Re: CS>Animal grade ABX; anti-biotics' applications

[Jeffrey A. Madore]

In speaking with people that work in the "animal" division at Pfizer I tend
to get the feeling that they produce a high quality product. I wouldn't be
without a bottle of BP48 in the frig. I have a pair of German Shepherd bitches
that have wanted to kill each other from day one. The BP48 has saved me many
trips to the vet and associated $$$!  I've also used it on myself, for months 
on end,
to keep the Lyme Disease at bay.

As I mentioned, epinephrine is good to have on hand. Bennidrill is also good
for mild allergic reactions.

And H2O2 is invaluable for stopping infections as well as chemically
neutralizing skunk spray. I guess this is a good time to make sure your
Y2K med chest is complete.

Some sort of oral tetracycline is also good to have on hand. This combined
with flagyl seems to be very effective against Lyme. It was just very hard
to take...flat on my back and severely ill. When I stopped I would slowly
regain my strength, and could then see improvement.

CS seems to be just as effective without the toxic side effects. I can eat
and not feel nauseous all of the time. Today I picked up 5 loads of fire
wood in my truck!

Though I'm herxing a bunch and am far from cured, I am more hopeful
than I've been in many years.

Thank God for CS and the great folks on this list!

Jeff - K1LE


"J." wrote:

> Jeff, thank you very much! *and others too).
> Excellent comments, lots'a invaluable info! Much appreciated.
>
> I'm wondering if Canadian Vet standards meet or exceed the
> U.S.' standards (such as the 'USP') that was mentioned, when it comes to
> animal ABX.
>
> Also, there are several types of ABX out there, each more qualified for
> certain symptomologies, etc.
> - Any info/ suggestions there?


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Re: CS>OT, Virus,flu and computer

[Anna G Warmuth]

I checked into these viruses on urbanlegends.miningco.com Bubbleboy is legit
(see my other reply to this message) but can be easily avoided (if you
download the fix before you get the virus) the other, lump of coal is a
hoax.  Read the following information about it this info was taken from
urbanlegends.miningco.com search on "lump of coal"

Lump of Coal
Nastiness No nastiness - It's a hoax!
Variants or AKA None
Effects Internet Users
Discovery Date August 1999
Origin Unknown
Type(s) HOAX
Removal Method  This is a HOAX - ignore the warnings, it is NOT a virus!

Details
This is an email hoax, a bad sort of joke. It is not a virus - please do not
distribute this hoax to others. Full text of the hoax follows:

Warning on December 25, 1999 you may receive an email called, Lump of
Coal...do not open it, it contains a deadly virus...it will erase your
windows along with many other program files.  Pass this on as soon as you
can to get the WORD out!!!This is not a hoaxthis was reported on the CBS
morning news August 20,1999.

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley 
To: l...@fbtc.net ; silver-list@eskimo.com

Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT, Virus,flu and computer


>Tai-Pan wrote:
>
>> Hi Listers,
>>  Extract from a private mail.
>>
>> Tai-Pan wrote:
>>
>> >  Couple of new viruses are loose, one e-mail called Lump-of-coal, don`t
>> > even click to read it, delete if you see it in your e-mail. The other
>> > one is also an e-mail, called Bubbleboy, also very bad, don`t click on
>> > it.
>
>Full information on Bubbleboy:
>
>http://msnbc.com/news/333265.asp?cp1=1
>
>Marshall
>
>>
>
>
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Re: CS>Re: Dust Mites

[Marshall Dudley]

deat...@aol.com wrote:

> Rob,
> inform me/us - what diseases or what do dust mites do?  I must have a zillion
> of them!!  I hate cleaning!
>
> jeannine
>
>

Their waste products (dust) contains a protein which many people are allergic
to.  Primary problem is they cause dust and allergies.

Marshall

>


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CS>Lunar Influence

[Creston]

Hello All,

I found this quite interesting article:

Lunar Influence on the Electrochemical Production of Colloidal Silver
by Michael Theroux

http://borderlands.com/journal/lunar.htm

Pleasant reading,
H.B.






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Re: CS>Warts -- two comments

[Harvey Flatbush]

At 09:15 PM 11/10/1999 -0500, you wrote:

I am hoping someone on the list can address this more authoritatively, but
in the meantime --
>I had plantar's warts on my foot at one time. They seemed to thrive on
>abuse. Freezing (done by an md)...cutting...burning with strong H2O2
>all just made them grow fatter and happier. Then I took milk thistle,
>for something else entirely, and they started disapppearing so fast you
>could almost watch it happening.

Skin problems of all sorts are commonly considered to be a result of liver
problems -- stagnation, toxicity, whatever. Milk Thistle is, of course, a
specific for healing the liver. My guess is -- the milk thistle worked!! 

>I had a bad reaction to the milk thistle and stopped taking it, but they
>were already substantially reduced. And then one day I realized they were
>gone completely...possibly from something else I too internally.

Are you sure that your *bad reaction* to the milk thistle wasn't simply a
healing crisis from the herb doing its work? Do you know what caused it,
exactly? A healing crisis would not be out of the question. And, while I've
never had a chance to see it in action myself (or notice it definitively,
perhaps), various alternative healing folks say that when we heal, we cycle
back through our previous problems one by one, most recent first.

>I was just going to write in to the list for suggestions and here you
>are already discussing it. Well, doesn't sound like cs is very helpful,

Excuse me?

I'm the one who started this thread, specifically because I was so delighted
with CS for my wart which had NOT yielded to my favorite herbal wart remedy
nor surgical removal. It's disappearing at record speed under a simple
several times daily CS bath. Of course, there are a few others who've
reported not such great success. It's you're choice, and your wart, of
course, but if I had a bottle of home-brewed CS handy and a wart I'd like to
see gone, I'd give it a try. Mine is (or should be) 20 ppm CS.

Of course, in your case I personally might go back to the milk thistle since
that worked so well -- depending on whether or not I truly did have an
allergic (or whatever) reaction or the stuff was just working a little too
well (in which case I'd cut back dosage, go off for a time, something to
moderate the effect a little).

Patricia S.


When I was a little tyke, (6, 7, 8 yrs old) my grandmother always had me 
putting the white milk from milkweed on warts.  A couple of times a day for 
a couple of weeks and the wart would be gone.  A few years ago I heard or 
read somewhere the reason for this was because when the milk dried, it cut 
of the oxygen to the wart. The item went on to say the same thing happens 
by covering the wart with nail polish.


FWIW,

Harvey


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RE: CS and warts

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

HI petemc

Very interesting.  I intend to get a zapper, and I will try that before the 
next silver attempt variation.  

Thanks,

James Osbourne Holmes
a...@trail.com


-Original Message-
From:   brpete...@msn.com.au [SMTP:brpete...@msn.com.au]
Sent:   Tuesday, November 09, 1999 1:31 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CS and warts

I have had succes removing warts using an electronic "zapper",and applying
the pulses to the wart via stainless steel needles under each side of he
wart.Two half hour runs on successive days resulted in these things
"layering off" for about 5 days.They have not come back.
petemc
-Original Message-
From: James Osbourne, Holmes 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Date: Tuesday, 9 November 1999 11:42
Subject: RE: CS and warts


>Marshall,
>
>I injected a small amount into a wart (my very own) about 5 mm round, the
>seedy deep kind.  I inserted the needle through the wart until it became
>painful, and injected probably about 1/100 CC.  Most of it came back out to
>the surface when I removed the needle.  No noteworthy change in about a
>week.
>
>I suspect if I had the resources to numb the area, and squirted a small
>pocket at the base of the thing, it would work.  Adding MSM as a transport
>agent would probably help.
>
>James Osbourne Holmes
>a...@trail.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:48 AM
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS and warts
>
>I heard of one fellow that got a syringe and injected cs directly into the
>wart, and it fell of in a day or two.
>
>I use to burn warts off with a soldering iron.  After burning, a blister
>would
>form under the wart, and I would clip the whole wart off.  Wart would
>return
>about 20% of the time, but if you followed with CS I bet it would give
>about
>99% reliablility.
>
>Marshall
>
>James Osbourne, Holmes wrote:
>
>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> Some of my warts went away with a few random applications of topical Ag.
>>  Some are very slowly going away with months of  MSM/CS solution rinse
>> every couple of days.  The most vulnerable seem to be the round whitish
>> softer type.
>>
>> The hard "seed-like" warts, which when seen on feet are called "plantar"
>>  which penetrate the derma and epidermis, are the most resistant which I
>> have seen.   I have one on my palm.   I almost beat it once by gouging
>most
>> of it away and then keeping a band aid on it occasionally soaked with CS.
>>   But it was too deep, and the skin healed over it and it regrew.  I
>Intend
>> to have a dermatologist identify the resistant types before I figure out,
>> if possible, how to make the Ag work.
>>
>> These may be variants of the same virus under different conditions.
>>
>> I read of one case in an industrial exposure due to inhalation of a
>copious
>> amount of powdered Ag, all the fellow's warts fell off an a very short
>> period of time.
>>
>> James Osbourne Holmes
>> a...@trail.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:   Liz Pavek [SMTP:liz...@frontiernet.net]
>> Sent:   Saturday, November 06, 1999 10:32 AM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject:CS and warts
>>
>>  << File: ATT0.html >> I tried the usual bandaid/CS on a wart on the
>> side of my left forefinger.  For over a week I kept it saturated,
>(carried
>> a little dropper bottle of CS everywhere) but when I removed the bandaid,
>> the wart was unchanged.  Perhaps it's the TYPE of wart.  It's a flat,
>> almost "smooth" wart that I have had since I was a child.  Any tips would
>> be very gratefully accepted.
>>
>> Liz
>>
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CS>Warts -- two comments

[Patricia Santhuff]

I am hoping someone on the list can address this more authoritatively, but
in the meantime -- 
>I had plantar's warts on my foot at one time. They seemed to thrive on 
>abuse. Freezing (done by an md)...cutting...burning with strong H2O2
>all just made them grow fatter and happier. Then I took milk thistle, 
>for something else entirely, and they started disapppearing so fast you 
>could almost watch it happening.

Skin problems of all sorts are commonly considered to be a result of liver
problems -- stagnation, toxicity, whatever. Milk Thistle is, of course, a
specific for healing the liver. My guess is -- the milk thistle worked!! 

>I had a bad reaction to the milk thistle and stopped taking it, but they 
>were already substantially reduced. And then one day I realized they were 
>gone completely...possibly from something else I too internally.

Are you sure that your *bad reaction* to the milk thistle wasn't simply a
healing crisis from the herb doing its work? Do you know what caused it,
exactly? A healing crisis would not be out of the question. And, while I've
never had a chance to see it in action myself (or notice it definitively,
perhaps), various alternative healing folks say that when we heal, we cycle
back through our previous problems one by one, most recent first.

>I was just going to write in to the list for suggestions and here you
>are already discussing it. Well, doesn't sound like cs is very helpful, 

Excuse me?

I'm the one who started this thread, specifically because I was so delighted
with CS for my wart which had NOT yielded to my favorite herbal wart remedy
nor surgical removal. It's disappearing at record speed under a simple
several times daily CS bath. Of course, there are a few others who've
reported not such great success. It's you're choice, and your wart, of
course, but if I had a bottle of home-brewed CS handy and a wart I'd like to
see gone, I'd give it a try. Mine is (or should be) 20 ppm CS.

Of course, in your case I personally might go back to the milk thistle since
that worked so well -- depending on whether or not I truly did have an
allergic (or whatever) reaction or the stuff was just working a little too
well (in which case I'd cut back dosage, go off for a time, something to
moderate the effect a little).

Patricia S.


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Re: CS and warts

[Sam Earle]

Bingo, Marshall.

Sam

> One of the biggest problems with trying to figure out what will get rid of
warts
> is that the body is so responsive to beliefs.  If you really believe that
> something will get rid of a wart, and then use it, I suspect there is over
a 50%
> chance it will work.  My sister got rid of her warts with stump water when
she
> was a little girl since she really believed it would work.  That could be
one
> reason that so many different substances are reported to get rid of them.
>
> Once you provide the attention to the wart with the desire for it to go
away,
> the appropriate energies (like Reiki) will go to work making it happen.
>
> Marshall
>
> brpete...@msn.com.au wrote:
>
> > I have had succes removing warts using an electronic "zapper",and
applying
> > the pulses to the wart via stainless steel needles under each side of he
> > wart.Two half hour runs on successive days resulted in these things
> > "layering off" for about 5 days.They have not come back.
> > petemc
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James Osbourne, Holmes 
> > To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
> > Date: Tuesday, 9 November 1999 11:42
> > Subject: RE: CS and warts
> >
> > >Marshall,
> > >
> > >I injected a small amount into a wart (my very own) about 5 mm round,
the
> > >seedy deep kind.  I inserted the needle through the wart until it
became
> > >painful, and injected probably about 1/100 CC.  Most of it came back
out to
> > >the surface when I removed the needle.  No noteworthy change in about a
> > >week.
> > >
> > >I suspect if I had the resources to numb the area, and squirted a small
> > >pocket at the base of the thing, it would work.  Adding MSM as a
transport
> > >agent would probably help.
> > >
> > >James Osbourne Holmes
> > >a...@trail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >-Original Message-
> > >From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com]
> > >Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:48 AM
> > >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > >Subject: Re: CS and warts
> > >
> > >I heard of one fellow that got a syringe and injected cs directly into
the
> > >wart, and it fell of in a day or two.
> > >
> > >I use to burn warts off with a soldering iron.  After burning, a
blister
> > >would
> > >form under the wart, and I would clip the whole wart off.  Wart would
> > >return
> > >about 20% of the time, but if you followed with CS I bet it would give
> > >about
> > >99% reliablility.
> > >
> > >Marshall
> > >
> > >James Osbourne, Holmes wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Liz,
> > >>
> > >> Some of my warts went away with a few random applications of topical
Ag.
> > >>  Some are very slowly going away with months of  MSM/CS solution
rinse
> > >> every couple of days.  The most vulnerable seem to be the round
whitish
> > >> softer type.
> > >>
> > >> The hard "seed-like" warts, which when seen on feet are called
"plantar"
> > >>  which penetrate the derma and epidermis, are the most resistant
which I
> > >> have seen.   I have one on my palm.   I almost beat it once by
gouging
> > >most
> > >> of it away and then keeping a band aid on it occasionally soaked with
CS.
> > >>   But it was too deep, and the skin healed over it and it regrew.  I
> > >Intend
> > >> to have a dermatologist identify the resistant types before I figure
out,
> > >> if possible, how to make the Ag work.
> > >>
> > >> These may be variants of the same virus under different conditions.
> > >>
> > >> I read of one case in an industrial exposure due to inhalation of a
> > >copious
> > >> amount of powdered Ag, all the fellow's warts fell off an a very
short
> > >> period of time.
> > >>
> > >> James Osbourne Holmes
> > >> a...@trail.com
> > >>
> > >> -Original Message-
> > >> From:   Liz Pavek [SMTP:liz...@frontiernet.net]
> > >> Sent:   Saturday, November 06, 1999 10:32 AM
> > >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > >> Subject:CS and warts
> > >>
> > >>  << File: ATT0.html >> I tried the usual bandaid/CS on a wart on
the
> > >> side of my left forefinger.  For over a week I kept it saturated,
> > >(carried
> > >> a little dropper bottle of CS everywhere) but when I removed the
bandaid,
> > >> the wart was unchanged.  Perhaps it's the TYPE of wart.  It's a flat,
> > >> almost "smooth" wart that I have had since I was a child.  Any tips
would
> > >> be very gratefully accepted.
> > >>
> > >> Liz
> > >>
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silver.
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CS>Re: Dust Mites

[DeathBH]

Rob,
inform me/us - what diseases or what do dust mites do?  I must have a zillion 
of them!!  I hate cleaning!

jeannine 


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Re: CS>OT, Virus,flu and computer

[Anna G Warmuth]

>From website about Bubble boy:


Howdy, y'all, and welcome aboard a quick, bonus TOURBUS post.  Why a
bonus post?  Well, Reuters is reporting that

  Researchers have discovered what they believe to be the first e-
  mail-borne computer infection that doesn't require a user to open
  an e-mail or e-mail attachment for it to wreak havoc.

  Dubbed "Bubbleboy" after an episode of TV sitcom "Seinfeld," the
  virus is known as a worm because it is self-propagating ...

  "Historically, as long as you don't open e-mail attachments
  you're safe from virus infection, but this changes all that,"
  said Sal Viveros, a marketing manager at Network Associates.

  [You can read the entire Reuters story online at
  http://news.excite.com/news/r/991110/03/net-tech-virus ]

Yadda yadda yadda.  Ignore the hysteria, folks -- here is what is
*REALLY* going on.  There is a significant security hole in Microsoft
Windows 98 (and later versions of 95) that could conceivably give some
nefarious netizen the ability to do ANYTHING to your computer -- like
erase your files, format your hard drive, and so on.  Because
Microsoft's products are so closely integrated, this security hole
affects anyone who uses Microsoft Internet Explorer 4 or 5 ... and,
from what I can gather, it also affects anyone who uses Microsoft
Outlook or Outlook Express.

"Bubbleboy" takes advantage of this well-known security hole.

Now for the good news: Microsoft released a software patch that fixed
this hole way back on August 31st!  As long as you install the patch,
you have nothing to worry about.  Bubbleboy will NOT get you!

Here is how to download and install the patch:

  1. Go to Start --> Settings --> Windows Update on your PC.  This
 launches Internet Explorer and connects you to Microsoft's
 Windows Update page [ http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ ]

  2. On the left-hand side of the page, click on the "Product
 Updates" link (it is the one with the hand and the red *)

  3. A pop-up window will appear, telling you to wait while your
 computer DOESN'T send any information to Microsoft (well,
 that's what it says!)

  4. Eventually, you'll see a page that says "Select Software."
 When Microsoft releases an essential update or patch, they put
 it in this page's "Critical Updates" section.  So, click on
 EVERYTHING in the "Critical Updates" section and then click on
 the big, grey "Download" arrow in the top right hand corner of
 the page.  [The file that fixes the Bubbleboy security hole is
 called "Update for Security Vulnerabilities in
 'Scriptlet.typlib' and 'Eyedog' ActiveX Controls," but you
 might as well download ALL of Microsoft's critical updates
 while you're at it -- it is better to be safe than sorry.]

  5. Follow the on-screen prompts.  That's it!  :)

You can also download the patch directly from Microsoft at

http://www.microsoft.com/security/Bulletins/ms99-032.asp";>
http://www.microsoft.com/security/Bulletins/ms99-032.asp 

but the Windows Update method is a heck of a lot easier!

What about Reuters' warning that "[r]esearchers have discovered what
they believe to be the first e-mail-borne computer infection that
doesn't require a user to open an e-mail or e-mail attachment for it
to wreak havoc?"  Should you panic?  Of course not.  This too shall
pass.  Take a deep breath, and then download and install the security
patch.  Problem solved.  :)

-Original Message-
From: Tai-Pan 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: CS>OT, Virus,flu and computer


>Marshall Dudley wrote:
>
>> I received an email on these earlier today.  I use Netscape.  How do you
>> delete a message without opening it?  The delete button deletes the
opened
>> message, and I know of no way to delete a message without opening it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Marshall
>
> Hi Marshall,
> Come to think of it, you don`t.
> Here is a direct quote.
>
>  "Bubbleboy only requires that the e-mail be previewed on the inbox
>screen of Microsofts Outlook Express. As soon as the e-mail is
>highlighted, without so much as a click of a mouse, it infects the
>computer."
>  " The virus affects computers with Windows 98 and some versions of
>Windows 95 that use Internet Explorer 5.0 and Outlook Express Web
>Browser and e-mail programs."
>
> I have my Norton anti-virus set to check any file that is opened. :-)
> Did that this morning.
>
>   Bless you  Bob Lee
>--
>oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast
>  l...@fbtc.net
>
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CS>OT: SERIOUS COMPUTER VIRUS ALERT

[BROOKS BRADLEY]

TO LIST MEMBERSHIP.  We do not, as a rule, post
items not directly related to medical research.  However, one of our
administative staff called something to my attention this
afternoon---something I feel to be of possible consequence to all list
members.  I am informed that today's  Fort Worth Star Telegram carried a
story from the AP wire addressing the BUBBLEBOY' Email virus. This is
not a joke or prank.  This virus DOES NOT require downloading to
activate...as soon as the email is highlighted---NO MOUSE ACTION IS
REQUIRED---it infects your computer.  At present, it DOES NOT infect
Netscape email programs, but does Outlook Express Web browser and email
programs.  Network Associates, Santa Clara, Calif, has conducted most of
the detailed analysis.  McAfee has a free download patch that can be
obtained from  .mcafee.comThe FBI is, presently, involved.
Anyone desiring further
information may contact  www.star-telegram.comand page to  19a in
the City Final Edition of the paper ;  Nov. 10, 1999
Sincerely.  Brooks Bradley.


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Re: CS an PH concerns

[Steve King]

At 03:34 PM 11/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I see no problem with any interaction between the BS and CS, but know that it
>is not recommended to take anti-acids (Which BS is) every day over the long
>term due to the body manufacturing excessive acid to counteract.  I would be
>more concerned with messing up my digestive system.  The amount you are
talking
>about may not be enought to be a problem though, I just don't know.
>
>Marshall

Yes! every action has an equal and opposite
reaction -or something like that. I agree that
too much BS ain't good  ;  ). . .but I also don't
trust the stomach as a receptacle for CS.
I'm not to the point of mainline IV, but nearly.

cheers, Steve King


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Re: CS an PH concerns

[Marshall Dudley]

I see no problem with any interaction between the BS and CS, but know that it
is not recommended to take anti-acids (Which BS is) every day over the long
term due to the body manufacturing excessive acid to counteract.  I would be
more concerned with messing up my digestive system.  The amount you are talking
about may not be enought to be a problem though, I just don't know.

Marshall

Steve King wrote:

> Marshall-
>
> >Anyway, I have often recommended putting CS into a glass of water before
> >drinking for this reason. This will both reduce the acidity of the stomach
> >and dilute the CS, both reducing aggregation.  I believe that dilution,
> >either with a glass of water, or from the liquid normally in the stomach
> >increases the time for aggregation sufficiently for most of the CS to make
> >it through the stomach wall.
>
> Can you see any possible downside to taking a bit
> of baking soda with water right before ingesting
> the CS? (Since the CS and BS don't seem to interact.)
>
> thanx, Steve King
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CS>wet chem

[Joe Fleck]

Shouldn't there be a way to perform some regular wet chemistry test to
determine PPM? Something like a simple titration or something? joe...


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Re: CS an PH concerns

[Steve King]

Marshall-

>Anyway, I have often recommended putting CS into a glass of water before
>drinking for this reason. This will both reduce the acidity of the stomach
>and dilute the CS, both reducing aggregation.  I believe that dilution,
>either with a glass of water, or from the liquid normally in the stomach
>increases the time for aggregation sufficiently for most of the CS to make
>it through the stomach wall.

Can you see any possible downside to taking a bit
of baking soda with water right before ingesting
the CS? (Since the CS and BS don't seem to interact.)

thanx, Steve King


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CS>Re: Ivan/meters

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Ivan,
thanks so much for your response and sorry it took a while to get back to
you -- I've been out of town.

It would be great if you could let me know directly as well as on the list
once you have more info on meters -- as I have to slow down my list activity
for the next few months and don't ant to miss it.

Thanks again and yes I will thank Fred profusely once I send stuff in.
Take care,
Katarina

> Hi Katarina,
>
> Bill will set you right with multimeters, and if you can hang on a bit
> longer I should be in a better position to advise on the use of cheap
> conductivity meters (reads in uS) for the direct measurement of silver
> ion concentration. I want to run a couple more correlation tests and
> try to establish the requirements for accurate readings.
> This will enable you to perform the same tests that I believe Fred
> does. (must congratulate him for providing this 'gratis')
>
> Until then...
>
> Ivan.


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Re: CS>Animal grade ABX; anti-biotics' applications

[J.]

Jeff, thank you very much! *and others too).
Excellent comments, lots'a invaluable info! Much appreciated.

I'm wondering if Canadian Vet standards meet or exceed the
U.S.' standards (such as the 'USP') that was mentioned, when it comes to
animal ABX.

Also, there are several types of ABX out there, each more qualified for
certain symptomologies, etc.
- Any info/ suggestions there?

Much thanks!!


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CS>Re:FAQ/Jo/Thanks

[Katarina Wittich]

Hi Jo, thanks for your note and support -- and I do think it's a good idea
for people to add to it as it goes along. As a matter of fact -- once I post
it anyone can copy it and then add and repost I guess -- I'll ask Mike what
he thinks. I'm afraid I'm going to ahve to cut down on my time on the list -
so I won't be able to do the updating -- but we'll figure it out somehow.
Katarina

> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:02:28 -0800
> From: "Mercer" 
> To: 
> Subject: Re: CS>FAQ - tentative version -- last chance to contribute!!!
> Message-ID: <01bf2679$68efaf60$47a7e...@mercer.bendcable.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;
>  charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> Katerina,
>
> Thanks so much for starting this FAQ list. I realize it is a lot of work and
> appreciate all you have put into it.
>
> Let's all try to add to it as time goes on.
>
> Jo
>


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Re: CS>OT, Virus,flu and computer

[Marshall Dudley]

Tai-Pan wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>  Extract from a private mail.
>
> Tai-Pan wrote:
>
> >  Couple of new viruses are loose, one e-mail called Lump-of-coal, don`t
> > even click to read it, delete if you see it in your e-mail. The other
> > one is also an e-mail, called Bubbleboy, also very bad, don`t click on
> > it.

Full information on Bubbleboy:

http://msnbc.com/news/333265.asp?cp1=1

Marshall

>


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Re: CS>OT, Virus,flu and computer

[Tai-Pan]

Marshall Dudley wrote:
 
> I received an email on these earlier today.  I use Netscape.  How do you
> delete a message without opening it?  The delete button deletes the opened
> message, and I know of no way to delete a message without opening it.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Marshall
 
 Hi Marshall,
 Come to think of it, you don`t.
 Here is a direct quote.

  "Bubbleboy only requires that the e-mail be previewed on the inbox
screen of Microsofts Outlook Express. As soon as the e-mail is
highlighted, without so much as a click of a mouse, it infects the
computer."
  " The virus affects computers with Windows 98 and some versions of
Windows 95 that use Internet Explorer 5.0 and Outlook Express Web
Browser and e-mail programs."

 I have my Norton anti-virus set to check any file that is opened. :-)
 Did that this morning.

   Bless you  Bob Lee
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Re: CS>Oh Rats!

[Vilik Rapheles]

At 11:27 AM 11/10/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Vilik:  Rats have a short lifespan.  We had one, a little sweetheart named
>"Rattie."  She was my son's particular pet, but the vet told us when we took
>her in that they simply don't live very long.  She had much of the same
>symptoms you describe.  I don't know how old your little friend is, but it
>may just be that she's ready to go to the Big Exercise Wheel in the Sky.
>
>Liz
>
>
I don't know her age...I got her as an adult. We're working on rat longevity
on this end...


~^^V^^~



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CS>Dr. Clark

[Liz Pavek]

I read that Dr. Clark was released on bail shortly after her arrest, but 
haven't found anything more recent.

Liz

CS>More Warts

[Tai-Pan]

Hi Listers,

 All warts are viral, the wart is caused by 60 types of human
papillomavirus, some tumors can become malignant. Wart viruses are
circular, double-stranded DNA, with about 8000 base pairs. To qualify as
a separate type there must be less than 50% of DNA cross-hybridization;
subtypes more than 50%. Each type is indicated by a number. Each DNA
type is distinctive and identifiable by molecular hybridization DNA
techniques. The virus has a cubic symmetry, is 40 to 55 nm in size and
does not have an envelope.
 The virus enters the body through the skin following direct contact
with warts *per se* or contaminated materials. The virus is acquired
through minute skin abrasions.
 Calluses which are painful should be suspected of having a wart under
the callus, this is very common.
 Treatment of warts is usually not necessary since they are benign and
often spontaneously regress. In certain cases disappearance may be
affected by suggestion alone.
 Warts are worldwide and are spread person to person by direct contact
with infected tissue or contaminated objects. Autoinoculation from one
body site to another can take place. Contrary to popular opinion it is
unrelated to handling toads. However toads do have toxic secretions and
hands should be washed after handling them.
 Several new methods of treatment are available. Intralesional injection
of 0.1% bleomycin in saline often produces necrosis and cures in
stubborn plantar warts. However reports of scleroderma of fingers where
warts have been injected indicates caution in spite of its popularity.
  Also oral isotretinoin or etretinate is effective. These have side
effects and are never used on pregnant women. Interferon-alpha has also
cleared intractable skin and genital warts.

 Bless you  Bob Lee   
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CS>Warts and Belief

[Vilik Rapheles]

At 10:16 AM 11/10/99 -0500, you wrote:
>One of the biggest problems with trying to figure out what will get rid of
warts
>is that the body is so responsive to beliefs.  If you really believe that
>something will get rid of a wart, and then use it, I suspect there is over
a 50%
>chance it will work.  My sister got rid of her warts with stump water when
she
>was a little girl since she really believed it would work.  That could be one
>reason that so many different substances are reported to get rid of them.
>
>Once you provide the attention to the wart with the desire for it to go away,
>the appropriate energies (like Reiki) will go to work making it happen.
>
>Marshall
~~
"The body is so responsive to beliefs..."

Wouldn't your theory be as true (or untrue) for any condition?

And in fact may it not be that the reason it becomes so difficult
if not impossible to find "hard evidence" as one digs deeper into
so many theories is that what the body is really responding to
is beliefs and expectations?

For instance, some people swear the body (blood) should be alkaline
and some acid. Nobody can prove anything. But each side seems to
thrive on their beliefs.

After much though and watching of myself and others, I think major
illness is often an unconscious way to solve what seems to be 
an unsolvable dilemma. I think that will, belief, passion to live, 
finding another way to solve the problem or in some cases having
the illness solve the problem, openness to the lessons brought
by the illness which may mean an change in life direction, etc 
etc etc...all go hand in hand with the physical healing modality.

How does that all apply to warts? I dunnomaybe because for the
most parts warts are a low-level problem, there is more room for
psychic play. 


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Re: CS>OT, Virus,flu and computer

[Marshall Dudley]

Tai-Pan wrote:

> Hi Listers,
>  Extract from a private mail.
>
> Tai-Pan wrote:
>
> >  Couple of new viruses are loose, one e-mail called Lump-of-coal, don`t
> > even click to read it, delete if you see it in your e-mail. The other
> > one is also an e-mail, called Bubbleboy, also very bad, don`t click on
> > it.

I received an email on these earlier today.  I use Netscape.  How do you
delete a message without opening it?  The delete button deletes the opened
message, and I know of no way to delete a message without opening it.

Thanks,

Marshall


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Re: CS>Oh Rats!

[Liz Pavek]

Vilik:  Rats have a short lifespan.  We had one, a little sweetheart named
"Rattie."  She was my son's particular pet, but the vet told us when we took
her in that they simply don't live very long.  She had much of the same
symptoms you describe.  I don't know how old your little friend is, but it
may just be that she's ready to go to the Big Exercise Wheel in the Sky.

Liz


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CS>OT, Virus,flu and computer

[Tai-Pan]

Hi Listers,
 Extract from a private mail.

Tai-Pan wrote:

>  Couple of new viruses are loose, one e-mail called Lump-of-coal, don`t
> even click to read it, delete if you see it in your e-mail. The other
> one is also an e-mail, called Bubbleboy, also very bad, don`t click on
> it. These break the long standing rule that you had to open an
> attachment to the e-mail to get infected. These new ones are the e-mail
> itself and just clicking to read the mail will infect you. They both
> attact the hard drive files and resend themselfs as e-mails. It appears
> that they do not affect Netscape e-mail, mostly going after Microsoft
> Outlook Express and Internet Explorer. Network Associates has a free
> software patch at www.mcafee.com.
>   Well the new flu is here. The A-australia-5 as its called. No vaccine
> for it yet, caught the CDC by surprise. Lots of folks pretty sick.
> Starts as a sore throat, then fever, vomiting, general weakness and so
> on. If you don`t die, should be over it in a week and three more weeks
> to regain full health. I just got over it, lasted two days, no fever,
> minor stomach irritation. The CS gave my body the edge over it. I take
> CS every day, two teaspoons, and more when a bug hits. Incubation period
> was only three hours for mine. Lina came by Sunday and as leaving gave
> me a little peck of a kiss, three hours later my throat was sore etc.

  Bless YouBob Lee
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CS>More very interesting pics and text on strange things with our sun.

[Marshall Dudley]

Incredible interesting and astounding pictures:

http://www.millenngroup.com/repository/solar/orca3.htm

BTW I can verify the pictures are accurate, I have seen every one of them 
myself off
the NASA site before they pulled them.

Marshall


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Re: CS and warts

[Marshall Dudley]

One of the biggest problems with trying to figure out what will get rid of warts
is that the body is so responsive to beliefs.  If you really believe that
something will get rid of a wart, and then use it, I suspect there is over a 50%
chance it will work.  My sister got rid of her warts with stump water when she
was a little girl since she really believed it would work.  That could be one
reason that so many different substances are reported to get rid of them.

Once you provide the attention to the wart with the desire for it to go away,
the appropriate energies (like Reiki) will go to work making it happen.

Marshall

brpete...@msn.com.au wrote:

> I have had succes removing warts using an electronic "zapper",and applying
> the pulses to the wart via stainless steel needles under each side of he
> wart.Two half hour runs on successive days resulted in these things
> "layering off" for about 5 days.They have not come back.
> petemc
> -Original Message-
> From: James Osbourne, Holmes 
> To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
> Date: Tuesday, 9 November 1999 11:42
> Subject: RE: CS and warts
>
> >Marshall,
> >
> >I injected a small amount into a wart (my very own) about 5 mm round, the
> >seedy deep kind.  I inserted the needle through the wart until it became
> >painful, and injected probably about 1/100 CC.  Most of it came back out to
> >the surface when I removed the needle.  No noteworthy change in about a
> >week.
> >
> >I suspect if I had the resources to numb the area, and squirted a small
> >pocket at the base of the thing, it would work.  Adding MSM as a transport
> >agent would probably help.
> >
> >James Osbourne Holmes
> >a...@trail.com
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com]
> >Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:48 AM
> >To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >Subject: Re: CS and warts
> >
> >I heard of one fellow that got a syringe and injected cs directly into the
> >wart, and it fell of in a day or two.
> >
> >I use to burn warts off with a soldering iron.  After burning, a blister
> >would
> >form under the wart, and I would clip the whole wart off.  Wart would
> >return
> >about 20% of the time, but if you followed with CS I bet it would give
> >about
> >99% reliablility.
> >
> >Marshall
> >
> >James Osbourne, Holmes wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Liz,
> >>
> >> Some of my warts went away with a few random applications of topical Ag.
> >>  Some are very slowly going away with months of  MSM/CS solution rinse
> >> every couple of days.  The most vulnerable seem to be the round whitish
> >> softer type.
> >>
> >> The hard "seed-like" warts, which when seen on feet are called "plantar"
> >>  which penetrate the derma and epidermis, are the most resistant which I
> >> have seen.   I have one on my palm.   I almost beat it once by gouging
> >most
> >> of it away and then keeping a band aid on it occasionally soaked with CS.
> >>   But it was too deep, and the skin healed over it and it regrew.  I
> >Intend
> >> to have a dermatologist identify the resistant types before I figure out,
> >> if possible, how to make the Ag work.
> >>
> >> These may be variants of the same virus under different conditions.
> >>
> >> I read of one case in an industrial exposure due to inhalation of a
> >copious
> >> amount of powdered Ag, all the fellow's warts fell off an a very short
> >> period of time.
> >>
> >> James Osbourne Holmes
> >> a...@trail.com
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From:   Liz Pavek [SMTP:liz...@frontiernet.net]
> >> Sent:   Saturday, November 06, 1999 10:32 AM
> >> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >> Subject:CS and warts
> >>
> >>  << File: ATT0.html >> I tried the usual bandaid/CS on a wart on the
> >> side of my left forefinger.  For over a week I kept it saturated,
> >(carried
> >> a little dropper bottle of CS everywhere) but when I removed the bandaid,
> >> the wart was unchanged.  Perhaps it's the TYPE of wart.  It's a flat,
> >> almost "smooth" wart that I have had since I was a child.  Any tips would
> >> be very gratefully accepted.
> >>
> >> Liz
> >>
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Re: CS an PH concerns

[Marshall Dudley]

As I have reported here several times before, acid will hurt the stability
of CS.  That is why I use baking soda to increase the ph of CS/aloe vera to
7.  Anyway, my experience has been that the stability is reduced so that a
CS which is normally stable indefinitely will aggregate and drop out in a
few days to a week.  This is using 5 ppm HVAC CS.  If the particles are
larger or the ppm is higher, then the time is probably less, possibly much
less.

Anyway, I have often recommended putting CS into a glass of water before
drinking for this reason. This will both reduce the acidity of the stomach
and dilute the CS, both reducing aggregation.  I believe that dilution,
either with a glass of water, or from the liquid normally in the stomach
increases the time for aggregation sufficiently for most of the CS to make
it through the stomach wall.

Marshall

Steve King wrote:

> All-
>
> I had an interesting experience with CS recently
> that made me really question the effectiveness
> of CS taken internally. . . at least with normal
> methods.
>
> The other day, I grabbed a clean glass off the counter
> top and poured in my usual dose of CS. The normally
> clear (nearly) CS immediately turned bright yellow
> and then milky.  It was amazing. Like a message
> from God. After looking around the room for signs of
> angels or devils, I ruled out supernatural causes and
> investigated further.
>
> It turned out that my wife had earlier taken some
> vitamin C from that same glass in the form of
> pure ascorbic acid crystals mixed with water.
> So there was a residue of ascorbic acid on
> the glass that I thought was clean.
>
> So as an experiment, I assembled four clean
> glasses and filled two with fresh clear CS.
> The third glass was filled with pure water and
> 2 grams of ascorbic acid crystals. The fourth
> glass filled with pure water and a few grams
> of baking soda.
>
> To test the effects of acid PH on CS, I took
> an eye dropper and slowly added the vit C
> solution to the first glass of clear CS. Within
> a few drops the CS was bright yellow with
> milky streak and a very strong tyndall where
> before there was none.
>
> To test the effects of alkaline PH on CS, I rinsed
> the dropper and then added drops of the
> baking soda solution to the second glass
> of CS. The baking soda solution had no
> discernable effect on CS, no matter how much
> was added. The CS solution stayed clear
> with no Tyndall throughout. I was then
> able to add some of the vit C solution to
> the baking soda/CS mix without reaction.
>
> Some possible inferences. . .
>
> Acid PH wrecks CS, causing small silver
> particles to instantly clump together
> into large, colourful groups.
>
> Taking CS on an empty or acid stomach
> may be less than optimal, unless baking
> soda is taken first.
>
> When generating and storing CS,  acid
> PH may be causing larger silver particles
> and settling that is often attributed to
> other factors.
>
> Acid PH could be introduced by water
> of marginal purity or containers that
> aren't PH neutral.
>
> Combining CS with an acid drink such
> as orange juice may substantially reduce
> the effects of the silver.
>
> It may be advisable to use baking soda
> during the generation, storage and
> ingestion of CS.
>
> I know that both Brooks and Bruce
> have commented favorably on the
> use of baking soda but until my little
> vit C accident, I had no idea how sensitive
> CS is to its PH environment.
>
> cheersthen,
>
> Steve King
>
> cc: Bruce Marx
>
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CS>Buying CS Distilling Equipment

[MountainMolly]

I am convinced of the many uses of CS, but the aspect of making your own 
distilling apparatus is a little overwhelming.  Is there a place that you can 
buy 
Colloidal Silver Solutions or the Distilling Equipment ready to use and the 
supplies, 
and instructions?


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Re: CS and warts and soldering irons

[Chrlygirl]

In a message dated 11/9/99 5:41:56 PM Pacific Standard Time, vi...@peak.org 
writes:

<< Oh...so that's where the word "pecker" came from... >>

ROFL


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Re: CS an PH concerns

[Bill Schramm]

by all means continue your experiment, but you can't ascribe your
observations as caused by pH because it isn't the only variable.   Perhaps
you are forming silver ascorbate which is insoluble??

-Original Message-
From: Steve King 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 5:08 AM
Subject: CS an PH concerns


>All-
>
>I had an interesting experience with CS recently
>that made me really question the effectiveness
>of CS taken internally. . . at least with normal
>methods.
>
>The other day, I grabbed a clean glass off the counter
>top and poured in my usual dose of CS. The normally
>clear (nearly) CS immediately turned bright yellow
>and then milky.  It was amazing. Like a message
>from God. After looking around the room for signs of
>angels or devils, I ruled out supernatural causes and
>investigated further.
>
>It turned out that my wife had earlier taken some
>vitamin C from that same glass in the form of
>pure ascorbic acid crystals mixed with water.
>So there was a residue of ascorbic acid on
>the glass that I thought was clean.
>
>So as an experiment, I assembled four clean
>glasses and filled two with fresh clear CS.
>The third glass was filled with pure water and
>2 grams of ascorbic acid crystals. The fourth
>glass filled with pure water and a few grams
>of baking soda.
>
>To test the effects of acid PH on CS, I took
>an eye dropper and slowly added the vit C
>solution to the first glass of clear CS. Within
>a few drops the CS was bright yellow with
>milky streak and a very strong tyndall where
>before there was none.
>
>To test the effects of alkaline PH on CS, I rinsed
>the dropper and then added drops of the
>baking soda solution to the second glass
>of CS. The baking soda solution had no
>discernable effect on CS, no matter how much
>was added. The CS solution stayed clear
>with no Tyndall throughout. I was then
>able to add some of the vit C solution to
>the baking soda/CS mix without reaction.
>
>Some possible inferences. . .
>
>Acid PH wrecks CS, causing small silver
>particles to instantly clump together
>into large, colourful groups.
>
>Taking CS on an empty or acid stomach
>may be less than optimal, unless baking
>soda is taken first.
>
>When generating and storing CS,  acid
>PH may be causing larger silver particles
>and settling that is often attributed to
>other factors.
>
>Acid PH could be introduced by water
>of marginal purity or containers that
>aren't PH neutral.
>
>Combining CS with an acid drink such
>as orange juice may substantially reduce
>the effects of the silver.
>
>It may be advisable to use baking soda
>during the generation, storage and
>ingestion of CS.
>
>I know that both Brooks and Bruce
>have commented favorably on the
>use of baking soda but until my little
>vit C accident, I had no idea how sensitive
>CS is to its PH environment.
>
>
>cheersthen,
>
>Steve King
>
>cc: Bruce Marx
>
>
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Re: CS>Bottle color?

[M. G. Devour]

And no discussion of CS bottling would be complete if we didn't 
mention that some folks have stored it in clear bottles in ambient 
room light with no difficulties. Do an archive search on Bob Berger's 
posts if you have any doubt. 

I usually keep a couple of trigger sprayer bottles of CS in the
kitchen and bathroom. Fortunately the plastic these particular
bottles are made of does not cause fallout even after prolonged 
storage. They are the kind used in janitorial work and are labeled 
as being made of HDPE (high density polyethylene).

I keep 'em around for at least a week or two before the stuff gets 
used up, and there has been no noticeable change in color, or any  
fallout on the bottom of the bottles.

My CS is made with a 70 VDC supply, several kilohm resistor in 
series to limit current, 12 gauge wire electrodes, 1.5" spacing, 3.5" 
wetted length, room temp, distilled water only. I wipe the electrodes 
and stir "occasionally" and run until I read about 10 ppm on a TDS 
meter calibrated for sodium chloride. *Actual* ppm is not known.

My house is *not* a brightly lit place, and I do consciously avoid
putting the CS in direct sun, but other than that, light exposure
seems to be less than critical for a well made, "several" ppm, pale
golden or colorless brew.

I wonder if the dark bottle idea was more important to the less 
stable, larger particle stuff that we used to make with salt?

Be well,

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@mail.id.net   ]
[Speaking only for myself...  ]


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CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V99 #726

[Fernwoods]

I haven't tried these suggestions as the only wart I ever had just went 
away on it's own, perhaps from practicing Reiki, but thought you might be 
interested in what I have read.
One idea was hot water soaks, 100 to 113 degrees, for and hour.  Do this 
once a week.
Another was grapefruit seed extract drops put directly on the wart. 
And another was to add the smallest drop of water you can to a regular 
asprin, put it on the wart and cover with a bandaid, do this twice a day.
Hope this is helpful to someone.
Karen


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CS an PH concerns

[Steve King]

All-

I had an interesting experience with CS recently 
that made me really question the effectiveness 
of CS taken internally. . . at least with normal
methods.

The other day, I grabbed a clean glass off the counter 
top and poured in my usual dose of CS. The normally
clear (nearly) CS immediately turned bright yellow
and then milky.  It was amazing. Like a message
from God. After looking around the room for signs of 
angels or devils, I ruled out supernatural causes and 
investigated further.

It turned out that my wife had earlier taken some
vitamin C from that same glass in the form of
pure ascorbic acid crystals mixed with water.
So there was a residue of ascorbic acid on
the glass that I thought was clean.

So as an experiment, I assembled four clean
glasses and filled two with fresh clear CS.
The third glass was filled with pure water and
2 grams of ascorbic acid crystals. The fourth
glass filled with pure water and a few grams
of baking soda. 

To test the effects of acid PH on CS, I took
an eye dropper and slowly added the vit C
solution to the first glass of clear CS. Within 
a few drops the CS was bright yellow with
milky streak and a very strong tyndall where
before there was none. 

To test the effects of alkaline PH on CS, I rinsed
the dropper and then added drops of the 
baking soda solution to the second glass
of CS. The baking soda solution had no
discernable effect on CS, no matter how much
was added. The CS solution stayed clear
with no Tyndall throughout. I was then
able to add some of the vit C solution to
the baking soda/CS mix without reaction.

Some possible inferences. . .

Acid PH wrecks CS, causing small silver
particles to instantly clump together
into large, colourful groups.

Taking CS on an empty or acid stomach
may be less than optimal, unless baking
soda is taken first. 

When generating and storing CS,  acid
PH may be causing larger silver particles
and settling that is often attributed to
other factors.

Acid PH could be introduced by water
of marginal purity or containers that
aren't PH neutral.

Combining CS with an acid drink such
as orange juice may substantially reduce
the effects of the silver.

It may be advisable to use baking soda
during the generation, storage and
ingestion of CS. 

I know that both Brooks and Bruce
have commented favorably on the
use of baking soda but until my little
vit C accident, I had no idea how sensitive
CS is to its PH environment.


cheersthen,

Steve King

cc: Bruce Marx


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Re: CS>TETANUS

[Steve King]

>Don't forget to STOP taking CS for a day or two before and after the shot, or
>it will be wasted and ineffective.

wow!  important point. true for all biologic innoculations etc.
I suppose

thanx!


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Re: CS and warts

[BRPETERMC]

I have had succes removing warts using an electronic "zapper",and applying
the pulses to the wart via stainless steel needles under each side of he
wart.Two half hour runs on successive days resulted in these things
"layering off" for about 5 days.They have not come back.
petemc
-Original Message-
From: James Osbourne, Holmes 
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com' 
Date: Tuesday, 9 November 1999 11:42
Subject: RE: CS and warts


>Marshall,
>
>I injected a small amount into a wart (my very own) about 5 mm round, the
>seedy deep kind.  I inserted the needle through the wart until it became
>painful, and injected probably about 1/100 CC.  Most of it came back out to
>the surface when I removed the needle.  No noteworthy change in about a
>week.
>
>I suspect if I had the resources to numb the area, and squirted a small
>pocket at the base of the thing, it would work.  Adding MSM as a transport
>agent would probably help.
>
>James Osbourne Holmes
>a...@trail.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com]
>Sent: Monday, November 08, 1999 11:48 AM
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS and warts
>
>I heard of one fellow that got a syringe and injected cs directly into the
>wart, and it fell of in a day or two.
>
>I use to burn warts off with a soldering iron.  After burning, a blister
>would
>form under the wart, and I would clip the whole wart off.  Wart would
>return
>about 20% of the time, but if you followed with CS I bet it would give
>about
>99% reliablility.
>
>Marshall
>
>James Osbourne, Holmes wrote:
>
>> Hi Liz,
>>
>> Some of my warts went away with a few random applications of topical Ag.
>>  Some are very slowly going away with months of  MSM/CS solution rinse
>> every couple of days.  The most vulnerable seem to be the round whitish
>> softer type.
>>
>> The hard "seed-like" warts, which when seen on feet are called "plantar"
>>  which penetrate the derma and epidermis, are the most resistant which I
>> have seen.   I have one on my palm.   I almost beat it once by gouging
>most
>> of it away and then keeping a band aid on it occasionally soaked with CS.
>>   But it was too deep, and the skin healed over it and it regrew.  I
>Intend
>> to have a dermatologist identify the resistant types before I figure out,
>> if possible, how to make the Ag work.
>>
>> These may be variants of the same virus under different conditions.
>>
>> I read of one case in an industrial exposure due to inhalation of a
>copious
>> amount of powdered Ag, all the fellow's warts fell off an a very short
>> period of time.
>>
>> James Osbourne Holmes
>> a...@trail.com
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From:   Liz Pavek [SMTP:liz...@frontiernet.net]
>> Sent:   Saturday, November 06, 1999 10:32 AM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject:CS and warts
>>
>>  << File: ATT0.html >> I tried the usual bandaid/CS on a wart on the
>> side of my left forefinger.  For over a week I kept it saturated,
>(carried
>> a little dropper bottle of CS everywhere) but when I removed the bandaid,
>> the wart was unchanged.  Perhaps it's the TYPE of wart.  It's a flat,
>> almost "smooth" wart that I have had since I was a child.  Any tips would
>> be very gratefully accepted.
>>
>> Liz
>>
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Re: CS-Dust mites

[BinsMom1]

My son is allergic to dust mites and we have found that washing his bedding 
fairly frequently is the best technique for getting them to a manageable 
level.
Nellie
Christ, my all  <><


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RE: CS and warts and soldering irons

[O2 Communication]

Please keep me posted - my daughter has a few on her feet (possibly exam
stress brought them on?) and we'll try whatever to get rid of them!
Thanksomuch!
Yvonne
:o)

-Original Message-
From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:a...@trail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 3:25 AM
To: 'silver-list@eskimo.com'
Subject: RE: CS and warts and soldering irons


Hi Sam,

The one on my hand looks like what others have said is a plantar wart on
the foot.   Its penetration of skin and fascia is obvious, with minor
amateur exploratory surgery.

Gad, what we on this list do must freak the pro medical lurkers!

Without ever having seen a text which addresses warts in any detail, I
think:

1. The same organism may cause different looking 'things", especially in
different locations.
2. There is confusion between the location of warts and the causative agent
in the naming of them.

I plan to discuss this with a dermatologist if I can find one who is
willing to share a bit of his expertise.


James Osbourne Holmes
a...@trail.com


-Original Message-
From:   Sam Earle [SMTP:sear...@prodigy.net]
Sent:   Tuesday, November 09, 1999 6:02 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject:Re: CS and warts and soldering irons

Vilik,

Plantar warts are not true warts. They are a fungus, akin to ringworm. Have
you tried milk thistle topically? I would also consider consuming large
quantities of CS internally, as fungal infections are insidious and have a
tendency to run tendrils throughout the body once they get a foothold, as
it
were.

Sam

- Original Message -
From: Vilik Rapheles 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS and warts and soldering irons


> At 11:01 PM 11/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >It's actually not as bad as it sounds.  Warts seem to have no nerves in
> them, so
> >you burn till it starts hurting.  Then you wait a few minute and clip
the
now
> >cartharized wart off.  No blood, and no pain upon cutting.  Done it many
> times
> >to both myself and my son, who likes CS much better.
> >
> 
> I had plantar's warts on my foot at one time. They seemed to thrive on
> abuse. Freezing (done by an md)...cutting...burning with strong H2O2
> all just made them grow fatter and happier. Then I took milk thistle,
> for something else entirely, and they started disapppearing so fast you
> could almost watch it happening.
>
> I had a bad reaction to the milk thistle and stopped taking it, but they
> were already substantially reduced. And then one day I realized they were
> gone completely...possibly from something else I too internally.
>
> Now, after returning home from a trip to a hot springs, I find I have
> three baby plantars on one foot. One is in a sensitive spot and hurts.
> I soaked my feet in vinegar one night...no change. (I also noticed my
> feet were smelling... which they usually do not...so thought I might
> have picked up a fungus...)
>
> I was just going to write in to the list for suggestions and here you
> are already discussing it. Well, doesn't sound like cs is very helpful,
> and the only new idea is the soldering iron. The thing is...a plantars
> wart is almost flat. There is a kind of callous, but the "seed" or black
> part is far under the skin. When I tried to cut them out, it seemed no
> matter how much flesh I cut, they were still there. And the more they
> are disturbed the more they grow. Also, the seem to be quite
contagious...
> moving to other parts of the body. I would  strongly suggest from
experience
> not to "fool" with them without gloves, unless you want them on your
hands.
>
> So...any more ideas?
>
> ~^^V^^~
>
> ~^^V^^~
>
>
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RE: CS-Dust mites

[O2 Communication]

What a wonderful product!!!   Does anyone know what has happened to Dr Hulda
Clark after her arrest?
Yvonne
:o0
-Original Message-
From: Creston [mailto:crest...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 1999 12:22 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS-Dust mites


HI All,

Rob, I searched for [ "dust mites" and CS ] on the net

one of the items showing up is this link to Dr. Hulda Clark:

http://www.drclark.ch/bulletin/cs.htm

Here is an excerpt from it...

How you can use Colloidal Silver

Add to drinking water when on holiday of camping, sterilize anything
from tooth brushes to surgical instruments, spray on garbage to prevent
decay odors, on dish cloths, cutting boards, add when canning, preserving or
bottling, spray in shoes, between toes, add to bath water, gargle, douche,
colon irrigation nasal sprays, drop onto bandages and plasters to hasten
healing time soak dentures, spray refrigerator, freezer, food storage
containers, stops mildew, mold, wood rot, fungi. Use to spray pets bedding,
use in cleaning and mopping solutions. Spray onto the top of open jam jars
etc., spray food lids before closing. Spray air ducts, use in the final
washing rinse, in dishwashers. Spray around plant roots to stop tot, spray
foliage, inside gloves and under fingernails, rinse fruit and vegetables,
use in shampoos and rinsing water, spray pets, carpets, wipe telephone
mouthpieces, headphones, hearing aids, spray mattresses and allow to dry to
kill dust mites, clean combs and glasses with it. Excellent for diaper rash
and to spray inside diapers. Clean toilet seats with it, floors, underwear,
pillowcases, etc., etc.

If you want more information, and no one on the list knows, try doing a
search on the net.

Greetings,

H.B.





From the lack of response to my previous posting it would appear as
if
no one knows whether CS will kill dust mites or not.
Soyou will pardon me if I have another go, as I
am seriously concerned about the health problems that these
little monsters cause.

Rob

RE: CS-Dust mites

[O2 Communication]

Perhaps it's testing time!!   There is a powerful vacuum cleaner which
apparently sucks them out of mattresses (Kirby cleaners) into a bottle-like
container.   Might be worth trying if anyone has one and checking with a
magnifying glass that the critters are present before zapping them with cs?
Yvonne
:o)
 -Original Message-

From: Rob Lowe [mailto:r...@primus.com.au]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 10:20 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS-Dust mites


From the lack of response to my previous posting it would appear as if
no one knows whether CS will kill dust mites or not.
Soyou will pardon me if I have another go, as I
am seriously concerned about the health problems that these
little monsters cause.

Rob

RE: CS>Warts

[O2 Communication]

Yo, Mr INFORMATION!   You must have an arsenal of knowledge at your
fingertips.  Many thanks - that gives us something to literally work
through!!
Sincerely,
Yvonne
:o)

-Original Message-
From: Tai-Pan [mailto:l...@fbtc.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 6:41 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Warts


Hi Liz and Listers,

  Never heard of a wart that CS would not act on. However its your
*epithelial tumor*, so lets concentrate on ways of getting rid of it.
 There are many types of warts, for example, basicly five types;
  Common; on fingers, hands, face, scalp and knees
  Filiform; eyelids, face,lips, neck
  Flat warts; face, in groups
  Plantar; soles of feet
  Genital; vagina, cervix, penus, rectum, foreskin

  Each of these types has subcategories, but thats not germain at the
moment.

  Looking over past posts on the list I find the following;

  Evelyn; oregano oil and oregamax
  Chris; CS and aloe
  Marshall; CS and aloe
  Sam; walnut/clove/wormwood
  Carol; caster oil and baking soda, also oregano oil, lemon
  Robert; jewel weed
  Terry; CS
  RegLee; CS and lemon
  Bob; rub with copper penny

 Of course there is always the clinical way, freezing, burn with laser,
burn with acid, and cut it out, all of which leave a scar.
 The common wart is also treated with a collodion solution of 17%
salicylic acid and 17% lactic acid applied daily.

  A lot of herbs have been used over the years to treat warts, here are
some of them.

  Bitter root, apocynum androsaemifolium
  Bittersweet, solanum dulcamara
  Bloodroot, sanguinaria canadensis
  Celandine, chelidonium majus
  Corn-cockle, agrostemma githago L.
  Creosote bush, larrea divaricata
  Jewel weed, impatiens capensis
  Lyre-leaved sage, Cancer weed, salvia lyrata L.
  Milkweed, asclepias syriaca
  Persimmon, common,diospyros virginiana L.
  Poke, phytolacca americana
  Princess-tree, paulownia tomentosa
  Rattlesnake-weed, hieracium venosum L.
  Round-leaved sundew, drosera rotundifolia
  Sarsaparilla, aralia nudicaulis
  Prickly-pear cactus, opuntia humifusa
  Wild lettuce, lactuca canadensis
  Woody nightshade, solanum dulcamara L. (very toxic)
  Thuja, Northern White Cedar, thuja occidentalis

I have also heard of rubbing the wart with a green elder twig and
also rubbing with white onion.

  So we see that there are a lot of things not tried yet on your wart.

   Bless you  Bob Lee
--
oozing on the muggy shore of the gulf coast
  l...@fbtc.net


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CS>Robey Deluxe Generator

[Cindy Powell]

Hello everyone,

I am ready to purchase a colloidal silver generator, and have been referred to 
the Robey Deluxe Generator at $159.00 regularly $279.00.  Can anyone comment as 
to whether or not this is a good generator for the money, or is there a better 
machine out there?  I kinda like the dial a ppm self adjusting thing for water 
temperature etc.  
Your comments and advice would be greatly appreciated.

Well wishes,
Cindy

Re: CS>First silver salve?

[BROOKS BRADLEY]

Dear Sir.
It is quite simple to make an acceptable CS
salve.  Using your CS solution as the "water-medium"  (10-20 ppm CS) and plain
Knox gelatin..you can make a very acceptable salve.  The only compromise
is that the material must be kept under refridgeration in order to remain in a
gelatinous state.  However, if it happens to thaw, just put it back into the
refridgerator.  There are other, more exotic, mixtures involving glycerin,
lecithin, etc,. but this one is the most simple-and quite effective.
I hope this is of some value to your researches.
Sincerely.  Brooks Bradley.

Hutt William J (Bill) DLPC wrote:

> I was given some salve which was in the same container listed with
> vitamins.com.
> My daughter used it for her eczema, works good.  Thank for the address, I
> been looking without success.  Wish I new how to make it.
>
>
>
>
> BillH
> -Original Message-
> From: Cindy Powell [mailto:suns...@networld.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 9:29 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>First silver salve?
>
> Vitamins.com is offering a silver salve. Has anyone heard of the colloidal
> silver brands listed on vitamins.com
>
> http://www.vitamins.com/store/products/8/228.html
> 
>
> Smiles,
> Cindy
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