Re: CS>progress report.
John Jones wrote: > A while back I promised to report my results with 32 ounces of > homemade colloidal silver per day. After about two weeks my stomach > was highly sensitive to the homemade CS I made using a 27volt > generator. I did have some positive results. But the results were > unsatisfactory ... Hi John, I'd appreciate others' comments to this, as all I'm sharing is my gut feeling based on my limited experiences. I tried drinking a fair amount of CS as you did, many ounces a day of probably 20ppm or more. After a week or two I began to have intestinal problems as well as just feeling poorly. When I started to have acute muscle and joint pains in my legs, hips and back I got really concerned. I stopped taking the CS but continued to get worse, rather than better. Now you might wonder if I'm describing a herx. I don't really think so, for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I'm basically healthy. I'm not fighting Lyme or any chronic disease I'm aware of. My original cause for using CS was to beat back the bronchitis and other upper respiratory infections I used to have. The other reason I don't think is was a herx, is what solved it. Jim Einert, our resident ND, had made a couple of suggestions to another list member who described having very similar muscle and joint symptoms. One of the things he said to try was calcium. This got me thinking about basic nutrition, and I had my wife buy me one of those calcium enriched orange juices. I drank only two 4 ounce servings over twelve hours and was immediately much better. What I believe happened is I had thoroughly wiped out my intestinal flora, such that I couldn't absorb many nutrients. I had driven my nutritional state, and probably body chemistry, way out of whack. So my response to what you've described is that you're probably not being subtle enough in designing your regimen. Others here can recommend steps to restore and support your overall balance better than I can. But I think that is what is going to be needed if you're going to use a lot of CS (or anything else for that matter) for a long time. > I am now temporarily switching back to Dr. Farber's Colloidal > Silver Protein - as I had my best overall results with it. Though > within the three days I've started back and a couple days before > I've been much worse. If you read on the Advantage Pharmaceutical site you'll see they suggest other things to do while you are treating your Lyme. I'm not sure you'll feel any better until your digestion gets back to normal, whichever product you're going to use. > Does anyone know how to make Colloidal Silver Protein? Yeah, Dr. Farber and his people? > Is there a machine I can buy or make myself to generate it? I've never heard a discussion of just how they produce their product. I believe they use some pretty high quality methods to control the quality. I don't think I'd try to duplicate it, although the high cost is an incentive. > I would greatly appreciate any help. I don't think the homemade > silver I'm making with my 27 volt generator is strong enough. The reason we're pursuing the low voltage generators as well as others, is because anybody can do it that way. I'm not sure, based on your description, that it's the fault of the CS. You may need to do some other things to support your body during treatment. > Thank you. Take Care. Good luck, John! Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>A Call To Action by Dannion Brinkley
Awww, yer all a bunch of anarchists! Warms my heart! Still, Deb, if you could let us know what you find out I for one would really appreciate it. If it's really a worthwhile effort we should know. I'm skeptical whenever govt offers to "help" us. If they start funding research, they start *controlling* it, too. When they have the power to approve and sanction *any* project, they acquire the implicit power to eventually prohibit all others. In the meantime, we'll keep pluggin' along. Thanks, Mike D. > Paul Bembower wrote: > > However, I smell a rat. When the government wants to get involved in > > Alternative Medicine, I suspect that someone with a vested interest to > > protect is seeking some form of control over another interest that > > threatens it. Deb McDonald wrote: > My thoughts precisely. They have tried at least twice so far to pass > things with shadily worded bills that are meant to take this freedom > away from us. I am not buying this one. I think I have an url for > this, I will check. Deb -- paul b wrote: > Our health is far too important to permit any government > involvement at all in it. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>alternative
Citizens for health http://www.ahpa.org/sendmail.asp -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>A Call To Action by Dannion Brinkley
Paul Bembower wrote: > > I don't know this gentlemen, and I certainly don't want to be negative > about someone who speaks with such fervor > However, I smell a rat. When the government wants to get involved in > Alternative Medicine, I suspect that someone with a vested interest to > protect is seeking some form of control over another interest that > threatens it. > My thoughts precisely. They have tried at least twice so far to pass things with shadily worded bills that are meant to take this freedom away from us. I am not buying this one. I think I have an url for this, I will check. Deb -- Debbie McDonald mailto:lullw...@flash.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Fw: Burzynski Accused of Flawed Research---Auto
-Original Message- From: tj garland To: Stephanie Dallam Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 7:33 PM Subject: Re: Burzynski Accused of Flawed Research---Auto >Read The Water of Life by J W Armstrong and Your Own Perfect Medicine by >Martha Christy. Burzynski Just refined the "procedure" a little and charged >$10k for doing it.God, Gold, and Guns made America great! Jolly > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>A Call To Action by Dannion Brinkley
Our health is far too important to permit any government involvement at all in it. -Original Message- From: Buddhananda (by way of Harvey Flatbush ) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, October 03, 1998 12:03 AM Subject: CS>A Call To Action by Dannion Brinkley > A Call to Action by Dannion Brinkley > > My friends, I come to you through Art Bell asking for you to take >action. Asking for you to stand up > as American Citizens and be heard. I have said to you many times to >be mindful of legislation and > to have your voice heard. We are at a junction where we as American >Citizens have an opportunity to > move health care forward by having our voice heard. I am asking for >your help in seeing that alternative > medicine research has an opportunity to move forward. As you know, I >have fully integrated > complementary and alternative therapies into my own health regimen >and because of that I, even after > lightning injury, heart and brain surgeries, I am alive and very >active today. I have been fortunate because > I have had access to many alternative practitioners and researchers. >Every American should have the > opportunity to determine whether or not they want to include >complementary and alternative therapies in > their treatment options. Only through rigorous and extensive >research can the safe and effective integration > of complementary and alternative therapies take place in this >country and good information from reliable > soures and the therapies themselves become available to everyone. > > Every year, the United States Senate and House of Representatives >develop appropriation bills to fund the > activities of the various departments of the Federal Government. The >Department of Health and Human > Services' Appropriations Bill is scheduled to go to Committee next >week. This means that the members of > the Subcommittees on Labor, Health and Human Services, Education and >Related Agencies > Appropriations from both the Senate and the House will sit down >together and look at the Senate and > House versions of the bill and bring the two bills together into one >bill. > > The Senate has incorporated a measure to elevate the Office of >Alternative Medicine to become the Center > for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. In order for this to >happen, Congress must be > aware that it is what the people want-- they need to be aware of >your opinion. > > Every day there is more information about alternative therapies in >the media and on the Internet - their uses > and their potential dangers. What is needed to determine efficacy >and safety is quality rigorous research > and access to research results. Research and information >dissemination takes focus and > funding. > > Congress, in part because you the people were heard, created the >Office of Alternative Medicine (OAM) > (then known as the Office of Unconventional Medical Practices) in >1991 with a $2 million budget. Over > the past 7 years the budget has grown to $20 million and now >requested to be $50 million. Research is > progressing slowly. More is needed and can only happen expediently >with the advancement of OAM to a > Center with a budget and personnel to accomplish the mission - to >investigate and evaluate alternative and > complementary therapies and make those research results known. >Making OAM a Center gives it > autonomy - it means that it would have grant making authority. > > Currently, OAM as a part of the Office of the Director of NIH must >go through one of the research > Institutes or Centers to provide grant funding, clearing each grant >through that Institute or Centers > advisory council, acceptance to do so is not required or guaranteed. >For example, an alternative medicine > grant to investigate an alternative cancer therapy, after being >deemed by the OAM staff to be of scientific > merit and appropriate for funding by OAM, must be processed through >the National Cancer Institute and > be cleared by that Institute's Advisory Board - a board that does >not have any alternative medicine experts. > Currently the AMPAC, (the Alternative Medicine Program Advisory >Council) - the only HHS council on > alternative medicine, whose members are alternative medicine >researchers, practitioners, and patients, > does not review alternative medicine grants and determine whether >those grants should be funded or not > -which is one of the primary activities of other NIH councils. > > The Center Bill was originally submitted to the Senate as: S.2420 - >A Bill to establish within the National > Institutes of Health an agency to be known as the National Center >for Complementary and Alternative > Medicine. The bill was sponsored by Sen Harkin
Re: CS>A Call To Action by Dannion Brinkley
I don't know this gentlemen, and I certainly don't want to be negative about someone who speaks with such fervor However, I smell a rat. When the government wants to get involved in Alternative Medicine, I suspect that someone with a vested interest to protect is seeking some form of control over another interest that threatens it. Is there anyone in the silver-list who can sort this out for us??? Before I try to influence my representatives, I'd like to feel I wasn't asking the courts to split up Ma Bell, as it were, so my costs for doing just about everything could go up. p. bembower -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>A Call To Action by Dannion Brinkley
A Call to Action by Dannion Brinkley My friends, I come to you through Art Bell asking for you to take action. Asking for you to stand up as American Citizens and be heard. I have said to you many times to be mindful of legislation and to have your voice heard. We are at a junction where we as American Citizens have an opportunity to move health care forward by having our voice heard. I am asking for your help in seeing that alternative medicine research has an opportunity to move forward. As you know, I have fully integrated complementary and alternative therapies into my own health regimen and because of that I, even after lightning injury, heart and brain surgeries, I am alive and very active today. I have been fortunate because I have had access to many alternative practitioners and researchers. Every American should have the opportunity to determine whether or not they want to include complementary and alternative therapies in their treatment options. Only through rigorous and extensive research can the safe and effective integration of complementary and alternative therapies take place in this country and good information from reliable soures and the therapies themselves become available to everyone. Every year, the United States Senate and House of Representatives develop appropriation bills to fund the activities of the various departments of the Federal Government. The Department of Health and Human Services' Appropriations Bill is scheduled to go to Committee next week. This means that the members of the Subcommittees on Labor, Health and Human Services, Education and Related Agencies Appropriations from both the Senate and the House will sit down together and look at the Senate and House versions of the bill and bring the two bills together into one bill. The Senate has incorporated a measure to elevate the Office of Alternative Medicine to become the Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. In order for this to happen, Congress must be aware that it is what the people want-- they need to be aware of your opinion. Every day there is more information about alternative therapies in the media and on the Internet - their uses and their potential dangers. What is needed to determine efficacy and safety is quality rigorous research and access to research results. Research and information dissemination takes focus and funding. Congress, in part because you the people were heard, created the Office of Alternative Medicine (OAM) (then known as the Office of Unconventional Medical Practices) in 1991 with a $2 million budget. Over the past 7 years the budget has grown to $20 million and now requested to be $50 million. Research is progressing slowly. More is needed and can only happen expediently with the advancement of OAM to a Center with a budget and personnel to accomplish the mission - to investigate and evaluate alternative and complementary therapies and make those research results known. Making OAM a Center gives it autonomy - it means that it would have grant making authority. Currently, OAM as a part of the Office of the Director of NIH must go through one of the research Institutes or Centers to provide grant funding, clearing each grant through that Institute or Centers advisory council, acceptance to do so is not required or guaranteed. For example, an alternative medicine grant to investigate an alternative cancer therapy, after being deemed by the OAM staff to be of scientific merit and appropriate for funding by OAM, must be processed through the National Cancer Institute and be cleared by that Institute's Advisory Board - a board that does not have any alternative medicine experts. Currently the AMPAC, (the Alternative Medicine Program Advisory Council) - the only HHS council on alternative medicine, whose members are alternative medicine researchers, practitioners, and patients, does not review alternative medicine grants and determine whether those grants should be funded or not -which is one of the primary activities of other NIH councils. The Center Bill was originally submitted to the Senate as: S.2420 - A Bill to establish within the National Institutes of Health an agency to be known as the National Center for Complementary and Alternative Medicine. The bill was sponsored by Sen Harkin, the co-sponsors to date are: Sen Hatch, Sen Daschle, Sen Craig, Sen Mikulski, Sen D'Amato, Sen Moseley-Braun, Sen Grassley, and Sen Wellstone. WHAT CAN YOU DO? Get involved. Do you want alternative medicine research to advance? Do you want OAM to become a Center? If you do, let your Congressional Representatives know. Call
CS>Re: OFF TOPIC-Water Alkalizer - (Hydrogen H- Hunza-like water)
I thought the following information might interest you. HUNZA WATER The Hunza's water is rain water that fell thousands of years ago; it has no mineral salts like water found in springs. MICROCLUSTER was invented by Flannagan to mimic Hunza water. Later, he invented Microhydrin. The hydrogen proton makes acidic water, but the electrons make the water basic. MICROHYDRIN One capsule of Microhydrin added to 8 ounces of water (the 2nd number is taken after one hour): Water Source (8 oz) pH Redox ORP mV Before->Aftr Before->After Before->After Crystal Geyser water8.08-> 9.56 35.7->5.8 +410-> -600 Black Mountain (bottled)7.24-> 9.25 30.2->4.5 +450-> -620 Organic juiced carrots 6.56-> 6.48 1.40->0.4 -120-> -580 Average changes in 13 samples +2.23 -24.2 -960 Definitions: 1. pH = hydrogen ion concentration & activity level 2. ORP (oxidation/reduction potential) = measures the potential for a reaction to occur; the electron concentration and activity level (measured by small hand-held Redox meter.) 3. Redox (rH2) = is ORP of a body fluid measured at a specific pH. Microhydrin is small, negatively charged mineral colloids (nanocolloids, charged with negative hydrogen atoms). The minerals are food-grade water-soluble silica, some fatty acids, magnesium and potassium (these are essential nutrients found in foods). Negative hydrogen atoms are called H minus (H-) or reduced hydrogen, a hydrogen which loosely holds another electron in its outer shell. Hydrogen is in all foods and water we ear and drink. Some Uses for Microhydrin: 1. ANTIOXIDANT. Microhydrin is a powerful antioxidant; it provides negative hydrogen ions to neutralize "bad free radicals." Although some antioxidants become free radicals when they give up their electrons, hydrogen gives away its extra electron so it becomes stable Hydrogen, with one electron and one proton. 2. TEETH WHITENER. It's more effective than store-bought teeth whiteners. 2. GOOD FOR GUMS. Early studies show reduced periodontal pocketing by 2-3 mm in persons with 4-6 mm pockets. (Put a capsule of Microhydrin in a half inch of Crystal Energy water in a 5 oz. dixie cup, dipping the brush in the water, and brushing as usual over a period of time.) 3. DETOXIFIES YOUR BODY, MAKES NUTRIENTS AVAILABLE TO CELLS, The clusters are about 5 nanograms (50 Angstoms, or 5 billioneth of a meter)? and has great Zeta potential, or the ability to hold electric charge. This Zeta potential helps suspend toxins and nutrients, so they can easily pass through a cell wall to provide nourishment, remove wastes, and rehydrate itself. One doctor encapsulated insulin and Microhydrin, which patients took orally. The insulin was able to bypass the intestinal wall and go directly into the blood and to body tissues. HEALTH The hydrogen in the hydride (H-) state is in most fruits and vegetables; in actively moving water (actively moving streams, rains, waterfalls); and in water treated with electric and magnetic fields. Hydrogen is good for athletes because it is food for mitochondria in making ATP (adenosine triphosphate), the source of energy for your body. (Mitochondria are your "power house," like a nuclear generator, and is about the size of some bacteria.) Healthy people, healthy plants, and healthy water tend to have more negative ions than the sick. Chemically-grown carrots have no negative ions, whereas freshly ground organic carrots have a desirable ORP of 100-300 millivolts, but starts to loose its negative charge after a few hours. Cooking also looses its negative ions. Children have a higher concentration of negative ions. If I remember correctly, there is no hydrogen in the hydride (H-) state in a cancer cell. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>AIDS w/wasting
I'm way behind in posts; maybe someone already suggested this. Supposedly St. John's Wort is being researched at Bethsada (naval hosp.) regarding AIDS. Supposedly it has great anti-viral & antibacterial effects. Now wouldn't it be great if they did a companion study on CS & AIDS? Sorry I don't have a link; my friend just mentioned this to me on the phone a couple days ago. Finished moving. Took 8 long days! Still settling in! Sincerely, Nancy B. ~ bernt...@altavista.net ch...@altavista.net Home schoolers: CHEAP used books http://www.oikourgos.com/cheap Oikos Interactive Family Journal http://www.oikourgos.com/oikos Lyme Disease info: http://www.oikourgos.com/trisha About Colloidal silver (non-commercial) http://www.freeyellow.com/members2/silver-works ~ -Original Message- From: Ni Orsi To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, September 23, 1998 11:01 AM Subject: CS>AIDS w/wasting >Would someone please give me some help with a family member who has AIDS >and appears to be in the 'wasting' stage and now wants help. > >He is 54. Smokes a cigar once in awhile. Doesn't drink coffee, but gets >some caffeine from sodas. Drinks about 4 cokes a day. Has an occasional >hard drink. > >I have a Silver Pluser and Water Ozonator. But I have not used them yet. > >What should I do? Best of Health, Ni. > > >-- -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Small Particle Atomization for Pulmonary Pathogens
Our group has just completed some interesting, and rewarding, research on animals (dogs and cats) suffering from both chronic and acute pulmonary problems. The protocol employed utilized 10ppm to 20ppm colloidal silver solution atomized, by ultrasonic units, to 1 to 5 micron size. The increase in effectivity of a mist cloud of this composition proved to be almost one complete order of magnitude (10x) over conventional vaporizers/nebulizers. Reliable ultrasonic atomizers/nebulizers are not cheap, costing on the order of $300. to $600., but we achieved some astonishing results through their use. (There are acceptable sources on the Internet). This modality proved effective for complications of certain, heretofore, unresponsive disorders of chronic emphysemic types; and even one case of animal tuberculosis. When administering the mist cloud it was essential to have the subject in very close proximity to the generator. This is not a problem if the animal is placed in a "close-quarters" confinementwhere they cannot turn around. We did not find any noticeable difference between 10ppm and 20ppm CS. However, total time exposure was, definitely, of consequence in determining both the speed of response and the completeness of recovery. We had absolutely no "over exposure" complications; and no detectable toxic effects beyond normal herxheimer responses in the more advanced cases (primarily among the geriatric population). Please note. Direct any email inquiries to my personal email address. Also, please understand that I am unable to furnish details on any of these protocols, beyond generalizations; as the results are proprietary...and do not belong solely to the group. Maybe this line of investigation will stimulate some on the list toward their own evaluations. Best Regards to all. Brooks Bradley. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>progress report.
A while back I promissed to report my results with 32 ounces of homemade colloidal silver per day. After about two weeks my stomach was highly sensitive to the homemade CS I made using a 27volt generator. I did have some positive results. But the results were unsatifactory so I tried eating a lot of raw garlic. Over a period of about one month, my raw garlic tolerance was up to sometimes two whole bulbs(that's all the cloves on a bulb of garlic) of raw garlic a day. This did make a big difference though my tolerance started to very and some days I couldn't eat enough garlic to make enough difference. My plan of course was to totally saturate my sell with garlic and drown all the Spirochetes. My sisters boyfriend said something to the effect that I was prepared for both vampires and Werewolves. This joke started with a comment dad made once years ago when it was hot (over 80 degrees) - I was wearing about three layers of clothing and Moon boots a tobogan and a coat to keep warm (This was one of my Early Lyme Symptoms). Dad was talking to someone at a job I was working at digging and said "I telling you. That boy's prepared. If a big old arctic blast comes by, He'll be the only one that survives". Anyway I thought you all might appreciate that one. I am now temporarily switching back to Dr. Farber's Colloidal Silver Protein - as I had my best overall results with it. Though within the three days I've started back and a couple days before I've been much worse. Does anyone know how to make Colloidal Silver Protein? Is there a machine I can buy or make myself to generate it? I would greatly appreciate any help. I don't think the homemade silver I'm making with my 27 volt generator is strong enough. Thank you. Take Care. John Jones jo...@access.mountain.net
Re: CS>Passing of Joost (jovo) Vossen
Jovo URL
www.jovo.com.hk
Dan
-Original Message-
From: Bill Galkowski
To: l...@oxytherapy.com ; silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Friday, October 02, 1998 1:42 PM
Subject: CS>Passing of Joost (jovo) Vossen
>Everyone, the following is a message I received from a friend of Joost
>(jovo/Joseph) Vossen:
>
>begin message:
>
>I have very bad news.
>
>Joost Vossen passed away in the afternoon of September 29 in Hongkong
>(GMT +8). It happened in the ambulance that had come to get him from the
>office as he had gotten seriously ill in the course off the day. He will
>be buried in The Netherlands. The ceremony will take place next week.
>His brother, also living in Hongkong, his children and other family are
>now in The Netherlands to take care of him.
>
>Your condolences and enquiries are welcome at my email. I will pass them
>
>on to Joost's brother Roel. He thinks Joost would appreciate very much
>a
>continuation of his ('OUR' as Joost said emphatically in one of his last
>
>posts) website, and so do I. We'll work things out after the ceremony.
>
> Joost was fatally struck by a heart standstill.
>
>
>May he rest in peace ...
>
>Bengo from Amsterdam for Roel Vossen
>be...@wxs.nl
>
>
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CS>Passing of Joost (jovo) Vossen
Everyone, the following is a message I received from a friend of Joost
(jovo/Joseph) Vossen:
begin message:
I have very bad news.
Joost Vossen passed away in the afternoon of September 29 in Hongkong
(GMT +8). It happened in the ambulance that had come to get him from the
office as he had gotten seriously ill in the course off the day. He will
be buried in The Netherlands. The ceremony will take place next week.
His brother, also living in Hongkong, his children and other family are
now in The Netherlands to take care of him.
Your condolences and enquiries are welcome at my email. I will pass them
on to Joost's brother Roel. He thinks Joost would appreciate very much
a
continuation of his ('OUR' as Joost said emphatically in one of his last
posts) website, and so do I. We'll work things out after the ceremony.
Joost was fatally struck by a heart standstill.
May he rest in peace ...
Bengo from Amsterdam for Roel Vossen
be...@wxs.nl
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CS>Intro and overview of CS...
To Gary and any other newcomers, Welcome. Here is the intro and overview FAQ reposted. In addition to Bruce's site, these others will give you a decent perspective and help you get started. Be well, Mike D. silver-list owner >>> Greetings and welcome to the silver-list. This FAQ will give you a brief introduction to the world of Colloidal Silver and an overview by way of a few decent web sites. INTRODUCTION: First, please understand that a *lot* of what you'll find online about colloidal silver (CS) is imprecise, unscientific, and hype. There are almost no controlled studies of any kind. There is precious little objective data to back up even the most fundamental claims. Also, there is a backlash against colloidal silver from "debunkers" who will do everything in their power to scare you away through exaggeration and fear. They dismiss *all* favorable evidence and results in apparent overreaction to the plentiful CS hype. Their claims do not hold up in the face of readily available facts. Most of the information you receive will be anecdotal testimony, to be taken on faith or common sense until you can verify it yourself. And be forewarned, you'll find yourself rubbing shoulders with advocates of every kind of "alternative" medicine, from time honored to wildly speculative. What persists, when all is said and done, are the compelling accounts of people who have successfully treated some very serious conditions. They are not trying to sell you anything, but only want others to be helped as they have been. It is these people that have made me want to discover the truth about colloidal silver. A WEB OVERVIEW: A good jumping off point is this article by Peter Lindemann which lays the groundwork and points out some of the mythology that confuses the issue: http://www.elixa.com/silver/lindmn.htm Commercial CS Generators: These sites are good sources of CS information and low voltage direct current CS generators: Elixa, http://www.elixa.com Sota Instruments, http://www.sota-inc.com/index.html A variety of more sophisticated high-voltage AC and DC generators are offered by: CS Pro Systems, http://www.csprosystems.com/ Build Your Own CS Generators: It's easy and inexpensive to build your own CS generator. Plans and instructions as well as kits and pre-wired units can be found at these individuals' web sites: Mark Metcalf, http://www.silversolutions.com/ Read his Article One and Article Two, linked at the bottom of the left-hand frame Thomas Miller, http://www.bioelectrifier.com/ The link to the CS generator is near the bottom of the page. Other Information And Product Sources: http://www.wwmagic.com/clearlake/index.html They sell an interesting sounding book by a "Dr. Hill." They have excerpts on line. http://www.escape.ca/~revive/ and http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy These folks sell a mild silver protien product that is quite carefully made. A lot of good silver info on their site. http://www.wishgranted.com/ The online version of a booklet about CS. The author indulges in a couple of radically speculative scientific theories, but the information on CS is helpful. CONCLUSION: When you browse these sites you will inevitably find conflicting information about different products or methods. Especially, many vendors will claim their products are "unique" or "superior" or the "only safe and effective CS." Take such claims with a grain of salt! There are also many other sites and resources. In no way do I wish to imply by the inclusion or exclusion of any site that this is the best there is. Nor do I endorse everything, or necessarily anything, you will find at these sites. I hope that exploring these sites will give you an idea of what CS is, how it is made and used, and some of the issues that are being debated among different vendors and experimentors. If you have more questions or need help getting started, feel free to ask for help on the silver-list. The silver-list is a moderated, non-commercial forum for discussion of Colloidal Silver and related topics. We steer clear of religious and political topics, and stay close to our central mission of learning about CS, helping interested newcomers get started, and supporting our efforts to be healthier. Thank you for reading this far. I hope to get to know you on the list. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner *** DISCLAIMER: I'm not a doctor and I don't dispense medical advice. None of the materials spoken of or referenced here are intended to take the place of the advice of a competent professional. If you choose to experiment with any of the concepts, products, materials or procedures found in any of the above, you are solely responsible for ascertaining their safety and suitability and seeking professional opinion before proceeding. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join
Re: CS>colloidial silver generator : Web page
Gary Moser wrote: > > I would like to find a diagram for a colloidal silver generator. > > Gary > Gary, you wil find a photo illustrated project page at: http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/cspulse.htm Th page starts with an illustration of the classic 3 nine volt battery setup, then goes on from there to show how to put together a pulsed DC CS generator in a no-soldering approach, using an 'Experimenter's Socket' and other components available from either Radio Shack, or the mail order electronics supply houses. The circuit diagram is also there. Another bonus; the same circuit can be used as a classic Hulda Clark Zapper; see the page for details. Silver wire, .999 fine or better , is available from wholesale jewelry makers' supply houses; another alternative used by some is the pure silver coins or 1 ounce bullion bars. You should find enough info on that page & elswhere on that same website to get a good start making your own CS generator. (I'll be away from the email for the weekend; back Sunday PM -if you have further questions, I'll try to help.) Comments & questions always welcome! Be Well! Bruce K. Stenulson Applied Technology The Alternate Health Approaches Forum http://web.idirect.com/~showcase/althealth/index.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>PPM
Jon wrote: > Hi everyone, > As you can tell I'm still very new. How do you measure PPM? > Thanks Hi Jon, You'll get a variety of answers to this question, but let me try to summarize. This is an important subject. This may be the start of another FAQ file... * Testing Labs: The only reliable way we have yet to measure ppm is to have it tested for us by an environmental laboratory, which usually costs about 15-20 dollars (US) per sample. To be really sure, you'd have to test several samples, so it can get a bit pricey. If you change anything, you'd have to test again... and so on. You can usually find such labs in your local phone book under "environmental testing" or similar categories. Just tell them you want to test samples of clean water for silver content. Some can also be found on the net. * Hand held "PPM" meters: There are a number of small meters from Hanna Instruments that have been recommended to us. The problem is we don't have enough data to relate the "ppm" readings of any of the Hanna devices to *actual* concentration of silver in our preparations. In other words we have to develop "calibration curves" for them. The units are relatively cheap, easy to use, and quite reliable. They are definitely useful for making sure that you are getting consistent results from one batch to the next, but more work has to be done before we can honestly say we're measuring "ppm" with them. * Current monitoring: Hanna's devices work by measuring resistivity (the ability to resist the flow of current). If you are making your own CS, it just so happens you have a built in method for doing the same thing. If you keep your electrode spacing, wetted length, and wire size the same from batch to batch, you've got a perfectly serviceable resistivity probe. Just put a meter in line with the power supply (batteries or whatever) and measure the current while making CS. If you are consistent in your procedures, and stop at the same current reading each time, you'll have the same concentration in each new batch, or very close. It would be possible to calibrate this the same way as one of the Hanna units. There are subtleties that effect the current, which is why I say you have to be consistent. The silver particles tend to form a "cloud" around the electrodes that passes more current than the bulk solution. If you periodically remove the electrodes, wipe them off, and stir your CS, then you will get an accurate current reading. * What is PPM? Finally, there is the question of exactly what it is we are trying to measure. The term "ppm" (parts-per-million) means the same, in our case, as milligrams per liter. So in a liter (about a quart) of 20ppm CS you'd have 20 milligrams of silver suspended in the liquid. But there is a *big* difference between a mass of silver in some water and effective CS. If you put a 20 milligram sliver of silver metal in a liter jar of water you'd still have 20 ppm, but you would *not* have a colloidal suspension! Some portion of the silver in a batch of home-made CS may be particles that are larger than the range of .01 to .001 microns that are said to be the most effective. Another portion might be smaller than that, and maybe even individual atoms of silver that could be considered to be truly *dissolved* in the water. Is it total concentration, the particle size, the charge on the particles, or some complex combination of these and other factors that is most important? We don't know the answer to that yet. It seems likely that a low ppm preparation of very fine particles might be just as effective as a higher ppm CS that has some larger average particle size. * Conclusion: What we *do* know is that certain silver preparation methods have yielded good and sometimes stunning results. Just having a ballpark notion of the ppm of your CS, either by measurement or by following somebody else's recipe closely, may in fact be good enough. If you use any of the above methods to relate your results to others, and to get consistency from one batch to the next, you'll be able to reliably adjust dosage in response to symptoms, which is really the bottom line. Comments and opinions, anyone? Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Reid/herx
>Hi Donna: I've had Lyme for over two years, and started with CS this past >February. I had what I thought to be a Herx reaction for about 2-2 1/2 >months--general achiness, quite a bit of joint pain, no strength or energy. >Then, gradually, I started improving, until about June, when I felt just about >like my old self. It has now been 7 months since I started with CS, and I >feel that I am 99% back to my old self. >I'm continuing with 2 tsp per day of 20ppm until I'm completely symptom free, >and then for another month to be sure. Then, perhaps I'll cut back, but I'm >really not sure. I never want to go through what I did for the past 2 1/2 years!! Stick with it. CS works where no ABX did for me. Be well. >Nick From past experineces with antibotics I'd go atleast 3 months after insted of one. Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: Burzynski Accused of Flawed Research
>Stephanie Dallam wrote: >> Doctor Accused of Flawed Research >> By TERRI LANGFORD Associated Press Writer >> HOUSTON (AP) -- The research on a controversial cancer treatment is so >> flawed that it cannot be determined whether it really works, three >> prominent oncologists said. >> Many among Burzynski's fiercely devoted clientele say they would be >> dead without the therapy. Give me a break, any moron even a doctor has enough common since to see that if a person had cancer and don't now because of the drug then it works. This looks like another propaganda campain to try and shut down Burzynski. The jerks couldn't do it by taking him to court so they're trying now to say that it doesn't work. Taking him to court acually backfired on them because people now know what he is doing. Good try to the authors, FDA, and drug companys but I wasn't born yesturday and I've seen these tricks before. Want to know what their next move is? They'll be taking him to court again for some trumped up charge... Take Care Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>PPM
Hi everyone, As you can tell I'm still very new. How do you measure PPM? Thanks John in CT -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject: line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour
