Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Reid: I've done a bit of further research concerning ceramic filters, and I do understand that using a low PPM silver product would not be adequate for such a purpose. I've seen a study where a 50 PPM high quality CS was used for such a purpose, and the results were not satisfactory. As far as the MD's go, my personal opinion is that anyone could use any substance safely ( provided it could be used safely! ) with proper product knowledge... But it is apparently contrary to successful business practices for some of these companies to fully disclose information to their customers. Thus, the ethical solution is to have MD's purchase the substance and supervise use. I would love to see the MD's role switched more to the role of an educator and advisor as far as general health goes. Of course, critical care is an entirely different ball game. Warm Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Dear Jason, Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, also the victims of the dis-information. You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no doctor.' For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch rhinos.) It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self dosage. Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually remote. So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S., for example. But given the climate in third world countries, where self dosing is de rigeur, I think the ethical aspects get thrown out the window. In a fair and just world your wisdom would perhaps prevail. Reid Jason said, Reid: My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse. You'll note that in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was likely MSP only sold the product to doctors... That this doctor then decided to retail it to others is besides the point! There are reasons for this. I consider companies that only sell these high PPM products to doctors ethical companies. I consider companies that do not, unethical, in that all the companies ( all that I have been able to find with similiar products ) do not claim that there is no risk to use. The fact of the matter is, there is no risk to use, provided that the instructions on the label are followed. Judging from the emails I've received over the last two years, there are many people out there using high PPM MSP as if it were electro-colloidal silver; undiluted, and taking amounts that certainly do produce a considerable risk, even if only a cosmetic one. I'm very certain that silver citrate is a bit different than many of the products out there, including the one in a recent post... But the statement
Re: CSNew and intro
Liz writes: Hi,I am brand new to the list. I've been interested in colloidal silver making for some time, and the benefits from it. I look forward to reading your emails. Greetings and welcome to the list, Liz! My husband made a setup a few years ago for electrolysis for removing dirt from ancient coins, so I am interested to find out if this apparatus can be used for colloidal silver. You'll need to tell us what voltage and current it will supply. Also, we'll need to know the tank size and what kind of geometry you'll be able to make up for holding your electrodes in the water. You don't want anything but silver in the water, so alligator clips and the like shouldn't be allowed to get wet. Usually, Low Voltage Direct Current (LVDC) setups run from a few volts to 80 or 100v, with about 30v being common. The current needed is only a few milliamps. To limit particle size and/or maintain a high percentage of ionic content (as opposed to particles) many recent generator designs use some kind of current limiting (a resistor) or current control (some kind of current regulator circuit). You will probably want to dedicate a separate tank to making only CS. Who can tell what kind of contamination you'll get from the old coins and dirt. I also make wire wrapped jewelry from silver wire, so hopefully i'll be able to find all that I need to make such an apparatus. Be absolutely certain you use 'fine' or 'very fine' silver wire of at least .999 purity, and NOT Sterling. You should be able to get that from your jewelry supply if you don't already have some on hand. 12 and 14 gauge round is common, some folks have used strips of 'bezel' wire. Others use .999 fine bars or medallions or pure silver bullion coins like the Canadian Maple Leaf. Sterling, as you know, contains other metals that you do *not* want to be ingesting. Looking forward to talking listening to you all, Have you had any experience yet with using CS? Look forward to hearing your results. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSfinding someone
CSers, I'm trying to locate Terry Chamberlain, but the mailer daemon spits the messages back. Can someone kindly help me with his address? Thanks and namaste. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Dear Jason, Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, also the victims of the dis-information. You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no doctor.' For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch rhinos.) It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self dosage. Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually remote. So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S., for example. But given the climate in third world countries, where self dosing is de rigeur, I think the ethical aspects get thrown out the window. In a fair and just world your wisdom would perhaps prevail. Reid Jason said, Reid: My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse. You'll note that in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was likely MSP only sold the product to doctors... That this doctor then decided to retail it to others is besides the point! There are reasons for this. I consider companies that only sell these high PPM products to doctors ethical companies. I consider companies that do not, unethical, in that all the companies ( all that I have been able to find with similiar products ) do not claim that there is no risk to use. The fact of the matter is, there is no risk to use, provided that the instructions on the label are followed. Judging from the emails I've received over the last two years, there are many people out there using high PPM MSP as if it were electro-colloidal silver; undiluted, and taking amounts that certainly do produce a considerable risk, even if only a cosmetic one. I'm very certain that silver citrate is a bit different than many of
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
I have been using 80PPM CS for two years now, at least thats what I think it is as I have no PPM meter. I usually take an ounce in am and Pm also. So far I have not turned any other color . I did have a client who started using CS and she got grey patches on her elbows, however when she cut back the grey went away. I later found out that she was taking all kinds of drugs for something and I am sure that caused a reaction. In two and a half years of using CS she is the only one who had trouble and she is still using CS today. Tom ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 08:02:54 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re:CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Dear Jason, Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, also the victims of the dis-information. You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no doctor.' For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch rhinos.) It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self dosage. Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually remote. So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S., for example. But given the climate in third world countries, where self dosing is de rigeur, I think the ethical aspects get thrown out the window. In a fair and just world your wisdom would perhaps prevail. Reid Jason said, Reid: My greatest concern with the high PPM solutions is misuse. You'll note that in a previous message, the original company that manufactured what was likely MSP only sold the product to doctors... That this doctor then decided to retail it to others is besides the point! There are reasons for this. I consider
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Are you buying 80ppm CS, or making the CS. Connie From: Tom Mary McFadden m...@axs4u.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:36:38 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:36:59 -0700 I have been using 80PPM CS for two years now, at least thats what I think it is as I have no PPM meter. I usually take an ounce in am and Pm also. So far I have not turned any other color . I did have a client who started using CS and she got grey patches on her elbows, however when she cut back the grey went away. I later found out that she was taking all kinds of drugs for something and I am sure that caused a reaction. In two and a half years of using CS she is the only one who had trouble and she is still using CS today. Tom ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 08:02:54 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re:CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Dear Jason, Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, also the victims of the dis-information. You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no doctor.' For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch rhinos.) It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self dosage. Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually remote. So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S., for example. But given the climate in third world countries, where self dosing is de rigeur, I think the ethical aspects get thrown out the window. In a fair and just world your wisdom would perhaps
Re: CSfinding someone
Reid, Try msi...@yahoo.com Regards, Paul Reid Harvey wrote:CSers, I'm trying to locate Terry Chamberlain, but the mailer daemon spits the messages back. Can someone kindly help me with his address? Thanks and namaste. Reid -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo!
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CSConnie, We make our own . - Original Message - From: Connie To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:14 AM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Are you buying 80ppm CS, or making the CS. Connie From: Tom Mary McFadden m...@axs4u.net Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 09:36:38 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2002 07:36:59 -0700 I have been using 80PPM CS for two years now, at least thats what I think it is as I have no PPM meter. I usually take an ounce in am and Pm also. So far I have not turned any other color . I did have a client who started using CS and she got grey patches on her elbows, however when she cut back the grey went away. I later found out that she was taking all kinds of drugs for something and I am sure that caused a reaction. In two and a half years of using CS she is the only one who had trouble and she is still using CS today. Tom ---Original Message--- From: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, September 29, 2002 08:02:54 To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re:CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Dear Jason, Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, also the victims of the dis-information. You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no doctor.' For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch rhinos.) It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries have to
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Ok, I'm puzzled, why would you drink sea salt and bentonite clay? TIA, paula -- mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com --when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot lands in the sh** first. -Heris Serrano - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82 minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and cleanse liver and kidneys. (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters of fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.) I've been doing the bentonite for about five years, and am just about ready to discontinue it, as soon as my supply is used up, because I think 5 years of cleansing should make my liver and kidneys shine in the dark. - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Ok, I'm puzzled, why would you drink sea salt and bentonite clay? TIA, paula -- mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com --when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot lands in the sh** first. -Heris Serrano - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Bill: I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases. The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein. One was caused by the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily. One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria was caused by Water Oz. The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver Protein. Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria. I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted. The individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years. Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that is more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the body; the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit, and liver functions are greatly supported. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Dear Jason, Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, also the victims of the dis-information. You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no doctor.' For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch rhinos.) It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors around the world tend to warn their volunteers about the hazards of self prescription/ self dosage. Then they give the volunteers prescription drugs, like antibiotics, prior to their going to their various postings, usually remote. So I may see your point about unethical sales of high ppm in the U.S., for example. But given the
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
But silver chloride and mild silver protein are not true collodial silver, correct? - Original Message - From: SilverMedicine.org silvermedic...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Bill: I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases. The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein. One was caused by the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily. One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria was caused by Water Oz. The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver Protein. Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria. I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted. The individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years. Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that is more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the body; the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit, and liver functions are greatly supported. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Dear Jason, Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, also the victims of the dis-information. You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no doctor.' For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch rhinos.) It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries have
RE: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Please explain further the statement: the mild Argyria was caused by Water Oz. Dennis -Original Message- From: SilverMedicine.org [mailto:silvermedic...@silvermedicine.org] Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 1:24 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Bill: I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases. The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein. One was caused by the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily. One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria was caused by Water Oz. The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver Protein. Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria. I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted. The individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years. Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that is more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the body; the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit, and liver functions are greatly supported. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Dear Jason, Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, also the victims of the dis-information. You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no doctor.' For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch rhinos.) It would be interesting to know how Mexicans fare at the business of self treatment with Microdyn. I suppose I have not tuned in sooner to your concern about improper dosage simply because, CS in any shape or form is considered improper by most doctors, misquided as their viewpoint may be. So it may appear that the laymen need to hazard their own dosing, dependent on their own good instincts in seeking proper advice. Of course your concern about a doctor's supervision would extend to many kinds of remedies and not only those of CS. But what with lack of medical facilites, educated people in third world countries have to make do. For example, peace corps doctors
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Bill: In my opinion, correct! However, that said, I'm not exactly certain what Microdyn is, as I've never researched it. High PPM colloidal silvers are rarely isolated silver... Usually they are compounds, either silver salts or silver proteins. The higher the PPM, the harder it is to stabilize CS without some sort of stabilizer. Jason - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 10:48 AM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS But silver chloride and mild silver protein are not true collodial silver, correct? - Original Message - From: SilverMedicine.org silvermedic...@silvermedicine.org To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Bill: I've corresponded with three individuals over the last year who have developed Argyria, and I'm aware of two other cases. The two other cases were caused by Mild Silver Protein. One was caused by the mass consumption of poorly made silver chloride for five years daily. One actually posted to the list earlier this year, and the mild Argyria was caused by Water Oz. The third was also caused by consuming Mild Silver Protein. Not everyone, apparently, is at the same level of risk for Argyria. I don't consider ten drops of CS excessive use, even undiluted. The individual whom developed severe Argyria consumed either eight or sixteen ounces of CS daily, religously, for five years. Those who consume bentonite regularly will likely have a metabolism that is more capable of processing any number of toxic substances used in the body; the body's elimination system is well cared for with such a habit, and liver functions are greatly supported. Kind Regards, Jason - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 6:02 AM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. - Original Message - From: Reid Harvey pott...@wlink.com.np To: silver list silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 8:55 PM Subject: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Dear Jason, Thanks for your very thoughtful message. I can see your point that it would be best for concentrated CS to be administered by a doctor. But how ironic that the vast majority of otherwise-reliable, western educated doctors would appear to tend not to accept the validity of CS, also the victims of the dis-information. You asked about the possibility of my having a comparison done on the high ppm CS I make, to see how effective it really is, and I will hope to do that at some point in the future. But at present I use this CS primarily to saturate ceramic candle filters, all of which have tested 100% removal of fecal coliforms. I use the high ppm secondarily for various treatments on my family while traveling, 'where there is no doctor.' For example, my wife Catherine had a very nasty bout of strep throat while we were in a Nepali game park, far from any clinic. She had had this kind of severe strep several times before, only going to the doctor after it hit her like a ton of bricks, and each time she'd go on antibiotics and be laid up in bed for nearly a week. While in the game park, when seh finally admitted that it was severe strep (her throat red) we put her on a careful regime of the labelled-3200ppm Microdyn, diluted to ~20ppm, a 200ml. glass every four hours. By the second glass she was already feeling better and no further bed rest was indicated, so she didn't miss out on any of the fun activities of the family. (We subsequently rode an elephant out to a place where we could watch rhinos.) It
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Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone consuming bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox! However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the total lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm. Where would one get food grade bentonite clay? Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry if that is terminally dumb!) again, TIA, paula -- mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com --when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot lands in the sh** first. -Heris Serrano - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82 minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and cleanse liver and kidneys. (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters of fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Bentonite clay is used primarily (in the U.S. anyway) for facial clay beauty pack application, because of its well-known ability to cleanse and detox through its high absorption characteristic (which is the same way it deodorizes cat boxes). I use a variety made for beauty use, because it is ground to an extremely fine powder. - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone consuming bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox! However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the total lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm. Where would one get food grade bentonite clay? Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry if that is terminally dumb!) again, TIA, paula -- mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com --when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot lands in the sh** first. -Heris Serrano - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82 minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and cleanse liver and kidneys. (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters of fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
I just read the last half of your message, and I dont think that's a bad observation at all (about mixing CS and salt). It may even be true. But it goes beyond what happens in the stomach, for I mix the two together in a base mix which often takes months to deplete. Maybe I am making silver chloride by doing so. It certainly is worth thinking about. However, the issue is one best addressed by some of the finer minds on this list, for my chemistry expertise is very limited. Non-existent would be more accurate. - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone consuming bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox! However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the total lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm. Where would one get food grade bentonite clay? Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry if that is terminally dumb!) again, TIA, paula -- mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com --when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot lands in the sh** first. -Heris Serrano - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82 minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and cleanse liver and kidneys. (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters of fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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I correct myself: Bentonite clay is primarily used in the U.S. for oil well drilling operations, as a slurry which is pumped into the well. It is also used in beauty packs. The brand I use (internally) is (get this) Aztec Secret / Indian Healing Clay -- World's Most Powerful Facial/Deep Pore Cleansing! The clay is mined in Death Valley, CA. I paid $5.75 for a one-pound container at a Chinese alternative nutrition drug store in New York City. - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:34 PM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Bentonite clay is used primarily (in the U.S. anyway) for facial clay beauty pack application, because of its well-known ability to cleanse and detox through its high absorption characteristic (which is the same way it deodorizes cat boxes). I use a variety made for beauty use, because it is ground to an extremely fine powder. - Original Message - From: sol pcar...@wyoming.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, September 29, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS Well, that is extremely interesting as I had never heard of anyone consuming bentonite clay, unless they inhaled some while cleaning the catbox! However, I am violently allergic to iodine, yet worry whether the total lack of it in my diet for the last 17 years is causing harm. Where would one get food grade bentonite clay? Also, if you drink/ eat salty stuff at or near the time you take your CS does the CS react with salt in the stomach to form silver chloride? (Sorry if that is terminally dumb!) again, TIA, paula -- mailto: pcar...@wyoming.com --when you haven't any other place to step, it doesn't matter which foot lands in the sh** first. -Heris Serrano - Original Message - From: Bill Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx I drink very mild mixture, with pure unprocessed sea salt for the 82 minerals and trace elements it contains, and bentonite clay to detox and cleanse liver and kidneys. (The mix is two tablespoons of each in two liters of water, with two tablespoons of the mix diluted in two liters of fresh water, so it is a very mild dose.) -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSlugol's iodine
found some lugol's iodine. reagents, inc. reagents.com.100ml, $8.50, 500ml, 16.50, and iodine-potassium iodide, 1 ltr, 16.50. both solutions look like they have the same specs. jim
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Bill Missett wrote: There seems to be a major shift in philosophy developing here. Until this discussion began, the dominant Silver List thought was that CS could NOT cause arygria. Now we are hearing that high strength CS CAN cause argyria. Is there any evidence to support this contention? I am not certain it has shifted. The problem is likely that the 500 ppm CS that is sold is really not cs, but MSP, and we do know that msp can cause argyria. So if you call 500 ppm msp colloial silver, then yes it can, but if you say it is not really CS, then I know of no known cases of it causing argyria. I do believe that silver can deposit in growing tissue even when using fairly large quantities of low ppm CS. I have evidence of this in my finger nails which are now growing out, and a blue area is growing out with them from when I was drinking quarts a day for something for a week or so. There are also reports of gray hair darkening when taking CS, which is likely do to the same thing, since hair and fingernails are almost identical composition. Now that tends to raise the questions of whether some deposit may end up when something is healing. I have never heard any evidence of this, but it does seem possible. I have been consuming Microdyn CS, whatever its strength is, for six years, at times heavily, straight out of the bottle into my mouth. During a bout of Australian flu three years ago, I drank 10 drops of Microdyn every hour, right out of the bottle, for three straight days. (There were elderly people dying in NYC from that flu, and I didn't want to be one of them.) Additionally, my drinking water is a prepared mix of sea salt, bentonite clay and Microdyn, which I consume daily. I have never had any adverse reactions to this practice, and consider Microdyn safe for consumption undiluted. If I turn blue, I'll let you know. So far the only part of me that's blue is my eyes. The only place I have seen it show up is in the finger nails, and darkening of the hair. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT..Third World Medical Protocol...
OR/AND ..first world medical dictate. Dear list. While living on an island in the Bay Islands of Honduras CA a few years ago I had a minor medical problem which was solved by being sent off with several vials of medication and an equal number of syringes, by a lady MD. The instructions were mostly by sign language due to my poor command of spanish. I guess she didn't know that in the U.S. we are assumed to be inept to give ourself a shot in the bumm.. Or perhaps there is another reason that I should return to the Doc's office six times had I been in the U.S. of A. Seems to me there is incongruity, in that we are so well educated and yet well I'm sure you get the point. On a side note.. I've had a great Doc. over the years that would give me anything I wanted to take with me on my travels. I've always given these drugs to the folks I've met when leaving them behind to deal with it... I'm yet to have not cried as I escaped, I've wondered if the sorrow came from guilt of being able to leave it all behind,while knowing they didn't have the choice of us being born White in the USA On one occasion I had a full spectrum antibot. with me- that I think- save my butt while living in Patan [Kathmandu valley, Nepal]... Lord only knows what I'd contracted, but it was a week from hell. Didn't know of CS at the time. Gosh, I wonder why? ..being from a first world country. Reid.. what are you up to in Nepal? I enjoyed your post a while back when you were in India. Try and come up with a way to filter the air pollution !! The Kathmandu valley which has been referred to as earths navel is becoming the asshole due to the use of oil. I hung out a while with a Major in the Nepal army who felt pollution is a sign of progress for Nepal ... best I could ever tell he was sincere! I have often wondered if CS would be effective with leprosy- which is to say the least- a problem in Nepal. While leprosy is curable with long term multi.antibio. the infrastructure and follow thru is poor. I use to have contact with a W.H.O. DR. in Pokara that ran the Leprosy clinic there. At the time I was unaware of CS,so we never had that dialog. Keep doing GOOD Ried.. you are an inspiration... as are many on this fine list of caring folks... Namaste larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSlugol's iodine
Acmeair wrote: found some lugol's iodine. reagents, inc. reagents.com.100ml, $8.50, 500ml, 16.50, and iodine-potassium iodide, 1 ltr, 16.50. both solutions look like they have the same specs. jim http://www.altcancer.com/lugols.htm 7.95 4fl.oz. The Thyroid, Iodine Disease Prevention The role of the thyroid gland has been understood for some time now. Although conventional medicine places emphasis on its contribution to regulating the body's metabolism, an equally important role is its contribution to the immunological health of the body. This organ's thyroid cells are the only ones in the body capable of absorbing iodine, an important mineral nutrient and potent germ killer - (though 80% of the less than 25 mg. of iodine in the body is found elswhere, primarily in muscle and bone, extracellularly - the thyroid has a concentration of iodine that is over 1,000 times greater than that found in muscle tissue.) In terms of immunology, the thyroid gland acts as a gatekeeper: every 17 minutes all the blood in the body passes through the thyroid, where this gland's secretion of iodine kills germs that have come into the body (through absorption of food in the digestive tract, skin injury, respiratory intake, etc.) Pathogenic micro-organisms, the primary causative agent for disease in the body, are made weaker during their passage through the thyroid gland. With each 17 minute passage they are made still weaker until most are killed, provided the thyroid has its normal supply of iodine. We know from clinical
CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
Jason, I'm aware that Microdyn uses perhaps 1% silver protein but in my experience with high ppm CS the stabilizers may not be necessary. i.e. thus far I find that I can make/ store CS that's upto ~300ppm without the requirement of any compound. I did have one batch go unstable overnight and precipitate to the oxide, due to the presence of an electromagnetic field. That batch was in close proximity, about seven feet from both a ceiling fan and a recharging cell phone. One or the other of these devices caused the problem. Of course Microdyn would probably want to prevent a similar result by using the silver protein (which others here have described as 'harmless as a hamburger'), but I simply avoid the instability by storing away from the EM fields. Incidentally, having lived around Africa and South Asia for nearly twenty years, and now understanding a bit about argyria, I'm increasingly aware that many (if not most) of the poor in the third world wouldn't care a hoot about contracting this cosmetic condition. Comparably we see many people of color who have a condition in which their melanin has basically gone away, causing patchiness where they have color and where they are white/ pink. But various forms of disfigurement are also common place, those who suffer from these tending to be stoic or even unconcerned. (I remember a neighbor in Liberia, when speaking of her husband who was severely disfigured, she said, 'it's the body God gave him!' She was blown away that anyone would have a problem accepting him due to his appearance.) I think that folks in such parts of the third world would have no problem with someone suffering from argyria and I for one am not afraid of it. Of course I do not believe myself to be following any practice that would bring argyria on, nor would I encourage this. But ironically the acceptability of others' appearance may be one way in which the third world is a better place to be than the west: in the socioeconomic millieu of the poor, people are accepting of their neighbors' appearance, not hung up on being pretty, slim, whatever. In any event I am increasingly incredulous that there should be so much emphasis on this cosmetic problem, that it appears to completely overshadow the benefits of CS. It's my two cents and I sincerely hope it does not offend. I do know that conditions are a bit different in Europe and the U.S. Reid Jason said: Bill: In my opinion, correct! However, that said, I'm not exactly certain what Microdyn is, as I've never researched it. High PPM colloidal silvers are rarely isolated silver... Usually they are compounds, either silver salts or silver proteins. The higher the PPM, the harder it is to stabilize CS without some sort of stabilizer. Jason -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT: Query from CS list memeber...
Dear Larry, This is totally unrelated to the CS List, but I was wondering if you might be related to any Tankersleys in Arkansas? Just genealogical curiosity... Kindest regards, ='leigh Leigh Thames -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT: Bentonite Clay
For those interested learning more about bentonite clay, this link has more info: http://www.relfe.com/Pascalite.html Regards Hanneke/Australia From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 7:53 AM Subject: silver-digest Digest V102 #709 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSreply from a company selling 500ppm CS
AS a fairly new person to the list, I have an observation. The Subject shown in this particular message has been around since I joined the list. However, the actual topic has been changed multiple times. If possible, can we change the subject line when the subject changes? I receive hundreds of e-mails a day. When I see the same subject line over and over, I have a tendency to delete. I have a feeling I have missed some good messages. I think this might be helpful. However, I could be wrong. grin Rick Johnson AOL IM Rebelfire77 Conservative Christian News Network ccnn-subscr...@injesus.com = God's love for poor sinners is very wonderful, but God's patience with ill-natured saints is a deeper mystery. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSafford to get a good generator
Jillian writes: Yes, I am confused by all this ppm business, and the fear of turning blue or grey or whatever.i just want to take colloidal silver for maintence and stronger doses for sicknesswith all the info how could I be a little unsteady in my thinking.i do appreciate the list and continue to learn. thanks much. Hang in there, Jillian! The simplest to make CS may not be perfect but continues to work for a lot of folks. Silver rods in a glass of distilled water, some hookup wire and alligator clips and three 9-volt batteries will take you farther along the path to success than all the improvements you will make later! The refinements will make a generator easier to run and the product more consistent... both of which are fine goals... but your aim ought to be to start making CS and refine things as you go on. If you can afford $100 - $150, plus or minus a few, then you can hold out for some niceties like current regulation and auto-shut-off. Folks here will give you some recommendations, I'm sure. Yet you can also get started with as little as $30 worth of parts if you assemble your own, and *that* design is simple to do. Just ask Marshalee! She's no techie, but has been doing it for years. The debate over the high ppm products is interesting but not really crucial to what you want to be working on right now. Simply made CS, at 5 to 15 ppm, will be enough for the basic needs you mention. For acute problems, some other tricks may be useful -- H202, DMSO, MSM, nebulizers, IV administration, Gatorade or Ringer's lactate, and so on -- but a surprising number of people never need to go that far, staying healthy with a few ounces a few times a week, and an extra 'slug' when they feel something coming on... It's that simple. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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On Sun, 29 Sep 2002 19:10:58 -0400, Rick Johnson rebelf...@juno.com wrote: The Subject shown in this particular message has been around since I joined the list. However, the actual topic has been changed multiple times. If possible, can we change the subject line when the subject changes? I receive hundreds of e-mails a day. When I see the same subject line over and over, I have a tendency to delete. I have a feeling I have missed some good messages. I think this might be helpful. However, I could be wrong. grin Nice try! Good luck! Won't happen. It's a universal phenomenon! Chuck I love my attitude problem . -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT: Query from CS list memeber...
My apologies... my previous message was supposed to be off-list. 'leigh -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CScompany i found today
PREToday i went to our local healthfood organic grocery and checked to see if they had colloidal silver..found a product that was 500ppm and the label read dont take more than ten days as a possible side effect is argyria, a skin condition than effects the color of the skin (my words)i was so put off i didnt even look at the other brand. It was a 4 oz bottle and suggested use was half teaspoon twice a day if i remember right. I usually by my colloidal silver from www.homecure.com but am always looking for another place to get it from until i can afford to get a good generator. I am reading with interest all suggestions and I appreciate this list. The product I say today had a web site listedwww.inponline.com but the only silver they show is for pets and it is 100ppm.. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CS and Brain Barrier
Dear Listers: Some time ago I posted a question as to the use of DMSO in weakening the Brain Barrier against CS. Is it true that CS will NOT cross the Barrier by itself? Can anyone tell me where to research this situation. I have a friend who is a new user of CS that wants to know. Thanks if anyone can help, Thom
CSafford to get a good generator
Evening BungaloJil, It was a 4 oz bottle and suggested use was half teaspoon twice a day if i remember right. I usually by my colloidal silver from www.homecure.com but am always looking for another place to get it from until i can afford to get a good generator. I think you have been confused and overwhelmed by the technical aspect of Colloidal Silver. You reference a good generator. Where have you seen a bad generator? If you are holding out until you find and purchase the best generator, you will never get a generator. Actually, they are about a dime a dozen. If you are a non technical person, surely you have a friend or acquaintance who does in fact savvy technical devices. People that understand these devices are so plentiful, you could not go thru a day without running into a dozen or more. I urge you to pick just any old generator and get busy learning about making CS so you can use more than a teaspoonful per day. Likely you will spend many times the cost of a generator buying per packaged CS. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSafford to get a good generator
hello wayne Gee, i hope you arent picking on me over choice of words yes, i am looking for a 'good' generator..i am alone and have no clue or technical ability. Perhaps I should have said...as good a generator as I can afford.. everyone wants a good generator or a good doctor or go to a good school.gee, who would pick a bad one of anything..its just a turn of the phrase, part of our casualness of language. Yes, I am confused by all this ppm business, and the fear of turning blue or grey or whatever.i just want to take colloidal silver for maintence and stronger doses for sicknesswith all the info how could I be a little unsteady in my thinking.i do appreciate the list and continue to learn. thanks much. Jillian -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS and Brain Barrier
There are some claims that it does not cross the barrier. I think I was the first on the list to support that view. But I am not certain it is proven. See: http://educate-yourself.org/cs/csfaq.shtml, http://www.quantumbalancing.com/csfq.htm, http://www.n-ergetics.com/FAQ.html and http://colloidalsilver.hypermart.net/silver/faq.html Silver can be toxic to nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord, but is normally prevented from entering those areas by the blood-brain barrier. http://www.biogenesis.co.za/pi-silver.asp and http://www.antiaging-systems.com/apruses/silveroral.htm WARNINGS: There are no known adverse side effects from the use of Silvicidal 350, as none have been reported by any user of the product. Toxicity studies done on animals using extremely high concentrations have not produced any adverse side effects. Although no side effects have been reported, side effects could occur, and if the user feels that some side effect has occurred from the use of this product, the user should contact their physician immediately. There is scientific evidence that the use of citric acid may cause certain products ingested to cross the blood brain barrier Therefore, to avoid this possibility, unless authorized or prescribed by physician, it is best to avoid citric acid products (like orange or grapefruit juice) within one half hour before or after ingesting any dietary supplement or medication. Now, that one is a surprise for me. It suggests to not take juices within one half hour of taking silver. So, the implication is that silver normally does not cross the barrier, but silver citrate does. Hmmm. Marshall ol...@aol.com wrote: Dear Listers: Some time ago I posted a question as to the use of DMSO in weakening the Brain Barrier against CS. Is it true that CS will NOT cross the Barrier by itself? Can anyone tell me where to research this situation. I have a friend who is a new user of CS that wants to know. Thanks if anyone can help, Thom
