Re: [silk] Time for another FoU Camp

2008-11-17 Thread Udhay Shankar N
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 8:13 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> Udhay (+wife +daughter)
>> Thaths
>> Chandru
>> Pradeep BV
>> Kiran
>> Biju (?)
>> Venkat Mangudi (?)
>
> Suresh

I have just booked 2 suites (3 beds/suite) at the Mysore Sports Club
for 20th Dec. Which leaves with the next item: agenda. Thoughts? (I
for one am OK with just letting it happen)

The plan as of now is to meet up at my place and drive to Mysore from
there. I assume Thaths will ride with me, so I have one more place
free in my car, first come first served.

Udhay

-- 
((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 07:36:02PM -0800, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote:
> "how do you determine gender from IP address?" is a terrific question
> for a job interview.

Easy, just ask NSA.
 



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:05:45AM +0530, Venkat Mangudi wrote:
> Eugen Leitl wrote:
> > Without us, the ecology is dead, cooked meat at about +500 megayears,
> How so?

Solar constant goes way up, Earth surface temperatures average 50+ C.
Oceans vanish, only extremophiles remain. Soon, even they're gone.



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> ... i will make a list of things to do when i have the time.
>
>
Liked this one the BEST!

Deepa.

>
>
> -r
>
>
>
>


Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-11-15 at 10:36 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
>> That reminds me of all of the various things that I will do When I have
>> The Time (small unrepresentative sample follows)
>
> ... i will make a list of things to do when i have the time.

You could plagiarize and you wouldn't be off the mark by much. Reading
the responses so far it seems fair to make the working hypothesis that
the average silk lister is interested in (in no particular order)

- Reading up on history
- Getting fit
- Catching up with a long list of unread books
- Traveling the world

... to name a few.

I wonder why no one desires the most popular pastime of mankind when
time and money are no object. Also the passion of Maharajahs and rock
stars. India is most certainly a land with great experience in this
matter, we have palaces, traditions and even the most ancient rituals
and books on the subject.

Perhaps this silk list place is a bunch of weirdos, eh?

Ok, seriously now, all this is purely in jest, and no offense to women
or sobriety intended. But surely, with such a large commonality of
interests, we must be able to figure out a way to get to these end
goals sooner, or at least chart a sensible path to there?

Don't ask me how, my upbringing only taught me enough to ask these
'common sense' questions, not to answer them.

Cheeni



Re: [silk] Crystal head vodka

2008-11-17 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> http://www.crystalheadvodka.com/
>
> Watch the Dan Akroyd video. Wins the prize for the most over the top
> marketing speil ever filtered by diamonds indeed.
>
> Cheeni


Definitely this is meant for Vod ka Raja...who would need to have his skull
examined if he buys this one!

Deepa.


[silk] Crystal head vodka

2008-11-17 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
http://www.crystalheadvodka.com/

Watch the Dan Akroyd video. Wins the prize for the most over the top
marketing speil ever filtered by diamonds indeed.

Cheeni



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Bonobashi
--- On Tue, 18/11/08, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Date: Tuesday, 18 November, 2008, 11:48 AM

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nishant Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Charles Haynes
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gender is a social construct.
> >
> >
> > Er, Charles, not entirely...that sentence, as it stands, is all
balls!
> >
>
> Hi Deepa, I am very intrigued by this response. If you oppose the idea
that
> "gender is a social construct" I was curious as to how you
define gender.
> Through long years of reading feminist theory and women's studies
writing,
> one has now almost internalised the fact that Gender, as we understand it,
> is nothing but a social construct. While I personally find it difficult to
> take the "sex (noun) is a social construct", I am quite in
wonder why you
> would resist the same argument around Gender.
>
> cheers
> Nishant



Nishantnothing to be intrigued about, I was just joking, that gender is
determined by the parts of one's body, too! :)

I saw a wonderful documentary at the Ranga Shankara Theatre Festival:
"Peforming the Goddess: The Chapal Bhaduri Story"and Chapal talks
about
being "feminine" and "masculine" and about human
relationships..the whole
thing interlaced with the need to earn money. A great documentary, and very
moving indeed.

Deepa.

Aaah, now I get it: something on the lines of "If my uncle's plumbing had been 
different, he'd have been my aunt."



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Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Nishant Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gender is a social construct.
> >
> >
> > Er, Charles, not entirely...that sentence, as it stands, is all balls!
> >
>
> Hi Deepa, I am very intrigued by this response. If you oppose the idea that
> "gender is a social construct" I was curious as to how you define gender.
> Through long years of reading feminist theory and women's studies writing,
> one has now almost internalised the fact that Gender, as we understand it,
> is nothing but a social construct. While I personally find it difficult to
> take the "sex (noun) is a social construct", I am quite in wonder why you
> would resist the same argument around Gender.
>
> cheers
> Nishant



Nishantnothing to be intrigued about, I was just joking, that gender is
determined by the parts of one's body, too! :)

I saw a wonderful documentary at the Ranga Shankara Theatre Festival:
"Peforming the Goddess: The Chapal Bhaduri Story"and Chapal talks about
being "feminine" and "masculine" and about human relationships..the whole
thing interlaced with the need to earn money. A great documentary, and very
moving indeed.

Deepa.

Deepa.


Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Nishant Shah
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:53 AM, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Gender is a social construct.
>
>
> Er, Charles, not entirely...that sentence, as it stands, is all balls!
>

Hi Deepa, I am very intrigued by this response. If you oppose the idea that
"gender is a social construct" I was curious as to how you define gender.
Through long years of reading feminist theory and women's studies writing,
one has now almost internalised the fact that Gender, as we understand it,
is nothing but a social construct. While I personally find it difficult to
take the "sex (noun) is a social construct", I am quite in wonder why you
would resist the same argument around Gender.

cheers
Nishant


-- 
Nishant Shah
Doctoral Candidate, CSCS, Bangalore.
Director (Research), Centre for Internet and Society,( www.cis-india.org )
Asia Awards Fellow, 2008-09
# 0-9740074884


Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Joe Barrera
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:25 AM, Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> To quote fellow Silk-lister Ashok,
>
> "Your question does raise a rather important point about the current state
> of computing and networking technology. The fact that all those bright
> people (especially some of them on Silk) are unable to write a simple
> function that can determine gender from IP Address is something I just
> cannot understand."
> (from: http://www.selectiveamnesia.org/2008/11/08/quick-poll/#comment-22177)
>
> What you uber geeks on silk doing I say? Get on the job immediately!

Isn't that what "finger" is for?



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Charles Haynes
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:09 PM, Deepa Mohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> Thaths wrote:
>> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >> J. Andrew Rogers wrote, [on 11/18/2008 6:59 AM]:
>> >>
>>  What's ICMP?

> Here, all of you indulging in JH (Jargon Humour) that I can't get...I can
> hear the groans and the cackles, and I am not going to google up ICMP, still
> waiting.

ICMP is "Internet Control Message Protocol" which, broadly speaking,
is used to report errors, respond to errors, for diagnostics, or for
routing in an IP network. Given that the original query was about
determining gender from an IP address, ICMP is arguably the most
likely protocol one would use to determine gender from an IP address -
if you assume the IP address isn't sufficient in and of itself to
determine gender.

Naively one might assume that gender was a layer one issue, or perhaps
a layer two MAC issue (but definitely NOT an LLC issue!) but my
citation of gender as a social construct would argue against an
essentialist defintion of gender, and so preclude a layer one based
determination of gender. ICMP is a layer three protocol, for what it's
worth.

Clear?

-- Charles



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Sat, 2008-11-15 at 10:36 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> That reminds me of all of the various things that I will do When I have
> The Time (small unrepresentative sample follows)

... i will make a list of things to do when i have the time.

yay recursion.

-r





Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
On Mon, 2008-11-17 at 18:30 -0800, Thaths wrote:
> > Echo that.
> 
> Did that idea just POP into your head?

what's with the frequency of protocol-hopping?

503, i say, 503!

-r





Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Brian Behlendorf

On Tue, 18 Nov 2008, Deepa Mohan wrote:

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:


Thaths wrote:

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:



J. Andrew Rogers wrote, [on 11/18/2008 6:59 AM]:


What's ICMP?


He'll ping you with the answer.


Echo that.


Did that idea just POP into your head?


Can we give it a REST now?


Here, all of you indulging in JH (Jargon Humour) that I can't get...I can
hear the groans and the cackles, and I am not going to google up ICMP, still
waiting.


ACK.

Brian



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Venkat Mangudi's Silk Account
Think I  ought to wash my hands off this 'thread' with SOAP and get on
with work.

On 11/18/08, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Thaths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> J. Andrew Rogers wrote, [on 11/18/2008 6:59 AM]:
> What's ICMP?
 He'll ping you with the answer.
>>> Echo that.
>>
>> Did that idea just POP into your head?
>
> HELO? This is serious business, this is, OK? You ACK me?
>
> .
>
>

-- 
Sent from my mobile device



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Raul Siddhartha
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Srini Ramakrishnan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Thaths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> J. Andrew Rogers wrote, [on 11/18/2008 6:59 AM]:
> What's ICMP?
 He'll ping you with the answer.
>>> Echo that.
>>
>> Did that idea just POP into your head?
>
> HELO? This is serious business, this is, OK? You ACK me?

Not without a SYN - no chance.



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
> selfishness. But, on the flip side, this might lead to World Peace by
> wiping out humans.

Yeah, personally I never liked that race.

I wonder how easy it is for any one mortal to wipe out the earth if
not the universe. The Dr. NOs of the world included seem to have
miserably failed. I don't have any workable global destruction plans
on hand, not that I haven't thought about it - it is a hard problem.

Likewise it is a really hard task to be perfectly bad, that is to
never do anything or anyone good. All things considered it is far
easier to be good than bad.

Cheeni



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Rishab Aiyer Ghosh
"how do you determine gender from IP address?" is a terrific question
for a job interview.

On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 08:01 +1100, Charles Haynes wrote:
> > "Your question does raise a rather important point about the current state
> > of computing and networking technology. The fact that all those bright
> > people (especially some of them on Silk) are unable to write a simple
> > function that can determine gender from IP Address is something I just
> > cannot understand."





Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Thaths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> J. Andrew Rogers wrote, [on 11/18/2008 6:59 AM]:
 What's ICMP?
>>> He'll ping you with the answer.
>> Echo that.
>
> Did that idea just POP into your head?

HELO? This is serious business, this is, OK? You ACK me?

.



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Mahesh Murthy



Sent from my iPhone

On 18-Nov-08, at 8:39, "Deepa Mohan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>wrote:



Thaths wrote:

On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:



J. Andrew Rogers wrote, [on 11/18/2008 6:59 AM]:


What's ICMP?


He'll ping you with the answer.


Echo that.



Did that idea just POP into your head?



Can we give it a REST now?




Here, all of you indulging in JH (Jargon Humour) that I can't  
get...I can
hear the groans and the cackles, and I am not going to google up  
ICMP, still

waiting.


I think you might have to put a tracert on that...



Deepa.




[silk] QotD

2008-11-17 Thread Udhay Shankar N
I'm just listening to this, and found this phrase evocative - so
making use of Bangalore's endless traffic jam to send it out. :-)

"I saw your act, it came and went
As flaccid as an ex-president."
--Anthrax, 'Packaged Rebellion'

-- 
Sent from my mobile device

((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 8:11 AM, Venkat Mangudi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Thaths wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> J. Andrew Rogers wrote, [on 11/18/2008 6:59 AM]:
> >>
>  What's ICMP?
> 
> >>> He'll ping you with the answer.
> >>>
> >> Echo that.
> >>
> >
> > Did that idea just POP into your head?
> >
> >
> Can we give it a REST now?



Here, all of you indulging in JH (Jargon Humour) that I can't get...I can
hear the groans and the cackles, and I am not going to google up ICMP, still
waiting.

Deepa.


Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Thaths wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> J. Andrew Rogers wrote, [on 11/18/2008 6:59 AM]:
>> 
 What's ICMP?
 
>>> He'll ping you with the answer.
>>>   
>> Echo that.
>> 
>
> Did that idea just POP into your head?
>
>   
Can we give it a REST now?



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Eugen Leitl wrote:
> Without us, the ecology is dead, cooked meat at about +500 megayears,
How so?




Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Thaths
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 5:39 PM, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> J. Andrew Rogers wrote, [on 11/18/2008 6:59 AM]:
>>> What's ICMP?
>> He'll ping you with the answer.
> Echo that.

Did that idea just POP into your head?

Thaths
-- 
   "Silly Indians. Our God made their God" -- Homer J. Simpson



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Udhay Shankar N
J. Andrew Rogers wrote, [on 11/18/2008 6:59 AM]:

>> What's ICMP?
> 
> 
> He'll ping you with the answer.

Echo that.

Udhay
-- 
((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread J. Andrew Rogers


On Nov 17, 2008, at 5:23 PM, Deepa Mohan wrote:
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Charles Haynes  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Clearly we have to extend ICMP.



What's ICMP?



He'll ping you with the answer.


J. Andrew Rogers




Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Deepa Mohan
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 2:31 AM, Charles Haynes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
>
> Gender is a social construct.


Er, Charles, not entirely...that sentence, as it stands, is all balls!



> As such, it's futile trying to seek a
> purely technical solution to a social problem. It's impossible to
> determine gender solely by observation - you have to ask.


Yes, gender is as much between the ears as between the legs

>
>
> Clearly we have to extend ICMP.


What's ICMP?

Deepa.


Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 08:09:32AM +1100, Charles Haynes wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Making it aware, alive. A good thing, no?
> 
> Intrinsically good? Only as a matter of faith. If you believe more is

Spelling out the obvious: of course if you happen to share my local
value system. YMMV.

> better, perhaps so, but destruction is required for new creation to

How do you define destruction? I believe a nucleation punctuated-equilibrium
event will maximize the amount of destruction/creation in a relativistic
universe (and possibly, in the metaverse). 

> arise. I'm not sure I believe that the unlimited expansion of anything
> is inherently "good."

Good as in "you like?".



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Charles Haynes
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 3:41 AM, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Making it aware, alive. A good thing, no?

Intrinsically good? Only as a matter of faith. If you believe more is
better, perhaps so, but destruction is required for new creation to
arise. I'm not sure I believe that the unlimited expansion of anything
is inherently "good."

-- Charles



Re: [silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Charles Haynes
Chandrachoodan quoting Ashok:

> "Your question does raise a rather important point about the current state
> of computing and networking technology. The fact that all those bright
> people (especially some of them on Silk) are unable to write a simple
> function that can determine gender from IP Address is something I just
> cannot understand."

> What you uber geeks on silk doing I say? Get on the job immediately!

Gender is a social construct. As such, it's futile trying to seek a
purely technical solution to a social problem. It's impossible to
determine gender solely by observation - you have to ask.

Clearly we have to extend ICMP.

-- Charles



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread ashok _
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 1:10 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Ingrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 2008/11/16 Kiran Jonnalagadda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I'd rather ask it this way: can we rationally explain our morals without
> stating it as a *belief* that something is right or wrong? I can't. It
> appears to me that our brains are inherently irrational, but capable of
> rationality as a (self) imposed discipline.
> I can separate morality from religion, can rationally explain why I'm an
> atheist, but can't rationalise the morals.
>

Perhaps rationality follows a darwinian system of natural selection...
with its own rules and mechanisms of selection..
You can rationally chose not to propagate...but that goes against
darwinian selection...where the natural instinct is to use the ability
to propagate...



[silk] Determining gender from IP address.

2008-11-17 Thread Chandrachoodan Gopalakrishnan
To quote fellow Silk-lister Ashok,

"Your question does raise a rather important point about the current state
of computing and networking technology. The fact that all those bright
people (especially some of them on Silk) are unable to write a simple
function that can determine gender from IP Address is something I just
cannot understand."
(from: http://www.selectiveamnesia.org/2008/11/08/quick-poll/#comment-22177)

What you uber geeks on silk doing I say? Get on the job immediately!

C


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Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 05:40:53PM +0530, Venkat Mangudi wrote:

> 1. I don't think world peace is possible. We are a race that cannot be
> at peace with each other. I agree with all the aliens that say this. I
> am resigned to the fact that we humans will kill each other for a
> multitude of things that change periodically. Religion seems to be the
> current favorite.

I agree there will be always conflict as well as cooperation.

> 2. The planet will save itself. We are incapable of getting over our

Without us, the ecology is dead, cooked meat at about +500 megayears, 
probably much sooner if there's a great impactor or supervolcanism event.

> selfishness. But, on the flip side, this might lead to World Peace by
> wiping out humans.

Humans (not necessarily the kind you see when you look into the
bathroom mirror) either have no future at all (having joined the
current autoextinction event as a yet another stratum in the fossil
record), or be a local catalyst/nucleus of an expanding wave of life 
that will consume most of the visible universe. 

Making it aware, alive. A good thing, no?
 
> An "optimistic" Venkat
-- 
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__
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Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Venkat Mangudi
Ingrid wrote:
> BTW, isn't there anyone here who wants to save the planet and/or achieve
> world peace when they have the time?
>   
1. I don't think world peace is possible. We are a race that cannot be
at peace with each other. I agree with all the aliens that say this. I
am resigned to the fact that we humans will kill each other for a
multitude of things that change periodically. Religion seems to be the
current favorite.
2. The planet will save itself. We are incapable of getting over our
selfishness. But, on the flip side, this might lead to World Peace by
wiping out humans.

An "optimistic" Venkat



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Kiran Jonnalagadda
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Ingrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 2008/11/16 Kiran Jonnalagadda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * Make sense of how the rational (logical) and irrational (moral) sides of
> the brain reconcile
>
> Have never seen the brain hemispheres labeled that way. Are morality and
> rationality mutually contradictory?
>

I'd rather ask it this way: can we rationally explain our morals without
stating it as a *belief* that something is right or wrong? I can't. It
appears to me that our brains are inherently irrational, but capable of
rationality as a (self) imposed discipline.
I can separate morality from religion, can rationally explain why I'm an
atheist, but can't rationalise the morals.


-- 
Kiran Jonnalagadda
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Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Bonobashi
No point glossing over everything. in a half-assed manner at that.

bonobashi



--- On Mon, 17/11/08, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [silk] When I Have The Time
> To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
> Date: Monday, 17 November, 2008, 3:13 PM
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:09:54PM +0530, Bonobashi wrote:
> > I'd rather cultivate my garden.
> 
> You're remarkably candid.


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Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Srini Ramakrishnan
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:30 PM, Ingrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/11/16 Kiran Jonnalagadda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * Make sense of how the rational (logical) and irrational (moral) sides of
> the brain reconcile
>
> Have never seen the brain hemispheres labeled that way. Are morality and
> rationality mutually contradictory?

Isn't that the founding basis for nihilism, and anyway I think so too.

Cheeni



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 03:09:54PM +0530, Bonobashi wrote:
> I'd rather cultivate my garden.

You're remarkably candid.
 



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 10:56:11AM +0200, Ingrid wrote:

> BTW, isn't there anyone here who wants to save the planet and/or achieve
> world peace when they have the time?

You're thinking too small.



Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Bonobashi
I'd rather cultivate my garden.

bonobashi



--- On Mon, 17/11/08, Ingrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Ingrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [silk] When I Have The Time
> To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
> Date: Monday, 17 November, 2008, 2:26 PM
> I have a short list:
> 
> 1. Earn the epitaph: Deeply superficial, outrageously
> graceful, ruthlessly
> compassionate.
> 2. Give away about 85% of the things I possess.
> 
> BTW, isn't there anyone here who wants to save the
> planet and/or achieve
> world peace when they have the time?


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Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Bonobashi
--- On Mon, 17/11/08, Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [silk] When I Have The Time
> To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
> Date: Monday, 17 November, 2008, 1:08 PM
> On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 08:45:44AM +0530, Chandrachoodan
> Gopalakrishnan wrote:
> 
> > I'm currently doing a pretty good thing that pays
> my bills. But I do want to
> > not do it day in and day out, if that makes sense. And
> yes, off-roading in
> > Iceland sounds like something I'd try, if I can
> get to a road in Iceland.
> 
> They use trucks like that http://leitl.org/ice2/88.html 
> 
> More http://leitl.org/ice2/

Those pictures were nice; I am just at this moment going through them one by 
painful-treacle-through-a-needle one.

I have seen a very nice web-site which has pictorial accounts of trucks 
off-road, in jut-jawed 4x4 mode.

It's sad to read that this idyllic lifestyle is under economic threat. They 
seem to be such happy people with such a wonderful life-style.


> 
> Since their national economy collapse it's getting
> pretty grim
> over there, though. 1/3rd are considering emigration.


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Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Ingrid
2008/11/16 Kiran Jonnalagadda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* Make sense of how the rational (logical) and irrational (moral) sides of
the brain reconcile

Have never seen the brain hemispheres labeled that way. Are morality and
rationality mutually contradictory?


Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Gautam John
On Mon, Nov 17, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Ingrid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> BTW, isn't there anyone here who wants to save the planet and/or achieve
> world peace when they have the time?

*raises hand*


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Re: [silk] When I Have The Time

2008-11-17 Thread Ingrid
I have a short list:

1. Earn the epitaph: Deeply superficial, outrageously graceful, ruthlessly
compassionate.
2. Give away about 85% of the things I possess.

BTW, isn't there anyone here who wants to save the planet and/or achieve
world peace when they have the time?