: Graham Little [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 6:20 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Sweet Spot Finder/rant tflan However, what about spining? I spine shafts and with particularly large spines or with some better golfers I've had good reports. However, does this fall in the same category for you? Cheers Graham
Re: ShopTalk: Sweet Spot Finder
The time thing was a problem, spending the time lining it up, thinking about it, backing off. There were threats to make me a single golfer from my golfing pard's. John That's not a problem of balance, but of putting with an aiming line. I've had the same problem. Yesterday I finally heard an explanation of Jim Furyk's strange putting routine, and it seems to be designed to combat exactly that issue. He stands over the ball for a pre-read impression. Then he reads the putt from behind, biased by what he felt over the ball. That way, when he gets back over the ball, he won't be surprised into second-guessing. If I ever go back to lining up the ball, I think I'll do that. (As if golf weren't slow enough already. Yechh!) Cheers! DaveT -- Thanks! John Muir http://clubmaker-online.com http://gripscience.com http://tourpure.com 810.220.4918
Re: ShopTalk: Sweet Spot Finder/rant
Tflan: It really does work, it's cheap, and it will even work on your bridge in the Sahara. Now excuse me, I've got to go strap on my swing trainer jacket. John Amen Brother! I just read and deleted 33 messages on this subject. If there's any non-tour player out there who thinks spinning or floating or levitating a ball to find the center will help them hit it longer, straighter, higher, lower, or any other way, please contact me. I have a bridge for sale in the Sahara desert. -- Thanks! John Muir http://clubmaker-online.com http://gripscience.com http://tourpure.com 810.220.4918
Re: ShopTalk: Sweet Spot Finder
Tom: Sorry, but if Mean Gene couldn't keep the balls on the device, then he need to go back for some sort of training. It's not a novelty/gimmick nor does it rob folks of their hard earned cash, I took some time and researched it and do my best to keep those types of products off my site. Gotta go set up my bottled water stand on the bridge I bought from Tflan. Thanks! John Hang on a minute John before you jump to conclusions. This gentleman I visited with received the PGA Trainer and Club Maker award for 1990. His name is Gene Ware and he lives in the Dallas area, if you would like to look him up. He still teaches today and I can only imaging that he probably has handled more clubs and tested more revolutionary gimmicks that you or I have even seen. All the cage does is keep the ball from flying off in space when it doesn't meet specs but then if guess it really is just a ball marker and not a device to check trueness of balance isn't it. I must admit that until less than an hour ago I too thought it would be a good way to scribe a perfect line around the ball. Then I figured I could use the tube out of a roll of paper towels and that sure doesn't cost $30. The little gadget is impressive however as a novelty. Heck the way I play golf it doesn't make much difference if the ball were balanced or not. Have a great day! Tom -- Tom and Donna Mason Athens, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #1294190 -- Thanks! John Muir http://clubmaker-online.com http://gripscience.com http://tourpure.com 810.220.4918
Re: ShopTalk: Sweet Spot Finder
Hmmm, I like that Mark Dave Tutelman wrote: At 05:20 PM 1/11/03 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think Dave Pelz has been selling them and talking about theory behind it (for putting) for some time now. Pelz did controlled experiments (using Perfy, the putting equivalent of Iron Byron) proving that balanced balls putt better. He reported it 14 years ago, and I don't know that it has ever been successfully -- or even seriously -- challenged. He balanced them using floating, which is cheaper but slower. It gives a spot, whereas spinning makes it easy to put an aiming line on the ball. I found the major disadvantage was that I didn't trust the line it was showing me and I'd putt to where I thought I should (and would usually miss) instead of trusting the line. That's not a problem of balance, but of putting with an aiming line. I've had the same problem. Yesterday I finally heard an explanation of Jim Furyk's strange putting routine, and it seems to be designed to combat exactly that issue. He stands over the ball for a pre-read impression. Then he reads the putt from behind, biased by what he felt over the ball. That way, when he gets back over the ball, he won't be surprised into second-guessing. If I ever go back to lining up the ball, I think I'll do that. (As if golf weren't slow enough already. Yechh!) Cheers! DaveT
ShopTalk: Sweet Spot Clarification
Tom (not TFlan Tom) sent me a note that clarify's things a bit. Turns out the ball spinner his friend was using was a different product from a different manufacturer (see his note below). I do try and sell only products that perform as advertised and are a good value. Most won't make a bad golfer play like a pro, that's really irrelevant, but most can improve (if even only marginally) your game. I actually LIKE all of those strange golf products that people have the courage to invent, risk capital on, market, and (not too often) succeed with. I know going in that in most cases I'm probably getting hoodwinked but that is the nature of the beast when dealing with a hobby that you've got a partially healthy obsession with. I hit that orange MFS65 series shaft (or similar) that KJ Choi plays and tried reshafting a few irons with the same MFS115 irons he's hitting after following him at the Buick Open. The orange shaft certainly didn't produce any rounds of 62 like KJ did yesterday, but I do hit the ball better off the tee with it. I still shank my second shot, skull my wedge, and 3 putt, but I'm only missing by 4 feet instead of 5 because of my sweet spot spun golf balls.:-) (TFlan is so cruel, I know he's got pictures of me putting, that's where the 5 foot hack comment must be from). I'm also obsessed with and play guitar and I buy the same equipment that my favorite artists play. Certainly doesn't make me Eric Clapton (or Les Paul, Jimi Hendrix, Pat Metheny, or Mark Knopfler for that matter) but it does offer the enjoyment of playing the best stuff with the hope that just once I'll reproduce what they do. I'm still a hack (guitarist/golfer/fill-in-the-blank) but I'm NOT a sucker. John Tom: I didn't think he was using the same product as I'm offering at the site, couldn't figure out how the damn ball could possibly fly out. Didn't mean to get cranky about it but I really try and research the stuff (even the semi-odd things I sell) to make sure they perform as advertised because I get a lot of email everyday from folks that are looking for advice on shafts and other goodies. If I lose their trust by selling something that promises one thing then I'm in serious trouble. Thanks for clarifying it...I'm going to send a note out to the gang so they know what we discussed. John Actually John, the device he had for rotating the balls did not have any type of cage or ball holder, only a cup that covered about 1/8 th of the surface of the ball. We tried several make of balls before we found one that not only would stay in the cup but would stay throughout the speed increase. That ball set there as if it was glued in place. Out of twenty balls that one was the only one that stayed in place through the test. It was marked and placed along side four other balls, various manufactures, and putted to a hole 12 ft. away. Four went in, not one was the marked ball. I guess this just one of those things that looks good in print. As for as purchasing one of the devices, probably, but knowing that its intended merit is subject to option. Actually I think it is cute and provides a quick way to mark one's ball. Go sell your water but please watch out for the sand bunnies, they are worst than the traps at St. Andrews. Looking forward to doing business with you, Sir! Tom -- Thanks! John Muir http://clubmaker-online.com http://gripscience.com http://tourpure.com 810.220.4918
Re: ShopTalk: Sweet Spot Clarification
Heaven for bid, not another ball hackin' guitar picker. Hey I can totally appreciate and have empathy for the person's game you just described. Sound just like mine. I have six month to get my game no higher that bogie. My daughter-in-law has invited me to play golf with her at Pebble Beach in July and again in Hawaii where the tournament is being played today. Anyone know of a really great coach in the East Texas Area that can crash me through my deadline? Have a great week all. -- Tom and Donna Mason Athens, Texas [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ #1294190
Re: ShopTalk: Sweet Spot Clarification
Tom: Thank you for the first line of the chorus for my next country western hit...:-) John Heaven for bid, not another ball hackin' guitar picker. -- Thanks! John Muir http://clubmaker-online.com http://gripscience.com http://tourpure.com 810.220.4918
ShopTalk: A groaner
Zebediah was in the fertilized egg business. He had several hundred young layers, called pullets, and eight or ten roosters, whose job was to fertilize the eggs. Zeb kept records, and any rooster that didn't perform well went into the soup pot and was replaced. That took an awful lot of Zeb's time; so, Zeb got a set of tiny bells and attached them to his roosters. Each bell had a different tone so that Zeb could tell, from a distance, which rooster was performing. Now he could sit on the porch and fill out an efficiency report simply by listening to the bells. Zeb's favorite rooster was old Brewster. A very fine specimen he was, too. But on this particular morning, Zeb noticed that Brewster's bell had not rung at all!! Zeb went to investigate. The other roosters were chasing pullets, bells a-ringing! The pullets, hearing the roosters coming, would run for cover. BUT, to Zeb's amazement, Brewster had his bell in his beak, so it couldn't ring. He'd sneak up on a pullet, do his job and walk on to the next one. Zeb was so proud of Brewster that he entered him in the county fair. Brewster was an overnight sensation! The judges not only awarded him the No Bell Piece Prize, but also the Pulletsurprise!
ShopTalk: Not Golf/New Mac Ad
If you've got Quicktime and a speedy connection, you've got to check out the ads for the new Mac Powerbooks. I watched the Steve Jobs webcast last week when they first played this and had a good belly laugh. Big build up for their new big and small laptops leading up to the spot. Advertising is wonderful. http://www.apple.com/hardware/video/powerbookg4bigandsmall.html -- John Muir http://clubmaker-online.com http://gripscience.com http://tourpure.com 810.220.4918
RE: ShopTalk: Tom Wishon's New Company
Hi Tom W When are you going live with the new web site? Your note below said not until Jan 6th, 2003. I would like to review the new Wishon designs. An emotional rollercoaster if we have to wait. Thanks HarryS www.Golf54.com TOM WISHON Tom Wishon Golf Technology 695 County Road 233 Durango, Colorado 81301 Catalog request - 1-800-480-0017 (Catalog mails on February 1, 2003) Voice - 970-375-0411 Fax - 970-375-0412 Email - [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL - www.wishongolf.com (not until January 6, 2003)
