Re: CSCS wattage
What would work is a timer motor. They're inexpensive, and can be found in, probably, 6 or 12 rpm versions. I found that air bubblers and high speed motors with wire or other type impellers caused large amounts of sparklers (silver crystals, I presume). Attach a flat piece of plastic to the shaft and it will stir the water gently without causing any disturbance to the process. Just do a search for timer motors on the internet and you will find them. They're designed for operating electrical switches. Good luck! Al - Original Message - From: Rich Adams rad...@kc.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 8:05 PM Subject: Re: CSCS wattage Now, I just need to figure out how to make a stirring unit, one idea so far is incorporating a 12v windshield washer pump, taking water from the top of the jug and pushing it out at the bottom along the wall of the curved glass.just an idea so far, my luck all the pumps will be metal. Respectfully, Rich Adams rad...@kc.rr.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSBluestuff
Hello All...I was wondering if anyone on the list had any personal knowledge of a product called bluestuff??thanks..Robb From: Tad Winiecki winie...@pacifier.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com CC: mbick...@saber.net Subject: CSRe: sweeten coffee or tea Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 23:02:10 -0700 Nancy, I'm curious ~~ what does the powder form of Stevia look like? My husband recently bought a new sugar that we keep at our cabin; it is light brown, seems more course than regular brown sugar, sweet, but not sugary sweet, and very good!! Much better than regular sugar. I'd ask him what it is, but he's still sleeping; a, the joys of retirement. Marilyn~~ Marilyn- Powdered Stevia is whitish and very fine grained, not like sugar. The bottle says that to sweeten a cup of liquid one should dip a toothpick in it and stir the liquid with it, that's how concentrated it is. In other words, you don't use it like sugar. Your brown sugar sounds like Turbinado sugar, which is light brown but not clumpy like regular brown sugar. Nancy -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
Re: CSRe: HVDC
If the surface area of the electrodes is increased , the controlled amperage can be increased as well and still get the same results. I've used 12 gauge wire 8 1/2 long at 3 ma, constantly stirred, starting at 26v and ending at 12v to make a gallon of 20+ PPM clear CS in 9 1/2 hours. There are several ways to control the current, one of which is to gradually move the electrodes away from each other..and the dimmer switch, of course. If you keep the current low enough , the mist should remain white and you'll either get a strong clear or pale yellow cs that is very good. [using rainwater or other distilled] Ideally, the water should be kept moving and the mist won't be seen at all. But, we're talking about what will work more so than what's ideal. You'll still probably need to wipe the electrodes clean now and then..a good time to stir things up. Speaking of rainwater...I recently took a sample from my tin roof runoff after it had rained for an hour and it was as good as any commercial distilled I have used. I think it was Terry that was running 120VDC into ten jars in series? That would be ten, 10 volt generators going at once. Total current can be divided by ten to get individual cell current. If you're running 220 volts DC, that would be ten, 20+/- volt generators. Not bad at all. I see no reason to not put 20 electrodes in the same large container of water either. [spacing problems maybe?] Actually, the voltage isn't as important as the current because controlling the current lowers the voltage. Higher voltage just gets things started faster. You'll have to ask someone else about HV generators. They're a whole 'nuther story. A question for the electrical techies... A light bulb drops more voltage as it heats up? Could the appropriate light bulb or series of light bulbs be used to automatically limit the current to a couple of milliamps and also give an indication as to when the CS is done by the brightness of the bulb/s? Effectively, the CS water itself would be the dimmer switch? A fatalistic society tends to be a careful one? The pioneer spirit is careful, practical and intelligent by necessity [or it's dead]. When help is so far away, caution becomes a way of life. City boys out in the woods do some very crazy thoughtless things that no woodsman would even consider. Sue happy/ health care at every corner America is becoming fail-safed into idiocy. ken [someone who has cooked hot dogs by plugging them in..you don't forget to uplug them more than a couple of times...EEEYOWWW!!! What a reminder! ] At 03:46 AM 1/1/02 +0600, you wrote: Ken, You take a very intelligent approach, especially considering safety, but it seems that low voltage seriously limits the producer's output of CS. Don't you end up with about a pint or so? Of course, for folks who produce his for themselves only, low voltage would appear to be the way to go. On the other hand if one wants to produce gallons it can be well worth seriously considered risks. One can fabricate a little additional apparatus which will make the system perfectly safe. Beyond the need to get an HVDC system up and running, perhaps one needs to consider not just safety, but their capacity to keep it safe. This may be obvious, but consider that every day we deal with 110V plugs, etc. Sometimes I think it is worth pondering that in places like this, Bangladesh, when the prongs fall off of someone's electrical wires they simply plug the bare wires into the outlet. It's not like one can jump into the station wagon and head for the nearest TruValue. After all, when you live in a fatalistic society you become accustomed to the notion that when it's time to go there is not much we can do about it. Once in Africa I had a futile argument with a guy who insisted his baby was dying because God had determined it was the little boy's time to go. As the mother force fed the baby rice, his belly distended, I concluded I could not possibly convince her this food did not contain all necessary nutrients. As it turned out, a local church gave her a bag of rice every month so that she would attend, and who was I to contradict the church? The following year the dead baby's mom gave birth to a little girl and named her Toniya. In the local language this means, 'Stay With Us.' Today I think that making CS is also very much about many aspects of education, part of this about electricity. Reid If you control the current,stir, or both you can make strong clear CS with low voltage. ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS wattage
Hi Terry, I would guess that any voltage within reason could be used to make CS as it is the energy put into the cell that does the work. The only problem with 600 v DC might be that the instantaneous energy may be so high that large chuncks are blasted off the wires. To answer that would be expensive as each set up to arive at an optinum would require a T.E.M. at $75.00. That would be a whole bunch of money. As mentioned earlier the area under a current time curve when multip[led by voltage is the energy needed to make the CS. It would be a lot of math but it could be worked out. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS wattage
Hi Rich, Go to Radio Shack and buy their 1 1/2v dc motor for $1.50 glue it on to the lid. For a stirrer use a 3 length of #14 insulated house wire. Slid the copper out about 1/4 and cut it off. the other end will slid on to the motor shaft. Put about a 15 deg bend in the far end. Limit the current as the little dude will stir up a storm. Ole Bob; -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSimple CS brewing -- CAUTION
Morning Tony, also bypass these.!! Does the house wiring have an earthleakage unit. If the wiring of the CS unit is set up correctly then the EL unit could save a life as a final resort. Possibly the unit, earthleakage unit is what we call a GFI, GFCI, or Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter in the USA. In most newer residences, these are required by the NFPA codes that apply. These are installed by the kitchen sink, for outside power outlets, and in workshops where hand tools will be used. Some workers even use portable units strapped to their belts. One of the most critical applications I have installed relative to this is underwater swimming pool lights. In this one instance, the old light fixtures were to be reused. I took all these into my shop, submerged them, allowed them to heat up and cool off for several cycles to see if anything strange was happening. There is a court case of record whereas some drunks climbed over a fence, enjoyed a short swim, and were electrocuted. ( at least one of them ). So with this in mind, even though I installed new wiring and new GFCI breakers, I made a simple variable test unit to test each wiring run and each breaker. I felt that if such a court case ever came up, I would be comfortable with the methods I used. Generally, I burn all bridges behind me when safety is an issue. These devices interrupt voltage very quickly when about 4 ma current flows from the hot side to ground. Supposedly in a short time interval before the heart can be effected. Every needs to be aware that these units offer no protection if the body allows current flow from the hot wire to the neutral. ... They offer protection only from the hot wire to earth ground. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS wattage
All Electronics and Hosfelt both sell surplus 30 rpm motors for less than $3. They work well as stirring motors. Make a short coupling out of a piece of vinyl tubing to couple the motor shaft to a plastic paddle. I agree - air bubblers result in a large number of tiny cruddies which make decanting more difficult. Slow stirring usually results in one or two larger cruddies which sluff off the silver wires when they are removed from the brew. Intermediate wire wipe-offs can result in less crud in the brew. Happy New Year, and welcome to the real new millineum. --Steve - Original Message - From: Alfred Davis adav...@austin.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 1:15 AM Subject: Re: CSCS wattage What would work is a timer motor. They're inexpensive, and can be found in, probably, 6 or 12 rpm versions. I found that air bubblers and high speed motors with wire or other type impellers caused large amounts of sparklers (silver crystals, I presume). Attach a flat piece of plastic to the shaft and it will stir the water gently without causing any disturbance to the process. Just do a search for timer motors on the internet and you will find them. They're designed for operating electrical switches. Good luck! Al -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBluestuff
In a message dated 12/31/2001 3:15:15 AM Central Standard Time, Robb: If you're inquiring about the Blue Stuff that has Emu Oil, Aloe Vera and MSM, yes I have used it as well recommended it to friends of mine. For Arthritis it does a good job for me to relieve most of the pain in my hands and fingers. It takes a little while (for me about a week) to notice the difference. Like a headache, when the pain diminishes, sometimes you don't notice it. But think back and you remember you were hurting. :-) One has to do it diligently at first and then only as a maintenance level. They have a money back guarantee. I buy the Super Blue Stuff! Thom rube2...@hotmail.com writes: Hello All...I was wondering if anyone on the list had any personal knowledge of a product called bluestuff??thanks..Robb
Re: CSFiltering CS
Hi, i have a rust color build-up on the glass is use to make cs, if i do not wash it between batches. i made about 11/2 gal. in the last two days, one glass at a time. At the end of each day i easily cleaned the glass with dish detergent and warm soapy water. i too, want to know more about this substance. Thank you, nan Carol wrote: I get the same rust colored stains on a measuring cup that I use. After I have finished brewing my CS I strain it using a coffee filter. The container I pour it into has a chip in the glass (this is the measuring cup) and I have noticed a rust coloration forming in the uneven surface of the chip. I am also getting this rust coloration on an eye dropper I use to snort CS with when I get a sinus infection. This is the same rust color that my used coffee filter/strainer gets if I leave laying out for a day or so. I don't know what is causing this but it has something to do with the CS. -Original Message- From: Josephine [mailto:joseph...@poidogs.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:08 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFiltering CS Talking about filtering CS, I bought the unbleached coffee filters, the Melitta brand. When I used them to filter my CS, the CS got darker yellow in color. This happened several times so I stopped using those coffee filters as I then figured that the filters are not really unbleached but maybe colored brown to look unbleached and perhaps the coloring is leaching into the CS. It was then suggested by the manufacturer of my CS generator that I could use white cotton handkerchiefs to filter the CS. So now I am using cotton hankies. However, I am noticing that whenever I rinse out the hankies and hang them to dry, I notice a rust colored stain develops on the part that was in contact with the CS. Now I am wondering where this rust color is originating from. The manufacturer has no explanation for the rust color and says that the silver strips being used for the electrodes are 99.9 silver. Any way of testing the electrodes for purity? Also, I am beginning to wonder if the rust is coming from the metal covers that I am using for the quart size mason jars that I use to make and store the CS. Any ideas or comments on this subject is appreciated. Thanks, Josephine . Terry replies: Leo, no filter that I have ever heard of can filter out particles of anything as small as CS (unless your CS is dark brown). . __ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFiltering CS
Yours could be the fact that you wash your glass. Do not use detergents to clean the containerjust rinse with DW. I do not even do that!! Occassionally I will wipe out with a clean paper towel. Just keep reusing. Remeber you are making CS.nothing grows in the presence of silverwhy worry about cleaning the making container? From: nan n...@wingnet.net Reply-To: nan n...@wingnet.net Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:31:27 -0500 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFiltering CS Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 09:37:56 -0800 Hi, i have a rust color build-up on the glass is use to make cs, if i do not wash it between batches. i made about 11/2 gal. in the last two days, one glass at a time. At the end of each day i easily cleaned the glass with dish detergent and warm soapy water. i too, want to know more about this substance. Thank you, nan Carol wrote: I get the same rust colored stains on a measuring cup that I use. After I have finished brewing my CS I strain it using a coffee filter. The container I pour it into has a chip in the glass (this is the measuring cup) and I have noticed a rust coloration forming in the uneven surface of the chip. I am also getting this rust coloration on an eye dropper I use to snort CS with when I get a sinus infection. This is the same rust color that my used coffee filter/strainer gets if I leave laying out for a day or so. I don't know what is causing this but it has something to do with the CS. -Original Message- From: Josephine [mailto:joseph...@poidogs.com] Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2001 11:08 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFiltering CS Talking about filtering CS, I bought the unbleached coffee filters, the Melitta brand. When I used them to filter my CS, the CS got darker yellow in color. This happened several times so I stopped using those coffee filters as I then figured that the filters are not really unbleached but maybe colored brown to look unbleached and perhaps the coloring is leaching into the CS. It was then suggested by the manufacturer of my CS generator that I could use white cotton handkerchiefs to filter the CS. So now I am using cotton hankies. However, I am noticing that whenever I rinse out the hankies and hang them to dry, I notice a rust colored stain develops on the part that was in contact with the CS. Now I am wondering where this rust color is originating from. The manufacturer has no explanation for the rust color and says that the silver strips being used for the electrodes are 99.9 silver. Any way of testing the electrodes for purity? Also, I am beginning to wonder if the rust is coming from the metal covers that I am using for the quart size mason jars that I use to make and store the CS. Any ideas or comments on this subject is appreciated. Thanks, Josephine . Terry replies: Leo, no filter that I have ever heard of can filter out particles of anything as small as CS (unless your CS is dark brown). . __ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: HVDC
Hi Ken, Just want to let you know our generator never screws up a batch as you put it. There is no experimenting involved. It is completely automatic, highly repeatable and therefore suitable for any non technical person to operate. Also, Ole Bob had nothing to do with me designing or thinking up the constant current design. I did it and was in business long before coming to the silver list. I give Bob credit where credit is due. Just getting the facts straight. Regards, Trem www.silvergen.com - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: HVDC The only limit to volume is the amount of time you want to stay awake to keep the electrodes clean [if and as needed] and keep an eye on the process. A generator that will make a pint will also make a gallon. It just takes longer. Using an Ole Bob generator, it generally takes about 5 to 7 hours to make a half gallon 25+PPM. Ole Bob [so named because Ole Bob thought of the stirring thing]...constant stir, starting voltage at about 26VDC, Finished at 12VDC / auto off, current controlled at 2 ma, about 3 of 12 gauge wire submerged, 1 1/2 spacing. BTW, Both Trem [www.silvergen.com] and I [silverpuppy.com] make this type generator [Trems has more bells and whistles, that is, more ways to experiment and 'maybe' screw up a batch? ]...the only ones I know of..and both designs originated with our local lister CS guru of the practical, Ole Bob. He is worth listening to. Ken [Thanks again Bob] At 04:17 PM 12/30/01 -0600, you wrote: Evening Ken, Don't you end up with about a pint or so? Of course, for folks who produce his for themselves only, low voltage would appear to be the way to go. I make 1/2 gallon per batch with LVDC.I can use Terry's time method as he makes 1 gallon ( per station ), and I make 1/2 gallon. Likely I could parallel a few half gallons if the need ever arises. My voltage being 1/2 of 110 volts ( or nearly so), if my spacing is about the same, and I use 25% starter, I should be close enough to the target. So what if I am a few ppm more or less? I don't sell any of this, so the variation causes me no worry. This typically does me one to two weeks, depending on how much I give away. If you want gallons . then that will somewhat dictate your methods. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: HVDC
Speaking of rainwater...I recently took a sample from my tin roof runoff after it had rained for an hour and it was as good as any commercial distilled I have used. Did you test for bird feces? James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coy...@alltel.net] Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 7:41 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: HVDC If the surface area of the electrodes is increased , the controlled amperage can be increased as well and still get the same results. I've used 12 gauge wire 8 1/2 long at 3 ma, constantly stirred, starting at 26v and ending at 12v to make a gallon of 20+ PPM clear CS in 9 1/2 hours. There are several ways to control the current, one of which is to gradually move the electrodes away from each other..and the dimmer switch, of course. If you keep the current low enough , the mist should remain white and you'll either get a strong clear or pale yellow cs that is very good. [using rainwater or other distilled] Ideally, the water should be kept moving and the mist won't be seen at all. But, we're talking about what will work more so than what's ideal. You'll still probably need to wipe the electrodes clean now and then..a good time to stir things up. Speaking of rainwater...I recently took a sample from my tin roof runoff after it had rained for an hour and it was as good as any commercial distilled I have used. I think it was Terry that was running 120VDC into ten jars in series? That would be ten, 10 volt generators going at once. Total current can be divided by ten to get individual cell current. If you're running 220 volts DC, that would be ten, 20+/- volt generators. Not bad at all. I see no reason to not put 20 electrodes in the same large container of water either. [spacing problems maybe?] Actually, the voltage isn't as important as the current because controlling the current lowers the voltage. Higher voltage just gets things started faster. You'll have to ask someone else about HV generators. They're a whole 'nuther story. A question for the electrical techies... A light bulb drops more voltage as it heats up? Could the appropriate light bulb or series of light bulbs be used to automatically limit the current to a couple of milliamps and also give an indication as to when the CS is done by the brightness of the bulb/s? Effectively, the CS water itself would be the dimmer switch? A fatalistic society tends to be a careful one? The pioneer spirit is careful, practical and intelligent by necessity [or it's dead]. When help is so far away, caution becomes a way of life. City boys out in the woods do some very crazy thoughtless things that no woodsman would even consider. Sue happy/ health care at every corner America is becoming fail-safed into idiocy. ken [someone who has cooked hot dogs by plugging them in..you don't forget to uplug them more than a couple of times...EEEYOWWW!!! What a reminder! ] At 03:46 AM 1/1/02 +0600, you wrote: Ken, You take a very intelligent approach, especially considering safety, but it seems that low voltage seriously limits the producer's output of CS. Don't you end up with about a pint or so? Of course, for folks who produce his for themselves only, low voltage would appear to be the way to go. On the other hand if one wants to produce gallons it can be well worth seriously considered risks. One can fabricate a little additional apparatus which will make the system perfectly safe. Beyond the need to get an HVDC system up and running, perhaps one needs to consider not just safety, but their capacity to keep it safe. This may be obvious, but consider that every day we deal with 110V plugs, etc. Sometimes I think it is worth pondering that in places like this, Bangladesh, when the prongs fall off of someone's electrical wires they simply plug the bare wires into the outlet. It's not like one can jump into the station wagon and head for the nearest TruValue. After all, when you live in a fatalistic society you become accustomed to the notion that when it's time to go there is not much we can do about it. Once in Africa I had a futile argument with a guy who insisted his baby was dying because God had determined it was the little boy's time to go. As the mother force fed the baby rice, his belly distended, I concluded I could not possibly convince her this food did not contain all necessary nutrients. As it turned out, a local church gave her a bag of rice every month so that she would attend, and who was I to contradict the church? The following year the dead baby's mom gave birth to a little girl and named her Toniya. In the local language this means, 'Stay With Us.' Today I think that making CS is also very much about many aspects of education, part of this about electricity. Reid If you control the current,stir, or both you can make strong clear CS with low voltage. ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit
Re: CSRe: HVDC
Hi Ken And All, The tungsten filament of a light bulb is a varialbe resistor. As it heats up the resistance increases. It is hard to find a bulb that has less that about 20 ma. rating, but they are there. When used properly they can act like a ballast lamp (constant current device), but that takes more skill than is generally in the EE notebooks. (I designed them for Western Electric) When in the off state the resistance of a 100 watt 120 v bulb is 10 ohms. When 120 v is applied to it the current spikes and the filament starts getting hot, sbout 2000 Kelvin. When full on the current is .833 amps and the resistance is about 144 ohms. Remember a lamp is pure resistance so power factor does not enter in. The rain water in KC MO is not useable!!! Too many impurities. A question for the electrical techies... A light bulb drops more voltage as it heats up? NO the voltage stays constant Ole Bob
CSGround Fault Circuit Interrupter
In my complete instructions for using 110VDC to brew CS (which I sent to Reid), I highly encourage the use of a Ground Fault Circuit Interrupter to prevent accidents. In my commentary on the list, I didn't mention it. When using 110VDC, it would be unwise to leave it out. I have one installed before the rectifier, but it occurs to me that placing the GFCI after the rectifier would save the rectifier in case of a short (I burned one up with a short). __ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSHVDC CS
Ode Coyote said: I think it was Terry that was running 120VDC into ten jars in series? That would be ten, 10 volt generators going at once. Total current can be divided by ten to get individual cell current. No, not in series, in parallel. Not ten 10 volt generators going at once, ten 110 volt generators going at once. Each generator makes one gallon CS (3 quarts net) per hour. If you don't need a large quantity of CS quickly or regularly, the lower voltage way is better and safer. Terry Chamberlin __ Send your holiday cheer with http://greetings.yahoo.ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: HVDC
Evening, I hate to be a stickler, and non conformist, but the line below is not correct. A question for the electrical techies... A light bulb drops more voltage as it heats up? NO the voltage stays constant I don't know who wrote the line.. no, the voltage stays constant .. but I have experienced major voltage drop and voltage changes as the filaments heats up. First, one must relate back to the very basic ohms law. In the lamp circuit in question, there well be 3 voltage drops. These 3 voltage drops will total the applied voltage. No wire exists that has ZERO resistance, except in super conductors. The filament itself, and the voltage drop on each wire that powers the lamp. The total of these 3 voltage drops will equal the applied voltage. Because the current changes after it heats up, the voltage to the lamp will be different with it is cold than when it is fully heated. In case anyone doubts what I have written, here is the proof. If anyone has ever worked with large arrays of incandescent lamps, they have visually observed what I described above. When you reach about 50 to 100 lamps, ( this is more noticeable when you have 100 or 200 lamps ) there will be a dimming effect of nearby lamps on the same power feed when the voltage is first applied to these lamps. Some commonly call this The incandescent effect. Likely someone will know the number of miliseconds that it takes the filaments to reach full temperature and maximum resistance. Old Bobs message states a 14 to one resistance ratio. This is the proof that the voltage will not remain constant. The inrush current is so high, when the filaments are cold, it puts a overload on breakers and relays. Fortunately, the interval is so short that breakers won't trip. They are heat operated devices. The time interval is too short to trip the breakers. Back to the original voltage question, The lamp will have less voltage across it when it is cold. During this interval, the wires will have more voltage drop. When the lamp if fully hot, it will have the highest voltage, and the wires will have the least voltage drop. The ratio of the resistance of the two wires, relative to the cold lamp resistance, will determine the exact voltage drop on the lamp and the wires. Depending on the wire size and circuit design, the lamp could have as little as 1/2 to 2/3 of the applied voltage when cold, and hopefully, it will have 97 to 99.99 per cent of the voltage when it is fully heated up. At one time, I had all the wire resistances memorized up to # 8 wire.Wire resistance, temperature changes, and circular mills are irrelevant to most people. Still, someone could loose a king sized bet one day, it they learn things wrong. .. like the one statement I am talking about..NO, the voltage remains constant. Wayne
CScluster headaches
a friend just started a bout with cluster headaches. he has found that O2 helps more that the AMA stuff. anyone on here with any experience with these things? any good herbal remedies?thanks,jim, O+, S
Re: CScluster headaches
I have found Reiki to be fantastic for these and migranes. Marshall Acmeair wrote: a friend just started a bout with cluster headaches. he has found that O2 helps more that the AMA stuff. anyone on here with any experience with these things? any good herbal remedies?thanks,jim, O+, S -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSConstant current generators (was Re: CSRe: HVDC)
Some comments below in response to Ken's questions, and some ideas on building your own constant current generator. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coy...@alltel.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 7:40 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: HVDC I think it was Terry that was running 120VDC into ten jars in series? That would be ten, 10 volt generators going at once. Total current can be divided by ten to get individual cell current. If you're running 220 volts DC, that would be ten, 20+/- volt generators. Not bad at all. I see no reason to not put 20 electrodes in the same large container of water either. [spacing problems maybe?] COMMENT: Better to use individual jars, each with a pair of electrodes. If you have many electrodes in the same jar, you will have many paths of current flow between many pairs of electrodes, with many different amounts of current between electrode pairs. The end result will be an OK product, but you can't depend on end voltage or elapsed time to know what you have produced. You will have to measure it to find out. A question for the electrical techies... A light bulb drops more voltage as it heats up? Could the appropriate light bulb or series of light bulbs be used to automatically limit the current to a couple of milliamps and also give an indication as to when the CS is done by the brightness of the bulb/s? Effectively, the CS water itself would be the dimmer switch? COMMENT (because I am an electrical techie): Light bulbs are lousy current regulators by themselves. And the smallest current incandescent bulb you can normally get requires about 20 ma which is too high for good CS production. LEDs are not current regulators at all, but can roughly (very roughly!) give you an indication of current flowing through it and your CS electrodes. Much better to get a cheap multimeter to monitor current. But the best LV solution, which Trem and others use, is to employ a simple, cheap electronic gizmo designed to produce regulated current. An LM334 is an elegant, readily available and cheap (less than $1) device that, with the addition of a single resistor, allows you to run a constant current using an input voltage less than 40 volts. If you set it to operate at one milliamp (ma) , for example, and use good distilled water, it will take a while for the current to go from about 0.2 ma to one ma, then it will stay constant at one ma and the voltage across the electrodes will begin to drop as the conductivity of the brew goes up (silver ions go into the brew). The CS production rate gradually ramps up until the regulator starts holding the current constant, then the production rate remains fairly constant. Even better is to add a high voltage transistor and one more resistor and start with a voltage of about 160 or so volts DC at constant current. This allows most distilled water to starting drawing the full one ma immediately. Since CS production is a fairly linear with time, you can just time your run and depend on the end product being about the same for each brewing. The 160 volts requires some care to prevent contact with it during the brew. Connections to the electrodes should be insulated, etc. (The one ma will give you a harmless tingle, but if a component fails, you could receive a dangerous or lethal shock.) I use an isolation transformer in my 160 volt power supply for increased safety. I usually brew my stuff at 1.1 ma for 4 hours, and it comes out clear. (I do notice after using the same quart jar to brew a few batches, the glass will have a thin coating of silver which has plated out that I wipe out.) I don't wash the jars - just pour off the sludge remaining after decanting off most of the brew, add new water, insert the electrode assembly, plug in the generator, and push the start button and away it goes for 4 hours. If you need higher volume production, Going a step further, you can have one 160 volt power supply which can run a hundred or more of the LM334 / HV transistor circuits, each brewing a quart of CS product if you need high volume. Plug it in for a designated time period (e.g. with a timer switch) and at the end you will have 100 or more quarts of very similar brew at a whack. Whether you brew one or one hundred quarts, I also recommend stirring each brew jar with a plastic paddle rotating at 30 - 60 rpm for the entire brew time. If you want the schematic for the 160 volt generator and have some knowledge of electronics, I can send you a MS Word file of it which includes some text with a bit of explanation and recommend sources - request it directly not through the list. I don't sell generators or parts for them. --Steve Young -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe
Re: CSBluestuff
Thanks..I think I'm gonna try thatRobb From: ol...@aol.com Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBluestuff Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:10:16 EST In a message dated 12/31/2001 3:15:15 AM Central Standard Time, Robb: If you're inquiring about the Blue Stuff that has Emu Oil, Aloe Vera and MSM, yes I have used it as well recommended it to friends of mine. For Arthritis it does a good job for me to relieve most of the pain in my hands and fingers. It takes a little while (for me about a week) to notice the difference. Like a headache, when the pain diminishes, sometimes you don't notice it. But think back and you remember you were hurting. :-) One has to do it diligently at first and then only as a maintenance level. They have a money back guarantee. I buy the Super Blue Stuff! Thom rube2...@hotmail.com writes: Hello All...I was wondering if anyone on the list had any personal knowledge of a product called bluestuff??thanks..Robb _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT - Huntington's disease
Hi Jerry, - I tried to get to that address but no luck. Would you be so kind to give me more details for directions?? Thanks, IK - Original Message - From: Black dbl...@cfl.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: Re: CSOT - Huntington's disease Jerry, I suggest you join a great health group at mr-tracys-corner.com and ask for help .. they seem to have answers for almost everything you can think of. Good luck, nancy... - Original Message - From: Jerry Karl jerry62...@direcpc.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2001 11:53 AM Subject: CSOT - Huntington's disease I have a friend who has Huntington's Disease. Does anyone know of alternative therapies to help alleviate or cure the symptoms ??? He was a brilliant young man who is now just a shadow of who he was. Please help !! Thank you, Jerry Karl --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.311 / Virus Database: 172 - Release Date: 12/27/2001 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScluster headaches
Acmeair wrote: a friend just started a bout with cluster headaches. he has found that O2 helps more that the AMA stuff. anyone on here with any experience with these things? any good herbal remedies?thanks,jim, O+, S Essentially a migraine headache. Take the diet supplement Metabolife 356 The headache should be gone in 10 min.
Re: CSGround Fault Circuit Interrupter
Evening Terry, I have one installed before the rectifier, but it occurs to me that placing the GFCI after the rectifier would save the rectifier in case of a short (I burned one up with a short). I doubt that the conventional GFCI will work properly with a DC input of any type. Reason being the fast solid state switching components, SCR's and SCS's are different that fast DC switching devices. Do you use a Full Wave Bridge? Likely so. If so, you would gain some safety by using an isolation transformer. If I was working with 110 volt DC, I would likely use an isolation transformer. Then of course, a GFCI would be worthless. If you grounded one side or the transformer, you would be back where you started. Very likely you are safe enough as is. As long as you are the only operator the safety is in your hands. No amount of gadgets and safety circuits can replace good sense and everyday safety practices. I hate to say this, but about a week ago I worked all afternoon on a service replacement. We were running temporary power to this panel from the old panel.The meter was pulled to isolate the power company power. ( so we thought ) However, this was a very old panel we were replacing. It had input terminals at the bottom and the top. The main buss fed straight thru under the meter, and the meter being laying on the ground did not interrupt the these busses. Pulling the power company meter only removed power from the terminals coming out the side to the breaker busses. I made several connections to connect this temporary service and the main breakers from the old meter base, even changed the main breaker a time or two. Later I found out that I was working full power off the pole without even a fuse between me and the fault current. If I had not formed my work habits over the years to work everything as if it were hot, I would likely be a statistic now. I never felt a single shock or even saw a tiny arc all afternoon. There are a lot of ways to make things safe. And, at the same time, no matter what all you do to make something safe, it is not. So. safety is always in the hands of the operator. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSimple CS brewing -- CAUTION
Evening Namaste, Reid, I didn't realize you were in UK until I read your last email. With your knowledge of the power system, you likely know about the phone systems in other countries. Is there any standardization of phone line voltages around the world? Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFw: CSSimple CS brewing -- CAUTION
-Original Message- From: robbie renfrow antga...@ptialaska.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Monday, December 31, 2001 10:26 PM Subject: Fw: CSSimple CS brewing -- CAUTION -Original Message- From: Wayne Fugitt wa...@fugitt.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, December 30, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: Re: CSSimple CS brewing -- CAUTION Evening Reid, Was your goal to use 110 VDC? If not... settle for 52 VDC and use the phone line power. The 52 volt phone gen is ideal cheap, safe, and easy to use. Many systems may be better, but not cheaper or more convenient .. or safer. Wayne, What is this 52 volt phone gen? I would really like to know more about this.--Thanks. Jesse -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
