RE: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold
My take on the question. Colloidal gold and colloidal silver are two different fruit and cannot be compared. Silver is an antimicrobial first and foremost, with the ability to cause tissue regeneration if used correctly. Gold's major uses is as an arthritic treatment. Gold salts have been traditionally used, but come with side effects, whereas true gold colloids do not seem to bring this downside. There is some research which suggests some increase in cognitive abilities, at a dose of 30mg per day (which is a litre of 30ppm colloidal gold). As an antidepressant... I guess this is possible (although perhaps subjective) but as Lithium has this ability it is not out of the question. However, do not confuse colloidal gold with a solution for the soul and quote ancient passages (as some places do) which in fact refer to the White Powder Gold or Bread of Life or Mana (monoatomic or ORMUS). White Gold is a very elusive substance, and was the goal of ancient and modern day alchemists, and does indeed have powers that effect the 'soul'. Ivan. -Original Message- From: Jan Bolen [mailto:juri...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 1:59 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CScolloidal silver vs colloidal gold Dear list, Perhaps I missed something being on the digest list, but in the discussion about colloidal silver and colloidal gold, did anyone say anything about the advantages of using colloidal gold? In other words, why would someone want to make and take colloidal gold over colloidal silver - would it be better? Would it have different effects?Just curious. I'm still buying it (cs) over making it because my mind seems to turn off when I read the technical discussions. Someday I'll break down and buy a generator. I would like to add my agreement to the person who said she doesn't want to legislate what people ingest. I'm a very 'laissez-faire' kind of person and I think people should make their own decisions - good or bad - on what they ingest or how they live, etc. etc.. By all means, give them the information, but then, let them alone! Jan Bolen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSRe: Colloidal Gold
Colloidal gold, like all true metallic colloids, changes colour with changing particle size. Yellow at 13nm Red/Orange at 15nm Red at 30nm Wine Red at 30 - 40nm Violet at 50nm Blue at 70nm For further info see the Mie Theory of light scattering and extinction. Regards Ivan. -Original Message- From: brian...@hotmail.com [mailto:brian...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 2:37 p.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSRe: Colloidal Gold I believe CG's colour should be pale purple through red and then to deep blue with increasing gold concentration. I don't know if particle size would effect the concentration. One method that's used to produce CG is an underwater high voltage arc between gold electrodes seperated by about 1/4. A neon sign transformer typically is used as it has the characteristic of being effectively current limited and able to produce enough voltage to keep the arc sustained. Commercial neon sign transformer are limited in the range of 20 to 120mA, with the most common units being 30 mA. It has been mentioned to me that 15Kv (15 thousand volt) neon sign transformer with 60mA capacity is what gives good results. These neon sign transformers have an alternating (AC) output. The high voltage (15Kv) would, I assume, start the arc, and then the neon sign transformer will adjust output voltage to some lower voltage to keep it's current limited output going through the arc. Electrode spacing apparently has some effect on current as well. In a previous post, it was said that keeping the gold electrodes small was required to sustain the arc. I believe, the arc, in effect, releases colloidal gold particles. This method also uses distilled water that's cooled and kept in motion during the process; a bit different than the process described by akaJhon. BTW, I've received many responses to my query about creation of a colloidal gold discussion grup. They are all encouraging me to setup this list, so I'll proceed. It's been suggested by several that moderation is essential for such a group for various reasons. More details to follow. Thanks! Brian. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPWT - George Allen
George, I am not sure how you went about comparing the readings between the two meters, nor where the .57 factor was applied. What were the raw readings and what did you multiply by .57 Cheers Ivan -Original Message- From: gallen4...@aol.com [mailto:gallen4...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, 18 November 2002 11:02 a.m. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS(no subject) I have had a Hannah TDS meter for several years, but following the discussions about the PWF, which said generally that the PWF had greater accuracy, I bought a PWF. I have just completed a comparison of the readings on the two on the CS I make. For the PWF readings I used the .57 conversion multiplier which Ivan developed. PWFTDSDIFFERENCE 17.10 161.1 11.11 101.1 15.67 141.67 dw 2.1 2.1 `15.38 14 1.38 dw 1.21 .2 In an effort to ensure accuracy, at this point I calibrated the PWF 13.90 151.1 dw 2.4 2 .4 14.36 15.64 11.97 10 1.97 8.8910 1.11 I think it was Ole Bob who pointed out that accurate readings with these meters requires repeated tests with large quantities of liquid. For the small quantities that most of us make, the readings are only approximate. If my comparison is valid, since the difference between the readings is so small, never reaching 2, is it worth investing in the higher-cost PWF? George Allen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSnorad
Heard this product advertised on the radio last night: http://www.noradinfo.com Connie -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhat we are up against
Because it said so. Marshall Robb Allen wrote: how do you know it was removed because of pressure?..Robb - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 11:27 PM Subject: Re: CSWhat we are up against I doubt it will disappear. I receive multiple copies regularly of Bolens' articles weekly, it seems. Never signed up for 'em either. Although I agree with his premises' on Barrett, it IS almost spam. Chuck GAMES FOR WHEN WE ARE OLDER 1. Sag, You're it. 2. Pin the Toupee on the bald guy. On Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:41:39 -0500, Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: This article was up on Dr. Clark's site, but has been removed due to pressure from the superquack, Barrett and minions. It is still available here, you might want to read it before it too disappears: http://dorway.com/lastquak.txt After all, CS is in his sights as well as every other method of acquiring health. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpolicing others' ingestion habits was ... aspartame A consideration.
samma...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/22/02 12:47:33 PM Central Standard Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: In a perfect world I would agree. The problem is that with the government and all the way it is, when people do things that hurt themselves, it is everyone, not just them that usually pay. Everyone is assessed through increased taxes or health insurance premiums. I don't agree with this logic. That old argument has been used justify the stripping away of many people's rights. The same case could be used against you: Marshall there are risks involved when you use alternative remedies that have not been approved by the FDA. If it should not work out then the rest of us will have to pay for your recklessness. Therefore, you must stop or risk fines and imprisonment. And if you really believe what you've written, then you should be insisting that McDonald's and Burger King be outlawed immediately. I don't consider public support of people who take reckless regard for their health and life a right. Who said anything about fines and imprisonment? If I am not paying for it, I could not care less what others are doing. I think we need less laws, not more, and less give away programs, not more. People can ingest whatever they like and they'll get no trouble from me. I will share what I've learned whenever there is an opening to do so, but it is none of my business what people eat or drink or inhale. I agree, unless I am being asked to support them financially, when I am having a hard time even supporting myself and wife. Marshall Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
akaJhon wrote: My understanding is as follows,,, high currant/amps. for making CG, 24 kt electrodes,(one gold,,the other siver,,) uses baking soda for CG only one qt. of distilled water,,tested with DIST 1ppm tester (100reading with bking soda) Water heated to 190 degrees F. One hour running for 10 ppm 2 hours for 15 ppm etc. silver gives off hydrogen gas ,,gold gives off co2 has switch for silver/gold.. Interesting. So the NaHCO3 splits up into NaOH and CO2. How much baking soda do you add? I don't think any of us have tried producting CG with baking soda, so that is likely the big difference although I don't understand why it would. Marshall I use gold sometimes,,silver daily,,I haven't got in the habit,,I am in very good health so nothing seems to change me health or mental wise.. Please excuse my slow typing,,a hunter and pecker typer. BTW Trem,,I use your 'Silver/Gen' for making my C/S.. aka Jhon The biggest conspiracy of all is the claim that there are no conspiracies! ~ | Hi John, | | Have you measured the current and voltage this unit operates at? If so, | would you care to share? | | What color is the CG? What strength? Measured with? How long to make a | batch and the batch volume? | | Do you heat the water? How much? | | Notice any physical or mental effects? | | Thanks for answering. | | | I have bought this gold gen... | | | http://colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm | | | -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
From my understanding the easiest way to tell CS from CG is the color. Yellow/Gold for CS and pink/red/violet for CG. I DOES sound like CS to me. Marshall Trem wrote: Hmm. Sounds like it's agglomerated CS from the color. Never heard of CG turning that color. Ivan...Marshall...anybody...what do you suppose? And that reading on the DIST 1 sounds really high doesn't it? I'm looking forward to hearing what the voltage/current readings are. Thanks for taking the time and effort to give us some data. Trem - Original Message - From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 7:08 PM Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold No specs on voltage,,can test it tomorrow,, color on the 2 month old is a very pale gold,, reads 190 on the Dist 1 scale,, am taking Brent at his word about the ppm.. laser dead,,can get new batteries tomorrow for 'sparkle effect'.. - Original Message - Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold | Hi John, | | Thanks for the feedback. Guess I'm still in the dark as to voltage and | current. It's sort of like saying how high is up. So, guess you don't | know the voltage or currentcorrect? Does the unit have specs. that | might tell? I suppose you don't have a multimeter to measure itcorrect? | | What color does it come out? | | If the reading on a DIST 1 is 100 at the start, what is the reading at the | end? 110 after an hour and 115 after 2 hours? Or something different? I'm | trying to get a handle on the method of reading CG. Or are you told it will | be 10 PPM after an hour, etc. and taking it on faith? | | Yep, I knew you were a customer. Looked your first name up in our database. | It's not in your email address. | | | Trem | | | - Original Message - | From: akaJhon maj.yo...@ellijay.com | To: silver-list@eskimo.com | Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 3:33 PM | Subject: Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold | | | My understanding is as follows,,, | | high currant/amps. for making CG, | 24 kt electrodes,(one gold,,the other siver,,) | uses baking soda for CG only | one qt. of distilled water,,tested with DIST 1ppm tester (100reading with | bking soda) | Water heated to 190 degrees F. | One hour running for 10 ppm | 2 hours for 15 ppm etc. | silver gives off hydrogen gas ,,gold gives off co2 | has switch for silver/gold.. | |I use gold sometimes,,silver daily,,I haven't got in the habit,,I am in | very good health so nothing seems to change me health or mental wise.. | | Please excuse my slow typing,,a hunter and pecker typer. | BTW Trem,,I use your 'Silver/Gen' for making my C/S.. | | aka Jhon | | The biggest conspiracy of all is the claim that there are no | conspiracies! | ~ | | | | | | | Hi John, | | | | Have you measured the current and voltage this unit operates at? If so, | | would you care to share? | | | | What color is the CG? What strength? Measured with? How long to make | a | | batch and the batch volume? | | | | Do you heat the water? How much? | | | | Notice any physical or mental effects? | | | | Thanks for answering. | | | | | | I have bought this gold gen... | | | | | | http://colloidalsilvergens.com/colloidal_silver_generator_store.htm | | | | | | | | | -- | The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. | | Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org | | To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com | | Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html | | List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com | | | | | |
CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
On 11/21 Ivan wrote: :Gold colloids...cannot be made by the LVDC method. Ivan also wrote that what LVDC produces is gold ions and there is some info that suggests ingestion of gold ions is not safe. On 11/21 Jannette wrote that the color of her gold product, using a Utopia silver PS50 ranges from clear to pale violet to ruby violet. Judging from the time required -- 5-71/2 hour -- it appears the PS50 was running LVDC. My understanding is that ions do not produce color, only particles can. So it appears that Jannette is producing a colloid? Earlier Marshalee wrote that gold had relieved her of what she described as a suicidal depression. Judging from the many postings and the proposed establishment of a separate gold list, there is high interest in colloidal gold. But before proceeding further, I believe it would help if we could clear up the apparent contradiction between Ivan's perspective and Jannette's experience. Ivan, could you supply citations for your characterization of the ingestion of gold ions as not safe? You also stated on 11/21 ...gold is most stable as the Au+++cation, and therefore requires three times the charge and three times the time, compared to silver. Do you mean that using this procedure would produce a gold colloid or only ions? Jannette, it would be helpful if you could add some details about your production procedure -- what voltage, what current to produce what color? Marshalee, did you buy your gold or make it yourself? If you made it yourself, what color was it? What protocol did you follow and for how long before the benefits appeared? Any side effects? I believe the answers would be helpful to us all to get a better understanding of what gold can or cannot do. George Allen
RE: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
unsubscribe From: gallen4...@aol.com [mailto:gallen4...@aol.com] Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 9:46 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold On 11/21 Ivan wrote: :Gold colloids...cannot be made by the LVDC method. Ivan also wrote that what LVDC produces is gold ions and there is some info that suggests ingestion of gold ions is not safe. On 11/21 Jannette wrote that the color of her gold product, using a Utopia silver PS50 ranges from clear to pale violet to ruby violet. Judging from the time required -- 5-71/2 hour -- it appears the PS50 was running LVDC. My understanding is that ions do not produce color, only particles can. So it appears that Jannette is producing a colloid? Earlier Marshalee wrote that gold had relieved her of what she described as a suicidal depression. Judging from the many postings and the proposed establishment of a separate gold list, there is high interest in colloidal gold. But before proceeding further, I believe it would help if we could clear up the apparent contradiction between Ivan's perspective and Jannette's experience. Ivan, could you supply citations for your characterization of the ingestion of gold ions as not safe? You also stated on 11/21 ...gold is most stable as the Au+++cation, and therefore requires three times the charge and three times the time, compared to silver. Do you mean that using this procedure would produce a gold colloid or only ions? Jannette, it would be helpful if you could add some details about your production procedure -- what voltage, what current to produce what color? Marshalee, did you buy your gold or make it yourself? If you made it yourself, what color was it? What protocol did you follow and for how long before the benefits appeared? Any side effects? I believe the answers would be helpful to us all to get a better understanding of what gold can or cannot do. George Allen
CSRe: CS kidney stones
Dear members A friend of ours was wondering whether CS would have any effect on kidney stones. Have not seen any case histories or testimonials on this. If so, what is the best method for getting to the site and do you know of any other complimentary natural protocols that could be used for this condition? Many thanks Steve
Re: CSnorad
Connie mention this product... (http://www.noradinfo.com) ...just thought I would mention that this product is being sold in Health Food Stores everywhere around my area for about $11.99. You get a 10 day supply for one person (or 5 for two). If you go to www.nukepills.com, you can get a 14 day supply for $9.50 including shipping (and its fast service too). Mikey
