date:20130820

It's on Friday 30th, not Saturday 31st.

Re: [silk] silklist Digest, Vol 45, Issue 9

2013-08-20 Thread Bonobashi

Oh, great. Very well timed, Sir. VERY well timed.

Indrajit Gupta

On Aug 20, 2013, at 1:04 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:

 It's on Friday 30th, not Saturday 31st.

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Deepak Misra

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:
 I cannot remember seeing this thread in Silk when it first happened.

 I stumbled upon this corpse when I was searching for something else.

 That said, I had a followup question.




 What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life hacker or a GTD-focused
 tip-sharing mailing list? Is they in the same genre? Or a different one?

 S.

Are you asking about the efficacy of say  GTD or a mailing list
dealing with GTD?  GTD is an interesting concept but what I found is
that most mailing lists get bogged down in implementation and tweaks
and not about the philosophy.  When i first read the book, I was quite
gung ho but the only notable success story that I have from my
experiment with GTD was to repair a vacuum cleaner that has been out
of action for a couple of years. Anyway there are some good concepts*
to be learnt and it is best not to get bogged  down into reading about
it.
Life hacker is mildly interesting and once in a blue moon gives you
something you can actually use. The useful section is the one on
downloads, browser addons etc.

Deepak

* - Differentiate between a project and next action. (This is the most
useful learning in my opinion)
  - Take an immediate decision on what has to be done on something
which is in your in-box (Act, schedule, delete , file)
  -  Ensure that every project has a next action

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Deepak Misra

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:


 Current confirmed attendees:

 Rashmi
 Naresh
 Andy Deemer (+1?)
 Udhay

 Others?
 --
 ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))


I would love to, so maybe

Deepak

[silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Biju Chacko

http://www.livemint.com/Industry/DxwH4TNGtKS58r7npgjnnO/Valerie-Wagoner-Tapping-the-missedcall-trade.html

Interesting.

If anyone knows her, please invite her to Silklist. :-)

-- b

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread thewall

I might swing by.

I believe top-posting would have solved this little problem. 

Sent on my BlackBerry® from Vodafone

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Subject: Re: [silk] Meet up.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Andy Deemer andydee...@gmail.com wrote:
 Yep - I'm definitely in!


 On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:

 On 10-Aug-13 11:47 AM, rashmi v wrote:

  This weekend might be short notice for most people. I was thinking of
  Saturday August 31st.

 Current schedule appears to be Friday Aug 30th, at the same venue as
 last time (Naresh's office at Venkataramanan Associates in Langford Town)

 Current confirmed attendees:

 Rashmi
 Naresh
 Andy Deemer (+1?)
 Udhay

 Others?
 --
 ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))




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I've gotten fairly relaxed about mail etiquette over the years -- top
vs bottom posting, html vs non-html and so on. But I'm forced to point
out that your .sig is excessive. May I suggest a url to a page with
the same content instead?

thanks,

-- b

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Mark Bergen



 http://www.livemint.com/Industry/DxwH4TNGtKS58r7npgjnnO/Valerie-Wagoner-Tapping-the-missedcall-trade.html

 Interesting.


Yeah, but the author's a pos. Don't invite him.

(Happy to make intros or send invite.)

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

I think the answer to that is too late, he's already here

Now, intro, please?  Nice to see you here and you're not the first Mint 
columnist to turn up here so welcome, and whatever you do beyond writing that 
very enjoyable article :)

--srs (iPad)

On 20-Aug-2013, at 15:08, Mark Bergen mberg...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 http://www.livemint.com/Industry/DxwH4TNGtKS58r7npgjnnO/Valerie-Wagoner-Tapping-the-missedcall-trade.html
 
 Interesting.
 
 
 Yeah, but the author's a pos. Don't invite him.
 
 (Happy to make intros or send invite.)

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Biju Chacko

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Mark Bergen mberg...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://www.livemint.com/Industry/DxwH4TNGtKS58r7npgjnnO/Valerie-Wagoner-Tapping-the-missedcall-trade.html

 Yeah, but the author's a pos. Don't invite him.

Quite clearly a bit of a git. Unfortunately, that gets trumped by my
firm belief that the entire editorial staff of Mint should be on Silk.


 (Happy to make intros or send invite.)

Please do, though it's not clear from the article whether she's
eccentric enough to fit in. :-)

-- b

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Mark Bergen mberg...@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 
 http://www.livemint.com/Industry/DxwH4TNGtKS58r7npgjnnO/Valerie-Wagoner-Tapping-the-missedcall-trade.html
 
  Interesting.


I have heard of Zipdial before and the idea/business is definitely
interesting. I felt the article was way too much gaga that it should have
been considering the business has been around for a while.

I see a PR offensive by ZipDial (they were covered by The Economist as
well). Nothing wrong with it though. Neither of the articles elaborates on
the vulnerability of the business models now that many people in India have
been busy whatsapping. I have seen so many non-tech-savvy people use it,
amazing traction. Also there are so many short code marketing companies
that have been around for a while.

Also another thing that stuck out of the article was 87 broad patents. Will
be interesting to know what they are.

-- Vinayak

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra
yahoogro...@deepakmisra.comwrote:

 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:
  What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life hacker or a GTD-focused
  tip-sharing mailing list? Is they in the same genre? Or a different one?Are
 you asking about the efficacy of say  GTD or a mailing list
 dealing with GTD?


I was asking if GTD can be considered self help.

Thaths
-- 
Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
Carl:  Nuthin'.
Homer: D'oh!
Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
Homer: Woo-hoo!

Re: [silk] Fwd: [costiima] Rajeev Srinivasan on how Indians are satisfied with illusions, not reality.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote:

 We still follow socialistic policies when they have failed the world over.


Really? Have they now? That the Nordic Model is failed must come as a
surprise to the Scandinavians.

Thaths
-- 
Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
Carl:  Nuthin'.
Homer: D'oh!
Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
Homer: Woo-hoo!

Re: [silk] Fwd: [costiima] Rajeev Srinivasan on how Indians are satisfied with illusions, not reality.

2013-08-20 Thread Kiran K Karthikeyan

On 20 August 2013 18:55, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  We still follow socialistic policies when they have failed the world
 over.
 

 Really? Have they now? That the Nordic Model is failed must come as a
 surprise to the Scandinavians.

 Thaths


Isn't that a very republican view of the world?

The Nordic model is perhaps the best amalgamation of capitalism and
socialism, but not socialist - which is how it figures into most republican
rants.

As for the Scandanavians, they sometimes call the Nordic Model too
capitalistic.

Kiran

Re: [silk] Fwd: [costiima] Rajeev Srinivasan on how Indians are satisfied with illusions, not reality.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:55 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com
wrote:

We still follow socialistic policies when they have failed the world
over.

Really? Have they now? That the Nordic Model is failed must come as a
surprise to the Scandinavians.

The Nordics are governed better (and are big govt) but they are hardly
socialist. They can at best be called Extreme Welfare state for lack of a
better world. The Nordic model is worth following.

The Economist has a good article on this

The main lesson to learn from the Nordics is not ideological but
practical. The state is popular not because it is big but because it works.

You can inject market mechanisms into the welfare state to sharpen its
performance. You can put entitlement programmes on sound foundations to
avoid beggaring future generations.

More at
http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21571136-politicians-both-right-and-left-could-learn-nordic-countries-next-supermodel

And from Wikipedia
Sometimes mistaken by Americans as socialist, while simultaneously being
criticized by Scandinavians as overly capitalistic, the Nordic model could
best be described as a type of middle ground. It is neither fully
capitalistic or socialistic, and attempts to merge the most desirable
elements of both into a hybrid system

More at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model

Maybe Fox news would characterize this as socialism (or more likely
communism). Much of the US news media has a Manichean view of the world
with no shades of grey. The world is more nuanced than that.

-- Vinayak

Re: [silk] Question for Entrepreneurs/ Product Owners / Investors / Consultants

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:02 AM, rashmi v rashm...@gmail.com wrote:

 What is / has been your toughest marketing challenge as an Entrepreneurs/
 Product Owners ?


I am neither. Should I unsubscribe?

Thaths
-- 
Homer: Hey, what does this job pay?
Carl:  Nuthin'.
Homer: D'oh!
Carl:  Unless you're crooked.
Homer: Woo-hoo!

Re: [silk] Question for Entrepreneurs/ Product Owners / Investors / Consultants

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 7:32 PM, rashmi v rashm...@gmail.com wrote:

 What is / has been your toughest marketing challenge as an Entrepreneurs/
 Product Owners ?


In my experience, finding that first story about yourself and your
offering to tell. All else flows from that.

Udhay
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[silk] Collateral damage

Groklaw has decided to shut shop.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/02152224249/more-nsa-spying-fallout-groklaw-shutting-down.shtml

A rather melancholy take, from elsewhere:

And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet
is over.

Thoughts?

Udhay
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Re: [silk] Collateral damage

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:20:24PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:

 And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet
 is over.
 
 Thoughts?

Darknets. What we cypherpunks have been saying last two decades.

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:

  And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet
  is over.
 
  Thoughts?

 Darknets. What we cypherpunks have been saying last two decades.


I have two main thoughts around this.

1. Sousveillance [1] is one of the best hopes of not falling into
dystopia. Big Brother is scary only until the point that everyone starts
looking back.
2. A brilliant quote from silklister Heather Madrone captures my
thoughts. From memory, Save your dial-up modems. We can restart the
internet right under their feet.


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sousveillance

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Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Venkat Mangudi - Silk

On Aug 20, 2013 9:36 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:

 2. A brilliant quote from silklister Heather Madrone captures my
 thoughts. From memory, Save your dial-up modems. We can restart the
 internet right under their feet.


So I go back and relearn Morse code?

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:

 Groklaw has decided to shut shop.


 http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/02152224249/more-nsa-spying-fallout-groklaw-shutting-down.shtml

 A rather melancholy take, from elsewhere:

 And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet
 is over.

 Thoughts?


Meshnets ? - https://projectmeshnet.org/ Though there is a possibility of
rogue nodes.

New scientist has an article on this -
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21929294.500-meshnet-activists-rebuilding-the-internet-from-scratch.html#.UhOSXz_9UVE

Maybe others on this list can comment on the feasibility and other network
factors such as latency and reliability of this as an alternative.

-- Vinayak

-- Vinayak

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:36:47PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:24 PM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote:
 
   And it's only the beginning. I agree with Groklaw's owner. The Internet
   is over.
  
   Thoughts?
 
  Darknets. What we cypherpunks have been saying last two decades.
 
 
 I have two main thoughts around this.
 
 1. Sousveillance [1] is one of the best hopes of not falling into
 dystopia. Big Brother is scary only until the point that everyone starts
 looking back.

I disagree. Centralized well-founded players backed by barrel of
guns in a post-democratic society (we're living in a managed democracy/
inverted totalitarianism im much of the West) have an intrinsic edge
against well-meaning anarchist experts (and I say that as a well-meaning
anarchist).

Besides, if you want to leak the collected information safely
you will need abovementioned dark infrastructure.

What for? To reboot the failed politics. Technology may not
be able to route around political damage, but it can help
fighting the failure in politics.

 2. A brilliant quote from silklister Heather Madrone captures my
 thoughts. From memory, Save your dial-up modems. We can restart the
 internet right under their feet.

Except that you can't. Wireless meshes are a poor match for
TBit/s fiber backbones, especially if you're looking at edge
of human habitation. Bandwidth will be terribly scarce in
the roll-your-own Internet.

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:39 PM, Venkat Mangudi - Silk 
s...@venkatmangudi.com wrote:

  2. A brilliant quote from silklister Heather Madrone captures my
  thoughts. From memory, Save your dial-up modems. We can restart the
  internet right under their feet.
 

 So I go back and relearn Morse code?


No, it merely means (in my understanding) that you can redo a peer to peer
net with this technology. It doesn't even need to be taken literally -
witness the comment about darknets made upthread.

Udhay
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Re: [silk] Collateral damage

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:39:36PM +0530, Venkat Mangudi - Silk wrote:

 So I go back and relearn Morse code?

I'm actually going to get a ham license. You can probably
think why.

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 09:56:56PM +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:

 No, it merely means (in my understanding) that you can redo a peer to peer
 net with this technology. It doesn't even need to be taken literally -
 witness the comment about darknets made upthread.

If you don't own the signalling layer or even rights of way you're
pretty much limited to the wireless bandwidth in the cell, and pure
line-of-sight (plus severe weather influence) for high-bandwidth
connections. You can use DTN tricks with physical layer delivery,
but it's more like Usenet/uucp with days-long propagation times for
posts.

You want to annoy the right kind of people, you launch a microsat
constellation with global reach. You can't really jam a phased
array tracking a tiny fast bird overhead.

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread SS

On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 21:20 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
Groklaw has decided to shut shop.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130820/02152224249/more-nsa-spying-fallout-groklaw-shutting-down.shtml

Here's a quote from the above link:

The people talked about how it stopped them from being emotional with
their children or other close friends and relatives. How they had
trouble functioning in ways that many people take for granted, just
because the mental stress of knowing that you have absolutely no
privacy is incredibly burdensome.

Privacy is a funny thing. In India, due to centuries of overcrowding and
joint families, and the need to shit and pee out in the open, privacy as
we tend to imagine it is largely absent.

When I was a medical student in India I would examine patients in the
open in a large room full of people (yes full - maybe 50 patients). The
woman with a boil on her buttock would get some half torn screen while
she raised her sari up to be examined.

Of course medical education in India made me a plug and play doctor
for the west and I slotted right in there in the UK without breaking my
step, no sweat. It was India that took getting used to.

Concepts of privacy that I knew about were practised in the UK and I
enforced them with jihad like fervour in India. But I gradually
discovered that in India it is normal for hangers about to stand and
listen while I discuss a patient's piles with him and his relatives.

I have relatives who grew up in families that lived in two room homes
with 5 or 6 people rolling out mattresses from under a sofa or cot for
the night and rolling them up in the morning. The famous Indian sofa
cum bed is part of this lifestyle.

My late mother grew up in her father's house with 4 siblings and 15 odd
cousins. Privacy was non existent and this makes people grow up in a
peculiar way. Everyone knows everything. You do not even fart in
private. (pressurizing people to fart in private is a reprehensible act
that should be condemned). Everyone knows everything about everyone
else. What is treated in the west as sensitive information whose leakage
could get a doctor sued is out in the open in India.

So I wonder why people must worry about being emotional with children on
email? What might it be that worries them?

shiv

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Vandana Abraham

I'm in! - Vandana



On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
 On 10-Aug-13 11:47 AM, rashmi v wrote:

 This weekend might be short notice for most people. I was thinking of
 Saturday August 31st.

 Current schedule appears to be Friday Aug 30th, at the same venue as
 last time (Naresh's office at Venkataramanan Associates in Langford Town)

 Current confirmed attendees:

 Rashmi
 Naresh
 Andy Deemer (+1?)
 Udhay

 Others?
 --
 ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))


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Re: [silk] Meet up.

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Vandana Abraham
vand...@julysystems.comwrote:

 I'm in! - Vandana


Would you still be willing to help cook? :)

Udhay
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Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Vandana Abraham

Yep - will do a shift at the griller, and will bring marinated chicken.
Will we have a final count by thursday?


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Vandana Abraham
 vand...@julysystems.comwrote:

 I'm in! - Vandana


 Would you still be willing to help cook? :)

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Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Dave Long

Save your dial-up modems. We can restart the internet right under  
their feet.


A fine sentiment, but it's trivial to distinguish modem traffic from  
voice.


Steganets (none of you has ever seen a dead donkey) might be a  
little less obvious than darknets (and the normally abysmal S/N ratio  
of social networks may actually provide decent channel bandwidth?).


Personally, I'm living in a country where I still have faith in the  
civility of the goons.


-Dave

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Amitha Singh

hokay, under duress, I'm in +1

Sent from my Windows Phone
From: Vandana Abraham
Sent: 20-08-2013 22:09
To: silklist@lists.hserus.net
Subject: Re: [silk] Meet up.
I'm in! - Vandana

On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Udhay Shankar N ud...@pobox.com wrote:
 On 10-Aug-13 11:47 AM, rashmi v wrote:

 This weekend might be short notice for most people. I was thinking of
 Saturday August 31st.

 Current schedule appears to be Friday Aug 30th, at the same venue as
 last time (Naresh's office at Venkataramanan Associates in Langford Town)

 Current confirmed attendees:

 Rashmi
 Naresh
 Andy Deemer (+1?)
 Udhay

 Others?
 --
 ((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

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Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Mark Bergen

 I have heard of Zipdial before and the idea/business is definitely
 interesting. I felt the article was way too much gaga that it should have
 been considering the business has been around for a while.


That's a fair criticism. It could have gone much deeper on the
vulnerabilities and questioned the co's conviction they can bound easily to
other platforms. Missed calls will be obsolete at some point, though I
don't think anytime soon. If anyone has fresh, intriguing numbers/angles on
mobile marketing trends, do share.


 I see a PR offensive by ZipDial (they were covered by The Economist as
 well). Nothing wrong with it though.


Us lowly writers have little say in publishing calendars, even if -- all
I'll say -- words are written many moons ago.


 Also another thing that stuck out of the article was 87 broad patents. Will
 be interesting to know what they are.


For the next story, perhaps.

Re: [silk] Meet up.

Consolidating responses onlist and offlist. Show of hands from those who
haven't responded yet please.

On 19-Aug-13 6:21 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
 Current confirmed attendees:
 
 Rashmi
 Naresh
 Andy Deemer (+1?)
 Udhay
Amitha Singh
Vandana Abraham
Meera K

Maybe:
Chandrachoodan
Venkat Mangudi
Deepak Misra
Lahar Appaiah
Shoba Narayan
Saritha Rai
Sunil Abraham


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Re: [silk] Collateral damage

Shades of if you aren't doing anything wrong, why do you object? in
your response. I'll revisit this later.


On 20-Aug-13 10:06 PM, SS wrote:

 My late mother grew up in her father's house with 4 siblings and 15 odd
 cousins. Privacy was non existent and this makes people grow up in a
 peculiar way. Everyone knows everything. You do not even fart in
 private. (pressurizing people to fart in private is a reprehensible act
 that should be condemned). Everyone knows everything about everyone
 else. What is treated in the west as sensitive information whose leakage
 could get a doctor sued is out in the open in India. 

 So I wonder why people must worry about being emotional with children on
 email? What might it be that worries them? 

A couple of points in response:

Firstly, the problem is that surveillance is one-way. The citizenry do
not know anything about Big Brother, and THAT is the problem. When
everybody knows everything about everybody else, there will be no
problem, as a new social contract will evolve regarding privacy.

Secondly, let me quote my friend Peter Cassidy on this (with permission)

quote

It's easy to be blase about electronic surveillance, given our relative
wealth and comfort and experience knowing the peer-points have been
shunting all traffic to Ft Meade forever, meeting and knowing NSA
employees who were in many cases more liberal and more educated than our
imaginations would have allowed us to believe on our own and
experiencing none of the jack-booted oppressions which everyone on the
Internet flings Godwinishly to describe everything from rules of order
at the PTA meeting to the service profile of the local Home Depot.
What's key is the legitimacy of the use of that data and the scope of
its currency in a society. The Haunted Land, a book that delineates how
East German society was completely reforged around the authority of
secretly collected personal data illustrates how caustic routinized
surveillance can become. Spouses ratted each other out to the
authorities, in ways resonant with the odd stories of kids turning in
their parents for smoking dope in the back yard. No one could have a
personal life worthy of the name. In an environment of permanent
legitimized electronic surveillance, you could argue the establishment
of an East German scenario here is only a matter of time.

/quote


-- 
((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Deepak Misra

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra

 you asking about the efficacy of say  GTD or a mailing list
 dealing with GTD?


 I was asking if GTD can be considered self help.

 Thaths

GTD would be found in the self help section in a book store I am sure.

Deepak

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

2013-08-20 Thread Sriram Karra

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra
 yahoogro...@deepakmisra.comwrote:

  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:
   What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life hacker or a
 GTD-focused
   tip-sharing mailing list? Is they in the same genre? Or a different
 one?Are
  you asking about the efficacy of say  GTD or a mailing list
  dealing with GTD?


 I was asking if GTD can be considered self help.


The above strongly indicates your question is really something else. If not
why do you care one way or the other? So, Thaths, what is your *real*
question?

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread SS

On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 07:47 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
 Shades of if you aren't doing anything wrong, why do you object? in
 your response. I'll revisit this later.

Yes, but I will explain below. First let me respond to this quote


 its currency in a society. The Haunted Land, a book that delineates how
 East German society was completely reforged around the authority of
 secretly collected personal data illustrates how caustic routinized
 surveillance can become. Spouses ratted each other out to the
 authorities, in ways resonant with the odd stories of kids turning in
 their parents for smoking dope in the back yard. No one could have a
 personal life worthy of the name. In an environment of permanent
 legitimized electronic surveillance, you could argue the establishment
 of an East German scenario here is only a matter of time

None of this is new. George Orwell predicted it. It happened in Stalin's
Russia, and China has been well into this for decades. 

Power and control have always meant control over what people say. The
anger and indignation in my view comes from the idea that some free
societies were somehow immune to this.

To my mind the only way to counter this is by subversion from within the
system, not by fighting the system. The system looks out for those who
fight it. The system needs to be inundated with people who are doing no
wrong. A world of sheeple who do not worry about surveillance makes it
easier to look out for those who are avoiding surveillance. In my view
the thing to do is to accept surveillance, embrace it, and set up the
mechanism for subterfuge. Only that route can allow creative ways of
spooking the system to emerge. 

If I were a criminal, this is exactly what I would do. Surveillance is
designed to discourage criminals (specifically terrorists) from using
the existing system and restricting their ability to communicate and
plan. A useful side effect for the government is that everyone gets
watched. The criminal would be the last person to complain about being
watched - only honest people do - although criminals might add to the
protests acting like Honest people who genuinely want privacy simply
as a political ploy to pressurize governments who are high on their
ability to control. 

I am not trying to criticize or mock anyone, but I have noticed that in
America the constitution guarantees certain freedoms and those freedoms
are being removed, leading to protests. If I extrapolate this I predict
that there is an outside chance that Americans might win court battles
that protect US citizens, but non US citizens will continue to face
everything that can be thrown at them by way of control and monitoring.
Under the circumstances,  I see no option other than to simply cooperate
with the system and discover my own ways of doing what I might want to
do in private.

Incidentally is there a right to privacy?. I have no idea.

shiv

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Bonobashi

No right to privacy yet, anywhere, but it has been argued in India that it 
exists. The leagles would know, surely.

Indrajit Gupta

On Aug 21, 2013, at 9:22 AM, SS cybers...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 07:47 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
 Shades of if you aren't doing anything wrong, why do you object? in
 your response. I'll revisit this later.
 
 Yes, but I will explain below. First let me respond to this quote
 
 
 its currency in a society. The Haunted Land, a book that delineates how
 East German society was completely reforged around the authority of
 secretly collected personal data illustrates how caustic routinized
 surveillance can become. Spouses ratted each other out to the
 authorities, in ways resonant with the odd stories of kids turning in
 their parents for smoking dope in the back yard. No one could have a
 personal life worthy of the name. In an environment of permanent
 legitimized electronic surveillance, you could argue the establishment
 of an East German scenario here is only a matter of time
 
 None of this is new. George Orwell predicted it. It happened in Stalin's
 Russia, and China has been well into this for decades. 
 
 Power and control have always meant control over what people say. The
 anger and indignation in my view comes from the idea that some free
 societies were somehow immune to this.
 
 To my mind the only way to counter this is by subversion from within the
 system, not by fighting the system. The system looks out for those who
 fight it. The system needs to be inundated with people who are doing no
 wrong. A world of sheeple who do not worry about surveillance makes it
 easier to look out for those who are avoiding surveillance. In my view
 the thing to do is to accept surveillance, embrace it, and set up the
 mechanism for subterfuge. Only that route can allow creative ways of
 spooking the system to emerge. 
 
 If I were a criminal, this is exactly what I would do. Surveillance is
 designed to discourage criminals (specifically terrorists) from using
 the existing system and restricting their ability to communicate and
 plan. A useful side effect for the government is that everyone gets
 watched. The criminal would be the last person to complain about being
 watched - only honest people do - although criminals might add to the
 protests acting like Honest people who genuinely want privacy simply
 as a political ploy to pressurize governments who are high on their
 ability to control. 
 
 I am not trying to criticize or mock anyone, but I have noticed that in
 America the constitution guarantees certain freedoms and those freedoms
 are being removed, leading to protests. If I extrapolate this I predict
 that there is an outside chance that Americans might win court battles
 that protect US citizens, but non US citizens will continue to face
 everything that can be thrown at them by way of control and monitoring.
 Under the circumstances,  I see no option other than to simply cooperate
 with the system and discover my own ways of doing what I might want to
 do in private.
 
 Incidentally is there a right to privacy?. I have no idea.
 
 shiv

Re: [silk] Meet up.

2013-08-20 Thread Vinay Rao

  Current confirmed attendees:
 
  Rashmi
  Naresh
  Andy Deemer (+1?)
  Udhay
 Amitha Singh
 Vandana Abraham
 Meera K

+1 Vinay Rao


 Maybe:
 Chandrachoodan
 Venkat Mangudi
 Deepak Misra
 Lahar Appaiah
 Shoba Narayan
 Saritha Rai
 Sunil Abraham


 Vinay

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

On Aug 20, 2013 8:48 PM, Sriram Karra karra@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:

  On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 1:51 AM, Deepak Misra
  yahoogro...@deepakmisra.comwrote:
 
   On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:
What do Silk listers think about blogs like Life hacker or a
  GTD-focused
tip-sharing mailing list? Is they in the same genre? Or a different
  one?Are
   you asking about the efficacy of say  GTD or a mailing list
   dealing with GTD?
 
 
  I was asking if GTD can be considered self help.


 The above strongly indicates your question is really something else. If
not
 why do you care one way or the other? So, Thaths, what is your *real*
 question?

I don't understand. Can you elaborate?

Thaths

Re: [silk] On self-improvement

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 9:42 AM, Thaths tha...@gmail.com wrote:

  The above strongly indicates your question is really something else. If
 not
  why do you care one way or the other? So, Thaths, what is your *real*
  question?

 I don't understand. Can you elaborate?


Sounds like Karra is experimenting with an ELIZA bot. :)

Udhay

-- 

((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Mahesh Murthy

On 20 Aug 2013 15:21, Biju Chacko biju.cha...@gmail.com wrote:

Unfortunately, that gets trumped by my
 firm belief that the entire editorial staff of Mint should be on Silk.

Not Suku the editor surely :)

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade

2013-08-20 Thread Sankarshan Mukhopadhyay

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:55 PM, Vinayak Hegde vinay...@gmail.com wrote:
 Also another thing that stuck out of the article was 87 broad patents. Will
 be interesting to know what they are.

Among other things, wouldn't inassignee:Zipdial Mobile Solutions
Pvt. Ltd. allow you to get a fair idea about them?


-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan

Re: [silk] Collateral damage

2013-08-20 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian

The US bill of rights - which is the bedrock of all these constitutional 
protections, applies to US citizens.  So .. I am not sure if this discussion 
isn't entirely moot.

--srs (iPad)

On 21-Aug-2013, at 9:22, SS cybers...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 07:47 +0530, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
 Shades of if you aren't doing anything wrong, why do you object? in
 your response. I'll revisit this later.
 
 Yes, but I will explain below. First let me respond to this quote
 
 
 its currency in a society. The Haunted Land, a book that delineates how
 East German society was completely reforged around the authority of
 secretly collected personal data illustrates how caustic routinized
 surveillance can become. Spouses ratted each other out to the
 authorities, in ways resonant with the odd stories of kids turning in
 their parents for smoking dope in the back yard. No one could have a
 personal life worthy of the name. In an environment of permanent
 legitimized electronic surveillance, you could argue the establishment
 of an East German scenario here is only a matter of time
 
 None of this is new. George Orwell predicted it. It happened in Stalin's
 Russia, and China has been well into this for decades. 
 
 Power and control have always meant control over what people say. The
 anger and indignation in my view comes from the idea that some free
 societies were somehow immune to this.
 
 To my mind the only way to counter this is by subversion from within the
 system, not by fighting the system. The system looks out for those who
 fight it. The system needs to be inundated with people who are doing no
 wrong. A world of sheeple who do not worry about surveillance makes it
 easier to look out for those who are avoiding surveillance. In my view
 the thing to do is to accept surveillance, embrace it, and set up the
 mechanism for subterfuge. Only that route can allow creative ways of
 spooking the system to emerge. 
 
 If I were a criminal, this is exactly what I would do. Surveillance is
 designed to discourage criminals (specifically terrorists) from using
 the existing system and restricting their ability to communicate and
 plan. A useful side effect for the government is that everyone gets
 watched. The criminal would be the last person to complain about being
 watched - only honest people do - although criminals might add to the
 protests acting like Honest people who genuinely want privacy simply
 as a political ploy to pressurize governments who are high on their
 ability to control. 
 
 I am not trying to criticize or mock anyone, but I have noticed that in
 America the constitution guarantees certain freedoms and those freedoms
 are being removed, leading to protests. If I extrapolate this I predict
 that there is an outside chance that Americans might win court battles
 that protect US citizens, but non US citizens will continue to face
 everything that can be thrown at them by way of control and monitoring.
 Under the circumstances,  I see no option other than to simply cooperate
 with the system and discover my own ways of doing what I might want to
 do in private.
 
 Incidentally is there a right to privacy?. I have no idea.
 
 shiv

Re: [silk] Valerie Wagoner: Tapping the missed-call trade