Re: CS>Apology for Spam Blocker
I am using MacAfee Spamkiller and I am completely satisfied with it. I don't think you could find a better one for the price. However, when you first install it, you have to spend time "tuning" the filters so they will do what you want. After a while, it will eliminate all but the occasional spam. You also have to set your mail program NOT to automatically check your mail, only when you tell it to. Always run the spam checker just before receiving your mail. I noticed that the vast majority of spam has the word "mail" in the domain name, so I set it to eliminate those - and this alone catches probably 90% of the spam that comes through. The only problem is that an occasional valid email also can have "mail" in the domain name, so I have lost a few legit emails. However, you can override this by adding specific users as "friends" and their mail will be received even if they have something in the message headers that would normally cause them to be blocked. You can also add your entire address book as "friends" so that none of them will be blocked. Finally, you can scan the "blocked" email to see if any of it is legitimate and "rescue" any that you want to keep. As for this and other lists I am on, you just add the list as a "friend" and you will receive all mail from the list (including any spam directed at the list - but I am working on that). You have to be willing to interact with the program, but if you do, it will eventually do exactly what you want. Of course, this all takes a certain amount of time. The quick way to eliminate spam is to change your email address, and then be very careful about spreading the new one around. This is a lot of trouble too, since you then have to notify everybody of the change. So there is no easy way. Del - Original Message - From: "Jannette Abel" To: Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:38 PM Subject: CS>Apology for Spam Blocker > Clear DayHi all, > In my efforts to reduce the 100-200 spam emails per day I installed a spam > blocking program, which itself CREATES spam! I thought that I had found a > program that WORKED. My previous efforts had resulted in programs that > deleted SilverList and other subscription email, and kept all the junk mail! > I installed and used this program for less than an hour. In customizing > the program, it offered to notify my addressbook and I declined, however, it > appears to have sent out emails anyway! (thank you JJ). > Needless to say, please ignore any emails regarding verification of email > addressthe program has been purged from my computer. My sincere > apologies for unwittingly adding to the daily spam. Can anyone recommend a > program that really works? > Jannette > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
CS>DMSO/MSM and Plants
Morning Stuff, >> I don't doubt it and it is great stuff. There's a lotta "garbage sorting" to do, an' so little time. You have to find the time. I think both DMSO and MSN relates to sulfur based compounds and proteins. These are important to plants as well as humans. I do experimental growing using modified hydro methods, computer controlled feeding systems, and data logging. If some of you would set up some guidelines for a plant experiment, I would consider doing the experiment. It should be plants that produce something good to eat, as I am not interested in flowers and decorative type plants. I have access to research people, research facilities, and chemists, that take up where my knowledge and ability ends. Wayne -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Fasting with CS
Rob, My parents had a copy of Folk Medicine when I was growing up. It was my very early introduction to the world of alternative and natural medicine. I was fascinated when I read it at the age of 12 and never forgot that there was this other system of healing wisdom. We also had Adele Davis'book on nutrition. Both truly wonderful influences on a baby boomer kid. The fasting article is good too. Thanks so much! Garnet On Sat, 2003-11-08 at 11:55, Rob Combis wrote: > Garnet- > I am reading this book called 'Folk Medicine' by DC Jarvis. It has to do > with natural healthcare. The individual who wrote the book was a doctor. He > grew up on the farms in Vermont and he used to study animals and watch what > they did when they got sick. He said he noticed that when a certain animal > was sick with a fever or something, it would find a comfortably place to rest > near a water supply and just rest and drink water until it was better. I > really don't know how he studied this, but I think the power of a juice fast > is remarkable. A water fast takes more dedication because your body will > probably be very hungry. Below is a cut and paste from the herbal remedies > yahoo group about a juice fast. It has a pretty good explanation on what it > does. I found it interesting and I hope you do too. I know it is a little > off topic, but I feel it is well woth while... > Rob > > This cleansing program purifies the body so it can heal more easily. If you > are > overweight, this program will take you down to your normal weight; if you are > underweight, it will bring you up to normal. The entire purpose of the > program > is to eliminate mucus from the body, which will simplify healing. > -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Injectable Silver
Hi JOH, When you visit with the compounding pharmacist, explain your desire and he'll either agree to help or explain your State Law that prohibits it unless written or ordered by a Doctor--in which case, get in touch with your doctor and request the order. The pharmacist will probably have a vent under which he can make injectable products. If the one you choose won't help, shake the dust off your garment and find one with knowledge and a heart. At first, I would try the formulations previously discussed regarding CS, H2O2, MSM and DMSO either through topical application, oral intake and nebulizing--could easily forego the IV dosing. If I can help in any way, please let me know. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Injectable Silver Hello Richard, Thank you for all of the helpful and interesting contributions. Could you please briefly describe this process: "[ independent compounding pharmacies] could use your CS and purify it, put in injectable container" Thank you, JOH -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CS>Injectable Silver Hi Jack & Lisa, Many independent compounding pharmacies (yellow pages) have a portion of their manufacturing area panelled off so they can make injectable prescriptions. If they would cooperate with you, they could use your CS and purify it, put in injectable container for you or for your DR. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Injectable Silver Lisa MacDonald 11/7/03 4:48 PM Wrote: > Or would the process > of making it this way at home still be unsafe due to possible > contaminants during the process? *** See? You knew the answer all the time. But, yes that is the reason. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Advise about Ionic Silver
Hi Simon, It is my sincere belief that: Any CS is GOOD if properly made using ONLY--1) pure silver (.999 or .); 2) pure steam distilled water (I use only Walgreen's which is Sodium-Free, Ozonated, Micro-filtered at $0.99 per gal--on sale you buy 2 & get 1 free); 3) LVDC (either 3 or 4 9-v batteries or a wall-wart) I use a Radio Shack AC adapter--catalog # 273-1668 (which is 13.5/30 v and 1000mA); 4) Run for the proper time on 30 v depending on container size. I also use an aquarium bubbler for stirring; my home is Air conditioned with a UV light and air-filter; has NO smokers nor pets to contaminate the air and comes out crystal clear with a pencil-lead size TE beam. To each Qt of this, I add 3cc H2O2 3% (which increases the killing effectiveness tremendously) however, should the H2O2 taste be unpleasant, leave it out and it's still very effective. As far as the ionic and particle %, it only matters if you're wanting to really explore manufacturing details--ALL good CS is GOOD! If I can be of help, please let me know. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Simon Heywood [mailto:simon1...@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 11:04 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>Advise about Ionic Silver Thanks Richard for your comments and experience regarding the use of CS on hair, if I manage to get to your age I to would settle for grey healthy hair. Having recently read a lot of information and misinformation regarding CS on the web relating to the Ionic quality's of certain brands of CS, can I then assume that the best quality CS that can be home produced must therefore achieve a high or low Ionic ratting.! -- Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Click here -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>MSM, H20,CS, and DMSO preparation
Hi there All,I missed this. Would Someone please repeat ? Thanks much. LC -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Injectable Silver
Thank You Richard, My question is more about the technical procedure for changing self-made CS into an approved injectable medication. You wrote: " If they would cooperate with you, they could use your CS and purify it, put in injectable container for you or for your DR." How do they do that? JOH -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 11:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CS>Injectable Silver Hi JOH, When you visit with the compounding pharmacist, explain your desire and he'll either agree to help or explain your State Law that prohibits it unless written or ordered by a Doctor--in which case, get in touch with your doctor and request the order. The pharmacist will probably have a vent under which he can make injectable products. If the one you choose won't help, shake the dust off your garment and find one with knowledge and a heart. At first, I would try the formulations previously discussed regarding CS, H2O2, MSM and DMSO either through topical application, oral intake and nebulizing--could easily forego the IV dosing. If I can help in any way, please let me know. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Injectable Silver Hello Richard, Thank you for all of the helpful and interesting contributions. Could you please briefly describe this process: "[ independent compounding pharmacies] could use your CS and purify it, put in injectable container" Thank you, JOH -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CS>Injectable Silver Hi Jack & Lisa, Many independent compounding pharmacies (yellow pages) have a portion of their manufacturing area panelled off so they can make injectable prescriptions. If they would cooperate with you, they could use your CS and purify it, put in injectable container for you or for your DR. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Injectable Silver Lisa MacDonald 11/7/03 4:48 PM Wrote: > Or would the process > of making it this way at home still be unsafe due to possible > contaminants during the process? *** See? You knew the answer all the time. But, yes that is the reason. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>measurements using salt test(s)
Hello, Members of the List. A salt test for noble metal colloids traces back to Michael Faraday noticing in 1857 that his gold dispersions would be coagulated by additions of traces of salts. (Faraday, Phil. Trans. Roy. Soc. London, 197, 145, 1857) In 1903, Freundlich described how to apply this precipitation by salts to measure the amount of dispersed noble metal in a hydrosol. (Freundlich; Z. Physik. Chem., 44, 129, 1903) Freundlich's method was succinctly re-stated by Arthur Thomas in 1934. (Colloid Chemistry, McGraw-Hill, p. 179) Thomas wrote: "To a series of carefully cleaned test tubes containing 5cc portions of the hydrosol are added 5cc portions of different concentrations of the electrolytes (i.e. aqueous solutions of the salt.) The electrolyte solution is poured quickly into the hydrosol, the mixture quickly poured back into the empty test tube, and then back into the first test tube in order to effect as complete and rapid mixing as possible. The tubes may then be allowed to stand for two hours. Then they are examined for precipitation. The mean of the concentrations at which precipitation is just complete, as shown by a clear supernatant solution, and the next lowest concentration (where precipitation is not complete) is taken as the precipitation concentration. This concentration is called the "liminal value" (i.e. theshold value.) Naturally all must be done under the same conditions." Freundlich experimented with platinum hydrosols precipitated by sodium chloride and potassium chloride, as well as a number of other substances. Well, it seems to me the necessary equipment is not expensive or hard to find. A test tube rack for 6 tubes can cost $2.50. A 10ml graduated cylinder made of borosilicate glass can cost $2.50. A set of eight borosilicate glass test tubes can cost $2.40. Sodium chloride costs next to nothing. If potassium chloride(KCl) is desired for the sake of a comparison or a control, it can be bought at any supermarket as "sodium- free salt substitute," however it has other additives that will augment the precipitation of the silver. Has anybody had any experience with this measurement technique of Freundlich? Thanks for you input and comments! Matthew
RE: CS>measurements using salt test(s)
Hello Matthew, Do you have the text of Freundlich's writing regarding this work? If so, could I possibly obtain a copy from you? Does the technique give a method for quantifying, even approximately, the concentration of the sol using the method? Thank you in advance, JOH Message- From: Matthew McCann PE [mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 2:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>measurements using salt test(s) Hello, Members of the List. A salt test for noble metal colloids traces back to Michael Faraday noticing in 1857 that his gold dispersions would be coagulated by additions of traces of salts. (Faraday, Phil. Trans. Roy. Soc. London, 197, 145, 1857) In 1903, Freundlich described how to apply this precipitation by salts to measure the amount of dispersed noble metal in a hydrosol. (Freundlich; Z. Physik. Chem., 44, 129, 1903) Freundlich's method was succinctly re-stated by Arthur Thomas in 1934. (Colloid Chemistry, McGraw-Hill, p. 179) Thomas wrote: "To a series of carefully cleaned test tubes containing 5cc portions of the hydrosol are added 5cc portions of different concentrations of the electrolytes (i.e. aqueous solutions of the salt.) The electrolyte solution is poured quickly into the hydrosol, the mixture quickly poured back into the empty test tube, and then back into the first test tube in order to effect as complete and rapid mixing as possible. The tubes may then be allowed to stand for two hours. Then they are examined for precipitation. The mean of the concentrations at which precipitation is just complete, as shown by a clear supernatant solution, and the next lowest concentration (where precipitation is not complete) is taken as the precipitation concentration. This concentration is called the "liminal value" (i.e. theshold value.) Naturally all must be done under the same conditions." Freundlich experimented with platinum hydrosols precipitated by sodium chloride and potassium chloride, as well as a number of other substances. Well, it seems to me the necessary equipment is not expensive or hard to find. A test tube rack for 6 tubes can cost $2.50. A 10ml graduated cylinder made of borosilicate glass can cost $2.50. A set of eight borosilicate glass test tubes can cost $2.40. Sodium chloride costs next to nothing. If potassium chloride(KCl) is desired for the sake of a comparison or a control, it can be bought at any supermarket as "sodium- free salt substitute," however it has other additives that will augment the precipitation of the silver. Has anybody had any experience with this measurement technique of Freundlich? Thanks for you input and comments! Matthew
RE: CS>Injectable Silver
James, I'll have to admit that I never had the opportunity or lab equipment to make injectables, but when you discuss it with your present compounding pharmacist, you can find out and help educate me--I'd like that. I believe he'd take your bottle of CS, close it with rubber cap, and sterilize it away from air (so he could insert needle to remove contents & transfer into finished bottle). Again, since you can use our CS directly into infected eyes, ears and mouth harmlessly, it's not far from being considered sterile--for MY use--NOT for anyone else. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:14 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Injectable Silver Thank You Richard, My question is more about the technical procedure for changing self-made CS into an approved injectable medication. You wrote: " If they would cooperate with you, they could use your CS and purify it, put in injectable container for you or for your DR." How do they do that? JOH -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 11:43 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CS>Injectable Silver Hi JOH, When you visit with the compounding pharmacist, explain your desire and he'll either agree to help or explain your State Law that prohibits it unless written or ordered by a Doctor--in which case, get in touch with your doctor and request the order. The pharmacist will probably have a vent under which he can make injectable products. If the one you choose won't help, shake the dust off your garment and find one with knowledge and a heart. At first, I would try the formulations previously discussed regarding CS, H2O2, MSM and DMSO either through topical application, oral intake and nebulizing--could easily forego the IV dosing. If I can help in any way, please let me know. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: James Holmes [mailto:ami...@starband.net] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 8:50 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CS>Injectable Silver Hello Richard, Thank you for all of the helpful and interesting contributions. Could you please briefly describe this process: "[ independent compounding pharmacies] could use your CS and purify it, put in injectable container" Thank you, JOH -Original Message- From: Richard Harris [mailto:yr...@cfl.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 5:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Cc: Richard Harris Subject: RE: CS>Injectable Silver Hi Jack & Lisa, Many independent compounding pharmacies (yellow pages) have a portion of their manufacturing area panelled off so they can make injectable prescriptions. If they would cooperate with you, they could use your CS and purify it, put in injectable container for you or for your DR. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 9:07 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Injectable Silver Lisa MacDonald 11/7/03 4:48 PM Wrote: > Or would the process > of making it this way at home still be unsafe due to possible > contaminants during the process? *** See? You knew the answer all the time. But, yes that is the reason. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>measurements using salt test(s)
Hi Matthew, Very interesting text and experiments. Take me back a number of years (60) to Chemistry & Pharmacy courses. I have conducted a few tests since then, but would be quiet and observe as you shared. Thanks, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Matthew McCann PE [mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 4:18 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>measurements using salt test(s) Hello, Members of the List. A salt test for noble metal colloids traces back to Michael Faraday noticing in 1857 that his gold dispersions would be coagulated by additions of traces of salts. (Faraday, Phil. Trans. Roy. Soc. London, 197, 145, 1857) In 1903, Freundlich described how to apply this precipitation by salts to measure the amount of dispersed noble metal in a hydrosol. (Freundlich; Z. Physik. Chem., 44, 129, 1903) Freundlich's method was succinctly re-stated by Arthur Thomas in 1934. (Colloid Chemistry, McGraw-Hill, p. 179) Thomas wrote: "To a series of carefully cleaned test tubes containing 5cc portions of the hydrosol are added 5cc portions of different concentrations of the electrolytes (i.e. aqueous solutions of the salt.) The electrolyte solution is poured quickly into the hydrosol, the mixture quickly poured back into the empty test tube, and then back into the first test tube in order to effect as complete and rapid mixing as possible. The tubes may then be allowed to stand for two hours. Then they are examined for precipitation. The mean of the concentrations at which precipitation is just complete, as shown by a clear supernatant solution, and the next lowest concentration (where precipitation is not complete) is taken as the precipitation concentration. This concentration is called the "liminal value" (i.e. theshold value.) Naturally all must be done under the same conditions." Freundlich experimented with platinum hydrosols precipitated by sodium chloride and potassium chloride, as well as a number of other substances. Well, it seems to me the necessary equipment is not expensive or hard to find. A test tube rack for 6 tubes can cost $2.50. A 10ml graduated cylinder made of borosilicate glass can cost $2.50. A set of eight borosilicate glass test tubes can cost $2.40. Sodium chloride costs next to nothing. If potassium chloride(KCl) is desired for the sake of a comparison or a control, it can be bought at any supermarket as "sodium- free salt substitute," however it has other additives that will augment the precipitation of the silver. Has anybody had any experience with this measurement technique of Freundlich? Thanks for you input and comments! Matthew
Re: CS>Advise about Ionic Silver
Richard Harris 11/9/03 11:02 AM Wrote: >(I use only Walgreen's which is Sodium-Free, >Ozonated, Micro-filtered *** Hi Richard, past discussions about distilled water quality revealed that DW from one retailer, in one region might differ from that same brand in a different geographical area -- transportation cost. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>MSM, H20,CS, and DMSO preparation
Hi Linda, I looked back & was unable to find what you are requesting; however, if you'll elaborate on what info you are seeking, I believe I can supply it. In your subject, I believe you dropped a 2 from H2O2 I'll await your reply, Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Linda Kaye Coombs [mailto:coom...@ev1.net] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 3:46 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>MSM, H20,CS, and DMSO preparation Hi there All,I missed this. Would Someone please repeat ? Thanks much. LC -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Fasting with CS
Garnet 11/9/03 9:20 AM Wrote: > We also had > Adele Davis'book on nutrition. *** Adele was my nutrition guru for many years. Because of her, to the best of my knowledge, she caused the creation of the group of nutrients known as B Multiple or B Group because she had shown that they worked in harmony (synergistically ?) . I know of at least 3 books by her. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
RE: CS>Advise about Ionic Silver
Yep, Jack, I've read about several people's complaints with unsuitable distilled water--That is why I stick to this one supplier as long as it's available: Walgreen's Steam-Distilled Water, Sodium-Free, Ozonated, Micro-filtered. To add to the confusion, Walgreen's suppliers also bottle Drinking Water (NOT steam-distilled, but Sodium-Free). The labels are identical except for the description. I have a friend who has a steam distiller for whom I make CS who offered to loan me his Still and keep it at my home. I declined, since my standards include using ONLY the Walgreen's as long as it keeps it's standards.$1/gallon for the water doesn't seem that great when you recognize the same consistent quality CS I make. Best regards, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Jack Dayton [mailto:jack...@harbornet.com] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:31 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CS>Advise about Ionic Silver Richard Harris 11/9/03 11:02 AM Wrote: >(I use only Walgreen's which is Sodium-Free, >Ozonated, Micro-filtered *** Hi Richard, past discussions about distilled water quality revealed that DW from one retailer, in one region might differ from that same brand in a different geographical area -- transportation cost. Jack Be Nice -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>measurements using salt test(s)
Hi Richard, Thanks for your response! I think the technique of chemistry and pharmacy of 60 years ago may turn out to be more germane than current techniques. After all, CS may remain a populist, grassroots appropriate- technology for a long time to come. For the same reason, I prefer off-the-shelf materials people can buy in food stores, or over-the-counter in pharmacies. The salt substitute made by Morton Salt Company is labelled as potassium chloride (at 610mg per 1/4tsp = 1.2g) with additives of fumaric acid, tricalcium phosphate, and monocalcium phosphate (no amounts listed.) A purer source of KCl would be preferable. Is KCl readily available over-the-counter in drugstores? It may be good to use other salts with chloride anions too. Cations of valence +1 would be easier to use than higher valences, because more mass is needed to precipitate a given amount of silver. So, the weighing would be easier. Can you recommend any other chloride salts with +1 valence cations? Thanks for your advice! Best regards. Matthew
CS>measurements using salt test(s)
Hi James! All I have is Arthur Thomas' short account of Freundlich's method, and a bibliography of Freundlich's other articles on collosol precipitation by electrolytes. Here are the citations. Freundlich: Z. Physik. Chem., 44,129 (1903). Freundlich und Schucht: Z. Physik. Chem., 85, 641 (1913) Freundlich und Scholz: Kolloidchem. Beihefte, 16, 267 (1922) Freundlich: Z. Physik. Chem.,73, 385 (1910) Freundlich und Lindau: Kolloid-Z., 44, 198 (1928) Freundlich und Slottman: Z. Physik. Chem., 129, 305 (1927) Arthur W. Thomas has an entire chapter of about twenty-five pages devoted to the precipitation of sols by electrolytes. But he is fairly sketchy about the calculations. If you think it will be of any use, send me your address and I will send you a copy. My first glance at this material makes me think a lot of experimentation and thoughtful analysis will be needed to reconstruct the method in detail. Best regards, Matthew
RE: CS>measurements using salt test(s)
Hello Matthew, That is very helpful. I have filed the cites that you presented. My location is: James-Osbourne:Holmes-Junior c/o general delivery Rowe The state of New Mexico Please write the location exactly as above; I do not live in the State of New Mexico or "NM"; that is a Federal military district, and a different entity than "The state of New Mexico" Capitalization is deliberate. Please send me the amount of costs to you to do this, and I will pay you for your expenses. Thank you very much, Jim -Original Message- From: Matthew McCann PE [mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu] Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 7:20 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS>measurements using salt test(s) Hi James! All I have is Arthur Thomas' short account of Freundlich's method, and a bibliography of Freundlich's other articles on collosol precipitation by electrolytes. Here are the citations. Freundlich: Z. Physik. Chem., 44,129 (1903). Freundlich und Schucht: Z. Physik. Chem., 85, 641 (1913) Freundlich und Scholz: Kolloidchem. Beihefte, 16, 267 (1922) Freundlich: Z. Physik. Chem.,73, 385 (1910) Freundlich und Lindau: Kolloid-Z., 44, 198 (1928) Freundlich und Slottman: Z. Physik. Chem., 129, 305 (1927) Arthur W. Thomas has an entire chapter of about twenty-five pages devoted to the precipitation of sols by electrolytes. But he is fairly sketchy about the calculations. If you think it will be of any use, send me your address and I will send you a copy. My first glance at this material makes me think a lot of experimentation and thoughtful analysis will be needed to reconstruct the method in detail. Best regards, Matthew
Re: CS>measurements using salt test(s)
You can get pure KCI at any hardware store that sells water softener salt. It comes as KCI or regular table salt. At 07:37 PM 11/9/03, you wrote: Hi Richard, Thanks for your response! I think the technique of chemistry and pharmacy of 60 years ago may turn out to be more germane than current techniques. After all, CS may remain a populist, grassroots appropriate- technology for a long time to come. For the same reason, I prefer off-the-shelf materials people can buy in food stores, or over-the-counter in pharmacies. The salt substitute made by Morton Salt Company is labelled as potassium chloride (at 610mg per 1/4tsp = 1.2g) with additives of fumaric acid, tricalcium phosphate, and monocalcium phosphate (no amounts listed.) A purer source of KCl would be preferable. Is KCl readily available over-the-counter in drugstores? It may be good to use other salts with chloride anions too. Cations of valence +1 would be easier to use than higher valences, because more mass is needed to precipitate a given amount of silver. So, the weighing would be easier. Can you recommend any other chloride salts with +1 valence cations? Thanks for your advice! Best regards. Matthew -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>RE: DMSO & Bone Fracture
Thanks, Richard, for your response. I've perused my newly acquired copy of "DMSO Nature's Healer" by Dr Morton Walker, and so far it sounds as though DMSO gives off a VERY bad odour once consumed/injected/applied. Have you found this to be the case? I'm wondering if it's really as bad as it sounds in the book, and if so, how long does the odour last? Also, my mother, who is an energetic 83 year-old, has recently learned that she has osteoporosis, and is experiencing a lot of pain due to a fractured vertebra. Any thoughts on using DMSO in a case like this? Would one use it straight (diluted with distilled water) or perhaps mixed with some other beneficial ingredient? All thoughts, comments welcome. thanks one and all, Elle From: "Richard Harris" I misplaced an article on MSM & DMSO. but it'll turn up someplace. It stated that: DMSO has the property of immediately penetrating skin and taking anything mixed in with it; MSM is in every body cell and goes by the chemical desigination of DMSO2; it stated that in the body as it is being used, one turns into the other and vice versa--Interesting thought! I take MSM daily along with Vit C, E, Lecithin and Seasilver. If needed, I apply DMSO to any clean area to penetrate & relieve pain (which I seldon have, even at age 80). I have experimented by adding Aspirin & other pain relievers to DMSO & applying on the painful area--with almost Instant Relief. I commend you for experimenting with DMSO & Castor Oil--It might not dissolve in a clear solution, but I'm reasonable assured that by rubbing the greasy mixture on the CLEAN area you'll get penetration and I await your report to us as to the effectiveness of treatment and "What" you were using it for. _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>New member--IV silver, lyme, candida
Go look up a guy named "Trem" on this sites messages... He runs www.Silvergen.com . I suggest you get an SG-7 model, which makes 5 gallons of 20+ ppm C.S. crystal clear. Drink 1/2 gallon a day for the next half a year minimum. Also go imeadiaitly to the pet store and get yourself a fishtank ozonation kit. Use it to Ozonate, at least two glasses of chilled-distilled-water per day. This will neutralize your Herxzimers syndrom. About your candida... That is probably the fact that all those previous antibiotics and drugs you used for the Lyme-Dis. litterally killed off most / all of your immune system. C.S. does not kill off your immune system. It acts as an additional one. Also about the herxzimers, obtain a large industrial tank of oxigen, and a tank valve, a long peice of hose for it, and a mask. (make sure you have some ventilation in the room) Now set you self up with the oxigen, and a execise cycle, gently riding the cycle for around 1/2 hour while breathing the oxigen. This is a very powefull way to assist your body in eliminating herxzimer, provides you with greatly increased energy for the day, and the oxigen is toxic to the bad pathogens in your body too. Don't waste your money buying medical grade oxigen, it's the same damn thing as the industrial grade, and it's absolutly not any purer. If you ask them where they sell the medical grade oxigen, the will most certainly lie to you about this fact... Well it's you pocket my my friend... Finally, switch over from drinking or cooking with any form of water, to only pure-100%-distilled water. I'll provide a few other tips, if you e-mail me directly... - Original Message - From: mamapug To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:37 AM Subject: Re: CS>New member--IV silver, lyme, candida Hello Hi, Kell, and welcome. I`m a former Lymie myself!! This is my first post to this group. I am battling chronic lyme disease after only minor success with antibiotics for one year. I took Doxy for 6 years!!! Barely kept me alive, and made me put on 45 pounds. They never tell us about the weight gain! :o( In the past few months I have seen some improvement using CS administered IV. The silver is 23 ppm and I am taking about 60-80 cc twice a week. Try taking it by mouth, works fine. Last Thurs, I took the silver and late that night thought I was having a worse than normal herx. By later the next day, I had developled a mild sore throat with some whitness on the tongue and some ulcerations around my tonsils and some smaller ulercations on my throat. Along with these visible symptoms, I was completely drained. Despite taking Diflucan, garlic, oregano oil, candex for the past 5 days I am still suffering from this. I NEVER had this kind of reaction with antibiotics CS kills candida, doesn`t cause it. If you take it orally, and let it sit in the mouth for 4 minutes, it will kill off the candida. Don`t forget to get Vitamin C, a good B complex, and minerals to help the body heal. Don`t use anything with caffeine, not even chocolate. I have read some of the archives and there seem to be conflicting reports whether silver causes or helps fight candida. In my case, it seemed to have caused it. Since I am a newbie, I would appreciate any advice. Am I taking too much ? Is there more risk for candida taken IV ? Anyway, this has been a discouraging episode because I can tell that silver is potentially a big gun in fighting lyme and I hate to stop. Thank you. I`m in the "doesn`t cause it" camp, obviously, but I never took CS by IV, there is no need. Please tell me, what CS are you taking? Did you make it yourself? Do you take vitamins and minerals, and if so, how much of each? Hang in there, friend, CS will work, I`m proof that it does. Do you want me to email you my story? Or better yet, can I call you? I`d prefer to chat, and I have 1 cent a minute long distance! If so, email me privately with your number. I`m glad to help!!! Love, Marshalee (in Provo, Utah) Kell Wilson
Re: CS>Electroporation and toxicity
Yes there are some tricks to doing this better... Rather than just ozonating distilled chilled water, go buy a very large tank of industrial oxigen right away, have her sit on a comfortable stationery execise cycle for @ an hour, while breathing moderate oxigen through the mask. There is a lot more here, but I would rather you just call me at : (401) 272-9178 Regards, Alexander J. Federowicz - Original Message - From: "Jonathan B. Britten" To: Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 2:58 AM Subject: CS>Electroporation and toxicity > List, > > My friend's wife continues to take conventional chemotherapy for > stomach cancer (metastatic) with no change in the prognosis thus far. > (She will not live past March, say the MDs of a leading private > hospital. ) > > My friend has ordered a SOTA Silver Pulser to do the Beck Protocol, > but worries about the electroporation risks.I could advise only > that he proceed slowly; I think it would be good to wait until the > chemo is finished, but of course with the grim prognosis he is loathe > to wait. > > I wonder if any members with actual clinical experience in this matter > could offer advice, either on list of privately. > > Thanks in advance. > > > JBB > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Maintenance Dose
1/8 - 1/4 gallon per day most in the early am on enpty stomach. Been doing it for over 1-year now... No flu's no colds, no illness what-so-ever has even touched me since starting this. Also a severe toe nail fungus has receeded slowly to about 1/8 of it's former infection area. The fungus goes slowly, becaus it's inside the nail... Regards, Alexander J. Federowicz - Original Message - From: "Jack Dayton" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 6:56 PM Subject: Re: CS>Maintenance Dose > Garnet 11/7/03 10:33 AM Wrote: > > > Just curious, what is everyone's daily maintenance dose, for those who > > use it preventatively, and what ppm? > *** > > When I'm in "maintenance mode" it's > 2oz of 5ppm first thing in the AM > on an empty stomach -- hopefully > no contact with stomach acid which > would change the CS. > > Jack > > Be Nice > > > > > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > >
Re: CS>Maintenance Dose
1/8 - 1/4 gallon per day, @ 20-35 p.p.m., most in the early am on enpty stomach. Been doing it for over 1-year now... No flu's no colds, no illness what-so-ever has even touched me since starting this. I live in a large building where the flus in the city regularly circulate though all of our building population. Every one else gets these flu's exept me. & those who are intelligent enough to drink the stuff when I offer it to them. Also my severe toe nail fungus has receeded slowly to about 1/8 of it's former infection area. The fungus goes slowly, becaus it's inside the nail... but it's almost history, and i didn't have to destroy my liver with "lamacil" to do it ! No, while I still will turn beat-red if out in the sun too long, I damn well have not truned grey even slightly. Small particle size ionic silver & water passes 100% out of the body over a relatively short time period... Regards, Alexander J. Federowicz - Original Message - From: "Garnet" To: Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: CS>Maintenance Dose > Just curious, what is everyone's daily maintenance dose, for those who > use it preventatively, and what ppm? > > Thanks, > > Garnet > > On Fri, 2003-11-07 at 09:44, Richard Harris wrote: > > I agree with Marshalee, > > > > I feel it a wonderful idea to take CS Continually (meaning every day). In > > these Stressful times, Most of us put anything that's doesn't DEMAND our > > attention to the side and forget it until we need it. Until someone really > > impresses me with an argument that taking CS daily, I shall continue urging > > my loved ones and others who will "HEAR" to keep their guard up and put the > > CS on the table so we won't forget it. > > > > Sincerely, > > Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist > > > > -Original Message- > > From: silversurfer1952 . [mailto:silversurfer1...@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2003 11:59 PM > > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Subject: CS>CS and the Immune System > > > > > > Hi, > > > > At the risk of raising some people's ire, isn't it a good idea to let our > > bodies get the occasional cold? Doesn't that help strenghthen the immune > > system? Are we trying to *replace* the immune system by taking CS all the > > time, or what? I'm not attacking anyone or any point of view. I'm just > > questioning. If, for example, Marshalee got a cold shortly after stopping > > her CS, that tells me that CS doesn't boost the immune system, but rather > > works very much like an anti-biotic/anti-viral. Not that that's a bad > > thing, I don't know. It just seems to me that unless there are very clear > > reasons for taking CS all the time, are we not doing our immune systems a > > disservice by not challenging it with the odd cold or flu? > > > > thanks for any thoughts on the topic. > > Elle > > > > > > >From: "mamapug" > > > > >You know, if you take one swallow of CS a day as a preventive, you won`t > > >have to fight off a cold or infection!! > > >It is much easier to prevent them than to fight them off, as I`m attesting > > >to right now. Got lazy, didn`t take my CS, and had a nasty cold last week, > > >along with torn chest muscles from all the coughing! > > >Doh! > > >Marshalee > > > > _ > > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin > > .msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca > > > > > > -- > > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > & > >
CS>
I'm researching "four nine" silver suppliers. Please help me with sources you can recommend. Many thanks!
RE: CS>Injectable Silver
In some cases people want a LOT of CS in the blood in amounts what would far surpass DMSO ability. An IV 'drip' slows the rate of entry and dilutes the water so as not to distrupt the saline balance so much...which is probably what harms the red blood cells. [like putting a salt water fish in fresh water] A drip is not quite like an injection. Suddenly making the blood TOO salty in a localized area would probably harm the red blood cells too. In my book, using a nebulizer should be almost as good as a drip, though it could take quite a while to inhale 8 or 10 oz and some would probably be exhaled too. Dripping that much probably takes over an hour? Ode At 08:56 PM 11/8/2003 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Ode, > >You've made a good point--we get sticks & injections of many types almost >daily; however, NOT IV--that's directly into the blood steam. Personally, I >believe good, properly made CS would be OK for sub-cutaneous injections, >with short needles; however, I don't recommend this to anyone else--besides, >CS sublingually goes directly into the blood stream, and when applied with a >wet dressing, penetrates & relieves sinus headaches, etc., so WHY inject? > >By improving the formula with MSM & DMSO, you can get CS into the blood >stream without needles. > >Best regards, >Richjard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist > > >-Original Message- >From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] >Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 7:36 AM >To: silver-list@eskimo.com >Subject: Re: CS>Injectable Silver > > > I don't see why home made CS that consists of only distilled water and >silver would not be injectable in exactly the same manner and with the same >precautions as injecting distilled water. > There may be some risk of shock from distilled water injected in one big >dose, which is why an IV 'drip' is used in all cases mentioned. > >CS by it's very nature should sterilize the water. > > Shucks. People survive much nastier injections many times daily... for >years on end... using tap water to dissolve powders of highly questionable >content and purity in. > > Incidently, All distilled water sold in the USA has been sterilized with >ozone. > >Ode > >At 08:48 PM 11/7/2003 -0400, you wrote: >>I understand that homemade CS is not safe to be used IV (and I have no >plans >>of using silver for IV) but I am still very curious about it. I tried to >>read more about it but the info is over my head. I'm just wondering if CS >>could be made with Sterile Injectable Water (that doctors and vets use) >>instead of distilled water and be safe to use for IV? Or would the process >>of making it this way at home still be unsafe due to possible contaminants >>during the process? >> >>Lisa >> >>_ >>Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* >>http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.ms >n.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca >> >> >>-- >>The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. >> >>Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org >> >>To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >> >>Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html >> >>List maintainer: Mike Devour >> >> > > >
