Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Evening Mike, Thanks for the explanation. The reason such a small amount works is the H2O2 acts as a catalyst. It is not consumed in the process of converting silver oxides back to silver ions and oxygen. Somehow I missed some of this. I have had some distractions lately. I still have all the messages. Will do some review of the subject. It doesn't take much. I use between 40 and 80 parts per billion, depending on how carefully I manage to pour the H2O2 in a teaspoon:) Interesting. I wondered if this was measured or calculated. I posted the equations earlier if that would help explain it better. Yes, I saw those and generally like anything similar. I understand math better than chemistry. At what stage do I add the H2O2? Most everything I ever worked with either worked or it did not work. I can't relate to something that works 30%, 60%, or 97 %. I fully realize that there is a place of scientific analysis and methods relative to CS and everything else. I would think that in excess of 99.7 % of the CS use is by common people that have not a clue about this technical stuff. Some of the very first batches worked miracles for the uses. One such case involved an older male who had some skin disorder on his right calf muscle. He had been to many doctors including dermatologists. I gave him a bottle of my CS and the spot disappeared. Interesting that my son and myself had a disturbance in the same place. There must be some critter that spits poison on that spot as we walk past. Mine was minor. It was dry and scaly and itched at times.I splashed a little CS on it. The next time I looked for the abnormal spot, I could neither see it or feel it. Every time I had a fever or a bug, I drink 16 oz. and later 16 more. Often in 4 or 5 hours the fever is gone never to show up again. I fail to understand how something that works 100%, can work better. Maybe so. Maybe I simply have not been sick enough yet to need the better CS. Don't misunderstand me, I am not against experimentation and change. Today I put a bottle in my truck. I had used half the bottle and before I got home I had given the half bottle to a needy person and was wishing I had more. I suppose I should add the few drops of 3%. I have some 34 % that is a few years old. Any way I can tell if it is still good? I suppose if I add 24 drops to 16 ounces and do a taste test, I can tell if it is good. No one ever forgets the taste. I had some very favorable results drinking this 34 %. Not sure why I quite doing it. No problems needed solving I suppose. Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004
Re: CSEffect on Kombucha?
If you mean adding it to it while it is growing, it will kill it. Marshall No, I mean if one were to take it together, or on the same day. R I've just started making Kombucha. Is CS likely to counteract it in any way? Kill off any beneficial organisms? I understand the fungus is a symbiosis of yeast cells and Bacterium xylinum, Bacterium gluconicum, Acetobacter ketogenum and Pichia fermentans. Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSChicken Pox
I just wanted to thank the list. My 14 month old DS just got over the chicken pox. Thanks to cs and DMSO it was a walk in the park. The only bad thing? My DS smelled like creamed corn. I thought chickenpox was supposed to be difficult and kids were supposed to be pink from the horrid lotion? I also decided to make sure the cats don't have any UTI's or bladder infections. Now THEY smell like creamed corn. My DS's chxpox could probably have been nipped sooner than it was (about 4 days with the mixture, it was 2 days before we figured out it WAS chxpox) but I didn't want to overdo it with such a small little guy. I did see my 5yo DD drinking the mixture and it took everything I had NOT to get evil at her. I WANT HER TO GET THE CHXPOX! I think she may have killed any chance. Ah well. Thanks again list! Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCleaning electrodes
I don't even think it's neccessary to scrub the surface clean, just wipe really well, maybe polish a little...get the loose stuff off. Yes, IMO rough is good. ode At 10:35 AM 8/19/2004 -0400, you wrote: Hi, Ode, Thanks for your insights. Are you saying that a fresh, satiny surface is better because it has more points as well as more surface area than a freshly minted, smooth surface? Best regards, Matthew -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS From: Wayne Fugitt Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:16:14 Hi Wayne, Evening Mike, Thanks for the explanation. The reason such a small amount works is the H2O2 acts as a catalyst. It is not consumed in the process of converting silver oxides back to silver ions and oxygen. Somehow I missed some of this. I have had some distractions lately. I still have all the messages. Will do some review of the subject. It doesn't take much. I use between 40 and 80 parts per billion, depending on how carefully I manage to pour the H2O2 in a teaspoon:) Interesting. I wondered if this was measured or calculated. Here are the updated calculations for 1/4 tsp H2O2 per litre: 1/4 tsp H2O2 = 1.23 milliliters But H2O2 is 3% concentration, so the actual amount of H2O2 is 1.23 milliliters * 0.03 = 0.0369 milliliters H2O2 Now, 1 ppm = 1 milliliter per litre So 0.0369 milliliters = 0.0369 ppm, or ~40 parts per billion At what stage do I add the H2O2? After the brew is finished and it turns yellow, or your previous experience tells you it probably will. [...] Today I put a bottle in my truck. I had used half the bottle and before I got home I had given the half bottle to a needy person and was wishing I had more. Then make more:) I suppose I should add the few drops of 3%. I have some 34 % that is a few years old. Any way I can tell if it is still good? I'd toss it. H2O2 is cheap and you don't need much. I suppose if I add 24 drops to 16 ounces and do a taste test, I can tell if it is good. No one ever forgets the taste. I had some very favorable results drinking this 34 %. Not sure why I quite doing it. The easiest explanation is it converts the unusable silver oxides to ions so your body can use them. It is possible there might be a synergistic effect between the H2O2 and the silver ions after they enter your body, but this is a pure guess. I find little or no H2O2 taste at the low concentrations needed. Wayne Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
At 10:45 AM 8/19/2004 -0400, you wrote: Re: CSH2o2 From: Ode Coyote Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 07:12:34 I think it was Nancy Delise that showed a micrograph of CS taken by a water treatment plant before and after adding peroxide that proves the case out. Frank Key could run something definitive, if he were so inclined. Ode Hi Ken, Those photographs raise a number of questions. 1. How do we know the shiny particles in the photos are made of silver? It could be simple dust particles due to room air contamination. ## WE don't really. Why would peroxide break apart a dust particle? 2. If the particles were indeed silver, how were they created? Silver is insoluble in dw, as Frank Key went to extraordinary lengths to discover. ## By definition, silver colloid is suspended in water, not dissolved. There is a slight possibility that silver crystals could be etched from the surface of the electrode while the electrolysis process is following a grain boundary. However, it is difficult to see how electrolysis could work underneath a crystal, since it would shield the electric field necessary to liberate silver ions. ## If the voltage is high enough, possible electrosputering? No, I do believe the silver particles form later out of ions as they pick up electrons from somewhere. It not 'just only' ion/anion stuff. Where? Golly, everywhere. It's more amazing that ions can exist for so long. Perhaps your extensive experience in plating would give some guidance. ## My experience there was over 30 years ago by doing it and watching closely to do it well, seat of the pants style...not by a chemical engineering education. But in order to keep the chemical equations balanced, it is difficult to see how pure silver can be created during electrolysis. ## All it takes is an electron to make a particle out of an ion. Anions play a role in certain spots to make hydroxides and oxides to some extent but I don't think that's the only source of electrons. The oxides and hydroxides tend to form on and to stay on the electrodes as fluffy white and fluffy black deposits if the current is low. Part of the bubble structure I've mentioned before is probably part silver hydroxide and part metallic particles. If it drops to the bottom, the hydrogen dissolves out of the structure releasing a white cloud identical to the ion cloud but leaves a portion of itself on the bottom as a white dust. It's hard to tell the difference between a clumpy cluster of silver particles having a white cast due to texture and silver hydroxide which has its own white color, so I couldn't say that either is there exclusively. If the electrodes are positioned very close to the bottom of the container, I get a black spot on one side, a white spot on the other and a silver plating in between. H2O2 doesn't seem to want to touch any of them. It all has to be scrubbed off mechanically. The only source of electrons near the anode is the hydroxyl ion, OH-. When it meets a silver ion, it creates silver hydroxide, which is unstable and may covert to plain silver oxide. ## That would explain both of the electrodes sometimes becoming black. It's a rare occurance but it happens. The same thing happens at the cathode. This is the soft black or dark brown coating everyone wipes off their electrodes. ## Yup, silver oxides 'now', made instantly and never making it off the cathode. If the current density is low enough, silver ions can plate out at the cathode. This is the source of the gray whiskers on the cathode at the end of the brew. As you explained long ago, the silver atoms enclose hydrogen bubbles to form the sludge. However, it is not clear that Nancy's cs generator ran at low enough current for this to occur. ## Somewhere along the line, the atoms form to coat the bubbles..and make suspended silver particles...and hydroxides. It is easy to tell the difference H2O2 has on silver oxide vs pure silver. If you put a drop on your silver electrode and look at the reaction under a microscope, you see tiny bubbles forming rather slowly. ## I've seen the peroxide clean off the oxide pretty fast. What I don't understand is why, if a black electrode is left in peroxide after being cleaned off, does it turn black again. If you evaporate several ounces of cs to form silver oxide/hydroxide as I described in recent posts, then add H2O2, the reaction is much faster. It bubbles and fizzes as it liberates oxygen. The result is a clear solution of silver ions. ##You know, some people say that adding peroxide reduces TE indicating a return to ionic form, but I don't see that. What I see is a change in quality of the TE from course and grainy to ultra fine, uniform and fuzzy..and quite often increasing in intensity I think there may be a lot more going on than a few equations can account
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS From: Mike Monett Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 12:05:43 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72701.html Sorry,I goofed in a previous postwhen calculating part-per-billion. I brew in 2 litre batches and use 1/2 tsp but forgot to divide by two when converting tsp to milliliters. The following should read 1/4 tsp. The end result is the same, about 40 ppm. Here are the calculations: 1/2 tsp H2O2 = 1.23 milliliters But, H2O2 used is 3% concentration, so the actual amount of H2O2 is 1.23 milliliters * 0.03 = 0.0369 milliliters H2O2 Now, 1 ppm = 1 milliliter per litre So 0.0369 milliliters = 0.0369 ppm, or ~40 parts per billion Only a very small amount is needed! When you add H2O2 to cs containing silver oxide, the H2O2 acts as a catalyst and is not consumed in the reaction: 2Ag2O + H2O2 -- 4Ag(+) + O2(g) + H2O2 However, if you add H2O2 to pure silver, the H2O2 is consumed: 2Ag + 2H2O2 -- 2Ag(+) + O2(g) + 2H2O Since 40 ppb of H2O2 is sufficient to clear 20 ppm cs that has turned yellow, this shows the particles are actually silver oxides and not pure silver particles as was thought in the past. The oxides are created when hydroxyl ions (OH-) combine with silver ions (Ag+) in the Nernst Diffusion layer which is very close to the surface of the electrodes. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnew bacteria
I thought it was necrotizing fasciitis Is necrotizing fasciitis the name of the bacteria, or the medical term for the aliment? Marshall Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Marshall, At 02:09 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote: From what I understand all the flesh eating bacteria not only respond to CS I thought we all agreed there is no such thing as flesh eating bacteria. Maybe it was another list. Instead it is a flesh eating syndrome.The symptoms appear that something is eating the cells when if fact the body chemistry is in such a failing condition, the cells are simply dissolving. In addition, 5 out of 7 who die from this have been using OTC pain relievers, and likely other drugs that destroy life sustaining processes. Would you think that healthy people have the same response to whatever bacteria causes this? Last week a 70 year old female died from a bacteria infection that was never identified. About a year ago, a 70 year old male construction worked was killed within 24 hours by the flesh eating syndrome. I had known him for several years. He still worked every day. Not sure about his drug consumption. If there was in fact a flesh eating bacteria, a specific name and a picture would be available by now. Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMold, Chlorine Bleach and Vellux Blankets
Hi Mike, A friend recommended this stuff http://www.siberianlichen.com/ for getting rid of mold. I haven't tried it, but it may be helpful to you. Paul H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnew bacteria
It is easy to understand. A cured patient is a lost patient. You were making them lose money! Marshall sol wrote: Well, with CS, DMSO, and H202 on hand I won't worry. My mother in her extreme old age had several injuries that got badly infected, and you wouldn't believe the pressure and anger from her doctor and nurses about me using peroxide (at mom's request). They were absolutely furious. But their stuff and wound care regimen only led to further infection, but they didn't seem to notice or care about that. And they wanted her to use stuff on it (Neosporin) that she had an allergic reaction to, further increasing the infection, and they were contemptuous of me saying she is allergic to xxx. It simply was never acknowledged by either the nurse or the doctor that when the nurse came and tended the wound and left it bandaged it would be worse the next day. When I did the wound care it got better. I wish I had known about and been making CS in those bad old daysI could have used it invisibly and they would have been none the wiser. sol Marshall Dudley wrote: From what I understand all the flesh eating bacteria not only respond to CS, but also to H2O2. But the hospitals don't use it because it is too cheap a solution, and if people knew they could treat it over the counter, they would not go to the doctor or hospital. Marshall sol wrote: From another email list: someone died last thurs. from Vibrio vulnificus, a salt-water bacteria -- got into a cut while he was standing in the ocean fishing it is a flesh-eating bacteria and 7 have died in TX from it in the last 8 months. there are even different strains of it. He'd been treated for it for a month. Anybody know if this is really a new bacteria? Anybody think CS or CS/DMSO could take care of it? sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com -- Realists are the pins in a room full of fantasy balloons.
Re: CSH2o2
Mike Monett wrote: Hi Nancy, Thanks for your post. You are confirming what many people here believe, which is the ionic cs works better. The silver oxides produced in many systems have little or no benefit. The oxides are inert, but H2O2 acts as a catalyst to convert them back into silver ions and oxygen. My own experience also tells me that high ionic cs works much better. At first sight it appears contridictory that an oxidizer would reduce silver oxide. But maybe it can, but if so, according to this theory, the amount of H2O2 you add could be very important. Here is the theory. It is just a theory, I have no measurements to back it up. The H2O2 has an extra oxygen atom which it willing gives up. If it contacts a AgO, the extra atom is released. This could cause either of two things to happen, either the O2 then splits away from the Ag, leaving a silver atom, or it gives you AgO2. But I think maybe another reaction is happening. The silver ions will have an OH radical associated with them. The extra oxygen atom may be combining with the OH and producing water. In the process it gives up an electron which reduces the silver ion to a silver atom. The end result would be a colloid with the smallest possible particle size, one atom! I believe this theory could be easily tested by adding a small amount of H2O2 to CS, then adding a little salt. If this is correct less, or no AgCl should form and it should remain clear, or clearer than if the H2O2 had not been added. I will see if I can run this test tonight. The reduction of the size of particles is harder to explain. Here is one possibility. The larger particles are an aggragation of smaller particles via a siver ion. The H2O2 reduces this ion as above, and then the two particles no longer are both attracted to the same ion and drift apart. Or maybe the H2O2 causes oxygen to be evolved anywhere there is a defect in the particle (or maybe an atom of copper), and the pressure breaks the particle apart. I think this line is very worth exploring, especially since many have reported that H2O2 supercharges CS. But it would be worthwhile to determine if it is producing silver oxide, reducing silver oxide, producing silver peroxide, or silver atoms. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
You're welcome Mike. I wonder about the stability of hydrogen peroxide. I have some food grade 35% H2O2 that I have had for about two years. It has no preservatives in it, but it is still good. I made up some 3% from it yesterday, and used some in my ear, and it fizzed up like crazy. It has been sitting in the bathroom at room temperature, not frozen as is recommended, so perhaps peroxide is more stable than is generally thought. In which case, why do they feel the need to put phenacetin in it at all? Or is it less stable at 3%? Paul H - Original Message - From: Mike Monett 5ay1wk...@sneakemail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:01 PM Subject: Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS From: Paul Holloway Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 01:19:18 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72654.html Peroxide you buy at the drug store or Walmart usually contains phenacetin as a stabilizer. Some people like to avoid phenacetin, as it is toxic, though the small quantities in peroxide may not cause a problem. It was used as a painkiller, but was taken off the market due to toxicity. If this concerns you, you can buy food grade peroxide at some health food stores, or online. Paul H Dear Paul, Thank you very much for posting this information! I checked the toxicity, but it is at such a low concentration ( 0.05%) that it should have little effect: http://www.uiowa.edu/~chemsafe/MSDS/HydrogenPeroxide.htm The reason I am so pleased with your post is you have explained a nagging problem I was having with adding H2O2 to cs. Normally, I use about 1/2 teaspoon per litre, which is about 40 parts per billion of H2O2. Here are the calculations: 1/2 tsp H2O2 = 1.23 milliliters But, H2O2 used is 3% concentration, so the actual amount of H2O2 is 1.23 milliliters * 0.03 = 0.0369 milliliters H2O2 Now, 1 ppm = 1 milliliter per litre So 0.0369 milliliters = 0.0369 ppm, or ~40 parts per billion The problem is the amount of silver oxide in typical cs may be 5 to 10 percent of the total. So if you have 20ppm ionic, you may have 1 to 2 ppm of oxides. However, the 40 ppb H2O2 can clear up a yellow solution overnight, and keep it clear. This means the H2O2 acts as a catalyst, and is not consumed in the reaction. My problem is what keeps the H2O2 from disassociating? And you supplied the answer: phenacetin! Thanks Very Much! Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChicken Pox
I think a child should have chicken pox for a few days before you get rid of it. That should give them a lifetime of immunity, and if they don't get that, it can be very serious in adult years. Marshall jandwti...@charter.net wrote: I just wanted to thank the list. My 14 month old DS just got over the chicken pox. Thanks to cs and DMSO it was a walk in the park. The only bad thing? My DS smelled like creamed corn. I thought chickenpox was supposed to be difficult and kids were supposed to be pink from the horrid lotion? I also decided to make sure the cats don't have any UTI's or bladder infections. Now THEY smell like creamed corn. My DS's chxpox could probably have been nipped sooner than it was (about 4 days with the mixture, it was 2 days before we figured out it WAS chxpox) but I didn't want to overdo it with such a small little guy. I did see my 5yo DD drinking the mixture and it took everything I had NOT to get evil at her. I WANT HER TO GET THE CHXPOX! I think she may have killed any chance. Ah well. Thanks again list! Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChicken Pox
Hate to burst anyone's bubble but most of us get Chicken Pox many times in our lifetimes. The first outbreak is generally the worst and subsequent cases are not recognized because there are rarely any pox, maybe one or two on the chest or scalp. Symptoms are like the prodromal of any CP outbreak, cold / flu like symptoms. In older folks the virus tends to morph to herpes zoster or shingles. Which they say you also only get once, but this is untrue as well. Garnet On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 10:31, Marshall Dudley wrote: I think a child should have chicken pox for a few days before you get rid of it. That should give them a lifetime of immunity, and if they don't get that, it can be very serious in adult years. Marshall jandwti...@charter.net wrote: I just wanted to thank the list. My 14 month old DS just got over the chicken pox. Thanks to cs and DMSO it was a walk in the park. The only bad thing? My DS smelled like creamed corn. I thought chickenpox was supposed to be difficult and kids were supposed to be pink from the horrid lotion? I also decided to make sure the cats don't have any UTI's or bladder infections. Now THEY smell like creamed corn. My DS's chxpox could probably have been nipped sooner than it was (about 4 days with the mixture, it was 2 days before we figured out it WAS chxpox) but I didn't want to overdo it with such a small little guy. I did see my 5yo DD drinking the mixture and it took everything I had NOT to get evil at her. I WANT HER TO GET THE CHXPOX! I think she may have killed any chance. Ah well. Thanks again list! Jess -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
Ode Coyote wrote: ## I've seen the peroxide clean off the oxide pretty fast. What I don't understand is why, if a black electrode is left in peroxide after being cleaned off, does it turn black again. Two possibilities I can think of. The silver oxide dissolves into H2O2, and thus the silver cleans up, until the peroxide saturates, then no more can dissolve, but it keeps forming on the silver. The silver oxide reduces to silver metal, but over time, the silver metal reacts with H2O2 to form silver peroxide which is insoluble.. This should be easy to eliminate one possibility. Do the experiment once, then take the silver with the black on it a second time, and put it in a fresh glass of H2O2. If it clears off again, the first possibility is supported, if it has no action, the second possibility is supported. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSubject: CSinjury and pain: suggested solutions
on the rife group it was reported it has a probiotic form that is pleomorfic and can lead to cancer. roger sol wrote: I am NOT a fan of Primal Defense or their related products. The company gave me intentionally misleading information about whether there was iodine content in their products after I specifically told them I had a violent iodine allergy. It wasn't until I wrote again, and repeated my request for info that they grudgingly and rather rudely said, the products are grown on seaweeds, so do contain iodine. They should have said so in response to my first request, but they (in my mind) lied. So they have lost all credibility with me. Some people do have good results from using their stuff. But I won't buy anythng from a company that misleads and fudges their answer to a request from a customer with a severe allergy who NEEDS accurate and truthful and complete information. And had I believed their first answer ( I didn't because it didn't ring true--it sounded false), I could easily have been in for many more months of severe eczema, as it was a course of their Candida product which you are supposed to do before taking the Primal Defense did absolutely nothing for my candida, and I did follow directions to the letter. That product, also grown on seaweeds probably contributed a lot to months of pain and suffering for me. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSChicken Pox
In a message dated 8/20/04 2:21:15 AM EST, jandwti...@charter.net writes: My 14 month old DS just got over the chicken pox. What's a DS? And a DD? Glad you eradicated the chicken pox. MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnew bacteria
Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs, NSAIDs, like ibuprofen, and aspirin are supposed to be the culprits, making the body susceptible to bacteria that normally don't cause a problem. Necrotizing fasciitis is the term. They certainly have a bad effect on the gastrointestinal system - they killed my grandmother 20 years ago. She was prescribed them for her arthritis, but had a massive gut bleed and died eventually. It seems a shame to me that these drugs are so toxic, as their anti-inflammatory and painkilling effects are very useful. I have read about the effects of copper salicylate, which is supposed to actually heal the gut instead of damaging it, and is anti-inflammatory at lower doses, healing instead of suppressing the healing response, anti-cancer etc. In fact the damage caused by these drugs may be due to them leaching copper and iron out of the gut wall, causing bleeding and inflammation. Copper will form a similar compound with ibuprofen, so I have experimented in the past with taking ibuprofen with a swig of colloidal copper or with a chelated copper tablet. It does seem to increase its anti-inflammatory effects, and reduce the stomach inflammation. Of course many people will prefer to avoid these drugs altogether, but some with very painful conditions who have to take them might at least consider taking them with a chelated copper tablet. Or if you have a friend or relative who insists on taking them, you might be able to persuade them to take a copper tablet with them. The reaction with aspirin and salicylic acid takes place in the stomach if you take copper at the same time, so it should also work with ibuprofen and other NSAIDs. Anyone interested in the use of copper might start here http://www.copper.org/innovations/2000/06/medicine-chest.html . Paul H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
Re: CSH2o2 From: Marshall Dudley Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:43:56 Ode Coyote wrote: ## I've seen the peroxide clean off the oxide pretty fast. What I don't understand is why, if a black electrode is left in peroxide after being cleaned off, does it turn black again. Two possibilities I can think of. The silver oxide dissolves into H2O2, and thus the silver cleans up, until the peroxide saturates, then no more can dissolve, but it keeps forming on the silver. The silver oxide reduces to silver metal, but over time, the silver metal reacts with H2O2 to form silver peroxide which is insoluble.. This should be easy to eliminate one possibility. Do the experiment once, then take the silver with the black on it a second time, and put it in a fresh glass of H2O2. If it clears off again, the first possibility is supported, if it has no action, the second possibility is supported. Marshall This is fantastic! We are now back to forming a hypothesis, a simple experiment to test it, then the inevitable follow-on hypothesis. Don't forget, somewhere along the line we need to write the balanced equations that show where the charges come from and where they go. No theory is worth much without the balanced equations to support it. This is what we should be doing. It is only way we will learn about this wonderful gift from the Gods! Thanks, Marshall and Ken. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnew bacteria
You are quite right Dudley. We had a couple of cases in the hospital where I used to work - I am a biomedical scientist. It is the name given to the condition - a streptococcal infection of soft tissue that runs through the body seemingly unaffected by the immune system. Paul H - Original Message - From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:24 PM Subject: Re: CSnew bacteria I thought it was necrotizing fasciitis Is necrotizing fasciitis the name of the bacteria, or the medical term for the aliment? Marshall Wayne Fugitt wrote: Evening Marshall, At 02:09 PM 8/19/2004, you wrote: From what I understand all the flesh eating bacteria not only respond to CS I thought we all agreed there is no such thing as flesh eating bacteria. Maybe it was another list. Instead it is a flesh eating syndrome.The symptoms appear that something is eating the cells when if fact the body chemistry is in such a failing condition, the cells are simply dissolving. In addition, 5 out of 7 who die from this have been using OTC pain relievers, and likely other drugs that destroy life sustaining processes. Would you think that healthy people have the same response to whatever bacteria causes this? Last week a 70 year old female died from a bacteria infection that was never identified. About a year ago, a 70 year old male construction worked was killed within 24 hours by the flesh eating syndrome. I had known him for several years. He still worked every day. Not sure about his drug consumption. If there was in fact a flesh eating bacteria, a specific name and a picture would be available by now. Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Hi Mike, I disagree with this part of your calculation: Now, 1 ppm = 1 milliliter per litre There are 1000 milliliters to a litre, so 1mL/L is 1 part per thousand. I think you are thinking of CS, where 1mg per litre is ~1ppm. So 0.0369 milliliters = 0.0369 ppm, or ~40 parts per billion I make that 0.0369 parts per thousand, or ~40 ppm. Paul H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Mike Monett wrote: So the basic conclusions remain as before. The black stuff is oxide. Scrape off a small amount of the black stuff, and put it in a glass of distilled water and warm. If it dissolves slowly, it is silver oxide, if it does not then it is either silver peroxide, or finely divided silver powder. If it conducts electricity, it silver metal. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe:Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
If you have an ohmmeter, measure the resistance between the clean part of your rod and the black Silver Oxide. Silver oxide is a poor conductor and will even stop current flow in a batch if are checking with a milli-ammeter. Bill Amos -- I agree, silver oxide is a conductor. Most metallic oxides are poor conductors and I am surprised by this. I knew silver sulfide was a conductor, but not silver oxide. Thanks for the correction. Marshall Mike Monett wrote: Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS From: Marshall Dudley Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:51:18 Mike Monett wrote: So the basic conclusions remain as before. The black stuff is oxide. Scrape off a small amount of the black stuff, and put it in a glass of distilled water and warm. If it dissolves slowly, it is silver oxide, if it does not then it is either silver peroxide, or finely divided silver powder. If it conducts electricity, it silver metal. Marshall Silver oxide conducts almost as well as silver metal. Where do you think silver oxide batteries are used, besides hearing aids and your cpu clock? In high energy density applications where high discharge rate is essential. Witness the batteries used in subminiature electric helicopters. Silver oxide, almost exclusively. Mercury batteries are avaiable in the same size range, but won't put out the current. The soft black stuff on the electrodes is oxides or hydroxides. The gray sludge on the cathode is pure silver metal. Just add H2O2 and view the difference in reaction rate. I believe Ken just posted info on this, but I have to read his post carefully to be sure. The remaining problem in considering the black stuff to be silver metal is to give balanced equations showing how it is produced. You cannot do this at the anode, but it is easy to do with oxides at either electrode. Please see my previous posts for the equations. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS From: Paul Holloway Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:21:30 Hi Mike, I disagree with this part of your calculation: Now, 1 ppm = 1 milliliter per litre There are 1000 milliliters to a litre, so 1mL/L is 1 part per thousand. I think you are thinking of CS, where 1mg per litre is ~1ppm. Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. 1mg/litre = 1ppm exactly. This is a basic definition. So 0.0369 milliliters = 0.0369 ppm, or ~40 parts per billion I make that 0.0369 parts per thousand, or ~40 ppm. Paul H Hi Paul, You know what - you are right! 1 litre of dw weighs 1 kg, so 1 kg = 1000 gm = 1,000,000 mg, and 1 mg = 1 ppm by weight. However, 1 milliliter 1 mg. Instead, 1 milliliter = 1 gm. I was off by a thousand! I should have done that calculation in Mercury instead of in my head. Thank you very much for spotting that mistake - it was a doozie. That means there is more than enough H2O2 to handle 1 or 2 ppm of silver oxide, and it is no longer necessary for the H2O2 to act as a catalyst. But it still may do so. The equation remains balanced, and cs treated with H2O2 remains clear indefinitely. However, there is still a very pronounced difference in the reaction rates of H2O2 on oxide vs silver metal. With oxide, the H2O2 bubbles and fizzes vigorously. On silver metal, it just sits there and releases bubbles quite slowly. You have to look at it under a microscope to see the bubbles being formed. If some of the gray sludge from the cathode falls to the bottom and you don't decant it properly, the fragments will continue to bubble for a very long time - days or weeks. And you have to keep on adding H2O2, and it keeps on generating bubbles. So the basic conclusions remain as before. The black stuff is oxide. Thanks, Paul. I'm glad one of us is awake:) Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS From: Marshall Dudley Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:51:18 Mike Monett wrote: So the basic conclusions remain as before. The black stuff is oxide. Scrape off a small amount of the black stuff, and put it in a glass of distilled water and warm. If it dissolves slowly, it is silver oxide, if it does not then it is either silver peroxide, or finely divided silver powder. If it conducts electricity, it silver metal. Marshall Silver oxide conducts almost as well as silver metal. Where do you think silver oxide batteries are used, besides hearing aids and your cpu clock? In high energy density applications where high discharge rate is essential. Witness the batteries used in subminiature electric helicopters. Silver oxide, almost exclusively. Mercury batteries are avaiable in the same size range, but won't put out the current. The soft black stuff on the electrodes is oxides or hydroxides. The gray sludge on the cathode is pure silver metal. Just add H2O2 and view the difference in reaction rate. I believe Ken just posted info on this, but I have to read his post carefully to be sure. The remaining problem in considering the black stuff to be silver metal is to give balanced equations showing how it is produced. You cannot do this at the anode, but it is easy to do with oxides at either electrode. Please see my previous posts for the equations. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS From: Mike Monett Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:10:40 Some quickie notes on silver oxide batteries. They are ideal for watch batteries and high drain applications. For example: Energizer High Drain Silver Oxide Specs Chemistry : Silver Oxide Dimensions : 11.6 X 5.4 Volts : 1.55 mAh: 165 http://www.batterymart.com/battery.mv?p=EVR-357 The construction is silver-oxide as cathode, zinc as anode, and sodium hydride or potassium hydroxide solution as the electrolyte: http://www.sii.co.jp/info/eg/mbattery_sub01.html However, I was wrong on using silver oxide batteries for submini helicopters. They have gone to lithium polymer (LiPo): http://www.epson.co.jp/e/newsroom/news_2004_08_18.htm and http://pixelito.reference.be/ Darned subminiature helicopter technology keeps moving:) Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMold, Chlorine Bleach and Vellux Blankets
Re: CSMold, Chlorine Bleach and Vellux Blankets From: Paul Holloway Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:56:33 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72730.html Hi Mike, A friend recommended this stuff http://www.siberianlichen.com/ for getting rid of mold. I haven't tried it, but it may be helpful to you. Paul H Hi Paul, Thank you very much. This looks interesting and worth studying in detail. It is not expensive and may actually do what they claim. More important is the source of the information. To be honest, I was extremely impressed with your correcting my error on H2O2 concentration - not ppb, s/b ppm. That takes sharp eyes and good focus, which are extremely rare these days. I would like to study your previous posts in the archives and learn more about you. Dan Nave recently commented my battle will not be won the way I am going, and I will have to change the terrain. And it's funny how things work. After a recent discussion with Marshall on the intelligence of plants, I now find myself with a huge philodendron named Herbie who is actually climbing out of his box looking for whatever philodendron's look for. The reason this happened is I remarked how my headache seemed to disappear when I was in an office where a small philodendron was growing on a shelf. One thing led to another, and suddenly I received this enormous gift in a large cardboard box. After a couple of hours, I am astonished at how he is trying to get out of the box! I went outside and found a strong tree branch for him to climb on and will put Herbie in the corner beside the computer where I can keep an eye on him and chat if he feels like talking. But I have to be honest. My headache is very much reduced. Strange. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Perhaps the contaminants from production stabilize it? I would give the link if I could find it again, but I saw an analysis/comparison of 3% grocery store peroxide to 35% food grade and the total amount of extraneous stuff in the food grade was about the samedifferent chemicals/metals or whatever it was, but still, overall virtually the same amount of contamination. 35% peroxide does go through equipment, pipes, etc, and oxidizes out a lot of stuff into itself along the way. Does anybody have such an analysis showing what is really in food grade H202? Is the common everyday 3% peroxide sold diluted down sol Paul Holloway wrote: You're welcome Mike. I wonder about the stability of hydrogen peroxide. I have some food grade 35% H2O2 that I have had for about two years. It has no preservatives in it, but it is still good. I made up some 3% from it yesterday, and used some in my ear, and it fizzed up like crazy. It has been sitting in the bathroom at room temperature, not frozen as is recommended, so perhaps peroxide is more stable than is generally thought. In which case, why do they feel the need to put phenacetin in it at all? Or is it less stable at 3%? Paul H -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
I agree, silver oxide is a conductor. Most metallic oxides are poor conductors and I am surprised by this. I knew silver sulfide was a conductor, but not silver oxide. Thanks for the correction. Marshall Mike Monett wrote: Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS From: Marshall Dudley Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:51:18 Mike Monett wrote: So the basic conclusions remain as before. The black stuff is oxide. Scrape off a small amount of the black stuff, and put it in a glass of distilled water and warm. If it dissolves slowly, it is silver oxide, if it does not then it is either silver peroxide, or finely divided silver powder. If it conducts electricity, it silver metal. Marshall Silver oxide conducts almost as well as silver metal. Where do you think silver oxide batteries are used, besides hearing aids and your cpu clock? In high energy density applications where high discharge rate is essential. Witness the batteries used in subminiature electric helicopters. Silver oxide, almost exclusively. Mercury batteries are avaiable in the same size range, but won't put out the current. The soft black stuff on the electrodes is oxides or hydroxides. The gray sludge on the cathode is pure silver metal. Just add H2O2 and view the difference in reaction rate. I believe Ken just posted info on this, but I have to read his post carefully to be sure. The remaining problem in considering the black stuff to be silver metal is to give balanced equations showing how it is produced. You cannot do this at the anode, but it is easy to do with oxides at either electrode. Please see my previous posts for the equations. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSWatch Battery Use
Evening Mike, Paul, and all the chemists, Few people know all the uses for these tiny watch batteries. I understand these batteries are used to commit suicide in primitive countries. All they do is to swallow the battery. NO one would be that economically minded in the USA. What is the chemistry effect that causes a small watch battery to cause death. Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS From: sol Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:18:03 Perhaps the contaminants from production stabilize it? I would give the link if I could find it again, but I saw an analysis/comparison of 3% grocery store peroxide to 35% food grade and the total amount of extraneous stuff in the food grade was about the samedifferent chemicals/metals or whatever it was, but still, overall virtually the same amount of contamination. 35% peroxide does go through equipment, pipes, etc, and oxidizes out a lot of stuff into itself along the way. Does anybody have such an analysis showing what is really in food grade H202? Is the common everyday 3% peroxide sold diluted down sol Golly, Sol, you ask so many questions in such a hurry:) The stabilizers depend on the concentration and the intended application. Here is the MSDS for 3%, where phenacetin is the stabilizer as Paul recently pointed out: http://www.uiowa.edu/~chemsafe/MSDS/HydrogenPeroxide.htm When you move to industrial applications such as high performance rockets or cosmetics, the stabilizers change considerably. Please see 4. What are H2O2 stabilizers and will they affect my application? http://www.h2o2.com/intro/faq.html Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWatch Battery Use
CSWatch Battery Use From: Wayne Fugitt Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:28:38 Evening Mike, Paul, and all the chemists, Few people know all the uses for these tiny watch batteries. I understand these batteries are used to commit suicide in primitive countries. All they do is to swallow the battery. NO one would be that economically minded in the USA. What is the chemistry effect that causes a small watch battery to cause death. Wayne Evening Wayne, It's obvious. User removes battery from watch and swallows it. Fails to notice the 5-o-clock express is on time and gets squished. Elementary, Sherlock:) Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWatch Battery Use
on 21/8/2004 12:44 PM, Mike Monett at 5ay1wk...@sneakemail.com wrote: CSWatch Battery Use From: Wayne Fugitt Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 17:28:38 Evening Mike, Paul, and all the chemists, Few people know all the uses for these tiny watch batteries. I understand these batteries are used to commit suicide in primitive countries. All they do is to swallow the battery. NO one would be that economically minded in the USA. What is the chemistry effect that causes a small watch battery to cause death. Wayne Evening Wayne, It's obvious. User removes battery from watch and swallows it. Fails to notice the 5-o-clock express is on time and gets squished. Elementary, Sherlock:) Best Wishes, Mike Monett Mike, I thought you had to swallow the whole watch then the crocodile comes and gets you? Cheers, Roger http://lbarker.orcon.net.nz/index1.html
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
OK, I just ran a test. I started with 5 ppm EIS, approximately 80% ionic. I put equal amounts into to containers, and added a few drops of H2O2 to one of them. I could see no difference between, they were both crystal clear. I then added a pinch of salt to both. The one without H2O2 immediately formed AgCl and turned milky. The one that had had H2O2 added to it stayed crystal clear. I can think of only 2 possibilities for this: 1. Silver ions were reduced to a colloid of silver atoms. 2. Silver ions became silver oxide, and it dissolved. But the second one would only be possible if silver oxide when mixed with NaCl does not become silver chloride. I think that mixing silver oxide dissolved in water with NaCl will become silver chloride, but I am not sure. Any chemists here that know the answer to that one? If the second one is disproved, than it appears that H2O2 will reduce silver ions to silver atoms. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
Wayne, I believe I came to that conclusion after discussing it with some of the members of this list. I l look at the microscopic picture that I have before and after adding the H2o2, and I see such a world of difference in the particle size that I feel it is probably jsut about right. I'm afraid I cannot answer the question if more would be better. It is not always the case. It is very possible because I have had occasion when I added the H2o2 and my CS turned very dark as has been reported by some of the other readers. I do know that this means the particle sizes where extra large for some reason. If I let it sit over night, it did ligten up, or if I added another drop of H2o2 per 2 oz, it also lightened up, so I would have toassume it kept working. I just do not know how or why Nancy - Original Message - From: Wayne Fugitt wfug...@direcway.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:11 PM Subject: Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS Evening Nancy, Since we are talking just 1 drop for every two oz. of CS, the 3% topical you buy works just fine. I am not questioning your methods and the fact that they work. Where did you come up with that ratio? That is about a 1 to 1200 ratio. As to the percentage solution, The decimal ratio is .00083 or converted to percent, it would be .083 percent. And that is a 3 per cent solution that is slightly less than one tenth of one percent. Like you, I can't spell Chemist, so maybe I miscalculated. What does that small percent actually do? Are you sure that more would not be better? Wayne --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.740 / Virus Database: 494 - Release Date: 8/16/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLed array from V
Sure hope the site is not down. We got our 2 part array ( 660 and 880) about a week ago. My husband is using is for arthritis pain. It has been wonderful for him. In less than a week of using it about 30 min. per day on each elbow and the nape of the neck, he is now pain free for about 24 hours at a time. Then he uses it again. The time between uses continues to increase. I warned him that if he has cancer in those areas, he should not use it, but he was so desperate that he didn't even consider not using it. Originally, I got it for myself in case cancer pain got really bad. But he insisted. I would make the same decision I think. After all, that's why I got it. And he was suffering severely. So that's our story. Really remarkable the difference it has made for him. Happiness can sure be the lack of pain. pj He is using the 880 nm part. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers!
Re: CSAdding peroxide to CS
OK, I have confirmed that converting silver chloride to silver oxide is exothermic, which means that the silver oxide is more stable. Thus possibility 2 of the previous message is not eliminated as I had hoped it would be. See http://www.finishing.com/195/29.html This article also gives some extremely interesting information. Dextrose will reduce silver oxide to silver metal! Honey is about 50% dextrose (aka glucose), so that may be why some people feel that adding a drop of honey when making CS is a good idea, it converts any silver oxide formed to silver particles. So, according to this, one should be able to convert all the silver ions in EIS to silver atoms and silver particles by adding H2O2, and if that gives AgO, adding a little glucose, or honey. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMold, Chlorine Bleach and Vellux Blankets
Plants are great detoxifiers for indoor air. Philodendrens are one I kept for that reason. BUT in Seattle at least having house plants was also a source of mold since you keep the soil moist almost constantly, well some of us who dote on our plants do. So something to think about in your process of getting rid of mold sources, probably very hard to do in any humid climate. I know mold levels have been off the charts this year with all the wet weather in Central Texas. I ran across a list of plants and what they detoxify best years ago. Maybe a Google search would turn something up. Garnet On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 18:14, Mike Monett wrote: Re: CSMold, Chlorine Bleach and Vellux Blankets From: Paul Holloway Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:56:33 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72730.html Hi Mike, A friend recommended this stuff http://www.siberianlichen.com/ for getting rid of mold. I haven't tried it, but it may be helpful to you. Paul H Hi Paul, Thank you very much. This looks interesting and worth studying in detail. It is not expensive and may actually do what they claim. More important is the source of the information. To be honest, I was extremely impressed with your correcting my error on H2O2 concentration - not ppb, s/b ppm. That takes sharp eyes and good focus, which are extremely rare these days. I would like to study your previous posts in the archives and learn more about you. Dan Nave recently commented my battle will not be won the way I am going, and I will have to change the terrain. And it's funny how things work. After a recent discussion with Marshall on the intelligence of plants, I now find myself with a huge philodendron named Herbie who is actually climbing out of his box looking for whatever philodendron's look for. The reason this happened is I remarked how my headache seemed to disappear when I was in an office where a small philodendron was growing on a shelf. One thing led to another, and suddenly I received this enormous gift in a large cardboard box. After a couple of hours, I am astonished at how he is trying to get out of the box! I went outside and found a strong tree branch for him to climb on and will put Herbie in the corner beside the computer where I can keep an eye on him and chat if he feels like talking. But I have to be honest. My headache is very much reduced. Strange. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMold, Chlorine Bleach and Vellux Blankets
Another thought . . . spraying CS on the surface of the plant's soil might help prevent mold building up. I watered my Corn Plant (dracena masageana) with CS last year and it grew tremendously during the winter, which is normally a very slow to no growth period particularly for a slow growing low light plant like this. Someone brought up the fact that CS might kill of the beneficial soil organisms, but the plant is in a pot, the dirt, unless constantly refreshed is likely pretty dead. I fertilize regularly so it is basically a hydroponic set up. I saw no ill effects on the plant, only fantastic growth, from several months of watering with 10 ppm CS. I gave it all my yellow batches when I was working out the bugs. Garnet On Fri, 2004-08-20 at 18:14, Mike Monett wrote: Re: CSMold, Chlorine Bleach and Vellux Blankets From: Paul Holloway Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:56:33 http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m72730.html Hi Mike, A friend recommended this stuff http://www.siberianlichen.com/ for getting rid of mold. I haven't tried it, but it may be helpful to you. Paul H Hi Paul, Thank you very much. This looks interesting and worth studying in detail. It is not expensive and may actually do what they claim. More important is the source of the information. To be honest, I was extremely impressed with your correcting my error on H2O2 concentration - not ppb, s/b ppm. That takes sharp eyes and good focus, which are extremely rare these days. I would like to study your previous posts in the archives and learn more about you. Dan Nave recently commented my battle will not be won the way I am going, and I will have to change the terrain. And it's funny how things work. After a recent discussion with Marshall on the intelligence of plants, I now find myself with a huge philodendron named Herbie who is actually climbing out of his box looking for whatever philodendron's look for. The reason this happened is I remarked how my headache seemed to disappear when I was in an office where a small philodendron was growing on a shelf. One thing led to another, and suddenly I received this enormous gift in a large cardboard box. After a couple of hours, I am astonished at how he is trying to get out of the box! I went outside and found a strong tree branch for him to climb on and will put Herbie in the corner beside the computer where I can keep an eye on him and chat if he feels like talking. But I have to be honest. My headache is very much reduced. Strange. Best Wishes, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnew bacteria
At 12:53 AM 21/08/04, you wrote: It is easy to understand. A cured patient is a lost patient. You were making them lose money! Marshall A! So THAT's why they don't want to cure Cancer an' things and get so violent! I wondered about that. Cheers! Himagain Remember this; it is better always to remove yourself than fight a powerful enemy, he might get lucky, who knows? My old Sifu ( Martial Arts Teacher) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnew bacteria
You smart people telling us folks that don't know anything something? I don't think so we have known it a long time. glad you found out the truth at last, Docs kill not cure. Yours Hank hdka.com - Original Message - From: j rigby jrig...@fablor.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: Re: CSnew bacteria At 12:53 AM 21/08/04, you wrote: It is easy to understand. A cured patient is a lost patient. You were making them lose money! Marshall A! So THAT's why they don't want to cure Cancer an' things and get so violent! I wondered about that. Cheers! Himagain Remember this; it is better always to remove yourself than fight a powerful enemy, he might get lucky, who knows? My old Sifu ( Martial Arts Teacher) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
At 02:22 AM 21/08/04, Marshall wrote: Two possibilities I can think of. Hey! you trying to put experts outta bizness with this simple stuff? What if everyone started thinking like this it ain't healthy to think too much. :-) Him -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
At 04:09 AM 21/08/04, you wrote: This is what we should be doing. It is only way we will learn about this wonderful gift from the Gods! Thanks, Marshall and Ken. Best Wishes, Mike Monett Like I said! See, it's happenin' awready. Next thing they'll be questionin' everythin' and what happens when the peasants find out the truth, hey? Don't encourage this sort of thing, our whole society could be busted! Himagain Even *I* understood Marshall's idea! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Re: CSChicken Pox
DS is dear son and DD is dear daughter. I don't know if it's erradicated, lol, I guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks. The only way we can figure my DS got it was from my sister-in-law who was in Spain and came across an infected child at a pool. I'm not sure about the incubation periods. Thank you for your good wishes. I never thought it would be so easy! I wish my mom had known about it when I had it, she would have used it. From: marmar...@aol.com Date: 2004/08/20 Fri PM 05:13:48 GMT To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSChicken Pox In a message dated 8/20/04 2:21:15 AM EST, jandwti...@charter.net writes: My 14 month old DS just got over the chicken pox. What's a DS? And a DD? Glad you eradicated the chicken pox. MA -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWatch Battery Use
At 10:44 AM 21/08/04, you wrote: vening Wayne, It's obvious. User removes battery from watch and swallows it. Fails to notice the 5-o-clock express is on time and gets squished. Elementary, Sherlock:) Best Wishes, Mike Monett Sorry mike, you fell for the obvious error here - in what primitive country would the five o'clock express ever be on time? True answer, my dear Watson: Enraged owner of watch kills the idiot for swallowing his battery. ( In primitive countries like the fabled Oz the replacement battery fitted costs the same as a new watch) Elementary. Cheers, Himagain -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSSubject: Re: CSSubject: CSinjury and pain: suggested solutions
At 04:15 PM 8/20/2004, you wrote: on the rife group it was reported it has a probiotic form that is pleomorfic and can lead to cancer. roger Elaborate, please?? Thank you. Marlys -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
