Re: CSOT...Kind of, [caveat emptor]
Nice wake up call. It was long overdue. stuff At 03:55 PM 3/11/2004 -0500, you wrote: Dear list. Don't want to get in a piss'n match about this but when I read a name mentioned on the list a while back it rang a bell. Yesterday I remembered where and posted the chap that I thought had mentioned to me his experience. He replied the following.. Actually his name is Vinny Pinto, of RawPaleoDiet NegativeHydrogenIon lately EffectiveMicroorganisms 'fame'. A charming and knowledgable bullshit--ripoff merchant of the highest calibre. Anyone buying his Magic Jug kit will feel like suing after paying several hundred bucks for the supposedly rare and expensive and dangerous magic ingredient - namely a few small bits of magnesium metal sawn off an ingot (worth maybe 20 cents or so at most), together with some helper substance (small bottle of Malic acid, available cheaply from any drug store). And it doesn't work - ORP's in excess of -600 mv are claimed, but using much more of the magic ingredient than supplied by his meagre kit, and using ideal conditions, maximum ORP reading was around -20 mv (instrument properly calibrated), a pathetic result. ... Just one mans experience, and my experience of this man could be wrong but I've always found him to be level headed, knowledgeable and a person of integrity So I pass this along with no motive other than Caveat Emptor to all the fine folks on OUR silver list. larry tankersley; Gainesville,Florida USA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSterilizing milk with CS !
While I drink no milk, I've known a large number of pasteurized milk drinkers and none of them complained of or have shown symptoms of either bug. If you're worried check this out: http://www.csprosystems.com/BYU_Bacteria_Testing.html At 12:17 AM 3/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: Hulda Clark claims milk is contaminated with Salmonella Shigella.That pasterizing it doesn't kill them.She recomends bringing it to a boil to kill them off. I was wondering if putting a little CS in it would kill them off ? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT:To Linux users
I had to format again and lost a lot of mail, If someone posted to me and I didn't get back to you, I'm sorry Yours Hank - Original Message - From: Garnet To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:00 PM Subject: Re: CSOT:To Linux users Try using root or guess, without the quotes, lower case for the user name and the pw or just the user name and no pw. Email me privately and tell me what happens. Garnet
Re: CSSterilizing milk with CS !
from a post in the cs archives, dated 15 dec 2001... on 30 nov. , i opened a quart of milk, with a spoil date of dec 5, and dosed it with a blub of CS. i had some of the milk with cereal on dec 12, and it was still fresh. it turned yesterday. not bad, eh? - Original Message - From: twll To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 9:17 PM Subject: CSSterilizing milk with CS ! Hulda Clark claims milk is contaminated with Salmonella Shigella.That pasterizing it doesn't kill them.She recomends bringing it to a boil to kill them off. I was wondering if putting a little CS in it would kill them off ?
Re: CSMicrons, angstroms etc.
1 nanometer = 0.001 micron 1 micron = 10, 000 angstroms 1 angstrom = 0.1 nanometer 1 angstrom = 0.0001 micron Blah blah blah. Google has this cool fuction where you type in 'x' microns to angstroms and it tells you what is what. Fact is, most generator makers [and CS sellers] don't know what size the particles are and will just make something up or copy someone else. Some have the wrong test made. I don't believe SEM or TEM [electron microscopes] results are entirely accurate due to the way they work. Some will intentionally confuse the issue between ions and particles, where if they're not making any particles, they'll use the size of an ion and claim that's it..or even ignore whatever particles they do make and still use the size of an ion or two. If they say anything about an ion cloud or TE they're making particles. Even ions have several ways to look at what size they are. It's only been recently that I knew what size 'I' made..assuming they were the smallest possible because the CS is clear and free of color. Well, they're not the smallest possible. [Pretty good though...] ..and the spread can vary some and still be within the range that has no color a factor which may have several irrelevancies included such as degrees of oxidation and so on. Frank makes very small particles and his CS is brown, I believe? [He won't say how he makes that CS...big secret. And he doesn't sell generators. ] Malvern Particle Sizer results from Frank Keys Collidal Sciences Laboratory: 87% Ionic [single atom minus an electron at 0.000252 microns] http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Ag/radii.html 14.3% Particle portion: 54% @ 55.65nm or .0565 microns 45%@ 132.9 nm or .1329 microns Super high HVAC process probably does a better job, but can also make a dangerous product [silver nitrate] if not closley watched and run just right. There's also some controversy on what size is best. Some people say that a range of various sizes [that are small enough to pass through membranes and cell walls] are best because microbes come in different sizes. Heck, sounds good to me. To my way of thinking, If it's too big to get in, it doesn't need to get out. [passes right on through] ALL CS contains ions and small particles. Even if some are very large, many are very small...so, that bad CS will work too. How well determines how much. Since there are no dosing standards that make any sense at all, enough is enough. Since CS at the concentrations commonly sold and made [3 to 20 PPM] is less toxic [silver wise] than the water it's in, too much is nearly impossible. [Some degree of caution as to dose and duration is advisable if it's extremely strong] I think color is still a good rule of thumb. Clear is best. [Virtually any generator can make clear CS up to 5 PPM.] Yellow is Hummm..not bad [pale yellow] to OK [deep yellow] Any other color...red, violet, green...toss it or use it topically Mud...black, brown and cloudy cloudy...including 'other colors' will work. [but if it's really really thick..be a bit careful with dose and duration] Using a timer to determine strength cannot work because water varies a lot and therefore, time, will vary by several minutes or even hours to get to the same point. Just a few degrees difference in water temperature changes time considerably. Using a PPM or other conductivity meter like a PWT is a help, but it's still measuring apples to get oranges and changing an element in the process can throw corrolations between virtually unrelated things, off quite a bit. For example: [from http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr19/cpr_19.html] Earthborn Products claiming 100 PPM [Obviously using a meter to get that figure] Conductivity: 164 uS/cmTotal Silver Concentration: 0.52 ppm +/- 0.05 ppm Percent Ionic: 100 [This might also be an example of how a high voltage setup can go wrong...but I don't know what process Earthborn used. Why so much conductivity and so little silver when all of it is ionic? ] A generator that uses current controls and a reference voltage drop to reach a shut down point are the most accurate. There's still some inherent variation in particle count and accuracy is still not 100%, but at least they always run the same way, batch to batch. Ode At 07:36 PM 3/11/2004 -0600, you wrote: Hi, Can anyone explain the difference between the size of the colloidal silver particles? One company will advertise one way and another company will advertise another way. Apparently the smaller the silver particles, the more beneficial? If this is the case, can anyone say with authority which company sells a generator that produces the smallest particles of colloidal silver? Thank you, Jean Baugh -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive:
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I just replied to a personal email with the question, how did you make CG and I thought I would pass it on to the list. Maybe someone could refine this process and take it to the OT list. Reply: Let me just say I know very little about electricity. I followed the cleaning instructions on the back of a 15+ year old Sears electronic air purifier and pulled out the collection cell. The tab on one side of the collection cell butts up against the AC DC converter. There is an insulator between the converter and the contact point. The converter is bolted to the metal chasis. I followed the two wires, one black, one white attached to one end of the converter. The white one led directly to the plug wire. The black one led to a wire harness that runs to the off, high, low switch with six pins. Four of the six wires plugged to the switch are black with one red and one white. The red and white wires went to the circulating fan motor. I marked their position and disconnected them. I next used a red wire and a black wire with aligator clipped ends. The red wire I clipped to the insulated contact point on the converter. The black wire I clipped to a bolt that holds the converter to the metal chasis. With the collection cell out and the fan disconnected I pushed the chasis back into the wooden box. This unit has a plunger type safety switch. Here we go! I hooked the red and black aligator clipped wires to my one quart CS maker, stood back and plugged it in. Nothing blew so I went and got my laser light. Only minutes went by and I shone the laser through the solution; a very strong beam. I unpluged the machine and tasted; it was strong, clear CS. Drank most of it and put 6 oz. aside for future reference; looks the same two years later. I now know the machine works so I took a small gold panda and a fine gold ingot, probably 1/10 oz. and clipped them to the aligators. I taped the aligator wires to spring clipped clothes pins and rigged it over the one qt. jar. I filled the jar with DW up to the ingot and round spaced about 1 apart and adjusted for eveness. I finished by adding more DW with a new turkey baster being carefull not to touch the aligator clips and turned it on. Now, you must know that 1/8 or 1/10 oz. of gold with an aligator clip on it doesn't leave much gold in the solution. I had to add more DW about every other day to make up for normal water evaportation. This operation took about 5 weeks to turn lavender but I knew it was working as I could see tyndal after X number of days. I've since bought 1/4 oz. rounds and plan to make it again seeding with my old solution. I'm sure wire would work better as there would be more wetted area but wire is out of my price range and I have time. I'll use a pint jar the next time. I forget which wire busted the gold up but it did leave one piece tarnished. I suppose you could use silver or even stainless as one of the probes as long as you know which one is breaking up the gold. Out of the qt. solution I have 8 oz. left so I must have consumed about 24 oz., 1 oz. a day and noticed no change in my mood. My mood was good to begin with; I just succeeded in making CG after 5 weeks. I tried the microwave machine and although the microwave worked before I took it apart I couldn't make CS and when I put the microwave back together it was broke. Good luck and despite what anyone says on the CS list, I know you can make CG with 6400 VDC @ 0.20 MA, it just takes time. I just looked at my other air purifier and it is 5500 VDC @ 0.30 MA dated 1989. Michael - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster.
Re: CSMicrons, angstroms etc.
You will likely find that the size of the particles is more dependent on the quality of the water than the generator design. There are some differences as to the size and spacing of the electrodes, and if the water is stirred or not. Basically the cooler the water, the lower the current, the purer the water and the wider the electrodes, the smaller the particles for a low voltage DC system. Marshall oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: Hi, Can anyone explain the difference between the size of the colloidal silver particles? One company will advertise one way and another company will advertise another way. Apparently the smaller the silver particles, the more beneficial? If this is the case, can anyone say with authority which company sells a generator that produces the smallest particles of colloidal silver? Thank you, Jean Baugh
RE: CSSterilizing milk with CS !
Hi Stuff, Thanks for the helpful info you bring to many troubling questions and problems. I, too have left off milk from my diet since I know of no source of raw milk which Dr. Mercola suggests; however, I am confident that addition of an ounce of CS per qt; allow to mix sit for 30 minutes, will kill any undesirable varmits in it. I have and have offered a 3 page list of valuable CS Uses that I'd be happy to share on their private e-mail with any who ask--I hesitate to send the list to the entire Site, since I believe it has been published within the past year. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 6:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSterilizing milk with CS ! While I drink no milk, I've known a large number of pasteurized milk drinkers and none of them complained of or have shown symptoms of either bug. If you're worried check this out: http://www.csprosystems.com/BYU_Bacteria_Testing.html At 12:17 AM 3/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: Hulda Clark claims milk is contaminated with Salmonella Shigella.That pasterizing it doesn't kill them.She recomends bringing it to a boil to kill them off. I was wondering if putting a little CS in it would kill them off ? - -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Excerpts from Alternatives newsletter Volume 10, No. 9, March 2004 put out by Dr. David G. Williams. The Find of a Century...or Two When things finally do come together, however, the results can overshadow years of frustration. That's exactly what happened recently. After years of constant digging, I'm about to share with you what may be one of the most powerful healing therapies I have uncovered during the 18 years I've been writing Alternatives. I don't want to sound grandiose, but I feel this therapy may be one of the greatest discoveries in the history of medicine. Like most of the treatments or cures I cover in Alternatives, the basis of my understanding and appreciation start-ed forming years ago. Almost 22 years ago, I first heard about a device called a wet cell appliance. It was first described by the healing psychic Edgar Cayce. Basically, it con-sists of a homemade chemical battery that report-edly can be used to treat Parkinson's and other neu-rological diseases. Electrodes from the battery are placed at specific sites on the body, and a very weak current (25 to 35 millivolts) passes through the body. Before entering the body the current passes through a jar that contains gold, silver, or camphor salt solutions, which are supposed to impart the vibratory frequencies of these substances into the nervous system, immune system, or both. Some individuals have reported improve-ments after using wet cells, but the results have been very inconsistent. I've utilized wet cells in the past with very little success. Not surprisingly, there has been little credible research on wet cell therapy. The one study I'm aware of showed it produced only minimal results. (Subtle Energies Energy Medicine 02;11(2):151-166) Knowing there are very few successful treat-ments for neurological problems such as Parkinson's, I continued to search for a therapy that could possibly build on the very limited suc-cess of the wet cell. About ten years ago, I heard about the work of a Dr. Reuven Sandyk. Dr. Sandyk had begun to publish work involving the use of low-level electromagnetic treatment for Parkinson's. I spent time studying Dr. Sandyk's research and found it fascinating, to say the least. It differed from the wet cell therapy in that it uti-lized pulsed rather than continuous current, and instead of direct electrical current, it was electro-magnetic, which is to say it generated electrical fields in the body. Dr. Sandyk had shown that by using electromagnetic therapy to treat Parkinson's patients, he could reduce the amount of medication they required and improve their gait, ability to speak, and sense of smell. (Int J Neurosci 93;69(1-4):167-83) I immediately contacted Dr. Sandyk to discuss his work, and he seemed surprised I was interest-ed, hut he was very open and helpful. I then spoke with him on several subsequent occasions. For some reason, that access came to an abrupt halt, and he referred me to his attorney, refusing to dis-cuss his work with me any further. I never learned why. I suspect he realized that I was looking for a way the therapy could be used immediately to help suffering Alternatives readers, and he was afraid any publicity might put him in jeopardy with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or other regulatory authorities. I'm still not sure what happened, but it was a big disappointment. After all, it certainly appeared to be a very simple, effective therapy. Very weak magnetic fields were being applied to the head, which created electrical fields in the brain. There was, and still is, a great deal of debate about how this could be effective. There is little question, however, that it is safe and can achieve astound-ing results. Big Bucks for Temporary Results Dr. Sandyk has continued to research and pub-lish, and I have continued to follow his work. To date, he has published more than 500 peer--reviewed studies, with more than 90 of those detailing the successful use of electromagnetic field therapy in patients with not only Parkinson's, but also multiple sclerosis, epilepsy, schizophre-nia, cluster and migraine headaches, and Tourette's syndrome. I've recently learned that Dr. Sandyk is now treating patients using the electro-magnetic device he developed. It appears that as long as he doesn't manufacture his device or sell it to other practitioners, and he's not harming any-one, he can legally continue to treat patients and do research. He works in the New York area, reportedly charging $750 for the first session and $350 per session thereafter. According to those I spoke with, he treats patients from two to five days a week, and if a patient wants to maintain any pos-itive results, the treatment must, continue for life. Obviously, it has turned out to be a very expensive form of treatment. Dr. Sandyk's research, and that of other inves-tigators in Europe and China, continues to demonstrate that electromagnetic therapy is safe and effective for a wide range of neurological and
Re: CSSterilizing milk with CS !
I should definitely kill the salmonella, don't know anything about the shigella, but figure it would kill it as well. Marshall twll wrote: Hulda Clark claims milk is contaminated with Salmonella Shigella.That pasterizing it doesn't kill them.She recomendsbringing it to a boil to kill them off.I was wondering if putting a little CS in it would kill them off ?
RE: CS
Thanks Michael, For sharing your experiment with us. Patience, they say, is a virture--most of us pray for it, but ask that it come NOW! I have been interested in perhaps making my CG, but (having reached age, 81, survived WW II as a US Marine Infantryman--with 2 Purple Hearts; married to the same beautiful lady for 57 years; worked 12 hour days as a FL Pharmacist for 12 hrs/day); due to my lack of electrical knowledge, I am NOT interested in the possibility of electrocuting myself by using High Voltage. I appreciate your experience and continue to learn daily; being a seeker on this Site peopled with So Many Knowledgeable, Unselfish, Talented Individuals from many backgrounds who continually share with us seekers. Sincerely, Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist -Original Message- From: J (H) [mailto:j0t0j...@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 8:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CS I just replied to a personal email with the question, how did you make CG and I thought I would pass it on to the list. Maybe someone could refine this process and take it to the OT list. Reply: Let me just say I know very little about electricity. I followed the cleaning instructions on the back of a 15+ year old Sears electronic air purifier and pulled out the collection cell. The tab on one side of the collection cell butts up against the AC DC converter. There is an insulator between the converter and the contact point. The converter is bolted to the metal chasis. I followed the two wires, one black, one white attached to one end of the converter. The white one led directly to the plug wire. The black one led to a wire harness that runs to the off, high, low switch with six pins. Four of the six wires plugged to the switch are black with one red and one white. The red and white wires went to the circulating fan motor. I marked their position and disconnected them. I next used a red wire and a black wire with aligator clipped ends. The red wire I clipped to the insulated contact point on the converter. The black wire I clipped to a bolt that holds the converter to the metal chasis. With the collection cell out and the fan disconnected I pushed the chasis back into the wooden box. This unit has a plunger type safety switch. Here we go! I hooked the red and black aligator clipped wires to my one quart CS maker, stood back and plugged it in. Nothing blew so I went and got my laser light. Only minutes went by and I shone the laser through the solution; a very strong beam. I unpluged the machine and tasted; it was strong, clear CS. Drank most of it and put 6 oz. aside for future reference; looks the same two years later. I now know the machine works so I took a small gold panda and a fine gold ingot, probably 1/10 oz. and clipped them to the aligators. I taped the aligator wires to spring clipped clothes pins and rigged it over the one qt. jar. I filled the jar with DW up to the ingot and round spaced about 1 apart and adjusted for eveness. I finished by adding more DW with a new turkey baster being carefull not to touch the aligator clips and turned it on. Now, you must know that 1/8 or 1/10 oz. of gold with an aligator clip on it doesn't leave much gold in the solution. I had to add more DW about every other day to make up for normal water evaportation. This operation took about 5 weeks to turn lavender but I knew it was working as I could see tyndal after X number of days. I've since bought 1/4 oz. rounds and plan to make it again seeding with my old solution. I'm sure wire would work better as there would be more wetted area but wire is out of my price range and I have time. I'll use a pint jar the next time. I forget which wire busted the gold up but it did leave one piece tarnished. I suppose you could use silver or even stainless as one of the probes as long as you know which one is breaking up the gold. Out of the qt. solution I have 8 oz. left so I must have consumed about 24 oz., 1 oz. a day and noticed no change in my mood. My mood was good to begin with; I just succeeded in making CG after 5 weeks. I tried the microwave machine and although the microwave worked before I took it apart I couldn't make CS and when I put the microwave back together it was broke. Good luck and despite what anyone says on the CS list, I know you can make CG with 6400 VDC @ 0.20 MA, it just takes time. I just looked at my other air purifier and it is 5500 VDC @ 0.30 MA dated 1989. Michael -- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for faster.
CSMicrons, angstroms etc.
Hello, Marshall, Thank you very much for epitomizing the issues surrounding the generating Ag ions and particles in one trenchant summary. Bravo! Best regards, Matthew
RE: CSMicrons, angstroms etc.
A note to the CS student. This post by the Coyote is jam-packed with good practical information. While every single little thing may not be exactly correct (I am not suggesting error, only pointing out that new info always changes current belief...)this post is something you should save for future reference. There is more relevant info on CS here than in many lengthy technical writings by others. Take heed. JOH -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMicrons, angstroms etc. 1 nanometer = 0.001 micron 1 micron = 10, 000 angstroms 1 angstrom = 0.1 nanometer 1 angstrom = 0.0001 micron Blah blah blah. Google has this cool fuction where you type in 'x' microns to angstroms and it tells you what is what. Fact is, most generator makers [and CS sellers] don't know what size the particles are and will just make something up or copy someone else. Some have the wrong test made. I don't believe SEM or TEM [electron microscopes] results are entirely accurate due to the way they work. Some will intentionally confuse the issue between ions and particles, where if they're not making any particles, they'll use the size of an ion and claim that's it..or even ignore whatever particles they do make and still use the size of an ion or two. If they say anything about an ion cloud or TE they're making particles. Even ions have several ways to look at what size they are. It's only been recently that I knew what size 'I' made..assuming they were the smallest possible because the CS is clear and free of color. Well, they're not the smallest possible. [Pretty good though...] ..and the spread can vary some and still be within the range that has no color a factor which may have several irrelevancies included such as degrees of oxidation and so on. Frank makes very small particles and his CS is brown, I believe? [He won't say how he makes that CS...big secret. And he doesn't sell generators. ] Malvern Particle Sizer results from Frank Keys Collidal Sciences Laboratory: 87% Ionic [single atom minus an electron at 0.000252 microns] http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Ag/radii.html 14.3% Particle portion: 54% @ 55.65nm or .0565 microns 45%@ 132.9 nm or .1329 microns Super high HVAC process probably does a better job, but can also make a dangerous product [silver nitrate] if not closley watched and run just right. There's also some controversy on what size is best. Some people say that a range of various sizes [that are small enough to pass through membranes and cell walls] are best because microbes come in different sizes. Heck, sounds good to me. To my way of thinking, If it's too big to get in, it doesn't need to get out. [passes right on through] ALL CS contains ions and small particles. Even if some are very large, many are very small...so, that bad CS will work too. How well determines how much. Since there are no dosing standards that make any sense at all, enough is enough. Since CS at the concentrations commonly sold and made [3 to 20 PPM] is less toxic [silver wise] than the water it's in, too much is nearly impossible. [Some degree of caution as to dose and duration is advisable if it's extremely strong] I think color is still a good rule of thumb. Clear is best. [Virtually any generator can make clear CS up to 5 PPM.] Yellow is Hummm..not bad [pale yellow] to OK [deep yellow] Any other color...red, violet, green...toss it or use it topically Mud...black, brown and cloudy cloudy...including 'other colors' will work. [but if it's really really thick..be a bit careful with dose and duration] Using a timer to determine strength cannot work because water varies a lot and therefore, time, will vary by several minutes or even hours to get to the same point. Just a few degrees difference in water temperature changes time considerably. Using a PPM or other conductivity meter like a PWT is a help, but it's still measuring apples to get oranges and changing an element in the process can throw corrolations between virtually unrelated things, off quite a bit. For example: [from http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr19/cpr_19.html] Earthborn Products claiming 100 PPM [Obviously using a meter to get that figure] Conductivity: 164 uS/cm Total Silver Concentration: 0.52 ppm +/- 0.05 ppm Percent Ionic: 100 [This might also be an example of how a high voltage setup can go wrong...but I don't know what process Earthborn used. Why so much conductivity and so little silver when all of it is ionic? ] A generator that uses current controls and a reference voltage drop to reach a shut down point are the most accurate. There's still some inherent variation in particle count and accuracy is still not 100%, but at least they always run the same way, batch to batch. Ode At 07:36 PM 3/11/2004 -0600, you wrote: Hi, Can anyone explain the difference between the size of the
RE: CSSterilizing milk with CS !
It will kill the pathogenic microorganisms, and will kill the lactobacillus that are about the only benefit I know of from drinking milk. How about some nice bovine insulin that is structurally the same as human? A little bovine growth hormone with you Hagen Daze? I haven't given up heavy cream in my Earl Grey, and a bit of St. Andre with crackers is still one of my indulgences, but I don't swill milk and ice cream as I did in the first half of my life. M. JOH -Original Message- From: Stuff [mailto:st...@laguna.com.mx] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 4:17 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSSterilizing milk with CS ! While I drink no milk, I've known a large number of pasteurized milk drinkers and none of them complained of or have shown symptoms of either bug. If you're worried check this out: http://www.csprosystems.com/BYU_Bacteria_Testing.html At 12:17 AM 3/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: Hulda Clark claims milk is contaminated with Salmonella Shigella.That pasterizing it doesn't kill them.She recomends bringing it to a boil to kill them off. I was wondering if putting a little CS in it would kill them off ? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSfood allergies
I hope it is ok to continue this thread so I'm answering onlist. Let's see, 19 and a half years ago we went on vacation and I ate shrimp and seafood daily: I had eaten and loved all seafood my entire life, but overdid it (don't get good seafood in wyoming!). Came home and began to itch, I had massive hives for some 3 weeks that heavy duty antihistamines, injections of this and that could not stop. Did an elimination diet, changed or eliminated soaps, detergents, etc. the whole rigamarole they put you through. By process of elimination the best guess was shrimp, etc, and that gives two choices 1) allergy to shrimp/seafood proteins, or 2) allergy to iodine. Over the next 19 + years, whenever I have gotten hives, it has been because there was an unsuspected source of iodine in my diet or in other products (toothpaste!, OTC NSAIDS, multivitamins.you name it, iodine is probably in it) I had also been having eczema (mild) here and there for years, but didn't recognize it for what it was until Jan 2003 when I got a horrible case of eczema with occasional hives, that has lasted to this day, except for two short remissions. The allergist says there is not a desensitisation protocol for iodine. He is the one who said if I had successfully been avoiding it completely, I'd have had a goiter years and years ago. I do know over the last 19 years it has become increasingly difficult to avoid it. And I have developed other allergies over the years. Which I read is not unusual. When one is having an allergy reaction the body becomes hyper-reactive and one can become allergic to foods and substances that were not previously a problem, when the hyper-reactive state eventually subsides, the new allergies sometimes also subside, but not always, in my experience. Further, whenever I have had an actual skin outbreak due to iodine, I've never been able to return to using or consuming iodine containing things that previously I got away with. It seems like every actual outbreak ramps up the sensitivity. Still there must be a root cause that makes a person likely to develop allergies. People become allergic to all kinds of things, pollens, danders, chemicals, food proteins.it makes absolutely no sense to me that a human can develop an allergy to a mineral required for life. But in my research I have found that iodine allergy is not as uncommon as many believe, and that people have died of it. Since it is so ubiquitous, and so hidden and difficult to track down various dietary and other sources of iodine, my personal belief is that the 75% of people who suffer from eczema and hives in whom the trigger is never found may be, in fact, allergic to iodine. paula Peter Rebaudo wrote: Paula: How was determined that You are allergic to iodine? What are the symptoms? Peter R -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT...Kind of, [caveat emptor]
I have to say my experiences bear this view point out very well. Garnet At 03:55 PM 3/11/2004 -0500, you wrote: Dear list. Don't want to get in a piss'n match about this but when I read a name mentioned on the list a while back it rang a bell. Yesterday I remembered where and posted the chap that I thought had mentioned to me his experience. He replied the following.. Actually his name is Vinny Pinto, of RawPaleoDiet NegativeHydrogenIon lately EffectiveMicroorganisms 'fame'. A charming and knowledgable bullshit--ripoff merchant of the highest calibre. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS and eczema, was, Re: CSfood allergies, was, (long rant!)
Linda, Thank you so much for the information. I have looked into NAET, never heard of BioSET, but I definitely will. I understand all too well the mental and emotional feelings, you had. I've had them too. I've been too busy just trying to 1) not use steriods, and 2) not check out during the past 14 months that I haven't had much left in the way of energy and resources to really delve into root causes that much. I have been using EFT to clear out some old stuff that is stressful. And I think that EFT can be used to deal with allergies also, but I haven't gotten that far yet. It has been a very, very long 14 months. And it hit me like a ton of bricks to have such an overwhelming and long-lasting skin reaction after 19 years of thinking that everything was pretty much under control except for the odd hive here and there. I just simply was not in any way prepared. Having become a CS maker and user, and also becoming a student of homeopathy, and going back to my beginnings re nutrition and herbs, I was determined NOT to go the steroid route. I have had to resort to antihistamines, though. I had already been using CS to try to eliminate intestinal candida, and had also become a devotee of DMSO and MSM. Since the rash finally decreased in area and severity, I have been able to start using a combination of CS and DMSO on it. Garnet, I believe, is who told me about using aloe vera juice/gel to pretreat the skin where the CS/DMSO will be applied to reduce the burning and stinging of the DMSO. That has allowed me to use it. I'm very sensitive to DMSO, it burns me like crazy for a long time after application. However, by reducing the concentration to about 25% or less of DMSO, and using the aloe first, I have been able to tolerate it with only discomfort. Two things about using CS/DSMO for eczemaI read that eczema sufferers are often colonized with staphlococcus, so the CS should help that, and the second is that Garnet posted that the burning from DMSO is histamine release. Using the CS/DMSO seems to have resulted in a remission at last (just in the last 2-3 weeks). Gotta say though that it was already at a much lower levelat the worst, there is no way at all, even with all the aloe in the world, that application of even 1% of DMSO would have been possible, I tried once or twice, and thought I was going to die of the pain. I should also say that in recent weeks I have about tripled my daily intake of oral CS, so probably that is helping also. If anyone wonders why it took me so long, I've only recently discovered the possible staph connection and found new info on iodine containing foods that preivously I didn't know were high iodine, such as turkey and asparagus. paula Linda Jones wrote: Paula, Have you considered doing some sort of biomeridian type treatment like NAET or BioSET for your iodine allergy? I've had a number of allergies eliminated with BioSET treatments. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS
Hi Michael, I stand corrected. I don't doubt you made CG but after running for 840 hours (24 hours/day X 35 days=840 hours) and having to add water continually it seems to me you could have introduced a lot of contaminants into the water over that period of time. If it came out purple or violet it sounds as though it was gold but I would hope for more corroboration than just a color change. I make it in about an hour using HVAC and it reads 10 PPM on a PWT meter. The gold is actually being disintegrated and the electrodes are disappearing before my eyes into the water. Heating of the water is definitely a problem because of the current passing through the water. Your unit passes about 1.3 watts through the water and mine passes about 450 watts so one can see the obvious difference in power dissipation. So I guess if you can make it with your process I say go for it but I would rather listen to my hair grow than wait that long for a batch to finish. I'll not make the statement again that one cannot produce CG unless using an arc. You have demonstrated it is possible without arcing. I also did not notice any difference in perception or feeling from taking it but I'm probably too dense to notice since I'm so healthy. If I felt any better I'd have to turn myself in for feeling too good. But I still take a few ounces of CG weekly and 6 ounces of 20+ PPM daily of CS. Best regards, Trem - Original Message - From: J (H) To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:13 AM Subject: [silver_list] CS I just replied to a personal email with the question, how did you make CG and I thought I would pass it on to the list. Maybe someone could refine this process and take it to the OT list. Reply: Let me just say I know very little about electricity. I followed the cleaning instructions on the back of a 15+ year old Sears electronic air purifier and pulled out the collection cell. The tab on one side of the collection cell butts up against the AC DC converter. There is an insulator between the converter and the contact point. The converter is bolted to the metal chasis. I followed the two wires, one black, one white attached to one end of the converter. The white one led directly to the plug wire. The black one led to a wire harness that runs to the off, high, low switch with six pins. Four of the six wires plugged to the switch are black with one red and one white. The red and white wires went to the circulating fan motor. I marked their position and disconnected them. I next used a red wire and a black wire with aligator clipped ends. The red wire I clipped to the insulated contact point on the converter. The black wire I clipped to a bolt that holds the converter to the metal chasis. With the collection cell out and the fan disconnected I pushed the chasis back into the wooden box. This unit has a plunger type safety switch. Here we go! I hooked the red and black aligator clipped wires to my one quart CS maker, stood back and plugged it in. Nothing blew so I went and got my laser light. Only minutes went by and I shone the laser through the solution; a very strong beam. I unpluged the machine and tasted; it was strong, clear CS. Drank most of it and put 6 oz. aside for future reference; looks the same two years later. I now know the machine works so I took a small gold panda and a fine gold ingot, probably 1/10 oz. and clipped them to the aligators. I taped the aligator wires to spring clipped clothes pins and rigged it over the one qt. jar. I filled the jar with DW up to the ingot and round spaced about 1 apart and adjusted for eveness. I finished by adding more DW with a new turkey baster being carefull not to touch the aligator clips and turned it on. Now, you must know that 1/8 or 1/10 oz. of gold with an aligator clip on it doesn't leave much gold in the solution. I had to add more DW about every other day to make up for normal water evaportation. This operation took about 5 weeks to turn lavender but I knew it was working as I could see tyndal after X number of days. I've since bought 1/4 oz. rounds and plan to make it again seeding with my old solution. I'm sure wire would work better as there would be more wetted area but wire is out of my price range and I have time. I'll use a pint jar the next time. I forget which wire busted the gold up but it did leave one piece tarnished. I suppose you could use silver or even stainless as one of the probes as long as you know which one is breaking up the gold. Out of the qt. solution I have 8 oz. left so I must have consumed about 24 oz., 1 oz. a day and noticed no change in my mood. My mood was good to begin with; I just succeeded in making CG after 5 weeks. I tried the microwave machine and although the microwave worked before I took it apart I couldn't make CS and when I put the microwave back together it was broke.
Re: CS Trem: CS Dose amount
Hi Trem, Taking 6 oz per day of 20ppm+ do you notice blue under your nails? Do you take extra selenium or any other supplements specifically for the CS injestion? Thanks, Vince Trem writes: snip I also did not notice any difference in perception or feeling from taking it but I'm probably too dense to notice since I'm so healthy. If I felt any better I'd have to turn myself in for feeling too good. But I still take a few ounces of CG weekly and 6 ounces of 20+ PPM daily of CS. Best regards, Trem -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAllergies and Hormone Balancing
I have been reading about Natural Hormone Replacement today. Not the synthetic HRT that you are hearing bad things about. Seems that allergies can be related to peri-menopause. Try a search on Natural Hormone or Bio-natural Hormones. Many need progesterone, not estrogen, which is what doctors routinely handed out to women in their 40's and 50's without ever checking a single saliva or blood level. Saliva testing is more accurate. Testing is mandatory to get it right. But can be done at home. The products are OTC. Dr John Lee was a pioneer in this field. Garnet -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS Dose amount
Hi Vince, I've been taking CS for about 6 years now. Always at least 20+ PPM as we calibrate our high volume generators by making a gallon or two per day with each one before it gets shipped. No argyria. Can't get it with ionic/colloidal silver as far as I know. I don't know of anyone that has. It's the silver compounds that are the cause of argyria. I take a multivitamin supplement which contains 200 mcg of selenium. Trem - Original Message - From: cvincer cvin...@ala.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 12:15 PM Subject: [silver_list] Re: CS Trem: CS Dose amount Hi Trem, Taking 6 oz per day of 20ppm+ do you notice blue under your nails? Do you take extra selenium or any other supplements specifically for the CS injestion? Thanks, Vince Trem writes: snip I also did not notice any difference in perception or feeling from taking it but I'm probably too dense to notice since I'm so healthy. If I felt any better I'd have to turn myself in for feeling too good. But I still take a few ounces of CG weekly and 6 ounces of 20+ PPM daily of CS. Best regards, Trem -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSCS Dose amount
I appreciate it Trem. There have been more than one person lately on the list that reported some blue under their nails including Ole' Bob. But that may be lack of oxygen for all I know... Vince -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS Dose amount Hi Vince, I've been taking CS for about 6 years now. Always at least 20+ PPM as we calibrate our high volume generators by making a gallon or two per day with each one before it gets shipped. No argyria. Can't get it with ionic/colloidal silver as far as I know. I don't know of anyone that has. It's the silver compounds that are the cause of argyria. I take a multivitamin supplement which contains 200 mcg of selenium. Trem - Original Message - From: cvincer cvin...@ala.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 12:15 PM Subject: [silver_list] Re: CS Trem: CS Dose amount Hi Trem, Taking 6 oz per day of 20ppm+ do you notice blue under your nails? Do you take extra selenium or any other supplements specifically for the CS injestion? Thanks, Vince Trem writes: snip I also did not notice any difference in perception or feeling from taking it but I'm probably too dense to notice since I'm so healthy. If I felt any better I'd have to turn myself in for feeling too good. But I still take a few ounces of CG weekly and 6 ounces of 20+ PPM daily of CS. Best regards, Trem -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS Dose amount
Hi Vince, Entirely possible. Ole Bob does have heart trouble. As I recall he only has 20% capacity. I believe he gave that number on the list some time ago. So I think we can safely discount argyria with him. Now that you mention it I think Marshall also had some bluing on his nail beds. Marshall, do you have an explanation? Trem - Original Message - From: Vince Richter cvin...@ala.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:22 PM Subject: [silver_list] RE: CSCS Dose amount I appreciate it Trem. There have been more than one person lately on the list that reported some blue under their nails including Ole' Bob. But that may be lack of oxygen for all I know... Vince -Original Message- From: Trem [mailto:t...@silvergen.com] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 3:34 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSCS Dose amount Hi Vince, I've been taking CS for about 6 years now. Always at least 20+ PPM as we calibrate our high volume generators by making a gallon or two per day with each one before it gets shipped. No argyria. Can't get it with ionic/colloidal silver as far as I know. I don't know of anyone that has. It's the silver compounds that are the cause of argyria. I take a multivitamin supplement which contains 200 mcg of selenium. Trem - Original Message - From: cvincer cvin...@ala.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 12:15 PM Subject: [silver_list] Re: CS Trem: CS Dose amount Hi Trem, Taking 6 oz per day of 20ppm+ do you notice blue under your nails? Do you take extra selenium or any other supplements specifically for the CS injestion? Thanks, Vince Trem writes: snip I also did not notice any difference in perception or feeling from taking it but I'm probably too dense to notice since I'm so healthy. If I felt any better I'd have to turn myself in for feeling too good. But I still take a few ounces of CG weekly and 6 ounces of 20+ PPM daily of CS. Best regards, Trem -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS Dose Amount
If someone were to notice incipient blueness at the base of the fingernails, what should that person do? There are several possibilities. 1. Stop taking CS for a while. 2. Reduce CS intake. 3. Bind the ingested CS using methods described in a previous thread. 4. Switch to an alternative element. In the latter case, the alternate might depend on the particular health problem. Gold, zinc, copper, manganese, indium, etc., etc., are all possible candidates. Has anybody considered which alternates deserve priority? Best regards, Matthew
CSMicrons, angstroms etc.
Thank you Marshall! I can do this. Jean Baugh ** You will likely find that the size of the particles is more dependent on the quality of the water than the generator design. There are some differences as to the size and spacing of the electrodes, and if the water is stirred or not. Basically the cooler the water, the lower the current, the purer the water and the wider the electrodes, the smaller the particles for a low voltage DC system. Marshall oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote: Hi, Can anyone explain the difference between the size of the colloidal silver particles? One company will advertise one way and another company will advertise another way. Apparently the smaller the silver particles, the more beneficial? If this is the case, can anyone say with authority which company sells a generator that produces the smallest particles of colloidal silver? Thank you, Jean Baugh
CSMicrons, angstroms etc.
Hi Ode, I'm impressed! Thank you so much! Jean Baugh * From: Ode Coyote coyote...@earthlink.net 1 nanometer = 0.001 micron 1 micron = 10, 000 angstroms 1 angstrom = 0.1 nanometer 1 angstrom = 0.0001 micron Blah blah blah. Google has this cool fuction where you type in 'x' microns to angstroms and it tells you what is what. Fact is, most generator makers [and CS sellers] don't know what size the particles are and will just make something up or copy someone else. Some have the wrong test made. I don't believe SEM or TEM [electron microscopes] results are entirely accurate due to the way they work. Some will intentionally confuse the issue between ions and particles, where if they're not making any particles, they'll use the size of an ion and claim that's it..or even ignore whatever particles they do make and still use the size of an ion or two. If they say anything about an ion cloud or TE they're making particles. Even ions have several ways to look at what size they are. It's only been recently that I knew what size 'I' made..assuming they were the smallest possible because the CS is clear and free of color. Well, they're not the smallest possible. [Pretty good though...] ..and the spread can vary some and still be within the range that has no color a factor which may have several irrelevancies included such as degrees of oxidation and so on. Frank makes very small particles and his CS is brown, I believe? [He won't say how he makes that CS...big secret. And he doesn't sell generators. ] Malvern Particle Sizer results from Frank Keys Collidal Sciences Laboratory: 87% Ionic [single atom minus an electron at 0.000252 microns] http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Ag/radii.html 14.3% Particle portion: 54% @ 55.65nm or .0565 microns 45%@ 132.9 nm or .1329 microns Super high HVAC process probably does a better job, but can also make a dangerous product [silver nitrate] if not closley watched and run just right. There's also some controversy on what size is best. Some people say that a range of various sizes [that are small enough to pass through membranes and cell walls] are best because microbes come in different sizes. Heck, sounds good to me. To my way of thinking, If it's too big to get in, it doesn't need to get out. [passes right on through] ALL CS contains ions and small particles. Even if some are very large, many are very small...so, that bad CS will work too. How well determines how much. Since there are no dosing standards that make any sense at all, enough is enough. Since CS at the concentrations commonly sold and made [3 to 20 PPM] is less toxic [silver wise] than the water it's in, too much is nearly impossible. [Some degree of caution as to dose and duration is advisable if it's extremely strong] I think color is still a good rule of thumb. Clear is best. [Virtually any generator can make clear CS up to 5 PPM.] Yellow is Hummm..not bad [pale yellow] to OK [deep yellow] Any other color...red, violet, green...toss it or use it topically Mud...black, brown and cloudy cloudy...including 'other colors' will work. [but if it's really really thick..be a bit careful with dose and duration] Using a timer to determine strength cannot work because water varies a lot and therefore, time, will vary by several minutes or even hours to get to the same point. Just a few degrees difference in water temperature changes time considerably. Using a PPM or other conductivity meter like a PWT is a help, but it's still measuring apples to get oranges and changing an element in the process can throw corrolations between virtually unrelated things, off quite a bit. For example: [from http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr19/cpr_19.html] Earthborn Products claiming 100 PPM [Obviously using a meter to get that figure] Conductivity: 164 uS/cmTotal Silver Concentration: 0.52 ppm +/- 0.05 ppm Percent Ionic: 100 [This might also be an example of how a high voltage setup can go wrong...but I don't know what process Earthborn used. Why so much conductivity and so little silver when all of it is ionic? ] A generator that uses current controls and a reference voltage drop to reach a shut down point are the most accurate. There's still some inherent variation in particle count and accuracy is still not 100%, but at least they always run the same way, batch to batch. Ode At 07:36 PM 3/11/2004 -0600, you wrote: Hi, Can anyone explain the difference between the size of the colloidal silver particles? One company will advertise one way and another company will advertise another way. Apparently the smaller the silver particles, the more beneficial? If this is the case, can anyone say with authority which company sells a generator that produces the smallest particles of colloidal silver? Thank you, Jean Baugh
Re: CSMicrons, angstroms etc.
MessageHear, hear! Bravo. - Original Message - From: James Holmes To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 11:05 AM Subject: RE: CSMicrons, angstroms etc. A note to the CS student. This post by the Coyote is jam-packed with good practical information. While every single little thing may not be exactly correct (I am not suggesting error, only pointing out that new info always changes current belief...)this post is something you should save for future reference. There is more relevant info on CS here than in many lengthy technical writings by others. Take heed. JOH -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote [mailto:coyote...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 5:53 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMicrons, angstroms etc. 1 nanometer = 0.001 micron 1 micron = 10, 000 angstroms 1 angstrom = 0.1 nanometer 1 angstrom = 0.0001 micron Blah blah blah. Google has this cool fuction where you type in 'x' microns to angstroms and it tells you what is what. Fact is, most generator makers [and CS sellers] don't know what size the particles are and will just make something up or copy someone else. Some have the wrong test made. I don't believe SEM or TEM [electron microscopes] results are entirely accurate due to the way they work. Some will intentionally confuse the issue between ions and particles, where if they're not making any particles, they'll use the size of an ion and claim that's it..or even ignore whatever particles they do make and still use the size of an ion or two. If they say anything about an ion cloud or TE they're making particles. Even ions have several ways to look at what size they are. It's only been recently that I knew what size 'I' made..assuming they were the smallest possible because the CS is clear and free of color. Well, they're not the smallest possible. [Pretty good though...] ..and the spread can vary some and still be within the range that has no color a factor which may have several irrelevancies included such as degrees of oxidation and so on. Frank makes very small particles and his CS is brown, I believe? [He won't say how he makes that CS...big secret. And he doesn't sell generators. ] Malvern Particle Sizer results from Frank Keys Collidal Sciences Laboratory: 87% Ionic [single atom minus an electron at 0.000252 microns] http://www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/Ag/radii.html 14.3% Particle portion: 54% @ 55.65nm or .0565 microns 45%@ 132.9 nm or .1329 microns Super high HVAC process probably does a better job, but can also make a dangerous product [silver nitrate] if not closley watched and run just right. There's also some controversy on what size is best. Some people say that a range of various sizes [that are small enough to pass through membranes and cell walls] are best because microbes come in different sizes. Heck, sounds good to me. To my way of thinking, If it's too big to get in, it doesn't need to get out. [passes right on through] ALL CS contains ions and small particles. Even if some are very large, many are very small...so, that bad CS will work too. How well determines how much. Since there are no dosing standards that make any sense at all, enough is enough. Since CS at the concentrations commonly sold and made [3 to 20 PPM] is less toxic [silver wise] than the water it's in, too much is nearly impossible. [Some degree of caution as to dose and duration is advisable if it's extremely strong] I think color is still a good rule of thumb. Clear is best. [Virtually any generator can make clear CS up to 5 PPM.] Yellow is Hummm..not bad [pale yellow] to OK [deep yellow] Any other color...red, violet, green...toss it or use it topically Mud...black, brown and cloudy cloudy...including 'other colors' will work. [but if it's really really thick..be a bit careful with dose and duration] Using a timer to determine strength cannot work because water varies a lot and therefore, time, will vary by several minutes or even hours to get to the same point. Just a few degrees difference in water temperature changes time considerably. Using a PPM or other conductivity meter like a PWT is a help, but it's still measuring apples to get oranges and changing an element in the process can throw corrolations between virtually unrelated things, off quite a bit. For example: [from http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/cpr19/cpr_19.html] Earthborn Products claiming 100 PPM [Obviously using a meter to get that figure] Conductivity: 164 uS/cm Total Silver Concentration: 0.52 ppm +/- 0.05 ppm Percent Ionic: 100 [This might also be an example of how a high voltage setup can go wrong...but I don't know what process Earthborn used. Why so much conductivity and so
Re: CSOT:To Linux users
Hank, There are two logins available: login: root p/w: root login: guest p/w guest If this is your first time using a *nix type OS do your learning / poking around with the guest account or you may become more familiar with loading and configuring than you desire! Regards, George --Original Message Text--- From: Hank Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 16:03:22 -0600 Hi, Is there any Linux user on here that can help me or tell me where to get help? I received the PCLinuxOS 2K4 on the disk and when I try to start the system it asks for the username and password, How do I get a username with it when it won't even let me start the system? Sincerely Yours, Hank http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka http://hdka.stormpages.com/indexf.html http://69.28.73.17/todaysshow/todaysshow.html http://members.fortunecity.com/hdka/menact.html --- Hanks outgoing mail is certified as Virus Free as can be. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.619 / Virus Database: 398 - Release Date: 3/10/04
Re: CS
note the link on down 'there' it should read: www.earthpulse.net and not have the numeral 1 in it. If anyone is interested in the Edgar Cayce Wet Cell appliance, check at Meridian Institute Edgar Cayce's Multiple Sclerosis Treatment ... org/health/database/chdata/data/prms3a.html For research into the efficacy of Cayce's approach to treating MS, visit http://www.meridianinstitute.com/msreport ... Description: Edgar Cayce's holistic approach to treating MS. Includes research, testimonials, and an online support... Category: Health Conditions and Diseases ... Treatment www.webspawner.com/users/multscler1/ - 10k - Cached - Similar pages This email was cleaned by emailStripper, available for free from http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm davido On Fri, 12 Mar 2004 09:07:40 -0600 Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com writes: Excerpts from Alternatives newsletter Volume 10, No. 9, March 2004 put out by Dr. David G. Williams. The Find of a Century...or Two When things finally do come together, however, the results can overshadow years of frustration. That's exactly what happened recently. After years of constant digging, I'm about to share with you what may be one of the most powerful healing therapies I have uncovered during the 18 years I've been writing Alternatives. I don't want to sound grandiose, but I feel this therapy may be one of the greatest discoveries in the history of medicine. Like most of the treatments or cures I cover in Alternatives, the basis of my understanding and appreciation start-ed forming years ago. Almost 22 years ago, I first heard about a device called a wet cell appliance. It was first described by the healing psychic Edgar Cayce. Basically, it con-sists of a homemade chemical battery that report-edly can be used to treat Parkinson's and other neu-rological diseases. Electrodes from the battery are placed at specific sites on the body, and a very weak current (25 to 35 millivolts) passes through the body. Before entering the body the current passes through a jar that contains gold, silver, or camphor salt solutions, which are supposed to impart the vibratory frequencies of these substances into the nervous system, immune system, or both. Some individuals have reported improve-ments after using wet cells, but the results have been very inconsistent. I've utilized wet cells in the past with very little success. Not surprisingly, there has been little credible research on wet cell therapy. The one study I'm aware of showed it produced only minimal results. (Subtle Energies Energy Medicine 02;11(2):151-166) Knowing there are very few successful treat-ments for neurological problems such as Parkinson's, I continued to search for a therapy that could possibly build on the very limited suc-cess of the wet cell. About ten years ago, I heard about the work of a Dr. Reuven Sandyk. Dr. Sandyk had begun to publish work involving the use of low-level electromagnetic treatment for Parkinson's. I spent time studying Dr. Sandyk's research and found it fascinating, to say the least. It differed from the wet cell therapy in that it uti-lized pulsed rather than continuous current, and instead of direct electrical current, it was electro-magnetic, which is to say it generated electrical fields in the body. Dr. Sandyk had shown that by using electromagnetic therapy to treat Parkinson's patients, he could reduce the amount of medication they required and improve their gait, ability to speak, and sense of smell. (Int J Neurosci 93;69(1-4):167-83) I immediately contacted Dr. Sandyk to discuss his work, and he seemed surprised I was interest-ed, hut he was very open and helpful. I then spoke with him on several subsequent occasions. For some reason, that access came to an abrupt halt, and he referred me to his attorney, refusing to dis-cuss his work with me any further. I never learned why. I suspect he realized that I was looking for a way the therapy could be used immediately to help suffering Alternatives readers, and he was afraid any publicity might put him in jeopardy with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) or other regulatory authorities. I'm still not sure what happened, but it was a big disappointment. After all, it certainly appeared to be a very simple, effective therapy. Very weak magnetic fields were being applied to the head, which created electrical fields in the brain. There was, and still is, a great deal of debate about how this could be effective. There is little question, however, that it is safe and can achieve astound-ing results. Big Bucks for Temporary Results Dr. Sandyk has continued to research and pub-lish, and I have continued to follow his work. To date, he has published more than 500 peer--reviewed studies, with more than 90 of those detailing the successful use of electromagnetic
CSTrem's CS consumption
Hi Trem: I do not think Vince was talking about argyria, but a very light purple tone under the fingernails moon. I get it by drinking 2 Oz a day, after a few days. With no intake, it takes about two weeks to disappear. My oximeter shows my blood percent oxigenation is 98%. My resting heart rate is 64. Regards Peter --- Trem Wrote: I've been taking CS for about 6 years now. Always at least 20+ PPM as we calibrate our high volume generators by making a gallon or two per day with each one before it gets shipped. No argyria. Can't get it with ionic/colloidal silver as far as I know. I don't know of anyone that has. It's the silver compounds that are the cause of argyria. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
