CS>Re: Ear surgery on a child

[Judith Thamm]

Dear Julie & Critters,
You mention ear surgery in your letter...

> Her 7 year old son is following in her footsteps tho, as he is always ill
> and has already had surgery on his ears for drainage purposes.
>
This is a case of wrongly treated allergy plus the antibiotic Amoxcillan
[dubious spelling...].  The child needs to stop consuming milk and wheat and
ear problems disappear.  The child is allergic to both foods.

Do ask about the kind of antibiotic given - I've known several who tell me
how bad their child's ears were - I ask the name of antibiotic given -
always Amoxcillan.  I read about this in a book I borrowed from the library
years ago - written by an MD.  Book's name and author's name escapes me -
but the information stuck!

Regards,
Judith.


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Re: CS>appropriate technology and nebulizers

[brooks bradley]

Dear Reid,
It was one of our staff members who designed the 'originaL'' device
using the little Harbor Freight airbrush.
Although I never posted the informationhe did
experimentsuccessfullywith an ordinary "old-fashioned" automobile
tire pump (hand-operated variety).   He  informs that it only requires a
minimum effort/skill to generate a very acceptable volume/pressure from the
pump.
Although such would be  seriously considered here in U.S. as an
emergency measureit might offer real promise in many third-world
scenarios.
Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley

- Original Message -
From: "Reid Harvey" 
To: "silver digest" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:50 PM
Subject: CS>appropriate technology and nebulizers


> CS Friends and Lovers,
> I feel a bit apologetic for a posting like this one, but on the other
> hand feel that it's important.  It's a lot like the various messages
> I've written concerning the urgent need for inexpensive CS, made from
> the concentrated form. Personally I'm anxious to get a nebulizer like
> the one from Harbour Freight, or others described here, but what happens
> with those for whom this option is not affordable? Or more practically,
> what happens when there's no source of power? In places like Bangladesh
> (or Africa, where I spent seventeen years) there is either no reliable
> electricity or none at all.
>
> Now the QUESTION:  What about using the little inhalers, of the type
> used by asthmatics?  Or what about using little spray bottles, of the
> type used for CS topical applications?  I'm aware that small particle
> size is desireable for the CS, such as is made with HV, but would like
> to consider some appropriate technology nebulizers for some
> applications. I would imagine that there may be some change in the
> amount of CS breathed in or the frequency. What about this? Perhaps far
> lesser amounts, breathed at very frequent intervals? But now I'm getting
> ahead of my earlier questions.
> As usual, the responses are invaluable.
> Reid
>
>
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Re: CS>OT - bio terro question and Olive leaf extract

[Nick Grant]

Check out www.goodnews.net.nz

This Olive leaf is manufactured by East Park.  I tried it for candida, and it 
didn't do much admittedly, but when I feel a cold coming on, between that and 
CS, it just knocks it out!  This brand contains D-lenolate, which the others, 
as far as I am aware, do not.  It is the d-lenolate that makes it so effective.

Anyway, check out the website, as I know if you live in America, it is far 
cheaper than getting it here.

Good luck

Tracy

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  Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 17:30
  Subject: Re: CS>OT - bio terro question and Olive leaf extract


  Marshall,
   
  On the topic of olive leaf extract, do you have an opinion on what is the 
most potent type to use?As I have learned to be discriminating with 
colloidial silver products, is there some education that would help me decide 
which products to purchase?  And  as regards Grapeseed extract?   Are the 
liquid extracts generally the best choice over capsules?   Does anyone know of 
particularly pure, potent and bioavailable products to have on the shelf use in 
times of special needs.

  I'm just catching up on my emails,  ignore this message if this topic has 
been discussed.
   
  Thanks, Dee  

  -Original Message-
  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Date: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:24 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>OT - bio terro question
Why not use CS which is the most potent viruscide I know of, next to olive 
leaf extract. 
Marshall 

Re: CS>Environmental toxins and plastics...

[Nick Grant]

You find PVC in places where you wouldn't expect as well.  A lot of photo
albums contain PVC in the plastic and as it breaks down, it gives off
poisonous toxins.  I feel sorry for people who work in places that make
plastics, and are totally unaware of the chemical harm they are doing to
their bodies.

Tracy

- Original Message -
From: "wolfcreek1" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2001 15:29
Subject: Re: CS>Environmental toxins and plastics...


> Mike ~
>
> It is my understanding the PVC and/or plastic is just plain NOT acceptable
> ever.  I only intend to store my CS in glass and most likely amber glass.
>
> On all the holistic animal health discussion lists I'm on and according to
> our homeopathic vet, one is never to feed or water an animal in plastic,
> aluminium, or galvanized materials.  Same goes for humans.  The plastics
and
> PVC's leach out the materials they were made with, thereby contaminating
our
> liquids and foods.
>
> It used to be stainless steel and glass were the only things you could
cook
> with, now I understanding stainless leaches cooper and nickel when heated,
> which can lead to toxicity of these minerals.  As such, glass and/or
ceramic
> containers are the only ones you should cook in.
>
> I didn't exactly answer your question, but if it were me, I'd store
> everything in glass.  I dumped the couple hundred dollars worth of
> tupperware I bought years ago.  Don't store anything with alumininum foil
> either...
>
> I'm sure someone else can give you more definitive info.
>
> Happy Howling,
>
> Julie & Critters
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "M. G. Devour" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 11:11 AM
> Subject: CS>Environmental toxins and plastics...
>
>
> > Hi gang,
> >
> > This is a little OT, but I hope those of you who are familiar with
> > plastics and environmental toxin concerns can answer these questions I
> > was asked by a list member in private e-mail:
> >
> > If a plastic product is PVC free is this safer than plastics with PVC
> > and, if so, what is the difference between the two?
> >
> > This is about food storage - short term in pantry and refrigerator,
> > medium term and long term. The person needs to avoid all estrogen-like
> > products/toxins.
> >
> > Please reply to the list. Thanks for your help
> >
> > Be well,
> >
> > Mike D.
> >
> > [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
> > [mdev...@eskimo.com]
> > [Speaking only for myself...   ]
> >
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Re: CS>appropriate technology and nebulizers

[Tony Moody]

Reid,
You could use a vehicle wheel as a source of air pressure for the
nebuliser. This could be pressurised using a handpump. 

I can't think of a thirdworld way of getting oxygen pressure. However
if there is someone doing gas-welding nearby, they might have bottled
oxygen and could tell you of their source.

The heart of Brooks' nebuliser it is an Air Brush. The modifications,
as I remember them, are simply to the air connection to make it
suitable for using with oxygen.

I have tried using an ordinary spray bottle with CS. It is a fairly
fine spray but I had a bit of a gag/cough reflex when spraying into my
mouth and doing a sudden, big inbreath. I persevered and the lung
infection/pain in the upper chest went quite quickly, in two or three
days. BTW I make CS with a single 9v battery and tap water. It makes a
cup of CS in about 3 minutes. 

The inhaler could be OK if you could solve getting it open, cleaned,
filled with CS, and closed again. It is worth a go. The advantage of
course is that you can walk off with it and go about your daily
business, while giving yourself frequent treatments.
regards,
Tony



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RE: CS>silver supply

[Alex Torres M.D.]

Dear Kevin and all,
I can get 1000 grams (one kilo) for 500 dollars ( 50 cents per gram) from
Taxco Mexico directly from the silver mine.
This silver is 100% pure... no other metals added. The coins need to be
mixed in order to be handled and make it resistant. All this silver is in
"granalla" (I do not know the translation from Spanish to English), pure
completely.
You can buy less quantity... just think; 50 dollar cents each gram.
Alex Torres M.D.
P.S. With the sale of this, all profits will be used for our free
cancer-aids clinic... please visit our web page: www.cancer-alternatives.com
Thanks.
  -Original Message-
  From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:29 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS>silver supply


  Instead of bashing maple leaf dollars with hammer and anvil, why not just
visit your local jeweller. Mine quite happily obtained for me, at cost, fine
silver () 1mm thick plate, cut to whatever size I wanted, and nicely
finished with protective plastic film on both sides to boot. Two sheets
200mm X 40mm X1mm came to $106 AU (~ $53 US) for 80gm.

  regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au




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RE: CS>OT: ECONOM ICAL SUBSTITUTE FOR CIPRO

[Alex Torres M.D.]

And in Mexico, (Here in Mexicali border crossing) ciproxina (Same as
ciproflox) cost is 30 dollars box with 12 capsules 500 mg., enough for 6
days of treatment.
  -Original Message-
  From: brooks bradley [mailto:liat...@flash.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:56 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS>OT: ECONOM ICAL SUBSTITUTE FOR CIPRO


  We have just receivedwhat we regard as
reliable"information that plain Penicillin "G"..is 95% as effective as
Cipro for the early control of Anthrax.
  Cipro costs--in some casesover $250.00 for 250
ml.Penicillin  "G" costs about $11.50 for the same amountat your
local feed store.
  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.



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RE: CS>OT: ECONOM ICAL SUBSTITUTE FOR CIPRO

[Alex Torres M.D.]

Well said!
For a more concise info about anthrax please go to:
http://www.geocities.com/compu_dr/anthrax/anthrax.htm

Thank you

Alex Torres M.D.

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  From: brooks bradley [mailto:liat...@flash.net]
  Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 12:56 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: CS>OT: ECONOM ICAL SUBSTITUTE FOR CIPRO


  We have just receivedwhat we regard as
reliable"information that plain Penicillin "G"..is 95% as effective as
Cipro for the early control of Anthrax.
  Cipro costs--in some casesover $250.00 for 250
ml.Penicillin  "G" costs about $11.50 for the same amountat your
local feed store.
  Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.



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RE: CS>Re: Strep throat, now: Biopur CS

[Alex Torres M.D.]

Dear Reid and all,
We are selling Microdyn, really cheap and all the profits go to our free
clinic for Cancer and AIDS.
Please visit www.cancer-alternatives.com
and for info for Microdyn please visit (and please order some) direct link
to Microdyn :
http://www.geocities.com/compu_dr/cinco/more.htm#Microdyn%20english
Thanks for your time and help
Alex Torres M.D.
P.S. My email address changed, please send me email ordering to:
atorr...@desertzone.net


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From: Reid Harvey [mailto:ceram...@bol-online.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 7:00 PM
To: silver digest
Subject: CS>Re: Strep throat, now: Biopur CS


Julie,
Unfortunately I cannot tell you of a source for Biopur in the U.S.  Mine
was sent to me by a friend in Nicaragua.  The best I can tell you now
(somewhat feebly) is to search out someone who's going to Mexico and
have them buy some.  Another concentrated CS to look for there is
'Microdyn,' which is 3200ppm, double the concentration of Biopur. These
CSs should generally be available 'wherever chlorine bleach is sold,' in
the sources where this is sold to make water potable. Perhaps try
grocery stores.

On the other hand people on this list do seem to be talking about 500ppm
CS, available in the U.S.  Fortunately it now appears that there are
fewer people on the silver list who are so quick to condemn concentrated
CS, talking about the supposed impossibility of making it, or the
supposed agglomeration, etc. Perhaps those making concentrated CS will
now feel more free to chime in.

Is there, perhaps, someone on the list who may know where Biopur or
Microdyn can be located? Or the 500ppm CS?
Reid

Julie wrote:
Where'd you get this Biopur CS?  Glad your vacation turned out fabulous
and you didn't miss any sites.  PLUS, you converted your wife!  Sounds
like a straight A job to me!
Julie & Critters




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CS>More info on anthrax...

[Alex Torres M.D.]

http://www.geocities.com/compu_dr/anthrax/anthrax.htm
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Re: CS>Re: Strep throat, now: Biopur CS

[ROGALTMAN]

In a message dated 10/16/2001 11:10:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ceram...@bol-online.com writes:


> On the other hand people on this list do seem to be talking about 500ppm
> CS, available in the U.S.  Fortunately it now appears that there are
> fewer people on the silver list who are so quick to condemn concentrated
> CS, talking about the supposed impossibility of making it, or the
> supposed agglomeration, etc. Perhaps those making concentrated CS will
> now feel more free to chime in.
> 
> Is there, perhaps, someone on the list who may know where Biopur or
> Microdyn can be located? Or the 500ppm CS?
> Reid
> 

Reid: If I had a sample of "concentrated CS", I would want to use a laser 
pointer to see if it actually contains silver particulate. After all, why 
couldn't it be just diluted silver nitrate, or some other soluble silver 
salt? Roger 

CS>Re: anthrax

[AgsilveragSl]

i'm drinking a 12-ounce glass of 10 PPM CS daily to hopefully protect myself 
against anthrax or other bioterrorism agents.  Is this enough?  Should we be 
atomizing it and inhaling it?  Would that give us more protection?  thank you

Re: CS>appropriate technology and nebulizers

[M. G. Devour]

Synchronicity!!!

I've been reading about blacksmithing a lot lately. I've even begun to 
suffer anvil lust! 

Anyway, one of the standard features of the old-time forge was the 
bellows. It was more of a volume than pressure type pump, probably 
generating only a few psi, but with a bit of cleverness the basic idea 
can be applied to achieve higher pressure.

The thing is, the methods of construction of these devices was very
"appropriate." Wood for the basic structure, leather for hinges and
bellows skin, simple flap valves, nails. Substitute whatever you've 
got that will work and the design will still serve. Inner tube rubber 
comes to mind...

The two chambers bellows system also incorporates the essential
ingredient of air storage. The lower chamber drew air from the room
and, when the bellows was pumped, forced it into the upper chamber
which expanded with each stroke until the upper half of the bellows
reached its limits. A weight, often a rock or brick, on top of the 
upper bellows regulated the pressure at the outlet. The air flowed 
until the upper chamber had completely collapsed.

Even if you use an inexpensive tire pump, let it charge any kind of 
modest pressure vessel so that the patient or their assistant needn't 
pump constantly. An old LP gas tank, propane bottle, even an 
auto or truck tire on a rim, whatever, as long as it can hold a couple 
of atmospheres.

That may be the simplest answer of all. Let some air out of the 
neighbor's tires! 

Hope that helps, Reid.

Be well,

Mike D.

Brooks wrote:
>  ... he did experimentsuccessfullywith an ordinary
> "old-fashioned" automobile tire pump (hand-operated variety). He
> informs that it only requires a minimum effort/skill to generate a
> very acceptable volume/pressure from the pump. Although such would
> be seriously considered here in U.S. as an emergency measureit
> might offer real promise in many third-world scenarios. 

Reid wrote:
> > ... Personally I'm anxious to get a nebulizer like
> > the one from Harbour Freight, or others described here, but what happens
> > with those for whom this option is not affordable? Or more practically,
> > what happens when there's no source of power?

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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CS>Gatorade/CS Testers: Are You Alive and Well?

[ROGALTMAN]

Gatorade/CS Testers: Well, it has been over four months since Ole' Bob 
officially started sending out his CS Test Solution. So how's it going? Have 
you been  feverishly writing in your journals? My wife and I have recorded 
several ailment/treatment incidents. Velly velly interestink! So how about 
letting me know how many ailment/tratment situations you've recorded? That 
way, I can determine how much data we have now, and how much more we're 
likely to collect over the next few months. BTW, I consider this test as 
somewhat open ended (assuming Ole' Bob, bless him, doesn't get tired of 
preparing and sending out the test solution). So if there are some budding 
experimenters out there willing to offer up their bodies to science, please 
let me or Ole' Bob know, and we'll rush you two liters of Test Solution, as 
well as put you on our growing list of potential Nobel Prize nominees. Roger 

CS>A coupla PPM questions

[JudytheK]

It is clear that making CS on trips could be impractical -- because of
distilled water purity problems and just plain bulk.

1. Has anyone on this list actually tested the 200, 400, or even 3200
(purported) PPM silvers?
There are 2 oz bottles for sale on ebay right now @ $15 saying they're
200ppm.

2. Is it possible to make "regular" (10 ppm) CS and then re-distill it --
that is, concentrate it? What happens to it? Thanks, Judy Down Maine



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CS>New with lots of questions

[Mark Eckstine]

Ok.  I am as confused as all get out.  I found this list to help 
learn about CS.  How can I look at archived messages?  You all seem to 
know about CS and I need to start at the very beginning.  

Are there any web sites that can give me the basics.  Thank you so 
much.

 

--- Lora  Eckstine

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CS>Fw: CNN Breaking News

[Bill Missett]

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>
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>
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RE: CS Made for the 2nd Time

[Quietcove]

Hi Julie

You need a small fish tank air pump, some plastic
tubing and a bubble stone. All of it is available
at Wal-Mart for around $10.00. Yup, you would just be
using it to stir the CS, and it does a fine job.
Well worth the money for the improvement in
the quality of your CS. Have fun!

Gary

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From: wolfcreek1 [mailto:wolfcre...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:38 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time


> The only thing I would suggest is a fish tank bubble
> stone to continuously stir the water.

Hi Gary ~

I assume this fish tank bubble stone has it's own electrical cord and
essentially it's function is stirring up the CS or is it the oxygen it
produces?

I will look into this at my local pet store!

Thanks,

Julie & Critters


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Re: CS>OT - bio terro question and Olive leaf extract

[Marshall Dudley]

Nope, I just buy what is on sale.

Marshall

fedtoledo wrote:

>  Marshall, On the topic of olive leaf extract, do you have an opinion
> on what is the most potent type to use?As I have learned to be
> discriminating with colloidial silver products, is there some
> education that would help me decide which products to purchase?  And
> as regards Grapeseed extract?   Are the liquid extracts generally the
> best choice over capsules?   Does anyone know of particularly pure,
> potent and bioavailable products to have on the shelf use in times of
> special needs. I'm just catching up on my emails,  ignore this message
> if this topic has been discussed. Thanks, Dee -Original
> Message-
> From: Marshall Dudley 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Date: Monday, October 08, 2001 7:24 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>OT - bio terro question
>
>  Why not use CS which is the most potent viruscide I know of,
>  next to olive leaf extract.
>
>  Marshall
>
> >
>


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Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time

[Marshalee Hallett]

Dear Gary, I have never heated my water, or bubbled it, or stirred it, not
even filtered it for the last 6 years, and I`m still totally well.
Why bother?
Marshalee

> Hi Julie
>
> You need a small fish tank air pump, some plastic
> tubing and a bubble stone. All of it is available
> at Wal-Mart for around $10.00. Yup, you would just be
> using it to stir the CS, and it does a fine job.
> Well worth the money for the improvement in
> the quality of your CS. Have fun!
>
> Gary



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CS>CON-ditioned water?

[Kevin Nolan]

Here is a site worth wading through before plunging into a water 
structuring/conditioning device.
http://www.sfu.ca/aquascams/

regards, Kevin Nolan

Re: CS>silver supply

[Marshall Dudley]

That is extremely high.  Silver is about $4.40 an ounce and there are
about 30 gram in an ounce, so the present going price for silver is
about 15 cents an ounce.  A kilo, about 35 ounces should be only about
$150.

Marshall

"Alex Torres M.D." wrote:

> Dear Kevin and all,I can get 1000 grams (one kilo) for 500 dollars (
> 50 cents per gram) from Taxco Mexico directly from the silver
> mine.This silver is 100% pure... no other metals added. The coins need
> to be mixed in order to be handled and make it resistant. All this
> silver is in "granalla" (I do not know the translation from Spanish to
> English), pure completely.You can buy less quantity... just think; 50
> dollar cents each gram.Alex Torres M.D.P.S. With the sale of this, all
> profits will be used for our free cancer-aids clinic... please visit
> our web page: www.cancer-alternatives.com Thanks.
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
>  Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:29 AM
>  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>  Subject: CS>silver supply
>
>  Instead of bashing maple leaf dollars with hammer and anvil,
>  why not just visit your local jeweller. Mine quite happily
>  obtained for me, at cost, fine silver () 1mm thick
>  plate, cut to whatever size I wanted, and nicely finished
>  with protective plastic film on both sides to boot. Two
>  sheets 200mm X 40mm X1mm came to $106 AU (~ $53 US) for
>  80gm. regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au
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Re: CS>silver supply

[Marshall Dudley]

Sorry, that should have been 15 cents a gram.

Marshall

Marshall Dudley wrote:

> That is extremely high.  Silver is about $4.40 an ounce and there are
> about 30 gram in an ounce, so the present going price for silver is
> about 15 cents an ounce.  A kilo, about 35 ounces should be only about
> $150.
>
> Marshall
>
> "Alex Torres M.D." wrote:
>
> > Dear Kevin and all,I can get 1000 grams (one kilo) for 500 dollars (
> > 50 cents per gram) from Taxco Mexico directly from the silver
> > mine.This silver is 100% pure... no other metals added. The coins need
> > to be mixed in order to be handled and make it resistant. All this
> > silver is in "granalla" (I do not know the translation from Spanish to
> > English), pure completely.You can buy less quantity... just think; 50
> > dollar cents each gram.Alex Torres M.D.P.S. With the sale of this, all
> > profits will be used for our free cancer-aids clinic... please visit
> > our web page: www.cancer-alternatives.com Thanks.
> >
> >  -Original Message-
> >  From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
> >  Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:29 AM
> >  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >  Subject: CS>silver supply
> >
> >  Instead of bashing maple leaf dollars with hammer and anvil,
> >  why not just visit your local jeweller. Mine quite happily
> >  obtained for me, at cost, fine silver () 1mm thick
> >  plate, cut to whatever size I wanted, and nicely finished
> >  with protective plastic film on both sides to boot. Two
> >  sheets 200mm X 40mm X1mm came to $106 AU (~ $53 US) for
> >  80gm. regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au
> >  -
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> >
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CS>You'll have to excuse James...

[M. G. Devour]

Hi list people, and James!

You'll all have to forgive James. He's obviously catching up on a whole 
bunch of back e-mail and doesn't know we've laid the "oil quip" and 
"Dubious Devices" threads to rest! 

That points up again the usefulness of waiting until you're well caught 
up to post, particularly to an OT or possibly disruptive thread.

Be well,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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CS>RE: CNN Breaking News -- try BBC too

[JudytheK]

Thanks, Bill for CNN -- might like this as well -- 
Another viewpoint.  Judy Down Maine
http://news.bbc.co.uk/

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RE: CS Made for the 2nd Time

[Quietcove]

Hi Marshalee,

All CS is certainly effective, but stirring does
make for an obviously clearer CS with much lower
tyndal effect, and I am very sure, smaller particles.
It also will be more stable in storage because
there will be less agglomeration. As has been
noted many times on the list smaller particles
will be more useful against virus. It is such a simple
thing to do that I just can't see any reason not
to. Give it a try, I think you'll see a difference.

Gary

-Original Message-
From: Marshalee Hallett [mailto:liah...@utah-inter.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:11 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time


Dear Gary, I have never heated my water, or bubbled it, or stirred it, not
even filtered it for the last 6 years, and I`m still totally well.
Why bother?
Marshalee

> Hi Julie
>
> You need a small fish tank air pump, some plastic
> tubing and a bubble stone. All of it is available
> at Wal-Mart for around $10.00. Yup, you would just be
> using it to stir the CS, and it does a fine job.
> Well worth the money for the improvement in
> the quality of your CS. Have fun!
>
> Gary



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CS>Reuters.com - Germ Expert Says Panicky People Can Iron Mail - October 17, 2001

[email_from_a_friend]

Bill Missett (miss...@prodigy.net.mx) has sent you this article.

Personal message:
   At last, a sensible preventative!

Reuters.com - Germ Expert Says Panicky People Can Iron Mail
  
http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=humannews&StoryID=297117&fromEmail=true




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Re: CS & Dosing Animals

[Annhope1]

> < CS.  HHA recommends 1/2 tsp. for a large dog in a pint of water of their 500
> ppm CS.  I'm assuming there's a more direct way, i.e., syringing down the
> throat for more immediate intake and/or for animals that might not be
> consuming water.  How do you dose and how do you determine how much?  HHA
> also recommends changing the water daily.  If you administer your CS via
> waterers, do you change daily?  I'm thinking about the 30+ gallon waterers
> for goats, llamas, etc.>>

Julie,
I came on the list about 2 yrs ago looking for the treatment of cats with CS. 
 I started out with HHA CS but do not use it now and make my own CS with a 
Silvergen generator.  It works great for us and it makes approx. 10ppm CS.  I 
have, on numerous occasions, replaced the cats regular water with 10ppm CS.  
They don't seem to care if its water or CS.   I have also administered CS 
directly to the cat via dropper right in their mouth, letting them swallow 
it.  I did have one older cat recently who just didn't seem up to par. She 
was eating OK and her coat looks great but she was sleeping alot and not 
playing. I gave her a dropper full (from a 2oz bottle) for a few mornings in 
a row.  I noticed a difference in a few days, shes back to zipping around 
with the younger cats again and more sociable.
I sent a friend of mine some of my own CS who has a 10 yr. old dog with a 
large (grapefruit size) tumor in or around its pancreas. The vet  told her 
that the dogs life is short and will not intervene with any surgeries, meds, 
etc.  She started the dog on CS and within 2 days she says hes acting like a 
new dog?!   Not sure whats going on but will be interesting to follow. There 
are a few list members who have used CS on their farm animals.
Terri L.

Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time

[wolfcreek1]

Gary,

So if I'm using this in a glass with 2 cups of water, won't it make my
silver wires bounce around and hit one another and/or the sides of the
glass?  It's been a tough order to find a glass tall and wide enough for 5"
of the wire to fit without touching the sides or bottom of the container.
Help!

Julie & Critters
- Original Message -
From: "Quietcove" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:39 AM
Subject: RE: CS Made for the 2nd Time


>
> Hi Julie
>
> You need a small fish tank air pump, some plastic
> tubing and a bubble stone. All of it is available
> at Wal-Mart for around $10.00. Yup, you would just be
> using it to stir the CS, and it does a fine job.
> Well worth the money for the improvement in
> the quality of your CS. Have fun!
>
> Gary
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wolfcreek1 [mailto:wolfcre...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:38 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time
>
>
> > The only thing I would suggest is a fish tank bubble
> > stone to continuously stir the water.
>
> Hi Gary ~
>
> I assume this fish tank bubble stone has it's own electrical cord and
> essentially it's function is stirring up the CS or is it the oxygen it
> produces?
>
> I will look into this at my local pet store!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julie & Critters
>
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Re: CS>Re: Ear surgery on a child

[wolfcreek1]

Judith,

Ear surgery is happening frequently now.  I know 3 kids that have had this
done.  As a child, my GP was constantly prescribing amoxicillin for my ear
infections and it never helped.  I was/am a swimmer which didn't help
matters any.  My mom finally got smart and took me to an ear, nose, and
throat specialist and as you said, he advised I can't drink milk.  Quit
drinking milk at 13 and haven't had much of a problem since.  Then the
parasite cleanse made it so I can eat ice cream!!

I'm not a doctor and people think the doctors are always right...

Julie & Critters

> Dear Julie & Critters,
> You mention ear surgery in your letter...
>
> > Her 7 year old son is following in her footsteps tho, as he is always
ill
> > and has already had surgery on his ears for drainage purposes.
> >
> This is a case of wrongly treated allergy plus the antibiotic Amoxcillan
> [dubious spelling...].  The child needs to stop consuming milk and wheat
and
> ear problems disappear.  The child is allergic to both foods.
>
> Do ask about the kind of antibiotic given - I've known several who tell me
> how bad their child's ears were - I ask the name of antibiotic given -
> always Amoxcillan.  I read about this in a book I borrowed from the
library
> years ago - written by an MD.  Book's name and author's name escapes me -
> but the information stuck!
>
> Regards,
> Judith.



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Re: CS>Gatorade/CS Testers: Are You Alive and Well?

[ROGALTMAN]

In a message dated 10/17/2001 10:57:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
kia...@yahoo.com writes:


> Subj:Re: CS>Gatorade/CS Testers: Are You Alive and Well?
> Date:10/17/2001 10:57:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:kia...@yahoo.com (K Hammon)
> Reply-to: mailto:kia...@yahoo.com";>kia...@yahoo.com
> To:rogalt...@aol.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I'm fairly new to the list (several weeks or so) but I think my dh and 
> I would be interested in participating.  What exactly is involved?
> Thanks,
> Kim Hammon


Kim: I hope you don't mind if I respond to the List and not to you personally 
since your question has come up several times. The purpose of our test is to 
determine if pure ionic "CS" (Ole' Bob has prepared a special CS Test 
Solution to be 100% ionic and Frank Key volunteered to verify -- using his 
supercentrifuge -- that there is no silver particulate present) has 
germicidal activity IN THE BLOODSTREAM. The second objective is to determine 
if mixing CS with an easily absorbable fluid, such as Gatorade, enhances the 
effectiveness of the CS Test Solution. Keep in mind that roughly half of our 
participants will receive a placebo. So only those who have been using CS for 
non-life threatening illnesses should consider participating. In addition, 
those who have been successful using CS for a chronic ailment should think 
twice before requesting the CS Test Solution, which, by the way, is sent to 
you free of charge since we received enough sponsorship funds from several 
generous people to include quite a few participants. Roger

Re: CS>Re: Biopur CS

[wolfcreek1]

> Is there, perhaps, someone on the list who may know where Biopur or
> Microdyn can be located? Or the 500ppm CS?
> Reid

Reid ~

I get 500 ppm CS from Herbal Healer Academy.  Wholesale cost is $19.47 for 4
oz., $36.25 for 8 oz., $131.00 for 32 oz.  After listening to a tape with
regards to CS and researching somewhat, I have the preconceived notion that
the higher PPM's the more concentrated and effective the CS is.  Cancer
patients are advised to take only 1/2 tsp. 3 times/day mixed with the liquid
of their choice.  HHA states that their CS is pharmaceutical grade.  It is
yellow/amber and thus far has worked great for us in small quantity.

Julie & Critters


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Re: CS>Re: Strep throat, now: Biopur CS

[wolfcreek1]

Reid ~

We are less than 2 hours from Rosarito, Baja, CA.  Very possibly we can find
Microdyn there?  We just went 2 months ago, but this would be good reason to
go again.

Julie & Critters

> Julie,
> Unfortunately I cannot tell you of a source for Biopur in the U.S.  Mine
> was sent to me by a friend in Nicaragua.  The best I can tell you now
> (somewhat feebly) is to search out someone who's going to Mexico and
> have them buy some.  Another concentrated CS to look for there is
> 'Microdyn,' which is 3200ppm, double the concentration of Biopur. These
> CSs should generally be available 'wherever chlorine bleach is sold,' in
> the sources where this is sold to make water potable. Perhaps try
> grocery stores.



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RE: CS Made for the 2nd Time

[Quietcove]

Hi Julie,

Mason Jars and Pickle jars work great too. I use a
4 x 4" piece of 1/4" plywood with 3 holes drilled
in the top to hold the wires straight and allow 
for the air hose. If you can't make one yourself, 
email me.

Gary
-Original Message-
From: wolfcreek1 [mailto:wolfcre...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:21 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time


Gary,

So if I'm using this in a glass with 2 cups of water, won't it make my
silver wires bounce around and hit one another and/or the sides of the
glass?  It's been a tough order to find a glass tall and wide enough for 5"
of the wire to fit without touching the sides or bottom of the container.
Help!

Julie & Critters
- Original Message -
From: "Quietcove" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:39 AM
Subject: RE: CS Made for the 2nd Time


>
> Hi Julie
>
> You need a small fish tank air pump, some plastic
> tubing and a bubble stone. All of it is available
> at Wal-Mart for around $10.00. Yup, you would just be
> using it to stir the CS, and it does a fine job.
> Well worth the money for the improvement in
> the quality of your CS. Have fun!
>
> Gary
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wolfcreek1 [mailto:wolfcre...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:38 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time
>
>
> > The only thing I would suggest is a fish tank bubble
> > stone to continuously stir the water.
>
> Hi Gary ~
>
> I assume this fish tank bubble stone has it's own electrical cord and
> essentially it's function is stirring up the CS or is it the oxygen it
> produces?
>
> I will look into this at my local pet store!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julie & Critters
>
>
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RE: CS Made for the 2nd Time

[JudytheK]

Julie -- it doesn't bounce because it's a gentle little bubbler --  like in
a fish tank.

Judy Down Maine

-Original Message-
From: Quietcove [mailto:quiet...@midcoast.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:51 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS Made for the 2nd Time



Hi Julie,

Mason Jars and Pickle jars work great too. I use a
4 x 4" piece of 1/4" plywood with 3 holes drilled
in the top to hold the wires straight and allow
for the air hose. If you can't make one yourself,
email me.

Gary
-Original Message-
From: wolfcreek1 [mailto:wolfcre...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:21 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time


Gary,

So if I'm using this in a glass with 2 cups of water, won't it make my
silver wires bounce around and hit one another and/or the sides of the
glass?  It's been a tough order to find a glass tall and wide enough for 5"
of the wire to fit without touching the sides or bottom of the container.
Help!

Julie & Critters
- Original Message -
From: "Quietcove" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:39 AM
Subject: RE: CS Made for the 2nd Time


>
> Hi Julie
>
> You need a small fish tank air pump, some plastic
> tubing and a bubble stone. All of it is available
> at Wal-Mart for around $10.00. Yup, you would just be
> using it to stir the CS, and it does a fine job.
> Well worth the money for the improvement in
> the quality of your CS. Have fun!
>
> Gary
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wolfcreek1 [mailto:wolfcre...@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:38 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time
>
>
> > The only thing I would suggest is a fish tank bubble
> > stone to continuously stir the water.
>
> Hi Gary ~
>
> I assume this fish tank bubble stone has it's own electrical cord and
> essentially it's function is stirring up the CS or is it the oxygen it
> produces?
>
> I will look into this at my local pet store!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Julie & Critters
>
>
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Re: CS>Re: Ear surgery on a child

[ROGALTMAN]

In a message dated 10/17/2001 11:41:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
wolfcre...@earthlink.net writes:


> Subj:Re: CS>Re: Ear surgery on a child
> Date:10/17/2001 11:41:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time
> From:wolfcre...@earthlink.net (wolfcreek1)
> Reply-to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com";>silver-list@eskimo.com
> To:silver-list@eskimo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Judith,
> 
> Ear surgery is happening frequently now.  I know 3 kids that have had this
> done.  As a child, my GP was constantly prescribing amoxicillin for my ear
> infections and it never helped.  I was/am a swimmer which didn't help
> matters any.  My mom finally got smart and took me to an ear, nose, and
> throat specialist and as you said, he advised I can't drink milk.  Quit
> drinking milk at 13 and haven't had much of a problem since.  Then the
> parasite cleanse made it so I can eat ice cream!!
> 
> I'm not a doctor and people think the doctors are always right...
> 
> Julie & Critters
> 

Julie: I'm a swimmer as well, and have had good luck making sure there was no 
"bubble" of water trapped in my ear after a swim by hopping on one leg, or 
whatever. Mixing a little CS with Swimmer's Ear should help as well. Roger 

RE: CS>Re: Biopur CS

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Jive.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: wolfcreek1 [mailto:wolfcre...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 9:30 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Re: Biopur CS

> Is there, perhaps, someone on the list who may know where Biopur or
> Microdyn can be located? Or the 500ppm CS?
> Reid

Reid ~

I get 500 ppm CS from Herbal Healer Academy.  Wholesale cost is $19.47 for 4
oz., $36.25 for 8 oz., $131.00 for 32 oz.  After listening to a tape with
regards to CS and researching somewhat, I have the preconceived notion that
the higher PPM's the more concentrated and effective the CS is.  Cancer
patients are advised to take only 1/2 tsp. 3 times/day mixed with the liquid
of their choice.  HHA states that their CS is pharmaceutical grade.  It is
yellow/amber and thus far has worked great for us in small quantity.

Julie & Critters


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Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time

[Kehoe]

Use a quart mason jar.  If you take a block of wood about an inch thick with
tiny holes drilled in to insert the wires through, it will keep them from
"bouncing" around.

CK
- Original Message -
From: "wolfcreek1" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time


| Gary,
|
| So if I'm using this in a glass with 2 cups of water, won't it make my
| silver wires bounce around and hit one another and/or the sides of the
| glass?  It's been a tough order to find a glass tall and wide enough for
5"
| of the wire to fit without touching the sides or bottom of the container.
| Help!
|
| Julie & Critters
| - Original Message -
| From: "Quietcove" 
| To: 
| Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:39 AM
| Subject: RE: CS Made for the 2nd Time
|
|
| >
| > Hi Julie
| >
| > You need a small fish tank air pump, some plastic
| > tubing and a bubble stone. All of it is available
| > at Wal-Mart for around $10.00. Yup, you would just be
| > using it to stir the CS, and it does a fine job.
| > Well worth the money for the improvement in
| > the quality of your CS. Have fun!
| >
| > Gary
| >
| > -Original Message-
| > From: wolfcreek1 [mailto:wolfcre...@earthlink.net]
| > Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:38 PM
| > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
| > Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time
| >
| >
| > > The only thing I would suggest is a fish tank bubble
| > > stone to continuously stir the water.
| >
| > Hi Gary ~
| >
| > I assume this fish tank bubble stone has it's own electrical cord and
| > essentially it's function is stirring up the CS or is it the oxygen it
| > produces?
| >
| > I will look into this at my local pet store!
| >
| > Thanks,
| >
| > Julie & Critters
| >
| >
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CS>Anthrax reference.

[boberger]

Will the person who listed a 1950 book as being a reference source for
silver in treating anthrax please
email the data.

"Ole Bob"


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Re: CS>appropriate technology and nebulizers

[tbass]

CS Gang,

As a source of air pressure for a nebulizer, what about one of the
fish tank aerators?  They come in different volumes, run about
4 PSI pressure and cost around 8 bux. No oil mist, quiet, run
forever, and readily available.
Comments...?
Tom Bassett
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RE: CS>Damian's Dubious Devices

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

In actuality, radio was first demonstrated by an American dentist; Mahlon
Loomis in about 1864. Tesla was about 8 years old.  Mahlon communicated
between two mountaintops using kites to loft the antenna.  This was before
either Tesla or Marconi came up with the stuff.  By the way, it appears that
Marconi ripped off Tesla.

Source: Paramagnetism, Philip S. Callahan, Ph.D. Acres U.S.A. 1995, Page 52.
Quoting a book by  Otis B. Young, "Mahlon Loomis, the Discoverer and
Inventor of Radio.  It used no batteries, and depended on Schumann waves for
power.

I offer this way-off-topic tidbit only to demonstrate that a great deal of
what we have been fed as fact is in fact completely wrong.  Much more of our
fundamental medical, political, and historical beliefs are equally rubbish.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: JudytheK [mailto:apea...@midcoast.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:59 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Damian's Dubious Devices

Wasn't that Yankee Doodle, the patriot who fought the Lobsterbacks when they
came over on the Acheson, Topeka and the Santa Fe?  Judy Down Maine

Ugh, uh...that was that Italian guy Macaroni, before he invented111
pasta.

Jim Wright


Art Bell did not invent the telephone to talk to spirits.  He invented
radio.

James-Osbourne: Holmes
Well, before you get beat to death for a simple mistake why not just
correct it and say A. Bell instead.

Good Lord what have I gotten myself in to now?.
>
>Bill Missett wrote:
>
> > FYI,
> > When Edison invented the telephone, he was actually attempting to
=> > construct a device to talk to the "dead."  Honest injun!!
>>Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, not the telephone.
>>Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone.
>>Hopefully your science is better than your history.
>
>
>
>frank key
>
>


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RE: CS>Damian's Dubious Devices

[Jim Wright (Lists)]

That may be "true," but it not near as much fun as the humorous stuff.

Jim Wright

-Original Message-
From: James Osbourne, Holmes [mailto:a...@cybermesa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:46 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Damian's Dubious Devices


In actuality, radio was first demonstrated by an American dentist;
Mahlon
Loomis in about 1864. Tesla was about 8 years old.  Mahlon
communicated
between two mountaintops using kites to loft the antenna.  This was
before
either Tesla or Marconi came up with the stuff.  By the way, it
appears that
Marconi ripped off Tesla.

Source: Paramagnetism, Philip S. Callahan, Ph.D. Acres U.S.A. 1995,
Page 52.
Quoting a book by  Otis B. Young, "Mahlon Loomis, the Discoverer and
Inventor of Radio.  It used no batteries, and depended on Schumann
waves for
power.

I offer this way-off-topic tidbit only to demonstrate that a great
deal of
what we have been fed as fact is in fact completely wrong.  Much more
of our
fundamental medical, political, and historical beliefs are equally
rubbish.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: JudytheK [mailto:apea...@midcoast.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 5:59 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Damian's Dubious Devices

Wasn't that Yankee Doodle, the patriot who fought the Lobsterbacks
when they
came over on the Acheson, Topeka and the Santa Fe?  Judy Down Maine

Ugh, uh...that was that Italian guy Macaroni, before he invented111
pasta.

Jim Wright


Art Bell did not invent the telephone to talk to spirits.  He invented
radio.

James-Osbourne: Holmes
Well, before you get beat to death for a simple mistake why not just
correct it and say A. Bell instead.

Good Lord what have I gotten myself in to now?.
>
>Bill Missett wrote:
>
> > FYI,
> > When Edison invented the telephone, he was actually attempting to
=> > construct a device to talk to the "dead."  Honest injun!!
>>Thomas Edison invented the light bulb, not the telephone.
>>Alexander Graham Bell invented the telephone.
>>Hopefully your science is better than your history.
>
>
>
>frank key
>
>


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RE: CS>oil quip

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

The word "Canola" was made up by the rapeseed industry as a more palatable
name for the oil of the rapeseed seed.; a contraction of  "canadian oil".
It is an industrial oil.  Most of it is genetically engineered.  Many
consider it highly poisonous.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube2...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 8:19 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>oil quip

Canola oil comes from the canola plantwe grow it here in Ohio...plant
with yellow blossomsRobb


>From: "Christiane Osowiecki" 
>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>To: 
>Subject: CS>oil quip
>Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:06:39 -0700
>
>Chuck quipped.
>If olive oil comes from olives, and peanut oil comes from peanuts, where
>does
>baby oil come from?
>
>
>
>The scarier thought is where does canola oil come from???  Not to start an
>off-topic tangent, but look into ityou won't like what you
>find.
>
>


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RE: CS>silver supply

[Alex Torres M.D.]

Marshall,
You are right!
I forgot to translate dollars for pesos (Mexican peso), One kilo=150.00
DOLLARS
Alex Torres M.D.

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:22 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>silver supply


Sorry, that should have been 15 cents a gram.

Marshall

Marshall Dudley wrote:

> That is extremely high.  Silver is about $4.40 an ounce and there are
> about 30 gram in an ounce, so the present going price for silver is
> about 15 cents an ounce.  A kilo, about 35 ounces should be only about
> $150.
>
> Marshall
>
> "Alex Torres M.D." wrote:
>
> > Dear Kevin and all,I can get 1000 grams (one kilo) for 500 dollars (
> > 50 cents per gram) from Taxco Mexico directly from the silver
> > mine.This silver is 100% pure... no other metals added. The coins need
> > to be mixed in order to be handled and make it resistant. All this
> > silver is in "granalla" (I do not know the translation from Spanish to
> > English), pure completely.You can buy less quantity... just think; 50
> > dollar cents each gram.Alex Torres M.D.P.S. With the sale of this, all
> > profits will be used for our free cancer-aids clinic... please visit
> > our web page: www.cancer-alternatives.com Thanks.
> >
> >  -Original Message-
> >  From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
> >  Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:29 AM
> >  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >  Subject: CS>silver supply
> >
> >  Instead of bashing maple leaf dollars with hammer and anvil,
> >  why not just visit your local jeweller. Mine quite happily
> >  obtained for me, at cost, fine silver () 1mm thick
> >  plate, cut to whatever size I wanted, and nicely finished
> >  with protective plastic film on both sides to boot. Two
> >  sheets 200mm X 40mm X1mm came to $106 AU (~ $53 US) for
> >  80gm. regards, Kevin Nolan ken...@optusnet.com.au
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RE: CS>microwaves [scared yet?]

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Hertel found that bioluminescent bacteria glowed more when fed microwave
heated food.  Check with the Radionics folks.  Water stores vibrations of
subtitle energies and can transmit them to living cells.  Hertel's tests
showed a higher probability of CA w/ MW food consumption.   Was sued by
appliance manufacturers and prevailed.  A recent post  here discusses his
findings.  The entire case used to be available somewhere on the matrix...

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net]
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 11:44 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>microwaves [scared yet?]


At 09:03 PM 10/12/01 -0400, you wrote:
>This article is on-topic to the degree that folks use
>microwaves making CS.
###  It's also about on par with the FDAs attempts to scare you about CS by
comparing electro colloids to compounds at doses high enough to make silver
bullets out of.
 HEADLINE "One gram of silver injected at 3000 ft per second reveals
evidence of tissue damage." Experts say, "Silver can be deadly".
 Silver metal + high velocity can be hazardous to the health of...
werewolves and other living beings? [But doesn't hurt dead ones at all]

 The term "radiomissor" turns up on a Google search on 33 websites in
VERBATIM repeat context with no source for the term other than those
websites...indicating that the term was 'made up' or at least captured from
modern common language and held ransom. Unsubstantiated scare DOGMA is here
to stay.

 Don'tcha just love it when people try to scare you by juggling fruit?
[apples and oranges]
 No one makes CS with a microwave...they just warm the water by exciting
the molecules.  A flame does the same thing in a different way. Water is an
H2O molecule.  If it gets disrupted, it goes to hydrogen and oxygen gas.
That's about all it CAN do.  Electro colloidal silver making makes hydrogen
and oxygen gas. It 'disrupts' the water.
 If a microwave somehow dis-organizes water [unstructures it's liquid
crystal orientation...if water even has one], wouldn't applying a DC
current re-organize it to whatever orientation that it would have have
afterwards anyway?
 What does applying an AC current do?
 Energy dissipates.

[taken with a boulder of salt]
Sodium is a poisonous metal. [swallow enough and you'll actually explode
before it poisons you]
Chlorine will kill you fast.[Good bio war agent]
...means...
Salt is a deadly poison.

...read on and discriminate.
Ken
>

>
>
>Radiation Ovens - The Proven Dangers Of Microwave
>Ovens
>
>By Anthony Wayne and Lawrence Newell  6-14-00
>http://numismaticrareuscoin.com/nbn/microwave.html
>
>INDUSTRY'S ACTION TO HIDE THE TRUTH
>As soon as Doctors Hertel and Blanc published their
>results, the authorities reacted. A powerful trade
>organization, the Swiss Association of Dealers for
>Electro-apparatuses for Households and Industry, known
>as FEA, struck swiftly in 1992. They forced the
>President of the Court of Seftigen, Canton of Bern, to
>issue a "gag order" against Drs. Hertel and Blanc. In
>March 1993, Dr. Hertel was convicted for "interfering
>with commerce" and prohibited from further publishing
>his results. However, Dr. Hertel stood his ground and
>fought this decision over the years.
>
>Not long ago, this decision was reversed in a judgment
>delivered in Strasbourg, Austria, on August 25, 1998.
>The European Court of Human Rights held that there had
>been a violation of Hertel's rights in the 1993
>decision. The European Court of Human Rights also
>ruled that the "gag order" issued by the Swiss court
>in 1992 against Dr. Hertel, prohibiting him from
>declaring that microwave ovens are dangerous to human
>health, was contrary to the right to freedom of
>expression. In addition, Switzerland was ordered to
>pay Dr. Hertel compensation.
###  Note that the withdrawal of the gag order had nothing to do with the
accuracy of his statements. Not that his statements contained no accurate
info...but looking at the rest of this article suggests that they might not
have been all that accurate or he mixed his contexts as badly as this
article does.
>
>WHO INVENTED MICROWAVE OVENS?
>The Nazis, for use in their mobile support operations,
>originally developed microwave "radiomissor" cooking
>ovens to be used for the invasion of Russia. By being
>able to utilize electronic equipment for preparation
>of meals on a mass scale, the logistical problem of
>cooking fuels would have been eliminated, as well as
>the convenience of producing edible products in a
>greatly reduced time-factor.
###  This is most likely erronious non factual BS.  The Nazis had primitive
radar in WW2 but to use that new and expensive tech on mere cooking when it
is drastically needed for destruction/defense and a simple flame does the
cooking job very cheaply and without electrical generators [that use
petroleum..which the Nazis were VERY short on]... is preposterous. Can you
even imagine lugging all that equipment around and ru

RE: CS>oil quip

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Re: Canola Oil

"Most of
what we grow on our farm is used for alternative diesel fuel.

That sounds like an excellent use for it.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube2...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2001 11:14 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>oil quip

I have looked in to this a little bitthe Canola that we grow here is
NOT the same as rape seed...it is related however.Canola is a
hybrid plant.  I am not defending canola oil in any wayjust don't want
anyone to be mislead by propaganda.  To say that insects will not eat it is
also a lie {as far as canola is concerned}.  We must use certain precautions
against insects with our canola crop.  I'm no expert as to the effects of
ingestiin canola oil...I am however an expert at growing canola.  Most of
what we grow on our farm is used for alternitive diesel fuel.  The canola
plant is NOT deadly poisonous...PERIOD...Robb


>From: Marshall Dudley 
>Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS>oil quip
>Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:10:48 -0400
>
>(* taken from FATS THAT HEAL AND FATS THAT KILL by Udo Erasmus.)
>I read about a man who  bred birds, always checking labels to insure there
>was
>no rape seed in their food. He said, "The birds will eat it, but they do
>not
>live very long." A friend, who worked for only 9 mo. as a quality control
>taster
>at an apple-chip factory where Canola oil was used exclusively for frying,
>developed numerous health problems.
>
>Marshall
>
>Marshalee Hallett wrote:
>
> > > Probably no one unless they plan on eating the seeds or using the oil
>from
> > the
> > > seeds.  The seeds of rape plant are quite toxic.
> > >
> > > Marshall
> >
> > They are? Then why are they in the seed mix I feed my canaries and
>finches??
> > Marshalee
> >
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Re: CS>Gatorade/CS Testers: Are You Alive and Well?

[K Hammon]

Well, we're currently taking homemade CS, but not for any ailment 
in particular, just for promoting good health.  So I don't know if 
that's the type of volunteers you're looking for?

Kim

> 
> Kim: I hope you don't mind if I respond to the List and not to you
> personally since your question has come up several times. The purpose
> of our test is to determine if pure ionic "CS" (Ole' Bob has prepared
> a special CS Test Solution to be 100% ionic and Frank Key volunteered
> to verify -- using his supercentrifuge -- that there is no silver
> particulate present) has germicidal activity IN THE BLOODSTREAM. The
> second objective is to determine if mixing CS with an easily
> absorbable fluid, such as Gatorade, enhances the effectiveness of the
> CS Test Solution. Keep in mind that roughly half of our participants
> will receive a placebo. So only those who have been using CS for
> non-life threatening illnesses should consider participating. In
> addition, those who have been successful using CS for a chronic
> ailment should think twice before requesting the CS Test Solution,
> which, by the way, is sent to you free of charge since we received
> enough sponsorship funds from several generous people to include quite
> a few participants. Roger
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS & cancer

[Mitch & Joy]

Thanks Terry for the info - wouldn't that be great if it would be successful
with ALL cancers, take care,

Kathy

-Original Message-
From: Terry Chamberlin 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 11:34 PM
Subject: CS & cancer


>> Does anyone know if CS is effective against
>> cancers?  If so, how does it work against the
>> cancer.  How much is ingested, etc.
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Kathy
>
>Kathy,
>I have two doctor-confirmed cancer remissions among my
>clients. The first was a woman who had cancer of the
>tongue. Her husband called me to see if I had any
>suggestions, because the doctor wanted to operate as
>soon as possible. "Don't worry, I'll remove as little
>of your tongue as possible", the doctor said.
>
>The woman made her living as a counselor. How much of
>your tongue can a person afford to lose and still be
>understandable?
>
>I had her post-pone the surgery for 2 weeks (actually,
>I wanted 2 months, but the doctor told her she would
>lose all of her tongue if she waited too long).
>
>I told her to take one ounce of CS 3Xday, hold it in
>her mouth for 5 minutes (timing by the clock, not
>estimating), and then swallow it.
>
>After 2 weeks, she went in for her surgery, and the
>doctor couldn't even find enough cancer to do a
>biopsy!
>
>The second client was a man who had been given 6
>months to live. The doctors said his whole body was so
>full of cancer, there was no reason to do any kind of
>treatment - radiation, chemo, or surgery ("We'd have
>to fillet you like a fish", they said).
>
>By taking large amounts of shark cartiledge, vit C, E,
>etc., he lived a year past his expiration date, but he
>was not doing well.
>
>One day he came into the pharmacy where my office is,
>and I took one look at him (Death warmed-over, but not
>too warm) and gave him a bottle of CS. He said,
>"What's this?" I started telling him about some of my
>other clients, and how CS had gotten rid of my
>daughter's warts. He said, "Oh, I've got a big planter
>wart on the bottom of my foot. Do you think it would
>get rid of that?" I said I imagined it would. He said,
>"Yeah, it's right next to the 3 big, black cancer
>tumors the doctor wants to remove from my foot."
>
>I told him to put some CS in a pie pan and soak his
>foot in it all evening while he was watching TV. The
>next day, he called me and said, "Hey! My wart has
>shrunk 25%, and one of the tumors has disappeared from
>my foot!" I didn't believe him (people are so
>excitable).
>
>Well, he went nuts. He bought a CS-maker from me
>(12-volt DC adapter and 2 silver wires. He didn't even
>use DW, just tap water). He started drinking it like a
>fish, I don't know how much, but it was ALOT!
>
>I didn't see him for 2 months, and one day he came
>into the pharmacy again. "Hey! How are you doing?" I
>asked him. He said, "I just was in to the Oncologist
>two days ago, and they did a full CAT scan on me. They
>said it APPEARS there is no cancer in my body."
>
>I asked him to please get copies of the
>before-and-after CAT scans. I didn't see him for a few
>weeks again, and when I saw him again, I asked him if
>he had gotten those scan copies. "I can't", he said,
>"The doctor won't have anything to do with me. He
>won't come on the phone or return my calls. I've
>called him a dozen times."
>
>I said these two reports were doctor-confirmed, I
>didn't say they knew what they were confirming them!
>
>Terry Chamberlin
>Metabolic Solutions Institute
>RR1  314 Carleton Rd
>Lawrencetown, NS B0S 1M0
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>
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Re: CS>oil quip

[Marshall Dudley]

Actually it stands for "Canadian Oil Low Acid".

Marshall

"James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote:

> The word "Canola" was made up by the rapeseed industry as a more palatable
> name for the oil of the rapeseed seed.; a contraction of  "canadian oil".
> It is an industrial oil.  Most of it is genetically engineered.  Many
> consider it highly poisonous.
>
> James-Osbourne: Holmes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube2...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 8:19 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>oil quip
>
> Canola oil comes from the canola plantwe grow it here in Ohio...plant
> with yellow blossomsRobb
>
> >From: "Christiane Osowiecki" 
> >Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >To: 
> >Subject: CS>oil quip
> >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:06:39 -0700
> >
> >Chuck quipped.
> >If olive oil comes from olives, and peanut oil comes from peanuts, where
> >does
> >baby oil come from?
> >
> >
> >
> >The scarier thought is where does canola oil come from???  Not to start an
> >off-topic tangent, but look into ityou won't like what you
> >find.
> >
> >
>
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CS>Background Anthrax spore levels

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Does anyone know what the normal anthrax background presence is?

Could it be that we will all test positive for the spores most of the time?
I believe that to be true for many pathogens; inoculation is only one small
part of the total disease process.

What is the reliability of the test(s), i.e. what percentage of false
positives?

How often do the tests fail to show significant amounts present?

Without the above information it is difficult to interpret the news reports.
Curious that this information is not being offered, at least not along with
headline stories.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

CS>What to do if you receive an anthrax threat

[wolfcreek1]

This info is put out by the USPS advising what to do in the event you
receive an anthrax threat by mail:

http://www.usps.com/news/2001/press/pr01_1010tips.htm

Happy Howling,

Julie & Critters
Wolf Creek Ranch
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Home of Whispering Winds Wholistic Animal Sanctuary
"The person who says it cannot be done, should not interrupt the person
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Re: CS>New with lots of questions

[Christiane Osowiecki]

Lora,
Welcome!!  You can click here to check out the archives : 
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html

Please try not to be overwhelmed.  Yes, there is alot of very technical info 
here on the list, but we are all willing to answer your very basic questions, 
as well.  All you have to do is ask them! ~:-}  We were all beginners once, and 
we remember (some of us better than others ) how overwhelming it was 
getting started.  Please don't hesitate to ask your questions..they are 
welcome here, that is what we are here for.

Are you interested in making your own, or are you interested in simply knowing 
how to use it???

Ask away

And again, WELCOME! ~:-}
Christiane

  - Original Message - 
  From: Mark Eckstine 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 6:28 AM
  Subject: CS>New with lots of questions



  Ok.  I am as confused as all get out.  I found this list to help learn about 
CS.  How can I look at archived messages?  You all seem to know about CS and I 
need to start at the very beginning.  
  Are there any web sites that can give me the basics.  Thank you so much.

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Re: CS>appropriate technology and nebulizers

[George Martin]

I've had very good results using a foot pump originally intended to
inflate an airbed.  Two persons make it easy and only a bit more
difficult with a single person.  I just syncronized inhalations with
the pumping motion.

Regards,
George Martin


On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:05:16 -0500, brooks bradley wrote:

=>Dear Reid,
=>It was one of our staff members who designed the
'originaL'' device
=>using the little Harbor Freight airbrush.
=>Although I never posted the informationhe did
=>experimentsuccessfullywith an ordinary "old-fashioned"
automobile
=>tire pump (hand-operated variety).   He  informs that it only
requires a
=>minimum effort/skill to generate a very acceptable volume/pressure
from the
=>pump.
=>Although such would be  seriously considered here in U.S.
as an
=>emergency measureit might offer real promise in many
third-world
=>scenarios.
=>Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley
=>
=>- Original Message -
=>From: "Reid Harvey" 
=>To: "silver digest" 
=>Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 9:50 PM
=>Subject: CS>appropriate technology and nebulizers
=>
=>
=>> CS Friends and Lovers,
=>> I feel a bit apologetic for a posting like this one, but on the
other
=>> hand feel that it's important.  It's a lot like the various
messages
=>> I've written concerning the urgent need for inexpensive CS, made
from
=>> the concentrated form. Personally I'm anxious to get a nebulizer
like
=>> the one from Harbour Freight, or others described here, but what
happens
=>> with those for whom this option is not affordable? Or more
practically,
=>> what happens when there's no source of power? In places like
Bangladesh
=>> (or Africa, where I spent seventeen years) there is either no
reliable
=>> electricity or none at all.
=>>
=>> Now the QUESTION:  What about using the little inhalers, of the
type
=>> used by asthmatics?  Or what about using little spray bottles,
of the
=>> type used for CS topical applications?  I'm aware that small
particle
=>> size is desireable for the CS, such as is made with HV, but
would like
=>> to consider some appropriate technology nebulizers for some
=>> applications. I would imagine that there may be some change in
the
=>> amount of CS breathed in or the frequency. What about this?
Perhaps far
=>> lesser amounts, breathed at very frequent intervals? But now I'm
getting
=>> ahead of my earlier questions.
=>> As usual, the responses are invaluable.
=>> Reid
=>>
=>>
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=>

RE: CS>silver supply

[George Martin]

A one ounce bullion bar can be had today for less than US$4.50 and
contains approximately 31 grams of silver.  That works out to a mere
$ 0.15 / gram.  One bar would likely last a lifetime.   I have a
bullion coin that was purchased uncirculated.  I have produced an
estimated 150 gallons of 15ppm CS using this coin and can detect no
indication of wear under 50x magnification...

Regards,
George Martin

On Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:47:48 -0700, Alex Torres M.D. wrote:

=>You can buy less quantity... just think; 50 dollar cents each
gram.
=>Alex Torres M.D.
=>P.S. With the sale of this, all profits will be used for our free
=>cancer-aids clinic... please visit our web page:
www.cancer-alternatives.com
=>Thanks.
=>  -Original Message-
=>  From: Kevin Nolan [mailto:ken...@optusnet.com.au]
=>  Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 6:29 AM
=>  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
=>  Subject: CS>silver supply
=>
=>
=>  Instead of bashing maple leaf dollars with hammer and anvil, why
not just
=>visit your local jeweller. Mine quite happily obtained for me, at
cost, fine
=>silver () 1mm thick plate, cut to whatever size I wanted, and
nicely
=>finished with protective plastic film on both sides to boot. Two
sheets
=>200mm X 40mm X1mm came to $106 AU (~ $53 US) for 80gm.
=>
=>  regards, Kevin N
ken...@optusnet.com.au
=>
=>
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Re: CS & Dosing Animals

[Black]

Julie, You sure do love animals, being willing to take that many rescues.
God bless you and your devotion to the innocent animals.
I use pint size water bottles for my dogs, adding about 2 tbs. to each
bottle.  They may not need that much, but you can't overdose.  I give it by
syringe to dogs, pups, who have a specific problem, approx. 2 cc. every 2
hours for 1-5 lb. dogs.  I see no reason to change water every day as CS
purifies water, and since it is in bottles the dogs don't have contact with
it, but even if they did the water would be disinfected.  I would change it
if they are drinking directly from a pan and you see any foreign material in
it.
CS is the best way to insure health in animals, as well as people, and if
you receive animals that are sick most of them will be recovered in a short
time after being on CS in their water.

Nancy...

- Original Message -
From: wolfcreek1 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: CS & Dosing Animals


> Nancy ~
>
> Thanks for the info with regards to heating the water.  I will test this
and
> check the mA's per Bob to see how it changes when heated, plus enjoy only
> cooking for a lesser time period.  I'd like to ask how you dose animals
with
> CS.  HHA recommends 1/2 tsp. for a large dog in a pint of water of their
500
> ppm CS.  I'm assuming there's a more direct way, i.e., syringing down the
> throat for more immediate intake and/or for animals that might not be
> consuming water.  How do you dose and how do you determine how much?  HHA
> also recommends changing the water daily.  If you administer your CS via
> waterers, do you change daily?  I'm thinking about the 30+ gallon waterers
> for goats, llamas, etc.
>
> I quit taking in rescue animals last summer when we topped over 90
animals.
> I'm down to about 50+ now and working on pens, pastures, fencing,
shelters,
> but when finished, intend to take in more rescues, who are usually ill, so
> looking for dosage recommendations for large and small critters.  Mind
you,
> we've never "advertised" that we rescue! =)  Can't imagine what would
happen
> if we advertised!  8>O
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
> Hugs & Howls,
>
> Julie & Critters
> >
> > Julie, for what its worth, try warming the water in small saucepan til a
> > little warmer than baby bottle temp (water is in pint jar).  Now you
only
> > need to cook the water for 10 min. for 2 sessions, cleaning wires
between
> > sessions.  I have made very adequate CS for 2 years this way, and helped
> > myself, family & friends  with loads of health problems.
> > Being a Maltese breeder I relate to your love of animals.  I even saved
a
> > young puppy from the brink of death last year after a moron vet gave him
a
> rabies shot at the age of 10 weeks .  I know I would have lost him if not
> > for CS.  Keep making that CS, its the closest thing to a miracle in a
> bottle that has ever come down the pike.
> > Nancy...
>
>
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Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time Nancy

[Black]

Fran, Consider yourself very fortunate that your whole family is willing to 
take CS.  And your family is fortuanate that you are making it for them.  There 
are so many variables for how much CS to take, but I find that taking a tbs or 
2 twice a day keeps me free from anything & everything, including outbreak of 
boils & sties that used to come from 4 absessed  root canals.  My dentist says 
the abesseses are gone, after taking CS for 1 1/2 years, but I find that a 
little hard to believe.
I would put a couple of ts. in your dog's water bowl, and you will probably 
find that he will not get the normal illnesses that plague many dogs, including 
gum disease, urinary tract infections, vaccination reactions, arthritis and 
even cancer.
Don't be surprised if this winter is the first time your family has little or 
no bouts of colds, flues, viruses.  If anyone has the start of symptoms get 
them to at least double the normal amount of CS for several days.  Also by 
holding it in your mouth for a minute or two you will be free of dental plaque. 
 You will learn so much on the list and will soon find out that being able to 
make your own CS will be worth its weight in health and doctor's bills.

Nancy...
  - Original Message - 
  From: frano...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 2:40 PM
  Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time Nancy


  Hi, 
  I found your letter so interesting about using this product for general 
health and am really interested in how you would apply this to a pet.  We have 
a small dog about 10 pounds, can you give me any advise.  I just make my first 
batch of cs and am so excited.  I took to teaspoons and don't know but plan to 
take that amount every day.  What do you suggest to people that you help/   

Re: CS>OT - bio terro question and Olive leaf extract

[Duncan Crow]

> Are the liquid extracts generally the
> best choice over capsules?

The more volatile compounds are indeed more active as a liquid. With the
Oregano oil, the garlic oil and I think the grapefruit seed oil, the phenols
are essentially oil-based; they very volatile and work better as a liquid
(and better than manufactured phenols too).  You can even breathe real
oregano oil fumes and effect a lot of lung/ bronchi infections.

Sorry I can't answer that one on the olive leaf extract.

ciao

Duncan


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Re: CS>oil quip

[Duncan Crow]

| The word "Canola" was made up by the rapeseed industry as a more palatable
| name for the oil of the rapeseed seed.; a contraction of  "canadian oil".
| It is an industrial oil.  Most of it is genetically engineered.  Many
| consider it highly poisonous.

And although the industry contests it's status as a GMO product, the word is
out in Canada's best health mag, Alive Magazine in the GMO Watch column, and
France has banned Canola importation.

Tells you something, doesn't it? CHORUS: "Too bad, Monsanto, we're sorry
about your luck."

ciao

Duncan


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Re: CS>oil quip

[Nina Silver]

- Original Message -
From: James Osbourne, Holmes 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: CS>oil quip


> Re: Canola Oil
> "Most of what we grow on our farm is used for alternative diesel  fuel.

> > That sounds like an excellent use for it.
> > James-Osbourne: Holmes

I must protest. This is a little unfair, because something's FUNCTION does
NOT always tell us about its INTRINSIC danger or safety.

For instance, other oils are/can be used for industrial purposes. Or let's
take another example: pesticides. We all know that Malathion is dangerous.
Some excellent substitutes are, believe it or not, Dr. Bronner's Eucalyptus
soap. Spray it on the little bugs and they die.

Yet I doubt that anyone on this list would classify Dr. Bronner's soap as
dangerous (unless you drank a lot of it).

Another example: take a commercial insect repellent that is nasty. (I can't
give you a name, because I don't use that stuff.) Well, peppermint and
citronella work well. But no one would put peppermint in the same category.

People who farm Canola are hard-working and deserve respect. And industry
needs industrial oils. Would you rather that petroleum be used?

If you don't like Canola, you don't have to eat it.

Regards,
Nina Silver, Ph.D.

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CS>anthrax / glutathione

[Duncan Crow]

A message from Dr. Jimmy Gutman:

With the recent outbreak of bioterrorism, I have been flooded with concerns
about how glutathione might relate to the anthrax scare.

My initial statement would be to urge the general public to suppress their
paranoia about this potential infection. This is not an easy organism to
produce or sustain in a laboratory, nor is it easy to transmit. Acquiring
the infection does not represent "the kiss of death" as well.

In general terms, raising glutathione levels has clearly been shown to
enhance the immune response against any foreign antigen, including viruses,
bacteria and fungi. Many studies have shown the efficacy of Immunocal
against organisms as diverse as HIV, hepatitis, streptococcus and
staphylococcus infections. This immune modulation likely extends towards the
majority of infections we may face.

Looking at the anthrax organism, there are no studies involving Immunocal
directly. Until recently, this has not been an area of too much concern.
However there have been published studies investigating the relationship of
glutathione in anthrax infections. Two studies are of particular interest.

A Harvard Medical School study found that much of the toxic effect exerted
by the anthrax organism was due to chemicals releasing high levels of free
radicals. This was one of the factors causing cellular damage and death.
Moreover, they found that raising glutathione provided partial protection
against the toxins involved. Mol Med 1994 Nov;1(1):7-18 Role of macrophage
oxidative burst in the action of anthrax lethal toxin. Hanna PC, Kruskal BA,
Ezekowitz RA, Bloom BR, Collier RJ. PMID: 8790597

An earlier study done in Russia suggested that infected individuals with
strong glutathione capabilities would do better against anthrax infection.
Biull Eksp Biol Med 1989 Mar;107(3):288-91 Effect of the lethal Bacillus
anthracis toxin on phagocytosis and the dynamics of the change in the enzyme
activity of the antioxidative system of peritoneal mononuclear phagocytes in
mice with differing hereditary immunity to anthrax]. [Article in Russian]
Abalakin VA, Sorochinskaia EP, Osipova NI, Iurkiv VA. PMID: 2496765

In these times of uncertainty, although only indirect evidence is cited, the
responsible person would want to do whatever possible to limit the
possibilities of contagious disease. Given a product that has negligible
downside and many other positive effects, the choice is easy.

Dr. Jimmy Gutman, MD, FACEP
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Of course he's really talking about the glutathione maker, Immunocal (HMS-90
in Canada). I think we've already discussed it. See signature to get 40%
off.
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Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time Nancy

[Lynda Khula]

just wanted to let you know that a virus came in with this letter, Lynda
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
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  Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time Nancy


  This file: "Unknown0e38.data" was infected with: "WScript.KakWorm.dr" virus. 
The file was deleted by Norton AntiVirus. Wednesday, October 17, 2001 17:40 

CS>spacing of electrodes

[Nina Silver]

- Original Message -
From: Wayne Fugitt 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2001 11:19 PM
Subject: CS>Spacing of Electrodes


> Evening Nina,
>
>   I don't question anything you have stated, but I do have a question for
> more details.
>
> >***Julie, I leave my water and electrodes unattended and always get great
> >CS. The only time it didn't work out--the silver flaked off and the
> >electrodes got "feathery" with excess silver flakes--was when the
electrodes
> >were too close to the sides or bottom of the glass container, or touching
> >it. (This conducts electrical current too fast, which you don't want.)
>
>  You bring up a subject which I would call  "spacing of electrodes".
>
> I have not read any specifics for this spacing and what to avoid, and what
> is the effect of doing this wrong.
>
> I use a 1/8 inch piece or plastic with holes drilled very close to 14 ga
> wire diameter.  Originally I used a piece of cardboard with holes punched
> in it.
>
> If this is a serious problem as you describe above, hopefully you or
others
> can tell us the details on this exact spacing.
>
> Wayne

Hi Wayne.
It's perfectly fine to question (heaven knows I've made my share of
mistakes).

One of them was that when I placed the silver electrode wires in the DW in
the wrong way, I got silver flakes in the water. Since I don't filter
(whether it's through lack of experience, not having filters, or simply
being disinclined to), I tossed the batch and started over. Wrong placement
of wires was the only reason ever for my having to throw out a batch.

The "wrong way" of silver wire placement, for me, was the following:

1) placing the wires closer than about 2 inches to each other;

2) not having the wires quite parallel to each other, so that they're at an
angle; and

3) allowing the wires to either touch or be too close to the sides or bottom
of the glass measuring container.

My CS generator uses a 9 volt battery.

I hope this clarifies things.

N Silver





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CS>New with lots of questions

[Mark Eckstine]

Ok.  I am as confused as all get out.  I found this list to help 
learn about CS.  How can I look at archived messages?  You all seem to 
know about CS and I need to start at the very beginning.  

Are there any web sites that can give me the basics.  Thank you so 
much.

 

--- Lora  Eckstine

--- mweckst...@earthlink.net 

--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

CS>OT Anyone using Linux?

[Judith Thamm]

Dear Group,
Does anyone use an e-mail program for Linux?  I',m getting Linux OS and a
word processor that handles windows documents installed today - I'm
interested in advise from other users please.

If you could write me direct, I would appreciate any help.
Judith.
galing...@chariot.net.au


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Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time Nancy

[FranO302]

Hi Nancy,
That was so nice of you to take the time to write me and we are all so 
excited about this product and hope it does half of what people say.  I have 
really high hopes.
I hope to hear from you from time to time and again thanks.  My email is 
frano...@aol.com if you want to just drop me a line from time to time.  Again 
thanks for taking the time.  Fran

Re: CS>RE: CNN Breaking News -- try BBC too

[Jason / AVRA]

For a fresh perspective, try:

http://islamicity.com/default.shtml



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To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 8:35 AM
Subject: CS>RE: CNN Breaking News -- try BBC too


> Thanks, Bill for CNN -- might like this as well --
> Another viewpoint.  Judy Down Maine
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/
> 
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RE: CS>oil quip

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Thanks Nina,
Way too flippant.

I appreciate your point and agree.  I did not intend to belittle anyone.
In all seriousness, I have yet to decide if canola is good or bad.  I have
not seen much hard info on it.  If you have a source I will be grateful.  I
try to avoid it generally, but it is ubiquitous, even in stores that sell
wholesome foods.
Since the commodities cartels have done so much previous poisoning with oils
and modified oils (My main reference is Mary Enig) I tend to suspect they
are doing it with this oil as well.

No offense to anyone intended except any conscious maleficent profiteers.

By the way, kerosene is excellent for killing head lice and nits but will
kill you if you drink it.

I apologize as well to the unwary.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Nina Silver [mailto:ni...@bestweb.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:51 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>oil quip


- Original Message -
From: James Osbourne, Holmes 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:46 PM
Subject: RE: CS>oil quip


> Re: Canola Oil
> "Most of what we grow on our farm is used for alternative diesel  fuel.

> > That sounds like an excellent use for it.
> > James-Osbourne: Holmes

I must protest. This is a little unfair, because something's FUNCTION does
NOT always tell us about its INTRINSIC danger or safety.

For instance, other oils are/can be used for industrial purposes. Or let's
take another example: pesticides. We all know that Malathion is dangerous.
Some excellent substitutes are, believe it or not, Dr. Bronner's Eucalyptus
soap. Spray it on the little bugs and they die.

Yet I doubt that anyone on this list would classify Dr. Bronner's soap as
dangerous (unless you drank a lot of it).

Another example: take a commercial insect repellent that is nasty. (I can't
give you a name, because I don't use that stuff.) Well, peppermint and
citronella work well. But no one would put peppermint in the same category.

People who farm Canola are hard-working and deserve respect. And industry
needs industrial oils. Would you rather that petroleum be used?

If you don't like Canola, you don't have to eat it.

Regards,
Nina Silver, Ph.D.

Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing*
Read the Intro on my website http://www.heart-of-healing.com


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RE: CS>oil quip

[James Osbourne, Holmes]

Thank you for the correction.  I am often wrong when I make an assumption.

James-Osbourne: Holmes

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:07 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>oil quip

Actually it stands for "Canadian Oil Low Acid".

Marshall

"James Osbourne, Holmes" wrote:

> The word "Canola" was made up by the rapeseed industry as a more palatable
> name for the oil of the rapeseed seed.; a contraction of  "canadian oil".
> It is an industrial oil.  Most of it is genetically engineered.  Many
> consider it highly poisonous.
>
> James-Osbourne: Holmes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Robb Allen [mailto:rube2...@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2001 8:19 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>oil quip
>
> Canola oil comes from the canola plantwe grow it here in Ohio...plant
> with yellow blossomsRobb
>
> >From: "Christiane Osowiecki" 
> >Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >To: 
> >Subject: CS>oil quip
> >Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2001 10:06:39 -0700
> >
> >Chuck quipped.
> >If olive oil comes from olives, and peanut oil comes from peanuts, where
> >does
> >baby oil come from?
> >
> >
> >
> >The scarier thought is where does canola oil come from???  Not to start
an
> >off-topic tangent, but look into ityou won't like what you
> >find.
> >
> >
>
> _
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Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time Nancy

[Jonathan B. Britten]

I believe it.   I have had problems;  lost all my bookmarks and mail 
files.  


JBB


Lynda Khula wrote:

just wanted to let you know that a virus came in with this letter, 
Lynda


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Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time Nancy


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"WScript.KakWorm.dr" virus. The file was deleted by Norton
AntiVirus. Wednesday, October 17, 2001 17:40 

Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time

[Marshalee Hallett]

> Gary,
>
> So if I'm using this in a glass with 2 cups of water, won't it make my
> silver wires bounce around and hit one another and/or the sides of the
> glass?  It's been a tough order to find a glass tall and wide enough for
5"
> of the wire to fit without touching the sides or bottom of the container.
> Help!
>
> Julie & Critters

Dear Julie, I use a glass 2 cup measuring cup. I have a bend in the wires to
fit over the rim, and they do move around a bit, but eventually I get them
to stay put. Some folks wind them around a chopstick or through a hole in a
straw.
Marshalee


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Re: CS>oil quip

[aka jhon]

As a child I ingested kerosene,,not dead yet,,also the ole' timers used it
as medicine,,the kerosene only affected my memory..
- Original Message -
From: "James Osbourne, Holmes" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:49 PM
Subject: RE: CS>oil quip


> Thanks Nina,
> Way too flippant.
>
> I appreciate your point and agree.  I did not intend to belittle anyone.
> In all seriousness, I have yet to decide if canola is good or bad.  I have
> not seen much hard info on it.  If you have a source I will be grateful.
I
> try to avoid it generally, but it is ubiquitous, even in stores that sell
> wholesome foods.
> Since the commodities cartels have done so much previous poisoning with
oils
> and modified oils (My main reference is Mary Enig) I tend to suspect they
> are doing it with this oil as well.
>
> No offense to anyone intended except any conscious maleficent profiteers.
>
> By the way, kerosene is excellent for killing head lice and nits but will
> kill you if you drink it.
>
> I apologize as well to the unwary.
>
> James-Osbourne: Holmes
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Nina Silver [mailto:ni...@bestweb.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 2:51 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>oil quip
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: James Osbourne, Holmes 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 1:46 PM
> Subject: RE: CS>oil quip
>
>
> > Re: Canola Oil
> > "Most of what we grow on our farm is used for alternative diesel  fuel.
>
> > > That sounds like an excellent use for it.
> > > James-Osbourne: Holmes
>
> I must protest. This is a little unfair, because something's FUNCTION does
> NOT always tell us about its INTRINSIC danger or safety.
>
> For instance, other oils are/can be used for industrial purposes. Or let's
> take another example: pesticides. We all know that Malathion is dangerous.
> Some excellent substitutes are, believe it or not, Dr. Bronner's
Eucalyptus
> soap. Spray it on the little bugs and they die.
>
> Yet I doubt that anyone on this list would classify Dr. Bronner's soap as
> dangerous (unless you drank a lot of it).
>
> Another example: take a commercial insect repellent that is nasty. (I
can't
> give you a name, because I don't use that stuff.) Well, peppermint and
> citronella work well. But no one would put peppermint in the same
category.
>
> People who farm Canola are hard-working and deserve respect. And industry
> needs industrial oils. Would you rather that petroleum be used?
>
> If you don't like Canola, you don't have to eat it.
>
> Regards,
> Nina Silver, Ph.D.
>
> Author, *The Handbook of Rife Frequency Healing*
> Read the Intro on my website http://www.heart-of-healing.com
>
>
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CS>Anthrax vaccines

[Terry Chamberlin]

Anthrax Vaccine Causes Gulf War Syndrome
 
Until 1998, there existed no published papers that
explored whether receiving anthrax vaccine was related
to Gulf War illnesses.  Instead, several expert
committees (lacking experience with anthrax) were
asked to comment on whether anthrax vaccine was likely
to be a cause of Gulf War Illnesses.  The committees
were given DOD briefings, did not review the
literature (there were no published studies of safety
or efficacy for the licensed anthrax vaccine),
concluded that a relationship was unlikely, and then
recommended against further research (1).

Studying American veterans was particularly difficult
because many were not told whether they were given
anthrax vaccine, and the vaccinations were
specifically not entered into service members' shot
records. Other centralized vaccine records have been
lost.  Despite concerns about the investigational
status of anthrax vaccine when used for biological
warfare, no informed consent was obtained from service
members at the time of the Gulf War, and no waiver of
informed consent was sought from the FDA.

The Canadian Department of National Defense (DND)
hired a consulting company (Goss Gilroy Inc.) to study
the health of Canadian Gulf Veterans and look at
various exposures.  Their report was published on the
DND website.  They found a significant relationship
between receiving non-routine (biological warfare)
immunizations and developing chronic fatigue, a very
common symptom of GWS (2). 

In 1999 a British study examined a large number of
Gulf War exposures in large cohorts of British Gulf
War and non-deployed Gulf-era veterans, and Bosnia
veterans.  They found that for both the Gulf War and
the Bosnia veterans, receiving anthrax vaccine was
related to developing an illness consistent with Gulf
War Syndrome (GWS). They wrote, "Vaccination against
biological warfare and multiple routine vaccinations
were associated with the CDC multi-symptom syndrome in
the Gulf War cohort (3)." 

This group published a follow-up paper in the British
Medical Journal that claimed that only Gulf War
veterans who received vaccines after deployment, not
before, showed this relationship.  However, they later
retracted this conclusion, and acknowledged that the
timing of vaccination did not affect the relationship
between vaccination and GWS.  

A study of Kansas Gulf War veterans was published in
2000 (4). This study also found that deployment
vaccines were related to GWS: 34% of Gulf War veterans
met the definition for GWS, while only 4% of
non-deployed, non-vaccinated Gulf-era veterans met the
definition.  However, 12% of Kansas Gulf-era veterans
who were vaccinated in preparation for deployment, but
then were not sent to the Gulf, also met the GWS
definition.  The paper concluded, "Vaccines used
during the war may be a contributing factor."  

A second study of British Gulf War veterans was
published in 4/2001. This study looked at the
relationship between various Gulf War exposures and
subsequent health.  It did not look at specific
deployment vaccines, but instead evaluated the number
of vaccinations received in relation to GWS. It said,
"Consistent, specific, and credible relations,
warranting further investigation, were found between
health indices and two exposures, the reported number
of inoculations and days handling pesticides (5)." 

The Veterans Administration collected data on
thousands of Gulf War veterans who presented for
evaluation of Gulf War Syndrome.  Although
unpublished, the data were presented at a conference
on GWS in January 2001 (6).   The VA asked veterans if
they thought they had received anthrax vaccine at the
time of the Gulf War, among many other potential
exposures, and inquired about symptoms of illness. 
Those who believed they had received anthrax vaccine
were twice as likely to report a multitude of symptoms
as those who believed they were not vaccinated. 

These are all the Gulf War data that are available in
the open literature.  Every study that examined the
question of whether vaccines in general, or specific
non-routine vaccines, or anthrax vaccine alone may
have contributed to GWS, has found a positive
relationship.
 
The French Ministry of Defense (MOD) recently convened
an advisory committee to study GWS chaired by
Professor Roger Salamon.  This committee reviewed the
existing world literature on GWS, and suggested that
"multiple vaccinations given during the war,
particularly those for anthrax, botulinum and plague,
seem associated with an excess of (GWS) signs and
symptoms (7)." 
 
There are no published long-term adverse event data
from the anthrax vaccine immunization program, which
began vaccinating service members in March, 1998. 
However, the unpublished study done by Captain Jean
Tanner at Dover Air Force Base suggests that recent
anthrax vaccine recipients face similar medical
problems as the Gulf War veterans (8).  

Meryl Nass, MD
207 865-7000
mn...@anthraxvaccine.org   

1. Expert committee

CS uses

[Terry Chamberlin]

This is a good, all-around article, since we have so
many new folks.

A FEW UNIQUE PLUS TRADITIONAL USES FOR COLLOIDAL
SILVER

When you control a source of pennies-per-gallon
make-it-yourself high concentration Colloidal Silver
you can use it for hundreds of health improvement
applications. A few are suggested here. You can use
most any non-chlorinated water to make silver colloid
for industrial and external uses and distilled or
de-ionized water for internal or injectable
applications.

Add to suspected drinking water when traveling or
camping. Silver-sprayed burns heal rapidly without
scarring. Safely sterilize anything from toothbrushes
to surgical instruments. Use topically on cuts,
wounds, abrasions, rashes, sunburn, razor nicks and
bandages. Spray on garbage to prevent decay odors.
Mist kitchen sponges, towels, cutting boards to
eliminate E. Coli and salmonella bacteria to prevent
food poisoning, gastrointestinal inflammation, and
genital tract infections.

Add when canning, preserving or bottling. Use like
peroxide on zits and acne. Add to juices and milk to
prevent spoiling, fermenting, deteriorating,
clabbering or curdling. Spray in shoes, between toes,
between legs to stop most skin itch, athletes foot,
fungi, jock itch. Diminish dandruff, psoriasis, skin
rashes, etc. Add to bath water, gargle, douches, colon
irrigation, nasal spray and dental water-pic
solutions. Cuts downtime dramatically from colds, flu,
pneumonia, staph, strep, respiratory infections and
rhino viruses. Skin itch, eye and ear infections,
warts and some moles vanish (put on bandaid and wear
overnight each night until gone). Spray on body after
bathing. Use with Q-tips on fingernail, toenail, and
ear fungi. Neutralize tooth decay and bad breath.
Silver stops halitosis by eliminating bacteria deep in
throat and on back of tongue. Unlike pharmaceutical
antibiotics, Colloidal Silver never permits
strain-resistant pathogens to evolve.

Put a on bandaids and bandages to shorten healing
times. Health professionals might consider IV and IM
injections. Tumor and polyp shrinking is reported when
masses are injected directly (when silver is added to
sterile physiological saline or Ringer’s Solution that
contains 9000 ppm sodium chloride). Toothaches, mouth
sores, bacterial irritations are diminished. Soak
dentures. Spray refrigerator, freezer and food storage
bin interiors. Stop mildew and wood rot. Mix in
postage stamp, envelope, and tape moistening wells,
paint and paste pots to prevent bacterial growth,
odors, spoiling or souring. Add to water based paints,
wallpaper paste, dishwater, cleaning and mopping
solutions, etc. Spray pet bedding and let dry.

Spray on top of contents of opened jam, jelly, and
condiment containers and inside lids before replacing.
Mix a little in pet water, birdbaths, cut flower
vases. Always add to swamp cooler water. Spray air
conditioner filters after cleaning. Swab air ducts and
vents to prevent breeding sites for germs. Use
routinely in laundry final rinse water and always
before packing away seasonal clothes. Damp clothes or
towels and washcloths will not sour or mildew.
Eliminate unwanted microorganisms in planter soils and
hydroponics systems. Spray plant foliage to stop
fungi, molds, rot, and most plant diseases.

Treat pools, fountains, humidifiers, Jacuzzis, hot
tubs, baths, dishwashers, re-circulating cooling tower
water, gymnasium foot dips, and bath and shower mats.
Spray inside shoes, watch bands and gloves and under
fingernails periodically. Treat shower stalls, tubs,
fonts, animal watering troughs, shavers to avoid
trading germs. Rinse fruit and vegetables before
storing or using. Put in cooking water. Add to human
and animal shampoos and they become disinfectants.
Prevent carpets, drapes and wallpaper from mildewing.
Wipe telephone mouthpieces, pipe stems, headphones,
hearing aids, eyeglass frames, hairbrushes, combs,
loofas. Excellent for diapers and diaper rash. Do
toilet seats, bowls, tile floors, sinks, urinals, door
knobs. Kills persistent odors. Rinse invalid's
pillowcases, sheets, towels and bedclothes. 
There are literally thousands of other essential uses
for this ridiculously inexpensive (if you make your
own), odorless, nearly tasteless and colorless,
totally benign and easily produced, powerful,
non-toxic disinfectant and healing agent. You'll find
that a spray or misting bottle of Colloidal Silver
solution may be the most useful health enhancement
tool in your environment. 

Dosage:
Some people, when first ingesting Colloidal Silver,
have the experience that is called the Herxheimer
effect. This experience is a result of the silver very
efficiently killing off too many pathogens too fast
for the body to dispose of through the normal
eliminative organs. This forces the body to utilize
the secondary eliminative organs: the lungs, sinuses
and skin. Sometimes a new Colloidal Silver user who
drinks a large quantity for the first time will
experience what feels like a cold or the flu (

Re: CS & Dosing Animals

[Connie]

I have recently injected two kits with CS.
Both with limping calici (vaccine induced).
They had struggled with the disease for 2-3 weeks before giving into
something I felt was so drastic.
SubQ- CS injections are VERY painful for the animaltakes  4 hands (and
towel for mummying) to do a 3-4 pound kitten.
They were getting CS in their drinking water, and also using homopathy to
treat prior to the injections.
The first kitten was up and running around 3 days later.
The second kit took 4 days to be running around and playing.
Allopathic vet said one cured may have been coincidence, two cured was good
indication that the SubQ-CS was the cure.

I invite anyone interested to please join the CSCats-Dogs list.
A relatively quiet listbut would love your input and ideas there.

cscats-dogs-subscr...@yahoogroups.com


Connie
WufnPur SibCats and POMS
www.pet-net.net/wufnpur

Newest photos at:
www.picturetrail.com/wufnpur


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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: CS & Dosing Animals




<>


Julie,
I came on the list about 2 yrs ago looking for the treatment of cats with
CS.  I started out with HHA CS but do not use it now and make my own CS with
a Silvergen generator.  It works great for us and it makes approx. 10ppm CS.
I have, on numerous occasions, replaced the cats regular water with 10ppm
CS.  They don't seem to care if its water or CS.   I have also administered
CS directly to the cat via dropper right in their mouth, letting them
swallow it.  I did have one older cat recently who just didn't seem up to
par. She was eating OK and her coat looks great but she was sleeping alot
and not playing. I gave her a dropper full (from a 2oz bottle) for a few
mornings in a row.  I noticed a difference in a few days, shes back to
zipping around with the younger cats again and more sociable.
I sent a friend of mine some of my own CS who has a 10 yr. old dog with a
large (grapefruit size) tumor in or around its pancreas. The vet  told her
that the dogs life is short and will not intervene with any surgeries, meds,
etc.  She started the dog on CS and within 2 days she says hes acting like a
new dog?!   Not sure whats going on but will be interesting to follow. There
are a few list members who have used CS on their farm animals.
Terri L.


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Re: CS>oil quip

[San]

> > By the way, kerosene is excellent for killing head lice
> and nits but will

granny used to soak our feet in 'coal-oil' when we stepped
on rusty nails. i didn't learn til i was grown that
coal-oil is kerosene. 

=
~~
San--2chillins & 1mercenaryRatCatcherWhoWorksForFood!
~~


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Re: CS>oil quip

[Nina Silver]

- Original Message -
From: James Osbourne, Holmes 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 7:49 PM
Subject: RE: CS>oil quip


> I appreciate your point and agree.  I did not intend to belittle anyone.
> In all seriousness, I have yet to decide if canola is good or bad.  I have
> not seen much hard info on it.  If you have a source I will be grateful.
I
> try to avoid it generally, but it is ubiquitous, even in stores that sell
> wholesome foods.
> Since the commodities cartels have done so much previous poisoning with
oils
> and modified oils (My main reference is Mary Enig) I tend to suspect they
> are doing it with this oil as well.

James,
Here are some links, though if you know about Mary Enig you've probably seen
these.

http://www.all-organic-food.com/canola.htm

http://www.ospc.com/coco.htm

And the following paragraph, excerpted from this website:
http://www.consciouschoice.com/healthconscious/healthconscious1307.html

Enig is concerned that many people seem to use canola oil almost exclusively
for their oil needs -- from high-heat cooking to salad dressings. "Canola is
a highly unsaturated oil and in order to be stabilized it has to be
deodorized...and in doing so...it's a source of trans-fatty acids." In an
oil producer's deodorization process, trans-fatty acids are created in
canola oil without undergoing the hydrogenation process. Her advice is to
buy high-quality canola oil from a reputable supplier who processes it
without heat and to limit its use to salad dressings. Sulfur compounds are
created in cooking and baking.

James, do you have any references other than from Dr. Enig?

In any case, for me it's not an issue. There's too much controversy
surrounding Canola oil to eat it. And yes, I agree with you that it's
ubiquitous. This makes it mandatory to read every damn label all the time!

Best,
Nina


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Re: CS>Re: an appropriate technology atomizer

[M. G. Devour]

> Mike,
> The bellows with pressure vessel is another invaluable idea.
> Fortuantely I see no need on the horizon, but I feel sure that
> somebody somewhere will benefit at some point. By the way, I have just
> located and tried out my little, two tube atomizer (two tubes
> connected with a hinge that adjust them perpendicular) and see that
> the mist appears a lot finer than what comes out of a convnetional
> spray bottle pump. Reid

What you're describing sounds a *lot* like the working parts of an 
airbrush. That's exactly how it works. If that's what's available, run 
with it!

The bellows may or may not work, but the vessel to act as a resevoir is 
a good idea. Even if it's only an extra liter of volume, it'll even out 
the output pressure between pump strokes.

I wish you well,

Mike D.

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Re: CS>appropriate technology and nebulizers

[Reid Harvey]

Brooks,
You've just made my day! But your message begs additional questions.
Certainly the tire pump gets over the need for electricity, but I take
it we still need the Harbor Freight nubulizer.  On the other hand I
would imagine we could even try out a little atomizer, of the type used
manually by artists, two little perpendicular tubes, suspended above the
solution, functioning on the Bernoulli Principle. Still not so fine a
mist, but how about less CS solution, taken more frequently?
Thanks again,
Reid

Dear Reid,
It was one of our staff members who designed the 'originaL''
device using the little Harbor Freight airbrush.
Although I never posted the informationhe did
experimentsuccessfullywith an ordinary "old-fashioned"
automobile tire pump (hand-operated variety).   He  informs that it only
requires a minimum effort/skill to generate a very acceptable
volume/pressure from the pump.
Although such would be  seriously considered here in U.S. as an
emergency measureit might offer real promise in many third-world
scenarios.
Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley




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CS>Re: an appropriate technology atomizer

[Reid Harvey]

Mike,
The bellows with pressure vessel is another invaluable idea. Fortuantely
I see no need on the horizon, but I feel sure that somebody somewhere
will benefit at some point. By the way, I have just located and tried
out my little, two tube atomizer (two tubes connected with a hinge that
adjust them perpendicular) and see that the mist appears a lot finer
than what comes out of a convnetional spray bottle pump.
Reid



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Re: CS>Anthrax overreaction

[Josephine]

Well after all of that detail given by Mercola,
now anyone will know what it takes to 
make a potent strain of this germ. 
All they would need are a few experts
to help them.Thanks a lot Doc.
Also, I think its a big mistake to underestimate
Mr. Bin Ladden's capabilities.
Josephine
Hawaii
- Original Message - 

  >From Dr. Mercola:
  "I have put three recent articles on this page from
  the media as they all relate to the same fact. The
  risk from anthrax is highly overstated. Despite the
  recent cases of anthrax in the media. To make anthrax
  into a weapon, as these articles describe, that would
  kill millions would require technology and
  sophistication that is far beyond the capability of
  bin Laden."

  Article One
  Making A Weapon From Anthrax
  The hurdles to making anthrax weapons include getting
  the right strain, or subspecies, of the germ. Experts
  say there are scores of strains of Bacillus anthracis,
  only some known to be exceptionally deadly.

  Then a would-be biowarrior would have to brew up
  swarms of lethal microbes - a dangerous process - and
  coax the fragile rod-shaped bacteria into forming
  spores, the hardy, hardened, dormant state.

CS & anthrax

[Terry Chamberlin]

Quotation from an article in my collection, relevant
to current discussion:

"Perhaps the scariest scenario that may present a need
for a powerful, broad-spectrum anti-microbial such as
Silver is the late 1990's threat of 'bioterrorism.' 
It is now widely expected by biowarfare and terrorism
experts that, whether due to small groups of
terrorists, or as a form of warfare by
'rogue'/totalitarian nations such as China, Iran,
Libya, N. Korea, Syria, or Russia, it is only a matter
of time before 'germ warfare' is unleashed in Europe
or America (10).  And if the supergerms released have
been produced in sophisticated biowarfare labs, they
will probably have been genetically altered to make
them resistant to the antibiotics normally used to
treat that species of germ - e.g.
tetracycline/doxycycline normally used to treat
Anthrax (the number 1 favorite of 'biowarfare
warriors' world-wide) (10).  It is interesting to note
that silver - both in liquid solution and as an
airborne-aerosol - has been known since 1887 to be
extremely toxic to Anthrax spores." (1,10,11,12)

1) H. Bechhold, Colloids in Biology and Medicine,
N.Y.: D. van Nostrand, 1919, pp. 364-76.
10)  D. Long & S. Spencer Jones, Bioterrorism: Secrets
for Surviving the Coming Terrorist Germ Warfare
Attacks on U.S. Cities, Barstow, CA: Life & Health
Research Group, 1998.   
11)  N. Grier (1983) "Silver and Its Compounds" in
Disinfection, Sterilization and Preservation, S.
Block, ed., Philadelphia: Lea & Febiger, 380-428.  
12)  I. Romans (1954) "Silver Compounds" &
"Oligodynamic Metals" in Antiseptics, Disinfectants,
Fungicides and Chemical and Physical Sterilization, G.
Reddish, ed., Philadelphia: Lea & Febiger, 380-428.  


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CS>Anthrax overreaction

[Terry Chamberlin]

Dr. Mercola has some very good articles to give us
perspective. I don't want to feed an OT thing for too
long, but I perceive a lot of fear in some of the List
members posts.

Bioterrorism Risk May Be Overstated
>From Dr. Mercola:
“I have put three recent articles on this page from
the media as they all relate to the same fact. The
risk from anthrax is highly overstated. Despite the
recent cases of anthrax in the media. To make anthrax
into a weapon, as these articles describe, that would
kill millions would require technology and
sophistication that is far beyond the capability of
bin Laden.”

Article One
Making A Weapon From Anthrax
The hurdles to making anthrax weapons include getting
the right strain, or subspecies, of the germ. Experts
say there are scores of strains of Bacillus anthracis,
only some known to be exceptionally deadly.

Then a would-be biowarrior would have to brew up
swarms of lethal microbes - a dangerous process - and
coax the fragile rod-shaped bacteria into forming
spores, the hardy, hardened, dormant state.

Then clumps of spores must be refined to precise
specifications if they are to find their way into the
human lung. Weapons experts say the particles must be
one to five microns wide; 20 of them would line up
across the stalk of a human hair.

Hugh-Jones, the anthrax expert at Louisiana State,
said terrorists could not simply open a jar of anthrax
spores on a subway or sprinkle some spores around and
infect thousands of people. 

A person must inhale about 8,000 to 10,000 spores to
be infected, Hugh-Jones said. And, he added, "getting
an efficient aerosol is a lot of work - you can't just
pump it up in an aerosol can."

Anthrax spores, Hugh-Jones explained, tend to clump
together in pieces so big that they would be taken up
by the body's defenses in the passageways to the
lungs. To make the spores into a deadly power, "you've
got to have a very very fine particle size,"
Hugh-Jones said. To make that powder, he said, "you
have to use detergents," to break up the clumps. "It's
a professional weapon - it's not for the amateur," he
said.

For instance, commercial crop-dusters usually dispense
liquids, and their nozzles produce droplets far too
large for sailing deep into human lungs. A terrorist
would have to do major modifications to adapt the
sprayer's nozzles to produce a finer mist of
particles.

Problems with nozzle design were among the factors
that troubled Iraq's anthrax efforts, Spertzel said.

Experts say dry anthrax is even more difficult to make
than wet anthrax, but more efficient for attacks
because it can sail farther on the wind.

Because all anthrax spores are vulnerable to bright
sunlight, they would ideally be dispersed at night,
when the logistics of aerial strikes can be complex,
experts say. Even then, an attack can fail if the
weather is bad or if the spores are caught up in the
rising air currents often produced by the relative
warmth of urban areas.

"People don't understand how difficult it is to pull
off a biological attack," said David R. Franz, a
former top official in the Army's germ-defense program
and now an officer at the Southern Research Institute,
an arm of the University of Alabama.

New York Times October 12, 2001


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CS>Anthrax overreaction

[Terry Chamberlin]

Article Two

Bioterrorism Risk May Be Overstated 
Fear of biological attack has stirred memories of the
sinister history of the remote Scottish island of
Gruinard, where an anthrax bomb was exploded during
World War II.

Now dubbed "anthrax island," Gruinard was
requisitioned by the British military for secret tests
to find out the potential of anthrax weapons following
fears that Germany was developing a biological warfare
capability.

Explosives testing with anthrax spores took place on
the deserted island in the early 1940s, killing 50
sheep and leaving the island so contaminated it
remained a no-go area for over 45 years.

Constant spraying with a mixture of 280 tons of
formaldehyde and 2,000 tons of sea water was needed
before Gruinard was finally declared decontaminated in
1987. Even today, 60 years on, it remains largely
uninhabited.

The experiment did not persuade the British war
cabinet to develop anthrax as a biological weapon,
possibly because its use was too gruesome to
contemplate, or possibly because the experiment showed
the difficulties of delivering the agent with any
accuracy or guarantee of effectiveness.

There is no doubt that anthrax -- delivered in the
right way -- is potentially a mass killer. A 1993
report by the US Congressional Office of Technology
Assessment estimated that between 130,000 and 3
million deaths could follow the aerosol release of 100
kilograms of anthrax spores upwind of Washington, DC.

However, a review published in The Journal of the
American Medical Association (JAMA) in 1999 by the US
Working Group on Civilian BioDefense stated that most
experts agree that:

the manufacture of a lethal anthrax aerosol "is beyond
the capacity of individuals or groups without access
to advanced biotechnology."

It points out that although the group responsible for
releasing the nerve agent sarin in a subway station in
Tokyo in 1995 dispersed aerosols of anthrax and
botulism throughout Tokyo on at least eight occasions,
for unclear reasons these attacks failed to produce
illness.

Paradoxically, it was the accidental, rather than
offensive, aerosolized release of anthrax spores from
a military microbiology facility in Sverdlovsk (now
Ekaterinburg) in the former Soviet Union in 1979 which
most clearly demonstrates the agent's lethal
potential. Of 79 people reportedly infected, 68 died.

Yet even this incident may offer some reassurance,
given that the military facility reportedly employed
15,000 people and that a residential area housing many
thousands more was exposed to the aerosol.

Underlining the importance of early diagnosis, the
JAMA article reported: The first evidence of a
clandestine release of anthrax as a biological weapon
most likely will be patients seeking medical treatment
for symptoms of inhalational anthrax.

The sudden appearance of a large number of patients in
a city or region with an acute-onset flu-like illness
and case fatality rates of 80% or more, with nearly
half of all deaths occurring within 24 to 48 hours, is
highly likely to be anthrax or pneumonic plague.

It adds that vaccine supplies are limited and that
even if vaccine were available, population-wide
vaccination "would not be recommended at this time,
given the costs and logistics of a large-scale
vaccination program and the unlikely occurrence of a
bioterrorist attack in any given community."

The Journal of the American Medical Association
1999;281:1735-1745 


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CS>Anthrax overreaction

[Terry Chamberlin]

Article Three

US Public Overreacting to Bioterror Threat

A bioterrorism expert told a House Committee October
10 that bad information has led to an unreasonable
level of panic about the probability of a bioweapons
attack.

"Despite what you may have heard in recent weeks,
there are meaningful technical hurdles that stand
between this nation's citizens and the ability of
terrorist groups to engage in mass casualty attacks
with chemical and biological agents," Dr. Amy
Smithson, director of the chemical and biological
weapons nonproliferation project at the Henry Stimson
Center, told the House Energy and Commerce Committee's
oversight subcommittee.

"Facts often get overlooked in such an atmosphere, but
I will resort to them nonetheless," Smithson told the
subcommittee. For example, she said, while
crop-dusting planes normally dispense materials that
are 100 microns in size or larger, "in order for an
aerosol spray of biological agent to infect a person,
the agent must arrive in the human lung alive, in a 1
to 10 micron particle size."

Smithson said the Florida anthrax situation is also
not likely a terrorist event. In any case, she said,
"rubbing some anthrax on a (computer) keyboard is not
a mass casualty attempt."

Reuters Washington, October 10, 2001




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Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time Nancy

[Tai-Pan]

 Well it seems that "Black" received the virus from "FranO302", and
passed it on with his message. Beware of the "CS Made for the 2nd Time
Nancy" thread. A properly written mail program will not pass this virus
on. :-) Most of you probably didn't even notice it.
Bless you,   Bob Lee
Lynda Khula wrote:

just
wanted to let you know that a virus came in with this letter, Lynda

- Original Message -

From:Black

To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001
4:08 PM

Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time
Nancy
 This file: "Unknown0e38.data" was infected with: "WScript.KakWorm.dr"
virus. The file was deleted by Norton AntiVirus. Wednesday, October 17,
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Re: CS & cancer

[wolfcreek1]

Kathy ~

CS is a standard protocol for cancer patients that Dr. Marijah McCain has
treated.  It's NOT the only thing utilized tho...essiac tea, olive leaf
extract, and depending, there are other treatments as well.  If you become a
member, membership is FREE, at http://www.herbalhealer.com, you can get a
free consultation every Tuesday from 9 am - 5 pm CST with Dr. McCain who is
a naturopathic doctor, amongst other things.  Of course, she recommends her
products, but you can buy them elsewhere and it is advantageous for
"possibilities" of supplements to research.

Best of luck!

Julie & Critters
> Thanks Terry for the info - wouldn't that be great if it would be
successful
> with ALL cancers, take care,
>
> Kathy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Terry Chamberlin 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
> Date: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 11:34 PM
> Subject: CS & cancer
>
>
> >> Does anyone know if CS is effective against
> >> cancers?  If so, how does it work against the
> >> cancer.  How much is ingested, etc.
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >> Kathy
> >
> >Kathy,
> >I have two doctor-confirmed cancer remissions among my
> >clients. The first was a woman who had cancer of the
> >tongue. Her husband called me to see if I had any
> >suggestions, because the doctor wanted to operate as
> >soon as possible. "Don't worry, I'll remove as little
> >of your tongue as possible", the doctor said.
> >
> >The woman made her living as a counselor. How much of
> >your tongue can a person afford to lose and still be
> >understandable?
> >
> >I had her post-pone the surgery for 2 weeks (actually,
> >I wanted 2 months, but the doctor told her she would
> >lose all of her tongue if she waited too long).
> >
> >I told her to take one ounce of CS 3Xday, hold it in
> >her mouth for 5 minutes (timing by the clock, not
> >estimating), and then swallow it.
> >
> >After 2 weeks, she went in for her surgery, and the
> >doctor couldn't even find enough cancer to do a
> >biopsy!
> >
> >The second client was a man who had been given 6
> >months to live. The doctors said his whole body was so
> >full of cancer, there was no reason to do any kind of
> >treatment - radiation, chemo, or surgery ("We'd have
> >to fillet you like a fish", they said).
> >
> >By taking large amounts of shark cartiledge, vit C, E,
> >etc., he lived a year past his expiration date, but he
> >was not doing well.
> >
> >One day he came into the pharmacy where my office is,
> >and I took one look at him (Death warmed-over, but not
> >too warm) and gave him a bottle of CS. He said,
> >"What's this?" I started telling him about some of my
> >other clients, and how CS had gotten rid of my
> >daughter's warts. He said, "Oh, I've got a big planter
> >wart on the bottom of my foot. Do you think it would
> >get rid of that?" I said I imagined it would. He said,
> >"Yeah, it's right next to the 3 big, black cancer
> >tumors the doctor wants to remove from my foot."
> >
> >I told him to put some CS in a pie pan and soak his
> >foot in it all evening while he was watching TV. The
> >next day, he called me and said, "Hey! My wart has
> >shrunk 25%, and one of the tumors has disappeared from
> >my foot!" I didn't believe him (people are so
> >excitable).
> >
> >Well, he went nuts. He bought a CS-maker from me
> >(12-volt DC adapter and 2 silver wires. He didn't even
> >use DW, just tap water). He started drinking it like a
> >fish, I don't know how much, but it was ALOT!
> >
> >I didn't see him for 2 months, and one day he came
> >into the pharmacy again. "Hey! How are you doing?" I
> >asked him. He said, "I just was in to the Oncologist
> >two days ago, and they did a full CAT scan on me. They
> >said it APPEARS there is no cancer in my body."
> >
> >I asked him to please get copies of the
> >before-and-after CAT scans. I didn't see him for a few
> >weeks again, and when I saw him again, I asked him if
> >he had gotten those scan copies. "I can't", he said,
> >"The doctor won't have anything to do with me. He
> >won't come on the phone or return my calls. I've
> >called him a dozen times."
> >
> >I said these two reports were doctor-confirmed, I
> >didn't say they knew what they were confirming them!
> >
> >Terry Chamberlin
> >Metabolic Solutions Institute
> >RR1  314 Carleton Rd
> >Lawrencetown, NS B0S 1M0
> >902-584-3810 voice
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CS>FRAN VIRUS

[Jonathan B. Britten]

What does this virus do?


JBB


Tai-Pan wrote:

 Well it seems that "Black" received the virus from "FranO302", and 
passed it on with his message. Beware of the "CS Made for the 2nd Time 
Nancy" thread. A properly written mail program will not pass this 
virus on. :-) Most of you probably didn't even notice it.


Bless you,   Bob Lee

Lynda Khula wrote:

just wanted to let you know that a virus came in with this 
letter, Lynda


- Original Message -

From:Black 

To: silver-list@eskimo.com 

Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 4:08 PM

Subject: Re: CS Made for the 2nd Time Nancy

 This file: "Unknown0e38.data" was infected with:
"WScript.KakWorm.dr" virus. The file was deleted by Norton
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Re: CS & Dosing Animals

[wolfcreek1]

Nancy ~

I just took in a partial litter of 4 five week old rescue pups.  Their 3
other siblings are in the vet hospital with parvo and of course, these have
been exposed and are showing symptoms.  They are about 5 lbs. each.

We are hoping to keep them out of the vet hospital, as the 3 that are
already in have a $3,000 bill already and being they are rescue cross breed
pups, there isn't tons of $$ to save them.  I only have 500 ppm CS on hand
and have been syringing some herbs along with a drop of CS orally.  They
aren't eating this evening, but am hoping they will in the AM.  I do have CS
in their 2 cups of water as well.  Contemplating giving CS via enema with
other herbs that we have cured parvo with in the past, but the pups were
12-18 lbs. that we've had 100% success with.

Any other thoughts or suggestions?  The woman that dropped them off doesn't
believe in holistic medicine, so all the more reason to help them heal
themselves without vet intervention.  Of course, should they get dehydrated
beyond my abilities, I will take them to the vet.  Am hoping their immune
systems will prevent this.

Julie & Critters
- Original Message -
From: "Black" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: CS & Dosing Animals


> Julie, You sure do love animals, being willing to take that many rescues.
> God bless you and your devotion to the innocent animals.
> I use pint size water bottles for my dogs, adding about 2 tbs. to each
> bottle.  They may not need that much, but you can't overdose.  I give it
by
> syringe to dogs, pups, who have a specific problem, approx. 2 cc. every 2
> hours for 1-5 lb. dogs.  I see no reason to change water every day as CS
> purifies water, and since it is in bottles the dogs don't have contact
with
> it, but even if they did the water would be disinfected.  I would change
it
> if they are drinking directly from a pan and you see any foreign material
in
> it.
> CS is the best way to insure health in animals, as well as people, and if
> you receive animals that are sick most of them will be recovered in a
short
> time after being on CS in their water.
>
> Nancy...
>
> - Original Message -
> From: wolfcreek1 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2001 10:08 PM
> Subject: Re: CS & Dosing Animals
>
>
> > Nancy ~
> >
> > Thanks for the info with regards to heating the water.  I will test this
> and
> > check the mA's per Bob to see how it changes when heated, plus enjoy
only
> > cooking for a lesser time period.  I'd like to ask how you dose animals
> with
> > CS.  HHA recommends 1/2 tsp. for a large dog in a pint of water of their
> 500
> > ppm CS.  I'm assuming there's a more direct way, i.e., syringing down
the
> > throat for more immediate intake and/or for animals that might not be
> > consuming water.  How do you dose and how do you determine how much?
HHA
> > also recommends changing the water daily.  If you administer your CS via
> > waterers, do you change daily?  I'm thinking about the 30+ gallon
waterers
> > for goats, llamas, etc.
> >
> > I quit taking in rescue animals last summer when we topped over 90
> animals.
> > I'm down to about 50+ now and working on pens, pastures, fencing,
> shelters,
> > but when finished, intend to take in more rescues, who are usually ill,
so
> > looking for dosage recommendations for large and small critters.  Mind
> you,
> > we've never "advertised" that we rescue! =)  Can't imagine what would
> happen
> > if we advertised!  8>O
> >
> > Any suggestions would be appreciated.
> >
> > Hugs & Howls,
> >
> > Julie & Critters
> > >
> > > Julie, for what its worth, try warming the water in small saucepan til
a
> > > little warmer than baby bottle temp (water is in pint jar).  Now you
> only
> > > need to cook the water for 10 min. for 2 sessions, cleaning wires
> between
> > > sessions.  I have made very adequate CS for 2 years this way, and
helped
> > > myself, family & friends  with loads of health problems.
> > > Being a Maltese breeder I relate to your love of animals.  I even
saved
> a
> > > young puppy from the brink of death last year after a moron vet gave
him
> a
> > rabies shot at the age of 10 weeks .  I know I would have lost him if
not
> > > for CS.  Keep making that CS, its the closest thing to a miracle in a
> > bottle that has ever come down the pike.
> > > Nancy...
> >
> >
> >
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CS>dermatitis

[john magee]

Hi  I am new to the list.
can any one tell me the best way to treat 
dermatitis on the hands using CS.
I have been taking CS orally for about 
nine months but had no effect on the 
condition. 
Please reply to invite2...@yahoo.com

regards

john m

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