Its not Me!
Dear Vern; As for your dehydration, I can tell you that I have had severe dehydration twice from what the docs told me was gall bladder attack. The second time, the docs wanted to stick an IV in me to rehydrate me and I decided to go home and rehydrate orally instead. Those were the worst 3 days that I have had in a long while. I can't explain how I felt, but it was just barely human. Anyhow, I bet I was drinking a couple of gallons a day and it still took 3 days to get back to a reasonable normal feeling. Apparently rehydration takes some time if you don't go the IV route. Vern _ IMHO, you show me someone with dehydration, I will show you some one with very low minerals, Iodine, K+, Na+, trace minerals, etc. Vern, when you were feeling awful and drinking all that water, did you think to replace your minerals??? If the electrolytes are imbalanced, you will feel weak, dizzy and awful, because the milieu is imbalanced and the body's normal mechanisms, like heart pumping action and electrical conductivity, O2 exchange in the system, etc, cannot function properly. Lets say you already had low sodium Na+ and Potassium K+. Drinking alot more water, depending upon what type, would actually prolong the dehydration. When Dr.s rehydrate people, they always infuse electrolytes with some sugar water. Along with the electrolytes giving some sugar (dextrose) helps the minerals be reabsorbed more quickly and kick starts the Carbohydrate cycle, which produces the energy for the body to work. I am over summarizing this here to make a point, and I hope I am not offending anyone who really understands the chemistry! Did you ever get a copy of all of your lab work from the Dr? If not, get it! Look at the electrolyte panel and see where your levels were, Na+, K+, Cl- and compare them to the normals that the lab gives. This will be very helpful for you to learn to stay out of those emergency situations that we all dread so! Also learning how to keep your levels in balance will make for a lot more healthier and balanced body! God Bless ya, Vern. Please feel free to e-mail the values if you want to discuss them. chc -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Apologies for all the noise
On 14 Jul 98 at 13:47, John or Valerie Surgeon wrote: [I think I've mailbombed myself!]. ... I've had some trouble following who said what to who and when. The double and single greater thans get mixed up sometimes, and my ISP seems to download my messages kind of mixed up, so a reply can come in before the original message. ... Any suggestions? Getting inundated with incoming mail is a big problem when you sign up for more than one or two lists, or if they're high volume (like this one is becoming! grin). There are features in some of the e-mail programs that let you sort incoming messages into separate folders or in-baskets, or whatever they choose to call it. Then each list can have it's own place to accumulate, and all you see in your regular mailbox is personal messages and the usual spam. Check the documentation for your program and see if they talk about filters, sorting, or twit-filters, as they might use any of those to refer to this function. I'm on about 8 lists, some generating high traffic. I usually get upwards of 300 mail a day. I never read it all, but when I have time, I dip into each of the folders and check up on what's being talked about. Once a month or so I just dump any unread messages over a month or two old to keep my hard disk from filling up too fast. The silver list is the only one that I let come into my incoming mail folder. That way I always see what's going on and if anything is required of the moderator (me). I'd never go back to a program without filtering capabilities. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: A Simple CS Generator?
Hello Sharon, and welcome! Here's a copy of the Intro and Overview FAQ that'll help you get started. I'll eventually be putting good directions and a proven DIY design on the web site for the list, but until then these other sites will do just fine for you. Come on in with your questions and results anytime! Be well, Mike D. On 14 Jul 98 at 19:57, Sharon Cole wrote: Greetings, We are new to this list and new to CS generators. We have directions for a simple CS generator using batteries. We are homesteaders and are wanting to have CS for the antibiotic and general healing properties. Are there any sites that have information on CS? Thank You for all your information, Sharon --- Begin included message Greetings and welcome to the silver-list. This FAQ will give you a brief introduction to the world of Colloidal Silver and an overview by way of a few decent web sites. INTRODUCTION: First, please understand that a *lot* of what you'll find online about colloidal silver (CS) is imprecise, unscientific, and hype. There are almost no controlled studies of any kind. There is precious little objective data to back up even the most fundamental claims. Also, there is a backlash against colloidal silver from debunkers who will do everything in their power to scare you away through exaggeration and fear. They dismiss *all* favorable evidence and results in apparent overreaction to the plentiful CS hype. Their claims do not hold up in the face of readily available facts. Most of the information you receive will be anecdotal testimony, to be taken on faith or common sense until you can verify it yourself. And be forewarned, you'll find yourself rubbing shoulders with advocates of every kind of alternative medicine, from time honored to wildly speculative. What persists, when all is said and done, are the compelling accounts of people who have successfully treated some very serious conditions. They are not trying to sell you anything, but only want others to be helped as they have been. It is these people that have made me want to discover the truth about colloidal silver. A WEB OVERVIEW: A good jumping off point is this article by Peter Lindemann which lays the groundwork and points out some of the mythology that confuses the issue: http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm Commercial CS Generators: These sites are good sources of CS information and low voltage direct current CS generators: Elixa, http://www.elixa.com Sota Instruments, http://www.sota-inc.com/index.html A variety of more sophisticated high-voltage AC and DC generators are offered by: CS Pro Systems, http://www.csprosystems.com/ Build Your Own CS Generators: It's easy and inexpensive to build your own CS generator. Plans and instructions as well as kits and pre-wired units can be found at these individuals' web sites: Mark Metcalf, http://www.silversolutions.com/ Read his Article One and Article Two, linked at the bottom of the left-hand frame Thomas Miller, http://www.bioelectrifier.com/ The link to the CS generator is near the bottom of the page. Other Information And Product Sources: http://www.wwmagic.com/clearlake/index.html They sell an interesting sounding book by a Dr. Hill. They have excerpts on line. http://www.escape.ca/~revive/ and http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy These folks sell a mild silver protien product that is quite carefully made. A lot of good silver info on their site. http://www.wishgranted.com/ The online version of a booklet about CS. The author indulges in a couple of radically speculative scientific theories, but the information on CS is helpful. CONCLUSION: When you browse these sites you will inevitably find conflicting information about different products or methods. Especially, many vendors will claim their products are unique or superior or the only safe and effective CS. Take such claims with a grain of salt! There are also many other sites and resources. In no way do I wish to imply by the inclusion or exclusion of any site that this is the best there is. Nor do I endorse everything, or necessarily anything, you will find at these sites. I hope that exploring these sites will give you an idea of what CS is, how it is made and used, and some of the issues that are being debated among different vendors and experimentors. If you have more questions or need help getting started, feel free to ask for help on the silver-list. The silver-list is a moderated, non-commercial forum for discussion of Colloidal Silver and related topics. We steer clear of religious and political topics, and stay close to our central mission of learning about CS, helping interested newcomers get started, and supporting our efforts to be healthier. Thank you for reading this far. I hope to get to know you on the list. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner *** DISCLAIMER: I'm not a doctor and I don't
Cs Testing Movement
Excellent Idea! Bob Wells Brooks Bradley wrote: For the group inaugurating the effort to commercially test CS, I would like to offer a suggestion for your consideration. If the person generating the sample material would make up a 32 ounce Master Sample, a very useful protocol might be invoked. To wit: By retaining the bulk of this Master Sample, this person could ship small calibration samples (together with a simple nomogram displaying actual test results) to each of the persons who contributed to having the commercial test made. Each recipient would then have an excellent means of calibrating his/her TDS instrument---individually. This could help maximize the benefit of the test for each of the supporters. Best wishes to all.
Re: An observation...
Joyce Inouye wrote: What is your web site for the silver generator? Also, please list parts and where we can buy them. Thank you, :) Joyce I've had some interest expressed by a few people; (really not that many expressed an interest so far...) Busy times for me right now; give me a few days to draft up the circuit diagram write up some construction notes; there'll eventually be a new html page, probably called something like, cspulsed.htm going on the website linked from the other pages. I'll post a notice to the silver list when the page is up. By the way, thanks to those who did express an interest; I'll try to find time to get this done fairl soon! Let me know if anyone's interested; times are busy, but we can make it happen if there's an expressed interest. Otherwise, the circuit will sit on the 'back burner' for a while longer... Be Well! Bruce K. Stenulson Applied Technology The Alternate Health Approaches Forum http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: An observation...
I think you've hit the the KEY to making QUALITY silver--a CONSISTENTLY LOW voltage. I came across a site that made silver .005-.010 microns colloids using LOW VOLTAGE. The GOLDEN color you observed is often associated with colloidal silver of this size, and is mentioned in literature to have good germicidal qualities. Perhaps you could devise an instrument that keeps the voltage at a low level, yet makes colloidal silver fairly fast, like the commercial silver makers. Regards, :) Joyce On Mon, 13 Jul 1998, George Martin wrote: Recently I had occasion to produce numerous batches of CS in a short period of time. Since I had several going at once I had to pay a bit more attention to the process then normal. What I noticed and would like to share with the list follows. My procedure is pretty much what I term 'list standard'. I start with 28 oz of distilled water (I use mason jars that I just happened to have sitting around). This is heated using a coffee cup warmer to approx 120 F. or so. The electrodes are two 5 lengths of .999 16 ga wire. Since I can't get Hanna Instruments to respond to my inquiries I usually process the CS until it turns a gentle amber color...about an hour after the first indications of CS production appear. I guess that this is probably in the range of 10-15 ppm based on list discussions. I am an electronics tech by trade and am curious about the goings on in my little circuit. So I have two digital multi-meters connected to analyze the process. One is in series with the voltage source to measure current and the other is connected across the electrodes to measure voltage. I have run this set up two ways; with three 9-volt batteries in series to give 27 VDC and with an old linear power supply I had on my work bench that supplies a fixed 36 VDC. The process didn't vary considerably when I used the higher voltage so that is what I usually do. Seems my wife always has a need for 9 volt batteries... At the beginning of the process the readings were on average 36 VDC at a current of .15 - .40 ma depending on the quality of the distilled water. Over the space of 20 to 30 minutes the voltage would drop a volt or so and the current would slowly increase. When the current reached approx. 3.0 ma the wispy discharge would become apparent. From this point on the current would increase at a quicker rate due of course to the increased conductivity of the CS solution. When the current read 8.0 - 10.0 ma I noticed something different occur. In addition to the CS 'floating' around in the vicinity of the electrodes there was also a rather thick 'stream' of CS that was sinking to the bottom of the container. This was in spite of the convection currents caused by the heating device. The 'stream' was eventually dispersed by the convection as it sank lower but this made me curious. I then ran a batch using the same setup as above with preheated water but no active heating device. This was to hopefully minimize the convection currents. I also let the process continue for about 2 hours. What I noticed was that the 'stream' of CS that sank seemed to pool in the bottom of the jar. There was a distinctly darker appearance to this and it was about 1/4 or so thick. After I terminated the process I let it set overnight in a dark cabinet and observed it the next day and noticed no change. I then gave it a stir and mixed everything up. I let it sit for an additional three days and didn't notice any settling with the exception of some of the sludge that had dropped off of the electrode during the proccessing. It looked like a regular (darker than usual due to the extra time cooking) jar of CS. This got me to thinking... I know that CS is produced at all times during the process. That is why the conductivity of the water slowly changes. I also had observed that at certain current levels different effects were seen. Next I modified my little circuit by adding some variable resistance. I then started another batch using essentially the same setup as before only this time the voltage was lowered to 9 VDC. No particular reason why I chose that value but it seemed appropriate since the standard is three 9-volt batteries... The initial current read .14 ma. (I think that this may be due to the failure of my particular meter to accurately indicate very low current values). and very slowly began to climb. I won't try to make a table of readings or anything but suffice to say that nothing really note worthy was happening for several hours with the exception of the currently slowly increasing and the negative electrode darkening. After five hours I observed a very faint tint to the water and a distinct Tyndal (sp) effect. The current had reached 2.45 ma and the negative
Re: UPDATE - ATTN: BJS!!
likow...@earthlink.net wrote: Yup! And he shrugged and asked what it is and what it does. When I told him, he snidely remarked that we've only known about most bacteria for a hundred years or so! Say WHAT?! How the HELL does that relate to people staying healthy from using it??!! See, *this* is the kind of ARROGANCE that I've had to deal with; and what's *really* pathetic is to watch how all the new interns hover around this guy all eager to learn his wisdom. He probably has the power to end the interns career very early if they didn't. Similar to Clinton I guess. bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Brain fog anecdotes
It's not me wrote: Debbie, Did you have any problems with the parasite program? I got to about day 12 and felt really strange and stopped. No, I did not have any problems after the fear on the first dayG. I did the whole thing and then the maintenance but not for long as I was to have surgery and did not know if my right upper quadrant pain was my liver or my gall bladder so I stopped it to be sure and have not started up again. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: OT: Liver Cleanse
Hi Whitney, It's still not right. Try it. Sandy san...@better.net -- From: Philip Collins xanadu...@email.msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: OT: Liver Cleanse Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 11:50 PM Sandy and all-- Thanks and very sorry, I mistyped a q instead of a g. Here is the correct address for liver cleanse recipe: http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/reg/cleanse/liver/txt. Whitney Collins The email address given below-for Brian McInturf- for info on liver flushes is incorrect. Sandy san...@better.net -- From: Philip Collins xanadu...@email.msn.com -Original Message- From: Frank Matzka fmat...@senet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 8:00 PM Subject: Re: OT: Brain fog anecdotes Can you describe this liver flush procedure for me? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Off-TopicRe: another reason to use CS
Joyce, I don't know how many tabs or caps you get for that, but it seems a bit high for anything less than 150. I'm taking a similar formulation from another company and it is much less for 90 caps. -Original Message- From: Joyce Inouye jinou...@ccsf.cc.ca.us To: Bill Kingsbury kings...@gte.net Cc: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 10:26 PM Subject: Off-TopicRe: another reason to use CS but there are formulas just for the heart--Cardio One, for example, has Folic Acid (2.4 mg.), Vitamin B6 (10 mg.); Trimethylglycine (for reducing homocysteine levels); and a few other ingredients for vascular support. I haven't tried the Cardio One, so I don't know how effective it is (I don't have a heart problem.) It sells for $17.95 at 1-800-227-1937 Ext. 30740 for around $17. As I said, I think the money would be better spent :) Joyce -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: OT: Liver Cleanse
Still wrong, try http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/reg/cleanse/liver.txt instead. -Original Message- From: Philip Collins xanadu...@email.msn.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 14, 1998 9:56 PM Subject: Re: OT: Liver Cleanse Sandy and all-- Thanks and very sorry, I mistyped a q instead of a g. Here is the correct address for liver cleanse recipe: http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/reg/cleanse/liver/txt. Whitney Collins The email address given below-for Brian McInturf- for info on liver flushes is incorrect. Sandy san...@better.net -- From: Philip Collins xanadu...@email.msn.com -Original Message- From: Frank Matzka fmat...@senet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 8:00 PM Subject: Re: OT: Brain fog anecdotes Can you describe this liver flush procedure for me? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Brain fog anecdotes
Debbie, Did you have any problems with the parasite program? I got to about day 12 and felt really strange and stopped. I didn't know if the really strange feeling was good or bad and since I didn't have anyone to ask at the time, I thought I had better stop the whole thing. As for your dehydration, I can tell you that I have had severe dehydration twice from what the docs told me was gall bladder attack. The second time, the docs wanted to stick an IV in me to rehydrate me and I decided to go home and rehydrate orally instead. Those were the worst 3 days that I have had in a long while. I can't explain how I felt, but it was just barely human. Anyhow, I bet I was drinking a couple of gallons a day and it still took 3 days to get back to a reasonable normal feeling. Apparently rehydration takes some time if you don't go the IV route. Vern -Original Message- From: Debbie McDonald lullw...@flash.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 8:34 AM Subject: Re: Brain fog anecdotes I used Clarkes parasite program and the ornithine worked for me like a charm LOW BLOOD pressure causes dehydration. I can sit here and guzzle water all day and not restore my hydration. Anyone have any theories on that one? Sorry off topic:) Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: UPDATE - ATTN: BJS
With all my ranting in the last post, I forgot to answer your question: I met the unfortunate CF victim too late; he was already so sick that he was urinating blood from all the drugs they were pumping into him and he was too scared to sway from the great doctor's influence. I showed him the bottle and gave his mother the phone number, but I'm sure they never called. When CF progresses to that point, the victims become like deer in the headlights: Lack of breath, emaciation and toxic side affects from the drugs take over and it's a merry-go-round of one fear after another; confusion rules. You don't know who to trust and the doctor seems like the Angel In White. I've been very close to death twice, and can tell you I know the feeling I saw in that man's eyes the last time I saw him. In fact, the first time I almost died he was in the hospital at the same time and while I was in bed on oxygen afraid that I'd never leave there alive, I would see him and his mother walking by everyday. They even peaked in once to ask my mom how I was doing, even tho we hadn't met. Back then, *he* was the stronger one and I didn't know if I would make it. Then I got out of the hospital and said Screw this crap: These stinking drugs make me as sick as the disease! and did massive juicing and ozone and CS and some Beck stuff and herbs and vits and mins and NO MORE DAIRY PRODUCTS and lots of fruit and water and I became 10 times stronger than I was in the hospital! But Tom kept following the doctor's advice with all the drugs - and now he's dead. An interesting contrast, isn't it? I'm still not out of danger (just coughed up blood for the first time in 2 years yesterday), but I'm *MUCH* better than I was back in November! Now I need to see how far I can take it. Dameon ___ By the way, list, I lost another in a long line of friends with my disease on Friday. He was only 27 and believed in and fully trusted his doctor - the same doctor I trusted for most of my years, Dameon Have you told your doctor about CS Dameon? Did you friend try CS? bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: UPDATE - ATTN: BJS!!
Yup! And he shrugged and asked what it is and what it does. When I told him, he snidely remarked that we've only known about most bacteria for a hundred years or so! Say WHAT?! How the HELL does that relate to people staying healthy from using it??!! See, *this* is the kind of ARROGANCE that I've had to deal with; and what's *really* pathetic is to watch how all the new interns hover around this guy all eager to learn his wisdom. I feel like walking up to him right in front of them all and saying Hey, Stern! Lose any patients lately? It's a good thing I didn't follow *your* instructions for staying alive or I'd ALREADY BE DEAD! When I implied this to one of his fellow-doctors in private, she looked at me with hate and proceeded to repremand me like a child! Talk about ARROGANCE: I'm 42 and still alive with a disease that kills most by 20 or 30 and she had the audacity to scold me for saying I'm still alive because throughout my life I've only taken about 1/4 of all the drugs that Stern wanted me to! Can you believe this *DUNG* (the word was originally *SHIT* but I don't want to sound too nasty)?! I BLASPHEMED against one of their own - the GODS - and got my wrist verbally slapped! I learned that day *when* to keep my mouth shut! Hey, bjs! How come I can't send things to your personal email address?? They always come back to me! Dameon ___ By the way, list, I lost another in a long line of friends with my disease on Friday. He was only 27 and believed in and fully trusted his doctor - the same doctor I trusted for most of my years, Dameon Have you told your doctor about CS Dameon? Did you friend try CS? bjs -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Provocative thoughts
Yeah, Fidget, I do think you might go off GSE for a while and see if the fog clears up. Just go off that one thing. For a week. If you get any improvement, stay off it, and see how much better you can get. Our brains are our most precious asset, no? I also have candida problems, and had just decided to try GSE for them, but I may be re-thinking my decision!!! Best, Whitney -Original Message- From: Fidget fid...@warwick.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, July 13, 1998 12:27 AM Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts That is an excellent question Whitney, certainly one I'd like to know the answer as well. I have fibromyalgia and candida. I've been taking only one capsule a day (in the AM) for the last two weeks now, specifically using it to try and clear up the candida. I also have the liquid GsE (glycerine based) which I occasionally use to gargle with (very infrequently and I don't swallow it). I've been thinking about all this brain fog talk here and I'm wondering if that is what is causing me to walk around like a veggie. No joke either. I just can't seem to think straight lately and my fibro symptoms have seemed to magnify itself. I've even developed swollen legs/feet that took a week to subside. Pretty painful getting around. Is it a herx? I wonder since this GsE kills off so much bacteria, etc. that it just might be. You think it may be a good idea to stop using it for awhile to see if my symptoms clear up? Also, I seem to be off-balance, meaning that I frequently stumble or lose my balance. If this stuff is not the culprit, I really wonder what's causing it. I take a lot of different herbs as well as CS. Maybe I'm overdosing or detoxing from too many things? I wonder and yet I've been too tired and foggy to figure it all out. Fidget Philip Collins wrote: Hello, Charles. Brain fog is certainly an awful symptom. But I wonder if the brain fog you mention is a kind of Herx? Any thoughts? Whitney Collins -Original Message- From: Charles L. Church h...@piggott.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, July 05, 1998 11:39 PM Subject: Re: Provocative thoughts GSE, Grapefruit seed extract, also called standardized extract of grapefruit, is a powerful antimicrobial agent that is effective against yeast and protazoans. However MANY people who take it get severe brain fog such as myself. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: OT: Liver Cleanse
Sandy and all-- Thanks and very sorry, I mistyped a q instead of a g. Here is the correct address for liver cleanse recipe: http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt/reg/cleanse/liver/txt. Whitney Collins The email address given below-for Brian McInturf- for info on liver flushes is incorrect. Sandy san...@better.net -- From: Philip Collins xanadu...@email.msn.com -Original Message- From: Frank Matzka fmat...@senet.com.au To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, July 07, 1998 8:00 PM Subject: Re: OT: Brain fog anecdotes Can you describe this liver flush procedure for me? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Batter Up.....
Dearest CS makers, builders, inventors, ground breakers, guinea pigs and plain old very gutsy people. I am a rank amateur at this and I have just a few basic questions that I hope you all can help me with! I am wondering who are the brave ones among you, who will get up to bat to answer them??? First, what are the differences between CS made via AC power as opposed to CS made via DC power, besides one is plugged in and the other uses batteries? Are there two schools of thought on which is better? Which is more consistent? which one makes smaller particles. Which one has a better charge? Yikes. I am reading what one site says, then what another says, and I am totally confused! I do know of experiments that were done, where water was boiled over electricity, gas and microwave. The water fed to plants from microwave damaged and or killed them; water fed to same plants from electric was not exciting, but water fed to plants from gas heat, grew the best. Now I do not think cooking with gas is that great either. I guess solar cooking is probably the best, but that was not tested. WOuld using solar distilled water to make CS be good??? Why is AC or DC better overall than the other? Thank you so much for your help. I may have some hair left if I can get these questions answered. Second: What is the best way, or method, or place, to get a water that will create the best results. I have a sneaking suspicion that the results have alot to do with water quality. I am no expert, but chemically, molecularly, biologically, magnetically, dissolved solids, heavy metal content, all give every water its own blueprint. Does any one know what is the best water to use. Solar distilled, vs plain distilled, what ph is the best, what osmolarity? etc. Do we have any water experts among us to answer this? Why I ask this is, in my holistic health practice, I have successfully used many water based homeopathics. Now I am sure, because this is vibrational medicine then the water they used to create these homeopathics would become of utmost importance!! Homeopathic manufactures go through all sort of processes to prepare their water to make them into homeopathics - energy medicine! If in fact, it is the charge that the silver carries that interferes with the respiration of foreign organisms, than we are talking about subtle energy medicine once again. As the old Coors commercial used to say, Its the water, and alot more. Yodi, Yodi, Yo... I digress. Next: How do we know that we are not creating toxic compounds? What tests can we do to determine what we are creating. And I do not mean dissolved solids. For years I did Gold and silversmithing. I kinda have an idea of what their oxides look like. They are very unhealthy to ingest. They will cause terrible free radical damage. (Not good) So how do we not make silver oxides, and other unhealthy dissolved solids? How do we make sure that we making the purest Colloidal Silver that is wonderful for us, not good for all those hitchhikers inside of us? Lastly, I know the CS kills all kinds of bugs. Because the stuff I have been making with this 3 wire, DC (3) 9 volt battery jobber kills it. I have put it on black mold very difficult to kill. The CS eats it like candy. I have sprayed it on Lyme rashes, wood rot, man this CS stuff cooks. I can kill anything I can culture! Great, but now I need to be sure that the CS is killing that stuff and not the toxic oxides, nitrates whatever we can make in there. I can't do that unless I know what is actually in there. Do we have any mettalurgists, chemists, weekend warriors out there who have these answers?? Lastly, does anyone out there have or know anybody that has a dark field microscope or at least a 500X microscope that they would loan, rent or sell, so we can study what we can kill with all the stuff we do make of high CS, low peripheral junk! If you do, please have them e-mail me at c...@jps.net. Hey guys, I think you are some of the most courageous, thrill seeking, fabulous down to earth researchers I have met in a long time. I believe that we can help each other get well, help others get well and can help many others get control of their lives with this CS. I hope I haven't thrown a wrench into the works, but I am trying to get a handle on this and I feel like I am just chasing my own tail! Any help with any of the above would be greatly appreciated. And I will understand if you ask me, never to post again! Thanks, chc -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: another reason to use CS
Joyce, The info I have indicates that some atherosclerosis may be caused by elevated homocysteine. This may be corrected by increasing intake of folic acid and vitamins B6 and B12. However, this particular problem is said to be independent of cholesterol levels or cholesterol buildup. --Bill At 05:36 PM 7-14-98 -0700, Joyce wrote: I heard that it is the lac of vitamins (e.g. Folic Acid) that causes cholesterol buildup. Adding this to your diet helps cut down heart attacks by 50%. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
