Re: CSRe: the blue senator
Hi Ian, Bill and all, I had thought that Stan's FAQ about his CS experience had been posted here, but I guess not. So ... here it is. On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:50:19 -0400, Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com wrote: The fact is, the CNN picture on the internet doesn't have the same color scheme as other contemporary pictures on the internet of the same man. Stan Jones' FAQ: Here's my standard response. I think it answers most of your questions. Don't stop what you're doing. Colloidal silver has been so completely researched that we know it is very safe. Many people don't see any difference in my skin. This news blast started because a reporter who saw me in a debate in Great Falls, Montana interviewed me and published a story with a doctored photo (made my face decidedly blue). The associated press picked the story up and put it all on the Internet. To answer your questions: 1) I use a generator with three nine-volt batteries connected in series (27 volts D.C.); 2) I started taking colloidal silver in Seattle where the tap water is generally free from minerals. I added a few drops of salt water to improve the conductivity. When I moved to Montana 1998, I continued to use tap water but here it is full of minerals. I never had it tested. 3) I made my solution in an eight ounce paper cup, conducting the current for one hour. I then added one half of this solution to two gallons of drinking water that I kept in my refrigerator. I have no idea what the PPM of this solution was. 4) I drank my water over the entire day , but mostly in the evening after work. I have no idea how much I drank during any day. 5) I never filtered the solution. 6) People began to tell me my complexion was getting pale or green or blue. I never noticed the difference in my mirror every day. I did notice that under my finger nails was turning blue -- like a lack of oxygen. That's probably the first sign. No other part of my body shows any indications. I hope this is helpful. I know that I am an unusual case -- only the second or third case to be reported. If you are as careful as you indicate, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Stay healthy. You are with millions of other Americans that take silver. Here's a good web site to visit www.silver100.com. Best wishes Yours for good health and freedom Stan Jones, Libertarian Candidate for the U.S. Senate -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS production - water uncertainty
I have only recently started to study CS production, and I am uncertain what to think about the various waters I am testing. I know what I see, but not what to conclude from it. I would be grateful if one or some of the experts here could take a look at my parameters! Before I started buying things, I studied CS theory, devices etc. on the internet. I spent about a week fulltime, simply reading everything which Google would give me. I also bought an e-book with a lot of interesting background data. After that, I created my setup. Please bear with my European units, I hope you can translate them to US units! I use not the ~ 250 ml which would be 8 ounces of water, but 600 ml of water, because here I have lots of perfect and free glass bottles and I can keep a constant setup without having to frequently rethink processing times. My silver is a 999 fine silver rod, 3 mm diameter, especially produced for me at our national agency for precious metals (Oegussa). I use four 9 V rechargeable batteries which should give me 36 V, but the actual output is more like 32 - 33 V. I have a meter built in with a scale from 0 to 100 mA, and for water testing I use a second one, a multi-meter which has a setting with a 0 - 0.5 mA scale. Instead of using the wildly varying production time settings given in the literature, I stop the process at a certain current mark, which is 7 mA. I got that from a URL which I have recently seen on this list, saying that about 1 mA per cm2 of wet electrode (I assume one electrode, not both) are the upper limit. I have 7 cm of wet electrode; at 3 mm diameter they have roughly 1 cm2 surface per cm of length. The second meter with the 0.5 mA scale gives me a clue about the water conductivity at the start of the process (I have no other way to evaluate the water quality). I had been warned by the literature that what says distilled water on the label is most probably not actually distilled, but created by some kind of ion exchange machinery. So while I was testing various distilled waters, I also ordered a Waterwise 4000 water distiller (that decision came after I found out that my best available water, Aqua bidest from the pharmacy which is even OKed for intravenous solutions, would cost me 3,71 a liter...!) Here is why I am confused and uncertain what to think: The water with the highest conductivity seems to give me the best CS, at least if I judge from the literature I have studied. I have only the ampere-meter to judge conductivity. The following waters have been tested. I give you their names with the mA I read at process start (the water has room temperature): METRO (a supermarket) water (don't use for medical purposes) 0.30 mA BIPA (another supermarket) water 0.32 mA PURIFIED WATER (locally made in our pharmacy) 0.35 mA AQUA BIDEST (sterile in infusion bottles) 0.16 mA WATERWISE 1 (self-distilled, once) 4 mA WATERWISE 2 (self-distilled, twice) 0,48 mA (just out of curiosity I also tested tap water conductivity: 50 mA !!! ) I tested METRO, BIPA, PURIFIED WATER and AQUA BIDEST while my Waterwise distiller was in the mail. I seemed to get reasonable CS out of all these waters. It had a golden color and the taste was about the same I tasted in a bottle of CS which I had bought at 40,- for 100 ml at my naturopath's practice. BUT I never saw any golden silver cloud hover between the electrodes. Instead, I got a feathery blackish buildup on the negative electrode, looking like a christmas tree, and a dark brown cover on the positive electrode. In some waters, the stuff would not attach itself to the negative electrode but first travel to it and then sink to the bottom. After settling for two or three days, the remaining fluid would be golden and clear and show me a faint tindall effect. When my distiller arrived, I went to work with great enthusiasm, thinking that now I had the real thing. Great was also my disappointment when I saw that with 4 mA at process start, my water obviously was not of the quality I needed. I reached my 7 mA already after 15 minutes (normally about 1 hour 20 minutes), didn't wait any longer and threw that batch away. I decided to double-distill. Now I had 0.48 mA at process start. And oh wonder, for the first time ever I saw the famous silver cloud build up between the electrodes. The negative electrode remained absolutely clean, from the positive electrode I saw a fine dark brown dust sink down to the bottom. That batch reached 7 mA at 1 hour 10 minutes. The flashlight still showed me the silver cloud hovering in the water when I put it up on the shelf for settling. That was in the evening; in the morning the liquid was crystal clear (no golden color) with only a little brown dust at the bottle bottom. Now I am confused what to think. The WATERWISE 2 process looked cleanest, but it had the highest starting conductivity of all the waters I tested. Do I have silver salts in it now? And what happened with the
Re: CSIan's piece on CS
...we desperately need to get CS to the third world...-Reid- ..nor can we produce a cadre of CS mercenaries who will go from town to town in Central Nowhere and do this for us...-Bill- Seems like there's plenty of 3rd world conditions right here in the US, too. Maybe the homeless and the street-people, having much to gain, could be a factor? jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Argyria Clears Up
On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 16:48:07 -0700 (PDT), Paul Ladendorf paulldn...@yahoo.com wrote: I had a customer tell me the other day that her mother was using cs (don't know any details) and contracted argyria. She said her face was definitely blue but a couple months after she stopped using cs it went away. She is going to get me more details and maybe a phone number so I can talk to her first hand. Who knows maybe I could get her on the list. Oooh. The going away part is most interesting. I'd sure like to find out what she eats that's out of the ordinary. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSBritish Columbia on silver toxicity guidelines
Hi Dean, It's true that silver chloride etc. are less effective against pathogens, at least in the test tube, but whether the it is 300 times less effective cannot really be taken from this article. What they are reporting is the reaction of silver ions with the gills (I assume) of flathead minnows, which can result in the death of these fish. The availability of silver ions systemically in mammals, when introduced as silver salts or proteins, depends primarily on redox reactions between these and the attractive sites on the pathogen. In other words, how strongly the silver is bound to protein or as a salt vs. the pulling power of the (mainly) sulfhydryl groups upon bacterial cell walls. As thiosulphate is one of the reagents used to complex silver for uv/vis spectrographic concentration assays, it is not surprising that it has a very powerful bond and is 17,500 times less toxic than free silver ions, but it looks like silver will give up chloride in favour of sulphide and so may be available as a anti-bacterial. I guess that is somewhat obvious, considering that cs made with salt reportedly has positive results. Ivan -Original Message- From: Dean Miller [mailto:dtmil...@midiowa.net] Sent: Saturday, 12 October 2002 8:33 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSBritish Columbia on silver toxicity guidelines On Fri, 11 Oct 2002 22:36:05 -0700, jrowl...@nctimes.net wrote: http://wlapwww.gov.bc.ca/wat/wq/BCguidelines/silver.html Good find, Mike! There's a really interesting paragraph near the bottom of the page. It reads: The effect of speciation on the acute and chronic toxicity of silver was compared using the fathead minnow as the test organism. Silver sulfide, silver thiosulfate and silver chloride were compared to the silver ion, added as silver nitrate. The tests were flow-through in soft water at 25 degrees C. Silver chloride was found to be 300 times less toxic, silver sulfide was 15,000 times less toxic, and silver thiosulfate was 17,500 times less toxic than silver nitrate. This could be another reason not to add salt to distilled water to speed up the process, if it's 300 times less effective against microorganisms. -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS production - water uncertainty
Hi Heidrun On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 07:59:03 GMT, Heidrun Beer conc...@atnet.at wrote: snip of lots of good data on production setup Here is why I am confused and uncertain what to think: The water with the highest conductivity seems to give me the best CS, at least if I judge from the literature I have studied. I have only the ampere-meter to judge conductivity. The following waters have been tested. I give you their names with the mA I read at process start (the water has room temperature): METRO (a supermarket) water (don't use for medical purposes) 0.30 mA BIPA (another supermarket) water 0.32 mA PURIFIED WATER (locally made in our pharmacy) 0.35 mA AQUA BIDEST (sterile in infusion bottles) 0.16 mA WATERWISE 1 (self-distilled, once) 4 mA WATERWISE 2 (self-distilled, twice) 0,48 mA (just out of curiosity I also tested tap water conductivity: 50 mA !!! ) I assume you're using the 32 volt source to test the current. If that's true, then all except the self-distilled, once water is good, and even that water is acceptable. If the Waterwise distiller has a carbon filter, did you remove it (or use it to filter the water before the water was used in the distiller)? Carbon filters can add minerals to distilled water. I tested METRO, BIPA, PURIFIED WATER and AQUA BIDEST while my Waterwise distiller was in the mail. I seemed to get reasonable CS out of all these waters. It had a golden color and the taste was about the same I tasted in a bottle of CS which I had bought at 40,- for 100 ml at my naturopath's practice. BUT I never saw any golden silver cloud hover between the electrodes. The best colloidal silver is uncolored clear, not yellow. And if you see a silver cloud it means the process is using too much current. Instead, I got a feathery blackish buildup on the negative electrode, looking like a christmas tree, and a dark brown cover on the positive electrode. In some waters, the stuff would not attach itself to the negative electrode but first travel to it and then sink to the bottom. The black is oxidized silver, and a feathery buildup (as opposed to an even black coating) implies a slightly high current at times. The brown cover is silver surrounding microscopic hydrogen bubbles. Neither is bad for you. After settling for two or three days, the remaining fluid would be golden and clear and show me a faint tindall effect. The golden color says the particles are probably larger than the best CS generators produce. But it's still quite good CS -- just not the best. :) You can produce better CS by putting a 4 position switch between the batteries and the electrodes so you can switch the voltage from 32 volts to 24 volts when the current reaches 5 mA, and then switch to 16 volts when it again reaches 5 mA, and then switch to 8 volts until done. It will take longer to make the CS, but the particles will be finer. When my distiller arrived, I went to work with great enthusiasm, thinking that now I had the real thing. You do have the real thing. But it's not the best you can do with your equipment. Great was also my disappointment when I saw that with 4 mA at process start, my water obviously was not of the quality I needed. I reached my 7 mA already after 15 minutes (normally about 1 hour 20 minutes), didn't wait any longer and threw that batch away. Even that batch of CS can be used externally. And it wouldn't have hurt you to drink. I decided to double-distill. Now I had 0.48 mA at process start. And oh wonder, for the first time ever I saw the famous silver cloud build up between the electrodes. The negative electrode remained absolutely clean, from the positive electrode I saw a fine dark brown dust sink down to the bottom. That batch reached 7 mA at 1 hour 10 minutes. The flashlight still showed me the silver cloud hovering in the water when I put it up on the shelf for settling. That was in the evening; in the morning the liquid was crystal clear (no golden color) with only a little brown dust at the bottle bottom. That's more like it, but with 32 volts still driving the process at 7 mA, the silver particles popping off the electrode would still be larger than the best processes. But ... the CS will be very effective. Now I am confused what to think. The WATERWISE 2 process looked cleanest, but it had the highest starting conductivity of all the waters I tested. Do I have silver salts in it now? And what happened with the other batches? With the length of time you're taking to process, you might want to add a stirring mechanism to your generator. The easiest/cheapest in most places is an air pump such as those used for small fish aquariums. A small stream of bubbles will gently move the water around to break up the silver cloud you see (which could give you a false reading on the meter, as the meter is measuring the path through the silver cloud). Other methods of stirring are also acceptable as long as the stirring is very slow and gentle and
RE: CSre: silver toxicity
There is a famous congressional report that supposedly proves that the soil has been leached of minerals in the last 100 years or so. All minerals have their origins in rock, and rock dust (of the appropriate kind) is the best fertiliser. Humic acids (notably fulvic) are powerful solvents, which leach out rock bound minerals, sequester them, and transport them in run-off and the water table for great distances. Plants absorb these minerals from the leachate and use them as part of their growth cycle. Certain plants have an affinity for silver, mushrooms and wheat come to mind, and hence silver finds its way into our diet. I am not sure that current populations are more healthy than previous, indeed, the incidence of cancer, obesity and heart disease are at epidemic proportions... but as you say, it comes down to diet. Regards Ivan -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, 13 October 2002 4:51 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSre: silver toxicity How do ancestors get silver from soil when silver is a precious metal because of its rarity? Maybe some ancestors got some and maybe thay were healthier than many other ancestors, most of whom lived for about 40 years. There's something about wearing yourself out with hard labor or getting killed young in a very dangerous world that tends to prevent old age related disease. Does a shrew ever get cancer? Would you, if you starved to death at 35 or got run over by a bison? There's organic soil [mulch, humus etc] and inorganic soil [mineral, ground up rock] Minerals leaching from mineral soil? Wouldn't you be left with plain old rock? [chock full of minerals] Since when is any given area of rock the same as any other area? Does granite have the same silver content as quarts? [Or the same radioactive trace elements?] Has anyone made a chemical comparison between foods from 100 yrs ago and today? [I think not] I dunno, My BS-o-meter is screaming modern myth. If people are vitamin deficient, it's probably because they don't eat right...not that many of our ancestors did either. Seen a case of scurvy or rickets lately? Goiters? Ken -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBritish Columbia on silver toxicity guidelines
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:24:31 +1300, Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz wrote: It's true that silver chloride etc. are less effective against pathogens, at least in the test tube, but whether the it is 300 times less effective cannot really be taken from this article. What they are reporting is the reaction of silver ions with the gills (I assume) of flathead minnows, which can result in the death of these fish. That's true. But it is an indication. :) As thiosulphate is one of the reagents used to complex silver for uv/vis spectrographic concentration assays, it is not surprising that it has a very powerful bond and is 17,500 times less toxic than free silver ions, but it looks like silver will give up chloride in favour of sulphide and so may be available as a anti-bacterial. I guess that is somewhat obvious, considering that cs made with salt reportedly has positive results. Probably even the sulfide versions are effective (notice the combining of CS with MSM that has been discussed here). -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS production - water uncertainty
Hi Dean, thanks a lot, that helped me understand things! On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 04:30:48 -0500, Dean Miller wrote in v1eiquo1r0g0t5j4qtb5j1q8vov6eba...@4ax.com: I assume you're using the 32 volt source to test the current. Yes. If that's true, then all except the self-distilled, once water is good, and even that water is acceptable. If the Waterwise distiller has a carbon filter, did you remove it (or use it to filter the water before the water was used in the distiller)? Carbon filters can add minerals to distilled water. Ooo...! Didn't know that. It is in the machine like designed, i.e. after the water has been distilled. I'll take it out then! Heidrun Beer Workgroup for Fundamental Spiritual Research and Mental Training http://www.sgmt.at -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIan's piece on CS
Granted, but with Big Brother FDA you won't get far... we need to overturn the FDA's ban with a public education program ... Besides, I can't see street people ever doing this -- they are more interested in survival ... how about starting with American Indian reservations, which generally have poor health care and are exempt from federal law? - Original Message - From: jrowl...@nctimes.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:30 AM Subject: Re: CSIan's piece on CS ...we desperately need to get CS to the third world...-Reid- ..nor can we produce a cadre of CS mercenaries who will go from town to town in Central Nowhere and do this for us...-Bill- Seems like there's plenty of 3rd world conditions right here in the US, too. Maybe the homeless and the street-people, having much to gain, could be a factor? jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSIan's piece on CS
Last year I had a similar idea of providing missionaries to poor countries with small CS making kits. To this end I contacted my pastor and he, in turn, connected me with someone high-up in a local missionary effort. I told him about CS and how easy it would be for a missionary to carry a small CS kit and be able to make CS on-the-spot to help people in poor areas of the world. He seemed to be interested and said he would get back to me. He never did so I assumed he just wrote me off as a kook. It was kind of frustrating but not unexpected. When talking about CS here at home, I sometimes get strange looks from people who think that if you don't take a pill that costs at least $5, then you can't get well. I enjoy the list even though it is sometimes overwhelming trying to read it all. Keep up the good work everyone. Ralph Gerhardt /02 -0500, you wrote: I agree with your premise, but I think you're ahead of the ballgame. We have an extensive information and education process to put in place first. We can't just go dropping CS kits into the jungle and expect to get results; nor can we produce a cadre of CS mercenaries who will go from town to town in Central Nowhere and do this for us. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: the blue senator
In a message dated 10/13/02 2:44:08 AM Central Daylight Time, dtmil...@midiowa.net writes: I had thought that Stan's FAQ about his CS experience had been posted here, but I guess not. So ... here it is. Dean, was this in private to you or is there a link for Stan's statements? I would like to quote his comments to a forum where this was discussed, if possible. thx, Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSre: silver toxicity
Dear Ivan, For what its worth, I recently saw a segment on a news program where they showed that vegetables and fruits from 50 years ago, the year I was born, BTW, were much higher in vitamins and minerals than things grown today. I personally suspect the difference is in the way the fields are fertilized. Back then much more animal manure was used, whereas today farmers use mostly chemicals. Basically farmers are feeding the plants` growth, but not ours! I also recall another program where they showed a field that was fertilized on one side with chemicals, the other side with manure. When a flock of sheep were turned in to graze, they all stayed on the manured side!! Dumb animals?? Where can we buy manure-fertilized produce? Marshalee There is a famous congressional report that supposedly proves that the soil has been leached of minerals in the last 100 years or so. All minerals have their origins in rock, and rock dust (of the appropriate kind) is the best fertiliser. Humic acids (notably fulvic) are powerful solvents, which leach out rock bound minerals, sequester them, and transport them in run-off and the water table for great distances. Plants absorb these minerals from the leachate and use them as part of their growth cycle. Certain plants have an affinity for silver, mushrooms and wheat come to mind, and hence silver finds its way into our diet. I am not sure that current populations are more healthy than previous, indeed, the incidence of cancer, obesity and heart disease are at epidemic proportions... but as you say, it comes down to diet. Regards Ivan --- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: MEDICATION MISTAKES!
Dear Group: I thought this was interesting. This is in part taken from an article in our local newspaper. Last year, Americans spent $144 billion on prescription medicine. Then we spent $177 billion for medical and economic consequences associated with medical mishaps. (clip) That's one reason the natural medicine market has exploded. Boomers have come to realize that modern medicine doesn't help everyone and may carry a slew of side effects --- some intolerable or downright dangerous. Thom
RE: CSBritish Columbia on silver toxicity guidelines
Hi Dean, et al, A chemist who visited this list several year ago told me in e-mail correspondence that MSM, being highly oxidized, does not interact with silver, ionic or particulate. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Dean Miller [mailto:dtmil...@midiowa.net] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 3:56 AM To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSBritish Columbia on silver toxicity guidelines On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 22:24:31 +1300, Ivan Anderson i...@win.co.nz wrote: It's true that silver chloride etc. are less effective against pathogens, at least in the test tube, but whether the it is 300 times less effective cannot really be taken from this article. What they are reporting is the reaction of silver ions with the gills (I assume) of flathead minnows, which can result in the death of these fish. That's true. But it is an indication. :) As thiosulphate is one of the reagents used to complex silver for uv/vis spectrographic concentration assays, it is not surprising that it has a very powerful bond and is 17,500 times less toxic than free silver ions, but it looks like silver will give up chloride in favour of sulphide and so may be available as a anti-bacterial. I guess that is somewhat obvious, considering that cs made with salt reportedly has positive results. Probably even the sulfide versions are effective (notice the combining of CS with MSM that has been discussed here). -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSre: silver toxicity
Somewhere. I read that forests can produce only two crops without glaciation. Elsewhere I have read that rock flour, so fine it almost behaves like a liquid, is the most effective way of increasing soil fertility and production; it feeds the microorganism that feed the plants. Re-establishing the microorganisms themselves is also very effective. Add some manure and you have the whole package. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: mamapug [mailto:mama...@netzero.net] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 10:09 AM To: *Silver-List* Subject: Re: CSre: silver toxicity Dear Ivan, For what its worth, I recently saw a segment on a news program where they showed that vegetables and fruits from 50 years ago, the year I was born, BTW, were much higher in vitamins and minerals than things grown today. I personally suspect the difference is in the way the fields are fertilized. Back then much more animal manure was used, whereas today farmers use mostly chemicals. Basically farmers are feeding the plants` growth, but not ours! I also recall another program where they showed a field that was fertilized on one side with chemicals, the other side with manure. When a flock of sheep were turned in to graze, they all stayed on the manured side!! Dumb animals?? Where can we buy manure-fertilized produce? Marshalee There is a famous congressional report that supposedly proves that the soil has been leached of minerals in the last 100 years or so. All minerals have their origins in rock, and rock dust (of the appropriate kind) is the best fertiliser. Humic acids (notably fulvic) are powerful solvents, which leach out rock bound minerals, sequester them, and transport them in run-off and the water table for great distances. Plants absorb these minerals from the leachate and use them as part of their growth cycle. Certain plants have an affinity for silver, mushrooms and wheat come to mind, and hence silver finds its way into our diet. I am not sure that current populations are more healthy than previous, indeed, the incidence of cancer, obesity and heart disease are at epidemic proportions... but as you say, it comes down to diet. Regards Ivan --- Introducing NetZero Long Distance Unlimited Long Distance only $29.95/ month! Sign Up Today! www.netzerolongdistance.com -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: the blue senator
I have read a lot of occult literature over the years which alluded to a blue race of people in our distant past. Perhaps we are destined to re-create the race here and now. Vote for Stan Jones!! - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 2:44 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: the blue senator Hi Ian, Bill and all, I had thought that Stan's FAQ about his CS experience had been posted here, but I guess not. So ... here it is. On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:50:19 -0400, Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com wrote: The fact is, the CNN picture on the internet doesn't have the same color scheme as other contemporary pictures on the internet of the same man. Stan Jones' FAQ: Here's my standard response. I think it answers most of your questions. Don't stop what you're doing. Colloidal silver has been so completely researched that we know it is very safe. Many people don't see any difference in my skin. This news blast started because a reporter who saw me in a debate in Great Falls, Montana interviewed me and published a story with a doctored photo (made my face decidedly blue). The associated press picked the story up and put it all on the Internet. To answer your questions: 1) I use a generator with three nine-volt batteries connected in series (27 volts D.C.); 2) I started taking colloidal silver in Seattle where the tap water is generally free from minerals. I added a few drops of salt water to improve the conductivity. When I moved to Montana 1998, I continued to use tap water but here it is full of minerals. I never had it tested. 3) I made my solution in an eight ounce paper cup, conducting the current for one hour. I then added one half of this solution to two gallons of drinking water that I kept in my refrigerator. I have no idea what the PPM of this solution was. 4) I drank my water over the entire day , but mostly in the evening after work. I have no idea how much I drank during any day. 5) I never filtered the solution. 6) People began to tell me my complexion was getting pale or green or blue. I never noticed the difference in my mirror every day. I did notice that under my finger nails was turning blue -- like a lack of oxygen. That's probably the first sign. No other part of my body shows any indications. I hope this is helpful. I know that I am an unusual case -- only the second or third case to be reported. If you are as careful as you indicate, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Stay healthy. You are with millions of other Americans that take silver. Here's a good web site to visit www.silver100.com. Best wishes Yours for good health and freedom Stan Jones, Libertarian Candidate for the U.S. Senate -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSReuters.com - Experts Sound Alarm on Health of Americas' Natives - October 11, 2002
Bill Missett (miss...@prodigy.net.mx) has sent you this article. Personal message: CS works against TB, doesn't it? Reuters.com - Experts Sound Alarm on Health of Americas' Natives http://reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=sciencenewsStoryID=1567217fromEmail=true
Re: CSRe: the blue senator
Why hasn't anyone demanded an accounting of this hoax to the news media? Get me the proof, including Stan's own testimony, and I'll take care of it. I need to know what news agencies issued the doctored photo, and which publication originated the doctored photo. This needs to be exposed. Let's blow this hoax out of the water!! - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 2:44 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: the blue senator Hi Ian, Bill and all, I had thought that Stan's FAQ about his CS experience had been posted here, but I guess not. So ... here it is. On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:50:19 -0400, Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com wrote: The fact is, the CNN picture on the internet doesn't have the same color scheme as other contemporary pictures on the internet of the same man. Stan Jones' FAQ: Here's my standard response. I think it answers most of your questions. Don't stop what you're doing. Colloidal silver has been so completely researched that we know it is very safe. Many people don't see any difference in my skin. This news blast started because a reporter who saw me in a debate in Great Falls, Montana interviewed me and published a story with a doctored photo (made my face decidedly blue). The associated press picked the story up and put it all on the Internet. To answer your questions: 1) I use a generator with three nine-volt batteries connected in series (27 volts D.C.); 2) I started taking colloidal silver in Seattle where the tap water is generally free from minerals. I added a few drops of salt water to improve the conductivity. When I moved to Montana 1998, I continued to use tap water but here it is full of minerals. I never had it tested. 3) I made my solution in an eight ounce paper cup, conducting the current for one hour. I then added one half of this solution to two gallons of drinking water that I kept in my refrigerator. I have no idea what the PPM of this solution was. 4) I drank my water over the entire day , but mostly in the evening after work. I have no idea how much I drank during any day. 5) I never filtered the solution. 6) People began to tell me my complexion was getting pale or green or blue. I never noticed the difference in my mirror every day. I did notice that under my finger nails was turning blue -- like a lack of oxygen. That's probably the first sign. No other part of my body shows any indications. I hope this is helpful. I know that I am an unusual case -- only the second or third case to be reported. If you are as careful as you indicate, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Stay healthy. You are with millions of other Americans that take silver. Here's a good web site to visit www.silver100.com. Best wishes Yours for good health and freedom Stan Jones, Libertarian Candidate for the U.S. Senate -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSMarshall, How do you know CS cannot reach these areas ?
Usually caused by massive industrial exposure to silver dust James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 6:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMarshall, How do you know CS cannot reach these areas ? Obvoiusly, if one can devolop argyria in the brain, silver can get there. Ken Argyria, silver deposition, occurs in all organs. Common deposition sites for people who have no history of therapeutic use are the liver, skin, pancreas, adrenals, glomeruli of the kidney, brain, bone marrow, walls of the blood vessels, thyroid, mesenteric glands, choroid plexus, spleen and testes P. D. Warrington, Ph.D. RPBio. Water Quality Branch Environmental Protection Department Ministry of Environment, Lands and Parks For further information Phone: (250) 387-9513 Email: Pat Warrington I just want to know, WHERE IS THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF that CS cannot penetrate these areas ? I don't know. Possibly, but I don't know where it is. Experience plays a big part in ones concepts, and my experience and the experience of those I know who have had lyme is that when in the advanced stages, the other protocols are sometimes necessary to get past a plateau to full recovery. A number of sources state that silver does not make it past the blood brain barrier, but they offer no bibliographys. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSMarshall, How do you know CS cannot reach these areas ?
Obvoiusly, if one can devolop argyria in the brain, silver can get there. Ken Argyria, silver deposition, occurs in all organs. Common deposition sites for people who have no history of therapeutic use are the liver, skin, pancreas, adrenals, glomeruli of the kidney, brain, bone marrow, walls of the blood vessels, thyroid, mesenteric glands, choroid plexus, spleen and testes P. D. Warrington, Ph.D. RPBio. Water Quality Branch Environmental Protection Department Ministry of Environment, Lands and Parks For further information Phone: (250) 387-9513 Email: Pat Warrington >> >> I just want to know, WHERE IS THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF that CS cannot penetrate >> these areas ? > >I don't know. Possibly, but I don't know where it is. Experience plays a big >part in ones concepts, and my experience and the experience of those I know who >have had lyme is that when in the advanced stages, the other protocols are >sometimes necessary to get past a plateau to full recovery. A number of sources >state that silver does not make it past the blood brain barrier, but they offer >no bibliographys. > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSre: silver toxicity
On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:09:02 -0600, mamapug mama...@netzero.net wrote: For what its worth, I recently saw a segment on a news program where they showed that vegetables and fruits from 50 years ago, the year I was born, BTW, were much higher in vitamins and minerals than things grown today. I personally suspect the difference is in the way the fields are fertilized. I think this is a case of the macronutrients being replaced, but not the trace elements. Thus the the soil becomes depleted in elements that we may not even know about. Fertilizers such as fishmeal and seaweed contain ALL the elements from an undepleted source. Back then much more animal manure was used, whereas today farmers use mostly chemicals. 's funny. I've recently come across info that goes 180 degrees opposite, saying that manured crops and animals raised on them are NOT good for our health. Bothered me 'cause I always thought manure was great fertilizer. Basically farmers are feeding the plants` growth, but not ours! I also recall another program where they showed a field that was fertilized on one side with chemicals, the other side with manure. When a flock of sheep were turned in to graze, they all stayed on the manured side!! Dumb animals?? Again, it's strange. I saw a similar example in Dr Jarvis' book claiming the opposite as proof that animals know that the manured feed was unhealthy. Maybe Wayne has some experience. Where can we buy manure-fertilized produce? Lots of organic produce showing up in regular groceries now. Chuck If you jog in a jogging suit, lounge in lounging pajamas, and smoke in a smoking jacket, WHY would anyone want to wear a windbreaker?? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: the blue senator
There is literature that alludes to there being a race of advanced beings that had blue blood. Some of this literature indicates that these are the inhabitants of the 12th planet, and were giants, IE the giant that David slew. They or their descendants became the heads of the monarchies, and were called blue bloods. Supposedly they had copper instead of iron for the oxygen carrying capability, thus making them have blue blood instead of red blood. Supposedly if you mixed the bloods of the blues and the humans, it would lead to blood disorders like hemophilia. I do have my doubts as to this. I would find it surprising if a blood which is copper based humanoid could cross with a iron based one and end up with anything that would live. I have heard three theories as to why the monarchs were called blue bloods. 1. They had argyria from drinking wine from silver cups. 2. They had a blood disorder from inbreeding 3. They were decedents of the blue blooded aliens. Probably one of them is correct, but not sure which one. Marshall Bill Missett wrote: I have read a lot of occult literature over the years which alluded to a blue race of people in our distant past. Perhaps we are destined to re-create the race here and now. Vote for Stan Jones!! - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 2:44 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: the blue senator Hi Ian, Bill and all, I had thought that Stan's FAQ about his CS experience had been posted here, but I guess not. So ... here it is. On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:50:19 -0400, Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com wrote: The fact is, the CNN picture on the internet doesn't have the same color scheme as other contemporary pictures on the internet of the same man. Stan Jones' FAQ: Here's my standard response. I think it answers most of your questions. Don't stop what you're doing. Colloidal silver has been so completely researched that we know it is very safe. Many people don't see any difference in my skin. This news blast started because a reporter who saw me in a debate in Great Falls, Montana interviewed me and published a story with a doctored photo (made my face decidedly blue). The associated press picked the story up and put it all on the Internet. To answer your questions: 1) I use a generator with three nine-volt batteries connected in series (27 volts D.C.); 2) I started taking colloidal silver in Seattle where the tap water is generally free from minerals. I added a few drops of salt water to improve the conductivity. When I moved to Montana 1998, I continued to use tap water but here it is full of minerals. I never had it tested. 3) I made my solution in an eight ounce paper cup, conducting the current for one hour. I then added one half of this solution to two gallons of drinking water that I kept in my refrigerator. I have no idea what the PPM of this solution was. 4) I drank my water over the entire day , but mostly in the evening after work. I have no idea how much I drank during any day. 5) I never filtered the solution. 6) People began to tell me my complexion was getting pale or green or blue. I never noticed the difference in my mirror every day. I did notice that under my finger nails was turning blue -- like a lack of oxygen. That's probably the first sign. No other part of my body shows any indications. I hope this is helpful. I know that I am an unusual case -- only the second or third case to be reported. If you are as careful as you indicate, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Stay healthy. You are with millions of other Americans that take silver. Here's a good web site to visit www.silver100.com. Best wishes Yours for good health and freedom Stan Jones, Libertarian Candidate for the U.S. Senate -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMarshall, How do you know CS cannot reach these areas ?
Interesting. So we have reports that it cannot pass the blood brain barrier, and that it can deposit into the brain. Unfortunately I can find NOTHING that gives any references that can be checked on this for either. Surely there is some research somewhere that will put this to rest. Marshall Ode Coyote wrote: Obvoiusly, if one can devolop argyria in the brain, silver can get there. Ken Argyria, silver deposition, occurs in all organs. Common deposition sites for people who have no history of therapeutic use are the liver, skin, pancreas, adrenals, glomeruli of the kidney, brain, bone marrow, walls of the blood vessels, thyroid, mesenteric glands, choroid plexus, spleen and testes P. D. Warrington, Ph.D. RPBio. Water Quality Branch Environmental Protection Department Ministry of Environment, Lands and Parks For further information Phone: (250) 387-9513 Email: Pat Warrington I just want to know, WHERE IS THE SCIENTIFIC PROOF that CS cannot penetrate these areas ? I don't know. Possibly, but I don't know where it is. Experience plays a big part in ones concepts, and my experience and the experience of those I know who have had lyme is that when in the advanced stages, the other protocols are sometimes necessary to get past a plateau to full recovery. A number of sources state that silver does not make it past the blood brain barrier, but they offer no bibliographys. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CSRe: the blue senator
To answer your questions: 1) I use a generator with three nine-volt batteries connected in series (27 volts D.C.); Here is the first problem. This method will allow the particles to get to large very quickly. A Constant Current CS generator will not allow the particles to get so large that they can't pass through the body. 2) I started taking colloidal silver in Seattle where the tap water is generally free from minerals. I added a few drops of salt water to improve the conductivity. When I moved to Montana 1998, I continued to use tap water but here it is full of minerals. I never had it tested. Tap water has all sorts of minerals in it that when mixed with the silver will produce all kinds of silver compounds. The salt will cause silver nitrate. Distilled water and NO SALT will give you a pure CS product with no compounds. My tap water in Plano, TX is 480 PPM of who knows what! 3) I made my solution in an eight ounce paper cup, conducting the current for one hour. I then added one half of this solution to two gallons of drinking water that I kept in my refrigerator. I have no idea what the PPM of this solution was. Refrain from mixing CS with anything unless you are trying to kill the germs in it, like perhaps purifying drinking water. Generally you should take CS straight without mixing with anything. All of this combined can cause Agyria. So, please seek the truth. Best wishes Yours for good health and freedom Stan Jones, Libertarian Candidate for the U.S. Senate -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF Sincerely, Keith Pittman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: [Re: CSre: silver toxicity]
mamapug, Anything anyone may post someone will say you are wrong. Now someone come and say I am wrong. Yours Hank cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Oct 2002 10:09:02 -0600, mamapug mama...@netzero.net wrote: For what its worth, I recently saw a segment on a news program where they showed that vegetables and fruits from 50 years ago, the year I was born, BTW, were much higher in vitamins and minerals than things grown today. I personally suspect the difference is in the way the fields are fertilized. I think this is a case of the macronutrients being replaced, but not the trace elements. Thus the the soil becomes depleted in elements that we may not even know about. Fertilizers such as fishmeal and seaweed contain ALL the elements from an undepleted source. Back then much more animal manure was used, whereas today farmers use mostly chemicals. 's funny. I've recently come across info that goes 180 degrees opposite, saying that manured crops and animals raised on them are NOT good for our health. Bothered me 'cause I always thought manure was great fertilizer. Basically farmers are feeding the plants` growth, but not ours! I also recall another program where they showed a field that was fertilized on one side with chemicals, the other side with manure. When a flock of sheep were turned in to graze, they all stayed on the manured side!! Dumb animals?? Again, it's strange. I saw a similar example in Dr Jarvis' book claiming the opposite as proof that animals know that the manured feed was unhealthy. Maybe Wayne has some experience. Where can we buy manure-fertilized produce? Lots of organic produce showing up in regular groceries now. Chuck If you jog in a jogging suit, lounge in lounging pajamas, and smoke in a smoking jacket, WHY would anyone want to wear a windbreaker?? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com Yours Hankhttp://hdka.myecom.net/ct/ct.htm http://www.victorthorn.com/babel/issue71/wing2.html
RE: CSRe: the blue senator
The news media is the largest hoax of all. James-Osbourne: Holmes -Original Message- From: Bill Missett [mailto:miss...@prodigy.net.mx] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 4:12 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSRe: the blue senator Why hasn't anyone demanded an accounting of this hoax to the news media? Get me the proof, including Stan's own testimony, and I'll take care of it. I need to know what news agencies issued the doctored photo, and which publication originated the doctored photo. This needs to be exposed. Let's blow this hoax out of the water!! - Original Message - From: Dean Miller dtmil...@midiowa.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 2:44 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: the blue senator Hi Ian, Bill and all, I had thought that Stan's FAQ about his CS experience had been posted here, but I guess not. So ... here it is. On Sat, 12 Oct 2002 19:50:19 -0400, Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com wrote: The fact is, the CNN picture on the internet doesn't have the same color scheme as other contemporary pictures on the internet of the same man. Stan Jones' FAQ: Here's my standard response. I think it answers most of your questions. Don't stop what you're doing. Colloidal silver has been so completely researched that we know it is very safe. Many people don't see any difference in my skin. This news blast started because a reporter who saw me in a debate in Great Falls, Montana interviewed me and published a story with a doctored photo (made my face decidedly blue). The associated press picked the story up and put it all on the Internet. To answer your questions: 1) I use a generator with three nine-volt batteries connected in series (27 volts D.C.); 2) I started taking colloidal silver in Seattle where the tap water is generally free from minerals. I added a few drops of salt water to improve the conductivity. When I moved to Montana 1998, I continued to use tap water but here it is full of minerals. I never had it tested. 3) I made my solution in an eight ounce paper cup, conducting the current for one hour. I then added one half of this solution to two gallons of drinking water that I kept in my refrigerator. I have no idea what the PPM of this solution was. 4) I drank my water over the entire day , but mostly in the evening after work. I have no idea how much I drank during any day. 5) I never filtered the solution. 6) People began to tell me my complexion was getting pale or green or blue. I never noticed the difference in my mirror every day. I did notice that under my finger nails was turning blue -- like a lack of oxygen. That's probably the first sign. No other part of my body shows any indications. I hope this is helpful. I know that I am an unusual case -- only the second or third case to be reported. If you are as careful as you indicate, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Stay healthy. You are with millions of other Americans that take silver. Here's a good web site to visit www.silver100.com. Best wishes Yours for good health and freedom Stan Jones, Libertarian Candidate for the U.S. Senate -- Dean -- from (almost) Des Moines -- KB0ZDF -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSot edible zapper...
Greetings, all: As many of you know, I follow James Carr's work ( Alpha Omega Labs ) fairly closely, and utilize a number of his products. I've also been a fan of the Russian Scientific Community for quite some time, as well. http://www.altcancer.com/ecomed1.htm I thought those of you who are familiar with DC Zapper technology would get a kick ( literally? ) out of a family of products developed in the ( former ) Soviet Union... Edible zappers, at about 40.00 US a pill. Now, who's going to be the first to develop the first in-blood-stream zapper? Happy reading and kind regards, Jason
