CSCC
Hi Marshall, If you use the same setup, do you get about the same results with copper that you do when you use silver? Have you tried it with gold? Andy From: Marshall Dudley The conductivity is a non-issue. You are talking about millionths of a volt drop at the current we are talking about. If you are using 27 volts it is plenty for silver or copper. Covalent bonding is not an relevent, we are talking about a pure metal, not a compound. I have made it myself without any problems using 27 to 30 volts. Marshall ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Hi Marshall, Is it really the same? I would think that you might need a higher voltage for copper because copper isn't as good of a conductor as silver. Also, what about covalent bonding and lattice structures, etc.? Andy From: Marshall Dudley Just like silver, except use copper wire. You can buy pretty pure copper wire at Home Depot or Lowes, simply purchase some 14 gauge romex and strip off the insulation. Marshall Jeanne Shuford wrote: so alright you guys how do I make colloidal copper?please
CSTEST (please ignore)
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Re: CSsilver saturated water purifiers and AgNO3
G'morning Reid, ... Tests indicate the purifiers remove 99% of all partcles down to 1.0 micron, and I'd think this would happen near the surface. Which raises the question of whether it is at the surface that you want the most antimicrobial activity? I also want to explore the possibility of firing upto about 600C, at which temperature the carbon should burn off. But I don't know what this may do to the silver bond. And because of the higher temperatures at which the pottery is fired, upto 1050C, the silver in whatever form can only be applied after firing. The melting point of silver is 961, boiling point 2212... Vapor pressure of molten silver at 1050 C, if I calculate it right, is about 15 millitorr or 2x10e-5 atm. Given a fine-pored matrix would the silver, at most, be somewhat depleted at the surface, but still present in the bulk of the ceramic? Would it be worth a try to mix the dry clay with CS or a silver nitrate solution instead of water, and testing the resulting material for germicidal activity? As for firing to 600C to burn off the carbon, what are you concerned about? The form the silver might take? Your hope is to be left with silver metal, right? Does silver form oxides at those temperatures? Interesting work, Reid. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSConfused about distilled water
There are only 2 ways to distill water that I'm aware of. Vacuum and steam. Either way, the water is turned into a gas [ie:steam] and condensed back into a liquid. The only difference is the vaporization temperature. In Florida it's possible that distilled water is a by product of evaporating orange juice? Ode At 11:06 AM 6/4/2003 -0700, you wrote: Hi CS'rs I am fairly new to the list, only been on it for a couple of month's. I just received my generator and made my first batch of CS, the water I bought was from WalMart having only gotten one suggestion from my last post (name brand v. any old DW). Well needless to say I was anxious to start brewing so I bought that brand and brewed away. Upon reading the post's today I came upon one that said only use steamed DW and that a PPM meter should be used to test the DW before making CS (no more than 3-ppm prior). I then read another post where a gentleman bought a water distiller and made his own DW. All of this has made me quite confused as I would hate to make an inferior product and harm myself and my family. Could anyone please give me some insight as to the proper protocol of making CS, or is it all just a matter of opinion? Do you Yahoo!? Free http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/tag/*http://calendar.yahoo.comonline calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpool
That's online www.algaebar.com? search it up Ode At 08:56 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, you wrote: Where do you go to buy algaebar? Jen - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: CSpool I've never been able to get over a 3 uS rise in conductivity and made some grey blue precipitate when trying to make colloidal copper in distilled water for hours and hours. Zinc didn't do much either. It's likely that direct CC generation in the pool is the way to go. There's actually a solar powered float that does just that...except they don't mention 'what' metal they are using. Virtually all non ferrous colloidal metals have antimicrobial effects. There''s also a product called algaebar whch is a sheet of copper bonded to a sheet of silver. The pool water acts as an electrolyte on the dissimilar metals making the whole thing into a battery that releases metal ions into the pool. Just toss the thing in. Very expensive. I bet someone could take a clean copper sheet, place it on an electric stove burner with a touch of acid soldering flux till it's nearly red hot and melt silver onto the surface of the copper. Ode At 09:37 AM 6/3/2003 -0400, you wrote: Just like silver, except use copper wire. You can buy pretty pure copper wire at Home Depot or Lowes, simply purchase some 14 gauge romex and strip off the insulation. Marshall Jeanne Shuford wrote: so alright you guys how do I make colloidal copper?please - Original Message - From: mailto:carpae.d...@cox.netcarpae.d...@cox.net To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Cc: mailto:carpae.d...@cox.netAlexander J. Federowicz Jr. Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: Re: CSHOT TUB Sildate (Ag4o4) Hi Marshal :) There is a silver product called Sildate, and (Ag4o4) is it's composition... Yes it's the same silver compound used in (Tetrasil) a cure for AIDS developed in Israel... Just a lot less expensive... I don't think it will discolor your pool... / H.T. etc... But the colloidal copper greatly improves the heat absorption of the water, and should make the heating bill lower ! By the way, Have you come across anyone on this list claiming they are developing Argyria from using CS, that was verifiably made with .999 - . % pure silver 100% steam distilled water... ??? I recently browsed the Rosemary Jacobs site on the web.She is both very nasty, and also seems to be getting a lot of media attention from doing anti CS speeches. She also unconditionally refuses to consider chelation therapy. That about says it all... I tried to converse with her, and found her full of circular arguments against anything I tried to discuss with her... It would be a good thing, in my opinion at least, for us to all start contributing in some way to the establishment of permanent positive data, because this e-mail list represents a solid opportunity to create a collective record of exact doses of CS that are used to achieve specific healing results against illnesses that have been pre-diagnosed by a verifiable MD... We should form a permanent online data-base with all these cure references,etc..., etc... Possibly even class action suing the FDA for inclusion of our evidence about CS in the FDA's and the AMA's permanent records regarding CS Regards,Alexander- Original Message - From: mailto:mdud...@execonn.comMarshall Dudley To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: Re: CSHOT TUB CS can cause a greying of the tub. You might consider CC instead, it does not deposit black, but rather a light aqua blue. It should not take a lot, but it is important to burn out the organics, and H2O2 or ozone would be great for that. Marshall Jeanne Shuford wrote: AM HAVING A NEW HOT TUB DELIVERED TOMORROW. HOW MUCH CS WOULD IT TAKE TO KEEP IT PURE AND CLEAN? HAS ANY ONE WITH A HOT TUB GOT THE COMBINATION? WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. JEN -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThermal Stirring
Having searched for that very item to stock for better that 2 years...$15 PLUS shipping is as cheap as it gets. Base light, crystal display lamp are search words. Try LB2..the only commercially made/ mass produced lamp of that kind I've ever found. I've found 2 such items in thrift stores made of wood by small manufacturers who are no longer in business. Your local spiritual book store might have something. Nothing there will be cheap. A small candy tin is more attractive than a tuna can. But that thin steel is hard to cut neatly. When using a food can, you don't care. You can make a lamp out of a block of wood or seasoned small tree section with a drill press and spade bits if you don't have a lathe. The tree section looks very nice but labor makes it very expensive. [Find the appropriate wood, cut, season so it doesn't split when drying out, drill, finish, assemble and install electricals and ship] The electrical parts from Home Depot will run over $6 and have to be assembled. Ode At 08:14 PM 6/4/2003 -0600, you wrote: I thought I would try thermal stirring, using a small light bulb (5-7 watt night light). Question: what are good cases to mount the bulb socket in, that I can make a 1 inch hole in the top that is able to support a quart canning jar? I am looking for something a bit more classy than a tunafish can, but less expensive than I have seen advertised for sale at one list member's site (about $15). --Steve Y. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpool
Thank you Ode, ordered it this am jen - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 7:26 AM Subject: Re: CSpool That's online www.algaebar.com? search it up Ode At 08:56 PM 6/4/2003 -0400, you wrote: Where do you go to buy algaebar? Jen - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: CSpool I've never been able to get over a 3 uS rise in conductivity and made some grey blue precipitate when trying to make colloidal copper in distilled water for hours and hours. Zinc didn't do much either. It's likely that direct CC generation in the pool is the way to go. There's actually a solar powered float that does just that...except they don't mention 'what' metal they are using. Virtually all non ferrous colloidal metals have antimicrobial effects. There''s also a product called algaebar whch is a sheet of copper bonded to a sheet of silver. The pool water acts as an electrolyte on the dissimilar metals making the whole thing into a battery that releases metal ions into the pool. Just toss the thing in. Very expensive. I bet someone could take a clean copper sheet, place it on an electric stove burner with a touch of acid soldering flux till it's nearly red hot and melt silver onto the surface of the copper. Ode At 09:37 AM 6/3/2003 -0400, you wrote: Just like silver, except use copper wire. You can buy pretty pure copper wire at Home Depot or Lowes, simply purchase some 14 gauge romex and strip off the insulation. Marshall Jeanne Shuford wrote: so alright you guys how do I make colloidal copper?please - Original Message - From: mailto:carpae.d...@cox.netcarpae.d...@cox.net To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Cc: mailto:carpae.d...@cox.netAlexander J. Federowicz Jr. Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: Re: CSHOT TUB Sildate (Ag4o4) Hi Marshal :) There is a silver product called Sildate, and (Ag4o4) is it's composition... Yes it's the same silver compound used in (Tetrasil) a cure for AIDS developed in Israel... Just a lot less expensive... I don't think it will discolor your pool... / H.T. etc... But the colloidal copper greatly improves the heat absorption of the water, and should make the heating bill lower ! By the way, Have you come across anyone on this list claiming they are developing Argyria from using CS, that was verifiably made with .999 - . % pure silver 100% steam distilled water... ??? I recently browsed the Rosemary Jacobs site on the web.She is both very nasty, and also seems to be getting a lot of media attention from doing anti CS speeches. She also unconditionally refuses to consider chelation therapy. That about says it all... I tried to converse with her, and found her full of circular arguments against anything I tried to discuss with her... It would be a good thing, in my opinion at least, for us to all start contributing in some way to the establishment of permanent positive data, because this e-mail list represents a solid opportunity to create a collective record of exact doses of CS that are used to achieve specific healing results against illnesses that have been pre-diagnosed by a verifiable MD... We should form a permanent online data-base with all these cure references,etc..., etc... Possibly even class action suing the FDA for inclusion of our evidence about CS in the FDA's and the AMA's permanent records regarding CS Regards,Alexander- Original Message - From: mailto:mdud...@execonn.comMarshall Dudley To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: Re: CSHOT TUB CS can cause a greying of the tub. You might consider CC instead, it does not deposit black, but rather a light aqua blue. It should not take a lot, but it is important to burn out the organics, and H2O2 or ozone would be great for that. Marshall Jeanne Shuford wrote: AM HAVING A NEW HOT TUB DELIVERED TOMORROW. HOW MUCH CS WOULD IT TAKE TO KEEP IT PURE AND CLEAN? HAS ANY ONE WITH A HOT TUB GOT THE COMBINATION? WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. JEN -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V103 #399
Dear Nancy, Do stop signs have audio over there? or did the tinnitus affect his sight? or his awareness? Tony Tony- If you read the beginning of my post, tinnitus caused by blood deficiency or liver deficiency rather than physical injury goes along with other symptoms. Having several of the symptoms together is an indication of the cause of the tinnitus. My friend had the weakened vision and also the palor, perhaps other symptoms I don't know about. Nancy snip My herbal books say that tinnitus is part of a syndrome of blood deficiency and goes along with dizziness, weakened vision, lethargy, palpitations, skin dryness, poor memory, palor, and weak thready pulse. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpool
Try http://algaebar.com Marshall Jeanne Shuford wrote: Where do you go to buy algaebar? Jen - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: CSpool I've never been able to get over a 3 uS rise in conductivity and made some grey blue precipitate when trying to make colloidal copper in distilled water for hours and hours. Zinc didn't do much either. It's likely that direct CC generation in the pool is the way to go. There's actually a solar powered float that does just that...except they don't mention 'what' metal they are using. Virtually all non ferrous colloidal metals have antimicrobial effects. There''s also a product called algaebar whch is a sheet of copper bonded to a sheet of silver. The pool water acts as an electrolyte on the dissimilar metals making the whole thing into a battery that releases metal ions into the pool. Just toss the thing in. Very expensive. I bet someone could take a clean copper sheet, place it on an electric stove burner with a touch of acid soldering flux till it's nearly red hot and melt silver onto the surface of the copper. Ode At 09:37 AM 6/3/2003 -0400, you wrote: Just like silver, except use copper wire. You can buy pretty pure copper wire at Home Depot or Lowes, simply purchase some 14 gauge romex and strip off the insulation. Marshall Jeanne Shuford wrote: so alright you guys how do I make colloidal copper?please - Original Message - From: mailto:carpae.d...@cox.netcarpae.d...@cox.net To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Cc: mailto:carpae.d...@cox.netAlexander J. Federowicz Jr. Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 9:54 PM Subject: Re: CSHOT TUB Sildate (Ag4o4) Hi Marshal :) There is a silver product called Sildate, and (Ag4o4) is it's composition... Yes it's the same silver compound used in (Tetrasil) a cure for AIDS developed in Israel... Just a lot less expensive... I don't think it will discolor your pool... / H.T. etc... But the colloidal copper greatly improves the heat absorption of the water, and should make the heating bill lower ! By the way, Have you come across anyone on this list claiming they are developing Argyria from using CS, that was verifiably made with .999 - . % pure silver 100% steam distilled water... ??? I recently browsed the Rosemary Jacobs site on the web.She is both very nasty, and also seems to be getting a lot of media attention from doing anti CS speeches. She also unconditionally refuses to consider chelation therapy. That about says it all... I tried to converse with her, and found her full of circular arguments against anything I tried to discuss with her... It would be a good thing, in my opinion at least, for us to all start contributing in some way to the establishment of permanent positive data, because this e-mail list represents a solid opportunity to create a collective record of exact doses of CS that are used to achieve specific healing results against illnesses that have been pre-diagnosed by a verifiable MD... We should form a permanent online data-base with all these cure references,etc..., etc... Possibly even class action suing the FDA for inclusion of our evidence about CS in the FDA's and the AMA's permanent records regarding CS Regards,Alexander- Original Message - From: mailto:mdud...@execonn.comMarshall Dudley To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 10:00 AM Subject: Re: CSHOT TUB CS can cause a greying of the tub. You might consider CC instead, it does not deposit black, but rather a light aqua blue. It should not take a lot, but it is important to burn out the organics, and H2O2 or ozone would be great for that. Marshall Jeanne Shuford wrote: AM HAVING A NEW HOT TUB DELIVERED TOMORROW. HOW MUCH CS WOULD IT TAKE TO KEEP IT PURE AND CLEAN? HAS ANY ONE WITH A HOT TUB GOT THE COMBINATION? WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR INPUT. JEN -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS vs. the FDA- where is the accurate history?
Reid Harvey wrote: Marshall, I haven't been aware of the history of which you speak, regarding the FDA's creation due to the threat posed to the drug companies by CS and other so called alternatives. I'd be grateful if you could cite the source of this very interesting information! Where is the history accurately recounted? I would savour every word. Meanwhile I'll stand by my assertion that a big part of what's involved is neurosis. I think it's also easy to justify regulation and the approval process on the basis of the flim flam alternatives. Just the other day I was taken to task in a presentation I did, that rhino horn and other snake oil do indeed justify government warning, What is wrong with snake oil? From what I have read it is really quite good for rheumatism. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCC
ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Hi Marshall, If you use the same setup, do you get about the same results with copper that you do when you use silver? I only tried it once, and it appeared to work. I have tried it with gold with no luck whatsoever, but I had some wire made up of about 30% gold and 70% silver and that seemed to work ok, but I was afraid to take it for fear it might cross the blood brain barrier. Marshall Have you tried it with gold? Andy From: Marshall Dudley The conductivity is a non-issue. You are talking about millionths of a volt drop at the current we are talking about. If you are using 27 volts it is plenty for silver or copper. Covalent bonding is not an relevent, we are talking about a pure metal, not a compound. I have made it myself without any problems using 27 to 30 volts. Marshall ascottsil...@aol.com wrote: Hi Marshall, Is it really the same? I would think that you might need a higher voltage for copper because copper isn't as good of a conductor as silver. Also, what about covalent bonding and lattice structures, etc.? Andy From: Marshall Dudley Just like silver, except use copper wire. You can buy pretty pure copper wire at Home Depot or Lowes, simply purchase some 14 gauge romex and strip off the insulation. Marshall Jeanne Shuford wrote: so alright you guys how do I make colloidal copper?please
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
The cranberry didn't seem to be getting the trick done this year. We used it successfully when she was smaller ( or so I thought, the fact that she has kidney damage now is an indication that it wasn't working quite as well as I thought...) Anyway She has had four infections since the beginning of this year, it seems to be getting worse instead of better. This latest infection has been resistant to antibiotics for a month now. Think about what it would be like for you to suffer a UTI for a month straight. Now jump back to when you were a kid. Incontinence isn't fun for anyone but I'd wager it's most damaging to self esteem when it's the first day of school, or the first visit to a friends house...And you're not two and in diapers anymore. I decided yesterday that perhaps we needed to up the does of the cranberry to see what that does. But if this is truly due to the way her system is built inside, then perhaps the allopaths are right this time... Sharon Dear Sharon, You said: She has been on probiotics for a while now. She was also on cranberry extract, and it just seems like she can never stop taking it because every time she does, bang, back they come. I will try to get some Primal Defense right away. Maybe that will help. ** Probiotics are notorious for having quite a range in quality. If the cranberry works, is there a reason she couldn't stay on it? I think you'll find the Primal Defense makes a difference. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSincreased contamination of water/Alex
REally...why? What happened that made the water go bad. Is my Brita any good against this? Ice Why ? Because since the Sep,11 tragedy, much of the nations tap water now contains 4 time tyhe chemicals it used to... Just stear clear of it... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
Dear Sharon, You said: But if this is truly due to the way her system is built inside, then perhaps the allopaths are right this time... ** Exactly what is it they are saying? Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
Well, that makes it seem better. A dollar a day I can deal with! Thanks for the info Catherine! Sharon Whew- that stuff is not cheap. thirty bucks for three ounces?? 3 0z. of Primal Defense is at least a month's supply. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CS vs. the FDA- where is the accurate history?
What is wrong with snake oil? From what I have read it is really quite good for rheumatism. Marshall Right again, Marshall! http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m42749.html : Snake oil originally came from China where it had a long history of use for inflammation and pain in rheumatoid arthritis, bursitis, etc. by rubbing on the skin. Chinese laborers brought it to the US for treating the pains from building the railroads and then gave it to Europeans. US Patent medicine promoters ridiculed the claim and, it has had the stigma ever since. But in 1989, a sample of oil from the Chinese water snake obtained from San Francisco's Chinatown was analyzed and found to be composed of over 20% of the omega 3 derivative, eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA)...---Brad Kirby. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSincreased contamination of water/Alex
Where did this information come from? Jim Why ? Because since the Sep,11 tragedy, much of the nations tap water now contains 4 time tyhe chemicals it used to... Just stear clear of it... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
http://www.globalsweet.com/SearchResult.asp?Category=D supply It's D Mannose that is the big gun with bladder infections. This site gives information. Active ingredient in cranberry juice http://www.tahoma-clinic.com/mannose.shtml From: Sharon tala...@teleport.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:47 AM Subject: Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure The cranberry didn't seem to be getting the trick done this year. We used it successfully when she was smaller ( or so I thought, the fact that she has kidney damage now is an indication that it wasn't working quite as well as I thought...) Anyway She has had four infections since the beginning of this year, it seems to be getting worse instead of better. This latest infection has been resistant to antibiotics for a month now. Think about what it would be like for you to suffer a UTI for a month straight. Now jump back to when you were a kid. Incontinence isn't fun for anyone but I'd wager it's most damaging to self esteem when it's the first day of school, or the first visit to a friends house...And you're not two and in diapers anymore. I decided yesterday that perhaps we needed to up the does of the cranberry to see what that does. But if this is truly due to the way her system is built inside, then perhaps the allopaths are right this time... Sharon Dear Sharon, You said: She has been on probiotics for a while now. She was also on cranberry extract, and it just seems like she can never stop taking it because every time she does, bang, back they come. I will try to get some Primal Defense right away. Maybe that will help. ** Probiotics are notorious for having quite a range in quality. If the cranberry works, is there a reason she couldn't stay on it? I think you'll find the Primal Defense makes a difference. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRE Distilled Water, reply to Ole Bob
Hi Ole Bob, Thank you for answering. The post I read before warns that CS should not be made without a ppm/tds meter, because DW has to be verified genuine or you will end up making Silver-Chloride. Is this true?, and if so is the internet the only place you can buy a meter? I also read that CS should not be taken with any food or liquid and that you should wait several hours before you eat or drink anything. Does that include water too? Thank you for your insight, Jean - Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM).
CSCS re Distilled water addendum
I forgot to mention in my previous posts about letting tap water sit for approx 24 hrs before using; This water is double distilled before I use it to make CS, other wise it is for potable use. Harold --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/03 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThermal Stirring
Ode other thermal stirring affectionados, You are right - base lights for thermal stirring are scarce as hen's teeth. But, taad!, have a look at these: http://www.jomoeng.com/ Nice variety, just the right size (3.2 x 3.2 inch), 7 watt bulb, for $9.35 each. I ordered two of them - will report on their suitability when I get them. By the way, a chassis punch makes a very good, smooth edged hole in can or candy tin lids. --Steve Y. - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 5:51 AM Subject: Re: CSThermal Stirring Having searched for that very item to stock for better that 2 years...$15 PLUS shipping is as cheap as it gets. Ode -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CS vs. the FDA- where is the accurate history?
Marshall, Ha, Ha, Ha! So the snake oil salesmen are entirely exonerated, unless of course, they themselves believed their product to be fraudulent! I'm afraid this gets terribly complicated, and for the first time I sympathize with the lawyers. And what about if the papers say the government is warning the public against colloidal silver and rhino horns? How do people sort that one out? Or is rhino horn a good thing? Marshall, What is wrong with snake oil? From what I have read it is really quite good for rheumatism. Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSULCCDC CS Generator
Greetings, Mike Monett inspired me to try a change in the way I brew CS. Usually I use a constant current of about 1.2 ma with 12 gauge silver wires with wetted length of about 4.5 inches spaced about 2 inches in a quart canning jar filled with Wallmart steam distilled water. I start with a voltage of about 170 and 4 hours later it ends at about 8 volts. It is stirred with a 30 rpm motor the entire time. PWT reading right after brewing is around 15 uS, and after a day or so it measures around 12. Some sludge falls off to the bottom, and both electrodes get a bit cruddy. The product is crystal clear with very low Tyndall effect. The new way, ultra-low constant current DC, uses 0.2 ma for 24 hours (6 times longer and 6 times less current). Everything else is the same, except I used thermal stirring (7 watt night light) instead of mechanical stirring. I just finished a batch and as expected, it also reads 15 uS. But as Mike reported earlier, the electrodes stay much cleaner and no sludge fell off them. Looks like a better way to go. Power source was 24 volt AC rectified filtered and an LM334 constant current regulator set at 0.2 ma using a 330 ohm resistor. Simple and safe (low voltage). Starting voltage to the electrodes was about 17 volts and 24 hours later it was 1.6 volts. So I am now thinking a very good CS generator can be made with a base light for thermal stirring (see my other post for a source), a 20 to 24 volt wall-wart AC transformer (AC adapter), a diode, an electrolytic capacitor, two resistors, and an LM334. Whole thing would cost less than $30 including shipping for the parts. Or for those liking batteries, it could be done with the base light, 3 9-volt batteries, the LM334 and one resistor. LM334s are available from electronic supply houses for less than one dollar. I get mine from Jameco (www.jameco.com). A timer to shut it off after 24 hours would be useful, but if one shuts it off anytime within 20 to 28 hours, a good brew will be produced. One power supply could power many LM334s feeding many jars if one needed to make more than a quart a day. If you try this method, please share your results with the list. --Steve Y. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver saturated water purifiers and AgNO3
Mike, I value your observations, and those of others. Please continue with any other thoughts. Regarding your comments, following, I've inserted my observations in CAPS: Mike D. said: G'morning Reid, ... Tests indicate the purifiers remove 99% of all partcles down to 1.0 micron, and I'd think this would happen near the surface. Which raises the question of whether it is at the surface that you want the most antimicrobial activity? I'M BEGINNING TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE DISINFECTION HAPPENS AT THE SURFACE, BUT I THINK IT TAKES SOME MINUTES FOR THE PATHOGENS TO DIE (SOME SAY 'BECOME INACTIVATED'). OTHERWISE I ALSO LIKE THE IDEA OF OVER KILL, SILVER THROUGHOUT THE MEDIUM. I also want to explore the possibility of firing upto about 600C, at which temperature the carbon should burn off. But I don't know what this may do to the silver bond. And because of the higher temperatures at which the pottery is fired, upto 1050C, the silver in whatever form can only be applied after firing. The melting point of silver is 961, boiling point 2212... Vapor pressure of molten silver at 1050 C, if I calculate it right, is about 15 millitorr or 2x10e-5 atm. Given a fine-pored matrix would the silver, at most, be somewhat depleted at the surface, but still present in the bulk of the ceramic? I UNDERSTAND THAT SILVER NITRATE WILL DECOMPOSE AT ABOUT 444C. I'M TOLD SILVER IS VERY ACTIVE WITH MOST CERAMICS, BUT IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING THAT THE CRC HANDBOOK SAYS THAT SILVER OXIDE WILL GO TO SILVER METAL AS LOW AS 230C. WHO AMONG US KNOWS WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENING WITH THE SILVER AT 600? THAT'S THE TEMP WHERE CARBON BURNS OFF. SHORT OF A LOT OF EXPERIMENTATION SOME KIND OF HEADS UP WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. ANYHOW, WHATEVER WE DO COME UP WITH FOR SILVER, THE POTTERY MEDIUM IS PROVING TO BE VERY APPROPRIATE. Would it be worth a try to mix the dry clay with CS or a silver nitrate solution instead of water, and testing the resulting material for germicidal activity? MIXING WITH THE CLAY, AND NOT SATURATING WITH THE FIRED CERAMIC MEDIUM, MAY CARRY A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF PROBLEMS. FOR ONE THING THERE WILL HAVE BEEN NO BONDING BETWEEN ADJACENT CLAY PARTICLES, WHICH HAPPENS AT UPPER TEMPERATURES. CERAMISTS CALL THIS PHENOMENON 'SPOT WELDING' FOR WANT OF A BETTER TERM. THE PERMEABLE MEDIUM FOR A PILE OF CLAY PARTICLES WOULD BE QUITE DIFFERENT. As for firing to 600C to burn off the carbon, what are you concerned about? The form the silver might take? Your hope is to be left with silver metal, right? Does silver form oxides at those temperatures? I'M CONCERNED THAT PROSPECTIVES USERS OF THE PURIFIERS MAY NOT GO FOR A BLACK ONE. WHAT'S USUALLY IN THE MARKET IS SOMEWHAT WHITE, AND IT MAY EVEN BE A BIT OF A LEAP FOR PEOPLE TO ACCEPT OUR RED PURIFIERS. ALSO, SILVER METAL SHOULD HAVE THE ADVANTAGE THAT IT'S BONDED TO THE CERAMIC AND NOT JUST STUCK THERE, AS SILVER OXIDE IS. Interesting work, Reid. Be well, Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpool
On Wed, 04 Jun 2003 07:20:27 -0400, Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net wrote: I bet someone could take a clean copper sheet, place it on an electric stove burner with a touch of acid soldering flux till it's nearly red hot and melt silver onto the surface of the copper. Hmmm... What I recall of brazing, there is a silver brazing flux available. The act of brazing sucks the brazing rod into the joint via capillary action. Sounds made to order. Chuck Honk If You Love Peace and Quiet. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCC
On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 12:35:52 -0400, Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com wrote: I have tried it with gold with no luck whatsoever, but I had some wire made up of about 30% gold and 70% silver and that seemed to work ok, but I was afraid to take it for fear it might cross the blood brain barrier. Marshall It's my understanding that gold has to be arced (sputtered) underwater to create colloids. Chuck Remember: First you pillage, then you burn. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE Distilled Water, reply to Ole Bob
Jean, Feel comfortable with what you're doing. You are reacting to people that want to take a process to the nth degree, no need for meters etc. unless you need a science project. I've used grocery store distilled water for 5 years with never a bad batch. Worry more about soap residue from cleaning the brewing container. BTW, a tds meter would be the wrong one to get. A pwt is the one you want. (IF you want to approximate the ppm of your brew) Chuck If your feet smell and your nose runs, you're built upside down. On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:08:08 -0700 (PDT), Jean DeMasters purplepixi...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Ole Bob, Thank you for answering. The post I read before warns that CS should not be made without a ppm/tds meter, because DW has to be verified genuine or you will end up making Silver-Chloride. Is this true?, and if so is the internet the only place you can buy a meter? I also read that CS should not be taken with any food or liquid and that you should wait several hours before you eat or drink anything. Does that include water too? Thank you for your insight, Jean -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE Distilled Water, reply to Ole Bob
Jean, I have a used 15VDC/1A power supply from a went south scanner going to two #12 . silver wire with nothing in between, it works wonderful, I do watch it with a PWT. I can go from nothing to over 65 PPM (PWT reading) I will get flakes with the higher PPM but I haven't got any color. I can send you a lot of run times showing the PPM per hour if you want. Heck it is all good just go for it. Sincerely Yours, Hank http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html http://www.babelmagazine.com/wing.html http://members.myecom.net/hdka/ct/ct.html - Original Message - From: cking...@nycap.rr.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 10:44 PM Subject: Re: CSRE Distilled Water, reply to Ole Bob Jean, Feel comfortable with what you're doing. You are reacting to people that want to take a process to the nth degree, no need for meters etc. unless you need a science project. I've used grocery store distilled water for 5 years with never a bad batch. Worry more about soap residue from cleaning the brewing container. BTW, a tds meter would be the wrong one to get. A pwt is the one you want. (IF you want to approximate the ppm of your brew) Chuck If your feet smell and your nose runs, you're built upside down. On Thu, 05 Jun 2003 15:08:08 -0700 (PDT), Jean DeMasters purplepixi...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Ole Bob, Thank you for answering. The post I read before warns that CS should not be made without a ppm/tds meter, because DW has to be verified genuine or you will end up making Silver-Chloride. Is this true?, and if so is the internet the only place you can buy a meter? I also read that CS should not be taken with any food or liquid and that you should wait several hours before you eat or drink anything. Does that include water too? Thank you for your insight, Jean -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
