RE: CS>H2O2 and oxygenation
Thanks Pam; super stuff. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Pamela Grant [SMTP:pjgr...@northnet.org] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS>H2O2 and oxygenation >The useful >>action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation. >> >>Ivan. Taken from the book: HYDROGEN PEROXIDE: MEDICAL MIRACLE---by William Campbell Douglass,M.D. Dr. Farr in an experiment, uses an oxygen-measuring instrument to measure the oxygen consumption. The patient wears a mask over his face and a delicate, computerized instrument does the rest. the machine calculates the inspired oxygen and the expired oxygen and reports the differnce. The weight of the patient being known, the rate that the body is burning fuel(oxygen) can be easily determined. It's sort of like miles per gallon with your car, except we call it metabolic rate. If the metabolic rate goes up with H2O2 therapy, then Farr is right, and more oxygen is getting to the tissues--OXYGENATION OF THE TISSUES IS THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR GOOD HEALTH AND LONGEVITY. The results of this experiment were unequivocal. In less than two minutes after the beginning of infusion the metabolic rate began to rise. The rate of metabolism went up 100 percent and stayed at that level until the infusion was stopped. The rate returned to pre-treatment levels in about thirty minutes. The other experiment involved the measuring of the change in body surface temperature as a result of expansion of the tiny blood vessels in the skin(vasodilation). If the temperature goes up during the H2O2 infusion, then the body's oxygenation has increased and vasoldilation has occurred. If the blood vessels dilate, the circulation improves and, again, more vital oxygen is getting to the tissues. Within five to ten minutes after starting the infusion, the body surface temperature goes up by one degree, corresponding to the increase in oxygen consumption and vasodilation. A sensitive little photo-electric cell was placed at the end of the index finger to measure the pulse volume. This is an accurate assessment of the expansion of the tiny blood vessels throughout your body. There was a clear and sustained increase of the pulse volume throughout the treatment. All of these measurements-the oxygen consumption, the temperature rise and the blood vessel dilation-were duplicated for six consecutive days on all patients. That doesn't leave much room for coincidence. In fact, the essence of scientific proof is that your results can be consistently repeated in a high percentage of cases studied. 100% repeatability is not too bad. So now you can see the importance of these experiments in your own case. By simply taking your temperature in the armpit and pulse volume at the fingertip we can tell if(1) the H2O2 we are using still has its potency(the solution can deteriorate), and (2) is the H2O2 having the desired effect of the oxygenation of tissue in your body. There are so few treatments in medicine where the results can be so readily and easily determined as with vantage over any other form of treatment. Either it's working or it isn't. There is usually no in-between. Dr. Farr made another brilliant observation from his studies. He perceived that the tiny amount of oxygen couldn't possibly explain the doubling of the metabolic rate observed. He calculated that it would take approximately 416 quarts of oxygen to cause the increase in oxygenation(metabolic rate)observed in the patients. Even if the infusion was continued for 24 hrs., only 3 1/2 qts. of oxygen would be produced-less than 1% of the amount necessary to obtain the results measured. He concluded, therefore, that the increase in oxygenation is due to the infused H2O2 stimulating the body's enzyme systems. So the objections being heard from scientists that only a trivial amount of oxygen could be getting to the tissues is incorrect. They are technically correct, but the results speak for themselves and vindicate Dr. Farr's landmark research. How does this compare to the ingestion of H2O2 and whether or not the same results would be obtained, I do not know, yet. It would be a good experiment. If anyone wants more info on H2O2 I have more written which I can send. But for now I will delete the rest of what I was going to sendto you all, unless the interest is there. Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Dr. Len Horowitz and "clustered water"
Someone asked about how to obtain "clustered water", then someone else responded: Dr. Len Horowitz. Then I believe someone asked how to contact him. Well, here it is: Email : te...@tetrahedron.org Tetrahedron,Inc. P.O. Box 2033 Sandpoint, ID. 83864 U.S.A. Tel. 208-265-2575 (office) Order Line: 888-508-4787 or save 20% on all orders by clicking here 100% secure online ordering! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS for Fibromyalgia?
I have seen incredible results with a friend of mine following this program for 6 months or more. This MD. is against herbs and any other form of salycilates. www.guaidoc.com -Original Message- From: Steve Young To: Silver List Date: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:59 PM Subject: CS for Fibromyalgia? Perhaps this is a bit off topic. My wife suffers from fibromyalgia and has not found much to relieve the pain except deep muscle massage. Since it is allegedly a connective tissue problem, I don't see how CS would have much positive effect. She takes CS when she has a cold or flu, etc., but not regularly to try to deal with the fibromyalgia. Anyone have experience getting relief using CS? So, since many of you have wide ranging experience with other cures, any suggestions on methods to reduce or cure the effects of fibromyalgia would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, --Steve
Re: CS>heavy metal
I have to agree with rational thinking. Yes it is good to listen to both sides of an argument, but i do think the editors of quackwatch have a blind love affair with "western medicine" anthing that does not come from Pfizer or Lilly must be the work of a quack (in their minds) when in fact if one just does the research on some alternative types of medicine they will often find validity into "why" other forms of therapy work... Why is quackwatch trying to "protect" us from alternative medicine? I would wager that people who pursue alternative forms of medicine have often researched it in advance and are aware of what "traditional" medicine has to offer. I would also wager that people who pursue other forms of treatment are better educated than most of the "sheep" who aimlessly adhere to treatment without getting second opinions and doing research on their own. But yes, it is correct that we should keep an open mind - even if we do not like the source. rob From: rogalt...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>heavy metal Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 07:56:02 EDT In a message dated 7/10/00 7:05:30 PM EST, gotl...@hotmail.com writes: << Subj: Re: CS>heavy metal Date: 7/10/00 7:05:30 PM EST From: gotl...@hotmail.com (rob gr) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Yes, quackwatch is an infamous site. They are anti anything that does not make a profit for the drug companies. rob >From: Pamela Grant >Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: CS>heavy metal >Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:37:59 -0500 > >http://www.quackwatch.com/index.html > > >* <01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html>Colloidal Silver >(updated 11/5/99) > >Someone just sent this to me. I don't know what they are saying on this >websiteabout colloidal silver, but if they are out to discredit ALL forms >of alternative medicine then it is just as well my Netscape fails me. I >thought some of you might want to check this out. > >PG > > >> Rob: I wouldn't be so quick to write off "QuackWatch" posters, just as I wouldn't be so willing to believe everyone who posts here. I saw some interesting QuackWatch discussion of microwave radiation and mercury amalgams, for example. It's much better to hear both sides of a debate, however imperfect the discussion, before making up your own mind even if you have to rely on interpreted or even distorted information. Otherwise, you're faced with digging out all the relevant, and sometimes highly esoteric and technical information yourself, interpreting what you found so that you can reach an independent conclusion. Few of us have such a knowledge base, and/or training to do that beyond our own specialty. In fact, many posters here are simply not specialized in ANY particular area. It is much easier to let the so called experts make their case, and then decide who has the best supporting evidence and logic on his/her side. Tuning in to Quackwatch is helpful in this regard. What are the alternatives? Even using gut feel or intuition should be combined with as much factual information as possible. IMHO, relying solely on your "inner voice" may simply be a rational for intellectual laziness. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com
CS for Fibromyalgia?
Perhaps this is a bit off topic. My wife suffers from fibromyalgia and has not found much to relieve the pain except deep muscle massage. Since it is allegedly a connective tissue problem, I don't see how CS would have much positive effect. She takes CS when she has a cold or flu, etc., but not regularly to try to deal with the fibromyalgia. Anyone have experience getting relief using CS? So, since many of you have wide ranging experience with other cures, any suggestions on methods to reduce or cure the effects of fibromyalgia would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, --Steve
Re: CS>Bob Beck machines
In a message dated 7/13/00 2:43:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bradki...@webcombo.net writes: << You have to use "bloodelectrification" in one word for it to work. it seems like they are trying to hide it. >> Hi Brad, When I started the bloodelectrification list last year, I was having a difficult time finding information/testimonials from people who actually used the Beck protocol and was hoping that someone else would start a list - no such luck. At the time, I didn't know what to name it but I am always open to suggestions. I agree, it's a little confusing. Dotsie List Moderator - bloodelectrificat...@egroups.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>H2O2 and oxygenation
>The useful >>action of H2O2 is in its oxidation rather than in its oxygenation. >> >>Ivan. Taken from the book: HYDROGEN PEROXIDE: MEDICAL MIRACLE---by William Campbell Douglass,M.D. Dr. Farr in an experiment, uses an oxygen-measuring instrument to measure the oxygen consumption. The patient wears a mask over his face and a delicate, computerized instrument does the rest. the machine calculates the inspired oxygen and the expired oxygen and reports the differnce. The weight of the patient being known, the rate that the body is burning fuel(oxygen) can be easily determined. It's sort of like miles per gallon with your car, except we call it metabolic rate. If the metabolic rate goes up with H2O2 therapy, then Farr is right, and more oxygen is getting to the tissues--OXYGENATION OF THE TISSUES IS THE NAME OF THE GAME FOR GOOD HEALTH AND LONGEVITY. The results of this experiment were unequivocal. In less than two minutes after the beginning of infusion the metabolic rate began to rise. The rate of metabolism went up 100 percent and stayed at that level until the infusion was stopped. The rate returned to pre-treatment levels in about thirty minutes. The other experiment involved the measuring of the change in body surface temperature as a result of expansion of the tiny blood vessels in the skin(vasodilation). If the temperature goes up during the H2O2 infusion, then the body's oxygenation has increased and vasoldilation has occurred. If the blood vessels dilate, the circulation improves and, again, more vital oxygen is getting to the tissues. Within five to ten minutes after starting the infusion, the body surface temperature goes up by one degree, corresponding to the increase in oxygen consumption and vasodilation. A sensitive little photo-electric cell was placed at the end of the index finger to measure the pulse volume. This is an accurate assessment of the expansion of the tiny blood vessels throughout your body. There was a clear and sustained increase of the pulse volume throughout the treatment. All of these measurements-the oxygen consumption, the temperature rise and the blood vessel dilation-were duplicated for six consecutive days on all patients. That doesn't leave much room for coincidence. In fact, the essence of scientific proof is that your results can be consistently repeated in a high percentage of cases studied. 100% repeatability is not too bad. So now you can see the importance of these experiments in your own case. By simply taking your temperature in the armpit and pulse volume at the fingertip we can tell if(1) the H2O2 we are using still has its potency(the solution can deteriorate), and (2) is the H2O2 having the desired effect of the oxygenation of tissue in your body. There are so few treatments in medicine where the results can be so readily and easily determined as with vantage over any other form of treatment. Either it's working or it isn't. There is usually no in-between. Dr. Farr made another brilliant observation from his studies. He perceived that the tiny amount of oxygen couldn't possibly explain the doubling of the metabolic rate observed. He calculated that it would take approximately 416 quarts of oxygen to cause the increase in oxygenation(metabolic rate)observed in the patients. Even if the infusion was continued for 24 hrs., only 3 1/2 qts. of oxygen would be produced-less than 1% of the amount necessary to obtain the results measured. He concluded, therefore, that the increase in oxygenation is due to the infused H2O2 stimulating the body's enzyme systems. So the objections being heard from scientists that only a trivial amount of oxygen could be getting to the tissues is incorrect. They are technically correct, but the results speak for themselves and vindicate Dr. Farr's landmark research. How does this compare to the ingestion of H2O2 and whether or not the same results would be obtained, I do not know, yet. It would be a good experiment. If anyone wants more info on H2O2 I have more written which I can send. But for now I will delete the rest of what I was going to sendto you all, unless the interest is there. Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS Generators
In a message dated 7/13/00 2:20:28 AM Pacific Daylight Time, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes: << Mine will run on many power sources besides the wall >plug. Maybe Trems will too. I don't think the 777 will. > Some people swear by High voltage generators and there are some good ones >out there. >>Ken Ken, I have the 777SE (wishgranted.com) and it runs on several power sources and am happy with it, for one reason I didn't want to experiment and take the chance of messing up. Like the others you mentioned it has the automatic cutoff which I really like. Set it a night and it's ready the next morning. Regards, Mary -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>an air circulating CS invention anyone?
It is strange, but every now and then an e-mail I send to this list never makes it. Oh well, must be something I did as it was not a hot topic to have confiscated by the "you know who's". Now, I will try again. In my cellar I have a mold and fungus problem. I have been thinking of waays in which I might be able to rid this problem. I've thought of taking a hose and attaching a container of clorox and spraying everything, but I am sensitive tot hose fumes. I have also considered using an ozone generator to kill off the molds, but I would lso be breathing this toxin in as well. I've thought of replacing CS for the clorox in the hose, but I really don't want to gett everything wet, besides moisture is part of the problem anyway. I am now thinking of a humidifier using CS, but again--it's more moisture and my dehumidifier runs constantly as it is---and would a humidifier really get CS all through the air? What about putting the humidifier into the furmnace(next to the blower?--a friend told me he puts his ionizer in that spot?). What I am really hoping for is to spark the genius in you electrical engineers for a whole new invention for getting CS through the air. Anyone up for the challenge? Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS for the eyes
Thank you everyone for your respones. I just got back to my computer as I was putting CS drops into my eyes. Next, I am thinking of trying it in my ears. PG >Thanks, >Pam>> > > I have used it in my eyes with good results. > -hamilton > >hamilton williams >hamilto...@webtv.net > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>FAST
Service doesn't get any better.. I ordered Trem's SG6 Generator Monday around 11:30 AM and received it today about 11.00 AM. That is a half hour short of being 72 hours. This was a telephone order folks. Harvey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>apricot kernals
Yes,but you go lightly on them- and you are supposed to eat the flesh of peaches and nectarines as well, but not in the case of apricots. Macadamias [use a vice] and cashews an bitter almonds are all mentioned. There is a great deal more food listed in the booklet that contains Vitamin B17. Judith. > Is it only apricot kernels that work? I'm wondering if all the hard shelled > kernels > (ie peaches, nectarines, etc) would work too. > > Sparrow > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS for the eyes
<> I have used it in my eyes with good results. -hamilton hamilton williams hamilto...@webtv.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>? on generator quality
This list seems to generally favor a lot of space... James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Pamela Grant [SMTP:pjgr...@northnet.org] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 7:10 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>? on generator quality >> Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as >>many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, Are you talking about how far apart the silver wires are? And if so, what is the going consensus for this amount of space between the wires? PG >> Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as >>many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, electrode length, voltage and >>current output, water temperature and size of the container/batch > >To achieve what? There seems to be a difference in opinion as to what ppm >the solution should contain. What do you aim for? > >>To hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just >>made to your next batch to jump start it > >This is good to know. Thanks! Does it matter how old that jump starter is? > >>If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a >>bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor. > >Yes, it did have that flavor. Ya hoo, success! Of course I knew I had >success when the illness was gone within 5-10 minutes after drinking the >solution(probably had a bad bottle of ketchup---should have listened to >that "inner voice" that said "this ketchup is too old and you will get >sick"---actually, I am glad I ate it and found out that CS can work so >quickly on ?salmonella) > >>> I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more > >Thanks. This is what I wanted to know. > >In Search of the Miracle Cure, >Pam > > > > > > >> ## I'd have to know more about your generator to give you really >>specific answers but in general. >> It takes a fairly long time for CS to build up in distilled water. To >>hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made >>to your next batch to jump start it. Using plain distilled water can take >>a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, >>electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size >>of the container/batch. >> If you shine a strong flashlight in a dark room onto the electrodes, you >>shall see a faint white mist dissipating off one of the electrodes. It's >>working. It could take as long as an hour before this can be seen or just >>a few minutes. >> A laser pointer can be used to see a Tyndal effect. >> If you get bubbles forming, a grey deposit on one rod and/or a black >>deposit on the other, it has been working. >> Some people can't taste CS I suppose. I usually can if my taste buds >>aren't coated with a dairy product and I swish the cs around for a bit. >> If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a >>bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor. >> >> I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more often and >>the CS is more likely to turn yellow after a few days. Your setup may >>react differently. Try it. >> Ken >> >> At 01:07 AM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >>Thank you so much for your response. >> >> I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo. >> The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus, >> the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for that >> matter). Just one problem: when I used salt(in the past), I saw an >> immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time >> the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop >> processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown. Without >> the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should >> have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the >> generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have the >> temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I >> knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after >> 15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank >> more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was >> gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't >> know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was >> unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my >> symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was >> any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and >> preferred for solution to be clear--correct?). >> >> What is my question now? I have 2 questions: >> >> 1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees? >> >> 2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent >>batch? >> >> I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I
Re: CS>? on generator quality
>> Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as >>many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, Are you talking about how far apart the silver wires are? And if so, what is the going consensus for this amount of space between the wires? PG >> Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as >>many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, electrode length, voltage and >>current output, water temperature and size of the container/batch > >To achieve what? There seems to be a difference in opinion as to what ppm >the solution should contain. What do you aim for? > >>To hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just >>made to your next batch to jump start it > >This is good to know. Thanks! Does it matter how old that jump starter is? > >>If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a >>bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor. > >Yes, it did have that flavor. Ya hoo, success! Of course I knew I had >success when the illness was gone within 5-10 minutes after drinking the >solution(probably had a bad bottle of ketchup---should have listened to >that "inner voice" that said "this ketchup is too old and you will get >sick"---actually, I am glad I ate it and found out that CS can work so >quickly on ?salmonella) > >>> I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more > >Thanks. This is what I wanted to know. > >In Search of the Miracle Cure, >Pam > > > > > > >> ## I'd have to know more about your generator to give you really >>specific answers but in general. >> It takes a fairly long time for CS to build up in distilled water. To >>hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made >>to your next batch to jump start it. Using plain distilled water can take >>a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, >>electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size >>of the container/batch. >> If you shine a strong flashlight in a dark room onto the electrodes, you >>shall see a faint white mist dissipating off one of the electrodes. It's >>working. It could take as long as an hour before this can be seen or just >>a few minutes. >> A laser pointer can be used to see a Tyndal effect. >> If you get bubbles forming, a grey deposit on one rod and/or a black >>deposit on the other, it has been working. >> Some people can't taste CS I suppose. I usually can if my taste buds >>aren't coated with a dairy product and I swish the cs around for a bit. >> If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a >>bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor. >> >> I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more often and >>the CS is more likely to turn yellow after a few days. Your setup may >>react differently. Try it. >> Ken >> >> At 01:07 AM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >>Thank you so much for your response. >> >> I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo. >> The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus, >> the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for that >> matter). Just one problem: when I used salt(in the past), I saw an >> immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time >> the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop >> processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown. Without >> the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should >> have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the >> generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have the >> temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I >> knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after >> 15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank >> more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was >> gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't >> know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was >> unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my >> symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was >> any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and >> preferred for solution to be clear--correct?). >> >> What is my question now? I have 2 questions: >> >> 1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees? >> >> 2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent >>batch? >> >> I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I checked the solution >> and there was a dark brown to gray--I'd have to say it appeared >> slimy--residue attached at the end of one of the wires. What was that and >> what causes it--and is this a dtermining point at which I should decide to >> turn off the generator? >> >> PG >> >> >> >> >
Re: CS> WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]
Thanks Chuck. You know, I look So forward to your e-mails just so that I can read another one of your quotes. They are great. Do you make them up? I am still laughing. Pam >Mucho info on wateroz at: > http://www.waterozdirect.com > Chuck >Sometimes, I'm so good I make myself sick! > > >On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:27:59 EDT, samma...@aol.com wrote: > >>Hi all - >> >> I am interested in WaterOz products so wrote to the email addy Vilik had >>given in an old post. For those interested, the original WaterOz does not >>have a website yet. Email response from WaterOz below. >> >>Samantha > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>for the eyes?
Thanks, PG >Hi Pam, > >I mixed up some CS and MSM (the MSM to just below saturation) for eye >drops. My wife and I both use it and it seems to work just fine. Sure >beats that commercial poly-plastic eye solution stuff she was using. > >Ron > >Pamela Grant wrote: >> >> Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try >> putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. >> >> Thanks, >> Pam >> >> And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, >> Pam >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
Edith, do you have a link to Dr. Horowitz.? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]
Mucho info on wateroz at: http://www.waterozdirect.com Chuck Sometimes, I'm so good I make myself sick! On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:27:59 EDT, samma...@aol.com wrote: >Hi all - > > I am interested in WaterOz products so wrote to the email addy Vilik had >given in an old post. For those interested, the original WaterOz does not >have a website yet. Email response from WaterOz below. > >Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
Hi Pam, On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:46:44 -0500, Pamela Grant wrote: >Can anyone enlighten me as to what they mean by the "memory" of the water? Good Question. I hope someone has a good answer. :) (I've read about water's "memory" for years, and have talked to people who've been cured of major problems by using water shaken at a specific frequency. I've also read scientific reports (Rupert Sheldrake and others) about some kind of water memory. Also, homeopathic medicine uses this property of water extensively -- diluting poisons that would kill someone in minute concentrations to the point where there isn't even one molecule of the poison in the water: and the water is effective for a cure. But I sure don't understand it! -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>for the eyes?
Hi Pam, On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:49:15 -0500, Pamela Grant wrote: >Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try >putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. Yes, I use it daily (several times daily) as one of my procedures for getting rid of the fungus that caused my sinus problem (I have figured out that the fungus got into my body through my right eye when I was wearing contact lenses in a very dusty, moldy room where I worked for a time). I make up a batch of eye drops by mixing 5-8 ppm CS with normal saline solution and put it into a little dropper bottle. -- Dean -- from (almost) Duh Moines (CDP, KB0ZDF) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>for the eyes?
Hi Pam, I have heard reports of burn patients being dipped in a silver-containing solution. I think this method is used at some major burn centers, but I have no real data. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Pamela Grant [SMTP:pjgr...@northnet.org] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 3:28 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>for the eyes? For some reason, what you wrote brought up another question(I guess in relation to the body's ability to absorb through the skin): Does anyone bath in CS and what has been your experience? PG >In a message dated 7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: > ><< Subj: CS>for the eyes? > Date: 7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST > From: pjgr...@northnet.org (Pamela Grant) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try > putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. > > Thanks, > Pam > > > > And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, > Pam > >> > >Pam: > >Just the other day one of my eye lids got quite red and my eye was beginning >to get red as well. I put a tissue soaked in my 1 PPM HVAC CS over both >closed eyes before bedtime for about 10-15 minutes. I followed this procedure >for two consecutive nights, and the redness disappeared by the third day. I'm >sure that if I were more consciences, the problem would have disappeared a >lot faster > >Roger > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS=alkaline?
Hi Pam, I really don't know. The body will regulate blood pH within fairly narrow limits under most circumstances unless there is a serious pre-existing metabolic disease. Otherwise one should be concerned about too much vinegar in salad dressing. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Pamela Grant [SMTP:pjgr...@northnet.org] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 2:41 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:CS=alkaline? Is there any chance that the drinking of CS can turn one's body terrain alkaline? I had become very alkaline last year. I still am, but have no idea what I did to get that way. pam And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>for the eyes?
Hi Pam, Many others have posted reports similar to Roger's. Some say that eye infections go away in hours, not days, including Sty. However I would not put a silver sol of uncertain composition in my eyes. Pure---999+ fine---silver in pure water has never been demonstrated to cause harm, regardless of where used. It has been shown to kill all bacteria against which it has been tested, and some virons and fungi. In its earlier period of popular use---20s and 30s--- it was often administered IV. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: rogalt...@aol.com [SMTP:rogalt...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 2:37 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>for the eyes? In a message dated 7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: << Subj: CS>for the eyes? Date: 7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST From: pjgr...@northnet.org (Pamela Grant) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. Thanks, Pam And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam >> Pam: Just the other day one of my eye lids got quite red and my eye was beginning to get red as well. I put a tissue soaked in my 1 PPM HVAC CS over both closed eyes before bedtime for about 10-15 minutes. I followed this procedure for two consecutive nights, and the redness disappeared by the third day. I'm sure that if I were more consciences, the problem would have disappeared a lot faster Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>for the eyes?
Hi Pam, I mixed up some CS and MSM (the MSM to just below saturation) for eye drops. My wife and I both use it and it seems to work just fine. Sure beats that commercial poly-plastic eye solution stuff she was using. Ron Pamela Grant wrote: > > Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try > putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. > > Thanks, > Pam > > And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, > Pam > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
Excuse me Terry Dave Perkins "enjoy being" email: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com web site: www.betterwayhealth.com - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 4:28 PM Subject: Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water > No, thank you Dave. And I must stick up for Terry on one point: > > He did not write those words, I did in relation to some people's response > to what I've send this list in the past. Yes, I have restrained myself > considerably---and unfortunately,for many. I try not to send unrelated CS > material, but this does seem VERY important. I did forget to mention that > my experience with DW was not just based upon "feelings". My hair turned > gray(terribly) and I could not deal with ANY stress at all. It would show > up almost immediately as grid line formations all around my eyes. Since > giving up the exclusive consumption of DW, my hair now is back to the > original color and no more stress lines! Who is the doctor--scientist who > believed that the deficiency of minerals is at the base of all disease? By > the way, one doctor told me that gray hair is the deficiency of copper. > > Still Searching For That Next Morsel of TRUTH, > Pam > > > > > > >Terry writes:> Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able > >to "restrain" herself. > >> Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled > >water. Nothing > >> scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story. > >Familiar?--then don't > >> read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related. > >> _ > >> Terry, > > > >Pam > > > >Contrary to Terry's , what seemed to me, disparaging remark(s) > >"leading in" to your remarks, > >I appreciate the tone and content of your email; and am also > >encouraging, for my benefit, a chance to express an opinion (or > >question) on water without it being treated as a frivolous aside. > > > >> Okay, try to convince me. > >> At present, I am into "clustered water"---which is "evidenced" > >by a > >> beautiful 6-sided water molecule--as close as DR. Lorenzen > >could achieve to > >> the 6-sided water molecule found at the 6 "healing" waters > >sites around the > >> world. > >> > >> IN Search of TRUTH, > > > >This is what I believe, after much study, many opinions, (and > >facts) to be the most beneficial water for long term use in > >helping to optimize my well being. > > > >I hope the CS list continues to focus on being a place to find > >out the latest technical information on CS production and use but > >also continues to be accepting enough of some basic information > >that impacts the reason (I assume) that most of us participate > >i.e.. To help ourselves and others sort out the most efficacious > >methods to regain and maintain optimum health . > > > >Thanks, Pam > > > >Dave Perkins > >"enjoy being" > > > >email: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com > >web site: www.betterwayhealth.com > > > >- Original Message - > >From: Pamela Grant > >To: > >Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:47 AM > >Subject: Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water > > > > > >> Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able to > >"restrain" herself. > >> Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled > >water. Nothing > >> scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story. > >Familiar?--then don't > >> read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related. > >> _ > >> Terry, > >> > >> I knew I was asking for it--now I just want to know why you are > >so > >> passionate about this---I was hoping you would skip over my > >previous > >> e-mail. Well, here we go. > >> > >> >>Pamela refers to her experience of feeling worse after > >> >>drinking DW as a reason for concluding that DW is not > >> >>good to drink. > >> > >> Actually, no, I did not conclude based upon just my feelings, > >though you > >> made that assumption. I just didn't want to get into the whole > >story nor > >> mention the various practitioners who agree. At this point I > >don't even > >> remember why I wrote it. If it was to convince people NOT to > >drink DW, I > >> certainly would have written something more substantive than > >that. I am not > >> out to convince anyone NOT to drink this. I'll have to do much > >homework > >> first(if I come to that conclusion). You seem to want to > >convince--so here > >> is what I have to say. Even in this e-mail, I am not out to > >argue with > >> you---as you will see. Though arguing(or should I say stating a > >difference > >> in opinion) does seem to be allowed here. > >> _ > >> > >> It is also called a "dead water"--seen the images taken from > >under a > >> microscope. I did "feel" much better when I stopped drinking > >the DW and > >> started consuming colloidal minerals. You are right to mention > >about the > >> "healing crisis". I am NOT closed minded and I HAVE considered > >all that you > >> have written here long before you wrote it. I don't know who is > >right, and > >> frankly at the time I just need
Re: CS>Structured water
YES Dave Perkins "enjoy being" email: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com web site: www.betterwayhealth.com - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 10:32 AM Subject: CS>Structured water > Maybe Dave can answer this. Does a water ionizer produce structured > water? > > Marshall > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
It is a result of the ionization process. If someone near you has an Ionizing water filter you should be able to buy it for about $2.00 / gal. The clustered properties deteriorate over about 48hrs. so don't get too much at one time. Glass is the best container and refrigeration helps preserve the properties. Click on my site for more info. Dave Perkins "enjoy being" email: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com web site: www.betterwayhealth.com - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 9:29 AM Subject: Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water > Pam, where does one find "clustered water"? > > Frank in Texas > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>OT-DW--Oxygenate with H2O2
If reverse osmosis purified water is *dead* water as has been suggested by listers... Would it be possible to bring it *alive* by adding a few drops of 35% food grade H2O2? Perhaps the same question could be asked about demineralised water? Rob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>GERDS - cayenne may help?
The info I received was via snail mail and no URL listed. The toll free phone number is 1-800-926-4561 for Save Your Life Videos (the company name) in North Hollywood. It's called "The Curing with Cayenne Collection". One book (336 pgs), one audio tape and three videos. $30 plus $6 S&H. Ron epmoon5...@aol.com wrote: > > I have book tapes and vidio, no url listed on them but here is phone > #(818)503-5980 > no 800 # Betty Ft. Lauderdale > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>for the eyes?
Thanks Inga. >Hi, l use cs in my contact lens case..l just add one sm drop to each side. >Also l have put a drop in my eyes directly if l see a redness or feel >irritation in them. l have NO problems with my eyes at all. l feel it is safe >to do this since l have had no ill effects doing it. The ppm l have is >13ppm..but l only use a sm drop. > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>for the eyes?
Hi, l use cs in my contact lens case..l just add one sm drop to each side. Also l have put a drop in my eyes directly if l see a redness or feel irritation in them. l have NO problems with my eyes at all. l feel it is safe to do this since l have had no ill effects doing it. The ppm l have is 13ppm..but l only use a sm drop. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>for the eyes?
For some reason, what you wrote brought up another question(I guess in relation to the body's ability to absorb through the skin): Does anyone bath in CS and what has been your experience? PG >In a message dated 7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: > ><< Subj: CS>for the eyes? > Date: 7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST > From: pjgr...@northnet.org (Pamela Grant) > Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com > To:silver-list@eskimo.com > > Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try > putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. > > Thanks, > Pam > > > > And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, > Pam > >> > >Pam: > >Just the other day one of my eye lids got quite red and my eye was beginning >to get red as well. I put a tissue soaked in my 1 PPM HVAC CS over both >closed eyes before bedtime for about 10-15 minutes. I followed this procedure >for two consecutive nights, and the redness disappeared by the third day. I'm >sure that if I were more consciences, the problem would have disappeared a >lot faster > >Roger > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]
Do they have a colloidal copper water also? I too, am interested in the colloidal gold. Are you familiar with Dan Winters? Perhaps before drinking the colloidal gold, you should read what has been said, if you haven't already(implosion of heart, the need to project love so as to avoid when consuming CG---else go into borg state---just hints. If you want that article I think I have one saved on disk somewhere and can e-mail you off list if you like) Pam >In a message dated 7/13/00 3:14:19 PM Central Daylight Time, >pjgr...@northnet.org writes: > >> What is the WaterOz? >> >> PG >> >> > > It's a company that sells colloidal mineral water. Their prices are good >and they have been recommended by listers during the time I've been here. At >the moment, I am interested in their colloidal gold mineral water. > >Samantha > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CS>for the eyes?
Thank you Marshall, will do. PG >Always when there is an eye infection. Normally quits itching immediately, >and clears up totally within a few hours. Only use clear CS though to avoid >any possibility of staining. > >Marshall > >Pamela Grant wrote: > >> Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try >> putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. >> >> Thanks, >> Pam >> >> And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, >> Pam >> >> -- >> The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >> To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >> silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >> with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. >> >> To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> List maintainer: Mike Devour And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CS>for the eyes?
In a message dated 7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: << Subj: CS>for the eyes? Date: 7/13/00 3:12:17 PM EST From: pjgr...@northnet.org (Pamela Grant) Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To:silver-list@eskimo.com Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. Thanks, Pam And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam >> Pam: Just the other day one of my eye lids got quite red and my eye was beginning to get red as well. I put a tissue soaked in my 1 PPM HVAC CS over both closed eyes before bedtime for about 10-15 minutes. I followed this procedure for two consecutive nights, and the redness disappeared by the third day. I'm sure that if I were more consciences, the problem would have disappeared a lot faster Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]
In a message dated 7/13/00 3:14:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: > What is the WaterOz? > > PG > > It's a company that sells colloidal mineral water. Their prices are good and they have been recommended by listers during the time I've been here. At the moment, I am interested in their colloidal gold mineral water. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>for the eyes?
Always when there is an eye infection. Normally quits itching immediately, and clears up totally within a few hours. Only use clear CS though to avoid any possibility of staining. Marshall Pamela Grant wrote: > Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try > putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. > > Thanks, > Pam > > And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, > Pam > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS> WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]
What is the WaterOz? PG >Hi all - > > I am interested in WaterOz products so wrote to the email addy Vilik had >given in an old post. For those interested, the original WaterOz does not >have a website yet. Email response from WaterOz below. > >Samantha > >Return-Path: >Received: from rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (rly-zc03.mail.aol.com [172.31.33.3]) >by air-zc05.mail.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:50:51 >-0400 >Received: from web.camasnet.com (www.camasnet.com [207.53.135.66]) by >rly-zc03.mx.aol.com (v75.18) with ESMTP; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:50:32 2000 >Received: from hostname ([207.53.135.210]) > by web.camasnet.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09818 > for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:41:38 -0700 >Message-ID: <003201bfecea$744562f0$0201a...@wateroz> >From: "WaterOz" >To: >References: <4e.8343ee0.269ea...@aol.com> >Subject: Re: products and do you have a website? >Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:49:51 -0700 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > >Samantha, > >Thank you for the kind e-mail. Unfortunately, your question about whether >WaterOz has a website is somewhat complicated. At first, WaterOz company >policy was to only sell to wholesalers and retailers, so we allowed >distributors to use our name on the Internet. But now that we are selling >to the general public, we have reclaimed our trademark, and we will be using >the http://www.wateroz.com site by mid-August. But as of this today's date, >WaterOz has NO website of its own. See, I told you it would be complicated. > >John >WaterOz >1-800-547-2294 >Rt. 1, Box 104-B >Grangeville, ID 83530 And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>for the eyes?
Has anyone used CS in their eyes? I have a redness and would like to try putting CS into my eyes, but I would prefer to first ask the group. Thanks, Pam And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
I don't know. That is a good point. And yes, Lords or Lourdes is one of the places. But, does that explain(H2O2) the difference under the microscope for the structure of the molecule? I just found the packet sent along with my "clustered water" product. Next to the photo of a distilled water molecule it states: "Water is shown to have memory. This molecule of distilled water is an example of what happens when water is stripped or had its memory erased." Can anyone enlighten me as to what they mean by the "memory" of the water? Thanks, Pam >Is Lairds or Lards France one of the 6 healing water sites you refer >to? If so the healing power of this site is Hydrogen Peroxide. If you >were to take a test strip, it would test high in H2O2 naturally. I have >heard much about this clustered water, is it possible that clustered >water does not hold it's energy for very long after it has been bottled, >I wonder? >Blessings >Ted > >> >> >> >> Pam >> >> > Okay, try to convince me. >> > At present, I am into "clustered water"---which is "evidenced" >> by a >> > beautiful 6-sided water molecule--as close as DR. Lorenzen >> could achieve to >> > the 6-sided water molecule found at the 6 "healing" waters >> sites around the >> > world. >> > >> > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
CS=alkaline?
Is there any chance that the drinking of CS can turn one's body terrain alkaline? I had become very alkaline last year. I still am, but have no idea what I did to get that way. pam And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>nobody home
> P J Grant is much nicer than Pig Rant which is what I read Bob >>had. :> that is so funny! perhaps I do rant--but a pig I am not any more. lost 38 lbs. in 4 months---wasn't planned--I just got a boost-start from that DW I did--not that I want people to take that they should drink DW so as to become anorexic too(just kidding, Terry) pam >Pamela Grant wrote: > >> It is pjgr...@northnet.org. You just need to change the i to j. Sorry, I >> didn't send that i to you did I? >> >> Pam >> >> >Dear Pam ; >> > >> >I tried to send you a post at it >> >won't go . > >This is good. P J Grant is much nicer than Pig Rant which is what I read Bob >had. :> > >Marshall > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
No, thank you Dave. And I must stick up for Terry on one point: He did not write those words, I did in relation to some people's response to what I've send this list in the past. Yes, I have restrained myself considerably---and unfortunately,for many. I try not to send unrelated CS material, but this does seem VERY important. I did forget to mention that my experience with DW was not just based upon "feelings". My hair turned gray(terribly) and I could not deal with ANY stress at all. It would show up almost immediately as grid line formations all around my eyes. Since giving up the exclusive consumption of DW, my hair now is back to the original color and no more stress lines! Who is the doctor--scientist who believed that the deficiency of minerals is at the base of all disease? By the way, one doctor told me that gray hair is the deficiency of copper. Still Searching For That Next Morsel of TRUTH, Pam >Terry writes:> Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able >to "restrain" herself. >> Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled >water. Nothing >> scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story. >Familiar?--then don't >> read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related. >> _ >> Terry, > >Pam > >Contrary to Terry's , what seemed to me, disparaging remark(s) >"leading in" to your remarks, >I appreciate the tone and content of your email; and am also >encouraging, for my benefit, a chance to express an opinion (or >question) on water without it being treated as a frivolous aside. > >> Okay, try to convince me. >> At present, I am into "clustered water"---which is "evidenced" >by a >> beautiful 6-sided water molecule--as close as DR. Lorenzen >could achieve to >> the 6-sided water molecule found at the 6 "healing" waters >sites around the >> world. >> >> IN Search of TRUTH, > >This is what I believe, after much study, many opinions, (and >facts) to be the most beneficial water for long term use in >helping to optimize my well being. > >I hope the CS list continues to focus on being a place to find >out the latest technical information on CS production and use but >also continues to be accepting enough of some basic information >that impacts the reason (I assume) that most of us participate >i.e.. To help ourselves and others sort out the most efficacious >methods to regain and maintain optimum health . > >Thanks, Pam > >Dave Perkins >"enjoy being" > >email: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com >web site: www.betterwayhealth.com > >- Original Message - >From: Pamela Grant >To: >Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:47 AM >Subject: Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water > > >> Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able to >"restrain" herself. >> Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled >water. Nothing >> scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story. >Familiar?--then don't >> read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related. >> _ >> Terry, >> >> I knew I was asking for it--now I just want to know why you are >so >> passionate about this---I was hoping you would skip over my >previous >> e-mail. Well, here we go. >> >> >>Pamela refers to her experience of feeling worse after >> >>drinking DW as a reason for concluding that DW is not >> >>good to drink. >> >> Actually, no, I did not conclude based upon just my feelings, >though you >> made that assumption. I just didn't want to get into the whole >story nor >> mention the various practitioners who agree. At this point I >don't even >> remember why I wrote it. If it was to convince people NOT to >drink DW, I >> certainly would have written something more substantive than >that. I am not >> out to convince anyone NOT to drink this. I'll have to do much >homework >> first(if I come to that conclusion). You seem to want to >convince--so here >> is what I have to say. Even in this e-mail, I am not out to >argue with >> you---as you will see. Though arguing(or should I say stating a >difference >> in opinion) does seem to be allowed here. >> _ >> >> It is also called a "dead water"--seen the images taken from >under a >> microscope. I did "feel" much better when I stopped drinking >the DW and >> started consuming colloidal minerals. You are right to mention >about the >> "healing crisis". I am NOT closed minded and I HAVE considered >all that you >> have written here long before you wrote it. I don't know who is >right, and >> frankly at the time I just needed to get well again for I was >stuck in a >> city because of how I felt(couln't drive home it was so >bad)--yes, due to >> the DW(whether that was good or not...hmm--was just listening >to my >> body---perhaps the discussion should be whether or not our >bodies know what >> is best). >> >> Did I mention I was at a health conference when this escalated? >Let me get >> a little philosophical here for a moment. I was sitting in this >conference >> and I was going in and out of consciousness(with eyes wide >open---eerie)
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
Call Janice Campbell at 480-632- 0327 or 1-800-881-1540 X 1000 >Pam, where does one find "clustered water"? > >Frank in Texas > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CS>? on generator quality
>>Well, there are 24,100 messages in the archives, I dare say you have >>missed a few on topic ;-) That is probably because I can't get to those archives---so yes, I certainly have missed the whole darn thing Thank you Ivan for the message below. And I just want to congratulate you on your scores. I'm not your mother, but I feel a wave of love go out to you and I am proud of you. Pam >Hi Pamela, > >What causes one generator to produce 'brown sludge' and another to >produce clear CS, is... in a nutshell, the uncontrolled stripping of >silver ions from the positive silver electrode (anode) in ever >increasing clouds, and the aggregation of these ions into larger >particles before they can become solvated (surrounded by water >molecules), dispersed and stable. > >If a generator uses some sort of process to restrict and control the >stripping of the anode, or increase the dispersion of the particles >before they grow too large, then a very stable (indefinite?) clear >colloid can be made at high concentration (15+ppm). >Current limiting is essential in my book, this restricts the number of >ions stripped at any moment, and if the current density of the anode is >low enough can achieve the above alone. However this takes time and can >be increased somewhat if active dispersion is employed, either by >stirring or thermal convection. > >The physical dimensions of the generating container and electrode >configuration are also important in the overall properties of the >colloid. > >But it must be said that all CS, even the brown sludge (if intercepted >at the gold stage) is reported to be effective in treating infection >etc., and this is likely because of the manner in which it is absorbed >(IMO), but the darker the brew the less stable it is likely to be and >should not be stored for any length of time. > >I have posted a simple DIY generator running from a 9 - 12V wall adaptor >which generates clear colloid : > >http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m10918.html > >Regards >Ivan. > > >- Original Message - >From: "Pamela Grant" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, 11 July 2000 18:13 >Subject: CS>? on generator quality > > >> >> What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not >another? > > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CS>? on generator quality
> Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as >many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, electrode length, voltage and >current output, water temperature and size of the container/batch To achieve what? There seems to be a difference in opinion as to what ppm the solution should contain. What do you aim for? >To hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just >made to your next batch to jump start it This is good to know. Thanks! Does it matter how old that jump starter is? >If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a >bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor. Yes, it did have that flavor. Ya hoo, success! Of course I knew I had success when the illness was gone within 5-10 minutes after drinking the solution(probably had a bad bottle of ketchup---should have listened to that "inner voice" that said "this ketchup is too old and you will get sick"---actually, I am glad I ate it and found out that CS can work so quickly on ?salmonella) >> I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more Thanks. This is what I wanted to know. In Search of the Miracle Cure, Pam > ## I'd have to know more about your generator to give you really >specific answers but in general. > It takes a fairly long time for CS to build up in distilled water. To >hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made >to your next batch to jump start it. Using plain distilled water can take >a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, >electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size >of the container/batch. > If you shine a strong flashlight in a dark room onto the electrodes, you >shall see a faint white mist dissipating off one of the electrodes. It's >working. It could take as long as an hour before this can be seen or just >a few minutes. > A laser pointer can be used to see a Tyndal effect. > If you get bubbles forming, a grey deposit on one rod and/or a black >deposit on the other, it has been working. > Some people can't taste CS I suppose. I usually can if my taste buds >aren't coated with a dairy product and I swish the cs around for a bit. > If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a >bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor. > > I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more often and >the CS is more likely to turn yellow after a few days. Your setup may >react differently. Try it. > Ken > > At 01:07 AM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote: > > >Thank you so much for your response. > > I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo. > The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus, > the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for that > matter). Just one problem: when I used salt(in the past), I saw an > immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time > the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop > processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown. Without > the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should > have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the > generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have the > temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I > knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after > 15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank > more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was > gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't > know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was > unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my > symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was > any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and > preferred for solution to be clear--correct?). > > What is my question now? I have 2 questions: > > 1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees? > > 2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent >batch? > > I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I checked the solution > and there was a dark brown to gray--I'd have to say it appeared > slimy--residue attached at the end of one of the wires. What was that and > what causes it--and is this a dtermining point at which I should decide to > turn off the generator? > > PG > > > > > > > Pam > > I started this ball so I guess I'll roll it for a moment. > > The only reason I recommend against utopia is because I've seen photos of > >what they call the very best quality CS and it appears to me to be the very > >worst then go on to bring a 'good guy' image in by saying they only do this > >so that their children will have the best...and now..
Re: CS>Bob Beck machines
Alvin When I first did my search on egroups i used the key words "Blood Electrification" and came up with no hits. You have to use "bloodelectrification" in one word for it to work. it seems like they are trying to hide it. Alvin Rose wrote: > Hi Brad > I have lots of experience with the Beck Machines...I did a search on > egroups.com didn't find anything on bloodelectrificat...@egroups.com > Alvin Rose > > Brad Kirby wrote: > > > Dos any on on this list have any experience with Bob Beck Machines. Also > > for your information their is a Beck list. > > bloodelectrificat...@egroups.com > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS> WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]
Hi all - I am interested in WaterOz products so wrote to the email addy Vilik had given in an old post. For those interested, the original WaterOz does not have a website yet. Email response from WaterOz below. Samantha --- Begin Message --- Samantha, Thank you for the kind e-mail. Unfortunately, your question about whether WaterOz has a website is somewhat complicated. At first, WaterOz company policy was to only sell to wholesalers and retailers, so we allowed distributors to use our name on the Internet. But now that we are selling to the general public, we have reclaimed our trademark, and we will be using the http://www.wateroz.com site by mid-August. But as of this today's date, WaterOz has NO website of its own. See, I told you it would be complicated. John WaterOz 1-800-547-2294 Rt. 1, Box 104-B Grangeville, ID 83530 --- End Message ---
Re: CS>Re:H2O2 warnings
gd...@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/12/00 11:20:25 PM Central Daylight Time, > galing...@chariot.net.au writes: > > << I'm glad to see so many of you giving a warning about 35% hydrogen > peroxide. Here in part is my warning.. > > "There are certain parts of your body that have no nerves that record > heat. One of these is the external tube leading to the ear drum. Do > this test. Get some 3% hydrogen peroxide ... put a few drops of it in > one ear with your head tilted to the side so it stays in. Leave it in > if it > fizzles [otherwise try the other ear] for about 5 mins - then tilt > your ear to catch the liquid coming out. You will feel it very warm > when it runs out. When hydrogen peroxide releases oxygen it gives off > HEAT. That is why you must be careful using it." > > Why do you put it in your ears - to kick an inflamed throat, kill ear > fungi etc, and to lift impacted wax. > > > Judith. > >> > Have you ever measured the tempeture reached? I am sure you will find out it > is the same as your body temp. It warms up in the inner ear to this temp and > the outer ear canal is cooler. So it feels warm to you. Try that. > > gene Downey > > I agree. I get the same effect from plain old water in the ear. The inner ear is essentially the same as your core temerature. That is why the instant therometers use this as its measurement point. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re:H2O2 warnings
In a message dated 7/12/00 11:20:25 PM Central Daylight Time, galing...@chariot.net.au writes: << I'm glad to see so many of you giving a warning about 35% hydrogen peroxide. Here in part is my warning.. "There are certain parts of your body that have no nerves that record heat. One of these is the external tube leading to the ear drum. Do this test. Get some 3% hydrogen peroxide ... put a few drops of it in one ear with your head tilted to the side so it stays in. Leave it in if it fizzles [otherwise try the other ear] for about 5 mins - then tilt your ear to catch the liquid coming out. You will feel it very warm when it runs out. When hydrogen peroxide releases oxygen it gives off HEAT. That is why you must be careful using it." Why do you put it in your ears - to kick an inflamed throat, kill ear fungi etc, and to lift impacted wax. Judith. >> Have you ever measured the tempeture reached? I am sure you will find out it is the same as your body temp. It warms up in the inner ear to this temp and the outer ear canal is cooler. So it feels warm to you. Try that. gene Downey -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Nebulizer Instructions /OT tumor/cancer etc
Hello HB I just read one of your old posts to the silver list and I would like to know if you could send me the 4-5 page interview with Dr.Beck on him 4 way protocol Thank You Carol Ryan - Original Message - From: Creston To: Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 4:41 PM Subject: Re: CS>Nebulizer Instructions /OT tumor/cancer etc > W.T. > > You may want to go to > www.drclark.net > She has just now published a new book about cancer. > > There are a number of mailing lists - if you search for "cancer" at > www.onelist.com > > I have a 4 or 5 page interview given by Dr. Beck, talking about his 4-way > protocol which includes cancer treatment. Email me directly if you want it. > > Other Dr. Bob Beck info is at: > www.rarebooks.net/beck/ > > Greetings, > H.B. > > > > > Yesterday after his Dr. visit he > > told me that they found a lump/tumor in his lung and they are about 99 % > > sure it is cancer. > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour >
Re: CS>Teeth and CS/dental supply lines
When I go to the Dentist, I bring a quart of CS and swoosh with that. I have to be extra careful because I go to Mexico for my dental work and wouldn't want to drink their water even if their tubes were clean. Thought for the day: The argumentative panhandler begs to differ. Erwin samma...@aol.com wrote: > Hi All - > > Just to jump in here... ABC's 20/20 did a segment a few months back on the > disgusting water dentists unwittingly use in our mouths during various > procedures. The supply lines from their water source to the chairs hold > water that stagnates and builds up goo, bacteria, segmented worms and other > horrible stuff. The pictures were disgusting. Some dentists are catching > on, but most still use ancient yellowed supply-line tubing that runs tens of > feet from the source to the chairs. The goop that grows just stays in that > line. Imagine having root canal work done on a Monday with water that's been > stagnant in a gooey line all weekend? > > I called my dentist after seeing that show and learned they use gallon jugs > of bottled water under the chairs. When the jug runs out, they change it. > They clean and flush their short lines regularly. If I ever change dentists, > this will be among the most important questions I ask. I bet this gooey > water, used in so many procedures, is largely responsible for hideous > infections after root canals, gum surgery and molar extractions. > > Regards, > Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>trem..good job!>Start water temperature question.
Hi Marshall, "High temperatures add increased energy to the particles, thus increasing the chance they will hit each other and aggregate..." I am aware of this effect, but don't know the optimum temp. I have been running Marx's HVAC machine with start water controlled to 75 F +/- 0.5. No control after start. Occasionally, I have a batch usually in the last 15 minutes of a 2.5 hr. run turn yellow-tan, and no longer completely clear. Can you offer any recommendations regarding start water temperature? I have variables; uncontrolled room temperature and a not-well regulated line-voltage and no water bath to cool the vessel during the process. And, I am not keeping track of the moon phase during generation. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO -Original Message- From: Marshall Dudley [SMTP:mdud...@execonn.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:38 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject:Re: CS>trem..good job! Ode Wan Coyote wrote: > My [unproven] theory about the later yellowing: > 1]A high concentration of charged CS particle is produced. > 2] If the storage temperature is less than the production temperature, > the solution wants to compact...shrink? [whatever] > 3] If the particles are not completely hydrated [by stirring etc] they > have interfaces available to free oxygen which has a negative charge. > 4] This negative charge neutralizes the positive charge of some of the > unhydrated ions and allows them to bind to each other in varying > amounts producing an agglomeration around an oxygen atom. This effect > seems to be worse when using fresh ozonated water and better when that > water is either heated or allowed to vent for several days. > I only get deposits when using cool water and no stirring. They can > get pretty thick with fresh ozonated water but diminish with that same > batch of water if it is left loosely capped for several days. Other possibilities to check. 5. Exposure to light, primarily uv or sunlight. 6. The ph of the CS, upon absorption of CO2 it turns acid, the increased concentration of H+ in the CS causes the particles to NOT repell as well, and thus aggregate. 7 Temperature. High temperatures add increased energy to the particles, thus increasing the chance they will hit each other and aggregate, low temperatures reduce the browning movement, thus allowing increasing concentrations to drift toward the bottom, thus increasing the possibility of aggregation. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
Is Lairds or Lards France one of the 6 healing water sites you refer to? If so the healing power of this site is Hydrogen Peroxide. If you were to take a test strip, it would test high in H2O2 naturally. I have heard much about this clustered water, is it possible that clustered water does not hold it's energy for very long after it has been bottled, I wonder? Blessings Ted > > > > Pam > > > Okay, try to convince me. > > At present, I am into "clustered water"---which is "evidenced" > by a > > beautiful 6-sided water molecule--as close as DR. Lorenzen > could achieve to > > the 6-sided water molecule found at the 6 "healing" waters > sites around the > > world. > > > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>trem..good job!
Ode Wan Coyote wrote: > My [unproven] theory about the later yellowing: > 1]A high concentration of charged CS particle is produced. > 2] If the storage temperature is less than the production temperature, > the solution wants to compact...shrink? [whatever] > 3] If the particles are not completely hydrated [by stirring etc] they > have interfaces available to free oxygen which has a negative charge. > 4] This negative charge neutralizes the positive charge of some of the > unhydrated ions and allows them to bind to each other in varying > amounts producing an agglomeration around an oxygen atom. This effect > seems to be worse when using fresh ozonated water and better when that > water is either heated or allowed to vent for several days. > I only get deposits when using cool water and no stirring. They can > get pretty thick with fresh ozonated water but diminish with that same > batch of water if it is left loosely capped for several days. Other possibilities to check. 5. Exposure to light, primarily uv or sunlight. 6. The ph of the CS, upon absorption of CO2 it turns acid, the increased concentration of H+ in the CS causes the particles to NOT repell as well, and thus aggregate. 7 Temperature. High temperatures add increased energy to the particles, thus increasing the chance they will hit each other and aggregate, low temperatures reduce the browning movement, thus allowing increasing concentrations to drift toward the bottom, thus increasing the possibility of aggregation. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Structured water
Maybe Dave can answer this. Does a water ionizer produce structured water? Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>nobody home
Pamela Grant wrote: > It is pjgr...@northnet.org. You just need to change the i to j. Sorry, I > didn't send that i to you did I? > > Pam > > >Dear Pam ; > > > >I tried to send you a post at it > >won't go . This is good. P J Grant is much nicer than Pig Rant which is what I read Bob had. :> Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
Terry writes:> Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able to "restrain" herself. > Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled water. Nothing > scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story. Familiar?--then don't > read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related. > _ > Terry, Pam Contrary to Terry's , what seemed to me, disparaging remark(s) "leading in" to your remarks, I appreciate the tone and content of your email; and am also encouraging, for my benefit, a chance to express an opinion (or question) on water without it being treated as a frivolous aside. > Okay, try to convince me. > At present, I am into "clustered water"---which is "evidenced" by a > beautiful 6-sided water molecule--as close as DR. Lorenzen could achieve to > the 6-sided water molecule found at the 6 "healing" waters sites around the > world. > > IN Search of TRUTH, This is what I believe, after much study, many opinions, (and facts) to be the most beneficial water for long term use in helping to optimize my well being. I hope the CS list continues to focus on being a place to find out the latest technical information on CS production and use but also continues to be accepting enough of some basic information that impacts the reason (I assume) that most of us participate i.e.. To help ourselves and others sort out the most efficacious methods to regain and maintain optimum health . Thanks, Pam Dave Perkins "enjoy being" email: dperk...@betterwayhealth.com web site: www.betterwayhealth.com - Original Message - From: Pamela Grant To: Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:47 AM Subject: Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water > Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able to "restrain" herself. > Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled water. Nothing > scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story. Familiar?--then don't > read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related. > _ > Terry, > > I knew I was asking for it--now I just want to know why you are so > passionate about this---I was hoping you would skip over my previous > e-mail. Well, here we go. > > >>Pamela refers to her experience of feeling worse after > >>drinking DW as a reason for concluding that DW is not > >>good to drink. > > Actually, no, I did not conclude based upon just my feelings, though you > made that assumption. I just didn't want to get into the whole story nor > mention the various practitioners who agree. At this point I don't even > remember why I wrote it. If it was to convince people NOT to drink DW, I > certainly would have written something more substantive than that. I am not > out to convince anyone NOT to drink this. I'll have to do much homework > first(if I come to that conclusion). You seem to want to convince--so here > is what I have to say. Even in this e-mail, I am not out to argue with > you---as you will see. Though arguing(or should I say stating a difference > in opinion) does seem to be allowed here. > _ > > It is also called a "dead water"--seen the images taken from under a > microscope. I did "feel" much better when I stopped drinking the DW and > started consuming colloidal minerals. You are right to mention about the > "healing crisis". I am NOT closed minded and I HAVE considered all that you > have written here long before you wrote it. I don't know who is right, and > frankly at the time I just needed to get well again for I was stuck in a > city because of how I felt(couln't drive home it was so bad)--yes, due to > the DW(whether that was good or not...hmm--was just listening to my > body---perhaps the discussion should be whether or not our bodies know what > is best). > > Did I mention I was at a health conference when this escalated? Let me get > a little philosophical here for a moment. I was sitting in this conference > and I was going in and out of consciousness(with eyes wide open---eerie). > The speaker, a doctor, walked up to my desk where I was sitting and > suddenly changed the subject of what he was speaking about. He lifted up > the bottle of water I had in front of me(mind you, it was labeled "spring > water"---I had it filled with DW). He began to speak about distilled water > and how dangerous this water can be. All I remember is him saying it was a > "dead water". Life always seems to have a way of bringing me the > information I need when I need it most--call it luck or whatever else you > want. This wasn't the first time and it was unmistakably my WAKE-UP > call!--just when I needed it most! Has this ever happened to you? I feel I > can safely say it happens to people--just a matter of recognizing it---some > call it the "golden-tongued wisdom". > Have you ever had a deficiency and found yourself craving that nutrient? > The body's wisdom? I was craving minerals---yes. > This does not mean that the DW did not have benefit. > > Until coming to this list, I mostly heard the negative on DW(along with its >
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
In a message dated 07/13/2000 8:30:41 AM Central Daylight Time, frineha...@aol.com writes: << Pam, where does one find "clustered water"? Frank in Texas >> * I bought mine from Dr. Len Horowitz. Edith -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
Pam, where does one find "clustered water"? Frank in Texas -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>apricot kernals and other fruits
<> Actually I like cherries the best. However, I'm just going by taste, I don't know what the specs. are on the active ingredients. hamilton hamilton williams hamilto...@webtv.net -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Exam results - OT ;-)
Go Ivan, go Ivan, go Ivan!! (say this in a chanting fashion) and keep up the good work. Edith -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>? on generator quality
## I'd have to know more about your generator to give you really specific answers but in general. It takes a fairly long time for CS to build up in distilled water. To hasten the process, add a couple of tablespoons of the batch you just made to your next batch to jump start it. Using plain distilled water can take a couple of hours, maybe even as many as 5 depending on electrode spacing, electrode length, voltage and current output, water temperature and size of the container/batch. If you shine a strong flashlight in a dark room onto the electrodes, you shall see a faint white mist dissipating off one of the electrodes. It's working. It could take as long as an hour before this can be seen or just a few minutes. A laser pointer can be used to see a Tyndal effect. If you get bubbles forming, a grey deposit on one rod and/or a black deposit on the other, it has been working. Some people can't taste CS I suppose. I usually can if my taste buds aren't coated with a dairy product and I swish the cs around for a bit. If the CS is really fine, it'll have a faint metallic flavor. If it's a bit courser, a fairly strong metallic flavor. I find that with water over 100 deg, I get agglomeration more often and the CS is more likely to turn yellow after a few days. Your setup may react differently. Try it. Ken At 01:07 AM 7/13/00 -0500, you wrote: Thank you so much for your response. I made a new batch of CS yesterday as I became ill---well, with vertigo. The CS solution I made was the first I since getting on this list--thus, the first solution I've made without salt(or even this year for that matter). Just one problem: when I used salt(in the past), I saw an immediate release from one of the wires(a light gray in color) and in time the entire solution would become gray. That indicated to me to stop processing for to go any further the solution would turn brown. Without the salt there was no color this time--even after an hour or more(should have paid attention to the timing--and temperature). I wondered if the generator was working, but it was. I see it is suggested to have the temperature between 80-100. I just heated the water up and went for it as I knew I needed the solution right away. I drank some of the solution after 15 min. and again after 1/2 hr. I had to leave, but when I got home I drank more of the solution after 1 hr. of processing. Actually, the vertigo was gone after an hour had past from the first drink. Coincidence?--I don't know. Interesting, today I became ill after eating(pretty sure it was unrelated to the other day). Anyway, shortly after drinking the CS, my symptoms were gone--totally. This is one way to find out if my batch was any good--though it was clear(now I understand that it is okay and preferred for solution to be clear--correct?). What is my question now? I have 2 questions: 1. Does it matter if the water temperature is over 100 degrees? 2. How long should I run my generator to be sure I have a fairly potent batch? I want to mention that after an hour or thereabout I checked the solution and there was a dark brown to gray--I'd have to say it appeared slimy--residue attached at the end of one of the wires. What was that and what causes it--and is this a dtermining point at which I should decide to turn off the generator? PG > Pam > I started this ball so I guess I'll roll it for a moment. > The only reason I recommend against utopia is because I've seen photos of >what they call the very best quality CS and it appears to me to be the very >worst then go on to bring a 'good guy' image in by saying they only do this >so that their children will have the best...and now..they can share their >good fortune. > Well maybe it's true and they don't have a clue. Heck, I even sent them >suggestions and simple circuit diagrams to improve their quality..no response. > Ken > > >At 01:13 AM 7/11/00 -0500, you wrote: >> >The only one I recommend against is the last...Utopia >> >> >You can make fairly good CS >> >with such a unit but it takes a lot of care and experimentation. I doubt >> >you will be able to go stronger than 3 to 5 PPM without making yellow to >> >brown colored CS. >> >>What causes a particular CS maker to create brown sludge and not another? > >## Mostly 'runaway' [what Ivan said in another post] where the generator >just accelerates out of control..because it has no controls at all..not >even operator controls. > Mind you, I don't know if brown CS is harmful, but I doubt it's as >effective as a good clear CS or pale yellow. Personally, if I happen to >make some brown stuff while experimenting, I fill a drain with it. [yuck] > >>Or is that a myth? I have 2 CS makers(only tried one so far). I do get >>brown, but that is when I leave it running too long and I was using sea >>salt(and distilled water). > >## Somehow some people think sea salt is better than an additive free pure >salt. Think about how many heavy metals like
Re: CS>nobody home
It is pjgr...@northnet.org. You just need to change the i to j. Sorry, I didn't send that i to you did I? Pam >Dear Pam ; > >I tried to send you a post at it >won't go . > >Frustrated >Bob > > >-- >The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > >To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: >silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com >with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >List maintainer: Mike Devour And The Truth Shall Help You Be Healthy, Pam
Re: CS>OT-DW--warning, this is about distilled water
Oh no, she has done it again. No, she was not able to "restrain" herself. Yes, it is another Pam Grant e-mail--this time on distilled water. Nothing scientific--yet, just plain ole experience story. Familiar?--then don't read. It's long. I'm sorry. Not highly CS related. _ Terry, I knew I was asking for it--now I just want to know why you are so passionate about this---I was hoping you would skip over my previous e-mail. Well, here we go. >>Pamela refers to her experience of feeling worse after >>drinking DW as a reason for concluding that DW is not >>good to drink. Actually, no, I did not conclude based upon just my feelings, though you made that assumption. I just didn't want to get into the whole story nor mention the various practitioners who agree. At this point I don't even remember why I wrote it. If it was to convince people NOT to drink DW, I certainly would have written something more substantive than that. I am not out to convince anyone NOT to drink this. I'll have to do much homework first(if I come to that conclusion). You seem to want to convince--so here is what I have to say. Even in this e-mail, I am not out to argue with you---as you will see. Though arguing(or should I say stating a difference in opinion) does seem to be allowed here. _ It is also called a "dead water"--seen the images taken from under a microscope. I did "feel" much better when I stopped drinking the DW and started consuming colloidal minerals. You are right to mention about the "healing crisis". I am NOT closed minded and I HAVE considered all that you have written here long before you wrote it. I don't know who is right, and frankly at the time I just needed to get well again for I was stuck in a city because of how I felt(couln't drive home it was so bad)--yes, due to the DW(whether that was good or not...hmm--was just listening to my body---perhaps the discussion should be whether or not our bodies know what is best). Did I mention I was at a health conference when this escalated? Let me get a little philosophical here for a moment. I was sitting in this conference and I was going in and out of consciousness(with eyes wide open---eerie). The speaker, a doctor, walked up to my desk where I was sitting and suddenly changed the subject of what he was speaking about. He lifted up the bottle of water I had in front of me(mind you, it was labeled "spring water"---I had it filled with DW). He began to speak about distilled water and how dangerous this water can be. All I remember is him saying it was a "dead water". Life always seems to have a way of bringing me the information I need when I need it most--call it luck or whatever else you want. This wasn't the first time and it was unmistakably my WAKE-UP call!--just when I needed it most! Has this ever happened to you? I feel I can safely say it happens to people--just a matter of recognizing it---some call it the "golden-tongued wisdom". Have you ever had a deficiency and found yourself craving that nutrient? The body's wisdom? I was craving minerals---yes. This does not mean that the DW did not have benefit. Until coming to this list, I mostly heard the negative on DW(along with its ability to detox). I did start drinking the water--or that is continued drinking it as I had the idea that I would detox from any "unwanted" heavy metals(as I still waited for my filters to arrive). I also considered the source of the distilled water--as it is stored in plastic containers for God knows how long before it is bought by the consumer(no. 2 plastic---with light passing through leaches toxins from the plastic--esp. when at room temp.--so I have read)--and being from WalMart. Perhaps you'd want to argue the point about the source of a person's distilled water. Chemicals do leach---though I don't think this was the problem(entirely, anyway). Scientific "proof" is great---but, so is my gut feeling which seldom ever wrongs me. I would NOT go back to this water(same brand). I am not sure why you seem to take this so seriously. Do you sell distillers or distilled water? Or are you passionate because of the "good" DW has done? I had a chiropractor who bought a distiller for around $800.00 It was suppose to create highly oxegenated distilled water. I should give her a call and ask how they are all "feeling" these days. Reportedly, even adding a bit of this specially-made DW water to the well system will clear up and oxegenate the well water. I somehow think that they are probably not drinking it exclusively. >The medical industry scorns "empirical" evidence - >meaning subjective experiences which have been >observed and reported by "unprofessionals" - (though >they use it themselves whenever they feel they will >profit) as being "unscientific" precisely because of >the subjectivity of the report I certainly wouldn't want to give these guys any more ammo than they already have. >I have, for the last 18 years, >>forwarned my clients of the likelihood of e
