CS>Re: CS>RE: CS>3200 ppm CS & Mexico¹s drinking water

[Wolf Creek Ranch]

Hi Alex ~

Like your website! :-)  It is still under construction and noted there is no
pricing for the Microdyn.  How much does it cost and for what size bottle?

Thanks!  Keep up the great work!

Happy Howling,

Julie & Critters
Wolf Creek Ranch
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- Original Message -
From: "Alex Torres" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 3:25 PM
Subject: CS>RE: CS>3200 ppm CS & Mexico¹s drinking water


> Dear Bill, Reid and Jack,
> That's the difference in price versus real effectiveness.
> The only one I back with my name is Microdyn. I tested and tried the
> other brands here in Mexico and the only one that really works is
> Microdyn.
> And is true, Microdyn went from a big size to a small size same price,
> but at this price it is really cheap.
> Alex
> P.S. All profits from Microdyn sales are applied completely to our non
> profit clinic for cancer and AIDS treatment in Mexicali Mexico.
>
> www.geocities.com/compu_dr/
>
> Thanks for your help!
> Alex
> -Original Message-
> From: Reid Harvey [mailto:pott...@wlink.com.np]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:24 AM
> To: silver list
> Subject: Re: CS>3200 ppm CS & Mexico¹s drinking water
>
> Hi Bill,
> Thanks for this information.  BTW I think if you check the math you'll
> find that 0.32% solution is the same as 3200ppm.  Also, I think a rough
> verification of ppm is to be had by using a Hanna PWT where adding
> Microdyn drop by drop to a measured amount of water.
>
> Out of curiosity do you know of any studies of the effects of Microdyn
> or the other brands?
> Regards,
> Reid
>
> Bill Missett wrote:
> Reid & Jack:
>
> There are at least five companies in Mexico producing CS with the same
> rating as Microdyn (not 3200 ppm, but rather 0.32 percent CS rating on
> the
> label). Some go higher, to 0.35 and 0.36.
>
> We went around and around on this issue years ago, and to my knowledge,
> no
> one has ever tested Microdyn for its actual ppm rating.  But it is very
> potent, working in DROP dosages instead of teaspoon or tablespoon doses.
>
> About one year ago, Microdyn repackaged its product, going from a 25 ml
> bottle to a 15 ml bottle, keeping the price the same.  At the same time,
> one
> of the CS competitors, Bac-Dyn, produced a 35 ml bottle at a lower price
>
> than the 15 ml Microdyn. (About 80 cents a bottle versus $1US)  I
> quickly
> bought up about 15 bottles of the Bac-Dyn.  (CS price wars in Mexico!!)
>
> But about 8-10 months ago, I read a post from Marshall Dudley (I
> believe)
> who said he had produced a bad batch of CS, and it had turned his
> fingernails blue.  I checked my fingernails, and damned if they weren't
> blue.
>
> I blamed the Bac-Dyn, because I had been taking MicroDyn for six years
> with
> no problems whatsoever.  I immediately stopped taking the Bac-Dyn
> internally
> (but kept using it externally) and within three months, my fingernails
> were
> back to normal.
>
> Although practically everybody in Mexico uses Microdyn or one of the
> other
> CS products, I have never seen a blue Mexican.  They are all a lovely
> shade
> of brown.
>
> That's about as anecdotal as you can get.
>
> Bill Missett
> Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca, Mexico
>
>  ps:  MicroDyn also sells its product in 1&2 liter bottle sizes, at huge
>
> discounts.  I understand it is available at the Price Club and Sam's
> Club in
> Acapulco, the nearest big city to me.
>
>
>
>
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CS>Pulser

[Brickeyk]

I just bought a new magnetic pulser from www.EM-Probe.com.  My magnetic 
pulser was a one shot device and was triggered manually.  The EM-Probe is 
automatic 
and operates at 70 PPS.  DR Gordon developed it and 3 years ago was told to 
get on the list for a heart transplant, he puts it in his shirt pocket and lets 
it run on a 9 VDC battery all the time.  He is going to bike from Washington 
State to Ohio leaving Sept. 5th!  With the same worn out heart.  DR Gordon 
started me off in the early 80s with a cold medical laser.  I have a toe 
fracture 
that will not heal.  He said to strap the EM-Probe on my sore toe and let it 
run all night.  The fracture is around 15 years old and the longest known 
fracture that was corrected is 16 years old.  So I am pushing the limit.  It 
has 
reduced the pain, my old pulser also reduces the toe pain from the fracture.  
DR Gordon has a permit from the medical people to experiment with electrical 
devices.  He said DR Rife did not get the permit and the medical people 
discredit Rifes work.  Gordon said they tried to take away his license but the 
permit 
stopped them.

My 2 year Barrets Esophagus endoscope tests came back, no cancer, no 
H-Pylori, several stomach polyps, and still the Hiatal Hernia at the top 
sphincter 
valve.  I have been taking at least 2 ounces of CS each day.  I did not require 
the reaming like the last 3 times where my esophagus was narrowing to the point 
that I could not swallow.  I believe the CS has at least kept the problem 
from getting worse.

Brickey

CS>Re: 3200 ppm CS & Mexico¹s drinking water

[jrowland]

> ...I have never seen a blue Mexican---Bill
"SUDAN...the land of the Pyramids, the land of the Blue Blacks, the land
of the Nile..."
http://www.kolaboof.com/gallery.htm
A very mineral-rich country, including silver...hmmh.
http://embassysudanindia.org/investment/mining.html
jr


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Re: CS>Re: Colloidal gold

[Dan Nave]

Stay on the silver list.  There's a lot of colloidal gold info here.  You
also get to read a whole lot of unsolicited smart-ass comments by Jack
Dayton...

Re: CS>Re: Colloidal gold

From: Jack Dayton (view other messages by this author)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:36:00

> Which entries are you referring to...

*
Everything you could ever want to know
on the subject will be found by selecting google,
and then entering --  colloidal gold
I think I saw that 37,200 hits were available.
When you finish reading, get back to us
with all that you learned.

Jack




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CS>RE: CS>3200 ppm CS & Mexico¹s drinking water

[Alex Torres]

Dear Bill, Reid and Jack,
That's the difference in price versus real effectiveness.
The only one I back with my name is Microdyn. I tested and tried the
other brands here in Mexico and the only one that really works is
Microdyn.
And is true, Microdyn went from a big size to a small size same price,
but at this price it is really cheap.
Alex
P.S. All profits from Microdyn sales are applied completely to our non
profit clinic for cancer and AIDS treatment in Mexicali Mexico. 

www.geocities.com/compu_dr/

Thanks for your help!
Alex
-Original Message-
From: Reid Harvey [mailto:pott...@wlink.com.np] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:24 AM
To: silver list
Subject: Re: CS>3200 ppm CS & Mexico¹s drinking water

Hi Bill,
Thanks for this information.  BTW I think if you check the math you'll
find that 0.32% solution is the same as 3200ppm.  Also, I think a rough
verification of ppm is to be had by using a Hanna PWT where adding
Microdyn drop by drop to a measured amount of water.

Out of curiosity do you know of any studies of the effects of Microdyn
or the other brands?
Regards,
Reid

Bill Missett wrote:
Reid & Jack:

There are at least five companies in Mexico producing CS with the same
rating as Microdyn (not 3200 ppm, but rather 0.32 percent CS rating on
the
label). Some go higher, to 0.35 and 0.36.

We went around and around on this issue years ago, and to my knowledge,
no
one has ever tested Microdyn for its actual ppm rating.  But it is very
potent, working in DROP dosages instead of teaspoon or tablespoon doses.

About one year ago, Microdyn repackaged its product, going from a 25 ml
bottle to a 15 ml bottle, keeping the price the same.  At the same time,
one
of the CS competitors, Bac-Dyn, produced a 35 ml bottle at a lower price

than the 15 ml Microdyn. (About 80 cents a bottle versus $1US)  I
quickly
bought up about 15 bottles of the Bac-Dyn.  (CS price wars in Mexico!!)

But about 8-10 months ago, I read a post from Marshall Dudley (I
believe)
who said he had produced a bad batch of CS, and it had turned his
fingernails blue.  I checked my fingernails, and damned if they weren't
blue.

I blamed the Bac-Dyn, because I had been taking MicroDyn for six years
with
no problems whatsoever.  I immediately stopped taking the Bac-Dyn
internally
(but kept using it externally) and within three months, my fingernails
were
back to normal.

Although practically everybody in Mexico uses Microdyn or one of the
other
CS products, I have never seen a blue Mexican.  They are all a lovely
shade
of brown.

That's about as anecdotal as you can get.

Bill Missett
Puerto Escondido, Oaxaca, Mexico

 ps:  MicroDyn also sells its product in 1&2 liter bottle sizes, at huge

discounts.  I understand it is available at the Price Club and Sam's
Club in
Acapulco, the nearest big city to me.




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RE: CS>3200 ppm CS in 1 & 2 liter sizes - and CS filters

[Alex Torres]

Reid,
The strange thing is that all bacteria are destroyed instantly at the
contact with the ceramic. Do you have one Katadyn filter or saw one? I
opened one and the clusters are really big, supposedly are ionic
silver...
You said that the ceramic is the disinfectant medium that contains the
silver. I have one filter that is in use today, water negative to coli
pathogens, and was in use for 38 years! No silver reduction... I
weighted it 38 years ago and today same weight. These silver granules
are forever? No silver matter lost?
Alex
P.S. I will perform the next experiment at the University of Baja
California: Take out the silver granules from a Katadyn filter and test
the coli concentration, then add again these silver granules to again
test the coli concentration. Of course with Mexican water... What do you
think? Some suggestions?

-Original Message-
From: Reid Harvey [mailto:pott...@wlink.com.np] 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 6:01 PM
To: silver list
Subject: RE: CS>3200 ppm CS in 1 & 2 liter sizes - and CS filters

Alex,
Thanks for your continuing information on Microdyn and CS in Mexico.  If
only other poor countries would adopt the use of CS!  Allow me to make a
small correction on what you've said about Katadyn filters and more
specifically silver saturated ceramic filters in general.

Some of these filters do contain silver materials in the inner void of
the candle, but the pathogen removal happens inside the ceramic medium.
This is because small clusters of atoms or molecules of silver metal
and/ or silver oxide are dipersed thoughout the medium.  On contact with
the silver the pathogens are killed (some say rendered harmless).

I doubt the silver material thats in the inner void of the candle has
much effect, since its active surface area is relatively little.  By
contrast the active surface area of the silver within the medium is
immense, and pathogens are forced into intimate contact with this.
Imagine that a 1.0 gram ingot of silver may have a surface area of
something like 0.2 cms. sq., just a guess on my part.  But break that
ingot up into clusters of atoms, saturate the filter with it and you may
end up with something like 100 sq. meters of active surface area.  It is
this silver, situated in the ceramics that the pathogens encounter as
they wend their tortuous way through the filter.
Regards,
Reid

Alex Torres wrote:
The Katadyn filter destroys COMPLETELLY ALL fungus, bacteria,
spores or virus. I tested and analyzed at the University the purity of
this water. Zero bacteria, no coli bacteria.  Do you know what's inside
the filter? Silver granules! No more, no less, encased in a ceramic that
traps the BIG particles



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Re: CS>Re: Colloidal gold

[Jack Dayton]

jrowl...@nctimes.net   8/26/03 8:41 AM  Wrote:

> Which entries are you referring to...
> Entering "colloidal gold" in the Search field yields 326 results;
> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m53850.html
> http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m53849.html
> are but 2 examples.
> jr
*
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on the subject will be found by selecting google,
and then entering --  colloidal gold
I think I saw that 37,200 hits were available.
When you finish reading, get back to us
with all that you learned.

Jack


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CS>Submerged Pump

[Trem]

The silver that is pushed off  the electrodes just falls to the bottom of the 
vessel and stays there.  It doesn't stay in suspension.  Water velocity has to 
be high enough to keep the conductivity uniform throughout the water or the 
generator will shut down prematurely.  That's why I like to see the surface 
roiling.  Then I know for sure the water is moving fast enough.

Trem 

- Original Message - 
  From: Ode Coyote 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:38 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Submerged Pump


  So, it does form but doesn't stay on the electrodes.
  I've never let 'grey fuzzy' fallout bother me as it does stay behind or can 
be filtered. If left alone it tends to dissolve into a white mist identical to 
the so called "ion cloud" for the most part, adding to the suspensionbut I 
try not to make it in the first place.
  It's, at best ,wasteful, though probably not the least bit harmful and at 
worst, unattractive.
  ..not that I would stir it in on purpose.

  What happens if you reduce water circulation to 'just moving' sufficiently to 
disrupt and distribute?

  Ode

  At 09:08 AM 8/25/2003 -0700, you wrote: 
  

I haven't ever seen any buildup on the electrodes at ANY water velocity. 
It's because the generator reverses the polarity to the electrodes continually 
which pushes the accumulated silver off the cathode each cycle. Basically self 
cleaning. I can set the pump volume with a control on the front of the pump. As 
long as there's enough water flow through the electrode assembly it seems to 
make no difference how fast the water moves. I like to see the surface roiling 
as that indicates to me there's enough velocity for sure. 

The silver falls to the bottom of the vessel and when the CS is drained 
through the spigot, the silver stays in the bottom and the clear CS pours out.

Trem 

- Original Message - 

  From: Ode Coyote 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:23 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>Submerged Pump

  I've found the the water circulation speed doesn't have an effect on the 
CS quality but it does have an effect on deposit buildups on the electrodes 
[the grey fuzzies] which in turn have an effect on auto off calibration because 
the deposits are semi insulative.
  They tend to grow into the direction of the water flow and fall off if 
they get too thick making a layer of crud in the bottom.
  There is a sweet spot under which these effects are not a problem.
  I'm assuming that the SG7 has found and is using that perfect water 
velocity range commensurate with the electrode spacing and current to prevent 
crud buildup and drop off.
  Ode

  At 08:56 AM 8/24/2003 -0700, you wrote: 
  

Can I jump in here? We use 7/16 to 1/2 inch spacing on our SG7 Pro. 
With the electrodes that close together the current gradient between plates is 
pretty strong right at startup and we reach current limiting very quickly. 
However the water has to be moving fairly rapidly or the unit will shut down 
because it senses voltage drop across the electrodes to control the shutoff 
point. We use a submergible fountain pump to keep the water moving vigorously. 
The idea that it takes very slow water movement to produce good CS doesn't have 
any effect on our generator. It produces particle size in the general range of 
.001 to .005 microns. 

So, I think closer is better if you can keep the water moving. Why have 
to wait to get up to speed?

My 2 cents.

Regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: ascottsil...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:32 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>Submerged Pump

  Hi Ole Bob,

  Wouldn't spacing the electrodes farther apart be a "good thing" if 
you were producing a couple of gallons at a time and your power supply was set 
up to compensate for it? It seems to me that it might speed things up a little. 
Does a slow start (low voltage) or a fast start (higher voltage) make a 
difference if the final current is limited? 

  Andy

  From: Robert Berger

  Hi Andy,

  The current drops down and it takes longer to get to the current
  limiting level.

  "Ole Bob"

  ascottsil...@aol.com wrote:

  > Hi Ole Bob,
  >
  > What happens when you increase the anode to cathode spacing?
  >
  > Andy




  



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CS>Re: Colloidal gold

[jrowland]

Which entries are you referring to...
Entering "colloidal gold" in the Search field yields 326 results;
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m53850.html
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m53849.html
are but 2 examples.
jr


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Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra

[Marshall Dudley]

My mother was killed by a doctor as well.  She started feel bad so I told her
to take colloidal silver. But it made her sick (which it had never done
before), and I could never convince her that she had something serious since
she was getting a herx, and that since she was getting a herx, it was taking
care of the problem.  She went for about 6 months with the doctor telling her
she was fine and refusing to take any CS, until finally when she collapsed, she
was diagnosed as having cancer.

The doctor wanted to give her chemo, but I insisted that if he did he would
kill her in less than a week.  I begged her to not take chemo, and to try B17,
CS and other things that would help kill the cancer without killing her. But
the doctor convinced her to do the chemo. It kille her in less than 48 hours.

Things would have been much easier and less expensive if she had simply gone
and found someone to shoot her in the head.  She suffered a heck of a lot those
last 2 days at the hands of the hospital's quacks.

Marshall

Orpha Yoder wrote:

> My youngest uncle was killed by someone who carries a stethoscope . . . not
> until he was in a coma and dying, did they discover (through a bone marrow
> test) that he was treated for the wrong disease for 2 years. The medication
> he took was feeding the disease and it killed him at 34 years of age.
>
> Now if he would have taken Colloidal Silver or Coral Calcium or Noni Juice
> or Transfer Factor, or whatever  supplement that he would have chosen, his
> death would have made national news with the FDA saying the natural
> supplements killed him . . . but, it was not news, it is a regular
> occurrence here in America.
>
> I am thankful for doctors for emergencies and other times that we may need
> them, I just do not depend on them to enhance my health.
>
> Best regards,
> Orpha
>
> www.v4l.com/ProsperandbeinHealth
> 3 John 2
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:12 AM
> Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
>
> > Yep, you are over 1,000 times as likely to be killed by someone that owns
> a
> > stethoscope than a gun.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > Orpha Yoder wrote:
> >
> > > Leading killer in America: Heart Disease
> > >
> > > Second leading killer: Cancer
> > >
> > > Third leading killer: Medical and hospital errors, etc . . .
> > >
> > > Sobering facts.
> > >
> > > - Orpha
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Jack Dayton" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 5:03 PM
> > > Subject: Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
> > >
> > > > Dick Rochon   8/22/03 11:07 AM  Wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Ephedra supplements have caused less than 25 reported deaths, ever!
> > > Aspirin
> > > > > causes hundreds, or more, every year.
> > > > ***
> > > > So do doctors and pharmacists
> > > > and hospitals...
> > > >
> > > > Jack
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: CS>Submerged Pump

[Ode Coyote]

 So, it does form but doesn't stay on the electrodes.
I've never let 'grey fuzzy' fallout bother me as it does stay behind or can be filtered.  If left alone it tends to dissolve into a white mist identical to the so called "ion cloud" for the most part, adding to the suspensionbut I try not to make it in the first place.
It's, at best ,wasteful, though probably not the least bit harmful and at worst, unattractive.
..not that I would stir it in on purpose.

What happens if you reduce water circulation to 'just moving' sufficiently to disrupt and distribute?

Ode

At 09:08 AM 8/25/2003 -0700, you wrote: 

I haven't ever seen any buildup on the electrodes at ANY water velocity.  It's because the generator reverses the polarity to the electrodes continually which pushes the accumulated silver off the cathode each cycle.  Basically self cleaning.  I can set the pump volume with a control on the front of the pump.  As long as there's enough water flow through the electrode assembly it seems to make no difference how fast the water moves.  I like to see the surface roiling as that indicates to me there's enough velocity for sure.  


The silver falls to the bottom of the vessel and when the CS is drained through the spigot, the silver stays in the bottom and the clear CS pours out.


Trem 


- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 5:23 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Submerged Pump


I've found the the water circulation speed doesn't have an effect on the CS quality but it does have an effect on deposit buildups on the electrodes [the grey fuzzies] which in turn have an effect on auto off calibration because the deposits are semi insulative.
They tend to grow into the direction of the water flow and fall off if they get too thick making a layer of crud in the bottom.
There is a sweet spot under which these effects are not a problem.
I'm assuming that the SG7 has found and is using that perfect water velocity range commensurate with the electrode spacing and current to prevent crud buildup and drop off.
Ode

At 08:56 AM 8/24/2003 -0700, you wrote: 

Can I jump in here? We use 7/16 to 1/2 inch spacing on our SG7 Pro. With the electrodes that close together the current gradient between plates is pretty strong right at startup and we reach current limiting very quickly. However the water has to be moving fairly rapidly or the unit will shut down because it senses voltage drop across the electrodes to control the shutoff point. We use a submergible fountain pump to keep the water moving vigorously. The idea that it takes very slow water movement to produce good CS doesn't have any effect on our generator. It produces particle size in the general range of .001 to .005 microns. 

So, I think closer is better if you can keep the water moving. Why have to wait to get up to speed?

My 2 cents.

Regards,

Trem Williams
customer_serv...@silvergen.com
- Original Message - 
From: ascottsil...@aol.com 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2003 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Submerged Pump

Hi Ole Bob,

Wouldn't spacing the electrodes farther apart be a "good thing" if you were producing a couple of gallons at a time and your power supply was set up to compensate for it? It seems to me that it might speed things up a little. Does a slow start (low voltage) or a fast start (higher voltage) make a difference if the final current is limited? 

Andy

From: Robert Berger

Hi Andy,

The current drops down and it takes longer to get to the current
limiting level.

"Ole Bob"

ascottsil...@aol.com wrote:

> Hi Ole Bob,
>
> What happens when you increase the anode to cathode spacing?
>
> Andy






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Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra

[Ode Coyote]

 Once a day.. or whenever I think of it or I go somewhere and there's
pollen on it.

 Whet finger and wipe some off and lick finger.
Ode

At 08:54 AM 8/25/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>How often do you have to lick your windshield?
>
>Dan
>
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>Re: CS>Fed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
>
> From: Ode Coyote (view other messages by this author) 
> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 06:18:15 
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>
>
>  I got over my allergies by eating local honey because it's supposed to
>have the local pollen in it.
> Later, I would just lick my windshield once.  Worked for me. No more
>allergic reactions.
> The pollen can get so thick around here that it looks like a yellow wind
>blowing. The rivers run yellow!  It still works something like breathing
>pepper but it's a not an 'allergic' thing anymore.
>
>Humm, not so sure I'd want to lick mold.
>Ode
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