Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[tbass]

CS Gang,

Does anyone know what kind of minimal voltage
applied to the bite will break down spider venom?
I can't see many folks grabbing onto running
automotive sparkplug wires willingly. Or zapping
themselves with a stun gun..!! 

Are we talking microamp currents here? The average 
person starts to feel voltage tingles at around 40 volts 
(depending upon skin resistance) indicating to me there is
some current flow at this voltage level. Think this is
enough to do the neutralizing job?

Any knowledgeable comments..??

Tom Bassett












- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite


> If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt battery will work.
> Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the bite between them.
> The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I just wonder if 
> you would have to do something to reduce the skin resistance a bit.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite
> 
>  From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) 
>  Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 
> 
> Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
> or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
> Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
> zapper probably lacks the power needed.
> 
> Duncan Crow
> 
> > Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
> > recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
> > has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has
> > a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just
> > starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
> > 
> > Becky
> 
> 
> 
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CS>Terminator Zappers

[Robb Allen]

Hi.I've been reading alot about these zappers..about the Mobius 
coils..?.and the orgone generator..?.what the heck are these 
things..do people believe this stuff?.someone please explain what 
these things arethanks.Robb

Re: CS> Intestinal Bloat & MRSA+

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Elle,

R.e. the last question:  only a professional with proper laboratory 
equipment could tell you.I have heard  however that CS kills MRSA 
on surfaces in hospitals.









On Wednesday, Oct 22, 2003, at 01:29 Asia/Tokyo, silversurfer1952 . 
wrote:




Thanks very much, Jonathan.  I`m glad to know that I`m not having some 
weird, unique  reaction.  In addition to the staph aureus in my 
intestines (analysis done by Great Smokies Lab), I tested MRSA+  
before my last surgery (8 years ago)... as a result I was put into a 
private room at the hospital at no extra cost.  Guess there are some 
perks even to having nasties living on me  ;-)


Do you think CS might help to convert an MRSA+ person to negative?

Elle


From: "Jonathan B. Britten" 



Hi, Elle,

I an others have reported rather painful stomach aches in the early 
days of taking CS.  For me, this occured  the first five or so times 
I took CS, if memory serves me.   The pain was bad enough that I 
thought I might give up taking CS.


I assume now that some effect on bacteria in the stomach lining was 
the cause.   It could be helobacter pylori, though this is mere 
speculation.


I no longer have any trouble at all from ingesting even large 
quantities of CS.





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RE: CS>bladder infection

[James Holmes]

If it does not flow into the bladder easily, I would not "force" it.  

-Original Message-
From: ronwilson [mailto:ronlwil...@worldnet.att.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 9:43 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>bladder infection


insert in urethra and force fluid, bladder cancer treatment is using
catheter and gravity to place treatment into bladder.

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: CS>bladder infection

Charles Sutton wrote: 

Yes Rob - It's Gonorrhea.MikeWhat I would try is using a turkey baster, fill
the bladder with CS, and hold it for 6 min.

How the heck do you do that?  Can this be done by males, females, or both? 

You can email me all list if you like. 


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RE: CS>Colloidal Gold >>>> most extensive claims and information website

[James Holmes]

This should be interesting.

-Original Message-
From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@colloidalsciencelab.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:28 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Gold  most extensive claims and information
website


What exactly are you calling "hype and claims"?

frank key



http://www.mesogold.com/mesogold.htm

They seem to have state of the art colloidal gold and lot of hype and
claims. Also just a lot of good solid info on colloidal gold. A lot of the
CG claims are mental, some are physical.

Dan



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Re: cs> Zappers

[silversurfer1952 .]

Hi guys,

I'm interested, at long last, in zappers.  At this point I think I'd rather 
make one myself than shell out an extra $100, which I don't really have, and 
give it a try.  I have basic wiring skills and could make the one pictured 
on the microelectricitygermkiller homepage without any problem.  
(instructions are provided)  
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/microelectricitygermkiller/


Could I get some feedback from any of you on how effective you think this 
homemade devise might be?  Any suggestions for alternative devises that I 
could make, or easily adapt which might be better?  I haven't a clue what 
one should be looking for in a zapper.


Elle



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I use my home made Zapper on spider bites with great
success.


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Re: CS>Colloidal Gold >>>> most extensive claims and information website

[fig227]

OK and I thank you for the information. Chinese alchemy sources on the internet 
refer to a red gold. Mesogold is described as ruby red. Is there any parallel 
with the Mesogold manufacturing process? 
 
  
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6388307&dopt=Abstract
 
  Outline of the beginnings of alchemy and its antecedents.

  Mahdihassan S.

  There had been a long use of Simples as drugs of longevity. Among these red 
substances predominated, red ochre and cinnabar as minerals, ephedra bearing 
red berries and pomegranate and peach as vegetable products. In China herbalism 
became a cult of longevity with its legendary founder as Emperor Shen Nung and 
with the god of longevity finally emerging from the peach as Shou-Sing. To 
excell simple drugs of longevity the first synthetic drug was prepared as brick 
red colloidal gold. It was called Chin-I. Gold-cum-herbal juice. Dialectally it 
was pronounced Kim-Iya, whence Alkimiya in Arabic, and finally alchemy. Chin-I 
was Herbo-golden drug and also gold-making-juice, a miraculous substance. But 
it was not blood-red. Now came Chin-Tan, Cinnabar-gold, red like blood. Its 
redness equalled blood and as such was soul, gold as its acceptor had an 
everlasting body. Chin-Tan was designed as the ideal drug of longevity. Alchemy 
started by making red gold but degenerated, trying to make bullion gold.


Also, from what you're saying Mesogold approaches the monatomic gold talked 
about on the internet 



 
Dan 
 
 
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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Gold  most extensive claims and information 
website


> Dan wrote:
> 
> > > What exactly are you calling "hype and claims"?
> >
> > Colloid size of 9 atoms for their colloidal gold. Is it true or is it
> hype?
> > I don't know
> 
> That value was determined from a measured particle size of 0.65 nm. Using a
> cubic close packing volume reduction of 26%,  Dr. Maass calculated that a
> particle of 0.65 nm diameter would consist of 9 atoms.
> 
> We like to think of it as science, not hype.
> 
> frank key

RE: CS> 3 PPM in your body

[silversurfer1952 .]

Hi James,

I agree that it's probably not necessary to get 3 PPM or even 1 PPM in my 
body as a whole.  It was just an abstract thought since it seems that some 
infections aren't touched by CS.  But, if I have 32.7 litres of water total 
in my body, and to get a 1 PPM solution (just hypothetical and not taking 
into account that silver gets deposited in tissues?)  I would need to take 
32.7 milligrams of silver.  From what I've read toxicity isn't reached until 
one gets into the grams of silver rather than milligrams.  One litre of 10 
PPM contains 10 milligrams of silver, doesn't it?  This type of dosing 
surely wouldn't be warranted on a daily basis, but what about in the 
short-term for stubborn cases of infection?


Elle



From: "James Holmes"

Hello Elle,

You do not need to reach 3 PPM in your body for Ag Sol to be effective.

For a 150 Lb average person, the toxic dose of Ag Sol, of good quality and
not contaminated with impurities, for 10 PPM (Mg/L) is approximately one
standard size bath tub full per 24 hours. Or, about 3.8 Milligrams per day
total  silver.

Consuming 98.1 Milligrams of silver per day will be very toxic.

Most silver is absorbed high in the digestive tract. I have heard some
people try to carry it further in with clay or with Psyllium (Spelling?).

Silver is a potent germicide.  Some bacteria release toxins when they die
and the cell wall opens.  If you take enough silver to kill lots of that
type of bacteria all at once, you can become very ill or die. Symptoms are
frequently headache and fever, possibly chills.   That effect is called the
Jarish-Herxheimer (sp?) reaction, named after the Docs who first noted it.
For that reason, it is considered by many to be good practice to initially
take small amounts of silver, say 2 or three tablespoons full for a day or
so and observe the effect.  If there is no sudden worsening of condition, 
it

is difficult to drink enough 10 PPM Ag Sol to get a toxic dose.

JOH


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Re: CS>mrsa infection

[silversurfer1952 .]

MRSA is methicillin resistant staphyloccus aureus.  Staph aureus used to 
respond to methicillin but no longer!  Vancomycin, a newer, stronger abx is 
often used instead.  These bugs, as you know, become resistant to these 
various abx's over time.


Elle



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What is mrsa infections, please?

DL


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Re: CS>Nasal ingestion & Allergies

[silversurfer1952 .]

Hi David,

How did you cure yourself of allergies?  CS alone?  A close friend of mine 
has bad allergies (dust, cats, etc) which gives her serious nasal 
congestion.


Elle



From: David Bearrow


Before I cured my allergies I used to get a prescription for Nasonex. I 
took an old nasonex sprayer and drilled a small hole in the side near the 
top, drained it, then cleaned it real good with distilled water. Its 
perfect for spraying colloidal silver in my nose.


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CS>Basters,turkey

[Jack Dayton]

Smith, Michael   10/20/03 8:54 AM  Wrote:

 I'll start looking for turkey basters - can you believe I've never seen one
before!
**
That is a stretch - were you raised in a den?  :-)  :-)

I suggest that you look for a plastic one,
you have to be careful you know.

Jack

Be Nice 

Re: CS>bladder infection

[Robb Allen]

I use the really large syringes from my local feed and animal supply storeI 
think mine is about 60 cc's and I have used it without the needle.works for 
male and female...Robb
  - Original Message - 
  From: ronwilson 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:19 PM
  Subject: Re: CS>bladder infection


  checked my cooking drawer, large plastic one, forget it. A smaller glass one 
i have would work. Have had a scope inserted every three months in to bladder 
for many years about the same size. Pain med is used but only reaches inch or 
so. Problem is when it passes prostrate. Only need small insertion 1/4 inch or 
so. Would silver not inter bladder on its way out of body in any case.
- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:42 AM
Subject: Re: CS>bladder infection


Have you ever looked at the end of a turkey baster? I don't think I could 
get it in a urethra.  Seems a small bulb like they use for cleaning a baby's 
nose out would make more sense. 
Marshall 

ronwilson wrote: 

   insert in urethra and force fluid, bladder cancer treatment is using 
catheter and gravity to place treatment into bladder. 
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From: Marshall Dudley
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: CS>bladder infection
 Charles Sutton wrote: 
  Yes Rob - It's Gonorrhea.MikeWhat I would try is using a turkey 
baster, fill the bladder with CS, and hold it for 6 min.
How the heck do you do that?  Can this be done by males, females, or 
both? 
You can email me all list if you like. 

Marshall 
  

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Re: CS>constant current and concentrated CS

[Malcolm Stebbins]

Reid, I'm going to repeat this with some emphasis, and you should check it 
out with any chem teacher you can, or however else you are able:  Sugar in 
an aqueous solution - i.e., distilled water - does not increase the 
conductivity, so whatever increase your measuring equipment is showing it 
is not from the  sugar in honey.  It may be from other 'impurities' or 
constituents of the honey, or it may be an artifact of your system or 
procedure, but sugar water is not an ionic solution.  Take it from there, 
good luck,


Malcolm

At 06:11 AM 10/16/03 +0530, you wrote:


Thanks Marshall,
I did use some CS from the previous batch, about 20 ml., but this didn't
increase the conductivity.  Note this was at the start of the second
batch, where I had used no starter for the first batch.  At the start of
the third batch there was still little increase in conductivity when
using previously made CS as starter.  That's when I went to honey and
got a huge increase in conductivity with only the tiniest drop.  So for
the 2.4 liters the conductivity went from 0.2 uS to 2.8 uS.
Bye for now.
Reid

Marshall said:
If you want to use a starter for a batch to make it go quicker, I
recommend
using some CS from the previous batch.

Marshall




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Re: CS>Colloidal Gold >>>> most extensive claims and information website

[Frank Key]

Dan wrote:

> > What exactly are you calling "hype and claims"?
>
> Colloid size of 9 atoms for their colloidal gold. Is it true or is it
hype?
> I don't know

That value was determined from a measured particle size of 0.65 nm. Using a
cubic close packing volume reduction of 26%,  Dr. Maass calculated that a
particle of 0.65 nm diameter would consist of 9 atoms.

We like to think of it as science, not hype.

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Re: CS>mrsa infection

[d.linen]

David S Osborne wrote:
> 
> ..in the Hampton Roads area they are now alarmed concerning mrsa
> infections, particularly by contact of school athletes.
> 
> anybody familiar??
> davido

What is mrsa infections, please?

DL


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Re: CS>bladder infection

[Jack Dayton]

Rob Combis   10/20/03 7:56 AM  Wrote:

> Can this be done by males, females,
*

You can't imagine the restraint this is taking.

:-)  :-)

Jack

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CS>mrsa infection

[David S Osborne]

..in the Hampton Roads area they are now alarmed concerning mrsa
infections, particularly by contact of school athletes.

anybody familiar??
davido


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Re: CS>RE: CS>RE: CS>CS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

[Jack Dayton]

David Bearrow   10/20/03 7:47 AM  Wrote:

Get yourself to a doctor quickly and GET SOME ANTIBIOTICS prescribed to you!

Dave, it is hard to believe that you wrote
such advice.

Why are you here at a colloidal silver site?

Do you work for the AMA?

Haven't you read anything about CS?

Jack Dayton


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Re: CS>Nasal ingestion

[David Bearrow]

Before I cured my allergies I used to get a prescription for Nasonex. I 
took an old nasonex sprayer and drilled a small hole in the side near the 
top, drained it, then cleaned it real good with distilled water. Its 
perfect for spraying colloidal silver in my nose.


At 02:11 PM 10/21/03, you wrote:
Does anyone know where I can get some bottles for nasal ingestion of 
CS?  I have been looking online but I have had no success.  What does 
everyone else use???  Thanks




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Re: CS>Colloidal Gold >>>> most extensive claims and information website

[Marshall Dudley]

That is right in the range of what Frank produces.  I was comparing to what most
people would make with a LVDC CS unit making silver.

Marshall

fig...@comcast.net wrote:

> > > Colloid size of 9 atoms for their colloidal gold. Is it true or is it
> hype?
> > > I don't know
>
> > That would be a 3 atom cube.  On the small side, but certainly not
> unrealistic,
> > diameter would likely be about .5 or so nm.
>
> http://www.mesogold.com/MesogoldHPPS.pdf
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 4:13 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Gold  most extensive claims and information
> website
>
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > fig...@comcast.net wrote:
> >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Frank Key" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:27 PM
> > > Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Gold  most extensive claims and
> information
> > > website
> > >
> > > > What exactly are you calling "hype and claims"?
> > >
> > > Colloid size of 9 atoms for their colloidal gold. Is it true or is it
> hype?
> > > I don't know
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > > >
> > > > frank key
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://www.mesogold.com/mesogold.htm
> > > >
> > > > They seem to have state of the art colloidal gold and lot of hype and
> > > > claims. Also just a lot of good solid info on colloidal gold. A lot of
> the
> > > > CG claims are mental, some are physical.
> > > >
> > > > Dan
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[fig227]

> > Colloid size of 9 atoms for their colloidal gold. Is it true or is it
hype?
> > I don't know

> That would be a 3 atom cube.  On the small side, but certainly not
unrealistic,
> diameter would likely be about .5 or so nm.


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Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Gold  most extensive claims and information
website


>
> Marshall
>
> fig...@comcast.net wrote:
>
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Frank Key" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Gold  most extensive claims and
information
> > website
> >
> > > What exactly are you calling "hype and claims"?
> >
> > Colloid size of 9 atoms for their colloidal gold. Is it true or is it
hype?
> > I don't know
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > >
> > > frank key
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.mesogold.com/mesogold.htm
> > >
> > > They seem to have state of the art colloidal gold and lot of hype and
> > > claims. Also just a lot of good solid info on colloidal gold. A lot of
the
> > > CG claims are mental, some are physical.
> > >
> > > Dan



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Re: CS>Colloidal Gold >>>> most extensive claims and information website

[Marshall Dudley]

That would be a 3 atom cube.  On the small side, but certainly not unrealistic,
diameter would likely be about .5 or so nm.

Marshall

fig...@comcast.net wrote:

> - Original Message -
> From: "Frank Key" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:27 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Gold  most extensive claims and information
> website
>
> > What exactly are you calling "hype and claims"?
>
> Colloid size of 9 atoms for their colloidal gold. Is it true or is it hype?
> I don't know
>
> Dan
>
> >
> > frank key
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.mesogold.com/mesogold.htm
> >
> > They seem to have state of the art colloidal gold and lot of hype and
> > claims. Also just a lot of good solid info on colloidal gold. A lot of the
> > CG claims are mental, some are physical.
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Re: CS>Nasal ingestion

[Henry Holland Simms]

Henry Holland Simms wrote:


sol wrote:


Rob,

  I just got a bottle of saline nasal spray and emptied it out, 
rinsed it and refilled with CS.


paula

- Original Message -

* From:* Rob Combis 


Does anyone know where I can get some bottles for nasal ingestion
of CS?  I have been looking online but I have had no success. 
What does everyone else use???  Thanks



NETI POT,Frontier herb Co-op.

Holland



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Try: Google: I wrote Neti Pot, nasal douche...and got over 50 hits.Once 
you get used to neti it becomes pretty automatic.It works with saline or 
with CS.


Holland

Re: CS>Colloidal Gold >>>> most extensive claims and information website

[fig227]

- Original Message -
From: "Frank Key" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: CS>Colloidal Gold  most extensive claims and information
website


> What exactly are you calling "hype and claims"?

Colloid size of 9 atoms for their colloidal gold. Is it true or is it hype?
I don't know

Dan




>
> frank key
>
>
>
> http://www.mesogold.com/mesogold.htm
>
> They seem to have state of the art colloidal gold and lot of hype and
> claims. Also just a lot of good solid info on colloidal gold. A lot of the
> CG claims are mental, some are physical.
>
> Dan
>
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RE: CS>constant current and concentrated concrete

[Malcolm Stebbins]

One of the problems with concrete - AKA portland cement, or lime - is that 
it slowly, for weeks and months, recrystallizes.  This is the "cure" you 
have to wait for when you pour a floor or wall, the reason you put plastic 
or wet sacks over newly poured concrete and/or water it down.  It doesn't 
acheive full strength for months, though it gains most of it in the first 
coupla weeks.  The crystals form in the spaces between particles as the 
water slowly leaves.


Most porous concrete is made with additives or fillers that go away after 
the stuff has set, or by using a mix with no fines - e.g., pebbles but no 
sand, as for cinder block.


Concrete technology is getting pretty upscale, you might get a pleasant 
surprise if you contact one of the concrete specialty Co.s  like Burke.


Take care, Malcolm

At 08:43 AM 10/18/03 -0400, you wrote:


 Reid
 There's probably no danger of vaporizing the silver.
 The boiling point of silver is 2210 deg Centigrade.
I "think" that's higher than the firing temperature of pottery.  You would
know better than I about that.

 Cinder block is pretty porous, however, you're right..not much flow.
Porousity is probably linked to strength where the concrete that's porous
enough won't be strong enough.
 The cement part is what gives the strength of the bond to the aggregates
and takes up the spaces that water would seep through.

 It might be possible to smear the inside of a pottery container with a
thin and very weak concrete mix.  [Morter really, as gravel would get in
the way.]
 Essentially, a stabilized sand filter. [mix charcoal dust in too?]
 If that's too weak, then two pots...one inside the other with a layer of
very very weak morter in between...or maybe just charcoal dust mixed wet
with CS?  It may set up a little like a briquette.

 More difficult to make but maybe more porous...a concrete foam, aka,
lightweight concrete made with an airflow as used to level floor systems.
  Nowadays, they make something called "Hable block".  It's a foam concrete
 block that's so light that it floats till it soaks up enough water to
sink.  It can be cut with a hand saw.
 But it takes a day or two to sink a big block.

Ode


At 02:55 AM 10/18/2003 +0530, you wrote:
>Friends,
>To let you know, several years ago I did try making water filters out of
>concrete.  I used a very dry mix, like that of a concrete block, and
>even less water, in hopes there would be some interconnectedness of the
>pores/ voids/ fissures.  However I just wasn't getting the flow.  I'm
>guessing there's something about the concrete bond that prevents the
>flow.  It is apparent, at the very least that it's not possible to fine
>tune the flow rate (average), as is the case with pottery.  For the
>pottery, using about half, pre-fired particles, and half unfired, normal
>clay, there's a pulling away of particles during drying and firing,
>that's caused by shrinkage of the normal clay.  That brings about an
>ideal, and adjustable, permeable medium that's very responsive to
>alteration of flow rate, per composition. So givine the idiosyncracies
>of pottery clays, almost any of these can be rendered into a purifier.
>Maybe some more clever person than I am can make concrete work, but I
>just don't see it.
>
>As to the two liter flask, in the double boiler, my new plan of action
>is that next time I'll simply leave the starter out, using the bigger
>electrodes.  The reaction rate may be slowish but with time I may still
>get viable concentrations.  But I'm also proceeding to a back up
>methodology.  Now we're saturating candles with AgNO3.  I cannot think
>of another silver compound that's so easy to make, with such implicit
>likelihood of small partiucle size.  We're mixing this in with the clay
>materials, then forming purifiers, drying and firng.  Firing will lose
>the nitrate and should leave the metal, with a bond to the pottery.
>Even using lab made, reagent grade should prove very inexpensive.
>Making ones own, under proper conditions of course, should make silver
>nitrate far less expensive, giving a purifier that's still within the
>reach of the poor.
>Reid
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RE: CS>cheap nasal irrigation bottles

[Rob Combis]

Thanks Shirley and to everyone who has helped!!!

-Original Message- 
From: Shirley Reed [mailto:pj20...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tue 10/21/2003 4:23 PM 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Cc: 
Subject: CS>cheap nasal irrigation bottles


   Walmart has some very cheap ones.  They are Equate brand, nasal 
spray--plain saline.  Upright delivers a spray;  horizontally a stream;  upside 
down a drop.  I think it was only $.87 so can't complain about the price.  They 
were up quite high and sorta hidden though, so you may have to look or even 
enquire.  pj


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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[David S Osborne]

.ref below, how bout an ol violet ray??
davido



Legend has it that a high voltage low amperage ZAP will neutralize the
venom.

Feel like having fun knocking hubby to his knees?


Try a 20k volt stunner on him?


Ode


At 05:09 PM 10/20/2003 EDT, you wrote: 



ArialCould anyone tell me how to
neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse spider bite?  My husband has
been bitten at least once, but has multiple erruptions that keep
occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have healed, one that is
pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore.  Thanks for any
advise.


Becky





arial

arial





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CS>cheap nasal irrigation bottles

[Shirley Reed]

   Walmart has some very cheap ones.  They are Equate brand, nasal spray--plain 
saline.  Upright delivers a spray;  horizontally a stream;  upside down a drop. 
 I think it was only $.87 so can't complain about the price.  They were up 
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Re: CS>Nasal ingestion

[Henry Holland Simms]

sol wrote:


Rob,

  I just got a bottle of saline nasal spray and emptied it out, rinsed 
it and refilled with CS.


paula

- Original Message -

* From:* Rob Combis 


Does anyone know where I can get some bottles for nasal ingestion
of CS?  I have been looking online but I have had no success. 
What does everyone else use???  Thanks



NETI POT,Frontier herb Co-op.

Holland



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Re: CS>Color of silver sols

[Marshall Dudley]

Then the calculation that the quardratic came up with of about .4 nm for 400 nm
was much closer than I thought!

Thanks for the additional data point for size vs wavelength for absorption.

Marshall

Frank Key wrote:

> Marshall wrote:
>
> > Yes, and no.  If it is clear it is either below 30 or above 144, but how
> much below or above is not easy to determine since the data does not go that
> far.
> >
> > I spent a little time with some curve fitting programs, but unfortunately
> every curve fit I
> > could find did not extrapolate at all.  If I get a chance I will see if I
> can determine the
> > approximate particles size for absorption at 300 nm, which is the lower
> limit of a
> > normal person's vision.
>
> Color vs. particle size does not hold true for low the concentrations of
> particles as found in most ionic CS. Many clear ionic products have
> particles that measure in the 30 to 144 nm range but are low enough in
> concentration that no color is discernable.
>
> The particles in Mesosilver measure  0.65 nm and it has peak absorption at
> 400 nm. The particles in Mesogold measure the same but the absorption peak
> is at 520 nm.
>
> frank key
>
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> > Arnold Beland wrote:
> >
> > > Thank you, Marshall, for publishing this very valuable data.  May we
> infer from this that the particle size of our home made sol, if it is clear,
> is less than 40nm ?  The fact that we have particles would be borne out by
> the presence of a strong beam of laser light from our laser pointer.
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Arnold Beland
> > > www.atlasnova.com
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > > To: 
> > > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:09 AM
> > > Subject: CS>Color of silver sols
> > >
> > > > The following information is from "Light-Scattering Submircorsopic
> particles as
> > > > Highly Fluorescent Analogs and Their Use as Tracer labels in Clinical
> and
> > > > Biuological Applications" by Juan Yguerabide and Evangelina E.
> Yguerabide, Depart
> > > > of biology, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla,
> California 92093.
> > > > Analytical Biochemnistry 262, pages 157-176 (1998)..  Articles number
> AB982760.
> > > >
> > > > Silver Sols (colloidal silver):
> > > >
> > > > DiameterTransmissionScattered LightAbsorb. wave max (nm)
> Scattered
> > > > wave max
> > > > 38   YellowBlue violet
> > > > 431465
> > > > 47   YellowBlue
> > > > 440472
> > > > 60   YellowLight Blue
> > > > 449474
> > > > 75Gold  Green Blue465
> > > > 90Pink   Yellow
> > > > 488572
> > > > 118  Pink   Yellow
> > > > 527575
> > > > 144  BrownPale Yellow
> > > > 575590
> > > >
> > > > This will be followed by 3 emails.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Silver spectral absortion for silver sols, unnormalized
> > > > 2. Silver spectral absorption for silver sols, smaller particles
> normalized.
> > > > 3. Gold spectral absorption for gold sols, normalized.
> > > >
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Re: CS>Nasal ingestion

[sol]

Rob,
  I just got a bottle of saline nasal spray and emptied it out, rinsed it and 
refilled with CS.
paula
  - Original Message - 
  From: Rob Combis 


  Does anyone know where I can get some bottles for nasal ingestion of CS?  I 
have been looking online but I have had no success.  What does everyone else 
use???  Thanks

Re: CS>Nasal ingestion

[d.linen]

Rob,

You can get a spray bottle of saline solution and dump the contents and
put cs in it.

DL


Rob Combis wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know where I can get some bottles for nasal ingestion of CS?  I 
> have been looking online but I have had no success.  What does everyone else 
> use???  Thanks


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Re: CS>Colloidal Gold >>>> most extensive claims and information website

[Frank Key]

What exactly are you calling "hype and claims"?

frank key



http://www.mesogold.com/mesogold.htm

They seem to have state of the art colloidal gold and lot of hype and
claims. Also just a lot of good solid info on colloidal gold. A lot of the
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RE: CS>Nasal ingestion

[Medwith, Robert]

I found some cheap nasal spray bottles at a Dollar store, I threw away the
nasal solution and 
Filled with CS. Trouble is I have not seen any more, yet.


  Bob

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Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 3:12 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Nasal ingestion


Does anyone know where I can get some bottles for nasal ingestion of CS?  I
have been looking online but I have had no success.  What does everyone else
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Re: CS>Color of silver sols

[Frank Key]

Marshall wrote:

> Yes, and no.  If it is clear it is either below 30 or above 144, but how
much below or above is not easy to determine since the data does not go that
far.
>
> I spent a little time with some curve fitting programs, but unfortunately
every curve fit I
> could find did not extrapolate at all.  If I get a chance I will see if I
can determine the
> approximate particles size for absorption at 300 nm, which is the lower
limit of a
> normal person's vision.

Color vs. particle size does not hold true for low the concentrations of
particles as found in most ionic CS. Many clear ionic products have
particles that measure in the 30 to 144 nm range but are low enough in
concentration that no color is discernable.

The particles in Mesosilver measure  0.65 nm and it has peak absorption at
400 nm. The particles in Mesogold measure the same but the absorption peak
is at 520 nm.

frank key


>
> Marshall
>
> Arnold Beland wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Marshall, for publishing this very valuable data.  May we
infer from this that the particle size of our home made sol, if it is clear,
is less than 40nm ?  The fact that we have particles would be borne out by
the presence of a strong beam of laser light from our laser pointer.
> > Best Regards,
> > Arnold Beland
> > www.atlasnova.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:09 AM
> > Subject: CS>Color of silver sols
> >
> > > The following information is from "Light-Scattering Submircorsopic
particles as
> > > Highly Fluorescent Analogs and Their Use as Tracer labels in Clinical
and
> > > Biuological Applications" by Juan Yguerabide and Evangelina E.
Yguerabide, Depart
> > > of biology, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla,
California 92093.
> > > Analytical Biochemnistry 262, pages 157-176 (1998)..  Articles number
AB982760.
> > >
> > > Silver Sols (colloidal silver):
> > >
> > > DiameterTransmissionScattered LightAbsorb. wave max (nm)
Scattered
> > > wave max
> > > 38   YellowBlue violet
> > > 431465
> > > 47   YellowBlue
> > > 440472
> > > 60   YellowLight Blue
> > > 449474
> > > 75Gold  Green Blue465
> > > 90Pink   Yellow
> > > 488572
> > > 118  Pink   Yellow
> > > 527575
> > > 144  BrownPale Yellow
> > > 575590
> > >
> > > This will be followed by 3 emails.
> > >
> > > 1. Silver spectral absortion for silver sols, unnormalized
> > > 2. Silver spectral absorption for silver sols, smaller particles
normalized.
> > > 3. Gold spectral absorption for gold sols, normalized.
> > >
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CS>Nasal ingestion

[Rob Combis]

Does anyone know where I can get some bottles for nasal ingestion of CS?  I 
have been looking online but I have had no success.  What does everyone else 
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CS>Appliance Makers Tout Germ-Fighting Metal

[silversurfer1952 .]

Time to buy silver futures???  Read this:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031021/lf_nm/life_antimicrobial_dc_2

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Re: CS>CS and Intestinal Bloat

[silversurfer1952 .]

Dear Helena,

Thanks for relating your experience.  I`m happy to know that this isn`t an 
unusual response and that for you the herx reaction was, at least, 
short-lived.  Today is my fourth day taking CS and I haven`t cut back my 
dose yet but I`m keeping that option open :-)


Hawaii...  Ahh... one of these days!

regards,
Elle




From: Helena Hsu

Aloha from Hawaii Elle,

Over five years ago, I came down with yeast infections because my MD was 
giving me lots of antibiotics for my flu which turned into bronchitis - 3 
months of treatment and I couldn't get any better, I kept getting relapses.


It was then that I started researching alt. medicine and came upon CS.

When I first started taking CS then, I did get bloated with lots of gas and 
all kinds of discomfort.  At that time I had leaky gut syndrome and other 
gut problems (because of surgery there - long story).  I'm sure I also had 
other bacterial infections elsewhere in my body.


My herx reaction was very bad... I had fever, chills, vomit and diarrhea 
for about 3 days   That was because I started with too high a dosage 
and I guess my liver couldn't detox fast enough.  After that episode I was 
fine and I have been taking 4 to 6 ozs of CS daily for maintenance.


Perhaps you should cut back to one tablespoon twice a day and see what 
happens.  Then gradually increase to whatever amount you feel comfortable 
with as a maintenance dosage.


What I'm trying to say is that the worse shape your body is in internally, 
the more discomfort you will feel.  Bear with it and in time, things will 
smooth out once your body gets rid of all the toxins released by the dead 
"germs".  CS is not a miracle cure.  It took a long time for your body to 
be in ill health.  It will take time and patience to heal it.  But it will 
happen...!!!


That's my 2-cents worth  

Take care Elle.

Warmest Regards,
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CS>Cool stuff, new appliances have material with silver ions to kill bacteria, etc...

[Rob Combis]

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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Dan Nave]

If a 5-9 volt wall wart will work, then a 9 volt battery will work.
Just hold the battery terminals on the skin with the bite between them.
The terminals should have about the right spacing.  I just wonder if 
you would have to do something to reduce the skin resistance a bit.

Dan


Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

 From: Duncan Crow (view other messages by this author) 
 Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 17:06:12 

Electricity will break toxins. Use something like a herpes zapper 
or a wall wart with about 1-5 mA current and about 5-9 volts. A 
Beck blood electrifier works very well if you have one, but a Clark 
zapper probably lacks the power needed.

Duncan Crow

> Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown
> recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but
> has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has
> a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just
> starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.
> 
> Becky





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Re: CS>Color of silver sols

[Marshall Dudley]

Looks like we cannot figure out where you would first start seeing yellow with 
that data.

If we use a 2nd order polynomial to fit the data using the least squares 
method, we get the following equation:

y = 0.0057223 x^2 + 0.31127x + 411.1764

But since we want to compute the particle size for a wavelength of 400 nm, the 
inverse would be best to work with which is:

x = -0.0032148 y^2 + 3.9011y -1045.6627

If we compute the size needed for the absoprtion peak to be a 400 nm, we get 
0.4093 or about half a nm.

To check how good a fit this is for extrapolating, I calculated the equation 
for a 3rd order fit, which should give a similar answer if extrapolation is 
accurate for this data. The 3rd order equation is:

6.8011e-5y^3 +-0.10079y^2 +50.433 - 8421.3534

If we compute the size for 400 nm, we get -21.8494 which of course is 
impossible.

Thus it appears that without a data point with a much smaller particles size, 
it is impossible to extrapolate to 400 nm with any accuracy.

Marshall

Arnold Beland wrote:

> Thank you, Marshall, for publishing this very valuable data.  May we infer 
> from this that the particle size of our home made sol, if it is clear, is 
> less than 40nm ?  The fact that we have particles would be borne out by the 
> presence of a strong beam of laser light from our laser pointer.
> Best Regards,
> Arnold Beland
> www.atlasnova.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:09 AM
> Subject: CS>Color of silver sols
>
> > The following information is from "Light-Scattering Submircorsopic 
> > particles as
> > Highly Fluorescent Analogs and Their Use as Tracer labels in Clinical and
> > Biuological Applications" by Juan Yguerabide and Evangelina E. Yguerabide, 
> > Depart
> > of biology, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, California 
> > 92093.
> > Analytical Biochemnistry 262, pages 157-176 (1998)..  Articles number 
> > AB982760.
> >
> > Silver Sols (colloidal silver):
> >
> > DiameterTransmissionScattered LightAbsorb. wave max (nm)
> > Scattered
> > wave max
> > 38   YellowBlue violet
> > 431465
> > 47   YellowBlue
> > 440472
> > 60   YellowLight Blue
> > 449474
> > 75Gold  Green Blue465
> > 90Pink   Yellow
> > 488572
> > 118  Pink   Yellow
> > 527575
> > 144  BrownPale Yellow
> > 575590
> >
> > This will be followed by 3 emails.
> >
> > 1. Silver spectral absortion for silver sols, unnormalized
> > 2. Silver spectral absorption for silver sols, smaller particles normalized.
> > 3. Gold spectral absorption for gold sols, normalized.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
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Re: CS>CS and Intestinal Bloat

[Helena Hsu]

Aloha from Hawaii Elle,

Over five years ago, I came down with yeast infections because my MD was 
giving me lots of antibiotics for my flu which turned into bronchitis - 3 
months of treatment and I couldn't get any better, I kept getting relapses.


It was then that I started researching alt. medicine and came upon CS.

When I first started taking CS then, I did get bloated with lots of gas and 
all kinds of discomfort.  At that time I had leaky gut syndrome and other 
gut problems (because of surgery there - long story).  I'm sure I also had 
other bacterial infections elsewhere in my body.


My herx reaction was very bad... I had fever, chills, vomit and diarrhea 
for about 3 days   That was because I started with too high a dosage 
and I guess my liver couldn't detox fast enough.  After that episode I was 
fine and I have been taking 4 to 6 ozs of CS daily for maintenance.


Perhaps you should cut back to one tablespoon twice a day and see what 
happens.  Then gradually increase to whatever amount you feel comfortable 
with as a maintenance dosage.


What I'm trying to say is that the worse shape your body is in internally, 
the more discomfort you will feel.  Bear with it and in time, things will 
smooth out once your body gets rid of all the toxins released by the dead 
"germs".  CS is not a miracle cure.  It took a long time for your body to 
be in ill health.  It will take time and patience to heal it.  But it will 
happen...!!!


That's my 2-cents worth  

Take care Elle.

Warmest Regards,
Helena


At 02:58 PM 10/20/2003, you wrote:

Hello List,

I'm new here, as you know.  The reason I wanted to try CS in the first 
place was to address what I believe to be a bacterial infection in my 
gut.  I have tried taking large amounts of various probiotics but it 
hasn't addressed the problem.  I once had a stool analysis which found 
staph aureus.  Also, I may or may not have candida.


I brewed my first batch of CS on Saturday and started taking about 2 Tbsp. 
twice a day (total of 1/4 cup).  I believe the brewed solution is approx. 
24 ppm.  I find that around two to three hours after ingestion I get gut 
aches and my lower abdomen bloats.


Although uncomfortable, it's not impossible to bear.  I'm wondering if 
this might be a sign that the CS is working to kill off pathogens.  Has 
anyone else had this side-effect from taking CS?


thanks in adavance.
Elle

Re: CS>bladder infection

[ronwilson]

checked my cooking drawer, large plastic one, forget it. A smaller glass one i 
have would work. Have had a scope inserted every three months in to bladder for 
many years about the same size. Pain med is used but only reaches inch or so. 
Problem is when it passes prostrate. Only need small insertion 1/4 inch or so. 
Would silver not inter bladder on its way out of body in any case.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 8:42 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>bladder infection


  Have you ever looked at the end of a turkey baster? I don't think I could get 
it in a urethra.  Seems a small bulb like they use for cleaning a baby's nose 
out would make more sense. 
  Marshall 

  ronwilson wrote: 

 insert in urethra and force fluid, bladder cancer treatment is using 
catheter and gravity to place treatment into bladder. 
  - Original Message -
  From: Marshall Dudley
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:15 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>bladder infection
   Charles Sutton wrote: 
Yes Rob - It's Gonorrhea.MikeWhat I would try is using a turkey baster, 
fill the bladder with CS, and hold it for 6 min.
  How the heck do you do that?  Can this be done by males, females, or 
both? 
  You can email me all list if you like. 

  Marshall 


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Re: CS>Color of silver sols

[Arnold Beland]

It being generally accepted that the particle size increases with time once the 
ionic saturation point is reached, the visibility of a laser beam in the sol 
before the sol itself exhibits a yellow hue should indicate particles of a size 
no greater than 30nm.

Best Regards,
Arnold Beland
www.atlasnova.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Marshall Dudley" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: CS>Color of silver sols


> Yes, and no.  If it is clear it is either below 30 or above 144, but how much 
> below or above is not easy to determine since the data does not go that far.
> 
> I spent a little time with some curve fitting programs, but unfortunately 
> every curve fit I could find did not extrapolate at all.  If I get a chance I 
> will see if I can determine the approximate particles size for absorption at 
> 300 nm, which is the lower limit of a normal person's vision.
> 
> Marshall
> 
> Arnold Beland wrote:
> 
> > Thank you, Marshall, for publishing this very valuable data.  May we infer 
> > from this that the particle size of our home made sol, if it is clear, is 
> > less than 40nm ?  The fact that we have particles would be borne out by the 
> > presence of a strong beam of laser light from our laser pointer.
> > Best Regards,
> > Arnold Beland
> > www.atlasnova.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:09 AM
> > Subject: CS>Color of silver sols
> >
> > > The following information is from "Light-Scattering Submircorsopic 
> > > particles as
> > > Highly Fluorescent Analogs and Their Use as Tracer labels in Clinical and
> > > Biuological Applications" by Juan Yguerabide and Evangelina E. 
> > > Yguerabide, Depart
> > > of biology, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, California 
> > > 92093.
> > > Analytical Biochemnistry 262, pages 157-176 (1998)..  Articles number 
> > > AB982760.
> > >
> > > Silver Sols (colloidal silver):
> > >
> > > DiameterTransmissionScattered LightAbsorb. wave max (nm)
> > > Scattered
> > > wave max
> > > 38   YellowBlue violet
> > > 431465
> > > 47   YellowBlue
> > > 440472
> > > 60   YellowLight Blue
> > > 449474
> > > 75Gold  Green Blue465
> > > 90Pink   Yellow
> > > 488572
> > > 118  Pink   Yellow
> > > 527575
> > > 144  BrownPale Yellow
> > > 575590
> > >
> > > This will be followed by 3 emails.
> > >
> > > 1. Silver spectral absortion for silver sols, unnormalized
> > > 2. Silver spectral absorption for silver sols, smaller particles 
> > > normalized.
> > > 3. Gold spectral absorption for gold sols, normalized.
> > >
> > > Marshall
> > >
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Re: CS> Intestinal Bloat & MRSA+

[silversurfer1952 .]

Thanks very much, Jonathan.  I`m glad to know that I`m not having some 
weird, unique  reaction.  In addition to the staph aureus in my intestines 
(analysis done by Great Smokies Lab), I tested MRSA+  before my last surgery 
(8 years ago)... as a result I was put into a private room at the hospital 
at no extra cost.  Guess there are some perks even to having nasties living 
on me  ;-)


Do you think CS might help to convert an MRSA+ person to negative?

Elle


From: "Jonathan B. Britten" 



Hi, Elle,

I an others have reported rather painful stomach aches in the early days of 
taking CS.  For me, this occured  the first five or so times I took CS, if 
memory serves me.   The pain was bad enough that I thought I might give up 
taking CS.


I assume now that some effect on bacteria in the stomach lining was the 
cause.   It could be helobacter pylori, though this is mere speculation.


I no longer have any trouble at all from ingesting even large quantities of 
CS.





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Re: CS>bladder infection

[Marshall Dudley]

Have you ever looked at the end of a turkey baster? I don't think I
could get it in a urethra.  Seems a small bulb like they use for
cleaning a baby's nose out would make more sense.

Marshall

ronwilson wrote:

>  insert in urethra and force fluid, bladder cancer treatment is using
> catheter and gravity to place treatment into bladder.
>
>  - Original Message -
>  From: Marshall Dudley
>  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:15 AM
>  Subject: Re: CS>bladder infection
>   Charles Sutton wrote:
>
> > Yes Rob - It's Gonorrhea.MikeWhat I would try is using a
> > turkey baster, fill the bladder with CS, and hold it for 6
> > min.
>
>  How the heck do you do that?  Can this be done by males,
>  females, or both?
>
>  You can email me all list if you like.
>
>  Marshall
>
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Re: CS> was: sick from cs/is: BAKING SODA in CS

[Nenah Sylver]

- Original Message - 
From: 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2003 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: CS> was: sick from cs/is: BAKING SODA in CS


> Hi Nena :)
>
> Hey There Doc ! Remember when I steared you to the site that showed the info
> about baking soda... We're talkin about adding a 1/2 teaspoon to a gallon of
> C.S., Mix it well, pour some in a beaker, and test with PH-paper... Should
> be around 7 / 8 p.h. at least... But hey, If you added so much you can taste
> it, then you must be using @ a teaspoon to a cupfull... Well, enjoy your
> antacid & prepair for a mighty burp :)
>
> Regards,
> Al

Hi Al.
Actually, I followed the directions for the recipe. I think that amount is way
too high. If I were to do it again (which I won't), I'd use about 1/8 of a
teaspoon. After lots of inquiries, thanks to our resident pharmacist Richard's
advice, I was finally able to order some food-grade (or better) Potassium
Hydroxide. As soon as I get it, I'll begin with a brand new recipe and let you
know how it turns out.

By the way, I never drink bicarbonate of soda. Most people have too little
hydrochloric acid in their stomach, rather than too much. A base or alkali burns
as much as an acid does; so when they burp and have that "acid" taste, they
erroneously think that their stomach is too "acid." Then they take bicarb of
soda as an antacid. But in doing so, they are actually diluting the precious
little hydrochloric acid they need! Better to take digestive enzymes.

Just thought you'd like to know  ;)

Nenah

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Re: CS>bladder infection

[ronwilson]

insert in urethra and force fluid, bladder cancer treatment is using catheter 
and gravity to place treatment into bladder.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:15 AM
  Subject: Re: CS>bladder infection


  Charles Sutton wrote: 
Yes Rob - It's Gonorrhea.MikeWhat I would try is using a turkey baster, 
fill the bladder with CS, and hold it for 6 min.
  How the heck do you do that?  Can this be done by males, females, or both? 
  You can email me all list if you like. 

  Marshall 


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CS>Colloidal Gold >>>> most extensive claims and information website

[fig227]

http://www.mesogold.com/mesogold.htm

They seem to have state of the art colloidal gold and lot of hype and claims. 
Also just a lot of good solid info on colloidal gold. A lot of the CG claims 
are mental, some are physical. 

Dan

Re: CS>Color of silver sols

[Marshall Dudley]

Sorry that was a mistype.  The lower limit of vision is 400 nm, not 300.

Marshall

Marshall Dudley wrote:

> Yes, and no.  If it is clear it is either below 30 or above 144, but how much 
> below or above is not easy to determine since the data does not go that far.
>
> I spent a little time with some curve fitting programs, but unfortunately 
> every curve fit I could find did not extrapolate at all.  If I get a chance I 
> will see if I can determine the approximate particles size for absorption at 
> 300 nm, which is the lower limit of a normal person's vision.
>
> Marshall
>
> Arnold Beland wrote:
>
> > Thank you, Marshall, for publishing this very valuable data.  May we infer 
> > from this that the particle size of our home made sol, if it is clear, is 
> > less than 40nm ?  The fact that we have particles would be borne out by the 
> > presence of a strong beam of laser light from our laser pointer.
> > Best Regards,
> > Arnold Beland
> > www.atlasnova.com
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> > To: 
> > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:09 AM
> > Subject: CS>Color of silver sols
> >
> > > The following information is from "Light-Scattering Submircorsopic 
> > > particles as
> > > Highly Fluorescent Analogs and Their Use as Tracer labels in Clinical and
> > > Biuological Applications" by Juan Yguerabide and Evangelina E. 
> > > Yguerabide, Depart
> > > of biology, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, California 
> > > 92093.
> > > Analytical Biochemnistry 262, pages 157-176 (1998)..  Articles number 
> > > AB982760.
> > >
> > > Silver Sols (colloidal silver):
> > >
> > > DiameterTransmissionScattered LightAbsorb. wave max (nm)
> > > Scattered
> > > wave max
> > > 38   YellowBlue violet
> > > 431465
> > > 47   YellowBlue
> > > 440472
> > > 60   YellowLight Blue
> > > 449474
> > > 75Gold  Green Blue465
> > > 90Pink   Yellow
> > > 488572
> > > 118  Pink   Yellow
> > > 527575
> > > 144  BrownPale Yellow
> > > 575590
> > >
> > > This will be followed by 3 emails.
> > >
> > > 1. Silver spectral absortion for silver sols, unnormalized
> > > 2. Silver spectral absorption for silver sols, smaller particles 
> > > normalized.
> > > 3. Gold spectral absorption for gold sols, normalized.
> > >
> > > Marshall
> > >
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Re: CS>Color of silver sols

[Marshall Dudley]

Yes, and no.  If it is clear it is either below 30 or above 144, but how much 
below or above is not easy to determine since the data does not go that far.

I spent a little time with some curve fitting programs, but unfortunately every 
curve fit I could find did not extrapolate at all.  If I get a chance I will 
see if I can determine the approximate particles size for absorption at 300 nm, 
which is the lower limit of a normal person's vision.

Marshall

Arnold Beland wrote:

> Thank you, Marshall, for publishing this very valuable data.  May we infer 
> from this that the particle size of our home made sol, if it is clear, is 
> less than 40nm ?  The fact that we have particles would be borne out by the 
> presence of a strong beam of laser light from our laser pointer.
> Best Regards,
> Arnold Beland
> www.atlasnova.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marshall Dudley" 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 7:09 AM
> Subject: CS>Color of silver sols
>
> > The following information is from "Light-Scattering Submircorsopic 
> > particles as
> > Highly Fluorescent Analogs and Their Use as Tracer labels in Clinical and
> > Biuological Applications" by Juan Yguerabide and Evangelina E. Yguerabide, 
> > Depart
> > of biology, University of California at San Diego, La Jolla, California 
> > 92093.
> > Analytical Biochemnistry 262, pages 157-176 (1998)..  Articles number 
> > AB982760.
> >
> > Silver Sols (colloidal silver):
> >
> > DiameterTransmissionScattered LightAbsorb. wave max (nm)
> > Scattered
> > wave max
> > 38   YellowBlue violet
> > 431465
> > 47   YellowBlue
> > 440472
> > 60   YellowLight Blue
> > 449474
> > 75Gold  Green Blue465
> > 90Pink   Yellow
> > 488572
> > 118  Pink   Yellow
> > 527575
> > 144  BrownPale Yellow
> > 575590
> >
> > This will be followed by 3 emails.
> >
> > 1. Silver spectral absortion for silver sols, unnormalized
> > 2. Silver spectral absorption for silver sols, smaller particles normalized.
> > 3. Gold spectral absorption for gold sols, normalized.
> >
> > Marshall
> >
> >
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Re: CS>Bladder infection

[Marshall Dudley]

tdg39 wrote:

> The Terminator  Zapper has cured my prostate problem

Now THAT I am interested in.  Can you point me to more information on this?

Thanks,

Marshall


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Re: CS>Re: About a extraordinary experiment

[David Bearrow]

I don't see how that experiment enabled you to draw that conclusion. The 
hypothesis you have proffered would need its own experiment to prove.


At 12:48 AM 10/21/03, you wrote:

Can one draw the connection here that the negative electrod should be a
large piece of silver sheet, lined against the inside of the glass...
Thereby distributing the pull of the positive charge against a very large
surface area, and making the particle size very much smaller ?

Regards,
Al


- Original Message -
From: "Peter Rebaudo" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 2:57 AM
Subject: CS>Re: About a extraordinary experiment


> Hi:
>
> Experiment #1, Posted before said:
>
> The positive  silver electrode is introduced into a  DW container,
> 300cc, the other is outside the glass container.
>
> DW measures 1.0 u Siemens Voltage = 34V supply: Sota constant current
> set a 1mA.
> After 2 days, 2.4uS After 5 days, 14.0 uS and a heaviest, by far,
> Tyndall I  have ever seen.
>  The final product have zero taste. The electrodes have no darkening or
> coating what so ever.
>  There was no sediments.
>  The container was glass 2" in diameter by 7.5" high
>  Electrodes 12 Ga, 5.5" sum merged.
>  The voltage stay constant at 34V, there was no measurable current.
>
> This experiment was performed on a glass container, with electrodes,
> that were previously used (4 times) to make CS.
>
> The enormous Tyndall was due , in - today's- my opinion to:
> The release of silver particles from the container walls.
> Since silver clusters seem to be formed from several silver molecules so
> arranged as to present a negative charge to the outside world, when a
> positive charged electrode is introduced in the water, the particles
> trapped in the wall get released.
> For the high conductivity exhibited in that experiment I have no guess
> at this time.
>
> Experiment #2
>
> Electrode: 6 feet long coiled on a 4 inches tight coil, wiped with clean
> paper towel and rinsed twice  with DW. Never used before.
>
> Container : Glass 4" diameter, 4" deep, never used before.
>
> PS: 58 V Wall wart. no second electrode anywhere.
>
> Staring conductivity = 1.0 uS
> 1 day  = 1.7 uS
> 3 days = 2.4
> 5 days = 3.3 uS
> 7 days = 3.8 uS
> The meter was cleaned in DW before measurements.
> Very slight Tyndall in a dark room was noticed.
> There was no sediments, taste or change in the electrodes.
>
> This is not a very impressive show but the change in conductivity ,
> still, must be explained without invoking  Faraday or any
> electromagnetic phenomenon, since a microamp meter was connected from
> the electrode to the glass and no current was  registered.
>
> This of course has no use as CS production goes, perhaps it can be used
> to clean container without solvents or touching them.
> Further investigations may help to answer some of the very perplexing
> questions found in the production of CS.
> Regards
>
> Peter R



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CS>a extraordinary experiment & homogenizing the E field

[Matthew McCann PE]

Hi, Al!

Homogenizing the electric
field may (or may not)
improve the size of the
silver particulates.
Only a well-designed
set of experiments
will tell.

Perhaps the field
homogenizer needs 
to be a silver surface
(non-toxic) inside the
vessel. Or perhaps not.
Maybe an aluminum
surface (toxic) outside
a dielectric glass
vessel will homogenize
the field almost as well.
It would certainly be a
lot less expensive.

Has anybody done
any experimentation
on whether this is
benefitial in 
making CS?

Matthew

RE: CS>Re: About a extraordinary experiment

[James Holmes]

Hello Al,

I don't understand Bearden's theories at all.

I am trying to learn. 

I have looked at the schematics of the MMG, and read some of the
descriptions of how the thing works, but my understanding is limited.

Do you only talk with Mensa members?

JOH

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Cc: carpae.d...@cox.net
Subject: Re: CS>Re: About a extraordinary experiment


Please list the one's for me that you understand first, and detail for me
why it is that you understand each of them to be valid... Then We can
proceed with the discussion, relative to your level of understanding JOH...
That is..., JOH, Besides the fact that they have been conceived of,
constructed, and are presently tangible & repeatable proofs of theory.

With Patience,
Al
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Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 11:50 PM
Subject: RE: CS>Re: About a extraordinary experiment


> Hello A.F.,
>
> Which of Bearden's experiments are you going to do?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> JOH
>
> -Original Message-
> From: colloidal.sil...@cox.net [mailto:colloidal.sil...@cox.net]
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 7:17 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Cc: carpae.d...@cox.net
> Subject: Re: CS>Re: About a extraordinary experiment
>
>
> Hi Mike :)
>
> Please go look up Dr. Thomas Bearden on the web. There may well be 
> some factors your overlooking with classic entropy-based theory. In 
> two days Iwill have duplicated this experiment pretty closely... I'll 
> post the results.
>
> Regards,
> A.F.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike Monett" <31dtzj...@sneakemail.com>
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2003 8:26 PM
> Subject: CS>Re: About a extraordinary experiment
>
>
> > url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m63365.html
> > CS>Re: About a extraordinary experiment
> > From: Peter Rebaudo
> > Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 18:59:26
> >
> >   > Hi:
> >
> >   > Get a hold of this tale !
> >
> >   > The positive  silver electrode is introduced into a  DW container,
> >   > 300cc, the other is outside the glass container.
> >
> >   > DW measures 1.0 u Siemens
> >   > Voltage= 34V
> >   > Supply: Sota constant current set a 1mA.
> >   > After 2 days, 2.4uS
> >   > After 5 days, 14.0 uS and a heaviest, by far, Tyndall I  have ever
> >   > seen.
> >   > The final product have zero taste.
> >   > The electrodes have no darkening or coating what so ever.
> >   > There was no sediments.
> >   > The container was glass 2" in diameter by 7.5" high
> >   > Electrodes 12 Ga, 5.5" summerged.
> >   > The voltage stay constant at 34V, there was no measurable 
> > current.
> >
> >   > I am looking forward to comments.
> >
> >   > Regards
> >
> >   > Peter R
> >
> >   Hi Peter,
> >
> >   You have requested comments, but have not responded to any.
> >
> >   You are  technically  literate.  You have  posted  accurate  data on
> >   led's. You  have downloaded Mercury - you posted a  link  to Roger's
> >   web page  where  people could download  Eureka,  the  predecessor of
> >   Mercury. Roger wrote both programs.
> >
> > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m61728.html
> >
> >   A quick  check in Mercury shows the current required to  liberate 14
> >   ppm of silver in 300 ml of dw in 5 days is 14.77 uA.
> >
> >   Here's the data:
> >
> >   days = 5
> >   hrs  = 24 * days
> >   ml   = 300 ; volume of dw
> >   mnt  = 0 ; minutes
> >   ppm  = 14
> >
> >   Here's the result:
> >
> >   Cou = 6.381685
> >   I   = 1.477241E-05
> >   sec = 432000.0
> >   gm  = 0.004200
> >   k   = 0.000658
> >   lt  = 0.30
> >   ml  = 300.
> >   mg  = 4.20
> >   phr = 0.11
> >   ppm = 14.0
> >   hrs = 120.
> >
> >   Most dvms can easily measure 14 uA. You state the current  was zero,
> >   as expected. You know how to measure currents this low. So there was
> >   no electrolysis. Even leakage currents would not suffice  to explain
> >   your data.  Glass is a very good insulator, and would not  support a
> >   current of 14 uA.
> >
> >   You know the conductivity of air is zero for all practical purposes.
> >   You also know placing the cathode outside the glass means no current
> >   can flow, and there can be no electrolysis.
> >
> >   With no  electrolysis, there can be no liberation of  silver  at the
> >   anode.
> >
> >   Silver is insoluble in water. If you doubt this, please see  a paper
> >   on Frank's  web  site  that discusses the  solubility  of  silver in
> >   distilled water.  The statement is the first sentence in  the second
> >   paragraph:
> >
> > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/Solubility_Products.PDF
> >
> >   Yet your  measurement  implies the equivalent of  4.2  milligrams of
> >   silver was released. This cannot be true. Silver is insoluble.
> >
> >   If it  were contamination, it would be released at the start  of the
> >   experiment. The  conductivity

Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[d.linen]

I saw a movie on tv a few weeks back where a guy was bitten by a
rattlesnake and the other guy took jumper cables from the back of the
car and hooked them to the battery and 'zapped' the first guy with them. 

Ode Coyote wrote:
> 
> Legend has it that a high voltage low amperage ZAP will neutralize the venom.
> Feel like having fun knocking hubby to his knees?
> 
> Try a 20k volt stunner on him?
> 
> Ode
> 
> At 05:09 PM 10/20/2003 EDT, you wrote:
> 
> 
>  Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse 
> spider bite? My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple 
> erruptions that keep occurring every few days. He has a couple that have 
> healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore. Thanks 
> for any advise.
> 
>  Becky
> 
> 
> 
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Re: CS>flu and CS

[Ode Coyote]

 Look carefully at the fine print on the label for MSP.
Mild Silver Protein isn't as good as the CS you can make yourself a LOT cheaper.

Ode

At 05:49 AM 10/20/2003 -0700, you wrote: 

Thanks, Bill, 
Notwithstanding my condition I think we'll mount the car and see if any chemist's that is open has CS for sale.
Faith





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Re: cs>brown recluse spider bite

[Ode Coyote]

 Legend has it that a high voltage low amperage ZAP will neutralize the venom.
Feel like having fun knocking hubby to his knees?

Try a 20k volt stunner on him?

Ode

At 05:09 PM 10/20/2003 EDT, you wrote: 

Could anyone tell me how to neutralize the toxins from a brown recluse spider bite?  My husband has been bitten at least once, but has multiple erruptions that keep occurring every few days.  He has a couple that have healed, one that is pretty bad, one that is just starting to get sore.  Thanks for any advise.

Becky









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Re: CS>CS and H202 - CS and stabilised oxygen?

[Ode Coyote]

..and if the particle size doesn't increase with the increase of PPM?

Ode

>
>That is odd. The tests I am aware of indicated that CS in the range of 3 to 5
>ppm was most effective, and that once you get to 10 or above the
effectiveness
>drops off rather significantly as the ppm and particle size increases.
>
>Marshall
>
>
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>
>

RE: CS>Bladder infection

[Smith, Michael]

Thanks Charles I'm looking into this.
 
I've also decided to order a turkey baster.
 
thanks for all your help.
 
Mike

-Original Message-
From: Charles Sutton [mailto:cds...@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:46 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Bladder infection


My direct mail gets rejected, so have to answer to the list.   Mike; do a
google search for d-mannose. 10 to 50 times stronger than Cranberry.  Here
is the way it is supposed to work:
Much in the same way cranberry works, ClearTract(brand of d-mannose)
interferes with the ability for bacteria to cling to the urinary tract
lining, this is sometimes called the "anti-adherence effect" ClearTract is
the most potent "anti-adherence" compound for the urinary tract known and
accomplishes more than cranberry has ever been able to achieve. use
http://www.froogle.google.com   to search for
a good price.



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