Re: [silk] Anil Kumar

[Bharath Chari]

On 10/18/20 5:37 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> For those of you who knew him, I have sad news. Silklister Anil Kumar
> passed away of a cardiac arrest a few days ago.
>
> We were friends for ~30 years. That involved many many shared experiences,
> including youthful indiscretions, late night conversations, and using each
> others' residences as crash pads with zero notice.
>
> I used to like introducing him as "possibly the only normal person I know"
> - but he was so much more than that.
>
> He was a warm, thoughtful and unfailingly helpful person. He enriched my
> life greatly, and I'll miss him terribly.
>
> Udhay
>
I too have nothing but fond memories of him. And it's difficult to
imagine he's gone. My own relationship with him also goes back, I guess,
24 years from before the beginning of silk-list and the original avatar
at arachnis.

Bharath

Re: [silk] Legal adulthood

[Bharath Chari]

On 12/14/18 6:43 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> Next week, silklist will be 21 years old. Whee!
>
> Folks in Bangalore, meetup? Thursday 20 Dec seems most workable at this
> point (I am traveling starting Friday 21 Dec). Vinit and Surabhi have
> kindly offered to host at their place, which has seen many memorable
> silkmeets in the past, including the first silklist baby. :)
>
> Show of hands for Thursday 20 Dec meetup?
>
> Udhay
>
Wow! Didn't realize that. Yeah, December 1997. How many of the original
crew are still around here?

Re: [silk] ‘Kind’ technology?

[Bharath Chari]

On 02/09/2018 04:11 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:

On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 7:22 AM, Tomasz Rola  wrote:

Lo and behold, my connection has been cut off for few hours...
​It looks like your ISP is on Microsoft's blocklist. You should check with
them. See below, ​your message is bouncing to all silklist addresses within
the Microsoft universe:

 550 5.7.1 Unfortunately, messages from [50.23.85.242] weren't sent.
Please contact your Internet service provider since part of their network
is on our block list (AS3140). You can also refer your provider to
http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. [
DM3NAM03FT057.eop-NAM03.prod.protection.outlook.com]


Looks like the IP block of lists.hserus.net is on Microsoft's blocklist. 
Not Tomasz's.

Re: [silk] Reintroducing myself

[Bharath Chari]

On 11/17/2017 08:51 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:

On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Bharath Chari  wrote:



Delurking to prove your point. I'm the definition of the active lurker.
I'm member No.1 of silklist, and have posted around 10 messages in the past
5 years. But have read every single message for the past 20 years. :)


​
You also posted the very first message on silk. :)​

​
Yes, but not according to the history books - Shiv's message registers 
as the first one, courtesy his computer clock being off by quite a bit. :)


Bharath

Re: [silk] Reintroducing myself

[Bharath Chari]

On 11/17/2017 04:26 AM, Rajesh Mehar wrote:

Out of curiosity: What is the difference
between active and passive lurking?

In my mind,

active lurking is reading the post and enjoying the discussion but
consciously (for whatever motive) not responding.


Delurking to prove your point. I'm the definition of the active lurker. 
I'm member No.1 of silklist, and have posted around 10 messages in the 
past 5 years. But have read every single message for the past 20 years. :)


Bharath

Re: [silk] What's your primary computing device?

[Bharath Chari]

On 09/12/2017 11:32 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:

As in, what do you spend the most time doing serious work/play on? For any
definition of 'work' or 'play' that appeals to you?

For me, it is still an assembled desktop computer running Windows.
Notwithstanding the existence in the house of 3 laptops, sundry tablets,
and many, MANY phones.

Udhay

Linux laptop - need the screen real estate and a physical keyboard. 
Virtual keyboards haven't really worked out for me - especially since I 
spend large amounts of time in an SSH session. Use an Android phone for 
VOIP, random browsing and messaging when I'm away from the laptop. The 
phone is mainly used as a WiFi tether when I'm outside of my regular 
network.


If I really can't use a laptop, then an old Android Tablet with a 
wireless keyboard.


Bharath

Re: [silk] Kids and porn

[Bharath Chari]

On 09/05/2017 12:27 AM, Alaric Snell-Pym wrote:


I suspect that porn viewing causes harm through misinformation, but not
through some kind of "can't get aroused by real human beings"
psychological damage. Although the misinformation may lead to
psychological damage...

Is porn addiction really a thing? If so, is porn the problem, or is this
just something a person with a compulsion issue has latched onto in some
cases, and they'd have latched onto something else otherwise?

I think one must be careful here. Suppose studies found:

  * People get addicted to porn
  * People who view porn lots have a higher than usual level of mental
illness, particularly sexual dysfunction

...you can't blame porn based on *just* that (although that situation
would justify doing further studies), because it may be that people with
pre-existing psychological issues are more attracted to porn than others.

I probably sound like a porn apologist... I'm not. I think the idea of
consenting adults sharing pictures/videos of themselves shagging, or
factual or fictional written accounts, etc, for their own or their
recipient's titilation or for money, is perfectly fine and even
laudable. But the porn *industry* is horrible, exploitative, and is
spreading disinformation.

As a parent: We're very open with our children about sex, with a view to
pre-educating them before they get misinformed by their peers or the
Internet...

ABS

--
Alaric Snell-Pym
http://www.snell-pym.org.uk/alaric/

Just search and replace "porn" with "social networks" in the above.  And 
sex(ual) with "sociall".


Bharath

Re: [silk] Searching in google is a result of prior synapse - true or false ?

[Bharath Chari]

On 08/11/2017 03:47 PM, Vasanth Kamath wrote:

I had asked. - "Searching in google is a result of prior synapse -
true or false ?”


The word google was intentionally inserted to make it sound more real.
In the backdrop of a simulated world, I believe that there is
significant influence of cues coming from multiple external dimensions
on what one searches for vs a sense of discovery..so I wanted to seek
thoughts from this group if one could “search” without bias or without
any sort of prior conditioninng

So,

You often search when you know what you want to search..
How do you know what you want? How was it conditioned ?
how does one perfect the art of searching? Or better conditioning?
Is it better search terms? OR
Is it to know better what you want? OR
Is it to know various methods of searching and retrieval?


Of course it's conditioned. Your question itself is the product of 
"conditioning". You're asking your question in a conditioned environment 
- you have generated bias by asking this question on a list which you 
thought could provide pointers on a question of bias. Get my drift?


Your question(s) didn't really make sense to me. Unless you've got a 
specific angle that you're trying to get a response to. Or generally 
trolling the list :)


Bharath

Re: [silk] Malware encoded in a strand of DNA

[Bharath Chari]

On 08/11/2017 07:44 AM, Thaths wrote:

https://www.wired.com/story/malware-dna-hack/

"...a group of researchers from the University of Washington has shown for
the first time that it’s possible to encode malicious software into
physical strands of DNA, so that when a gene sequencer analyzes it the
resulting data becomes a program that corrupts gene-sequencing software and
takes control of the underlying computer"

Malware for one platform encoded into code on another platform.

Thaths


A brilliant attack vector, I must say!

Bharath

Re: [silk] CAT5 vs CAT5E vs CAT6 cable for home

[Bharath Chari]

On 2017-06-06 22:18, Prashant P Kothari wrote:

Folks

We're moving in to a new house in Virginia this summer

Q) The builder's default cable is CAT5... but I'm wondering if it
makes sense to upgrade to CAT5e or even CAT6?

Does anyone have first-hand experience with this

Thanks
Prashant


I'd go with Cat6. With the following caveats:

1) Remember that the speed will quick deteriorate towards 1 Gbps after 
around 150 ft.
2) Keep proper separation between the electrical conduits and the 
Network cables. Electricians in India are notorious for running them 
both through the same conduits - interference is horrible, let alone the 
hazards of AC voltage creeping into the network segment. I guess you'll 
already have that separation at your place.


Bharath

Re: [silk] The least random number

[Bharath Chari]

18th December, 1997.

Bharath
On 12/13/2014 01:28 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:

I never joined.

Ram

On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:

Next week, on the 19th, silklist will be 17 years old.

A fair number of the regulars have been around (almost) that long.

So when did you join silklist, and how did you hear about it?

Udhay

--
((Udhay Shankar N)) ((udhay @ pobox.com)) ((www.digeratus.com))

Re: [silk] The feeling of power

[Bharath Chari]

On Monday 03 June 2013 05:07 PM, Alaric Snell-Pym wrote:

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

On 06/01/2013 10:26 AM, Bharath Chari wrote:

The first time I read this story by Isaac Asimov, I hadn't been
introduced to computers yet. The second time I read it I wondered to
myself in horror if such a day would actually come. I read it again
yesterday, and was filled with dismay. That day may well have already come.

Which bit dismays you? The rising dependence on computers for rote
arithmetic, or the militarisation that led the technician to commit suicide?

Is rote arithmetic what you got from the story? Because I got 
mathematics. And that's my problem - suicidal technician 
notwithstanding. I don't have a problem with using any form of 
computational device, provided the basics behind the answer are 
understood. Mathematical Induction, anyone?


Bharath

[silk] The feeling of power

[Bharath Chari]

The first time I read this story by Isaac Asimov, I hadn't been 
introduced to computers yet. The second time I read it I wondered to 
myself in horror if such a day would actually come. I read it again 
yesterday, and was filled with dismay. That day may well have already come.


http://downlode.org/Etext/power.html

Bharath

Re: [silk] Fwd: Wine tasting is bullshit. Here's why.

[Bharath Chari]

On Thursday 30 May 2013 11:08 AM, Biju Chacko wrote:

On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:32 AM, Thaths  wrote:


On May 29, 2013 9:04 AM, "Bonobashi"  wrote:

One must share your well-founded fears. One might go so far as to say

that one is apPauled.

Why Ring o the bells of doom?


Yeah, just let it be.

-- b

Now would be a good time to introduce the infinite loop flowchart:

http://flowingdata.com/2011/01/21/hey-jude-flowchart/

Bharath

Re: [silk] Internet access advice

[Bharath Chari]

On Friday 28 September 2012 07:15 AM, Deepa Mohan wrote:

On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 6:41 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:

This is from a post grad student in the US (a friend of a friend). I'd
think that one of the mobile broadband sticks (Reliance, Tata, etc)
might be the trick, but I'm not sure how easily and how fast a
foreigner on a tight schedule can get one. Can someone comment?


Well, then, let me also ask for help. I am going to Bhutan for two
weeks in November and want some reliable way of keeping in touch (at
least in the time we are in "coverage" areas... any ideas you can pass
on please? I won't have any trouble  getting an interest stick, or
dongle, or whatever it's called.

Deepa.



The last time I was in Bhutan, I found the roaming charges were 
_outrageous_. Vodafone, for instance, charges Rs.130 per minute outgoing 
from Bhutan and others weren't much better. GPRS is Rs. 5.5 per 10 KB :)


http://www.vodafone.in/postpaid/roaming/pages/basic_internationalroam_bih.aspx?cid=bih

Bharath

Re: [silk] Good God!

[Bharath Chari]

On Sunday 10 June 2012 06:30 PM, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:

On 10 June 2012 17:17, Bharath Chari  wrote:

If atheists and other nonbelievers
were represented fairly, you would expect about 50 in the US Congress and
another 50,000 at State and local level.

In 2007, the Secular Coalition for America tried to find them. They found
only five.

I suspect many politically ambitious American atheists realise this
and take care to have true-Christian credentials before they start
running for office.

Ram


Or are closet-atheists:

http://www.npr.org/internedition/spring12/?p=16

Bharath

Re: [silk] Good God!

[Bharath Chari]

On Saturday 09 June 2012 03:10 AM, John Sundman wrote:

On Jun 8, 2012, at 5:10 PM, Bharath Chari wrote:


http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creationist-View-Human-Origins.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the creationist view 
that God created humans in their present form at one time within the last 
10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist view of the origin of humans 
is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, when Gallup first asked the 
question. About a third of Americans believe that humans evolved, but with 
God's guidance; 15% say humans evolved, but that God had no part in the process.


I live here and I had no idea it was so bad (even though my novel-in-progress is called 
"Creation Science", and I've been studying up on this craziness).

Although 3/4 of the USA is retrograde nuts, there are still tens of millions of 
sane American people. If you associate with them, mostly, you tend to lose 
sight of what a small minority you are.

Overall, however, that's a very depressing article.

Let me depress you further:

http://www.michaelnugent.com/best/americas-top-two-elected-atheists/

Americans elect a lot of public officials – over half a million, from 
the President down to school district level. If atheists and other 
nonbelievers were represented fairly, you would expect about 50 in the 
US Congress and another 50,000 at State and local level.


In 2007, the Secular Coalition for America tried to find them. They 
found only five. Three were very local officials: a school board 
president, a school committee member and a town meeting member. And the 
two most senior were both in their seventies, much closer to the end 
than the start of their political careers.

[silk] Good God!

[Bharath Chari]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/155003/Hold-Creationist-View-Human-Origins.aspx

PRINCETON, NJ -- Forty-six percent of Americans believe in the 
creationist view that God created humans in their present form at one 
time within the last 10,000 years. The prevalence of this creationist 
view of the origin of humans is essentially unchanged from 30 years ago, 
when Gallup first asked the question. About a third of Americans believe 
that humans evolved, but with God's guidance; 15% say humans evolved, 
but that God had no part in the process.

Re: [silk] Subramanian Swamy

[Bharath Chari]

On 08/05/2011 07:48 AM, ss wrote:

On Thursday 04 Aug 2011 7:41:18 pm Charles Haynes wrote:



Yet it is a predominantly Hindu country that writhes and struggles with an
internal debate on secularism. If democracy is the will of the majority, then
pluralism should be the rule in india, not secularism. And in fact that is
exactly what I see around me. Pluralism in the guise of secularism. Perhaps it
It is people who object to pluralism who have a problem?



Not directly related to the topic on hand, but I was reminded of a term 
that I came across long ago, a form of democracy that intrigued me for 
some time  - Sortition.


To quote a proponent of this form of governance, John Burnheim -

But do we, in order to have democracy, have to find a way in which the 
demos first makes up its mind what is to be done and then controls its 
representatives in the process of carrying it out? What I want to 
suggest is a different conception. Let the convention for deciding what 
is our common will be that we will accept the decision of a group of 
people who are well informed about the question, well-motivated to find 
as good a solution as possible and representative of our range of 
interests simply because they are statistically representative of us as 
a group. If this group is then responsible for carrying out what it 
decides, the problem of control of the execution process largely 
vanishes. Those directing the execution process are carrying out their 
own decisions. They may need a little prodding to keep them up to the 
mark, but there is no institutional basis for a conflict of interest 
between bodies responsible for making decisions and those responsible 
for execution. They have an overriding interest in showing that their 
decisions are practical and well-grounded.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sortition

Bharath

Re: [silk] if we didn't have Pakistan...

[Bharath Chari]

On 07/22/2011 07:21 AM, ss wrote:

On Thursday 21 Jul 2011 11:53:28 pm another.prufr...@gmail.com wrote:

We need somebody from Pakistan in here. Ideas?



I have been on a wildly jingoistic, largely right wing Indian defence forum
which is very popular. About a decade ago there were similar calls on the
forum that "We need a Pakistani viewpoint". What became of that is a different
story that is not relevant here but my observations on the issue of Pakistanis
on English language internet fora provoked some study and some thoughts about
that subset of Indians and Pakistanis who actually communicate in English.

Like I said - the English speaking  groups are a sub-set of the populations of
the two nations. Statistics about how many English readers or speakers there
are are reasonably easily available from India but are more difficult to access
from Pakistan. A lot of Information Technology promotion sites frm Pakistan
claim a huge number of English speakers who (it was believed) would give the
Indian  BPO sector a run for its money.

But after repeated and much digging I discovered that the total circulation of
English newspapers in Pakistan in the year 2000 was about 150,000 for a
population of 134 million (at that time) More recently - there was a
burgeoning of TV channels in Pakistan and I recall the observation that there
was only one English language TV channel in Pakistan out of a several score
channels.

My conclusion was that it will be extremely difficult to get a Pakistani
viewpoint on here. Apart from the Pakistani press (whcih I follow closely) the
other places that give me some inkling into Pakistani thought are a Pakistani
"liberal" blog, which is also frequented by another silklister, and a
Pakistani jinoistic military forum.



It would be as relevant as any viewpoint expressed on silk list. As 
relevant as the viewpoint of an English speaking Indian, at the very least.

.

Bharath

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

[Bharath Chari]

On 07/20/2011 09:22 AM, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

The brown chaddi types hate muslims in general
The pakistanis hate indians in particular

what is the difference at all?  and should I prescribe you stronger
eyeglasses so you can go back and read what I wrote correctly?

On Wednesday 20 July 2011 09:20 AM, ss wrote:

On Wednesday 20 Jul 2011 5:20:49 am Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

Let us just assume I don't choose to carry my argument on further


Your choice is sacrosanct, as is mine.

Let me get this right. You think that the bjp/rss follow "hate Pakistan"
politics and not "hate Muslims". For that reason you said:


the bjp rss crowd are indistinguishable from the pakistanis in their tactics
of hate politics


shiv





Shiv,

While I was definitely taking a dig at right wing hate politics, I was 
reflecting more on the fact that it is endemic in India as well.


However, I can't understand the reasoning that hate politics within a 
country is less abhorrent or different to cross border ones. If that 
wasn't your submission, then I stand corrected.


Bharath

Re: [silk] Why My Father Hated India

[Bharath Chari]

On 07/18/2011 07:51 PM, ss wrote:

On Monday 18 Jul 2011 2:37:20 pm M.K.Pai wrote:

Salman Taseer, probably said what he did for public consumption. Its
difficult for a Pakistani politician to get elected unless he says
unpleasant things about India.



My My! That is odd isn't it?

Why would a politican in Pakistan have to say unpleasant things about India to
get elected? Does that translate to the inability to get elected if a
Pakistani politician were to say good things about India?


shiv




To change a few words in your para:

Why would a politican _from the BJP_ have to say unpleasant things about 
_the Congress_ to get elected? Does that translate to the inability to 
get elected if a _BJP_ politician were to say good things about _the 
Congress_ ?


It doesn't seem to matter what the context is, does it? :)

Bharath

Disclaimer : I have no love for either party.

Re: [silk] (no subject)

[Bharath Chari]

On 06/27/2011 06:37 PM, Deepa Mohan wrote:

There were PLENTY of us who did not say anything at all...so make that
statement, "SOME people can't not say anything"

Deepa.


On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:10 AM, Christopher Kelty mailto:cke...@gmail.com>> wrote:

this just goes to show that people can't not say anything even when
the best thing to say is nothing at all.

QED.

ck


Deepa,

You fell right into the trap. Because you did finally say something. The 
appropriate action would either have been no reply or a blank one :)


Bharath

Re: [silk] (no subject)

[Bharath Chari]

On 06/26/2011 11:14 AM, Bharath Chari wrote:

On 06/26/2011 09:25 AM, ss wrote:



Well done. I liked that. To me this has ended up being an interestimg
psychological experiment.

shiv




"He hath indeed better bettered expectation than you must expect of me 
to tell you how."

- William Shakespeare, Much Ado About Nothing

Bharath
ps: My earlier blank post was intentional :)

Re: [silk] (no subject)

[Bharath Chari]

On 06/26/2011 09:25 AM, ss wrote:



Well done. I liked that. To me this has ended up being an interestimg
psychological experiment.

shiv

Re: [silk] (no subject)

[Bharath Chari]

On 06/22/2011 06:52 PM, Sean Doyle wrote:

Surely the null hypothesis has to be better specified than that...


My null hypothesis was that this collective could make a thread out of 
nothing. That has been amply demonstrated. But I'm vaguely disappointed 
that there hasn't been the usual thread drift,


Just Fish^N.

Bharath

Re: [silk] (no subject)

[Bharath Chari]

On 06/20/2011 11:26 AM, Anand Manikutty wrote:


I completely agree. If anyone has something to say on this subject, now 
would be a good time.


:)

Bharath

Re: [silk] fish^N

[Bharath Chari]

On 06/03/2011 07:21 AM, Anand Manikutty wrote:

You can take alook at the posts to see if you are convinced. Otherwise, feel 
free to email me and I can try to convince you offline. In the meantime, you 
can take a look at my List to see if the posts on there convince you. I knew 
about language parsing and grammars when I was in high school, when my other 
class-mates didn't. I know that it would take some effort on my part to 
comvince them if I met them today, but that is mostly because none of them have 
spent time in computer language design committees.
Ummm. To quote your first post - There has been a discussion on the 
_Internets_ on "Buffalo Buffalo ...".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internets

So, I'm a bit skeptical about the grammatical skills.

Bharath


Of course, I meant grammar skills :)

Re: [silk] fish^N

[Bharath Chari]

On 06/03/2011 07:21 AM, Anand Manikutty wrote:

You can take alook at the posts to see if you are convinced. Otherwise, feel 
free to email me and I can try to convince you offline. In the meantime, you 
can take a look at my List to see if the posts on there convince you. I knew 
about language parsing and grammars when I was in high school, when my other 
class-mates didn't. I know that it would take some effort on my part to 
comvince them if I met them today, but that is mostly because none of them have 
spent time in computer language design committees.
Ummm. To quote your first post - There has been a discussion on the 
_Internets_ on "Buffalo Buffalo ...".


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internets

So, I'm a bit skeptical about the grammatical skills.

Bharath

Re: [silk] fish^N

[Bharath Chari]

On 06/02/2011 03:07 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:

On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 10:14:14AM +0530, Bharath Chari wrote:

   fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun)
   fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun)

However, the sentence "Slap slap slap slap slap slap slap slap." has
only one meaning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s


I bow down. I have never seen a better visual representation of a thought!

Bharath

Re: [silk] fish^N

[Bharath Chari]

On 06/02/2011 08:21 AM, ss wrote:

Crystal clear. But is there a typo in the 76th word?

The corrected version is as follows:


fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun)
  fish(Noun)  fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun)
  fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun)
  fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun)
  fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun)
  fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun)
  fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun)
  fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun) fish(Noun)
However, the sentence "Slap slap slap slap slap slap slap slap." has 
only one meaning.

Re: [silk] Stochastic Terrorism

[Bharath Chari]

On Tuesday 18 January 2011 08:34 AM, ss wrote:



_India_, as a concept, has existed far longer than evidence/history
warrants.

What do you mean by "India as a concept"?  A concept can be a very subjective
thing based on individual perceptions and experiences. So unless we first sort
of what the hell the "concept of India" (like the "idea of Pakistan") means -
we will have no basis for any discussion beyond ambling rhetoric.

shiv


Shiv,

I'm glad you chose the words "ambling rhetoric". My point exactly. 
Strong personal opinions are sometimes stated as FACT . It is irrelevant 
that it may/may not be true in this instance.


I was referring to the sovereign, socialist, secular, democratic 
republic of India.


Bharath - now losing interest in this thread :) and going back to lurk mode

Re: [silk] Stochastic Terrorism

[Bharath Chari]

On Saturday 15 January 2011 07:53 AM, ss wrote:

On Saturday 15 Jan 2011 2:49:36 am Jon Cox wrote:

Pakistan too is an example of a group of people using Islam to change the
sacrosanct borders of nation states.

shiv




I notice that you refuse/omit to preface a lot of your posts about 
Pakistan/Islam with "I think"/"I believe". Sacrosanct? Borders? Nation 
States? Somehow, implicit in (now over a decade) your arguments, is that 
_India_, as a concept, has existed far longer than evidence/history 
warrants.


Bharath

Re: [silk] Close the Washington Monument

[Bharath Chari]

On Thursday 23 December 2010 11:52 AM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:


1. "assume goodwill."
2. A well done rant is a thing of beauty. Incoherent ranting, however,
becomes tedious very quickly. If your intent is to cause offense with
the *content* of your post, then it is counter-productive to be
incomprehensible.
3. To start with, I can't see anything (that I can make out, it has to
be said) in what you've said that actually even disagrees with the
majority of what people have said in this thread so far. What,
specifically, set you off?
4. "No Ad hominem." Engage the argument, not the person.

   

5. This list is publicly archived. With all colorful language intact. :)

Bharath

Re: [silk] TRRK

[Bharath Chari]

On Sunday 08 August 2010 04:22 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:

On 8/8/2010 3:27 PM, anish.moham...@gmail.com wrote:

Some more detail and condolences here:

gears/86801-trrk-dr-t-r-rajesh-kumar->obituary.html>

Will someone who can read Malayalam >translate the obituary notice?

Udhay I was unable to find anything in malayalam there :(, except refernce to 
malaya manorama


Yes, the actual obituary:



Udhay


The 2nd (that I know of) silk list member who has passed on. Kerry Miller still 
lives online at http://arachnis.com/kerryo/

RIP, TRRK.

Bharath

Re: [silk] More on invisibility cloaks

[Bharath Chari]

On Friday 23 July 2010 11:29 AM, Vinayak Hegde wrote:

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 9:38 AM, Udhay Shankar N  wrote:
  

http://www.gizmag.com/invisibility-cloak-made-of-glass/15796



I don't buy it. I will believe it when I don't see it

  
Aaahhh.. I feel a delicious headache coming on. Visions of a celebrated 
cat spinning/not spinning in its grave come to mind.


Bharath

Re: [silk] The Sixth New India Lecture

[Bharath Chari]

On Wednesday 21 July 2010 08:26 PM, Thaths wrote:

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 7:41 AM, Bharath Chari  wrote:

On Wednesday 21 July 2010 05:26 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:

<http://digeratus.com/misc/NewIndia%20Invite.jpg>


Is there an IISc in another city?

Thaths


http://www.iisc.ca/

Bharath

Re: [silk] The Sixth New India Lecture

[Bharath Chari]

On Wednesday 21 July 2010 05:26 PM, Udhay Shankar N wrote:

Forwarding by request, for those who might be interested. The attachment
referred to below can be seen at



The invite presumes that everyone knows that Malleswaram is in Bangalore! :)

Bharath

Re: [silk] Ten toughest books to read

[Bharath Chari]

I gave up on Umberto Eco's Island of the day before, after a dozen starts. Best 
of luck to the person who 'borrowed' it from me. I'd have paid to have it 
removed from my premises.

Bharath

Re: [silk] Any Mozilla Addons

[Bharath Chari]

Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

Alok G. Singh [02/02/10 00:37 +0530]:

This is particularly a problem with silk-list as it uses
mail-followup-to in a non-standard way. I mitigate it setting
broken-reply-to in the group parameters in Gnus. YMMV.


silklist is a standard mailman install. what is this non standard way you
refer to? please keep it offlist to just me and udhay.



I think the stock install has "reply to poster" as against "reply to list" as 
default. In our case the latter is obviously preferable.

Bharath

Re: [silk] Fw: [IP] Phil Agre is missing

[Bharath Chari]

Charles Haynes wrote:


Did you read the article?


Yes, I did. And the web site, and the facebook group.


Leave the guy alone, if that's what he wants!


That appears to be what's happening, at least to me.


I doubt it. And hope I'm wrong.

Bharath

Re: [silk] Fw: [IP] Phil Agre is missing

[Bharath Chari]

Udhay Shankar N wrote:


It appears Phil has been located. All seems very hush-hush at this
point. No doubt there will be more on this in the near future.




So the poor guy got dragged back on to the grid? And presuming he got off the 
grid on his own steam, what does he have to do now - take more permanent 
measures?

Leave the guy alone, if that's what he wants!

Bharath

[silk] Google Maps

[Bharath Chari]

Interesting that Google has three different versions of the India map. Google India 
shows Arunachal Pradesh as part of India, Google US treats it as disputed, and 
Google China, simply erases Arunachal Pradesh from the India Map. Similar situation 
for J&K.

http://maps.google.co.in
http://maps.google.com
http://ditu.google.com

Bharath

Re: [silk] Barah anno

[Bharath Chari]

Deepa Mohan wrote:

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Deepa Mohan  wrote:

  

and U..you never answered my question...who is the 2nd person on this list,
and who are the first 12 to commemorate 12 years (or to have  Last Supper)?

Oops, Udhay's reply had slipped through the cracks (of my mind and laptop,
both.). Sorry Udhay, I just read your reply.

Udhay and Ram were added at the same time, but I guess Udhay was the 2nd 
member since I addressed him first in my mail :)


Bharath - now going back to lurk mode

Re: [silk] Fwd: Moral Policing - This happened in Bangalore

[Bharath Chari]

The gentleman who wrote the note, is a friend of mine.
Mail me offlist. I am sure he would like to be a part of what you are 
suggesting.
Bharath
- original message -
Udhay Shankar N wrote, [on Friday 20 February 2009 10:57 PM]:

>> Will anybody else join me in setting up a Legal Fund for pursuing the 
>> perpetrators

Re: [silk] Silk in evolution?

[Bharath Chari]

ss wrote:



Time was when conversations tended to be relatively highbrow and intense.
But don't; people think that we have now broken a particular barrier in 
being "comfortable as home" on silk - and that is reflected in the topics 
that have started appearing on Silk? For example:


* Sponsor request for club membership
* Laptop repair info requested
* Phone repair information requested
* Old coin sales info requested
* Personal services info requested


Silk started off by us forcibly subscribing people we knew in the real world. 
To that extent, its origins were in the comfort zone. More often than not, in 
the flaky days of the Internet in India, the posting would be followed up by a 
call to the person to check if the message had got through. And then the 
postings for the day would be discussed in person over copious quantities of 
beer.

And then, along came Kerry (RIP) http://arachnis.com/kerryo/. Here was a person, whom 
none of us had met, with a point of view on almost any subject under the sun. And quite 
soon there were many Kerrys on the list. It kind of forced the original members to step 
out of the comfortable "touchy, feely" zone, and move on to more abstract 
subjects. And it stayed that way for a good number of years.

To quote from Chris Kelty's paper 
(http://silk.arachnis.com/anthro/Recursive_Publics.pdf):



Although the topics on Silk List ranged from science fiction and movie reviews 
to discussions on Kashmir, Harry Potter, transhumanism, or Napster, the 
function of the list was mot so much to provide a forum for the subject matter 
at hand (this could be had in many other places) but offered instead a site of 
connection for loosely affiliated groups sharing particular concerns about 
technology, society, and the Internet that were neither explicit nor determined 
in each case by the same cultural or social location.



The silk list I am writing this message to is not the one Chris describes. And 
I miss it :)

Bharath

Re: [silk] Satelllite Radio in India

[Bharath Chari]

ss wrote:

Don't know of any alternatives but Worldspace has an "old model" and a "new 
model"


Neither come with speakers nowadays which is a blessing.


The cheap and best model is a BPL (Diva - I think), which is modeled on the 
original Sanyo. There was a slicker, smaller receiver called a Tongshi - I 
don't know if it is still available, but I can check with the guys at 
WorldSpace, if you want.

Bharath

Re: [silk] Print to Web Publishing Query

[Bharath Chari]

Gautam John wrote:
> 
> A quick question, would you know of an easy way to mark the text box
> coordinates in an automated fashion or would that still have to be
> done manually? I wonder if the Adobe tool Kiran talked about can help
> with that.

I think it may have to be manual. I suspect the tool Kiran is referring
to will _extract_ text, and remove all formatting. As he said, this is
for archival, and search. I don't think the layout will be preserved.

Bharath

Re: [silk] Print to Web Publishing Query

[Bharath Chari]

Gautam John wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Sajith T S <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>>  Can't you use CSS to place text?  I'm not really qualified to talk,
>>  just wondering.
> 
> I will check on that.
> 
> Thank you!

I think it should be quite possible with CSS.

Especially if you use a separate print css file which you can use to
format the page only at the time of printing to represent your book
layout. eg : The background of the  would correspond to the image
of the page, and the text would be a nested  at the precise
position you wanted.

That way, you could make the screen version more amenable to data entry,
 using a separate screen css file and restrict the precise layout, only
to the print version.

You would have lines like this in the  section of the page.



Bharath

Re: [silk] Do you think Ubuntu is dead?

[Bharath Chari]

Deepa Mohan wrote:
>
> 
> Feisty Fawn (any more alliterative animals that Ubuntu has spawned?)
> 
> 
Gutsy Gibbon is the latest.

Bharath

Re: [silk] Introduction

[Bharath Chari]

Deepa Mohan wrote:


Ah. My aarghh was the same sort of argh!  NOM..No Offence Meant,
Cheeni! (apropos of which...could sugar have come from China, to get
that name? How much more convenient to ask someone than to go
a-googling...)

Deepa.


Hmmm. Sandeep Kapoor again. Shiv, don't think your last attempt went unnoticed.

Bharath

Re: [silk] Do you think Ubuntu is dead?

[Bharath Chari]

I run Gutsy on a Lenovo R60. Suspend/Resume/Hibernate/Function keys/WLAN
all work out of the box. I am running Gnome, but heard that hardly
anything works in KDE.

Bluetooth works, but am having trouble pairing it with my Nokia E61 and
doing anything meaningful, such as using the phone as a BT GPRS modem.
Any pointers?

Bharath

Biju Chacko wrote:
> On Feb 6, 2008 10:12 PM, Ashok Krish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I am having altogether more horrible issues with blacklisted Dell hardware
>> (D630 - sigh, office laptop) that causes compiz to crash frequently. But
>> Linux Mint (Ubuntu based as well) seems to be stable so far. Ive disabled
>> compiz though
> 
> I'm perfectly happy with Gutsy on a D630. Of course, I've never got
> into the habit of using suspend so that could help.
> 
> -- b
> 
> 

Re: [silk] Acronym help?

[Bharath Chari]

As against SI = Simple Imprisonment

Sthitaprajna wrote:
> Cory Doctorow wrote:
>> I've started reading a couple Indian newspaper RSS feeds and I've hit
>> an acronym I can't seem to find a definition for, though I can winkle
>> out the meaning.
>>
>> The acronym is "RI" and it appears to refer to prison sentences. Is
>> this "remedial incarceration"?
>>
> 
> Rigorous Imprisonment.
> 
> 

[silk] OpenBravo anyone?

[Bharath Chari]

Hi,

Has anyone on the list implemented Openbravo ERP in a production environment? 
Was looking at it as an alternative to Compiere.


Bharath

Re: [silk] double delivery

[Bharath Chari]

Are you sure it is fixed? I just got two messages from Raj Shekhar.
Bharath

- original message -
Subject:Re: [silk] double delivery
From:   Abhijit Menon-Sen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date:   09-01-2008 03:12

At 2008-01-09 08:33:22 +0530, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I hope this is better?

Yes. Thanks!

-- ams

[silk] Confirming silk meet on 17th

[Bharath Chari]

All,

Just confirming that the 17th is on at my place. Say around 7.30pm? Headcount 
please?

So far I count:

Deepak
Udhay
Bharath (me)
Shiv
Venky
Venkat
Gautam
Ramakrishna
and possibly
Josey

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

[Bharath Chari]

http://chari.arachnis.com. Click on Location.

Bharath

Gautam John wrote:
> I'm in as well for the 17th.
> 
> 

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

[Bharath Chari]

If no one else is game, then we will have 2/3rd of the (statistically invalid) 
original eyeballs. On par for an Internet business, what say?

Bharath

Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> Bharath Chari wrote:
> 
>> Shiv,
>>
>> Come on - I am sure we will let you go back home before the 18th or
>> thereabouts. This was planned at my place on the 17th :-)
> 
> OK, I give. Let's do it on the 17th at your place. Who else is in?
> 
> Udhay
> 
> 
> 

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

[Bharath Chari]

Nope. Definitely not in town on 21st and 22nd. 

Bharath

Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> shiv sastry wrote: [ on 08:26 PM 12/10/2007 ]
> 
>> My place is fine - but Thu being a working day for everyone at home
>> we'll have
>> to close up shop by 10-30 PM at the latest. Some beer will be needed,
>> and no
>> dinner is planned :) Will get chips and stuff.
> 
> Let's just do it on a weekend. 21st or 22nd?
> 
> Bharath? Will you be around?
> 
> Udhay
> 

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

[Bharath Chari]

Shiv,

Come on - I am sure we will let you go back home before the 18th or 
thereabouts. This was planned at my place on the 17th :-)

Bharath

shiv sastry wrote:
> On Monday 10 Dec 2007 7:43 pm, Bharath Chari wrote:
>> I think I can manage to be in town on the 17th. That's Monday. Does it work
>> for everyone?
> 
> Whoops - just saw this. 17th is no good because Shashi is planning something 
> on 18th morning and I can't mess up her plans for the 18th
> 
> Let's look at other dates.
> 
> shiv
> 
> 

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

[Bharath Chari]

I think I can manage to be in town on the 17th. That's Monday. Does it work for 
everyone?

Bharath

Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> Bharath Chari wrote: [ on 07:32 PM 12/10/2007 ]
> 
>> If we can shift the date to the 15th, it could be at my house. Penance
>> for having sent the first message! Most likely won't be in town
>> between the 17th and 24th.
> 
> I am not in town this weekend. So 15th is out for me. Can we have it on
> some other day?
> 
> Udhay
> 

Re: [silk] 10th Anniversary silkmeet

[Bharath Chari]

If we can shift the date to the 15th, it could be at my house. Penance for 
having sent the first message! Most likely won't be in town between the 17th 
and 24th.

Bharath
ps : Shiv, as I remember, is the reason the 1st message got numbered as the 3rd 
message. His computer clock was off.


Udhay Shankar N wrote:
> shiv sastry wrote: [ on 06:59 PM 12/10/2007 ]
> 
>> Wednesday is a bad day. Therefore it may be a good day to meet. I
>> don't like
>> beer but it will do if the place does not have conversation-killingly
>> loud
>> music.
> 
> How about your house? :-)
> 
> Udhay
> 

Re: [silk] Memory, from NatGeo

[Bharath Chari]

Shoba Narayan wrote:
> Shiv:
> We have 5 years of accumulated old issue of National Geographic too :)
> How on earth do you get rid of them?
> Shoba
> 
> 

I'm sure some school or library would be glad to take them off your hands.

Bharath

Re: [silk] Gmail on the E61 (was New iphone ad)

[Bharath Chari]

At 12:14 PM 22/11/2007, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote:


What VNC would that be? Link please?


http://developer.symbian.com/wiki/display/oe/P.I.P.S.+Home

Download and install these files in this order:
http://developer.symbian.com/wiki/download/attachments/1411/pips_s60_1_1.sis?version=1
http://developer.symbian.com/wiki/download/attachments/1411/VNCViewer_s60_1_2_SS.sis?version=1

Install the viewer to the phone memory (I think it has some issues with 
using the memory card).


Bharath

Re: [silk] Gmail on the E61 (was New iphone ad)

[Bharath Chari]

Blackberry (in its full blown configuration) does  provide instant 
mail,  but "blackberry connect" has a polling interval ranging from 2 to 15 
minutes as far as I know. And if your server supports IMAP IDLE, with your 
E61i, you already have push email.


http://www.isode.com/whitepapers/imap-idle.html

Bharath
ps : Nothing against blackberries, but haven't missed one since I got the 
E61 - plus I get to load all my apps on it - putty, vnc and even an apache 
web server, running python via the raccoon project :-). 
http://chari.at.openlaboratory.net/



At 07:13 PM 21/11/2007, you wrote:

On 21-Nov-07, at 6:40 PM, Bharath Chari wrote:


Beats the heck out of using a blackberry connect, with its silly 15
minute polling interval.


I always thought Blackberrys had some instantaneous update magic.
Thanks -- I'll keep my E61i.

-Jace, using an 1200 in the interim while the E61i gets unbricked

Re: [silk] Gmail on the E61 (was New iphone ad)

[Bharath Chari]

Gmail has opened up IMAP access (maybe it has been open for a while and I 
just found out). Works flawlessly on the E61. This means I don't need to 
use the gmail app for symbian. The nice part is that sent mail gets stored 
in the imap sent folder, saving the need to bcc yourself and do gymnastics 
later.


Setup instructions here:
https://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=78887

In general, I find the default mail client very usable. IMAP IDLE works 
like a charm for me and mail is delivered to my phone almost instantly, and 
unless I move out of coverage for an extended period of time, have never 
had to manually connect.


Beats the heck out of using a blackberry connect, with its silly 15 minute 
polling interval.


Bharath
At 10:27 PM 04/11/2007, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:


Seen it - but instead of that or an iphone I picked up a nokia e61 today ..
almost as good as a treo or blackberry, slightly larger keyboard and all
the nokia shortcuts I am accustomed to. Add symbian versions of opera and
lonelycat profimail to replace the default browser and email client and I
should have a very usable phone indeed, if not one that is as sexy as an
iphone.

Re: [silk] One question

[Bharath Chari]

At 05:12 PM 2/6/2007, Udhay Shankar N wrote:

I think Eugen (channeling William Gibson) put it well when he called money 
a consensual hallucination. The question that Zainab is asking can also be 
restated this way:


Or as DNA put it:



This planet has - or rather had - a problem, which was this: most of the 
people on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were 
suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with 
the movements of small green pieces of paper, which is odd because on the 
whole it wasn't  the small green pieces of paper that were unhappy.


And so the problem remained; lots of the people were mean, and most of them 
were miserable, even the ones with digital watches.


Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in 
coming  down  from the trees in the first place. And some said that even 
the trees had been a bad move, and that no-one should ever have left the 
oceans.




Bharath 

Re: [silk] online map suggestions.....

[Bharath Chari]

Simple solution. Mark them on Google Earth and move them to a folder. Save 
the KML , and upload to a web server. You can access it through Google Maps.


eg :
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=http://chari.arachnis.com/address.kml&ie=UTF8&z=3&om=0

Bharath


At 09:19 AM 1/16/2007, Biju Chacko wrote:

Hack up something using the google maps api?

-- b

On 15/01/07, ashok _ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

i have been looking for an online map system which will allow me to
flag people (contacts) on a world map along the lines of frappr.
I dont really want a "membership" and members marking themselves on
the map(which frappr does).

any suggestions?

[silk] What are the odds?

[Bharath Chari]

Check the word verification image :-)

http://silk.arachnis.com/whataretheodds.jpg

Bharath

Re: [silk] Hole in the wall project

[Bharath Chari]

http://www.hole-in-the-wall.com/


At 05:20 AM 10/3/2006, Thaths wrote:


Reading yet another article [1] about the Hole in the Wall project I
realized that I have not heard any updates on this project in the last
4-5 years. Anyone know if further tests were conducted as part of this
proejct? Also, does anyone know, first-hand, if this project actually
happened and was reported on accurately?

Thaths
[1] http://www.greenstar.org/butterflies/Hole-in-the-Wall.htm
--
Homer: He has all the money in the world, but there's one thing he can't buy.
Marge: What's that?
Homer: (pause) A dinosaur.
   -- Homer J. Simpson
Sudhakar ChandraSlacker Without Borders





Bharath

Re: [silk] Fwd: NIAS-IDPAD study report

[Bharath Chari]

No problem. In fact, more articles are welcome.

Bharath

At 09:43 AM 9/25/2006, Udhay Shankar N wrote:

Bharath maintains the Arachnis server. I think it should be OK as of now. 
(Bharath?)


If the number of hits grows too large we have the option of removing the file.

Udhay

Re: [silk] Pluto demoted from Planet to 'dwarf planet' status

[Bharath Chari]

At 08:25 PM 8/28/2006, Dave Long wrote:
Astrology in the west is so hide-bound that the calendar dates for zodiac 
signs are shifted relative to events in the sky, but fortunately the error 
does not affect the accuracy of their results)


Astrology? Accuracy? Results? Wow!!!

Bharath

Re: [silk] some advice...remote management

[Bharath Chari]

At 08:35 AM 8/4/2006, Udhay Shankar N wrote:


Abhijit Menon-Sen wrote: [ on 08:03 AM 8/4/2006 ]


> But isn't this getting kinda technical for this list?

Er, no?


Occasional technical threads should be fine, I guess. I wonder what the 
non-tech folk think, though.


I second AMS on that. I think there is a high proportion of tech-savvy 
people on this list. And a thread like this is unlikely to be long, and can 
quickly be taken off list. Which was not the case on the never-ending 
Bangalore saga :)



Bharath

Re: [silk] Geographic spread

[Bharath Chari]

At 10:09 PM 8/2/2006, Ramakrishnan Sundaram wrote:


FWIW, I'm from Bangalore myself, and the Bangalore messages are irritating.


Hear. Hear. It is a rather effective way of defeating the original purpose 
of the list - which was Interesting Conversations - (relevant to a wide 
section of the list members)


Bharath

ps : Have been in Bangalore for the past 11 years.

Re: [silk] The Silk Archive

[Bharath Chari]

At 06:51 PM 7/7/2006, Thaths wrote:


On 7/7/06, Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Thaths wrote: [ on 06:44 PM 7/7/2006 ]
>grep, sed, awk, tr, wc and friends allow me to slice and dice an mbox
>archive quite well. SELECT silklist.from, silklist.subject WHERE ...
>is just too painful to consider.
The intention here, however, was to present a web-accessible archive.
A database might be of use there.


Between Udhay and me, we have a mostly complete archive from 1997 onwards. 
The problem is that the archive is in the Eudora mailbox format. I have 
used the python script Eudora2mbx with iffy results. But to be honest, the 
project kind of dropped out of my todo list. Guess I will have to revive it.


Any volunteers for an interface? Threaded would be nice.

Bharath

Re: [silk] retirement home in India?

[Bharath Chari]

At 06:19 PM 7/5/2006, Udhay Shankar N wrote:


Not sure about other providers, but I do know that airtel is already 
offering this.


Reliance and BSNL. And they both work at my "retirement" spot - which is 50 
km (1 hours drive) from Bangalore. For those who are familiar with the 
region, it is near Doddaballapur.



Bharath

Re: [silk] Data recovery specialists in Bangalore

[Bharath Chari]

You could try these guys:

Stellar Information Systems Ltd. (ISO 9001:2000 Company)
Bangalore S-712, South Block, Manipal Center Dickenson Road, Bangalore-42
Voice & Fax  +91-80-25327865, 25327866.
Software Sales, Support & Service Lab
New Delhi, Bangalore, Mumbai, Gurgoan
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


I haven't tried them yet, but am due to visit them in the next couple of 
days to try and recover data for a friend. They sent me a product info 
sheet etc. Mail me offlist if you want me to forward it to you.


Bharath


At 04:58 PM 6/2/2006, Madhu Menon wrote:


Does anyone know any data recovery specialists in Bangalore? I doubt that 
the  hardware itself is fried, since the BIOS still detects it.

[silk] WTF?

[Bharath Chari]

Google returns something bizarre when you search for example.com eg 
site:example.com.  (It doesn't return You have reached this page because 
blah blah.., which it should be doing) .


It returns (from what I can gather) the Meta Description for a logistics 
and transportation company. I have a screen shot in case it disappears.


http://silk.arachnis.com/wtf.jpg


Thaths???  Jeremy ???


Bharath

Re: [silk] The Silk Community Page

[Bharath Chari]

Sorry about that. I didn't do the redirect properly. Now 
http://arachnis.com/silk-list has been redirected to silk.arachnis.com


Bharath

At 09:15 PM 5/2/2006, Udhay Shankar N wrote:


Biju Chacko wrote: [ on 08:51 PM 5/2/2006 ]


Looks the same to me.


Hm. That was supposed to redirect to 
http://silk.arachnis.com/community.html - let's see what happened.


Udhay

Re: [silk] Cartoon Row

[Bharath Chari]

Is it just me or does everyone get two copies of Rishab's mail?

Bharath

At 08:29 PM 2/20/2006, Rishab Aiyer Ghosh wrote:


At 06:44 20/02/2006, Biju Chacko wrote:

Yeah, it's ruled by bleeding heart liberals -- what's all this rot
about freedom of speech, anyway? We need regime-change over there.
Let's call Dubya.


in the past 3 years denmark has shifted radically to the right, with 
extremist xenophobic parties kept out of govt only by their main policies 
being adopted within the govt. that's the context of the cartoon row...


danes are pretty defensive here when people justifiably accuse them of 
losing their liberal, tolerant attitudes.


-rishab

Re: [silk] 100 best first lines from novels

[Bharath Chari]

At 02:34 PM 2/3/2006, Nishant Shah wrote:

And much as I dont like her, Ann Ryand's Anthem which says, if memory 
serves me right (it doesn't generally), "This is a sin to write" or some 
such thing.


Unwitting flamebait? : Udhay , #

Bharath

Re: [silk] Public list?

[Bharath Chari]

At 07:16 AM 2/2/2006, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:



Its not a private list. But well, nobody but a silklister really cares
about silklist, or has ever heard of silklist :)


Well it is a private list to the extent that only members can post, and 
Udhay keeps his beady eye on the subscriptions. The archives are public, 
and have been since 1997.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/silk-list/


Bharath

Re: [silk] Indian history spat hits US

[Bharath Chari]

Throwing random fuel into this "agni":

http://www.genome.org/cgi/content/full/11/6/994

Bharath

At 08:21 AM 2/1/2006, Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:

Maybe. I don't know. Let me check and see if I had my perceptions based 
on facts in the first place.


looks like a close run thing ..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghaggar-Hakra_River

Re: [silk] Indian history spat hits US

[Bharath Chari]

At 03:56 PM 1/30/2006, Frank Pohlmann wrote:


The general point I am trying to make is that I don't
really think that Americans are alone in their refusal
to learn anything having to do with another language.
Indians may think that they have to simply because the
linguistic situation in India makes it imperative to
study several languages, but except for English, few,
if any, are usable outside an Indian context. So, they
end up knowing half a dozen languages, but they would
still starve in Paris. Except for Udhay. He would just
order a beer;) (Sorry, couldnt resist).


Try not knowing a word of French and being a vegetarian in Paris. The road 
to starvation is swift.


Bharath

Re: [silk] OCR verification / pattern matching....

[Bharath Chari]

At 06:21 PM 1/18/2006, Ashok Hariharan wrote:


Hi:

this is slightly long.
I am posting this question on this list as there seem to be people of
diverse backgrounds here...,
and hopefully someone can come up with an ideaor a solution...!

This for a legislative automation project ;  We are in the process of
converting a corpus of legislative acts and bills into
digital format.


Contact me offlist. I know someone who is in this line of work. He may be 
able to help you.


Bharath

Re: [silk] Jolly Green Giant

[Bharath Chari]

At 12:52 AM 1/5/2006, Sean Doyle wrote:

The quote that I remember (I think it was from a Scientific American 
article a few years ago) is that "Absinthe makes the tart grow fonder".


Or to Yamaha's chagrin "Abscess makes the fart go Honda".

Bharath

Re: [silk] Social group size as a function of brain size

[Bharath Chari]

At 06:08 PM 12/11/2005, Mahesh Murthy wrote:


A significant number of people, yours truly among them, have active networks
that span 5 to 10 times that number of people. My own Outlook contacts list
has more than 7,000 people on it, for instance - and it's far smaller then
that of several other people I know.


I am quite sure that I have a network well below the 150 mark. I have 
around 300 numbers on my phone but am clueless as to who most of the people 
are. Actually, I think I have had interesting conversations with less than 
20 people over the past year. Not complaining one bit.


And since I mostly reply to mail, I don't even have an address book, other 
than what is automagically generated by some mail clients, and what's in my 
head.


Out of curiosity, how many of those 7000 have you actually contacted in the 
past year, in a non-business context? And had meaningful "social interaction"?


Bharath

Re: [silk] Hey ;)

[Bharath Chari]

Just created an account on this, and found that they "conveniently" allow 
you to add addresses from your Yahoo or MSN address books.


So Frank, rest assured that your "friends" who are in your yahoo address 
book are doomed to getting SPAM from these guys, and their partners. Well, 
of course their privacy policy says it all in any case:




hi5 collects personal information when you register, when you use hi5, when 
you visit hi5 pages or the pages of certain hi5 partners. hi5 may combine 
information about you that we have with information we obtain from business 
partners or other companies. Once you register with hi5 and sign in to our 
services, you are not anonymous to us. hi5 collects information about your 
transactions with us and with some of our business partners. hi5 
automatically receives and records information on our server logs from your 
browser.


Use of information
Profile information and photos are displayed to people who view your 
profile. In order to provide useful information about social networks, we 
may use your profile information and photos on the hi5 website and when we 
send emails. Additionally, when you send email invitations to join hi5, we 
may use your email address. When you click to view a member's profile, we 
may show that member that you clicked to view their profile. If you wish 
not be shown to members whose profiles you viewed, you can change this in 
your privacy settings.


We provide the information to trusted partners who work on behalf of or 
with hi5 under confidentiality agreements. These companies may use your 
personal information to help hi5 communicate with you about offers from hi5 
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Have fun.

Bharath

Re: [silk] Hey ;)

[Bharath Chari]

At 12:46 PM 11/3/2005, Udhay Shankar N wrote:



Well, you must have given hi5.com your yahoo password. :)

I recommend changing the password.


You mean to say that this thing actually asks for the password to your 
existing email ID? And people have been giving it? I have been wondering 
why people I have not heard from for years (and would have liked to have 
kept that way), have been asking me to join this. Or is it the old scam of 
being able to check your mail through their site?


Nuke the bastards.

Bharath

Re: [silk] The Buckymobile Is Born

[Bharath Chari]

Hmmm. A Ricercar. Bach would have been happy.

Bharath

At 05:49 PM 10/25/2005, Indrajit Gupta wrote:

Ribbing us, are you? Somebody'll draw a bead on you if you don't stop 
right away, and only a carcasse will be left to tread on.


Udhay Shankar N <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote: [ on 05:14 PM 10/25/2005 ]

> > Researchers at Rice University have built a one-molecule car, complete
> > with working chassis, axles, and wheels.
>
>Ah. A ricer?

Trotting out the tire-d puns again, are we? Enough to drive one to
drink (sake, natch)

Udhay

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