CSRe: Lyme disease Treatment
Allen, Treating Lyme Disease should be a multi-protocol treatment. Relying on a single treatment has rarely been completely successful long term. We have used a combination of CS (12 PPM True) and a Rife type machine. Although the originator of the EMEM style machines uses the EMEM as the sole treatment, my experience has shown a faster and surer cure with both. The BioWave machine has been wonderful in its cure rate for several disorders ranging from fibrous cysts (Multiple) in female breast tissue, migraine headaches, Lyme, and many others too numerous to mention, we ALWAYS use CS as a part of the complete treatment. Should you want more information, feel free to call me at 828-321-2577 or E-Mail me at an...@webworkz.com and we can discuss the efficacy of the various treatments. Bill Biagioli, N.M.D.
Re: CSIT'S ALIVE!!! (Moderator Remarks...)
On Mon, 21 May 2001 19:36:13 +, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: The FrankenStuart monster is stirring from it's slab, resurrecting smelly chunks of past arguments better left buried, and threatening to panic the villagers... Oh, That's GOOD! Chuck Outnumbered, yes. Outmaneuvered, maybe. Outclassed, never! -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHow Doctors (to be) Begin to Develop a Cozy Relationship with Pharm Inc.
List: I thought some of you might be interested in one example of how Pharm Inc. begins to influence the medical profession's objectivity, even BEFORE they become licensed practitioners. Roger Regarding an earlier enquiry about med school handouts related to corporate public relations... I asked a few current UBC med students if they could think of some specific examples (as opposed to 'we get stuff all the time, but I can't think of who or what right now), and in the past month the following were brought to my attention (and are therefore an incomplete list). 1. Welch Allen handed out mugs (no big deal), and has paid for some students' books from their 'book fund'. 2. All students get an annual subscription to CMAJ paid for by MD Management, which is an asset management company that specializes in doctors' financial portfolios and businesses c. MD Management also paid for the drinks (alcohol) at Skits Night. 3. Every couple of weeks there is a 'lunch' for residents held at some of the hospitals in the Lower Mainland. Residents attend a legitemate medical lecture, which is sponsored by some company, who also pays for the food. Usually, the lecture subject is relevant to a product the company sells, and sometimes the sponsoring company has a product pitch by a rep at the end of the lecture. For example, last month Mead Johnson pitched their baby formula at the end of a paediatric nutrition lecture. The lectures would probably take place without sponsorship. 4. Abott gave away 60 glucometers to 4th years last month. These are the 'expensive ones' that even measure ketones. I can't estimate the retail value until I see the actual model. More vaguely, the perception is that students only have to ask for something reasonable and it's theirs. So, the fact that most UBC student functions are unsponsored (covered by the ticket sales) is an indication that the students are aware that the sponsorships are an ethical disaster. They routinely turn down sponsorship offers for events such as the Medicine Ball, or for their sports teams' travel and uniforms. -Graeme. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWhat happened to Dr Jon's Amazing Colloidal Silver Particles?
Dear Argentums Has anyone being following the amazing Dr Jon and his self proclaimed ingenious generic-co-op. I subscribe to his newsletter to keep an eye on him after his unreserved support for Frank's paradoxical silver chloride hypothesis. This is junk-mail at its very worst. It looks like snake-oil and encyclopedia catalogue-sales rolled into one. Essentially, anti-science is presented as science via a Ph.D., eg, first, gelatin will be used only if certified as Mad Cow Disease free, or it will be substituted with vegecaps. Later, gelatin is assumed to be safe because heat processing is thought to destroy all pathogens. Apparently the good doctor does not know that there is currently no affordable and reliable test for prions, nor apparently, that they are accepted by all experts to be essentially heat stable. But who are we to question? Unlike the Silver List, there is no discussion for all to see and respond, just cheap propaganda. (Dr John is on this list, so this post is not at all behind his back) Circulation is now up to a claimed 50,000. Claims to not accept advertising, but the entire list is a piece of non-stop hype-product self-advertising. Claims to have analysed all of the opposition products and to either stock those rare ones which actually contain sufficient actives, or if none, claims to supply only his own which will do so. Does not mention names to expose the culprits as a good citizen should, so it sounds like just one of the oldest cheap sales tricks in the book. Strangely, nothing more is mentioned about Dr Jon's colloidal particle silver, in spite of the original fanfare, including Frank's silver chloride angle and his apparent endorsement of the superiority of Dr Jon's product. Oddly, now simple colloidal silver generator instructions are all the vogue. What happened to the good stuff which was being so extensively tested and was to be given away for free to those who could not afford it? What has led the good doctor, who Frank insisted is not selling anything and defended as a humanitarial philanthropist, to do an apparently 180 degree directional change and join the ranks of all the other snake-oil vendors on the web, albeit with a huge dose of claimed, yet unsubstantiated superiority. Forgive me if this sounds offensive, but I am only sharing and questioning. Regards Stuart -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHow Doctors (to be) Begin to Develop a Cozy Relationship with Pharm Inc.
An iconoclastic medical professor would have to confirm this, but think about it... Medical practice basically consists of diagnosis treatment. Outside of surgury, treatment usually consists of DRUGS. Therefore, the illnesses, diseases, disorders, etc. are actually defined and coceptualized according to the pharmaceutical perspective; i.e., they're viewed as of bodily conditions that require xenobiotic attenuation. E. g., if a patient suffers from cardiovascular dysfunction due to calcium buildup (due to deficiency in enzymes needed to facilitate calcium uptake utilization, and/or improper form of calcium in the diet), the presence of the buildup will have a diagnostic name linked to an indicated drug. A doctor will probably prescribe a drug that poisons the body's process for delivering calcium to the site. From the outset, his diagnostic investigation is into which drug-category a condition falls, and the actual nomenclature used to denote and distinguish diseases implicitly refers to symptomology that can be altered chemically. I submit that doctors are indoctrinated to identify diseases in terms of perspectives contrived by pharmaceutical co's to support and rationalize the application of their products, and that beyond the level of basic anatomy, medical textbooks are actually written by pharm co's. Russ Rosser Dietary Minerals: Sea Salt, Seaweed Juice -- Tastes GOOD enough for kids! (256) 546-5945 or 547-7850; cel. (256) 390-1439 On Mon, 21 May 2001 08:13:25 EDT rogalt...@aol.com writes: List: I thought some of you might be interested in one example of how Pharm Inc. begins to influence the medical profession's objectivity, even BEFORE they become licensed practitioners. Roger
Re: CSHow Doctors (to be) Begin to Develop a Cozy Relationship with Pharm Inc.
Russ: Thanks very much for your insightful perspective. Roger -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhat happened to Dr Jon's Amazing Colloidal Silver Particles?
Stuart wrote: Strangely, nothing more is mentioned about Dr Jon's colloidal particle silver, in spite of the original fanfare, including Frank's silver chloride angle and his apparent endorsement of the superiority of Dr Jon's product. Oddly, now simple colloidal silver generator instructions are all the vogue. What happened to the good stuff which was being so extensively tested and was to be given away for free to those who could not afford it? What has led the good doctor, who Frank insisted is not selling anything and defended as a humanitarial philanthropist, to do an apparently 180 degree directional change and join the ranks of all the other snake-oil vendors on the web, albeit with a huge dose of claimed, yet unsubstantiated superiority. Forgive me if this sounds offensive, but I am only sharing and questioning. One need only look at web site of author of these words to know who the real snake oil saleman is. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOzone, Superoxide and Aerobic Respiration.
Dear Argentums Some time ago, someone posted to the effect that respired oxygen is always or largely in the form of superoxide, implying that ozone sourced free-radicals are therefore perfectly natural and safe. Being too busy to respond to this, which I did not believe to be the case, I came across the following recently which reminded me of this question and I share the following with you, to clarify this point, which I am confident is quite accurate and also to add to the continued understanding of the tolerance of H2O2 in the body: Wells W, Getting rid of radicals, Chemistry Biology, 6: 12, 1999. (ISSN: 1074-5521, Elsevier Science, Lond) A 'low' level of superoxide is constantly generated by aerobic respiration. The electron-transport chain of mitochondria, which is meant to escort four electrons to molecular oxygen to form water, 'occasionally' leaks a single electron. ''It's like a wire with insufficient insulation,'' says Irwin Fridovich of Duke University, Durham, North Carolina. In 1969 Fridovich and Joe McCord (University of Colorado Health Sciences Center, Denver) discovered the body's primary mode of defense against this leakage: superoxide dismutase (SOD). SOD converts superoxide to hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) and molecular oxygen. It is remarkable for its use of electrostatic guidance of substrates to exceed diffusion-limited catalytic rates. The paper goes on to lament the instability of exogenous (dietary supplement or IV) SOD and its poor penetration into cells, which is why I try to ensure its endogenous induction via traces of colloidal copper, zinc and manganese, and catalase via copper (both as per the electrodes which Marshall has distributed). The paper continues: Metals are good at doing redox chemistry, but indiscriminate redox chemistry by free metals is very toxic to the cell. Manganese is far less toxic than copper and zinc in native SOD. Soon after its discovery as a byproduct of oxidative metabolism, superoxide began turning up in many biological systems: as a product of NADPH oxidase in phagocytes, which use a burst of superoxide to help kill bacteria; in signaling cascades involving NFKB in immune cells and ras in cancer cells. Catalase activity is the ability to break down hydrogen peroxide and in some instances is more important (than SOD). The only time hydrogen peroxide is a real problem is when you have superoxide around, because the superoxide reduces Fe(III) to Fe(II), releasing the iron from storage sites so that it can react with hydrogen peroxide and produce hydroxyl radicals. Regards Stuart -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSionic vs particulate CS
Hi Ya'all, You all will recall that we had quite a bua ha ha about the above subject, and there was no resolution, until Stuart posted is Biologic Transport of Silver Ions, on Wed. 09 May 2001. Go find it and print it out for your files ! There is a reasonable possiblity that Ag+ entering directly into the stomach will make AgCl, however if you read Stuart's post carefully and thought about it you would amend your ways of taking CS. As pointed out our saliva contains over 200 different protiens that will capture the silver ions if given a chance. Therefore it would be prudent to work up a reasonable amount of salivia before placing a tablespoon or more of CS in the mouth. As has been mentioned many posts ago the the CS should be swished around in the mouth for 30 to 60 seconds before swallowing it. This time frame would allow the formation of the metalloprotiens that Stuart mentioned. By so doing one could expect the CS to enter the blood stream through the liningsof the mouth as well as the stomach. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhat happened to Dr Jon's Amazing Colloidal Silver Particles?
Dear Frank In reference to my recent post, you wrote: One need only look at web site of author of these words to know who the real snake oil saleman is. ST: Would you please be so kind (or bold) as to explain what you mean by the above remark. For the benefit (or detriment) of silver-listers, the URL of my website to which Frank refers (and insults) is: http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za Please see for yourself who is defending ionic colloidal silver, and if there is any snakeoil for sale. Regards Stuart
CSIT'S ALIVE!!! (Moderator Remarks...)
Well, well, well! The FrankenStuart monster is stirring from it's slab, resurrecting smelly chunks of past arguments better left buried, and threatening to panic the villagers... I've privately asked the two gentlemen to return to their corners and take a breather. Anyone else wishing to comment on the dispute is advised to be cautious and emphasize conciliation rather than affront, criticism or blame, please. Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhat happened to Dr Jon's Amazing Colloidal Silver Particles?
I haven't had much time to look at your site, but I am impressed with the part I have looked at: NATURAL HEALTH STRATEGIES AGAINST AIDS It definitely supports the conclusions I have already come to myself. Marshall gaia research wrote: Dear Frank In reference to my recent post, you wrote: One need only look at web site of author of these words to know who the real snake oil saleman is. ST: Would you please be so kind (or bold) as to explain what you mean by the above remark. For the benefit (or detriment) of silver-listers, the URL of my website to which Frank refers (and insults) is: http://www.gaiaresearch.co.zaPlease see for yourself who is defending ionic colloidal silver, and if there is any snakeoil for sale. Regards Stuart
CSPlease restrict personal invectives to personal emails
Hey Guys, I just experienced the demise of another list because the personal sniping became the norm and the exchange of useful information the exception. Please lets nip this in the bud. If you have something to say that is personal in nature, please do so in a personal email. If you want the rest of the list to have an opportunity to read it, put on the off-subject list and tell us. Thank you, Steve Radcliff ** Original Subject: Re: CSWhat happened to Dr Jon's Amazing Colloidal Silver Particles? ** Original Sender: Frank Key fr...@strsoft.com ** Original Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:15:58 -0400 (EDT) ** Original Message follows... Stuart wrote: Strangely, nothing more is mentioned about Dr Jon's colloidal particle silver, in spite of the original fanfare, including Frank's silver chloride angle and his apparent endorsement of the superiority of Dr Jon's product. Oddly, now simple colloidal silver generator instructions are all the vogue. What happened to the good stuff which was being so extensively tested and was to be given away for free to those who could not afford it? What has led the good doctor, who Frank insisted is not selling anything and defended as a humanitarial philanthropist, to do an apparently 180 degree directional change and join the ranks of all the other snake-oil vendors on the web, albeit with a huge dose of claimed, yet unsubstantiated superiority. Forgive me if this sounds offensive, but I am only sharing and questioning. One need only look at web site of author of these words to know who the real snake oil saleman is. frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com ** - End Original Message --- **
Re: CSWhat happened to Dr Jon's Amazing Colloidal Silver Particles?
Dear Marshall Thanks for taking the time to see the alleged Gaia Research snake-oil site for yourself. Thanks for the open and positive report. Let's see if Frank can motivate his derogatory remarks, or whether he will remain content to merely shoot the messenger as before. Regards Stuart
Re: CSionic vs particulate CS
Bob wrote: As pointed out our saliva contains over 200 different protiens that will capture the silver ions if given a chance. Therefore it would be prudent to work up a reasonable amount of salivia before placing a tablespoon or more of CS in the mouth. As has been mentioned many posts ago the the CS should be swished around in the mouth for 30 to 60 seconds before swallowing it. This time frame would allow the formation of the metalloprotiens that Stuart mentioned. By so doing one could expect the CS to enter the blood stream through the liningsof the mouth as well as the stomach. If this is true, then by taking a mouthfull of cs and mixing it with saliva and then placing the mixture into a beaker instead of swallowing it, one could add a drop of hydrochloric acid (or salt) to see if the silver chloride precipitates out as a white cloud. According to the theory being proposed above, the silver ions will be protected by being encapsulated by proteins, and thus not combine with the chloride. I propose that many list readers try this small experiment and report the results to the list. If silver chloride forms, that would mean that the existence of protein in salivia does not keep the silver ions from interacting with chloride. I will report the results of such an experiment conducted here. frank key frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSionic vs particulate CS
Dear Ole Bob Berger You mention my suggesting that salivary metalloproteins could facilitate sublingual and alimentary assimilation of silver ions. Might I remind you that in proposing my ammonia hypothesis, I pointed out that common fasting values of salivary ammonia are 10mg/100ml (100mg/L = 100ppm) (Ref. Documenta Geigy Scientific Tables). This is more than enough to liberate and render any silver ions soluble from complexion with chloride, even in the case of colloidal silver made with salt, as has been (needlessly) frowned upon by many on the list (provided it is freshly made). Same applies to the lumen, where silver chloride is rendered soluble by the relatively high concentration of ammonia at that critical juncture justprior to assimilation and where metalloproteins might conceivably form and incorporate Ag ions, especially as Cu substitutes. Also, the colon, unlike most organs, is normally exposed to high concentrations of ammonia, a weak base that exerts profound and diverse biological effects on mammalian cells. The colonic lumen normally contains up to 70 mM, actively inhibiting chloride secretion in the colon, the transport event which hydrates mucosal surfaces. (Prasad M, et al, J Clin Invest, 96(5), 1995; Hrnjes B, et al, Gastroenterol 110, Suppl, 1996; Mayol J, et al, Am J Physiol 273 (Cell Physiol 42), 1997; Miyata R, et al, Inflamm Res, 48(5), 1999) Cell membranes are generally highly permeable to small, lipophilic molecules such as ammonia (Walter F, et al, J Experiment Biol, 196(1), 1994). Further, ammonia is an endogenous inhibitor of intestinal chloride secretion and is equally effective mucosally and serosally (O'Brien T, et al, Digest Disease Week, 3355, 1998). Colon cells are subjected to high concentrations of NH3 and NH4+. A sizeable portion of this buffer is absorbed (Raminez M, et al, Pflugers Arch (Eur J Physiol), 438(4), 1999). Ammonia profoundly inhibits Cl secretion in human intestinal epithelia, with half-maximal inhibition at 4-6 mM. The lumen of the lower gastrointestinal tract is the setting for bacterial action on ingested protein and the colon consequently experiences concentrations of the protein degradation product ammonia that may reach 100 mM. (Hrnjez B, et al, Amer J Physiol, 277(3), 1999) Silver chloride complexation is not the death of ionic silver which it has been made out to be. Consider the recent Russian eference which I posted dealing with the management of patients with purulent infection with intravenous infusions of silver chloride ammonia solutions (Abrosimov I, et al, Khirurgiia (Mosk), 7, 1997). I am still waiting on Frank Key's commets on this paradoxicalphenomenon. I think it would be advantageous to consider my ammonia hypothesis along with the metalloprotein hypothesis for a more holistic approach to silver assimilation. I have brought much of this data together on my website which Frank considers with such horror that he needs to attack it. The specific URL is: http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za/silver.html Regards Stuart
Re: CSionic vs particulate CS
Frank writes: If this is true, then by taking a mouthfull of cs and mixing it with saliva and then placing the mixture into a beaker instead of swallowing it, one could add a drop of hydrochloric acid (or salt) to see if the silver chloride precipitates out as a white cloud. According to the theory being proposed above, the silver ions will be protected by being encapsulated by proteins, and thus not combine with the chloride. I propose that many list readers try this small experiment and report the results to the list. If silver chloride forms, that would mean that the existence of protein in salivia does not keep the silver ions from interacting with chloride. I will report the results of such an experiment conducted here. frank key ST: What a stupid suggestion this is. There would rarely be hydrochloric acid in the mouth, salt maybe, but not likely under the conditions Ole Bob suggested. There would however be quite a bit of ammonia, as per my recent post, so most likely chloride concentrations would be non-problematical. Silly science indeed. Regards Stuart -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSaliva Experiment Results
While not a rigorous scientific experiment, this simple experiment was devised to test the theory that saliva contains proteins that will prevent the silver ions in colloidal silver from combining with chloride. The experiment was conducted on 21 May 2001 at the Colloidal Science Laboratory and the results have been photographically recorded and presented with the results. The results can be viewed at: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/experiment/SalivaExperiment.html frank key -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe[2]: CSionic vs particulate CS
Hello gaia, Monday, May 21, 2001, 6:12:11 PM, you wrote: gr ST: What a stupid suggestion this is. There would rarely be hydrochloric gr acid in the mouth, salt maybe, but not likely under the conditions Ole Bob gr suggested. There would however be quite a bit of ammonia, as per my recent gr post, so most likely chloride concentrations would be non-problematical. gr Silly science indeed. gr Regards gr Stuart I don't follow you here, Stuart. I think it is a valid experiment. As soon as one swallows the saliva/cs mixture, it IS going to be exposed to HCl. I, for one, am interested in trying this myself. You state Might I remind you that in proposing my ammonia hypothesis, I pointed out that common fasting values of salivary ammonia are 10mg/100ml (100mg/L = 100ppm) (Ref. Documenta Geigy Scientific Tables). This is more than enough to liberate and render any silver ions soluble from complexion with chloride, even in the case of colloidal silver made with salt, as has been (needlessly) frowned upon by many on the list (provided it is freshly made).. If this is the case, then I certainly shouldn't see any evidence of silver chloride being formed, correct? I will not eat for roughly 17 hours or so. I will use the same cs from the same container. In one beaker I will place pure cs, and label it A. In another, I will place roughly the same amount, but I will first place it in my mouth and swish it around for 3 minutes. Immediately after spitting it into beaker B, I will add a few drops of saturated saline solution to both beakers. I will then observe for the formation of silver chloride. While I certainly don't want to get into a pissing contest, I would appreciate any comments, or constructive criticism, on the above proposed experiment. -- Best regards, Solarmailto:so...@neo.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE: Snake Oil Reference. Contains mental virons. Delete now.
Hello List, I have a few questions about snake oil. Does any one have any cites on the indications and protocols for the use of snake oil? Is it taken internally or topically? Is one kind of snake better than another? Does it matter if it is a male or female snake? From what snake organ do you extract the oil? Most important, can you get toxic results from the oil if the snake is venomous? What does it smell and taste like? Does it have to be stored under special conditions? Is organic snake oil available? What is the FDAs position regarding snake oil? Is it true that some cults are using it as a sex lubricant? If you dont know the answers to these and countless other questions about snake oil, you need to order my book, Everything You Have Always Wanted to Know About Snake Oil, (But were afraid to ask because your family and friends would think you an idiot) For Silver List members only, on special now, for only $189.89, including FREE SHIPPING anywhere in the Continental US. Order today, and get my FREE Pamphlet included at absolutely no additional charge, How to squeeze the very last drop of oil from your snake without messy hands. Order in the next 4 hours and I will throw in at absolutely no charge, my shocking monograph on the blatant and uncaring FDA suppression of Snake Oil, titled, Snake Oil in the Age of Aquarius. Act now, or, you will keep getting snake doo all over yourself every time you try those outmoded and outdated snake squeezing techniques. (Due to increasing postal rates, there will be an additional 15.85 shipping charge for the free pamphlet) James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: gaia research [mailto:gaia.resea...@pixie.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWhat happened to Dr Jon's Amazing Colloidal Silver Particles? Dear Frank In reference to my recent post, you wrote: One need only look at web site of author of these words to know who the real snake oil saleman is. ST: Would you please be so kind (or bold) as to explain what you mean by the above remark. For the benefit (or detriment) of silver-listers, the URL of my website to which Frank refers (and insults) is: http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za Please see for yourself who is defending ionic colloidal silver, and if there is any snakeoil for sale. Regards Stuart
Re: CSRE: Snake Oil Reference. Contains mental virons. Delete now.
you need to order my book, Everything You Have Always Wanted to Know About Snake Oil, (But were afraid to ask because your family and friends would think you an idiot) For Silver List members only, on special now, for only $189.89, including FREE SHIPPING anywhere in the Continental US. Dear James- I'll pass on the snake oil offer, but I'll take some good Mescal with a worm it if you have any around. (can't pass up the free shipping)I hear that adding some CS and spit to it enhances the effects and makes that little buggar at the bottom nice and clean. YEEHAW!!! GT _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CSRE: Snake Oil Reference. Contai ns mental virons. Delete now.
Oh, thank you James! I really needed that laugh! ~Hanan In a message dated 5/21/01 5:19:24 PM, a...@cybermesa.com writes: Hello List, I have a few questions about snake oil. Does any one have any cites on the indications and protocols for the use of snake oil? Is it taken internally or topically? Is one kind of snake better than another? Does it matter if it is a male or female snake? From what snake organ do you extract the oil? Most important, can you get toxic results from the oil if the snake is venomous? What does it smell and taste like? Does it have to be stored under special conditions? Is organic snake oil available? What is the FDA’s position regarding snake oil? Is it true that some cults are using it as a sex lubricant? If you don’t know the answers to these and countless other questions about snake oil, you need to order my book, Everything You Have Always Wanted to Know About Snake Oil, (But were afraid to ask because your family and friends would think you an idiot) For Silver List members only, on special now, for only $189.89, including FREE SHIPPING anywhere in the Continental US. Order today, and get my FREE Pamphlet included at absolutely no additional charge, “How to squeeze the very last drop of oil from your snake without messy hands”. Order in the next 4 hours and I will throw in at absolutely no charge, my shocking monograph on the blatant and uncaring FDA suppression of Snake Oil, titled, “Snake Oil in the Age of Aquarius”. Act now, or, you will keep getting snake doo all over yourself every time you try those outmoded and outdated snake squeezing techniques. (Due to increasing postal rates, there will be an additional 15.85 shipping charge for the free pamphlet) James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: gaia research [mailto:gaia.resea...@pixie.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWhat happened to Dr Jon's Amazing Colloidal Silver Particles? Dear Frank In reference to my recent post, you wrote: One need only look at web site of author of these words to know who the real snake oil saleman is. ST: Would you please be so kind (or bold) as to explain what you mean by the above remark. For the benefit (or detriment) of silver-listers, the URL of my website to which Frank refers (and insults) is: http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za Please see for yourself who is defending ionic colloidal silver, and if there is any snakeoil for sale. Regards Stuart -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Snake Oil Reference. Contains mental virons. Delete now.
Hello James, I'll take a dozen books.. at the special offer for list members only of $189.89 (great Christmas presents.).can't resist this offer and the free shipping. Does the $15.85 free shipping apply to the whole order or is it per book??? Let me know by April 1, 2001 so that I may finalize the transaction...:-) Sincerely Joanne - Original Message - From: James Osbourne, Holmes To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:35 PM Subject: CSRE: Snake Oil Reference. Contains mental virons. Delete now. Hello List, I have a few questions about snake oil. Does any one have any cites on the indications and protocols for the use of snake oil? Is it taken internally or topically? Is one kind of snake better than another? Does it matter if it is a male or female snake? From what snake organ do you extract the oil? Most important, can you get toxic results from the oil if the snake is venomous? What does it smell and taste like? Does it have to be stored under special conditions? Is organic snake oil available? What is the FDA's position regarding snake oil? Is it true that some cults are using it as a sex lubricant? If you don't know the answers to these and countless other questions about snake oil, you need to order my book, Everything You Have Always Wanted to Know About Snake Oil, (But were afraid to ask because your family and friends would think you an idiot) For Silver List members only, on special now, for only $189.89, including FREE SHIPPING anywhere in the Continental US. Order today, and get my FREE Pamphlet included at absolutely no additional charge, How to squeeze the very last drop of oil from your snake without messy hands. Order in the next 4 hours and I will throw in at absolutely no charge, my shocking monograph on the blatant and uncaring FDA suppression of Snake Oil, titled, Snake Oil in the Age of Aquarius. Act now, or, you will keep getting snake doo all over yourself every time you try those outmoded and outdated snake squeezing techniques. (Due to increasing postal rates, there will be an additional 15.85 shipping charge for the free pamphlet) James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: gaia research [mailto:gaia.resea...@pixie.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWhat happened to Dr Jon's Amazing Colloidal Silver Particles? Dear Frank In reference to my recent post, you wrote: One need only look at web site of author of these words to know who the real snake oil saleman is. ST: Would you please be so kind (or bold) as to explain what you mean by the above remark. For the benefit (or detriment) of silver-listers, the URL of my website to which Frank refers (and insults) is: http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za Please see for yourself who is defending ionic colloidal silver, and if there is any snakeoil for sale. Regards Stuart
Re: CSLyme disease
Allen, If you go to your doctor armed with a printout of the checklist/questionnaire available at the following website --- http://www2.lymenet.org/domino/file.nsf/UID/guidelines --- then you will be better prepared for the initial interview. This is an overview of Lyme disease by an allopathic physician, with a checklist of symptoms, diagnostic hints, and allopathic treatment guidelines. You will find the symptoms that you have mentioned that you have had already. However, your holistic physician may have a better treatment protocol such as that mentioned by Dr Bill Biagioli. I am a former Lyme victim now symtom free. I am looking for a faster way to help my friends get rid of some Lyme diseases. Note the plural. When you are bitten by an insect that gives you Borrelia burgdorferi you usually are given one or more other diseases along with it like Babesia, Ehrlichia, Boronella or the new Borrelia recently announced. For this reason the electrotherapeutic approach of Dr Bill Biagioli appeals to me. It is so broad spectrum. All I would add is hyperthermia --- frequent saunas at 110 degrees --- because the Borrelia burgdorferi cyst is killed by heat, once you are able to endure the sauna for 30-45 minutes at a time. It relieved my pains as well. But I was a case of chronic Lyme having been sick for fifteen months before beginning treatment. I healed very slowly (two years of treatment) because at the time I did not know about the Bio Wave or EMEM. I used CS and blood electrification and the sauna. I would be interested in knowing how you make out with your first doctor interview. Best wishes, Carlos LeClair at spiro...@tampabay.rr.com -- --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01
CSAspartame investigation a last
Dear Group, At last some notice is being taken - even mentioned in the Sout Australian Advertiser... So I'm not just on a hobby horse you unbelievers Code number 951 - Aspartame, Equal, Nutrasweet - deadly poison - it is not a food additive it is a drug! Judith. Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 20:14:34 -0400 From: Betty Martini mission-possible-...@altavista.net Subject: WILL EUROPE BAN ASPARTAME? SUNDAY EXPRESS, MAY 20, 2001, PAGE 7, SWEETENER PROBED Comments by Betty Martini, Mission Possible International, 770 242-2599 at end of article and email address of Sunday Express Aspartame: UK national press article May 20, 2001 The Sunday Express, May 20, 2001 page 7 Sweetener probed By Lucy Johnston, Health Editor Action at last over additive Aspartame as fears grow of health risk in food and drink The Government has ordered a top-level investigation into the safety of Britain's best-selling sweetener amid fears that the low calorie chemical is a health risk. Aspartame, used in thousands of diet food and drinks has been linked to more than 90 adverse reactions including brain tumours and blindness. The Sunday Express has seen a leaked letter which reveals the Government's food watchdog - the Food Standards Agency - has sent more than 500 research papers on the chemical to the Brussels-based Scientific Committee on Food. If it finds it is a health risk, the sweetener widely used in fizzy drinks, squashes, yoghurts, spring water, chewing gum and pharmaceutical products, and often sold under the names NutraSweet and Canderel, could be banned. Last night, Liberal Democrat MP Norman Baker, who is campaigning for NutraSweet to be taken off the shelves added: This is a very positive step. Doubts have been raised about this product and they need to be cleared. Last September, the Sunday Express led calls for an inquiry after our investigations discovered large numbers of people were claiming their health had been damaged by the sweetener. They included Lyn Hunter, 49, of Liverpool, who regularly drank diet drinks with Aspartame and had pain in her limbs, headaches, lack of concentration and insomnia. Her constant pain became so great she even considered suicide. Her doctor treated her for arthritis even though tests for this condition were negative. When she eliminated Aspartame her symptoms disappeared. The leaked letter from food scientist Dr Sandy Lawrie expresses concern that Aspartame has not been reviewed by the Scientific Committee on Food for 13 years. It states: We have discovered more than 500 papers on Aspartame published between 1988 and 2000. There is clearly sufficient new data on Aspartame to justify a review. Sources at the agency say that if scientists find strong evidence about dangers of a product, they will advise an EU-wide ban. A spokeswoman for European manufacturers of Aspartame, Ajinomoto, said: All of the good scientific data shows it is safe. No data raises any concerns about Aspartame either new or old. However, many studies which have not been sponsored by the food industry highlight potential dangers. Professor Ralph Walton of Northwestern Ohio Universities said: I dispute the assertion that there are no health risks. I believe Aspartame increases risk of cancer. Virtually all the studies attesting to its safety have been funded by the industry. One independent study on animals shows how digestion breaks Aspartame down into formaldehyde, which accumulates in the animals' cells, damaging DNA and poisoning the liver, kidneys, eye and brain. However, the manufacturers argue that all the constituents of Aspartame are found in much greater quantities in natural drinks such as milk and tomato juice, and are not considered a health risk. In the US, there are now five Aspartame detox centres. Symptoms reported to America's Food and Drug Administration include headaches, skin problems, stomach disorders, poor vision, depression, carbohydrate cravings, panic attacks, irregular heart rhythms and seizures. For more information send an SAE to Geoff Brewer, Additives Survivors Network, 63 Downlands Road, Devizes, SN10 5EF or visit the online support group at www.dorway.com END OF ARTICLE Comments from Betty Martini, Mission Possible International As many know I lectured in the UK the end of August and Sept, 2001 and provided many records the UK had not seen. Aspartame was approved in the UK through a business deal between Searle and Professor Paul Turner. When Parliament found out there was a big blowout but the order was not rescinded. ( Article in Guardian) Therefore, the UK did not know that in the beginning the FDA had asked for the indictment of Searle but two U.S. Prosecutors hired on with the defense team and the statute of limitations expired. For 16 years the FDA refused to approve aspartame because of the brain tumors but Searle hired Don Rumsfeld (now Secretary of Defense) who said he would call in his markers and get it approved anyway. See UPI 8 month investigation of
Re: CSionic vs particulate CS
Stuart; Why didn't you say so? :-) This reminds me of a correspondence that actually took place between a plumber and the US government (can't recall the bureau) Where the plumber asked about using HCl to clean pipes. The answer was that one could not doubt the efficacy of HCl in cleaning pipes, but that it was detrimental to the system. After several enter changes the Gov. wrote back, do not use hydrochloric acid it eats the hell out of the pipes!!! Somewhere in my files I have saved that. Thanks; Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Snake Oil Reference. Contains mental virons. Delete now.
Your so Smart ! (sigh) Tel Tofflemire from Phoenix,AZ James Osbourne, Holmes wrote: Hello List, I have a few questions about snake oil. Does any one have any cites on the indications and protocols for the use of snake oil? Is it taken internally or topically?Is one kind of snake better than another? Does it matter if it is a male or female snake?From what snake organ do you extract the oil? Most important, can you get toxic results from the oil if the snake is venomous? What does it smell and taste like?Does it have to be stored under special conditions?Is organic snake oil available? What is the FDAs position regarding snake oil? Is it true that some cults are using it as a sex lubricant? If you dont know the answers to these and countless other questions about snake oil, you need to order my book, Everything You Have Always Wanted to Know About Snake Oil, (But were afraid to ask because your family and friends would think you an idiot) For Silver List members only, on special now, for only $189.89, including FREE SHIPPING anywhere in the Continental US. Order today, and get my FREE Pamphlet included at absolutely no additional charge, How to squeeze the very last drop of oil from your snake without messy hands.Order in the next 4 hours and I will throw in at absolutely no charge, my shocking monograph on the blatant and uncaring FDA suppression of Snake Oil, titled, Snake Oil in the Age of Aquarius.Act now, or, you will keep getting snake doo all over yourself every time you try those outmoded and outdated snake squeezing techniques. (Due to increasing postal rates, there will be an additional 15.85 shipping charge for the free pamphlet) James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: gaia research [mailto:gaia.resea...@pixie.co.za] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:36 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSWhat happened to Dr Jon's Amazing Colloidal Silver Particles? Dear Frank In reference to my recent post, you wrote: One need only look at web site of author of these words to know who the real snake oil saleman is. ST: Would you please be so kind (or bold) as to explain what you mean by the above remark. For the benefit (or detriment) of silver-listers, the URL of my website to which Frank refers (and insults) is: http://www.gaiaresearch.co.za Please see for yourself who is defending ionic colloidal silver, and if there is any snakeoil for sale. Regards Stuart
