Re: testing
Reid, Is Lyme Disease contagious? If so, how? God, Gold, and Guns made America great! Jolly -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Proposed CS protocol version 1.1
7-23-98, Mike Devour wrote: [] I believe we can test the results with no light bulb and see just what goes wrong as current gets too high. That will be useful information. Then we can back off on run-time or add the bulb later to fix it. Is this a good way to go, or should we go with a single type of light bulb and just line up a few sources for it? Mike, From the recent discussions, I've gathered that the bulb actually does not function as a current limiter, because 25 or 40 milliamps (allowed by the commonly available small bulbs) is too high of a current to produce 'desirable' CS production. (The bulb does serve to indicate remaining battery strength, and to limit battery drain in case of an electrode short circuit.) Reports indicate that the desired smaller sized CS particles are produced when using lower currents. So far, 8 milliamps seems to be approximately the maximum desired current. I'm inferring this from the following: Please note this was done using 36 vdc: 7-13-98, George wrote: When the current reached approx. 3.0 ma the wispy discharge would become apparent. From this point on the current would increase at a quicker rate due of course to the increased conductivity of the CS solution. When the current read 8.0 - 10.0 ma I noticed something different occur. In addition to the CS 'floating' around in the vicinity of the electrodes there was also a rather thick 'stream' of CS that was sinking to the bottom of the container. I've thought of a simple current limiting design. It uses 2 or 3 pairs of electrodes configured with one center anode, surrounded by a circle of 3, 4, or 5 cathodes wired in parallel to the anode. The battery output will be limited to 25 milliamps, by feeding it through 2 or 3 of the 12v x 25 ma bulbs wired in series, to handle either 24-27 or 36 vdc. (Radio Shack bulbs, part number 272-1141A) The parallel circuit, per-cathode current will thus be limited to a maximum of 1/3, 1/4, or 1/5 of the bulb's 25 ma -- that is: 8.33, 6.25, or 5.0 milliamps. The smallest CS particle size would then be obtained by using the 6-electrode (5-cathode) design with only 5 ma per cathode. Note: With multiple cathodes, increasing the center anode surface area may additionally improve the production of the smaller sized CS particles. This is a reason to test the results of using larger sized .999+ silver coins and ingots, or a longer length of silver wire(s) for a center anode. For that matter, why not try a (nickel free) stainless steel sleeve about 3 inches in diameter by 5 inches long (submerged length) for a cathode, with a large silver (several coins in a row?) anode positioned along the vertical center line of the cylinder. This would distribute the current flow over a relatively huge area, and perhaps rapidly produce the smallest of CS particles. -- We *still* have to detail procedures for using a TDS-1 or other meter, other ppm testing methods, how to ship samples, and so on. Question: Can the range of effects of the shipping of samples be predicted ? To answer that might require extensive testing in and of itself. What are the effects of moving at various speeds thru various geomagnetic (and geopathic) flux lines, and the simultaneous, unpredictable temperature and vibration parameters -- not to mention cell phones, truck phones, police radar, and the high- voltage, RF emitting ignition systems of internal combustion engines, etc. Can they simply be ignored ? Personally, I wouldn't place any bets without at least several well designed and closely monitored tests. Could all of our experimental results become skewed or compromised by introducing so many unknowns and variables ?? -- Vessel: 16 ounces (500 ml). Canning jars, jelly or pickle jars, or stout glass tumblers could be used. Does overall shape make a difference? I use a one quart (1 litre) bottle that can hold electrodes with 5 inches (125 mm) of wetted length, leaving a 1/2 inch (12 mm) gap to the bottom of the bottle. Perhaps a larger gap between the electrode and the bottle might be desirable -- to minimize any tendency to conductive silver and/or silver compound plating on the bottle, etc. ? The electrode holder design affects the required bottle height. A 'recommended' electrode holder design could be established (suggestions below). -- Electrodes: 2 pieces of 14 ga silver wire, 6 long, 4 wetted length, straight and parallel, 3/4 apart. (15.5cm long, 10.5cm wetted length, 19mm apart.) At least .999 purity. Mount them in a block of wood or other rigid holder that can be placed atop the vessel. Adjust the electrode position so they will be 4 deep in 16 oz of water. To allow for the effects of heating the CS during production, with accelerated evaporation, and the subsequent vapor condensation on the nearby
Re: Darkfield microscopy
One thing that is possable is checking the sizes of particals with the darkfield. If we want a uniform size partical and if it is viewed to be many different sizes under the darkfield then we know that something has to be changed. If we know that we need .001 and we know that it's not possable to see .001 under the m-scope but we see particals then we know that they aren't .001. So we take a picture filter and look again. Good point. If you have a filter that that cuts off at say 0.05 microns, then you should filter out all particles that are resolvable in the microscope. However, you have to make sure you are not also filtering out smaller particles as well. Since the CS particles are charged, you must insure that they are not retained on the filter due to the charge, only due to their size. I think someone already talked about this. The CS particles carry a positive charge, correct? Then you must insure that the filter does not carry a negative charge since opposite charges attract. Now here's something else to consider. What would happen if a person used inferred light? What would happen to the ability to view partical size then? I think you are referring to infrared light, correct (I always have to look this word up myself because I have a hard time remembering how to spell it)? This is light that can't be seen by the human eye. Furthermore, infrared light has longer wavelengths that visible light. Therefore, if you built a special microscope to view with infrared, assuming you had something like a night vision scope to visualize the infrared light, the microscope would not resolve particles as small as those which can be resolved in a standard light microscope. The shorter the wavelength of light, the better the resolution. It is unfortunate that our eyes can't see in the ultraviolet region of the spectrum. Then we could build light microscopes with higher resolution capabilities. In fact, ultraviolet light is used for fluorescence microscopy. In this case you use a special stain on the specimen that will fluoresce with visible light when illuminated with UV. In order to make this work, your condenser must be made from quartz (expensive) because glass absorbs UV (that is why you don't get sunburned when driving in a car all day even if the sun shines on your skin through the windows). Jeff La Favre -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS response
Hi All, Have any of you had any sensation/dull ache (for lack of better word) in your thyroid region upon taking your CS? This happens to me every morning a short while after I drink some. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS response - thyroid
At 07:53 AM 8-2-98 -0500, you wrote: Hi All, Have any of you had any sensation/dull ache (for lack of better word) in your thyroid region upon taking your CS? This happens to me every morning a short while after I drink some. Deb Years ago I read that the thyroid can become colonized by certain types of fungus -- something doctors never test for. A Medline search should turn up some references: http://www.medscape.com/misc/FormMedlineInfLive.html Perhaps you could try a higher and more frequent use of CS. And/or try hot castor oil packs on the throat ? Try mixing GSE (or herbal extracts) into the castor oil ? Or try CS applied to the skin over the thyroid ? This is not a 'prescription', of course, but it may be a useful 'test'. --Bill -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS Immunity - IT'S ALL RELATIVE
Good to see Whitney admit obedience to the unknown variables by the use of vit-C and herbs, though I would hardly classify CS as a big gun compared to other things; big guns usually imply serious risk of damage for the sake of killing the opponent. Has anyone ever been seriously damaged from CS? Ozone will damage if protocols are not carefully followed and I would bet sensitivity levels are much higher amongst the majority than they are to CS. But ozone is a marvelous weapon/healer even though there's a risk; *ozone* is a big gun. With all that's UNknown about the actions of CS in the body - especially since there are implications that we used to get so much more through the foods we'd eat - I believe the way it's used *must* be totally up to the individual. It's a good opportunity for the person to go deeper and *feel* what the correct amount is. Until there is definite empirical evidence that CS *does* interfere with the workings of our immune systems, it's just fear to state that it would or could. Pregnant women are advised to get enough folic acid (part of the B-vitamin complex) to prevent their babies from being born with a disconnected spine; the amount needed to prevent this horrible deformity is not even visible to the naked eye. This, to me, reveals the implications of how important it is to get the proper elements for a healthy life - amount being relative. Who can really say what's enough - vitamins, minerals, CS or otherwise? I was once taking 100,000 IU's of vitamin-A a day for MONTHS as part of a medical experiment. At that level I should have experienced some kind of side affects; they kept asking me if I was, but I wasn't... nothing! Then there's an IV drug for fighting infections in Cystic Fibrosis called Colymycin; *most* patients have terrible side affects from even a small amount: Heavy urination, rubber legs and migrain headaches. When I was on it I felt absolutely nothing - not even tingling toes! I treat silver water as a mineral suppliment that just *happens* to work better than a drug for my situation. Lucky me... so far. Speaking of drugs, just what *is* a drug, in it's simplest definition? They're *subtsances* taken for a specific reason with the intent of getting well. This can also define what a vitamin, mineral or CS is. When I first began studying natural healing/vitamins I read about all kinds of illnesses due to deficiencies (imbalances) that were cured with vitamins/minerals; that kinda sounds similar to a drug. The point is: All these things seem to overlap at some point. How many on this list drink coffee? Alcohol? Smoke? They're saying that a little wine every day is good, even though the body recognizes ALL alcohol as a poison. Coffee's a good example of paradox: When consumed *orally* it depletes the body of valuable necessities and causes all kinds of imbalances with implications of even contributing to some cancers; when taken *rectally*, it initiates a purging affect that is actually used in some cancer treatments! So, all this amounts to the individual's call to use CS and at what amount. But, as one book says, Fate and unforeseen occurrence befall all men (and women). *IF* it turns out that there's a risk to using CS in the long run, that's the price you pay for living. Think of all the other risks taken daily that are not even considered - driving being the most obvious. One of the biggest killers in America is falling in the bathtub and you risk more breathing downtown city air on a smoggy day, because of all the unknown interactions of about 13 million chemicals poured into the atmosphere every year, than you ever could with CS. And no matter how healthy you eat, the body automatically regards food as an invader; this is part of digestion: The attack, breakdown and use of the invader called food with it's inevitable toxins... kind of like what the white blood cells do on their level. And did you know that when sperm enters a woman much of it is *immediately* treated as an intruder and destroyed? Yet we still have over-population. Even the growing fetus can cause chemical changes in the woman that could end up killing her! Seems to me the Great Infinite loves the game of Paradox. I wouldn't be too afraid of CS. One thing is apparent just about everywhere you look in Nature: The Universe doesn't like sissy's. Dameon _ A few folks have very astutely pointed out that there are important exceptions to my let-your-immune-system-try-to-do-its-job-before-intervening theory. Thanks. There are some really nasty bugs out there, and it does not make sense to wait until they have you down before defending yourself. I should also admit that I do not always follow the theory myself. I am already a complete vitamin C junkie, and I start in on the echinacea at the first sign of a cold. But I hesitate to use the big guns (CS) on every little sore throat, fearing that I will become a CS junkie as well. Whitney -- The silver-list is a
Re: Smallest Particle CS: Key to killing Lyme?
That has been my feeling for quite sometime Nancy. The SURFACE area of smaller particles is quite astonishing. Maybe the math pros around here could give us an laymans example of surface area of particles that are 100ppm at .001 verses .005 for example. I thought Reid was going to say something today about his Water-oz silver. It appears that he is in the placebo study at the moment. I think that is a good sign and a very valid observation on his part. bjs Sorry I don't have access to the higher powered m-scope any more (had to give it back) so I can't see the partical size. I'm using a $30 tasko scope now. It does have one advantage over the other scope. It goes down to 60x and that alows me to see almost all of the microbes swimming around at one time. With the other I could only see a few at one time. By being able to see all of them you can tell if they are all effected or just one or two. Since Jim has a good M-scope one thing that could be done is filter testing. Meaning, if we know that XX partical size can't be seen by a microscope, then if he can see partical sizes above XX, we know that we need to filter. After filtering if we still see particals above the XX then we know we need a better filter. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
testing
Thought you all might want to read this!! I am a cellular biologist in Northern California. I have since left my position and am starting a medical research lab at the request of two former colleagues. We have long been interested in various treatments and would like to explore as many as possible. We are privately funded and currently setting up our benches(aerobe and anaerobe) and hopefully a virology dept. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: HVAC System Plans
He got real interested when I told him how much the Motherlode the CSPro units cost. Now he wants plans to make his own, rather than shell out $500+ for someone else's labor. Does anyone have plans for such? Could someone here that's also on the rife list ask this for me on Rife too, and get back to me or give them my email address (bernt...@altavista.net or silverwo...@bigfoot.com )? Many thanks! I'd wait until we find out for sure which works the best. (high voltage or high amperage). Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Smallest Particle CS: Key to killing Lyme?
Nancy List, A post from Christian von Wechmar earlier this spring is worth noteing; he related making CS with a high voltage AC process, and with a ~27 VDC process, and having the particle size of each analized with an electron microscope at a university research facility. As I remember the results, the HVAC CS had noteably LARGER particle sizes than the low voltage DC generated CS in his study. Maybe Christian will summarize those findings before you follow this approach too far. Others have also commented on current limiting approaches possibly producing a better CS product; I'm inclined to believe there is merit to this thought. Higher voltage may achieve the opposite effect than what is desirable... We'll hopefully get some feedback from the darkfield analysis. Voltage is the speed of electrons and amps is the quanity. There has to be voltage to get past the resistance of the distilled water. Just how much will depend on the resistance of the distilled water, lenght and position of the silver wires, and will change as the distilled water becomes filled with the silver paritcals. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Psoriasis
Hi everyone it has been a few weeks since I wrote to the list, and everything is progressing well. My rash is slowly fading, I am still having problems with my face but it starting to improve . Remember I have had psoriasis for at least 20 years so I am very happy with the results . I am taking 50 mills of C.S. 3 times a day and am still using Paw Paw ointment as my skin dries out a lot. Also I am taking fish oil and this seems to help a lot. We have had a water alert in Sydney and thy are telling everyone to boil the water for at least 3 minutes we have got parasites Gardia but I am using C.S. as well in the water so I will let you know how we go . Regards John A normal person can drink plain tap water. A sick person should allways boil their water to remove parasites and or bacteria. That keeps the immune from having to deal with other intruders and lets it fight the battle that it's all ready fighting. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: Money...
I think I know some people that are from Arkansas, that ought to be at Marion. That is the place, right Reid? bjs Yep the old Fed Pin is here. My step dad used to work there and we used to live right on the grounds. You know I can also think of at least one from Gaum that should be here... :] Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
DAMEON IS OK
mailed Dameon .and all is well he has visitors and that is the reason we had not heard from him .. -- Peace and Health to you and may the White Light protect you Barbara and Brian in OZ VK5KBW http://www.senet.com.au/~brains/intro.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
